TEST: Does a rotary polisher give you shinier paint than a dual action (D.A.) machine?
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- In this video, Nick and Yvan go head to head: both using the Gold Standard Polish and Gold Standard Waffle Pad, but both using different machines.
Yvan uses a rotary, and explains his technique.
Nick uses a dual action polisher, and uses his normal finishing process.
Who gets shinier paint?!
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It took me a year after first hearing from Yvan the rotary finishes better to believe. Yvan is 100% correct.
We've all been there, I'd say 9.9/10 he usually is 🤣
Thank you
Try the rotary method in sticky paint, I dare you. Both tools have their place.
I have wet sanded fresh clear coat with 3000 grit and have never been able to bring up the gloss with a da like I can with a rotary. Is this typical?
Yes
How lucky is Nick to be able to work with the very knowledgeable Yvan!!!! Fast forward 1 yr and Nick will be a master with the rotary also!!!
Nick here… I just one stepped with rotary and gold standard polish/waffle pad…then coated with our ceramic coating. It looks awesome:)
Very recent rotary convert here after seeing Yvan's rotary video elsewhere. I'm have been an enthusiast detailer for 13 yrs with MULTIPLE DA polishers in my arsenal. This week experimented with rotary, waffle pads, 600rpm, and system 4000 pad washer. All I can say is WOW!! I'm a convert and this is a mind blower and total shift in polishing mindset for me. Thanks Yvan!
Thank you!
otary
thinking of going down this route do you cut with Da or rotary
@@broncoupe I'm still testing but I tried cutting with the DA and finishing out with the rotary with excellent results.
@tedrarrick165 personally, I've been cutting and finishing with a rotary all my life (basically 30yrs detailing professionally and on the side) and imo you get much better results. in the end, the paint seems to look a lot deeper and glossier when using a rotary. sure I do things differently though since I clay bar the whole vehicle as I wash it. after I use Meguires heavy compound with a white wool pad, then switch out to Meguires Glaze with a different white wool pad then use a hand glaze. once I do all that I do a ceramic coating and paint (especially black) looks really deep and glossy. even with all the new tech out I'm still doing things old school but in my defense detailing is basically a hobby for past 10yrs so haven't kept up on all the new products but definitely want to try out this DIY Gold Standard Polish. Imo though, nothing will ever beat using a rotary for buffing.
@@richardsalinetrojr1957 Sounds like you are a pro with the rotary! So far, have just used a polish pad and a finishing pad with a polish and an AIO with great results. Don't have the pad or experience yet to cut with it.
Been using the pad washer between each pass. really like the simplicity and smoothness of rotary at 600 rpm
Awesome. Thanks guys. Only thing that might have made this better would have been readings from a gloss meter. Doesn't matter to me, I'm a "finish with the rotary" convert. Love the results and I finish the day without my hands buzzing from the 21mm.
Great point, but even Nick could see the difference ( he wasn’t acting).
@@diydetailofficial hahahaha! I believe it. I've seen it on my test panels too. Never bothered to buy a gloss meter though 😊👍
You sold me! Just bought a Harbor Freight Hercules cordless Rotary Polisher. It was FREE with the purchase of two 5AH batteries and since I wanted the batteries....
It is $99 tool only. Used it today - it is really great, very smooth, not heavy and nicely balanced. I will be replacing the grease like Apex Detail always does - LOL!
Excellent
Just take it slow to get used to the rotary polishers. Their harsher on the coating as the video says
Planning to get the Hercules cordless Rotary Polisher myself. How long did the battery last for you?
I have an old rotary buried somewhere in my garage. I’ve recently been converted from a once every 6 week plus car washer, to a once a week weekend warrior ( I can’t call myself a detailer ) utilising all the latest products. I always fund my hobbies very well, and as such have been thinking of adding a DA to my arsenal. After watching this I don’t think I’ll bother, I’ll dig my polisher out and give it a whirl sometime this month.
We’ve owned our car since new 6 years ago, it’s never been through a carwash so the paint is fairly good, no swirls, but I’m looking forward to seeing just how much shine I can get out of her. Thanks for the inspiration guys 👍
Thank you!
Awesome! Have fun
Thank you for showing in real time, it's really helpful to see the actual technique in real time.
Thank you for watching it!!
Well vibration is a big concern for me with a neck issue and Yvan suggested rotary. I’m a total beginner so I thought I wasn’t good enough to try, but after watching more of ur videos maybe I can do it as a first machine polisher. Thanks for all the content!
You can do it!
Me too. Total beginner here. Great video.
Great video. Perfectly answers the questions I have/had for awhile now. I love detailing my car but to be honest I have been unable to do a complete detail. As I was afraid of cutting the paint as the ol' tales tell. But this puts my mind at ease. You all are amazing and have a new follower.
Thank you
I'm getting hooked on the rotary! I'm using an old one my grandpa has kept up with and it really does give more gloss. I also really really really like the gold standard system! Thank you Nick and Yvan!
That is awesome!
I have a really old and heavy 2 speed Ingersoll rand. Still works but damn it's heavy.
Yvan has been very convincing over the years...just received my Flex PE14 today and can't wait to polish with it this weekend!
Congratulations. It's the luxury sedan of the rotary polishers. It can also mow gel coat all day alongside much bigger noisier machines.
Please let us know how you like it.
Excellent way of describing it David
@David Ruggles thanks, David! Glad to hear it. Looking forward to it!😁
@@davidruggles996What would you refer to the Milwaukee rotary as 🤔
Interesting stuff. Please create a video using the rotary on uneven surfaces:fenders hood, etc. explaining speed direction angles.
Thx
It’s on the list
It’s on the list
I've been using rotary for 10 years. Everytime I get done it looks fantastic. Then after a couple days it gathers some dust and sun comes out and it looks EXTREMELY bad. I've watched a few of your videos now so maybe I got knowledge of why. I never cleaned my pads, went until the polish was dry thinking that is when the magic happens, didn't know the pad does the cutting and did the lift off technique because if I didn't the rotary would be jumping up and down. I get a forced rotation makita polisher today so I'm excited to see what I can do from learning from you and Pan.
The pad and polish definitely make a difference.
Big fan of the rotary myself, I've yet to try your Gold standard polish with it. I've tried it with a Da and was very impressed .
Good to know!
Love your products! The ceramic spray polish is my fav!
Thank you.
Always used a DA but this really makes me want to try out a rotary and see. Looking at the 2 it seems like the rotary is just a much smoother and peaceful experience
Correct
Been using a rotary polisher for years and yes the gloss is insane.
Thank you.
old school here , rupes rotary corded , never had an issue , on a fresh paint , de nib 2000, farecla g3 liquid compound only , even old paint , very rarely did I polish , like you've stated it's the operator
The rotary has never died for a reason.
So I was looking to buy one or the other for my black 2009 Ctsv and noticed you were working on the same car!! Took your advice and I’m going with the rotary.
Thanks guys
Sounds like serendipity! lol
Good to see. The DA polishers seemed to be a trend to me, and all the majority of the content I watch online has these DAs. So I thought man, maybe I'm just a dinosaur and need to pick up a DA. I grew up with the rotary so that's what I've always used. I recently upgraded from my 20 year old corded Dewalt rotary to a cordless one, then started to second guess myself thinking I should have come into the new age with the DA even though I love the Dewalt rotary polishers I've had.
The machine isn’t important, what is important is how you use it.
Appreciate the real-time technique
Thanks
U guys are good together and waffle pad are some much easy to use when using a machine alot
Thank you
I'm ngl. My Makita 18v seems to be absolutely perfect for my style now. Slow, smooth and paid attention to everything you've taught. However it just feels perfect and finishes to a mirror. Perhaps it's not the best. But the forced rotary and dual action is butter smooth and the power never lets up.
Excellent
It seems like in the early 2000s when detailing online communities and new products started coming out, that the standard knowledge was that people who didn't know what they were doing/were beginners could more easily ruin their paints with a rotary then they could with a dual action, and that a DA PC was the standard. It wasn't the fault of the tool per se, but it earned a reputation also of being the more professional tool because of the margin for error.
Very unfortunate
Thanks... having the same question!
Hopefully this answered it for you
This was great. I’m about to use a B&D rotary and I am nervous. Thank you so much!!!
Good luck!
Yes, correct and Thank you ;) You can use the uno Pure, Sonax super finish or next few super hyper the softest polish with softest pads of course and without Any pressure with DÁ, but ALWAYS do a very light swirls. :) few people see it ;) With rotary absolutely clear!
Good to know!
I only wish you had larger 7 inch pads to try on my rotary. Been using the Gold Standard polish since it came out with my Rupes Pads (Rupes has more sizes) and it is a great combo for most of the polishing I do.
With a 6 inch backing plate you can use our pads.
I learnt how to cut and polish at a detail shop 14 years ago, we used rotary's. Burnt through paint a couple times and learnt my lesson, rotary just feels much better. DA feels so strange
Thank you.
Do video on how to cause swirls and Morin and how to get rid of them ❤
Good idea
Thanks for the tip. Hi from Réunion Island!
Bonjour!
Y’all are good stuff, adding to my cart!
Please do! And we have a sale this weekend as well:)
I wasn’t able to get the polish to come out of the sprayer for the longest time, are there any tricks I could use to get it to go through the tube quicker?
Thank you guys, going rotary
Enjoy
I really wish Milwaukee would update their rotaries orientation of the battery like the newer DA 15/21 have
Agreed
Came from 7484 to 12,15,21mm throw then settled in forced rotation and rotary. I can say aside from producing great results i have less prep, im not as tired and cut my time compounding and polishing. You just got to give urself time and the right technique on using rotary. And as Ivan have pointed out which not mentioned with other videos is the noise that the DA produces is far more greater than the rotary.
Excellent! Yes it’s much more relaxing.
I cut and polish with the rotary. I add protective waxes with the DA.
Good
@diydetailofficial Great content, by the way. Keep it coming. 👍🏾👍🏾
It is MIND BLOWING how everyone’s opinions are so different as far as what is best for what. 😅
Correct, and everyone is right.
Hmm... I already have the Milwaukee DA with 15mm throw. I might have to get a rotary for the final finish.
Enjoy
Damn you guys! You got me sold..lol
Thank you
Never in the HISTORY of EVER have i seen a couple sprits of polish polish such a large surface area.
That’s the goal
Liked the short video and well explained however, I wish we could seen the finish polish more closely.
We will be making more videos on this subject.
Dope video guys always learning something new with you guys. 👍👍👍
Glad to hear it!
Glad to hear it!
Glad to hear it!
The Rotary is the way guys! Less vibration should be a selling point on its own!
Agreed
Fact:
Rotary polishers do create a visually higher level of gloss but mostly when used with all types of wool pads + compounds.
Once the above is done, subsequent steps with Rotary would heighten the gloss even further.
Its drawbacks:
The lack of physical coaching thats available to newcomers who are humble and willing to admit they know nuts about machine polishing.
Tendency to badly marr the surface (during compounding) thus requiring a very high degree of experience to accurately GUESS what pad and product combo to be used as Step 2 to fully remove Step 1’s marring.
A much easier method but much slower and produces less than optimal gloss is to buy a DA from Walmart which requires absolutely no physical coaching. But then, you’d still be spending loads of money to buy lots of different pads, compounds, polishes to find out which combo suits you. Again, different clearcoats respond very differently. And thats where the BIG MONEY lies…making the user experiment endlessly.
Thank you
Thank you....Awesome review
Glad you liked it
I have a Dewalt rotary. It’s a bit heavy, so, I use it only on large/flat surfaces. Works great.
Definitely a workhorse.
It would be nice if you showed the results, but great knowledge sharing, as usual 👍🏻 Subscribed! (after watching two videos 😊)
Thanks for the sub!
1:47 dude that was dangerous
Very
I wonder if the rotary is more dangerous on angles and beveled surfaces. When I was new to mechanical polishers, I burned through my paint, not realizing even DA's can overdo it on raised edges.
It’s very pad and technique dependent
Great video, thanks!
Thank you
Very interesting and good teaching video but I would have liked u to do it on a matte car qnd then show the results.
You should never polish matte paint.
Dang ima try this tomorrow thank you for the tips
Please let us know how it goes in our facebook group
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milwaukee tryna take the market lately, good on them for meeting the market for cordless
They work well for us
After watching this. I would get a rotary polisher. That’s for sharing.
Thank you.
in the marine industry in our area we have always ran variable speed corded Makita rotaries but the Dewalt has taken over because its about 4 pounds lighter. Most boats are gel coat or polyurethane paint which is very tough and hard to cut. Also always ran course wool pads for buffing then a polishing pad after. first time I ever buffed a car I couldn't believe how fast acrylic was in comparison. I've never tried a da but a friend was trying to convince me to get one thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching
The reduced vibration alone makes me want to try rotary again. When I learned rotary, we'd only use wool pads and it was tough to finish down, but if we switched to a finishing foam it would love to toss the machine around especially if the pad wasn't perfectly centered unless you held it on an angle. Sounds like I just learned poor practices with a rotary.
Clean , damp, waffle pads, and speeds under 1000 rpm
Can you try just a touch with the rotary at higher speed just to check if paint gets damage or not?
You can and live with the consequences if you try.
Amazing! Never seen a demo like this before. Can you achieve better D/A polisher results with a 2 step approach? A compound + polish correction? Thnx.
If Yvan wants to cut, he will use a dual action machine with wool but always likes to finish with the rotary and a foam pad 👍
Very interested now haha i perform 2 step on both random orbital and the results are beautiful but im always a tool geek
With a random you will get great results as well, only side by side can an experienced eye see the difference.
Please provide with the link to the cordless rotory polisher you are using in this video
It’s a Milwaukee
I can’t wait for my rotary. I’ll be purchasing one 🙏. I’m trying to do my research how much heavier is the corded flex vs uncorded. I’m motivated to use one 💪 great content as always.
Yvan’s favourite is the flex PE 14
Yvan’s favourite is the flex PE 14.
@@diydetailofficial is Yvan switched to milwaukee cordless rotary fully yet or he still prefers the flex pe 14 corded ?
Which DA polisher size is most versatile for DIY detailer Or weekend warriors?
5 inch.
Great video,,, I had no idea. Yet companies push dual action all day long. Now how do you get finger nail scratches in door handle wells? My used Honda came with them,, just on drivers side.. figures right,, see them every day.
Try a DIY Detail Tree Sap Remover. If not, DIY Detail Gold Standard Polish on a MF Towel.
Is the one Yvan used the milwaukee 7in polisher? On their product it doesn’t mention anything about rotary but I assume it the one because their other three do mention the DA.
Yes, it is the Milwaukee rotary.
I love using a rotary to finish!
Us too 👍
Yes I could see the vibration on the DA bigtime.
Yes
Yvan, at what speed do you use the rotary to do polishing? If I remember correctly, do you recommend speed one?
The lowest speed possible
Rotary absolutely gives swirls - cut with the rotary and then finish with the D/A to eliminate the swirls from the rotary. I do black all of the time, a circular motion causes circular finish in the sun / sunlight, period
I invite you to try our pads and polish, you may find you too can finish with a rotary.
As a first time doing this to my gr supra i honestly am afraid to use a rotary. I really need a confirmation of if i should buy a rotary and start to polish with that or go with a DA for now and build practice. I do not want to damage my clear coat.
Start with a scrap panel to test.
Please make a video explain the technique differences in more detail between the rotary and da.
Good idea
On rotary waffle pads help tame the pull and push of rotary so stock up folks
Exactly
I’ve been unable to find a Milwaukee cordless rotary with 6000 rpm. Where did you get that machine from, and is it still available?
600 rpm, not 6000
Great machines. To me its about how you employed them and i personally i prefer rotary
Lowest speed, no pressure, clean damp waffle pad.
If you are getting micro marring, switch pads and or product. When I finish a correction, there is absolutely zero micro marring. I challenge anyone to inspect my work with any inspection light from any angle, after an IPA wipe down of course. Have to make sure there are no fillers hiding stuff.
Try a rotary with our red pad, it will increase clarity
You mentioned that you use a DA to cut and a Rotary to finish. If I don’t want to invest in two types of polishers, which one do you recommend?
Your choice, they both work
The closest thing to a Rotary Polisher is a Gear Driven Forced Rotation DA polisher. The throw is only 5mm Makita PO 6000C and Rupes Big Foot Mille both similar in results! Long throw da polishers do leave micro marring because of there long throw. Compare this to forced rotation DA Polishers like I mentioned above and you will get an exceptional gloss almost as close as a Rotary Polisher! Ive used both and this is the closest thing to it.
Thank you for sharing, how do you like the Flex 3401?
I used to use the Flex XC 3401 VRG but compared to the Makita PO 6000C and Rupes Big Foot Mille it left micromarring especially jet black paints ! Plus the machine was very tiring due to the vibration something you don't get from Makita and Rupes . I cut my teeth with rotary polishing so I know exactly what you mean. Rotary only gets challenging on very difficult paints like jet black paints. I found using the above machines micromarring eliminated, don't get me wrong I love using a Rotary!
Flex intention was good however, in my humble opinion they got it wrong with the 8mm throw and reduced speed 480rpm ! Compared to my Makita PO 6000C 780 rpm and Rupes Big Foot 535rpm with small throw is the best solution for paint correction and paint refinement! Like a Rotary it's the spinning that does the job effectively and not the large throw. The smaller the throw the better and quicker the results especially when it comes to gear driven forced rotation DA Polishers!
The shop I started at made me use some heavy duty rotary dewalt lol 😂 I’m surprised I didn’t burn anything
Those are heavy
For intermediate diy detailing...
Any recommendations on a cordless rotary and a da??
Want to buy both..
Not chinese product...😅😅😅
Appreciate your input.
Great videos...learning and learning from you guys..
Btw also polishing pads as any recommendations.
Much success and. ..
Much blessings 🙌
😎😎
For the polishers we have used Milwaukee successfully. For the pads use our pads from The Gold Standard Polishing System .
@@diydetailofficial Milwaukee has both?
Cordless rotary and dual action that may know of?
Ty for your response.
😎😎🙌
@ppg19782 yes they have a 15mm, 21mm and rotary.
@@diydetailofficial 😎😎🙏
Much blessings 🙌
Have a nice weekend.
I always thought that a rotary was best for cutting (way more powerful) and a DA was better for final stages in polishing…. This is the exact opposite. Why is a DA better at cutting? I thought the whole point of dual action was to eliminate the swirls and scratches that a rotary puts in…
A Dual Action cuts much faster with the right pad because it’s actually doing more work on the paint. If a rotary polisher leaves damage on the paint it’s the fault of the user, not the tool
Yvan and Nick. I did a test on piano black B pillar. Used my trusty DAs with various pads/polishes (my goto is Koch Chemie purple with KC purple pad) vs, my Maxshine 5" rotary (which had been used maybe 10 minutes in five years) with your Gold Standard and matching DIY yellow pad at speed 1 (that seems SLOW, lol). Wish I could say piano black lies, but it doesn't. The rotary was substantially better and made it close to perfect. Yvan, are you using a 7" pad on your Milwaukee cordless? I have the Milwaukee DA cordless and thought about getting the Milwaukee rotary. The 5" on the Maxshine is a bit limiting, but it is so easy to get into edges dues to the lack of the DA oscillation.
Love your channel! No BS.
Thanks you, I use 6 inch primarily.
Does that mean gear driven DA will finish like a rotary since the orbit and rotation is fixed ?
No , a Rotary is in a league of its own.
Ngl its all skill and technique. I even managed to get a mirror finish on my car with a cord drill machine with a pad attachment........ So it really depends on the person as Yvan said!!
Thank you
Would like to see your guys techniques on side panels and intricate areas of the vehicle such as bumpers and rocker panels.
We definitely have done plenty of videos like that:) Here is one: th-cam.com/video/a5yJ7EaJ_PY/w-d-xo.html
Great video until the end. One guy points and says that one is shinier. Which one is shinier?
Rotary side has more depth and gloss
@@diydetailofficial Thank you! Subscribed.🙂
A questions Ivan, if using a rotary polisher to both cut and finish, what pads are preferable for each step, Foam or Lambs Wool , and why ? I see you used Foam for your finish, could you have also used Lambs Wool?
Wool to cut, foam to finish
@@diydetailofficial Thank you for your reply
What is a good rotary? But for machine for beginners at a good price. And cordless.
Cordless? We like the Milwaukee. Does it have to be cordless? Otherwise there are some nice options for less money
Do you also recommend rotary for beginners? I want to buy my first polisher
Yes, you might enjoy this video
th-cam.com/video/Y90g2B8kUow/w-d-xo.htmlsi=n2xUVf_Mn3lXgRtp
@@diydetailofficial You were right, I did enjoy that video! :) Good job!
Very interesting video guys! My main interest in the rotary is reduced noise as the DA is loud for my neighbours. Is there a big decibel difference between brands or would a decent budget brand still be a lot quieter than a DA? I assume I can run at a lower speed to which will reduce noise as well? Many thanks! Brian.👍
Yes, a comparably priced rotary will
Be quieter than a DA.
@@diydetailofficial many thanks!
Can you guys go over what to do with trim pieces on a car? The flat black parts of various cars. My 2022 WRX for example, those fenders yikes. Do i have to tape them off?
No need to tape off trim, in fact, with our yellow gold waffle pad, we like to polish the trim using the Gold Standard polish 👍
How long does your ceramic spray polish last for on a un garaged daily driver on average guy's please?
3-6 months
How much pressure are you applying down on the paint as you polish? I think I remember in another one of your videos its not much at all. Also can you do a vid of polishing a boat gel coat?
No pressure at all. It’s on our to do list
Us older guys know the truth of the rotary. It's the best finishing machine and is not scary. Just trained a guy yesterday for eight hours to use the rotary properly. Even the gear driven finishes great. But a 6 or 8-12 mm orbit DA is the best to finish with if your only wanting to use DA's
Thank you
So 2 step with da then rotary but if you’re just performing a 2 step what would you both recommend for optimal results
DA to cut, Rotary to finish.
@@diydetailofficial meant to say 1 step sorry
@@diydetailofficial Almost impossible to get a hologram free correction only using the rotary though. Not many pros use it anymore and I think just for that reason alone. I think you have to be highly skilled in the rotary to get it done without holograms.
Yvan trained a 12 year old to finish with a rotary today.
Would you recommend a rotary to a first timer?
absolutely
Hi Yvan i've heard detailers say that 'rotary polishers cant do 1 step corrections compared to a D.A , particularly on moderate-heavy defect paint' Do you think there is any truth to this statement and if not would you perhaps make a video/short to demonstrate that the rotary is capable of doing 1 steps even with a good amount of correction.
The 21mm stroke random orbital is the best choice for that. Yes I’ve done it with a rotary, but the 21mm machine cuts faster.
That doesn’t look like the backing plate that comes with the Milwaukee rotary tool. Can you tell me if it’s just the model or is it an alternative that appears to to give the tool more battery clearance so you keep the pad flat on the surface?
we love that yellow backing plate, it's from Lake Country Manufacturing, a 6-inch rotary backing plate
When I am about to purchase a DA, I just got confused again. I have both rotary and DA but a cheap version. I just suck.
Both tools will give you great results, use the one you enjoy working with.
I made the mistake years ago buying the Flex 3403 lightweight rotary. It's slowest speed is 1,100 rpm. Is that too fast? Love the thing, but wish I could dial it down much slower.
Yvan likes 4-800 rpm
What size jewel pad should I buy if I have this Milwaukee Rotary?
5.5 or 6.5 inch. It’s personal preference, and what size backing plate you use.