@@ThoughtfulWander I hope it does eventually, lots of cool sights to see from the ocean if you know where to look (pillboxes at hummock hill Whyalla for example, it’s like the D-day that never happened, plus there’s the hmas Whyalla dry-docked and open for tours)
If you had asked, I could have told you. Use the Racor filter. I have this same filter on 3 boats, they work well. Lube the bowl o-ring with oil, not gas. The drain, as well. On the tanks, loosen the cap while underway and snug it down, when not running.
I just left a similar comment. I just hate those old school glass bowl filters. I have a Yamaha spin on separator filter system that is the same a Sierra.
Hello everything is fine? I really like your channel and have been following your journey for a long time. I will tell you my experience with water in the fuel hope it helps. in my country the government determines 40% of alcohol in fuel I know that in the USA the amount is lower (still) and alcohol in fuel greatly increases the absorption of water that comes from the atmosphere. in my case I have a boat with a 600lt tank and the only way to solve this problem that I found was to keep the tank full whenever possible Reducing the amount of air inside the tank you reduce condensation and water absorption by the fuel always prefer use plastic tanks avoid aluminum or any other type of metal.
Generally the ethanol blend here is 10% of gasoline but this boat uses diesel and there is no ethanol (corn alcohol) in the diesel bought from stations here so it is not an issue. As a side note, gasoline tanks tend to have no air in them if there is an evaporation outlet as required by law here, the gas will evaporate and displace any air. If you lit a match into a half full car here there would not be an explosion because there is no oxygen to cause one. Mythbusters even tested it.
The solution to the gas tank over pressurizing from the heat is vent lint kept under vacuum be a small motor and a sensor leading to an activated charcoal filter at the end. That is what automotive systems run. It allows the pressure to release and keeps the hydrocarbons from evaporating, which isn't just about it damaging the environment. The lighter hydrocarbons in the witch's brew that is gasoline leave first when heated, so the mix of the gas changes, which will alter the properties of the fuel and can even make it become unusable. EFI engines adapt to changes in the fuel on the fly, so you probably won't notice it, but it can cause other problems, like varnish buildups and carbon deposits happening faster than if you were using fresh fuel every time.
Doug, could you just add an inexpensive one way valve with like 10 psi of cracking pressure to the fuel tank? That way the pressure never builds to high and doesn't let in water.
Feeding time for the algorithm. Good work Doug. Do you open the small valve on the lid when you are running or does it automatically open to prevent any vacuum in the tank? I don't use a motor so I thought I would ask. Have a good one.
For those who follow and are doing fuel line upgrades , I too have found disappointment in the oem standards regards to the fuel side of engines. Here we have a boating industry that I have seen use clamps and hoses on sub floor tanks that have no flaring for clamps to work under pressure and hoses just slide off over time or clamps that rust away. Some may find some fuel primer devices some what restrictive if they need gravity fed or very low vacuum requirements. Best to test bench these primers before having issues on the water. The hard plastic tanks need upgrading to have high point blow off valves installed for pressure discharge and better low point fuel pick up design to the tanks so no air gets sucked in when your trying to avoid hitting rocks in odd rough whether, you don't need a stalled engine at this point when your on your last tank 1/4. In filters fuel should travel to the base water trap first leaving water behind before traveling up through the filter element. Hope this paragraph/comment saves some lives.
there are easy to install cheap over pressure relieve valves even adjustable in variuos ranges just on the amazon. A 2 bar one should just be enough to vent overpressure realy easy. better as having the tankcap open all the time.
anything is better than when we used to run the old metal ones that looked like oil filters with a hole in the bottom we drilled out and jammed a stopper in
I don't mean to be an internet trash talker here, (you seem like a great guy) but I just hate those old old school sight glass bowl O ring water separator filters....they were putting them on farm tractors over 50 years ago...and some engine companies are still putting them on welders. . . They're messy, hard to change in a tight spot and in my many years working in the field I have never seen or heard of anyone ever looking into that sight glass bowl for water. Yamaha and Sierra make an excellent very simple spin on water separator filter that takes a few minutes t change in any spot without ever having leak. Most of the boat/marine places in my area tear those factory sight glass bowl filters off their new boats and put on the Yamaha system.
Well, I check mine visually and it's easy to see if they need to be drained. So far the outboard has been fine, but I routinely drain the ones on the main engine supply. I also have a long history with tractors, so maybe it's the upbringing. : )
@@SVSeeker Thanks for the reply, but I have to say, I can't believe that companies are still making those as there are much better filter systems out there.
You can drill your can and install a brewers airlock in the new vent hole. The expanding gasses from the tank will flow through liquid gasoline and potentially condense back before atmospheric venting. Im just an armchair quarterback on this one, so my idea may be a horrible suggestion.
the little boat got realy bumpy rides while in use, hitting waves, taking swells and breamwaters, dangling from the davids, hanging or floating leaning to one side, stored for days and weeks not in use. no a good environoment for a liquid filled valve depending on intakt fluid level to work.
Lol the prospective of a camra ... who else for a second thought that seeker popped into the screen just a cooking it and Doug was sitting still in the water not other way around
Could send you a fuel cap from down here in NZ, we're still running the old open vent screw type😁 Clean, green, New Zealand we don't care about a little fumes🤣🤣
Racors are good, in your application that clear bowl maybe fine but, if installing in a confined space, for Gasoline clear bowl not o.k. per coast guard, they want a metal bowl.
GAS TOO HOT?: Why not try rigging one of those huge sun screens - the kind made for cars' front wind shields when you are parked. Drape it over your tank compartment. They are super inexpensive. It might help; how could it hurt? You might only be out ten bucks.
The cheap one blue the o-ring out due to the pressure of the tank and the outboard’s fuel pump could not draw enough fuel through the filter to sustain wide open throttle.
Goes to show that sometimes you just gotta pay the premium, Ferrari is a good example as to why you wouldn’t want to pay a premium. (Who wants to have lawyers send a cease and desist letter for modifying the car you just purchased”
I just bought my first boat 88 ranger 393v with a 87 Johnson V6 150 2 stroke (took the vro off) was thinking about getting a separator living here in humid Florida. I use stabil but I just want to make sure I protect my investment as best I can. What are your thoughts?
My situation is that I fill from cans that are stored on deck in the rain and I have crew that sometimes are not good about making sure they are sealed or checking them before they fuel up from them. Hence it is insurance.
@@SVSeeker yeah for me I have two tanks on the boat that are up under the seats I never always fill them up completely nor do I ever empty them completely I just go back and forth when I do fill ups I do add stabilizer and I go out every week so I figured might not be too big of an issue to worry about yet
I got bad news for you buddy. Uscg says it’s illegal to mount underdeck! Only all metal separator can be mounted below deck. I was going to get that one too. Until I read the spec sheet!
That only applies to an inboard engine. You can use these clear bowl filters below deck with all outboard engines....reason being, they don't want the clear bowl filters under deck where there is also an engine and heat. The clear bowl filters are allowed and fine under deck and in bilges of outboard engine boats.
You are slowly realising that you just can't cheap out on stuff you heavily rely on. Little things like this can be life savers in the event of an emergency at sea. This and everything important needs a backup.......
Far from it. Im enjoying life in the water and if I tried the with the “buy the best” approach I’d still be working the day job. Hell in rather be here on a raft.
I played the game with the same little Chinese filter/water separator and like you, I preach to anyone that will listen thats thinking of buying one that they are better off burning their money. Absolute garbage.
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Hey Buddy, stop treading on my turf! 😝
Sorry!
UUuuuhh someone is jealous!!!! :)
No SouthPark fans here guy?
Wait a second how in the world did Seeker get all the way over to the land down under?? 🤣😂👍
@@ThoughtfulWander I hope it does eventually, lots of cool sights to see from the ocean if you know where to look (pillboxes at hummock hill Whyalla for example, it’s like the D-day that never happened, plus there’s the hmas Whyalla dry-docked and open for tours)
you got an audible whistle out of me, when I saw you bought a Parker filter. Still excited to see some sail action!
Glad you went with the real deal. It's a little extra money for the setup but the filters aren't that expensive to change out.
Looking forward to those sails :)
If you had asked, I could have told you. Use the Racor filter. I have this same filter on 3 boats, they work well. Lube the bowl o-ring with oil, not gas. The drain, as well. On the tanks, loosen the cap while underway and snug it down, when not running.
love seein seeker on the water now. keep the awesome content coming!
Parker makes so many Superior item's! The company i worked in the Tool&Die industry used so Many Parker products!
Good to know Doug. Thanks for the heads up.
Have used a Sierra filter/separator housing and cartridge for years. Works perfectly...
I just left a similar comment. I just hate those old school glass bowl filters. I have a Yamaha spin on separator filter system that is the same a Sierra.
Thank you for doing this properly, good filter and hose clamps. Should be good to go now!
Great episode! Keep rolling Seeker crew! 👍👍
remember to change filter once a year at least -rust / water/debis non ethanol gas only from now on
Ethanol only in emergencies. And remember you need more of it going into the cylinder than regular gas.
Parker is industrial strength for sure.
Parker stuff is good,, and available right around the world.....
Hello everything is fine? I really like your channel and have been following your journey for a long time. I will tell you my experience with water in the fuel hope it helps.
in my country the government determines 40% of alcohol in fuel I know that in the USA the amount is lower (still) and alcohol in fuel greatly increases the absorption of water that comes from the atmosphere. in my case I have a boat with a 600lt tank and the only way to solve this problem that I found was to keep the tank full whenever possible Reducing the amount of air inside the tank you reduce condensation and water absorption by the fuel always prefer use plastic tanks avoid aluminum or any other type of metal.
Generally the ethanol blend here is 10% of gasoline but this boat uses diesel and there is no ethanol (corn alcohol) in the diesel bought from stations here so it is not an issue. As a side note, gasoline tanks tend to have no air in them if there is an evaporation outlet as required by law here, the gas will evaporate and displace any air. If you lit a match into a half full car here there would not be an explosion because there is no oxygen to cause one. Mythbusters even tested it.
The solution to the gas tank over pressurizing from the heat is vent lint kept under vacuum be a small motor and a sensor leading to an activated charcoal filter at the end. That is what automotive systems run. It allows the pressure to release and keeps the hydrocarbons from evaporating, which isn't just about it damaging the environment. The lighter hydrocarbons in the witch's brew that is gasoline leave first when heated, so the mix of the gas changes, which will alter the properties of the fuel and can even make it become unusable. EFI engines adapt to changes in the fuel on the fly, so you probably won't notice it, but it can cause other problems, like varnish buildups and carbon deposits happening faster than if you were using fresh fuel every time.
Fuel stabiliser really helps for slowing the decay
@@dylanzrim3635 To a certain point.
Nah your overthinking
Parker makes the real good thing. I use one of their fuel polishers to fix diesel fuel and it does the job right. Saves hundreds of gallons of fuel.
If you fit a 30cm bit of fuel hose to the drain barb you can avoid the issue of not much room to fit the drain cup.
Doug, could you just add an inexpensive one way valve with like 10 psi of cracking pressure to the fuel tank? That way the pressure never builds to high and doesn't let in water.
Sure, on just a little hole.
You worked for so many years building your "working" man cave. I know you are enjoying it and relish the problem solving opportunities that arise.
Going to put this unit on my diesel tractor and backhoe. Looks better than the cheap OEM assembly.
Feeding time for the algorithm. Good work Doug. Do you open the small valve on the lid when you are running or does it automatically open to prevent any vacuum in the tank? I don't use a motor so I thought I would ask. Have a good one.
A friend of mine said once: "when you buy cheap, you wil buy twice... it seems he was right 🙂
Excellent follow up, thanks.....
if you put a sun shade /cover over your fuel tank it wont get so hot and pressurize as much
For those who follow and are doing fuel line upgrades , I too have found disappointment in the oem standards regards to the fuel side of engines. Here we have a boating industry that I have seen use clamps and hoses on sub floor tanks that have no flaring for clamps to work under pressure and hoses just slide off over time or clamps that rust away. Some may find some fuel primer devices some what restrictive if they need gravity fed or very low vacuum requirements. Best to test bench these primers before having issues on the water. The hard plastic tanks need upgrading to have high point blow off valves installed for pressure discharge and better low point fuel pick up design to the tanks so no air gets sucked in when your trying to avoid hitting rocks in odd rough whether, you don't need a stalled engine at this point when your on your last tank 1/4. In filters fuel should travel to the base water trap first leaving water behind before traveling up through the filter element. Hope this paragraph/comment saves some lives.
I know you already know. but here goes. I use this attwood 9300FDV7 Universal Fuel Demand Valve for 3/8-Inch and 5/16-Inch Fuel Hoses
there are easy to install cheap over pressure relieve valves even adjustable in variuos ranges just on the amazon. A 2 bar one should just be enough to vent overpressure realy easy. better as having the tankcap open all the time.
I take the duck valve out of the lid on the tank. That way the tank can vent properly.
anything is better than when we used to run the old metal ones that looked like oil filters with a hole in the bottom we drilled out and jammed a stopper in
I don't mean to be an internet trash talker here, (you seem like a great guy) but I just hate those old old school sight glass bowl O ring water separator filters....they were putting them on farm tractors over 50 years ago...and some engine companies are still putting them on welders. . . They're messy, hard to change in a tight spot and in my many years working in the field I have never seen or heard of anyone ever looking into that sight glass bowl for water.
Yamaha and Sierra make an excellent very simple spin on water separator filter that takes a few minutes t change in any spot without ever having leak. Most of the boat/marine places in my area tear those factory sight glass bowl filters off their new boats and put on the Yamaha system.
Well, I check mine visually and it's easy to see if they need to be drained. So far the outboard has been fine, but I routinely drain the ones on the main engine supply. I also have a long history with tractors, so maybe it's the upbringing. : )
@@SVSeeker Thanks for the reply, but I have to say, I can't believe that companies are still making those as there are much better filter systems out there.
You can drill your can and install a brewers airlock in the new vent hole. The expanding gasses from the tank will flow through liquid gasoline and potentially condense back before atmospheric venting. Im just an armchair quarterback on this one, so my idea may be a horrible suggestion.
the little boat got realy bumpy rides while in use, hitting waves, taking swells and breamwaters, dangling from the davids, hanging or floating leaning to one side, stored for days and weeks not in use. no a good environoment for a liquid filled valve depending on intakt fluid level to work.
Lol the prospective of a camra ... who else for a second thought that seeker popped into the screen just a cooking it and Doug was sitting still in the water not other way around
Could send you a fuel cap from down here in NZ, we're still running the old open vent screw type😁 Clean, green, New Zealand we don't care about a little fumes🤣🤣
Racors are good, in your application that clear bowl maybe fine but, if installing in a confined space, for Gasoline clear bowl not o.k. per coast guard, they want a metal bowl.
attwood 9300FDV7 Universal Fuel Demand Valve for 3/8-Inch and 5/16-Inch Fuel Hoses
what happened to the diesel tender? is it sold
what did you build today??
Drill out the one way valve from the cap to make it two way.
Awesome!
Would it be worth to put a white cloth/rag over the black box to reduce the heat buildup from the sun?
The tank will survive, but we toss a towel onto the seat so we don't fry our butts. : )
Any performance change on Tamale with un-restricted fuel flow Doug ? Your last seconds of video look like you could water ski with it now !
It's a run or no run situation. It runs fine with the Parker/Racor filter.
GAS TOO HOT?: Why not try rigging one of those huge sun screens - the kind made for cars' front wind shields when you are parked. Drape it over your tank compartment. They are super inexpensive. It might help; how could it hurt? You might only be out ten bucks.
I found a 50 horse diesel outboard I don't know if your red launch
Can handle that?
And 27 horse one
Both are Yanmar outboards
Hope it helps
And after your video i bought the cheap fuel/water separator.......May I ask the difference between the two o-ring/gaskets in the two assemblies ?
The cheap one blue the o-ring out due to the pressure of the tank and the outboard’s fuel pump could not draw enough fuel through the filter to sustain wide open throttle.
@@SVSeeker I need to make the change, don't want to be offshore wishing !
its nice to learn tips from other people. sometimes you have to buy the real thing, instead of the cheap knock-off, to do the job right...
Looks like the tank could slid into the glass part of the filter.....
Goes to show that sometimes you just gotta pay the premium, Ferrari is a good example as to why you wouldn’t want to pay a premium. (Who wants to have lawyers send a cease and desist letter for modifying the car you just purchased”
Doug is it worth considering a pressure relief valve in the line from the tank to the filter?
It worth considering drilling a hole. :)
Made in the U.S.A. it's what we need !!! Perfect
I just bought my first boat 88 ranger 393v with a 87 Johnson V6 150 2 stroke (took the vro off) was thinking about getting a separator living here in humid Florida. I use stabil but I just want to make sure I protect my investment as best I can. What are your thoughts?
My situation is that I fill from cans that are stored on deck in the rain and I have crew that sometimes are not good about making sure they are sealed or checking them before they fuel up from them. Hence it is insurance.
@@SVSeeker yeah for me I have two tanks on the boat that are up under the seats I never always fill them up completely nor do I ever empty them completely I just go back and forth when I do fill ups I do add stabilizer and I go out every week so I figured might not be too big of an issue to worry about yet
They will double the life of your outbound
What you have in your hand is actually made in China also. 😊😊😊😊😊
I've had limited success with Chinese parts but generally buy cheap, buy twice.
I got bad news for you buddy. Uscg says it’s illegal to mount underdeck! Only all metal separator can be mounted below deck. I was going to get that one too. Until I read the spec sheet!
That only applies to an inboard engine. You can use these clear bowl filters below deck with all outboard engines....reason being, they don't want the clear bowl filters under deck where there is also an engine and heat. The clear bowl filters are allowed and fine under deck and in bilges of outboard engine boats.
@@h20dawg1 wrong look up the coast guard regs. You wrong
Would it be a bad idea to drill a 1/16 or even 1/8 inch hole in the cap?
I'm way ahead of ya! : )
Some times you have to pay for quality! You said something about sails??? :))
You are slowly realising that you just can't cheap out on stuff you heavily rely on. Little things like this can be life savers in the event of an emergency at sea. This and everything important needs a backup.......
Far from it. Im enjoying life in the water and if I tried the with the “buy the best” approach I’d still be working the day job. Hell in rather be here on a raft.
I played the game with the same little Chinese filter/water separator and like you, I preach to anyone that will listen thats thinking of buying one that they are better off burning their money. Absolute garbage.