You sold me! Just bought a Harbor Freight Hercules cordless Rotary Polisher. It was FREE with the purchase of two 5AH batteries and since I wanted the batteries.... It is $99 tool only. Used it today - it is really great, very smooth, not heavy and nicely balanced. I will be replacing the grease like Apex Detail always does - LOL!
Very recent rotary convert here after seeing Yvan's rotary video elsewhere. I'm have been an enthusiast detailer for 13 yrs with MULTIPLE DA polishers in my arsenal. This week experimented with rotary, waffle pads, 600rpm, and system 4000 pad washer. All I can say is WOW!! I'm a convert and this is a mind blower and total shift in polishing mindset for me. Thanks Yvan!
@tedrarrick165 personally, I've been cutting and finishing with a rotary all my life (basically 30yrs detailing professionally and on the side) and imo you get much better results. in the end, the paint seems to look a lot deeper and glossier when using a rotary. sure I do things differently though since I clay bar the whole vehicle as I wash it. after I use Meguires heavy compound with a white wool pad, then switch out to Meguires Glaze with a different white wool pad then use a hand glaze. once I do all that I do a ceramic coating and paint (especially black) looks really deep and glossy. even with all the new tech out I'm still doing things old school but in my defense detailing is basically a hobby for past 10yrs so haven't kept up on all the new products but definitely want to try out this DIY Gold Standard Polish. Imo though, nothing will ever beat using a rotary for buffing.
@@richardsalinetrojr1957 Sounds like you are a pro with the rotary! So far, have just used a polish pad and a finishing pad with a polish and an AIO with great results. Don't have the pad or experience yet to cut with it. Been using the pad washer between each pass. really like the simplicity and smoothness of rotary at 600 rpm
Awesome. Thanks guys. Only thing that might have made this better would have been readings from a gloss meter. Doesn't matter to me, I'm a "finish with the rotary" convert. Love the results and I finish the day without my hands buzzing from the 21mm.
I have an old rotary buried somewhere in my garage. I’ve recently been converted from a once every 6 week plus car washer, to a once a week weekend warrior ( I can’t call myself a detailer ) utilising all the latest products. I always fund my hobbies very well, and as such have been thinking of adding a DA to my arsenal. After watching this I don’t think I’ll bother, I’ll dig my polisher out and give it a whirl sometime this month. We’ve owned our car since new 6 years ago, it’s never been through a carwash so the paint is fairly good, no swirls, but I’m looking forward to seeing just how much shine I can get out of her. Thanks for the inspiration guys 👍
Great video. Perfectly answers the questions I have/had for awhile now. I love detailing my car but to be honest I have been unable to do a complete detail. As I was afraid of cutting the paint as the ol' tales tell. But this puts my mind at ease. You all are amazing and have a new follower.
Well vibration is a big concern for me with a neck issue and Yvan suggested rotary. I’m a total beginner so I thought I wasn’t good enough to try, but after watching more of ur videos maybe I can do it as a first machine polisher. Thanks for all the content!
I'm getting hooked on the rotary! I'm using an old one my grandpa has kept up with and it really does give more gloss. I also really really really like the gold standard system! Thank you Nick and Yvan!
I've been using rotary for 10 years. Everytime I get done it looks fantastic. Then after a couple days it gathers some dust and sun comes out and it looks EXTREMELY bad. I've watched a few of your videos now so maybe I got knowledge of why. I never cleaned my pads, went until the polish was dry thinking that is when the magic happens, didn't know the pad does the cutting and did the lift off technique because if I didn't the rotary would be jumping up and down. I get a forced rotation makita polisher today so I'm excited to see what I can do from learning from you and Pan.
old school here , rupes rotary corded , never had an issue , on a fresh paint , de nib 2000, farecla g3 liquid compound only , even old paint , very rarely did I polish , like you've stated it's the operator
Came from 7484 to 12,15,21mm throw then settled in forced rotation and rotary. I can say aside from producing great results i have less prep, im not as tired and cut my time compounding and polishing. You just got to give urself time and the right technique on using rotary. And as Ivan have pointed out which not mentioned with other videos is the noise that the DA produces is far more greater than the rotary.
Always used a DA but this really makes me want to try out a rotary and see. Looking at the 2 it seems like the rotary is just a much smoother and peaceful experience
I only wish you had larger 7 inch pads to try on my rotary. Been using the Gold Standard polish since it came out with my Rupes Pads (Rupes has more sizes) and it is a great combo for most of the polishing I do.
So I was looking to buy one or the other for my black 2009 Ctsv and noticed you were working on the same car!! Took your advice and I’m going with the rotary. Thanks guys
Good to see. The DA polishers seemed to be a trend to me, and all the majority of the content I watch online has these DAs. So I thought man, maybe I'm just a dinosaur and need to pick up a DA. I grew up with the rotary so that's what I've always used. I recently upgraded from my 20 year old corded Dewalt rotary to a cordless one, then started to second guess myself thinking I should have come into the new age with the DA even though I love the Dewalt rotary polishers I've had.
As a first time doing this to my gr supra i honestly am afraid to use a rotary. I really need a confirmation of if i should buy a rotary and start to polish with that or go with a DA for now and build practice. I do not want to damage my clear coat.
I'm ngl. My Makita 18v seems to be absolutely perfect for my style now. Slow, smooth and paid attention to everything you've taught. However it just feels perfect and finishes to a mirror. Perhaps it's not the best. But the forced rotary and dual action is butter smooth and the power never lets up.
That doesn’t look like the backing plate that comes with the Milwaukee rotary tool. Can you tell me if it’s just the model or is it an alternative that appears to to give the tool more battery clearance so you keep the pad flat on the surface?
Is the one Yvan used the milwaukee 7in polisher? On their product it doesn’t mention anything about rotary but I assume it the one because their other three do mention the DA.
Will I get a decent cut on the rotary with your microfiber pad? And if so what speed should I use for cutting? I see you say speed 1 for polish/Jeweling but what for cutting more efficiently? I want to invest in a decent polisher but only get one and am leaning to rotary for doing boats. I want to get diy cordless models once they come out but want something to use in the meantime. (i detail as a side business.)
The reduced vibration alone makes me want to try rotary again. When I learned rotary, we'd only use wool pads and it was tough to finish down, but if we switched to a finishing foam it would love to toss the machine around especially if the pad wasn't perfectly centered unless you held it on an angle. Sounds like I just learned poor practices with a rotary.
Great video,,, I had no idea. Yet companies push dual action all day long. Now how do you get finger nail scratches in door handle wells? My used Honda came with them,, just on drivers side.. figures right,, see them every day.
Why do I feel like when I’m not trying to use to much pressure the pad doesn’t really spin. That’s @ setting 2-3. If I bump it up faster I fear I may burn/ damage paint. Tips?
Can you guys go over what to do with trim pieces on a car? The flat black parts of various cars. My 2022 WRX for example, those fenders yikes. Do i have to tape them off?
Yes, correct and Thank you ;) You can use the uno Pure, Sonax super finish or next few super hyper the softest polish with softest pads of course and without Any pressure with DÁ, but ALWAYS do a very light swirls. :) few people see it ;) With rotary absolutely clear!
@@diydetailofficial Almost impossible to get a hologram free correction only using the rotary though. Not many pros use it anymore and I think just for that reason alone. I think you have to be highly skilled in the rotary to get it done without holograms.
I wonder if the rotary is more dangerous on angles and beveled surfaces. When I was new to mechanical polishers, I burned through my paint, not realizing even DA's can overdo it on raised edges.
so kind of the thing i picked up from this video is maybe use a DA polisher with compounds and maybe rotaries with polish and waxes which will do better with the gloss and eliminate higher changes of micro marring? edit: watched the last 3 minutes and you confirmed the cutting with DA and polish with the rotary lol thanks
I have a question I bought your Red Jeweling pad the 5' (it's actually 5,5 inch) why is it 5,5 and not 5'? It doesn't fit perfectly on my 125mm backing plate for the rotary, it sticks out that 0,5 inch. Can't find a 130mm backing plates anywhere here, ppl just don't use that size here in EU :/
@@diydetailofficial Thank you very much, it must be a really hard thing to anwser all our quesitons, especially that a lot of them just repeat, but your team is just so good and patient witch us :) A sign of a true educative chanel! Again thank you very much
Hi, I tried finishing with a mini rotary and 3 inch backing plate for the first time. Have to say, was a bit grabby and was taking me all over the place so I stopped. I know it would be hard to say, what could I have been doing wrong??
Hi Yvan i've heard detailers say that 'rotary polishers cant do 1 step corrections compared to a D.A , particularly on moderate-heavy defect paint' Do you think there is any truth to this statement and if not would you perhaps make a video/short to demonstrate that the rotary is capable of doing 1 steps even with a good amount of correction.
How much pressure are you applying down on the paint as you polish? I think I remember in another one of your videos its not much at all. Also can you do a vid of polishing a boat gel coat?
It seems like in the early 2000s when detailing online communities and new products started coming out, that the standard knowledge was that people who didn't know what they were doing/were beginners could more easily ruin their paints with a rotary then they could with a dual action, and that a DA PC was the standard. It wasn't the fault of the tool per se, but it earned a reputation also of being the more professional tool because of the margin for error.
What rotary is that? I'm looking at getting a Rupes in the future but looking for something less expensive until then. And I don't like the Griots they have out
@@diydetailofficial everyone has their own view of rpm... Some stay at the lower end with very slow arms' movement, others like to stay at 1000/1200 rpm with fast arms' speed. I guess everyone has their own way of working the rotary, still I agree that it gives the best finish... Although the 21mm has more cut it's not so agile in very tight spaces like the rotary with the pad inclined
A questions Ivan, if using a rotary polisher to both cut and finish, what pads are preferable for each step, Foam or Lambs Wool , and why ? I see you used Foam for your finish, could you have also used Lambs Wool?
I have problem with my DA rupes 15mkiii polisher on big panels with a lot of curves on the panel. As soon as the surface is not flat its very hard to find the corect angle going up down, left and right... so i endig up working with the rupes 3" machine wich takes forever to finish a car. Will rotory going to speed up my proces? I just cant understand how people work with the big rupes machines! Tnank for the viseo Also Ivan 😊
for the rotary how many rpm is good to use with?... whats the range?... i have a grinder which claim to be able to go as high as 12000 rpm with 6 speed setting
I made the mistake years ago buying the Flex 3403 lightweight rotary. It's slowest speed is 1,100 rpm. Is that too fast? Love the thing, but wish I could dial it down much slower.
Fact: Rotary polishers do create a visually higher level of gloss but mostly when used with all types of wool pads + compounds. Once the above is done, subsequent steps with Rotary would heighten the gloss even further. Its drawbacks: The lack of physical coaching thats available to newcomers who are humble and willing to admit they know nuts about machine polishing. Tendency to badly marr the surface (during compounding) thus requiring a very high degree of experience to accurately GUESS what pad and product combo to be used as Step 2 to fully remove Step 1’s marring. A much easier method but much slower and produces less than optimal gloss is to buy a DA from Walmart which requires absolutely no physical coaching. But then, you’d still be spending loads of money to buy lots of different pads, compounds, polishes to find out which combo suits you. Again, different clearcoats respond very differently. And thats where the BIG MONEY lies…making the user experiment endlessly.
@@diydetailofficialwill the forced rotation ‘correct’ more than a rotary due to it’s additional throw? I’m just wondering if i was going to have one machine that can correct/finish/and be time efficient - would the be the forced rotation or the rotary.
I learnt how to cut and polish at a detail shop 14 years ago, we used rotary's. Burnt through paint a couple times and learnt my lesson, rotary just feels much better. DA feels so strange
Probably good as a beginner to start with a DA and add a rotary to your arsenal later for better finishing, right? Asking for myself, just got a saker DA and trying to prevent me from marring my car up
New to this so any help is much appreciated. The Milwaukee rotary Ivan is using is spec'd as a 7" polisher, however, the DIY yellow and red pads are 6.25 or 5.25. Do you have to change the backing plate of the rotary to fit DIY pads? Thank you!
Dang, everytime I try a rotary it's so grabby and wants to fly out of my hands. Have to add more polish or tilt the pad to regain control. I know it's got to be me but I don't know what to do. Suggestions?
You need to center the pad, biggest mistake I see novice rotary polishers make, not having the pad centered. Once you get it centered the tool becomes easy to use.
@@diydetailofficial so I just received my Milwauke variable speed polisher but it has a 7 inch backing plate. I can’t seem to find any pads for it? Did you guys change out backing plate? Would like to get some pads to cut and paint correct and polish my black raven soft paint on my car
specifically curious about the milwaukee rotary, does battery position being vertical and not horizontal like the da cause any issues? And does the rpm give you enough? I know it's a little lower than a corded.
@@diydetailofficial Hey thanks for the repsonse! I'm definitely new to this game and love your videos. Im attempting to locate the best reliable cordless polisher. Lot on the market. What are you top 3?
For intermediate diy detailing... Any recommendations on a cordless rotary and a da?? Want to buy both.. Not chinese product...😅😅😅 Appreciate your input. Great videos...learning and learning from you guys.. Btw also polishing pads as any recommendations. Much success and. .. Much blessings 🙌 😎😎
Ivan would you recommend the rupes rotary or the flex rotary? The rupes has slightly lower rpm’s (450) in comparison to flex (600) and I know you mention the lower the better.
Hi there , i have a rotary polisher , but if you had to choose between the 15mm Milwaukee cordless da and the 21 mm Milwaukee da , which would be the best choice ?
How do you go about finishing our the small intricate parts around door handles and weird body lines with the big rotary? Is there a 3 inch rotary or something?
I wasn’t able to get the polish to come out of the sprayer for the longest time, are there any tricks I could use to get it to go through the tube quicker?
Question With a rotary an a wool pad for cutting does it leave swirl makes ? So I been using wool pad an black polishing pad after an it leaves swirls .could it be that polish drys fast ?
A wool pad will leave swirls for sure. That’s why we recommend cutting with our wool pad on a DA, it leaves a better surface. If the black pad you’re using isn’t a waffle, you will have problems finishing swirl free.
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It took me a year after first hearing from Yvan the rotary finishes better to believe. Yvan is 100% correct.
We've all been there, I'd say 9.9/10 he usually is 🤣
Thank you
Try the rotary method in sticky paint, I dare you. Both tools have their place.
I have wet sanded fresh clear coat with 3000 grit and have never been able to bring up the gloss with a da like I can with a rotary. Is this typical?
Yes
You sold me! Just bought a Harbor Freight Hercules cordless Rotary Polisher. It was FREE with the purchase of two 5AH batteries and since I wanted the batteries....
It is $99 tool only. Used it today - it is really great, very smooth, not heavy and nicely balanced. I will be replacing the grease like Apex Detail always does - LOL!
Excellent
Just take it slow to get used to the rotary polishers. Their harsher on the coating as the video says
Planning to get the Hercules cordless Rotary Polisher myself. How long did the battery last for you?
@@Tiny_totemNot exactly, they CAN BE harsher, it’s all in how you use it, used properly it’s less harsh than DA
Very recent rotary convert here after seeing Yvan's rotary video elsewhere. I'm have been an enthusiast detailer for 13 yrs with MULTIPLE DA polishers in my arsenal. This week experimented with rotary, waffle pads, 600rpm, and system 4000 pad washer. All I can say is WOW!! I'm a convert and this is a mind blower and total shift in polishing mindset for me. Thanks Yvan!
Thank you!
otary
thinking of going down this route do you cut with Da or rotary
@@broncoupe I'm still testing but I tried cutting with the DA and finishing out with the rotary with excellent results.
@tedrarrick165 personally, I've been cutting and finishing with a rotary all my life (basically 30yrs detailing professionally and on the side) and imo you get much better results. in the end, the paint seems to look a lot deeper and glossier when using a rotary. sure I do things differently though since I clay bar the whole vehicle as I wash it. after I use Meguires heavy compound with a white wool pad, then switch out to Meguires Glaze with a different white wool pad then use a hand glaze. once I do all that I do a ceramic coating and paint (especially black) looks really deep and glossy. even with all the new tech out I'm still doing things old school but in my defense detailing is basically a hobby for past 10yrs so haven't kept up on all the new products but definitely want to try out this DIY Gold Standard Polish. Imo though, nothing will ever beat using a rotary for buffing.
@@richardsalinetrojr1957 Sounds like you are a pro with the rotary! So far, have just used a polish pad and a finishing pad with a polish and an AIO with great results. Don't have the pad or experience yet to cut with it.
Been using the pad washer between each pass. really like the simplicity and smoothness of rotary at 600 rpm
Awesome. Thanks guys. Only thing that might have made this better would have been readings from a gloss meter. Doesn't matter to me, I'm a "finish with the rotary" convert. Love the results and I finish the day without my hands buzzing from the 21mm.
Great point, but even Nick could see the difference ( he wasn’t acting).
@@diydetailofficial hahahaha! I believe it. I've seen it on my test panels too. Never bothered to buy a gloss meter though 😊👍
How lucky is Nick to be able to work with the very knowledgeable Yvan!!!! Fast forward 1 yr and Nick will be a master with the rotary also!!!
Nick here… I just one stepped with rotary and gold standard polish/waffle pad…then coated with our ceramic coating. It looks awesome:)
I have an old rotary buried somewhere in my garage. I’ve recently been converted from a once every 6 week plus car washer, to a once a week weekend warrior ( I can’t call myself a detailer ) utilising all the latest products. I always fund my hobbies very well, and as such have been thinking of adding a DA to my arsenal. After watching this I don’t think I’ll bother, I’ll dig my polisher out and give it a whirl sometime this month.
We’ve owned our car since new 6 years ago, it’s never been through a carwash so the paint is fairly good, no swirls, but I’m looking forward to seeing just how much shine I can get out of her. Thanks for the inspiration guys 👍
Thank you!
Awesome! Have fun
Great video. Perfectly answers the questions I have/had for awhile now. I love detailing my car but to be honest I have been unable to do a complete detail. As I was afraid of cutting the paint as the ol' tales tell. But this puts my mind at ease. You all are amazing and have a new follower.
Thank you
Interesting stuff. Please create a video using the rotary on uneven surfaces:fenders hood, etc. explaining speed direction angles.
Thx
It’s on the list
It’s on the list
Well vibration is a big concern for me with a neck issue and Yvan suggested rotary. I’m a total beginner so I thought I wasn’t good enough to try, but after watching more of ur videos maybe I can do it as a first machine polisher. Thanks for all the content!
You can do it!
Me too. Total beginner here. Great video.
Thank you for showing in real time, it's really helpful to see the actual technique in real time.
Thank you for watching it!!
Yvan has been very convincing over the years...just received my Flex PE14 today and can't wait to polish with it this weekend!
Congratulations. It's the luxury sedan of the rotary polishers. It can also mow gel coat all day alongside much bigger noisier machines.
Please let us know how you like it.
Excellent way of describing it David
@David Ruggles thanks, David! Glad to hear it. Looking forward to it!😁
@@davidruggles996What would you refer to the Milwaukee rotary as 🤔
Big fan of the rotary myself, I've yet to try your Gold standard polish with it. I've tried it with a Da and was very impressed .
Good to know!
I'm getting hooked on the rotary! I'm using an old one my grandpa has kept up with and it really does give more gloss. I also really really really like the gold standard system! Thank you Nick and Yvan!
That is awesome!
I have a really old and heavy 2 speed Ingersoll rand. Still works but damn it's heavy.
I've been using rotary for 10 years. Everytime I get done it looks fantastic. Then after a couple days it gathers some dust and sun comes out and it looks EXTREMELY bad. I've watched a few of your videos now so maybe I got knowledge of why. I never cleaned my pads, went until the polish was dry thinking that is when the magic happens, didn't know the pad does the cutting and did the lift off technique because if I didn't the rotary would be jumping up and down. I get a forced rotation makita polisher today so I'm excited to see what I can do from learning from you and Pan.
The pad and polish definitely make a difference.
old school here , rupes rotary corded , never had an issue , on a fresh paint , de nib 2000, farecla g3 liquid compound only , even old paint , very rarely did I polish , like you've stated it's the operator
The rotary has never died for a reason.
Please provide with the link to the cordless rotory polisher you are using in this video
It’s a Milwaukee
Came from 7484 to 12,15,21mm throw then settled in forced rotation and rotary. I can say aside from producing great results i have less prep, im not as tired and cut my time compounding and polishing. You just got to give urself time and the right technique on using rotary. And as Ivan have pointed out which not mentioned with other videos is the noise that the DA produces is far more greater than the rotary.
Excellent! Yes it’s much more relaxing.
Always used a DA but this really makes me want to try out a rotary and see. Looking at the 2 it seems like the rotary is just a much smoother and peaceful experience
Correct
I only wish you had larger 7 inch pads to try on my rotary. Been using the Gold Standard polish since it came out with my Rupes Pads (Rupes has more sizes) and it is a great combo for most of the polishing I do.
With a 6 inch backing plate you can use our pads.
So I was looking to buy one or the other for my black 2009 Ctsv and noticed you were working on the same car!! Took your advice and I’m going with the rotary.
Thanks guys
Sounds like serendipity! lol
Yvan, at what speed do you use the rotary to do polishing? If I remember correctly, do you recommend speed one?
The lowest speed possible
Good to see. The DA polishers seemed to be a trend to me, and all the majority of the content I watch online has these DAs. So I thought man, maybe I'm just a dinosaur and need to pick up a DA. I grew up with the rotary so that's what I've always used. I recently upgraded from my 20 year old corded Dewalt rotary to a cordless one, then started to second guess myself thinking I should have come into the new age with the DA even though I love the Dewalt rotary polishers I've had.
The machine isn’t important, what is important is how you use it.
Hello guys
What’s the brand of the yellow backing plate used in the rotary or where can I purchase? Thanks
Buff and Shine makes great backing plates
As a first time doing this to my gr supra i honestly am afraid to use a rotary. I really need a confirmation of if i should buy a rotary and start to polish with that or go with a DA for now and build practice. I do not want to damage my clear coat.
Start with a scrap panel to test.
Been using a rotary polisher for years and yes the gloss is insane.
Thank you.
I e had my same dewalt buffer since the 90’s and it hasn’t failed me yet 😂 the Rupes we have at work always seems to give problems. User error somehow
Engineering error
I'm ngl. My Makita 18v seems to be absolutely perfect for my style now. Slow, smooth and paid attention to everything you've taught. However it just feels perfect and finishes to a mirror. Perhaps it's not the best. But the forced rotary and dual action is butter smooth and the power never lets up.
Excellent
That doesn’t look like the backing plate that comes with the Milwaukee rotary tool. Can you tell me if it’s just the model or is it an alternative that appears to to give the tool more battery clearance so you keep the pad flat on the surface?
we love that yellow backing plate, it's from Lake Country Manufacturing, a 6-inch rotary backing plate
This was great. I’m about to use a B&D rotary and I am nervous. Thank you so much!!!
Good luck!
Which DA polisher size is most versatile for DIY detailer Or weekend warriors?
5 inch.
Love your products! The ceramic spray polish is my fav!
Thank you.
Is the one Yvan used the milwaukee 7in polisher? On their product it doesn’t mention anything about rotary but I assume it the one because their other three do mention the DA.
Yes, it is the Milwaukee rotary.
Will I get a decent cut on the rotary with your microfiber pad?
And if so what speed should I use for cutting? I see you say speed 1 for polish/Jeweling but what for cutting more efficiently?
I want to invest in a decent polisher but only get one and am leaning to rotary for doing boats.
I want to get diy cordless models once they come out but want something to use in the meantime.
(i detail as a side business.)
Also wondering if you've had any experience with the lake country udos multi function polishers - would that be my best move?
Our wool pad works well on a Rotary, keep the speed under 1000 rpm. It’s proven to not be a good solution.
The reduced vibration alone makes me want to try rotary again. When I learned rotary, we'd only use wool pads and it was tough to finish down, but if we switched to a finishing foam it would love to toss the machine around especially if the pad wasn't perfectly centered unless you held it on an angle. Sounds like I just learned poor practices with a rotary.
Clean , damp, waffle pads, and speeds under 1000 rpm
Can you try just a touch with the rotary at higher speed just to check if paint gets damage or not?
You can and live with the consequences if you try.
Great video,,, I had no idea. Yet companies push dual action all day long. Now how do you get finger nail scratches in door handle wells? My used Honda came with them,, just on drivers side.. figures right,, see them every day.
Try a DIY Detail Tree Sap Remover. If not, DIY Detail Gold Standard Polish on a MF Towel.
U guys are good together and waffle pad are some much easy to use when using a machine alot
Thank you
Why do I feel like when I’m not trying to use to much pressure the pad doesn’t really spin. That’s @ setting 2-3. If I bump it up faster I fear I may burn/ damage paint. Tips?
Only hold the front of the machine with one finger.
Can you guys go over what to do with trim pieces on a car? The flat black parts of various cars. My 2022 WRX for example, those fenders yikes. Do i have to tape them off?
No need to tape off trim, in fact, with our yellow gold waffle pad, we like to polish the trim using the Gold Standard polish 👍
I really wish Milwaukee would update their rotaries orientation of the battery like the newer DA 15/21 have
Agreed
Yes, correct and Thank you ;) You can use the uno Pure, Sonax super finish or next few super hyper the softest polish with softest pads of course and without Any pressure with DÁ, but ALWAYS do a very light swirls. :) few people see it ;) With rotary absolutely clear!
Good to know!
So 2 step with da then rotary but if you’re just performing a 2 step what would you both recommend for optimal results
DA to cut, Rotary to finish.
@@diydetailofficial meant to say 1 step sorry
@@diydetailofficial Almost impossible to get a hologram free correction only using the rotary though. Not many pros use it anymore and I think just for that reason alone. I think you have to be highly skilled in the rotary to get it done without holograms.
Yvan trained a 12 year old to finish with a rotary today.
so would the 8mm flex xce cordless finish better than the milwakee 21mm since 8mm is closer to the 0 throw of a rotary.
Correct
What backing plate are you using for the rotary. I can't find any plate other than an official replacement part from Milwaukee.
This is from Lake Country Manufacturing.
Appreciate the real-time technique
Thanks
I wonder if the rotary is more dangerous on angles and beveled surfaces. When I was new to mechanical polishers, I burned through my paint, not realizing even DA's can overdo it on raised edges.
It’s very pad and technique dependent
so kind of the thing i picked up from this video is maybe use a DA polisher with compounds and maybe rotaries with polish and waxes which will do better with the gloss and eliminate higher changes of micro marring?
edit: watched the last 3 minutes and you confirmed the cutting with DA and polish with the rotary lol thanks
Thank you.
I’ve been unable to find a Milwaukee cordless rotary with 6000 rpm. Where did you get that machine from, and is it still available?
600 rpm, not 6000
Thanks... having the same question!
Hopefully this answered it for you
I have a question I bought your Red Jeweling pad the 5' (it's actually 5,5 inch) why is it 5,5 and not 5'? It doesn't fit perfectly on my 125mm backing plate for the rotary, it sticks out that 0,5 inch. Can't find a 130mm backing plates anywhere here, ppl just don't use that size here in EU :/
It’s normal to have a slight overhang
@@diydetailofficial Thank you very much, it must be a really hard thing to anwser all our quesitons, especially that a lot of them just repeat, but your team is just so good and patient witch us :) A sign of a true educative chanel! Again thank you very much
Do video on how to cause swirls and Morin and how to get rid of them ❤
Good idea
Hi, I tried finishing with a mini rotary and 3 inch backing plate for the first time. Have to say, was a bit grabby and was taking me all over the place so I stopped. I know it would be hard to say, what could I have been doing wrong??
A few possibilities, dry pad, flat pad, too much pressure, too high speed, too much product on the pad.
@@diydetailofficialThank you! Will keep these things in mind.
So would I be correct to say that dry flatting and compounding is good with the da but final polish with rotary?
Correct
Hi Yvan i've heard detailers say that 'rotary polishers cant do 1 step corrections compared to a D.A , particularly on moderate-heavy defect paint' Do you think there is any truth to this statement and if not would you perhaps make a video/short to demonstrate that the rotary is capable of doing 1 steps even with a good amount of correction.
The 21mm stroke random orbital is the best choice for that. Yes I’ve done it with a rotary, but the 21mm machine cuts faster.
How much pressure are you applying down on the paint as you polish? I think I remember in another one of your videos its not much at all. Also can you do a vid of polishing a boat gel coat?
No pressure at all. It’s on our to do list
It seems like in the early 2000s when detailing online communities and new products started coming out, that the standard knowledge was that people who didn't know what they were doing/were beginners could more easily ruin their paints with a rotary then they could with a dual action, and that a DA PC was the standard. It wasn't the fault of the tool per se, but it earned a reputation also of being the more professional tool because of the margin for error.
Very unfortunate
Amazing! Never seen a demo like this before. Can you achieve better D/A polisher results with a 2 step approach? A compound + polish correction? Thnx.
If Yvan wants to cut, he will use a dual action machine with wool but always likes to finish with the rotary and a foam pad 👍
What rotary is that? I'm looking at getting a Rupes in the future but looking for something less expensive until then. And I don't like the Griots they have out
That’s a Milwaukee cordless, The Flex PE14-2 is universally regarded as the best in the industry, the Maxshine is a good budget friendly alternative.
@@diydetailofficial I appreciate it. Will be looking to get one so I can get back to paint correction.
What's your take on Zenith technique with rotary? Starting slow, slowly increase the speed and slow down again
No need, stay at the lowest speed.
@@diydetailofficial everyone has their own view of rpm... Some stay at the lower end with very slow arms' movement, others like to stay at 1000/1200 rpm with fast arms' speed. I guess everyone has their own way of working the rotary, still I agree that it gives the best finish... Although the 21mm has more cut it's not so agile in very tight spaces like the rotary with the pad inclined
A questions Ivan, if using a rotary polisher to both cut and finish, what pads are preferable for each step, Foam or Lambs Wool , and why ? I see you used Foam for your finish, could you have also used Lambs Wool?
Wool to cut, foam to finish
@@diydetailofficial Thank you for your reply
How do use a rotary on curves and surfaces that are not flat?
Take a look at this video
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I have problem with my DA rupes 15mkiii polisher on big panels with a lot of curves on the panel. As soon as the surface is not flat its very hard to find the corect angle going up down, left and right... so i endig up working with the rupes 3" machine wich takes forever to finish a car. Will rotory going to speed up my proces? I just cant understand how people work with the big rupes machines!
Tnank for the viseo
Also Ivan 😊
It takes practice to use both machines. Be careful to not put any pressure on your machine, and avoid using pads with a flat face.
for the rotary how many rpm is good to use with?... whats the range?... i have a grinder which claim to be able to go as high as 12000 rpm with 6 speed setting
400-800 rpm maximum, a grinder is too fast.
Liked the short video and well explained however, I wish we could seen the finish polish more closely.
We will be making more videos on this subject.
I made the mistake years ago buying the Flex 3403 lightweight rotary. It's slowest speed is 1,100 rpm. Is that too fast? Love the thing, but wish I could dial it down much slower.
Yvan likes 4-800 rpm
Fact:
Rotary polishers do create a visually higher level of gloss but mostly when used with all types of wool pads + compounds.
Once the above is done, subsequent steps with Rotary would heighten the gloss even further.
Its drawbacks:
The lack of physical coaching thats available to newcomers who are humble and willing to admit they know nuts about machine polishing.
Tendency to badly marr the surface (during compounding) thus requiring a very high degree of experience to accurately GUESS what pad and product combo to be used as Step 2 to fully remove Step 1’s marring.
A much easier method but much slower and produces less than optimal gloss is to buy a DA from Walmart which requires absolutely no physical coaching. But then, you’d still be spending loads of money to buy lots of different pads, compounds, polishes to find out which combo suits you. Again, different clearcoats respond very differently. And thats where the BIG MONEY lies…making the user experiment endlessly.
Thank you
Hi. What about the forced action like a flex 3401 vrg are they micro marring too or..?
Yes it will give micro marring, but less than a long throw DA.
@@diydetailofficialwill the forced rotation ‘correct’ more than a rotary due to it’s additional throw?
I’m just wondering if i was going to have one machine that can correct/finish/and be time efficient - would the be the forced rotation or the rotary.
I learnt how to cut and polish at a detail shop 14 years ago, we used rotary's. Burnt through paint a couple times and learnt my lesson, rotary just feels much better. DA feels so strange
Thank you.
Is there a difference between Lake Country yellow and black backing plates?
New manufacturer
What size jewel pad should I buy if I have this Milwaukee Rotary?
5.5 or 6.5 inch. It’s personal preference, and what size backing plate you use.
Does that mean gear driven DA will finish like a rotary since the orbit and rotation is fixed ?
No , a Rotary is in a league of its own.
Do you also recommend rotary for beginners? I want to buy my first polisher
Yes, you might enjoy this video
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@@diydetailofficial You were right, I did enjoy that video! :) Good job!
It would be nice if you showed the results, but great knowledge sharing, as usual 👍🏻 Subscribed! (after watching two videos 😊)
Thanks for the sub!
Probably good as a beginner to start with a DA and add a rotary to your arsenal later for better finishing, right? Asking for myself, just got a saker DA and trying to prevent me from marring my car up
That’s fine
Would of been interesting to see what a gloss meter readings were on both sides of the trunk.
Soon
New to this so any help is much appreciated. The Milwaukee rotary Ivan is using is spec'd as a 7" polisher, however, the DIY yellow and red pads are 6.25 or 5.25. Do you have to change the backing plate of the rotary to fit DIY pads? Thank you!
Yes you can buy backing plates in various sizes.
Thanks for the tip. Hi from Réunion Island!
Bonjour!
Will you have more towels. Like the low nap black with the red trim towel. ?
We have new towels on the way.
Dang, everytime I try a rotary it's so grabby and wants to fly out of my hands. Have to add more polish or tilt the pad to regain control. I know it's got to be me but I don't know what to do. Suggestions?
Sounds like your using a flat pad.
@@diydetailofficial yes,is the secret a waffle pad then?
You need to center the pad, biggest mistake I see novice rotary polishers make, not having the pad centered. Once you get it centered the tool becomes easy to use.
So would you say I can use the variable speed rotary polisher to do a paint correction on my black vehicle?
Yes, at the lowest speed.
@@diydetailofficial so I just received my Milwauke variable speed polisher but it has a 7 inch backing plate. I can’t seem to find any pads for it? Did you guys change out backing plate? Would like to get some pads to cut and paint correct and polish my black raven soft paint on my car
Very interesting and good teaching video but I would have liked u to do it on a matte car qnd then show the results.
You should never polish matte paint.
So is a rotary still the better option on a 1 step with little clear coat?
Yes, it cuts less than a DA and provides more gloss.
@@diydetailofficial imma try it which rotary is recommended?
Your choice 4-600 rpm is ideal
specifically curious about the milwaukee rotary, does battery position being vertical and not horizontal like the da cause any issues? And does the rpm give you enough? I know it's a little lower than a corded.
Its fine, but you need to get used to it
What are you thoughts on the Ryobi dual action polisher?
I have one, nice light machine with an 8mm throw.
@@diydetailofficial Hey thanks for the repsonse! I'm definitely new to this game and love your videos. Im attempting to locate the best reliable cordless polisher. Lot on the market. What are you top 3?
For intermediate diy detailing...
Any recommendations on a cordless rotary and a da??
Want to buy both..
Not chinese product...😅😅😅
Appreciate your input.
Great videos...learning and learning from you guys..
Btw also polishing pads as any recommendations.
Much success and. ..
Much blessings 🙌
😎😎
For the polishers we have used Milwaukee successfully. For the pads use our pads from The Gold Standard Polishing System .
@@diydetailofficial Milwaukee has both?
Cordless rotary and dual action that may know of?
Ty for your response.
😎😎🙌
@ppg19782 yes they have a 15mm, 21mm and rotary.
@@diydetailofficial 😎😎🙏
Much blessings 🙌
Have a nice weekend.
How long does your ceramic spray polish last for on a un garaged daily driver on average guy's please?
3-6 months
Ivan would you recommend the rupes rotary or the flex rotary? The rupes has slightly lower rpm’s (450) in comparison to flex (600) and I know you mention the lower the better.
The flex for its superior ergonomics.
Hi there , i have a rotary polisher , but if you had to choose between the 15mm Milwaukee cordless da and the 21 mm Milwaukee da , which would be the best choice ?
21mm for cutting/compounding for sure
@@diydetailofficial can the 21 mm be used for finish as well , or use the rotary for that ?
Dual action to cut, rotary to finish :)
@@diydetailofficial thank you
Thank you for the questions
How do you go about finishing our the small intricate parts around door handles and weird body lines with the big rotary? Is there a 3 inch rotary or something?
Yes you can use a smaller backing plate, but most areas can be done with a 6 inch pad.
I have a Dewalt rotary. It’s a bit heavy, so, I use it only on large/flat surfaces. Works great.
Definitely a workhorse.
Hi what speed do you run the rotary polisher at ?
The lowest it will go
You mentioned that you use a DA to cut and a Rotary to finish. If I don’t want to invest in two types of polishers, which one do you recommend?
Your choice, they both work
Y’all are good stuff, adding to my cart!
Please do! And we have a sale this weekend as well:)
I wasn’t able to get the polish to come out of the sprayer for the longest time, are there any tricks I could use to get it to go through the tube quicker?
What size backing plate does the 6” yellow waffle pad use Thank you
On a rotary 5.5 to 6 inch
When I am about to purchase a DA, I just got confused again. I have both rotary and DA but a cheap version. I just suck.
Both tools will give you great results, use the one you enjoy working with.
Would rotary with red pad be enough for me to take to a professionally paint corrected and coated car so I can add hydro lite
Best to use The Gold Standard Polishing System lightly first.
@@diydetailofficial I'll use GS Polish. Is the jewel pad strong enough by itself to remove ceramic coating or would I have to try all 3 and see
The gold pad
Is the Harbor Freight Forced Rotation DA a hybrid between a Rotary and a DA polisher? Does it cause micromarring?
Yes, it’s not a hybrid. It’s simply a DA that the rotation is forced instead of being a byproduct of centrifugal force.
@@diydetailofficial Do you know if the HF Forced Rotation DA causes micro marring? Wasn't clear in your previous answer. Thanks.
Any DA has the capacity to cause micro marring.
What model numbers are each of those machines? Do you recommend 5"or 7"?
5 or 6 inch, it’s personal preference
Question With a rotary an a wool pad for cutting does it leave swirl makes ? So I been using wool pad an black polishing pad after an it leaves swirls .could it be that polish drys fast ?
A wool pad will leave swirls for sure. That’s why we recommend cutting with our wool pad on a DA, it leaves a better surface. If the black pad you’re using isn’t a waffle, you will have problems finishing swirl free.
@@diydetailofficial appreciate the answer.👍 Will check out your polishing pads