The Savage Wolf is reserved for elite pilots or extremely wealthy ones The Ferro Lamenar is extremely expensive and constantly needs to be replaced the Sea Fox accountants known that
@@jamesricker3997 They've bought SOME of their assets. They don't have all of them by any means yet. They got the Wolf Empire, and Marik's so far iirc.
The Savage Wolf is like a Lamborghini. Exquisite design, iconic siluette and top performance but with an astronomic pricetag and maintainance intensive like a german ww2 tank...
I keep getting the impression Clan Seafox is the BattleTech equivalent to the Ferengi of Star Trek in the current setting. Their suprisingly ruthless business methods have come up with the Hammerhead, where they employ practices like Microsoft and other corporations do today. Spiking their products with bugs so the people have to spend money on upgrades and bugfixes. And all the MMO and mobile game creators offering games as a service you have to keep paying on and on. I would rename them Clan S-EA-fox.
That is the thing with Clan Seafox, they live "business is war" in a way that makes everyone else wish for an economic equivalent of the Ares Conventions.
"Non-stardard parts." Clan Sea Fox has studied its history well, and has learned from such giants as Apple and Dell. Seriously, never buy a Dell computer.
The Clans stopped using standardised parts because they're stupid, and think war means you fight multiple duels in a day. Clan Sea Fox know about standardised parts, and decided that when you have a monopoly on selling the meanest hardware in the galaxy, you've already got the customer by the balls, so why not take ALL their money?
Pro Tip: The XXL Engine makes the Savage Wolf extremely vulnerable to Inferno SRMs and Plasma weapons. If you can force it to keep making ammo explosion rolls it’s feasible to take it down
@@patrickkenyon2326 No mech likes someone on his back. Ironically, the savage wolf may fare better than most if said backstabber relies of a large array of small hits rather than a single big one due to how its armor behaves. Something like a locust IIC for exemple will be very sad to see its small lasers having their damage cut down to 4, meaning 2 hits on the center backside will remove the armor but wont touch the structure despite it having only 8 armor
The Mad Cat Mk IV/Savage Wolf is a neat mech that uses the best tech the Dark Age has to offer, but XXL engines are such a liability I'd rather run any of the other Mad Cats. And now, with the development of the Alpha Wolf, Clan Wolf has its own take on an updated Timber Wolf just in time for the ilClan era, so I'd expect the Savage Wolf to fade in popularity with the ilClan.
@@DIEGhostfish yeah the XXL is a liability.. however i'd say the ferro-lamellor armor more than makes up for it by making those internals safer. basically the savage wolf has squishier insides than its ancestor, but a tougher shell around said innards. (really if you do the math on its effective armor, it matches the kind of armor assault mechs have in the worst cases. SRMs tickle it, its immune to crit-seeking through the armor, immune to LBX cluster ammo, and the list of benefits of that armor goes on) For me the most questionable thing is the armored gyro... Why bother armoring internals and spending 2 precious tons for it that could be spent on useful heatsinks when the mech is all about keeping its internals safe from getting hit in the first place?
Anyone who’s ever seen a fox in action wouldn’t compare it to a dog. I realize science says they are related, but that’s like saying cats and dogs are the same.
I run one of these as my characters mech in the latest Roguetech career. With the way Roguetech handles omnimechs my Savage Wolf mounts no ammo dependent weapons with a repeating tsemp, Clan ER PPC, and a bevy of pulse lasers. It shuts mechs down and then takes out the legs for better salvaging purposes.
@@BigRed40TECH That's not exactly true. They were barred from suing any of the Battletech owners and licensees, but after that lawsuit they actually smoothed out their rights with Big West or whoever it is that owns macross in Japan
Well, that was certainly an interesting watch! I knew about the MadCat II, but the MadCat IV? Never heard of it until now. I was even more surprised to see you showcase it with modded MW5 gameplay, which gave a great backdrop to the info being presented. My only qualm is with the mod's animations. That walk cycle looked just a tad... Stiff. Oh well! Once again, a very good watch!
Love the look of this design. That being said, I'm not convinced that it's worth the extra costs. It's massively expensive compared to its ancestor. It also is far more vulnerable in some ways. In the Lore, I'd like to see Clan Jade Falcon create their own Omni variant. One that is cheaper yet having it's own strengths and is a competitor for sale to the highest bidder.
I always played the video games but I get the implication that mechs have huge performance differences between tabletop rules and FPS games. It sounds like it could be a very useful mech for FPS. Would you say that is not the case in tabletop?
@@nexusdrop7863 for tabletop, savage wolf has MUCH more armor durability than the Timby (but way less useful quirks... like, why does it have quirks that only benefit it in melee combat with either mechs or infantry, especially when its loadout has no anti infantry weapon nor an incentive to go in punching range of the enemy?). in fact its actual effective armor can be compared to what an assault mech would carry, and thats in the worst case scenario. SRM boats will CRY when faced with a savage wolf as its armor ffectively cuts SRM damage in half. Oh and its immune to LBX cluster ammo as long as there is armor as well. That focus on armor durability could also make it shine in a campaign, helping prevent expensive to fix internal damage.
@@Alex-pj8nz Ish. It's the faction that split away during/as a result of the FedCom Civil War, Essentially the old Lyran Commonwealth reborn. Having said that, who was fighting who and where changed a lot during that war (especially once the Jade Falcons threw their hat into the arena).
Clan Wolf's Star League: Alternate names: "Be Happy We Didn't Call It The Wolf League" "Star League III: Clanner Boogaloo" 'You Dare Refuse My Batchall" "An Excellent Decision With A Low Chance Of Backfiring" "Don't Worry, We'll Still Beat Up The Periphery, Too"
Nice. Thanks for covering the Mad Cat MK IV. It's tied for my favorite mech along with the mark I Mad Cat. Direwolf and of course the legendary Highlander, but it never gets videos like the other three. I also love the fact that the clanners developed a frigging gauss shotgun. Can imagine a warrior's reaction to it going like this. [Bondsman] I just took out an entire lance of Inner sphere dogs with my HAG-30! [Lance commander] Glory to the Star League, for soon you will be a bondsman no longer! You will be called warrior by tomorrow morning. [Bondsman] Hey, how come we have all these overpowered weapons, starships, mechs and genetically modified soldiers, and yet we still lose? [Lance Commander] Because, my son, our leaders are morons...
Gotta come clean, my favorite Timberwolf derivative is the one meant to support light stars. I'm a sucker for the gotta go fast attitude of the Linebacker and it's MWO redesign had me falling head over heels.
Guess I liked this one due to mimicking my favorite variant of the original Timber Wolf but adding new tricks. Add in the armor and speed of this thing is a monster to deal with. The mini is also a pain in the butt to build unless you pin the arms, but it is a sleek beautiful mini.
"Acting as a Super Shotgun against enemy 'Mechs." Sooner or later, someone's gonna make a 'Mech that is essentially if Doomguy piloted that Atlan from his fortress in DOOM Eternal.
Thank You BR40k! The Timberwolf lineage is alive and well with the SW/TW IV! I have 4 of these for my TT unit. We absolutely love the HAG variant! And I'm on MegaMek building a Timberwolf V! It's a light that moves at 162kph! And still packs some serious freaking firepower! I'll let you know when it's done!
My choice on Savage Wolff varian based on Alaric Ward Ilkhan of Reborn Star League, spec on ER Large Laser plus Pulse Laser, well, or ER-PPC variants. Its speed quite good actually,especially if we use SRM at its rocket/missille pod for devastating close point blank effect. (Alternate Config A.)
I played quite a bit of Battletech in the 90s and if I remember the Technical Manuals said that the Mad Cat and Vulture, or Mad Dog chassis came from the Exodus period with Kerensky and later were used with pretty much all Clan branches during the invasion of the Inner Sphere? I always liked this design, LRMS + whatever you want on the arms, i saw a lot of designs with pulse lasers, this one looks like dual PPC. Its a cool mech and one for the history books.
My own KRL has a couple pilots in those. 1 of those pilots got demo charges placed on his cockpit after it was over run by jump jet infantry from Liao. Demo charges on the cockpit glass, and KABOOM. Pilot KIA. The other Mk IV pilot, who was good friends with the pilot who got killed by infantry promptly switched his Savage Wolf's SRMs to Cluster munitions for dealing with infantry as well as under the cockpit, he has 4 20mm Gatling cannon machineguns. Ofc, the 4 MGs is based on the WIzkids clix version that has 4 holes under the cockpit, presumably where weapons of some kind are.
@@BigRed40TECH I'm a big fan of mechs with jump jets. Especially with omnimechs since they are modular. Although if it were fast or armored enough it wouldn't matter. Like the speed of the Arctic Wolf 1
One of my favorite brawlers, I prefer running dual ATM 9s with the ER PPCs instead of the Streak SRM6s. The main issue with the prime variant is 2 of the 4 SSRM6s face rearwards. Also regarding the XXL engine, it actually generates 5 heat STANDING STILL, I feel like the chassis could benefit from running a smaller XL engine but would lose some of it's character. Performance wise its the Formula 1 car of battlemechs, with the price to match, it's high strung and fragile in certain places but can absolutely dominate in the hands of a skilled but possibly crazy pilot.
@@BigRed40TECH I think so. I played Mechwarrior back on Windows 95 era so maybe the MC3 (or Mad Cat). I'll learn for sure after I finish the video ! :)
HAGs seem a bit niche, longer range amd colders than clan LRMs but very heavy. Probably very hard for any simulator game to balance, you can't make it too spready or it loses the long range accuracy and direct fire nature. I wonder if that's why the tineline stopped dead for MWO. Balancing MRMs that the pilot can aim themselves is probably hard enoughm
Interesting that there was a Mad Cat IV, when there's also a Mad Cat Mk. IV in the form of that 90-ton angryboi. Because nothing says hello like quad Clan UAC/5s and twin ATM/12s.
The Savage Wolf is just a scam to make a more expensive Timber Wolf which is already quite expensive. Its only real benefit is its Ferro-Lamellor Armor for +20% better armor. The Savage Wolf costs 370% as much. Clan Sea Fox really make a buck with the sales before the Dark Age. Natasha Kerensky for a period piloted a more economical Stormcrow/Ryoken II equipped with 2 SRM-6s, 2 ER MLs, 2 ER PPCs, and 5 JJs but instead used an Extralight Engine and Ferro-Fibrous Armor. It was about 20% of the cost of the Savage Wolf she later used. XXL Engines is a nice novelty but not useful for general use. The reason why the is increase in Heat. Since the XXL generates 5-7 more heat you have to equip more heat sinks, making the decreased weight pointless. The designs that could most benefit from an XXL Engine are not combat models, but scouts. Since scouts are lightly armed they do not generate as much heat. You could take a Spider, give it an XXL Engine and increases it movement range and speed by +50%,
A big reason why I think clan wolf more readily accepted the mad cat 4 and not the 2 or 3: 2 and 3 were complete reimaginings, the first turning it into an assault mech and the 3 into a medium mech; it was blatantly obvious these were just trying to coast on the success of the Timberwolf. The Mad cat 4 however isnt a reimagining, but a recreation of the original using technology that wasnt available at the time (and the loadouts reflect that): its purely a modernized timberwolf, and maybe its why clan wolf is more OK with it than the previous sea fox mad cats.
The Savage Wolf is an excellent unit, especially compared to Clan Wolf's rather incompetent attempt at replacing the Timber Wolf, the Savage Wolf. Strong configs, better protection, but more subject to overheating and critical hits on its engine, it's a solid succesor to the original Timber Wolf. The best part is that it's available to the entire Inner Sphere, Clan, IS nation and merc alike.
As a Clanner, even I want nothing to do with this ungodly abomination. Sure, it CAN be decent. Even good, with the right equipment and being piloted by a suicidal psychopath. Just don't expect either to come back at the end of the day.
I would like to compare the Timberwolf / Mad Cat to the Dessert Eagle pistol. It is big, loud, powerful and iconic. But is also ostentacious and very unwieldy for those with little or no experience. You can use both to make a point and scare the majority, but do not expect the highest standards of practicallity nor hope to win wars by themselves.
about ferro-lamellor: if i'm correct, its 20% damage reductin or more. Basically for every 5 damage or less a single attack gives, you take off 1 point of damage. That means a 5 damage attack will deal 4 against ferro lamellor, but that a 6 damage attack will also be lowered down to 4, for a 30% damage reduction. Even more interesting is that it renders LBX cluster ammo completely harmless, reducing all its hits to 0 damage, without a chance of critting or even hurting the pilot on headshots. Same applies to LRM missiles that end up as a 1 damage grouping. SRMs also suffer a lot against it, having their damage sliced in half no matter the size of the rack. Overall its durability is an interesting topic: Itruns a bit hotter despite the heat sinks when on the move and once the armor is breached it dies faster than its ancestor, but said armor is also harder to crack in the first place. I think the fact its BV is basically the same as the timberwolf does say how comparable they are in the end. (hell, the timberwolf D and savage wolf have a measly ONE BV difference). Quirk wise the savage wolf is weird though.. its positive quirks only help when attacked by infantry trying to bust its legs or swarm it and when punched by other mechs to keep its footing, both of which suggesting a short range use the prime config isn't really suited for... while the timberwold gets weaker head armor (not that much of an issue since its only 1 point) and brings a REALLY useful medium range accuracy bonus quirk.
Yes. It has a damage reduction factor this is being a bit overlooked IMO. Ignoring the first point of damage and every 5th point of damage after that per hit is extremely strong. No TAC, no AP rounds, no tandem charge warheads to cause cheap crits. It really is a fast Assault mech dressed as a Twolf, it would have been better served with more original weapon configurations.
@@edwingiddings4844 oh yeah.. that or even just not having half the SSRMs on the prime face backwards.. eitehr make them face foward, ot remove them for more heatsinks and energy weapons... I did make a sheet for a variant with just that: more heatsinks, 2 small pulses in the CT, making it run way cooler, have more effective firepower,a nd have better close range capabilitya nd the ability to swat infantry, which is good since its quirks allows the savage wolf to not fear infantry as much
Rakshasha: I AM YOU BUT A FALIURE. Savage Wolf: i am like Rakshasha, but i actually pull it off. Question: is there a mad cat III? or a Clan Catapault?
@@fpsempire0599 The license is going back into limbo soon. I also doubt we'll get another clan-centric game anytime soon even if someone else does pick it up, as most players are sphere players, and they'll want the best chance of the game being successful. Someone might do the Clan Invasion again, but it just depends on if anyone at all is interested in the property as a brand , as far as game devs are concerned.
Huh? You’re now covering Clan/Dark Age mechs? I thought you’d go over all succession wars mechs first. Unless you made an announcement that I didn’t see.
Well, this is what happens when you take a classic and trick it out with all the shiny kit. An obscenely expensive and controversially flawed mimic that trades on its looks (dubiously, a stunted "mad cat mkII"). I am unconvinced that it is in any way an improvement over the original it tries to supplant.
it is a downgrade when it comes to heat and internal durability. However, its a flat out upgrade in the armor department, its durability in that regard matching assault mechs in the worst of cases and flat out laughing at a few weapon systems like SRMs and LBX with cluster ammo. Overall, its an interesting tradeoff.
It's a fine steed, but man, I really just can't get over how stupid the arms look. Also, isn't Chance Vickers the saKhan of Clan Wolf? I thought Anastasia was made Commanding General of the new SLDF. Not to nitpick, I'm just not sure if I remember right and my Kindle needs to be charged.
Why do I get the feeling that Clan Sea Fox purposely sold the Savage Wolf so as to gather field combat data and use the profits from the sales to secretly develop more powerful mechs? The Savage Wolf is indeed a fearsome machine but it's got too many Achilles' heels and they are very subtle, it's not like the Clans to have such weaknesses in their mechs, it feels too deliberate unless I am reading too much into this.
@@BigRed40TECH Diversity brings more results I guess but you gotta respect their cunning and brass balls, selling a mech based on the original chassis developed by Clan Wolf and then dangling it like a tasty piece of meat. The fact that Clan Wolf swallowed their pride and purchased despite the insult is quite mature, had it been a century ago there would be a Trial of Refusal to prevent Sea Fox from selling it but considering how vindictive the Wolf Khan is (RIP Wolf Dragoons) there will be a reckoning somewhere down the line.
@@Gelb33 By the time Alaric "I am not my Mother's son!" Ward can try anything, the Shark Foxes will just hire ALL the mercs and give them the shiniest hardware they can issue and say, "FAFO, ilKhan." Especially since they bought out all the Comstar assets and may be able to bring the grid back online soon, the Sea-Bill really will be the new C-Bill.
@@BigRed40TECH I found the Jihad to be interesting overall - not necessarily good but certainly a crazy twist. It was also in some ways less frustrating than the original Clan invasion, what with WoBs tech advancements being only a little ahead of the rest of the inner sphere (as opposed to vanilla inner sphere vs clan tech). I remember when Dark Age was first releasd by heroclix and kinda feeling.. insulted by it? Id been playing tabletop since 86 and this new version of the game set many decades later felt off to me. So I never read any of the novels or whatnot, though I do have TROs. Are there any actual sourcebooks? Same with the Ilclan era?
How good of salesmen are the Sea Foxes, they sold Clan Wolf a more expensive version of a mech they already had.
And one that's questionably better! XD
Well their big shots used it so.......
Or as Tex says clanners don’t understand money
@@theomnissiah-9120 Sea Fox proves that wrong XD
@@BigRed40TECH sea fox is a exception not the average
"So is the HAG rifle like a sniper thing, a shotgun thing, or a machine gun thing?"
"...Yes."
HAG is a better autocannon than an autocannon. Prove me wrong.
The Savage Wolf is reserved for elite pilots or extremely wealthy ones
The Ferro Lamenar is extremely expensive and constantly needs to be replaced the Sea Fox accountants known that
Money money moneyyyyyyy
@@BigRed40TECH which the Sea Fox's appear to be using to buy up all of Comsar's former assets
@@jamesricker3997 They've bought SOME of their assets. They don't have all of them by any means yet. They got the Wolf Empire, and Marik's so far iirc.
Better hope it doesn’t meet a Fed suns assault mech with RE lasers.
@@Alex-pj8nz Or something fast and jumpy.
Back armor is paper.
I never liked how the Diamond Sharks went back to the Sea Foxes, but I'll always love the Merchant Clan for their madcap Mad Cats!
It was the final snub to Snow Raven before leaving clan space forever. Or at least that's what I've heard.
The Savage Wolf is like a Lamborghini. Exquisite design, iconic siluette and top performance but with an astronomic pricetag and maintainance intensive like a german ww2 tank...
"Profit=Honor"
-Clan Sea Fox Remembrance (most likely)
Sea Fox = Dezgra. lol
@@BigRed40TECH I mean, the Clans did SeaFox | Diamond Shark dirty so Im not surprised they shrug at Dezgra.
@@BigRed40TECH "I'm sorry I can't hear you over all this money"
Sea Fox rememberance is just the Rules of Acquisition.
Sea Fox = Ferengis of BT
I keep getting the impression Clan Seafox is the BattleTech equivalent to the Ferengi of Star Trek in the current setting.
Their suprisingly ruthless business methods have come up with the Hammerhead, where they employ practices like Microsoft and other corporations do today.
Spiking their products with bugs so the people have to spend money on upgrades and bugfixes.
And all the MMO and mobile game creators offering games as a service you have to keep paying on and on. I would rename them Clan S-EA-fox.
That is the thing with Clan Seafox, they live "business is war" in a way that makes everyone else wish for an economic equivalent of the Ares Conventions.
Bro. ✋😫🤚 Too Soon!!!
"Non-stardard parts." Clan Sea Fox has studied its history well, and has learned from such giants as Apple and Dell. Seriously, never buy a Dell computer.
Proprietary PSU. All day every day :P
The Clans stopped using standardised parts because they're stupid, and think war means you fight multiple duels in a day.
Clan Sea Fox know about standardised parts, and decided that when you have a monopoly on selling the meanest hardware in the galaxy, you've already got the customer by the balls, so why not take ALL their money?
but space AT&T... you still have NO CHOICE LOL.
@@IronWarhorsesFun Actually as far as I understand, Clan Wolf has control of the HPG as of ilClan, as they control Terra.
Pro Tip: The XXL Engine makes the Savage Wolf extremely vulnerable to Inferno SRMs and Plasma weapons. If you can force it to keep making ammo explosion rolls it’s feasible to take it down
Or just get behind it.
Back armor is paper.
I do like me some plasmas...
infernos are one of my favorite weapons in a world where so many people love their energy boats
@@patrickkenyon2326 That's just every mech ever. Easier said than done.
@@patrickkenyon2326 No mech likes someone on his back. Ironically, the savage wolf may fare better than most if said backstabber relies of a large array of small hits rather than a single big one due to how its armor behaves. Something like a locust IIC for exemple will be very sad to see its small lasers having their damage cut down to 4, meaning 2 hits on the center backside will remove the armor but wont touch the structure despite it having only 8 armor
The Mad Cat Mk IV/Savage Wolf is a neat mech that uses the best tech the Dark Age has to offer, but XXL engines are such a liability I'd rather run any of the other Mad Cats.
And now, with the development of the Alpha Wolf, Clan Wolf has its own take on an updated Timber Wolf just in time for the ilClan era, so I'd expect the Savage Wolf to fade in popularity with the ilClan.
I expect the Savage Wolf to continue to be popular, tbh.
But I'm covering the Alpha Wolf next :)
Isn't a clan XXL just the equivalent of an IS XL in durability but hotter? Oh wait 4 crit slots so it can lose the whole mech even easier
He probably notice what the salvage Wolf throughly is as he grew in wisdom but is a crusader at heart which makes him predictable.
@@DIEGhostfish yeah the XXL is a liability.. however i'd say the ferro-lamellor armor more than makes up for it by making those internals safer.
basically the savage wolf has squishier insides than its ancestor, but a tougher shell around said innards. (really if you do the math on its effective armor, it matches the kind of armor assault mechs have in the worst cases. SRMs tickle it, its immune to crit-seeking through the armor, immune to LBX cluster ammo, and the list of benefits of that armor goes on)
For me the most questionable thing is the armored gyro... Why bother armoring internals and spending 2 precious tons for it that could be spent on useful heatsinks when the mech is all about keeping its internals safe from getting hit in the first place?
A Savage Wolf...piloted by psychotic Wolves...and made by duplicitous dogs...whose logo is a fox.
All too fitting. :P
What the fox say?
"Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!"
Ooooh you dog!!
>duplicitous
Chill out, they just can count lmao, what are you, a Smoke Jaguar >
Anyone who’s ever seen a fox in action wouldn’t compare it to a dog. I realize science says they are related, but that’s like saying cats and dogs are the same.
I run one of these as my characters mech in the latest Roguetech career. With the way Roguetech handles omnimechs my Savage Wolf mounts no ammo dependent weapons with a repeating tsemp, Clan ER PPC, and a bevy of pulse lasers. It shuts mechs down and then takes out the legs for better salvaging purposes.
I read that as "robotech" for some reason and was like "?????"
@@BigRed40TECH *Harmony Gold noises*
@@BigRed40TECH careful now, Harmony Gold might send a lawsuit your way.
Given they've basically lost the license, or will be soon, and they are otherwise a real-estate company, I'm not all that worried. lol
@@BigRed40TECH That's not exactly true. They were barred from suing any of the Battletech owners and licensees, but after that lawsuit they actually smoothed out their rights with Big West or whoever it is that owns macross in Japan
I feel like the totem for clan Sea Wolf is an apple with a bite taken out of it with some of these practices.
Great video! I am excited to learn about more clan mechs.
Well, that was certainly an interesting watch! I knew about the MadCat II, but the MadCat IV? Never heard of it until now. I was even more surprised to see you showcase it with modded MW5 gameplay, which gave a great backdrop to the info being presented. My only qualm is with the mod's animations. That walk cycle looked just a tad... Stiff. Oh well! Once again, a very good watch!
Yea, I'm not big on the animation either. But still! I enjoyed doing it. :)
Love the look of this design. That being said, I'm not convinced that it's worth the extra costs. It's massively expensive compared to its ancestor. It also is far more vulnerable in some ways.
In the Lore, I'd like to see Clan Jade Falcon create their own Omni variant. One that is cheaper yet having it's own strengths and is a competitor for sale to the highest bidder.
I honestly think the Timber Wolf is a bit better for the money, despite being slightly less advanced. Savage Wolf is still gud tho.
I always played the video games but I get the implication that mechs have huge performance differences between tabletop rules and FPS games. It sounds like it could be a very useful mech for FPS. Would you say that is not the case in tabletop?
This mech is to earn a huge amount of cash for the sea foxes, the cost be damn.
Agreed, I dislike XXL engines.
@@nexusdrop7863 for tabletop, savage wolf has MUCH more armor durability than the Timby (but way less useful quirks... like, why does it have quirks that only benefit it in melee combat with either mechs or infantry, especially when its loadout has no anti infantry weapon nor an incentive to go in punching range of the enemy?). in fact its actual effective armor can be compared to what an assault mech would carry, and thats in the worst case scenario. SRM boats will CRY when faced with a savage wolf as its armor ffectively cuts SRM damage in half. Oh and its immune to LBX cluster ammo as long as there is armor as well.
That focus on armor durability could also make it shine in a campaign, helping prevent expensive to fix internal damage.
Funny sidenote I just discovered:
According to the MUL, FedCom fielded the MadCat 2 before either Wolf's Dragoons or Clan Wolf did.
Probably traded resources and information for them.
@@Alex-pj8nz More than likely. Probably upset the Jade Falcons a bit though.
@@malusignatius The Lyran alliance is the Fed Com ?
@@Alex-pj8nz Ish. It's the faction that split away during/as a result of the FedCom Civil War, Essentially the old Lyran Commonwealth reborn. Having said that, who was fighting who and where changed a lot during that war (especially once the Jade Falcons threw their hat into the arena).
@@malusignatius the Fed Suns will refuse to help the Lyran anymore due to this. Other than to fleece them of cash.
It may be dishonorable amongst the clans. But as a Nova Cat/ Spirit Cat Pilot. I can’t deny an attractive Battlemech when I see one.
Clan Wolf's Star League:
Alternate names:
"Be Happy We Didn't Call It The Wolf League"
"Star League III: Clanner Boogaloo"
'You Dare Refuse My Batchall"
"An Excellent Decision With A Low Chance Of Backfiring"
"Don't Worry, We'll Still Beat Up The Periphery, Too"
"Third Star League? What other Third Empire was infamous?"
"Star League With A Vengeance."
@@BigRed40TECH holy smokes. I just realized that.
I learnt a lot of new stuff with this one.
Thanks mate, I appreciate it.
No, thank you! It was a long script to write this time and I was happy to do it. :)
Nice. Thanks for covering the Mad Cat MK IV. It's tied for my favorite mech along with the mark I Mad Cat. Direwolf and of course the legendary Highlander, but it never gets videos like the other three. I also love the fact that the clanners developed a frigging gauss shotgun. Can imagine a warrior's reaction to it going like this.
[Bondsman] I just took out an entire lance of Inner sphere dogs with my HAG-30!
[Lance commander] Glory to the Star League, for soon you will be a bondsman no longer! You will be called warrior by tomorrow morning.
[Bondsman] Hey, how come we have all these overpowered weapons, starships, mechs and genetically modified soldiers, and yet we still lose?
[Lance Commander] Because, my son, our leaders are morons...
Great video! Very worthy of one of my favorite mechs!
It's the first omni-mech I covered, so I figured I had to cover it to the best of my abilities ;)
When in doubt use HAG! It has yet to let me down so far!
Gotta come clean, my favorite Timberwolf derivative is the one meant to support light stars. I'm a sucker for the gotta go fast attitude of the Linebacker and it's MWO redesign had me falling head over heels.
that C variant lookin' mighty fine
Clan Sea Wolf: Honor died at Tukayyid, and profit was born.
Based
Guess I liked this one due to mimicking my favorite variant of the original Timber Wolf but adding new tricks. Add in the armor and speed of this thing is a monster to deal with. The mini is also a pain in the butt to build unless you pin the arms, but it is a sleek beautiful mini.
I got the arms on without pinning. I guess I was lucky?
@@michaelallen3894 yeah I'd say I tried to just glue them on but refused to stay pulled out my pin vise and some piano wire and it did the trick.
You sound so happy making this video.
Clan Sea Fox is like the EA of the Clans
"It's in the GAME!"
"Acting as a Super Shotgun against enemy 'Mechs."
Sooner or later, someone's gonna make a 'Mech that is essentially if Doomguy piloted that Atlan from his fortress in DOOM Eternal.
I want this. Twin HAG40's. lol
@@BigRed40TECH There’s a Dire Wolf for that.
Thank You BR40k! The Timberwolf lineage is alive and well with the SW/TW IV! I have 4 of these for my TT unit. We absolutely love the HAG variant! And I'm on MegaMek building a Timberwolf V! It's a light that moves at 162kph! And still packs some serious freaking firepower! I'll let you know when it's done!
My choice on Savage Wolff varian based on Alaric Ward Ilkhan of Reborn Star League, spec on ER Large Laser plus Pulse Laser, well, or ER-PPC variants. Its speed quite good actually,especially if we use SRM at its rocket/missille pod for devastating close point blank effect. (Alternate Config A.)
I played quite a bit of Battletech in the 90s and if I remember the Technical Manuals said that the Mad Cat and Vulture, or Mad Dog chassis came from the Exodus period with Kerensky and later were used with pretty much all Clan branches during the invasion of the Inner Sphere? I always liked this design, LRMS + whatever you want on the arms, i saw a lot of designs with pulse lasers, this one looks like dual PPC. Its a cool mech and one for the history books.
Oooh. MC4. I like the MC 3 as I'm a medium fan.
People voted for it, so it came out. :)
My own KRL has a couple pilots in those. 1 of those pilots got demo charges placed on his cockpit after it was over run by jump jet infantry from Liao. Demo charges on the cockpit glass, and KABOOM. Pilot KIA. The other Mk IV pilot, who was good friends with the pilot who got killed by infantry promptly switched his Savage Wolf's SRMs to Cluster munitions for dealing with infantry as well as under the cockpit, he has 4 20mm Gatling cannon machineguns. Ofc, the 4 MGs is based on the WIzkids clix version that has 4 holes under the cockpit, presumably where weapons of some kind are.
Cool sounding but I don't know about the XXL engine. No JJs as well??? Maybe the armor type helps reduce damage enough.
Not every mech has Jump Jets. lol
But XXL engine is definitely one of the liabilities this design has.
@@BigRed40TECH I'm a big fan of mechs with jump jets. Especially with omnimechs since they are modular. Although if it were fast or armored enough it wouldn't matter. Like the speed of the Arctic Wolf 1
@@androssthered1157 Fair enough, but the Mad Cat series isn't exactly known for its jumping abilities to be fair. That's way more the Summoner.
Fantastic review; thorough and engaging.
Thank you kindly!
One of my favorite brawlers, I prefer running dual ATM 9s with the ER PPCs instead of the Streak SRM6s. The main issue with the prime variant is 2 of the 4 SSRM6s face rearwards. Also regarding the XXL engine, it actually generates 5 heat STANDING STILL, I feel like the chassis could benefit from running a smaller XL engine but would lose some of it's character. Performance wise its the Formula 1 car of battlemechs, with the price to match, it's high strung and fragile in certain places but can absolutely dominate in the hands of a skilled but possibly crazy pilot.
"Honor. That and twenty million C-Bills will buy you a BattleMech."
All HAIL the Ilclan !!!!!
What kind of Falcon are you? lol
@@BigRed40TECH I'm guessing he's the kind that is still alive.
@@juanfernandez1696 The ones that are still alive, oppose the Ilclan lol
@@BigRed40TECH I'm a Falcon behind on the novels .....
It's a really good Omni. My Wolf's Dragoons Star has one.
Nice. :)
Yep. I need this on my tabletop.
Hey Red, would you be able to make a video covering The Fisherman's guide to the Inner Sphere?
I don't think there is enough data to make a video on that.
@@BigRed40TECH nature finds a way
A beast of a mech to be sure
I think I prefer the Timberwolf a bit to it, but it's still very good.
@@BigRed40TECH can’t go wrong with the classics
Clan Sea Fox are the Ferengis of the BT Universe
Mad-Cat best mech.
The classic and the mech that got me into Battletech/MW. :)
Back during Dark Age I take it?
@@BigRed40TECH I think so. I played Mechwarrior back on Windows 95 era so maybe the MC3 (or Mad Cat). I'll learn for sure after I finish the video ! :)
@@BigRed40TECH May have been timberwolf, haha will say always loved the aesthetic quality of this bad mamma jamma.
That's a Timber Wolf, one of the predecessors to the Savage Wolf :)
I love it, your mod list looks a lot like my own.
I enjoyed making it. Dunno how I feel about the Savage Wolf in game, I think I might have preferred it in MWO. XD
Hell yes MechWarrior 5 mods
this thing looks so similar to the 90 ton madcat mkii in mw4.
What white mech is that behind the atlas with the two LRM-10s on its shoulders? 2:35
is the cauldron born/smoke jaguar coming? or dare is say the champion
Sadly, probably next year for that one.
I just added one to my Sapphire Dragons inventory actually. I've also got a Mad Cat II, I guess Seafox really are good salesmen.
For Clan Sea Fox, the only honor is profit.
Shameful display. lol
I promised myself I’d hold off on liking this until the XXL engine fixes its heat issues.
HAGs seem a bit niche, longer range amd colders than clan LRMs but very heavy. Probably very hard for any simulator game to balance, you can't make it too spready or it loses the long range accuracy and direct fire nature. I wonder if that's why the tineline stopped dead for MWO. Balancing MRMs that the pilot can aim themselves is probably hard enoughm
I think it's more the issue that it's not worth making big investments into a game which is going to be winding down sooner than later.
@@BigRed40TECH Fair but its modded form in YAML for MW5 is goofy OP. And does hilarious physics things with tanks and aero you hit.
Fed Suns has a detachable HAG 30 for their Atlas 3, no idea if it’s their own build one or imported.
Interesting that there was a Mad Cat IV, when there's also a Mad Cat Mk. IV in the form of that 90-ton angryboi. Because nothing says hello like quad Clan UAC/5s and twin ATM/12s.
The Savage Wolf is just a scam to make a more expensive Timber Wolf which is already quite expensive. Its only real benefit is its Ferro-Lamellor Armor for +20% better armor. The Savage Wolf costs 370% as much.
Clan Sea Fox really make a buck with the sales before the Dark Age.
Natasha Kerensky for a period piloted a more economical Stormcrow/Ryoken II equipped with 2 SRM-6s, 2 ER MLs, 2 ER PPCs, and 5 JJs but instead used an Extralight Engine and Ferro-Fibrous Armor. It was about 20% of the cost of the Savage Wolf she later used.
XXL Engines is a nice novelty but not useful for general use. The reason why the is increase in Heat. Since the XXL generates 5-7 more heat you have to equip more heat sinks, making the decreased weight pointless. The designs that could most benefit from an XXL Engine are not combat models, but scouts. Since scouts are lightly armed they do not generate as much heat. You could take a Spider, give it an XXL Engine and increases it movement range and speed by +50%,
i hope MWO moves forward the timeline. And this comes in.
MWO is unlikely to be supported much longer, sadly.
@@BigRed40TECH You're wrong about that.
A big reason why I think clan wolf more readily accepted the mad cat 4 and not the 2 or 3: 2 and 3 were complete reimaginings, the first turning it into an assault mech and the 3 into a medium mech; it was blatantly obvious these were just trying to coast on the success of the Timberwolf. The Mad cat 4 however isnt a reimagining, but a recreation of the original using technology that wasnt available at the time (and the loadouts reflect that): its purely a modernized timberwolf, and maybe its why clan wolf is more OK with it than the previous sea fox mad cats.
Honor among Sea Fox ended May 20 3052.
Completely agreed.
"Sorry, we can't hear your complaining over the sound of all this SWEET STUFF we've got!"
The Savage Wolf is an excellent unit, especially compared to Clan Wolf's rather incompetent attempt at replacing the Timber Wolf, the Savage Wolf. Strong configs, better protection, but more subject to overheating and critical hits on its engine, it's a solid succesor to the original Timber Wolf. The best part is that it's available to the entire Inner Sphere, Clan, IS nation and merc alike.
Mainly because it’s very expensive
Just because you bought it, doesn't mean you own it: That is also the motto for Ferrari.
Me as a Davion player hearing all these clan/kuritan mechs with special armour types: hmm yes i do love myself some RE lasers
What's that mech besides the savage wold in the end? It looks like a drone MAd dog
Mad Dog III I think.
Can you cover the mad cat 3?
What mech is the Tesla of mechs?
U MAD, CAT?
I will see myself out
Hold still. Your joke is a crime against the Clans. You have been sentenced to death.
No. I'm just a Catapult.
Sea Fox is going to have a vey bad day, mark my words...
I wish it were so, but I doubt it. lol
As a Clanner, even I want nothing to do with this ungodly abomination.
Sure, it CAN be decent. Even good, with the right equipment and being piloted by a suicidal psychopath. Just don't expect either to come back at the end of the day.
It's a bonus when they do make it home XD
You just made seafox my new favorite clan
Make money, then make more money
Awesome mercantile attitude
"Clanners hate them!" lol
I know the mad cat, and the mad cat mk2 but I've never heard of this one.. or the 3 for that matter
3 is a Medium Mech. :)
3 is a 55ton medium battlemech.
@@BigRed40TECH heh now I kinda wanna make a lance of just the various versions of the madcat
I would like to compare the Timberwolf / Mad Cat to the Dessert Eagle pistol.
It is big, loud, powerful and iconic. But is also ostentacious and very unwieldy for those with little or no experience.
You can use both to make a point and scare the majority, but do not expect the highest standards of practicallity nor hope to win wars by themselves.
about ferro-lamellor: if i'm correct, its 20% damage reductin or more. Basically for every 5 damage or less a single attack gives, you take off 1 point of damage. That means a 5 damage attack will deal 4 against ferro lamellor, but that a 6 damage attack will also be lowered down to 4, for a 30% damage reduction.
Even more interesting is that it renders LBX cluster ammo completely harmless, reducing all its hits to 0 damage, without a chance of critting or even hurting the pilot on headshots. Same applies to LRM missiles that end up as a 1 damage grouping. SRMs also suffer a lot against it, having their damage sliced in half no matter the size of the rack.
Overall its durability is an interesting topic: Itruns a bit hotter despite the heat sinks when on the move and once the armor is breached it dies faster than its ancestor, but said armor is also harder to crack in the first place. I think the fact its BV is basically the same as the timberwolf does say how comparable they are in the end. (hell, the timberwolf D and savage wolf have a measly ONE BV difference). Quirk wise the savage wolf is weird though.. its positive quirks only help when attacked by infantry trying to bust its legs or swarm it and when punched by other mechs to keep its footing, both of which suggesting a short range use the prime config isn't really suited for... while the timberwold gets weaker head armor (not that much of an issue since its only 1 point) and brings a REALLY useful medium range accuracy bonus quirk.
Yeah that's the way I've always played it.
Yes. It has a damage reduction factor this is being a bit overlooked IMO. Ignoring the first point of damage and every 5th point of damage after that per hit is extremely strong. No TAC, no AP rounds, no tandem charge warheads to cause cheap crits. It really is a fast Assault mech dressed as a Twolf, it would have been better served with more original weapon configurations.
@@edwingiddings4844 oh yeah.. that or even just not having half the SSRMs on the prime face backwards.. eitehr make them face foward, ot remove them for more heatsinks and energy weapons...
I did make a sheet for a variant with just that: more heatsinks, 2 small pulses in the CT, making it run way cooler, have more effective firepower,a nd have better close range capabilitya nd the ability to swat infantry, which is good since its quirks allows the savage wolf to not fear infantry as much
how did they get the MkIV into the Mechwarrior 5 game ?
Tis a mod!
that why i rather have the mad cat mk 2 as my favorite one
Rakshasha: I AM YOU BUT A FALIURE.
Savage Wolf: i am like Rakshasha, but i actually pull it off.
Question: is there a mad cat III? or a Clan Catapault?
Well, I know what Mech I want to add to my mercenary company.
beware, Fero Lamanar is expensive
if you are into the financial side of running a merc company,it could bankrupt you
is clan seafox just clan diamond shark?
Sea Fox turned into Diamond Shark. Diamond Shark then turned back into Sea Fox.
Yup. That's why I call them the Diamond Fox Sea Sharks.
Starting with the IV not the I?
People voted for it.
@@BigRed40TECH where is the poll?
It's voted for by the Channel Members. Votes are held on discord. :)
i notice most clan mechs dont have hands in exchange for weapon mounts. how much could a mech lift and carry?
Most clans also view melee combat as dishonorable, hence they lack such things as melee weapons and for the most part even hand actuators.
Nah. Mark 4 is family. Vin diesel said so.
Nothing's stronger than family.
@@BigRed40TECH Ghost Bear Remembrance, probably?
Ghost Bear Family, given how things go in A Question of Survival, uhhhhh... may not be that strong XD
Still made by Diamond Shark, so shark week continues?
XD
The Ultimate flex in flaunting your C-Bill/currency equivalent to everyone else hope your good enough to use it though.
Good.
Good.
What are you playing this on? PC and what game is it of mech warriors
PC, Mechwarrior 5, mods.
Is the mad cat gameplay in mw5 modded? I didn't think the game and clan stuff
Yea, that was a mod.
@@BigRed40TECH oh cool! They really should have a clan mechwarrior game though. Maybe in a few years
@@fpsempire0599 The license is going back into limbo soon.
I also doubt we'll get another clan-centric game anytime soon even if someone else does pick it up, as most players are sphere players, and they'll want the best chance of the game being successful.
Someone might do the Clan Invasion again, but it just depends on if anyone at all is interested in the property as a brand , as far as game devs are concerned.
@@BigRed40TECH wait, catalyst is losing the license? I did not know this
@@fpsempire0599 No. Catalyst doesn't make MECHWARRIOR. They make Battletech. PGI makes Mechwarrior, and they're not reupping their license.
Is the Savage Wolf available on MW5 Mercenaries?
Mod
Yea, The MK 3 is what you get when you design a Weapon during extended Peace.....
Huh? You’re now covering Clan/Dark Age mechs? I thought you’d go over all succession wars mechs first. Unless you made an announcement that I didn’t see.
Members voted for a few mechs for me to cover in-between TROs. I'm only covering 1 more before we hit TRO: 2750 :)
@@BigRed40TECH I see. No worries then. Good choice of mech to cover btw 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@goliathxanatos706 The members chose. lol
brands who are against self repair: Apple, McDonalds ice cream machines, John Deer, Clan Sea Fox
Can I actually use this mech in MW5M?
There is a mod.
@@BigRed40TECH ps4
@@redt-rex3808 :(
Well, this is what happens when you take a classic and trick it out with all the shiny kit. An obscenely expensive and controversially flawed mimic that trades on its looks (dubiously, a stunted "mad cat mkII").
I am unconvinced that it is in any way an improvement over the original it tries to supplant.
it is a downgrade when it comes to heat and internal durability. However, its a flat out upgrade in the armor department, its durability in that regard matching assault mechs in the worst of cases and flat out laughing at a few weapon systems like SRMs and LBX with cluster ammo. Overall, its an interesting tradeoff.
If you rewatch this a x2 speed the video gets a 300 percent watch rate. Exploit that TH-cam algorithm!
It's a fine steed, but man, I really just can't get over how stupid the arms look.
Also, isn't Chance Vickers the saKhan of Clan Wolf? I thought Anastasia was made Commanding General of the new SLDF.
Not to nitpick, I'm just not sure if I remember right and my Kindle needs to be charged.
Probably maybe. lol
I kinda always liked the Warhammer 2c over the mad cat
catapult with arms
Why do I get the feeling that Clan Sea Fox purposely sold the Savage Wolf so as to gather field combat data and use the profits from the sales to secretly develop more powerful mechs? The Savage Wolf is indeed a fearsome machine but it's got too many Achilles' heels and they are very subtle, it's not like the Clans to have such weaknesses in their mechs, it feels too deliberate unless I am reading too much into this.
They use them themselves too.
@@BigRed40TECH Diversity brings more results I guess but you gotta respect their cunning and brass balls, selling a mech based on the original chassis developed by Clan Wolf and then dangling it like a tasty piece of meat. The fact that Clan Wolf swallowed their pride and purchased despite the insult is quite mature, had it been a century ago there would be a Trial of Refusal to prevent Sea Fox from selling it but considering how vindictive the Wolf Khan is (RIP Wolf Dragoons) there will be a reckoning somewhere down the line.
Was supposed to be a joint under the table Jade Falcon and Sea Fox joint venture before it was found out. Could explain why the XXL is on the mech.
@@Gelb33 By the time Alaric "I am not my Mother's son!" Ward can try anything, the Shark Foxes will just hire ALL the mercs and give them the shiniest hardware they can issue and say, "FAFO, ilKhan." Especially since they bought out all the Comstar assets and may be able to bring the grid back online soon, the Sea-Bill really will be the new C-Bill.
@@EmperorPylades I can already imagine that.
I have to admiut I know very little about the game lore post-Jihad :\
Jihad itself sucks. But Dark Age's not bad, and I like Ilclan so far.
@@BigRed40TECH I found the Jihad to be interesting overall - not necessarily good but certainly a crazy twist. It was also in some ways less frustrating than the original Clan invasion, what with WoBs tech advancements being only a little ahead of the rest of the inner sphere (as opposed to vanilla inner sphere vs clan tech).
I remember when Dark Age was first releasd by heroclix and kinda feeling.. insulted by it? Id been playing tabletop since 86 and this new version of the game set many decades later felt off to me. So I never read any of the novels or whatnot, though I do have TROs. Are there any actual sourcebooks? Same with the Ilclan era?