Splinter Cell: The PS2 Versions
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I've substantially covered Splinter Cell in all it's forms, but I've never tried out the series on PS2 before. Let's see how those are.
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Time stamps:
0:00 - Intro
3:46 - Splinter Cell
11:18 - Pandora Tomorrow
16:16 - Chaos Theory
20:04 - Double Agent V2
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With the PS2 games in my rear view, I think I can safely say that there isn't anything else Splinter Cell related left to cover for the time being. Let's pray that VR thing turns out well!
Time stamps:
0:00 - Intro
3:46 - Splinter Cell
11:18 - Pandora Tomorrow
16:16 - Chaos Theory
20:04 - Double Agent V2
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I laughed at 7:49. I remembered that code 33575 because that guy you integrate had the wall mines next to him. That and Wilkes dies.
so in conclusion play all sc games on pc, and replay double agent on 360 is that it?
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I just bought chaos theory because of your inspiration and IT IS AMAZING
I won’t stop till you do it “Every Metal Gear Solid Game”
Good luck
People have been asking him on stream so much
@@rabidredpanda2888 I’m well aware this is my contribution to annoy him into doing it
That's too much work for an already talked series
I promise I’ll get to it in my lifetime
They do everything with Splinter Cell: except a new Splinter Cell 🙄
"Hey you want a Sam Fisher cameo? How about a mobile game cameo? No, wait. I know what you want: a VR tech demo game, huh?"
-Braindead Ubisoft Management
@@habadasheryjones wowow,calm down dont shame braindead people even they are better than goobisoft
@@filipe_5hdxd372 It's true. Braindead people aren't known for diddling their employees.
@@habadasheryjones The VR idea is genuinely cool though
I don't really blame Ubi too much. The last 3 SC games sold way below expectations. And in this new gen, unless your name is Naughty Dog, your linear titles aren't guaranteed to sell half as well as the open world and multiplayer titles around you (Amy Henning even said that in order to get Uncharted 2 and 3 greenlit, they had to include Multiplayer. It's very difficult for any publisher to now greenlit a linear game that's less than 15 hours with no multiplayer). And given the rising standards of gamers, you can't just make a budget main game, it would have to be substantial which wouldn't be worthwhile to Ubi given the historically low sales and how it will pull resources of titles that are guaranteed to sell and would benefit more from the resources.
So no wonder Sam is now limited to Mobile games and Cameos. Those are probably the only way he can be included and still make relative bank. The VR title might be able to make a splash given the different expectations though and I hope that encourages more stock in SC.
They were some of my favorite games on PS2 and seeing how gorgeous and seamless Chaos Theory was on my friend's Xbox destroyed my entire worldview
It’s still gorgeous!! I’m playing it on 360 and it gives me a chronicles of riddick vibe. That game definitely used some form of normal mapping cause the graphics are way too good and they look even better now that I edited and enhanced them
That sponsor was so smooth I just had to watch it from beginning to end
Well yes but actually no?
Sounds like a total waste of time.
I have been waiting almost 17 years for that guy to finish his orange juice. He still hasn't finished it. I don't know how Pandora Tomorrow ends because my common courtesy got the better of me.
"Let me just finish my orange juice!"
I remember that line just not which mission or npc.
Conspiracy theory: the orange juice guy is the guy that will "kill" Sam's daughter, the orange juice had a tiny robot that controlled the guy and made him "kill" Sara
I find it much stranger that a guy in Jerusalem sounds like a guy from LA
It must really suck to be a Splinter Cell fan nowadays.
It died with MGS and it's fine by me. THose legends should end on a good note.
At this point I don’t really see the point of another Splinter Cell. It would be quite sad to see a senior citizen sneaking into hostile territory to prevent WW3. Perhaps the best way for a potential sequel is to play as someone else while Fisher takes Lambert’s role. Perhaps as a tribute to its past, do a flashback mission or two as Sam.
lmao. then you don't know the pain of Metal Gear and Thief fans
@@jdawg8487 Man. Just make him team leader and recast Briggs with the voice actor of Locke from Halo 5 as the playable character and you got yourself a new Splinter cell game.
@@v-trigger6137 At least, Thief fans took the matter at their own hands, and kept making awesome fan missions to this day. Also some of them made The Dark Mod
Sadly, SC and MGS never provided mission editors. Which is a real tragedy
My god that transition to the sponsor was legendary.
that version of lying for money was legendary
As someone who played all versions, I was confused for a moment about this item I simply couldn't remember in Sam's inventory. Legendary indeed very well done!
*chief's kiss
@@PlastiGomi love it or hate it guys gotta pay the bills somehow
@@savage4749 get a job
Spy Vs merc back on Xbox were the golden days. I got to level 9 and was the shit !
I remember trying to sell my friends on Splinter Cell and bought up the OXM review of the game. They gave Halo 2 a 9.7 and Chaos Theory a 9.9.
You can still play it via mods.
@@littlebadassgaming Do you need mods?Can’t you just XLink Kai.
Awesome video!
Being one of the "underpriviliged" PS2 users back then it was absolutely mindblowing when I found out about the XBOX or PC versions of this game.
But still, I fell in love with this game and playing Chaos Theory on PS2 were one of the best gaming times in my life.
Compared to the PC version of Double Agent, I actually enjoyed the PS2 version more, because to me it felt more like a successor to Chaos Theory and I really enjoyed that game, despite its restricted possibilities.
Thank you so much for still bringing some content from Splinter Cell despite Ubisoft letting us down every year.
Ubisoft sucks with making console ports tbh ecpecially PS there are ps2 exclusives like mgs3 and 4 onimusha dawn of dreams that look insanely good so I don’t know why they made ps2 look bad wich sure it’s not as good as Xbox but people underestimate ps2 and splinter cell 2 was the one I grew up with on ps2 and is probably the best splinter cell ps2 port
@@armorwolf7934 you could have ended your comment at Ubisoft sucks
@@armorwolf7934 Nobody underestimates the PS2. It was an underpowered console when compared to the Xbox. It couldn't handle the games like the other could. Sacrifices had to be made.
@@armorwolf7934 There's a huge difference between the Xbox and PS2's capabilities and it's also worth mentioning that the PS2 was difficult to develop for(which was one of the reasons the Xbox was created in the first place).
I also started with Chaos Theory on PS2, although I never completed it since little me couldn't handle high tension games.
Planning to try this Pandora Tomorrow with fixes on PC the video mentioned.
There was actually a weird idea for the PS2/Gamecube Version's of Ghost Recon 2 (Set during the Korean War in Chaos Theory) that certain levels would actually be played Solo as Sam Fisher but those were cut.
As for the New PS2 level, that's actually a cut beta level, the dialogue was reflecting how there was ment to be a whole bunch of levels escaping after the power-plant that also got cut. (Like the streets of a Russian town.)
That would be awesome !
In ghost recon Wildlands and breakpoint you can customize your character and equipment to be able to play as sam Fisher....
I remember being like 7 and looking up guides whenever I got stuck for a week. I played the PS2 levels and thought they looked different on the guides; I finally know why.
Focusing on the Nuclear Power Plant level, you should look into the plethora of content that was cut from every port of Splinter Cell 1, namely the 3 other Russia missions that would've coincided with the Power Plant level. It's a rabbit hole that deserves its own video, frankly.
The general premise is that Sam would've traced a makeshift, clandestine microwave relay across the Kola Peninsula, operated by Georgian mercenaries, and later Russian soldiers.
After Kalinatek, the encryption key would've led you to a level called Shipyard, which ended up being split into Vselka Infiltration and Vselka. The plot is very much intact in those DLC levels, save for obvious references to its original place in the main plot. For instance, when you tap into the submarine, Grim says: "Looks like a video signal. Yeah, there". That video signal was supposed to allude to captured soldiers you'd end up saving in Abattoir.
From Shipyard, you'd trace the relay to Nuclear Power Plant, which is essentially entirely preserved in this PS2 version.
After Nuclear Power Plant, you would've gone to a level called Mining Town, which was entirely scrapped in all versions of the game, and likely fairly early on in development (I'm talking pre-beta). In this level, you would've been searching a small town for a mystery antenna which Grim says should be MASSIVE in size due to its range, despite no obvious antenna being around. You'd end up discovering that the town's mine holds the secret to the antenna, as all the lengthy tunnels of the mine are lined with the antenna itself. On the other side of this transmitting antenna, you'd find Philip Masse's signature. It would lead you to an abandoned nickel smelting plant called Severonickel.
Severonickel ended up becoming Kola Cell for PC/Xbox, though this add-on level is _insanely_ condensed from its original form. We know this based on the loads of Severonickel media that are still out there, as the entire second half of this level was showcased at E3 2002. Long story short, this level would've seen Sam kill Philip Masse while sampling his code. Also, Colonel Alekseevich would've been a Kong Feirong-like antagonist in this level, with him eventually killing himself at the very end, when Sam corners him. Wilkes would've been shot at the end of this level, in a firefight much like the one in Kalinatek. This is why Kalinatek's outro cutscene says "Russian airspace".
There are many screenshots and short video clips from these levels, as they were amply shown off in marketing material prior to the game's release. There are also many traces of them in the game files, like textures, static meshes, and the entirety of their dialogue on the Xbox port. I've been trying to piece it all together for years.
Great overview you´ve got there! Would love to eventually read all of it in full detail. It´s a shame these levels were never realized as originally intended. Maybe they would´ve slowed down the pace of the campaign (or maybe not, depending on the level design), but it still hurts encountering all that info in post-Kalinatek missions refering to the Kola cell being hit, Masse being dead, Russian/FSB involvement with Nikoladze, and generally that obvious lack of ´something´ linking Kalinatek and Myanmar properly. Not to mention that cutscene which has Wilkes dying in Russian airspace after being shot in Virginia (one of the biggest WTFs I´ve ever experienced when first playing the game). Heck, if they´d at least release the NPP level for PC, I´d be happy enough...
That's why Fisher says in SCCT that he killed Masse near Severomorsk... Because there's no mention of Severomorsk in Kola Cell.
I hope you'll end up finishing piecing it all and make it available
It would also explain why there's cut interrogation dialogue from Sam that went "Why is the Russian Military here?"
@@Rimland23 The levels were cut because the development of the game suffered from difficulties, poor morale and fell behind schedule. Primarily due to infighting among the developers regarding creative differences. One half of the team felt the game would be better with a more open-world level design and experience. While the other half felt the game would be better with a more linear level design and experience. In the end, the pursuit of a primarily linear level design won out, at the loss of 4 levels.
The 4 levels cut from the game. Where the very first levels to be developed and took place in the middle of the game's story, between the Kalinatek mission in Virginia USA and the first mission at the Chinese Embassy in Myanmar.
The 4 cut levels all took place in Russia and in story order were Shipyard, Powerplant, Mining Town and Severonickel.
They were designed as open-world type levels with much more level path choices and options made available to the player. However, the open-world design proved to be problematic. It was found that it made the levels too long, confusing and boring, with too many gaps in character dialogue and action during the levels.
Shipyard and Mining Town were found to be especially bad in that regard. There was plenty of dialogue and action in the first half of those levels, but virtually no dialogue or action in their second halves. It wasn't possible to re-engineer those 2 levels and make them satisfactory within the development time available, so they were immediately scrapped.
The developers began re-engineering Powerplant and Severonickel, to make them more linear and shorter. The levels in the first opening third of the game's story were also being worked on at the same time and were too also undergoing changes to make them more linear.
The game's development began to fall significantly behind schedule and the developers were overworked. Such that the decision was made to cut 2 more levels from the game. The choices to cut were Powerplant and either Oil Rig or Severonickel. Ultimately Severonickel was also cut from the game along with Powerplant.
Severonickel was chosen to be cut instead of Oil Rig, because it was determined that cutting Severonickel did less damage via omission to the game's overall narrative than cutting Oil Rig would have done, and also because most of the developers liked Oil Rig better than Severonickel.
This meant that all the 4 levels that took place in Russia were cut and resulted in a change in the story, whereby Wilkes was killed at the end of the Kalinatek mission rather than at the end of the Severonickel mission as he was originally supposed to be. Hence why when Wilkes finally dies onboard the osprey helicopter it says the helicopter is flying in Russian airspace on its way to Myanmar, despite the fact that in the gameplay Wilkes had only just been shot at the end off the Kalinatek mission in Virginia USA.
A re-engineered version of the Shipyard level later became the second and third levels (Vselka Infiltration and Vselka Submarine) of the additional Kola Cell DLC mission pack released later for the X-Box and PC versions of Splinter Cell. A small sized re-engineer of the Severonickel level became the first level (Kola Cell) of the Kola Cell DLC mission pack. A re-engineered version of the Powerplant level was bodge jobbed into the PS2 version of the game, as explained in the video.
Another thing that can be pulled from the Powerplant → Wilkes death cinematic is that 3E radio chatter says the Osprey can't land nearby due to the Russian army presence at the plant. This is why Sam stows away on the Nuclear waste trains (the same trains providing General Kong Fei Rong with nuclear materiel, if I recall correctly) to get 35km away, so that Wilkes and company can safely bring the Osprey down to extract Sam. But, as cazzhmir clarifies above, the setting for this cinematic ends up with Russian military being present at the LZ and killing Wilkes anyway, that way the normal SC1 PC/XB timeline can be picked up again, with Wilkes being dead by the time you start the mission after the Powerplant.
Huh, this might explain something for me.
I remember playing the first four Splinter Cell games on PS2 and considering Double Agent the best one when everyone else seemed to think it was the worst.
After watching this I'm now thinking the reason I liked it more than most is because the PS2 version actually held up.
Correct. On the 360 (and PC?), Double Agent was very disappointing. The HQ missions were terrible. I have no idea why it still reviewed well, didn't deserve it at all.
@@mynthon0 both versions have their pros and cons and overall are about equally meh. The undercover missions on PS2 were some of the worst and most nonsensical levels in the franchise (Freely knockout and interrogate everyone?!). On PC/360 they are, at least, unique and some of the most nailbiting in the franchise, as Craig mentioned in his review. Many of the missions on PS2 look very bland and repetitive, while PC's at least look varied. On the other hand, the lack of a HUD on PC/360 is complete bullshit, and the game is flat-out unplayable without heavy tweaking. The plot sucks regardless of version.
Some months ago I bought Double Agent for PC. I was so excited to play it again, then I realized it had nothing to do with the PS2 version I loved as a child. I really tried to like it, played some missions but it was just bad. Guess I’ll need to get my hands on a PS2 if I want to experience it again since my pc isn’t powerful enough to us an emulator unfortunately. (Yeah I know, my computer is a toaster).
EDIT:
By the way, who thought it was a good idea to replace to visibility meter with that stupid dumb light, no one ever heard of colorblindness?
@@RVered Don't forget that Double Agent was also available for PlayStation 3, Xbox, Wii & GameCube
@@RVered There's a better version on the Xbox & it's backwards compatible on all modern Xbox systems.
Something I noticed the PS2 version of Chaos Theory that wasn't in the Xbox or PC version that wasn't mentioned here was interactive water and the ability to hide in the water and drown enemies in it.
Yep, the water was way better. In fact only now I realise that the pools next to patrolling guards in Hokkaido aren’t even in the Xbox/PC version. Can you still pull the guards into the pools in the bathouse though?
@@mcgherkinstudios That's actually a good question, i don't remember. I dont believe so.
they implemented that back in double agent v2 for all consoles. Though if we extract that action script from ps2 and adapt it to the xbox version that might work again in some places
He was too busy complaining, the ps2 and GC were weaker hardware but they did offer a good experience with some improvements, many of which he didn't mention.
@@mcgherkinstudios No. There is no water Vs Ai interactivity in CT on xbox or pc. Even if they were limited by spec in regards to visuals, it was stupid (as a fan), but smart (as a publisher) to fragment the games features across multiple platforms. The first instance of New Game +
I think they did the same thing with Double Agent og X and 360 with hiding in the snow.
I remember playing the PS2 version of this game at a friend of mines house during a sleep-over, and that CIA part messed me up, I remember my friends not believing me when I told him that mission was missing a segment.
The day splinter cell makes an appearance in Assassin's creed is the day I lose all faith in a new splinter cell game.
Assassins Creed Odyssey had Sam's goggles located on a shelf at the very start. Not quite a literal appearance, but close enough.
@@Operative15 IM GONNA BOOT UP ASSASINS CREED NOW
The past 3 SCs sold way below Ubi's expectations. They're not going to make a new SC now
@@FraserSouris didn't they turn down the stealth gameplay and turned it into a generic TPS. Splinter Cell Conviction was pretty much an Uncharted-clone with shadows. Instead of continuing the niche title, which already had a strong fanbase, it turned them off in a way of "catering to new fans". Same thing happened with Hitman Absolution but now the Hitman series is back on track because IO interactive knew their shit.
@@hiranmaydas4921 Both Double Agent and Blacklist, which were much closer to that original stealth approach, sold way below expectations. SC didn't get that Hitman 2016 style resurgence in 2013.
I fell immediately in love with the first episode and since the Gamecube was the only console I had at that time, I played the 3 games on that platform.
Then, a couple of years after, I bought an old Xbox with the first Splinter Cell and, I was blown away cause of the différences. So I had to get the 2 others and it was... WOW. Especially Chaos Theory.
The physics, the level design, the details, the higher resolution, the frame rate also. Everything felt almost new and better in every way.
Even though I miss the series, I'm glad to be an old gamer (who can still enjoy retro games) and that I discovered it back then. Because as much as I love the games, the first two entries did not aged "that well" and can be very frustrating today. I bet that most of the players who have grown with newer consoles can't even play those old games. (I don't know if you get my point. It's a bit hard for me to explain clearly with my limited English :) )
All that to say, my gamer life would have been different without Splinter Cell ^^ (and sooo many other series lol).
(Sorry if I made any mistakes. I'm a French passionate gamer who's still learning English :D.)
Definitely play Double Agent on XBOX if you wanted more of Chaos Theory - that version is much different than the 360 one. (more in line with Chaos Theory).
PC is definitely the best way to replay the original Splinter Cell though - runs very well, and has better save functions:
www.gog.com/game/splinter_cell
@@AssaulteedOne Oh. I did play the V2 Xbox version of Double Agent :). I had to wait the release on Xbox one because the game was running terribly on 360 BC. Even if I like Double Agent V1, the V2 version was more in line with what we used to in the series.
Some bugs and not as good as CT (even visually) but, I liked it a lot ^^.
I wanted to replay the 3 first games after that. So I took my old PC collection and used the widescreen hack (and DGVoodoo) to repair the game effects (I could not play without the dynamic shadows XD).
Also, it was a pain to have the games working with a gamepad, but it was worth it :).
I can now play the games in portable, thanks to GPD. A dream came true for me :D.
I'm 13 and my brother played the first trilogy and said it was amazing, so i did play it too, the first game was frustrating but enjoyable but the second and the rhird were very good, i prefer blacklist because i prefer having more personalization and replayability, but the first three games are still very cool
Your english was perfect lol.
I had the best gaming memories of my life playing Chaos Theory on PS2.
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@@xxxxxNormanSothxxxxx Does it work with PS3 backwards compatibility?
(Both hardware and software, as in PS3 Fat using the Hardware, and every other PS3 model using software emulation)
@@mark030a ps2 emulation on ps3 i am not 100% sure on. i would imagine it's doable, but we haven't had anyone play with us that way. people have used fat ps3's that are compatible with ps2 discs though, as well as ps2 emulators on pc. They are able to connect to ps2 users just fine.
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@@xxxxxNormanSothxxxxx Huh, interesting...
Oh yeah, before I forget, can you send another link perhaps?
That Ridge lead in was amazing... Genuinely the first time a TH-camr has gotten me 👏👏
Pyrocynical does some really good sponsor lead ins
The ridge wallet promo got me good 😂 looking at the screen like “yea that’s weird.” Love your videos 👍 I’ve been hoping for a new splinter cell for years.
I always played the PS2 versions and I don't recall any glitches or issues with them however I definitely do when I emulate them.
You haven't I did
I originally played the original, PT, and CT on the Nintendo GameCube which are very similar ports to the PS2, but are closer to the Xbox/PC version. It was a shock at how much more content I had when I replayed the games on the Xbox years later. I love the videos and your streams on twitch, Craig. Keep up the excellent work!
I wish this channel did more videos. They're top notch, and insanely detailed, and I love it.
I just wanna say, this video motivated me to get Chaos theory on steam, and it’s seriously one of the best games i’ve ever played. Insane to think that the game looks as good as it does, still to this day. After i finish the game i will give rest of the games a chance too. Thanks for the recommendation!
Hah besides i find your youtube name kinda funny since mass effect series is a masterpiece
But i wanna ask now what u think of chaos theory?
@@TonyMontana-ys5xz well its been a year since i played it, but shortly: one of the best stealth games ive ever played with lots of replayability, highly recommend playing it on the pc 👍
@@commandershepard5984 yea i have it on ps3 but i highly recommend splinter cell blacklist and hell even conviction
Great stuff
i get the impression they didn't make much use of the ps2's emotion engine's DMA Controller to page level data into the ram as you moved through the level. That would explain why in the first game, there are frequent loading times and also why they removed so much of the levels to fit into ram. I would say the developers were not as experienced with the ps2's strengths as they could have been. The second game shows some minor visual improvements. The Third actually looks quite nice visually. They are probably making much better use of the memory judging by the animations. By the 4th one, I can see they are really pushing the CPU more fully now.
Time. Time is why.
I suppose optimization is one reason why patches nowadays are a good thing, since you don't have to wait a full generation for the technical problems to solve themselves.
I had completely forgotten about the shark swimming.
Another great video on my favorite franchise, thank you!
Made me watch the ps2 cutscenes out of curiosity haha
I had a PS2 and not an Xbox back in the day, and Splinter Cell was one of my favourite games ever. I wish I'd never watched this video because you slightly tainted the experience by pointing out a load of things that are inferior or wrong with it that I never knew existed lol
Just replay it on xbox and it will be like playing all over again
Your experience can't be tainted, it's in the past. Having more understanding of the media you consume is never a bad thing. This can serve as incentive to replay the inferior ports or give the PC version a shot. You may never get back your old experience, but you may get something better.
I wasn't being too serious but good suggestions chaps, thanks
Same with me - I played all of them on PS2 and have zero memory of any of these loading screens or pacing flaws...until now!
PS2 version has features that us xbox SC fans wanted. Its was an excuse to buy the ps2 version and replay the game all over again like the first version of new game +. You had the version we wanted after we finished the version we played, but we all played one of the best games ever made.
In the book "Splinter Cell" Sam's daughter is kidnapped. Can't remember if it was on a ship or not.
That might've been the smoothest segue into a sponsorship I've ever seen on TH-cam. Even Sam Fisher wouldn't catch me as off-guard as that transition did.
Chaos Theory had one big advantage on PS2:
3D water.
When wading through water it would create a wake around Sam, and when shooting water it would splash. The devs created better opportunities for Sam to get his feet wet with more areas where water was present, for example the fountain outside the Bank was bigger (I think), there were extra pools in Hokkaido, and the bottom of the lift shaft was flooded in Kokubo Sosho.
No real use in game but it was clearly superior to the Xbox implementation and the devs wanted to show it off.
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I grew up playing them on PS2 and also PS3, I was never aware of this until I got a 360 and noticed how great Double Agent looked there. Discovering again Chaos Theory on PC was incredible.
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dude thats amazing nice idea
loved the vid craig. Almost to 100k man!
Well done. You have stomped on the nostalgia of all the gamers who have nostalgia playing the series on the PS2. You must really love your xbox. Really well done. You took the time out of your upload schedule just so you can point out the flaws. That must be really frustrating and not fun at all.
Yeah, it is kinda frusturating to play worse versions of games you know really well...which were objectively better in every way on Xbox
Very interesting video. I had no idea there was a difference between the versions of games. I also never considered the PS2 a less powerful hardware because of some of the massive games that came on it (MGS 3, God of War 1 and 2, Shadow of the Collosus, GTA San Andreas).
The mission where you save sams daughter from the kidnappers in double agent
That might be a version of the ending of the first splinter cell book
I played Pandora Tomorrow on PS2 and it was the reason I got a home audio system. That Jakarta level was awesome. And out me to sleep. Thank you for making this video. Also that sponsor was smooth AF.
Great job! That intro hits home!
It really sucks to be a Splinter Cell today, especially for PC players. Shittysoft refuses to integrate controller support on the first 3 games (yes, there are those who don't like the mouse wheel bullshit).
Edit: Also the reason why they won't release a full fletched Splinter Cell game is because: 1) They can't make it open world and fill it with an empty lifeless world brimmed with useless side quests. 2) They won't be able to monetize it like they do it with Assassin's Creed.
Why is the mouse wheel bullshit? Genuinely curious. I found it really intuitive personally.
I haven't played the game, nor am I familiar with whatever they did with the mouse wheel, but if you want some semblance of controller support I'd recommend using a program called AntiMicro. No analog movement of course, but it's free unlike XPadder.
Well Metal Gear Solid V managed the transition to an open world stealth game just fine minus the story.
@@GenerationZ313 Yes, but that was 99% Kojima's work. None of the Ubisoft talent have 0.2% of Kojima's vision, as Ubisoft has a large number of games with boring, lame and empty big open worlds with a bare bones story.
I actually grew up with the PS2 versions cause it was the only console I knew, and they were my first mature game experience as a kid. Granted, I never realized the story inconsistencies with the original game on PS2 back then, but I still prefer the new intro, mainly because of how cringeworthy the intro video and theme for the original version was. I at least felt like the PS2 intro more accurately conveyed the game's tone compared to the intro the original PC and Xbox release had. I still have yet to fully sit down and play through the complete versions of the original trilogy on PC, but someday I plan to when I have the time, as a fan of the series and of your channel thanks to this series, I'm glad you at least gave these versions a shot, and I enjoyed the video greatly due to all the nostalgia I have for these versions.
Sidenote: I did actually prefer Double Agent back then like you said, you were pretty spot on throughout the whole video, didn't even notice any emulation errors myself, past the weird body glowing thing(I think), so you played pretty accurate experiences.
I adore your splinter cell videos and they give me joy that there are still fans out there. I grew up on the Gamecube versions of these games (which are the same as PS2) so I was excited to see this
I love to see splinter cell videos in current day thank you so much
There is a Splinter Cell anime series coming from the writer of John Wick: Derek Kolstad..........I'm serious.
This is the Splinter Cell content I’ve always been looking for! Thanks. You make my car rides 10 x better
I've been trying to get pandora tomorrow to work on pc for awhile now. thank you for the working version with proper shadows
Great video! Now I can play Pandora tomorrow on pc!!! Thank you for that!
This is the version I played in my childhood
Great video man!!
I actually grew up with the pc version of Pandora Tomorrow. I remember when my dad got it for christmas for our computer, and the 4 disks that it took to install the game. I remember disk 3 was the one that you needed to play the game (and the one that i lost for the same reason) and how great of a time I had with that. Then since my only console was the ps2 I remember seeing chaos theory at Walmart and I begged my parents to buy it for me, they did and I had a great time with it. However, at the time I didn't even realize that somehow walmart messed up and put the first splinter cell game for the ps2 not chaos theory in the case and I grew up thinking that chaos theory was splinter cell 1 until 4 years ago that I was looking over gameplay of chaos theory and it somehow didn't seem familiar to me, then I looked up gameplay of splinter cell 1 and that was the one I knew. Just wanted to share this fun and wacky story with splinter cell
I love your content I'll never stop watching you keep it up
I really find it interesting. I really enjoyed it on ps2. Since it's all I had. I hear you say its bad in comparison and am shocked cause i LOVED the ps2 versions
Attention old school PS2 veterans: We are still playing Spies vs Mercs on PS2 online! You don't even need to own the console. You can also play via PS2 emulator on pc. Join our discord to get setup! discord.gg/2gQgMAg
I've gone through 20 years of loving Splinter Cell to suddenly find out that I played and reminisced over an inferior version. I had no idea that the PS2 wasn't their priority console and it has genuinely shocked me considering I rebought the on the PS2, thinking that's where it made it's first debut. I'm just glad I finally get to experience the alternate version on the PS3 HD collection. Idk if i should hate you for this knowledge or love you. great vid though :)
In my opinion the PS2 versions are fine, you weren't missing out all that much, especially with Chaos Theory.
Thanks for making the videos for Splinter Cell! My Favorite games.
I played parts of the games back on the PS2 but never went through them that much before getting the Trilogy collection on the PS3. I had no clue the PS3 versions were based off the PC version instead of being an upgrade of the PS2 games!
Didn't know that either I have the ps3 version too
The Gamecube Ports, are also interesting🤔
They're basically the same as PS2, sometimes look better, but nothing outstanding
@@n_worder Thanks man :)
@@n_worder I think the main draw of the Gamecube SC games was that connectivity to the GBA giving you a minimap as well as a bonus exclusive weapon- the Sticky Bomb. As someone coming in from Rainbow Six 1 & 2 I really liked the minimap feature at the time.
@@n_worder chaos theory on gamecube has some level design differences and a lot of pointless switches
I hate that transition to the advertisement, you got me.
I really wanted to see this! Thanks!
You are one of my... if not the most, favorite person i like listen to, because you are honest. (YEAS video about splinter cell series brought me here). I always wondered and wanted to see you do Witcher series.... (Keep doing the awesome work, can't wait for the next episode). Greetings from Lithuania.
PS3 basically just said: “The ones we made suck compared to the PC and Xbox versions, let’s just do HD remakes of those!”
Watching this makes me wonder how much I missed out on the Gamecube versions
I was considering trying these games out on PS2 seeing how I have access to a Free McBoot card and a DVD Burner. Now that I've seen this, now I know to either fix my OG Xbox or get the Splinter Cell Collection. Thank you for pushing thru and making this video!
I can listen to you talk about Splinter Cell every day.
That's the funny thing with me, I never had a consistent Splinter Cell experience.
The first game I played on the Xbox, since it was a Christmas gift. PT I played on the Ps2 since my Cousin bought it, didn't like it and knew I enjoyed the first game so he gave it to me. I would later get PT on Xbox, but that would be years after I played it on Ps2. CT I never played until WAY later in my life on the 3DS. I now own the Xbox version, but man was I never able to get it when I was younger. Then I bought Double Agent on the Xbox because I wanted a new Splinter Cell and couldn't find Chaos Theory. Since then I now own all the Splinter Cells on Xbox and Xbox 360, bought the HD collection on Ps3 and still own that copy of Pandora Tomorrow on Ps2. I wanna actually get my hands on the Ps2 versions and see what they are like and as well as collect the handheld games.
Splinter Cell has always been a big part of my life and being able to see people talk about it or even discuss the different versions and such. It's something I always wanted to do when I was younger, but no one was into the series. (Cause most people thought it was a lesser Metal Gear Solid, no joke)
While I do disagree with a few the views you had on the down grades of the PS2 versions, I respect that you took the time and went through them to compare and contrast against the more readily available versions on XB or PC.
I can listen to you talk about splinter cell for hours
Smoothest ad transition ever. GOD LIKE!
As a privileged piece of shit, back then, with a gamecube and a GBA, I was allowed to play splinter cell with a MAP on the GBA. It was so cool, because I had to stop whatever I was doing, checking the map on the GBA or suffer the consequences of moving Fisher while looking on another device (a nice allegory for texting while driving).
Bruh I was just playing Pandora Tomorrow on PS2 lol
I prefer that version to Xbox 360
@@je4nz pandora tomorrow is not on 360 it’s a og Xbox game and ps2 and pc
@@je4nz Xbox 360? It never came out on X360. A "remastered" version came out on PS3 (I'm using quotation marks because that version is a broken, glitchy, unplayable mess). And prefer how? it's the same version as the PC and XB but objectively worse. As Doug pointed out, the story, cutscenes, and levels are almost identical. The only major difference is the game-shattering amount of loading screens. It sucks.
Splinter Cell Chaos theory on the ps2 was my intro to stealth games and at the time it blew my mind. I went back to play all the games when they were available on ps3 as digital versions and it all held up at the time but, that was a decade in a half ago as well. But they were great.
Always down for more splinter cell videos
You should really go back and revisit Splinter Cell: Blacklist Spies vs Mercs! It’s still active on Xbox and PC!
10/10
@mabbohabb theres only a handful of players on pc :/ its takes forever to find a match
Attention old school PS2 veterans: We are still playing SCCT (Splinter Cell Chaos Theory) online! you don't even need to own the console. you can also play via ps2 emulator on pc. join our discord to get setup! discord.gg/dAmbYVA3pj
I had a PS2 before I switched to Xbox's, so I got PT and CT for it. Needless to say, playing all the games again on PC a couple years ago was a wonderful experience.
Thank you so much for the Pandora Tomorrow Download Link!
My first ever splintercell game was pandora tomorrow on the gamecube. It was 4 dollars and i heard the series was good so i picked it up. I instantly recognized that the seriea was something special, and i played all the ps2 versions next. When i picked up the xbox versions, i saw a vast improvement and loved the games even more! So i feel like that was a good way to experience both versions, by starting with the worse entries
How do the GameCube versions stack up? I’m curious because I want to play the series on PC, but considering that Double Agent’s PC port is hit garbage, and Pandora Tomorrow isn’t sold digitally at a-
25:13 oh shit! Thanks man! Now I’m subbing for real 👍
Double agent on gamecube is fine, avoid pandora on gamecube like the plague, it is so buggy its not even funny
@@kingdomkey2262 Thank you for letting me know that Double Agent is fine.
But might I ask, what kind of bugs are in the Gamecube version of Pandora Tomorrow? Also, do you know if the original SC or Chaos Theory are also buggy or fine?
Looking good Ive never been this early 6 seconds and no likes nore comments love your videos.
That Ridge Wallet transition was smooth
Dude love your stuff, when I hear other you tubers like sphere hunter and avalanche reviews make videos for 40 min (even longer sometimes) and they just parrot what the majority of the community that surround that particular game, who also deem what is ideologically and socially(as in you aren’t a true fan of you don’t think this way or like “us”) acceptable, it makes you realize they say a whole bunch of NOTHING. I love your thoughts and you have a great way of knowing how to express them in the words you choose and on top of that, also make your words and ideas entertaining, where I’m hooked and stay listening. Love that you actually give your true feelings and opinions on certain aspects of any game no MATTER the “backlash” the mob tries to harass you with, you are very bold and honestly just really original when it comes to you articulating yourself. That is the reason I subbed and continue to be impressed with the content you put out, you can actual tell you give a damn about what you’re talking about, not like other you tubers. Thanks for being you man and not another boring puppet. 👏
only 2 mins in, just thought id say, if the emulation makes its own differences too the games, then the video already seems null, you should have just played them on a ps2 too get the authentic thing with its authentic problems,. emulating the ps2 versions isnt playing the ps2 version, nit pick aside i can tell im gona love this video
Sharks kill less than 20 or so people at most people a year. While we kill tens of thousands of sharks a year. So “dangerous” vacation would not be the word I would have used. Other than that I love the video.
I love that you are so into Splinter Cell to the point that you are making videos about details that only other hardcore fans know about. I always knew that the ps2 versions got some extra content but never understood why. Xbox and PC were the superior choice to play on and I did back in the day. (Still playing version 2 DA on OG xbox right now :)) I guess maybe because the ps2 was so successful that they had to port and because it came out later, they had to put extra content in.
Always love your Splinter Cell in-depth videos!!! I grew up with the PS2 versions and wholeheartedly agree that Double Agent was the best out of all of them for that console. That didn't stop me from getting the Xbox versions of Chaos Theory and Double Agent later down the road, which I still consider the definitive versions.
Now, hear me out:...Every DOOM Game?
No
@@peacefulbeet8574 why not?
@@eropandasennin13 I just dooms been done enough. There’s more exciting games to do.
@@eropandasennin13 just my opinion
@@peacefulbeet8574 yet I'd like to hear HIS opinion on them.
Can we get someday a "Reviewing Every 007 Game" video? (BTW R.I.P Sean Connery)
Amazing video, thank you!
Great video ! To answer your question, no it wasn't the emulator that makes the goggles work fine in Double Agent V2, the console version was also like that :)
I don’t get it. The PS2 version of SC has to cut some areas down but can add a new level in?
It's probably because if the levels were kept in their entire size there would have been even more loading screens per mission. Those bonus missions were most likely meant to be a sort of apology for the hackjobbed main games
That sponsorship was really lame and not funny at all. Stopped watching right there.
You could've skipped it but that would've made too much sense
Been waiting for this one great work on the video and keep up the good work love splinter cell can’t wait for the new one
And no I haven’t seen any weird bugs the only frustrating bug I’ve encountered is the occasional enemies see through total darkness or walls thing, that’s why I have the bf collection on ps3 now☺️
i thought nobody could make a video on a topic this specific, and yet you're here
Dude I wish I could forget about the reviewing all the splinter cell games video entirely, and rewatch it. I love the splinter cell content on this channel, and I want MORE so this will do lol
My first outing to Splinter Cell was Pandora and Chaos Theory on PS2. I am that nostalgic person and I say you're 100% on the money.
Those games and those botched ports were the reason I built a PC, and the reason I am a PC gamer today.
this is my jam
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Hey Craig. Great video as usual. As someone who did indeed play the PS2 versions first (back when that was our only console), I've been really interested in hearing your thoughts on them. Most of what you said in the video I pretty much agree with, however, here are a few things you might also find interesting (if you didn't know them already).
While Ubisoft Montreal was the creator of the XBOX and PC versions of the first game, it was Ubisoft Shanghai who made the PS2 and GCN versions. This is why the locked door quality-of-life improvement was made (as it would appear in Pandora as well, since they made that game for all consoles). Also, your binoculars from Pandora are featured in the PS2 version of the first game, too.
Also on the first game: I know you talked about in-game conversations and data sticks contradicting the new opening of this version, but the other versions actually do a bit of the same thing concerning the additional power plant level. Even on XBOX and PC, there are clear references to this mission even though it (supposedly) doesn't take place, like Wilkes' death at Kalinatek suddenly occurring in Russian airspace on a different date as seen in the post-mission cutscene, or the fact that the subplot with the missing nuclear Americium 239 that you destroy in Chinese Embassy pt. 2 actually begins here, or the fact that they give less direct tie-in than the PS2 version on Nikoladze actually being in Myanmar despite your Kalinatek debriefing pinpointing nothing more than the power plant as the next point of interest. I feel like the decision to subtract this mission from the XBOX and PC was a bit last-minute on Ubisoft Montreal's part because when one takes the time to look at some of the fine details, it's obvious that there's a good chunk of the story missing.
(EDIT: I just noticed/read Zach's comment below which goes into greater detail about cut content. It's really informative!)
Finally, I have to say that your theories on Double Agent's two bonus missions being dreams or fantasies was really interesting. I'm not entirely sure that the ship mission was meant to be interpreted as such since one of your opportunity objectives involves finding out who ordered the kidnapping (SPOILER: it was Raheem Kadir, the owner of the factory in Iceland that you infiltrate). Still, it certainly got me looking at these missions in a new way!
All in all, it was great hearing you talk about Splinter Cell again. I really enjoyed it because as I said, it touched a bit closer to home for me. Hopefully, we may one day finally get a quality sequel to this series that's been dormant for too long, now!
lmao that transition to the sponsor was good
Great vid man keep it up
Biggest takeaway from this video for me was learning Pandora Tomorrow PC is playable on modern operating systems, and free on ModDB to boot. Downloaded it right away, now I can marathon the entire series on PC (and yes that includes Double Agent, I found a few things that seem to fix a couple of the more troubling issues).
My first experience with the series was the first two entries on PS2. They were undeniably hard but also undeniably cool.