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- Everything is connected.
Substances, forces, life itself - everything forms units to stand in balance.
We all are surrounded by, and even part of a great unity.
When we go outdoors, we strive for these moments where we become one with what
surrounds us, to connect, to unite passion, sport and nature. As cyclists, this connection can sometimes feel damped, even detached, as what makes sense to be united, inexplicably isn’t.
When it comes to the next generation of e-bikes, the Pinion E-Drive System is here to
change that. The Pinion MGU brings together, what belongs together. It’s more than a
drivetrain. It’s a powertrain. It's motor and gearbox unified.
More informations ► pinion.eu/en/e...
This will change e-bikes forever. Can’t wait to see it at Eurobike!!
Happy to have you on-board, see you at the Eurobike!
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Nah. It's over complicated and inefficient and requires a dedicated frame.
When will these be hitting the market?
I want a fat tire long range e-bike with ease of maintenance and reliability. Using this gearbox tech with belt train instead of chain and torque sensor for more intuitive pedaling probably will solve all the problems.
It looks like Bosch, Shimano, Yamaha, Panasonic left behind 😅🤭😂 No more stupid derailleur and cassette! That's awesome 😎
There is also Intradrive that made motor with 8s gearbox but dunno if their product is ready to hit the market.
Also couple years ago there was news about Effie Gear is making something similar with valeo, hopes they show it soon..
@@jerryofthebikes there is Valeo as well but look at them. No real competition to Pinion.
@@jerryofthebikes Valeo is on the market alrd. No competition to Pinion from my point of view. Only big players like Bosch can catch them.
also Revonte One which is beautifully simple. direct transposition of Toyota or Ford hybrid vehicles eCVT. pedalling is somehow similar to ICE being only efficient and "powerful" in a relatively narrow rpm range so you have pedals turning one input of the planetary gear set, one electric motor with torque matching the rider pedaling torque and rotating at different speeds to generate different gear ratios, an a second motor on the output shaft to increase the assist level if needed. no moving part except rotating parts in the planetary gear set, no gear selection mechanism, no shifts, very little losses. very easy to make it automatic with a cadence target window, but the weird things being that fixed gear ratios can only be emulated by constantly adjusting the motor speed and torque, and the fact that it doesn't have a fixed gear range. the maximum gear ratio depends how fast you are pedalling?! I don't think that's a problem for legal ebikes that have a maximum pedal assist speed though.
Seems best suited for cargo ebikes and emtb
Looks like bosch yamaha etc will build the same thing under a different name because you cant put patent on a gearbox🫶🏼
This is by far the best thing to happen to the bike industry . I can say hands down that I already dream of the day when my next e-bike will be a Pinion MGU equiped bike.
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Maybe a KETTLER E- Bike with Pinion MGU? ;)
I honestly think this will finally render derailleur drivetrains as a niche thing. This system makes much more sense! Cross-country weight minimalists might still use legacy drivetrains, but for e-bikes, downhill, enduro, adventure and biking in general, a trigger shifter gearbox with belt drive is a dream come true. I am so looking forward to seeing pinion take over the whole industry. Finally someone did it. Congrats, Pinion!
Thank you, we hope so too!
I think you've hit the mark on the users of this system will be: "enthusiasts". I'm holding back for now to see what Pinion's drivetrain has to offer the commuter and cargo market (mainstream). As there's not much talk about integration of lights, bike computer/map navigation, USB-C charger (for bike computers or smartphones), I think this'll be left to high-end e-MTB. I hope that they partner with Bosch even just for the ABS alone.
Derailleurs will stick around, because this will remain a high-end product. The unit alone will cost more than most people would be wiling to pay for an entire bicycle.
@@PinionChannel can you add throttle to overlap with the pedalassist, option for bigger motor and torque. Also add dynamic regenerative breaking with lever, adjust the breaking torque, magnets in motor with lever. I think thats how its done?
@@PinionChannel also ability to disconnect the drag from the motor if you run out of battery and have to pedal? Like move the magnets away, I think? from the copper?
A MASSIVE BIG THANK YOU. This product is The BALLS. This has multiple awards written all over it. I cannot wait to get my hands on this. So excited, well done Pinion.
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Finally, bicycles have made it completely into the 21st century... there will be no looking back from this moment in velo history...
I've been waiting for exactly this. The motorcycle industry figured this out eons ago, E-bikes needed this tech years ago.
Absolutely!
@@PinionChannel and a massive thank you for doing so. As soon as I see this in a 180+ 29 bike with a coil, it's as good as sold.
This is the future of ebikes for sure. Makes perfect sense. Can't wait for more companies to build their frames around this system 💪💪💪
This looks amazing and I can't wait to try it! Congrats guys! 🔥
So happy y'all created this. I'm so over derailleurs and chains! Bring on the belts!!! Now I gotta sell my ebike and wait for these to be available
First models will be available at the Q4 2023! But more will come 2024! Check our website for all the launch partners.
Our e- bikes with Pinion MGU will be in the shops starting from latest October 2023 ✌🏻
The idea of full integration with the motor, gearbox and derailleur system all in one package 👍🏻
It was about time. Now lets see bike brands start developing bike frames to combine with this drivetrain.
Like to see Ryan Van Duzer test ride a bike with this new setup! No crashes, no flatties, no whammies!
This is the future. I’m on my second Ebike now and have had one since 2019. Both of them tear the hell out of drivetrains. I’ve gotten to the point that I change the chain almost monthly to try to slow cassette wear.
All i can say is FINALLY! This is exactly what mtb has needed for years and will set the new standard that all others will follow for the foreseeable future.🎉
Congratulations, Pionon Team - waiting impatiently for the bikes with this system to hit the market! Reliability tests will also be crucial. Fingers crossed.
Also Say hello to stronger rear wheels.spokes are evenly spread now to the wider hub due to cassette not being there. Taking full advantage of boost148
years ago, this was on my list as a must have item if I were to buy an e-bike. I am stoked that you have developed this and can’t wait to see what brands choose this option over the next year or two. at this point, the only thing missing from my dream E bike list is a dropper post that retracts with the push of a button (no need to sit) and can last a full day on the trail.
They are available, they work on air pressure. You have to top it up with an hand pump.
@@hein_mcleod as far as I know, the only ones available are for BMC XC frames. I will be stoked if I missed similar for Enduro bikes.
You have invented and delivered the Future.
Other manufacturers must follow suit, or get left behind.
Thank you for breaking the mold, being bold and giving us everything we want. 👌👍👏
I was a very Shimano, bike enthusiast Pinion is next level. Can’t wait to take one for a ride it looks amazing.
Congratulations, Pinion!
You did what I always found to be a missing key concept of e-bikes.
The bike industry really needs more move technologically towards where motorbikes already are!
well e motorcycles are going single speed route but this is more like what an hybrid motorcycle could be
Danke das ihr so viel Energie in das System steckt. Wir freuen uns schon irgendwann mal MGU zu fahren. Bis dahin erstmal Liebe Grüße aus Australien.
Looks like a dream come true!! I smashed my derailleur last year in the middle of a trans alp from Munich to Lake Garda. With this system that would not have happened.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes! It will probably be the absolute hit at the Eurobike!!
Endlich gibt es ein Produkt das den Motor und die Schaltung vereint. Ich denke, dass das e-bikes "revolutionieren" wird. Zumindest wenn der Preis niedrig ist. Mein Bruder hat ein e-bike und der muss alle 4000km eine neue Kette kaufen, mit dem Antriebsstrang muss man das dann nicht mehr.
Ja, genau 🤩 Vielleicht wird es ja ein Kettler E- Bike mit der Pinion MGU ✌🏻
About time. Been saying this needs to happen. Belt drive, combined gearbox and motor to reduce wear on ebike components
Makes so much sense. The pinion gearbox-belt drivetrain has been limited by the perceived losses and weight vs chain/derailleur options. By Incorporating the motor to the pinion gearbox sidesteps the arguments about weight and losses as being an eMTB the focus is no longer on weight weenies and nth degree performance. The upsides can finally be heralded for what they are.
1) No RD issues (under load shifting, bent hanger, ripped off RD, chain wear, cassette wear, lubrication, cleaning),
2) weight is removed from the unsprung mass of the rear wheel,
3) the rear wheel hub can be more uniform as no cassette width is to be compromised for. Equal spokes.
4) 1 piece Motor/gearbox unit, so all shifting is encased in a hard shell, no damage, no wear.
5) Maintenance of the drivetrain = 10,000 km oil change
6) Belt drive is good for 40,000kms? like 'forever'
7) 600% gear range with uniform 17% gaps
I am keen to see these on an eMTB I can access in Australia.
NEXT is to move to the next battery tech that is safer than Lithium Ion (burning bombs), so we can travel with the bikes again and drop the weight.
looking for a job? 🤩
@@PinionChannel Absolutely. Im tired of what I do now.
YES. At last . Keep it coming. Complete range please for touring cycling. Nominal motor output please and battery voltage and capacities.
Nominal motor output 250W. 600W peak power for Pedelecs and 800W for s-pedelecs. There are several battery options available 480, 720 or 960 Wh and a 535 Wh range extender. So depending on your needs there will be enough range.
I love it. I got a daily bike with Pinion C1.12 and belt. I shall love to get one with power next. One system makes it look so fantastic.
I love it! You can totally lake jump it! ! Yew!!! Just kidding. . . This is the single most important progression in the E-biking world! This will Change the world! - M
Every few Years a technology comes to market, that changes everything. Suspension, disc brakes, dropper post and now the MGU.
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There's no question that my next enduro bike will have this engine! I absolutely hate maintenance and worries about the engine. This is so amazing.
Awaiting availability in the US 🙏 Awesome looking product!
Please be patient it will be coming to the US.
I have waited for years for this. Thank you Pinion!
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I'm not into bikes only tech but you can't get any better than this, at least from my thoughts on bicycle and e-bike tech. anything thing better than this will be on a different segment which is to decouple the rider from the wheel through electric generator pedal system or all electric propulsion.
Congrats Pinion👍. A long time dream seems to have come through. Pls may it also include the 18-speed gearbox and battery capacity for 200 km range, including when towing a trailer and travelling up the Norwegian and Swedish 'Alps'. And kindly also a connector/port to allow me to attach solar power battery generation on the road. To further extend range and to limit dependence on regular power supply for charging the battery. Think long-term ebike holidays off the road, up and down mountains. 'Trail biking' if you will. An exciting development you have made.
Currently there is the 12 and 9 speed gear option available for the MGU with up to 600% gear ratio. 18 gears won't fit into it and for e-bikes this is not really necessary. FIT offers multiple batterie options with different capacitiys and an range extender.
Wow mountain biking at its peak the only and last mountain bike you ever need.i have to own one.
I saw you guys from Rob Rides EMTB, Im a specialized rider, however moving over to ebikes, after seeing this bike I love this idea that is working, I came back looking for the bike again, I like the new dji ebike came out, what I really like about that bike the most is how integrated sensors are along with the app connection it works sweet, however this pinion moto ebike hits me in a different way. I love the fact that there are no dam cassettes and shifters to take up space, use to ride harder back in the day however today im just looking for a good ebike I can toss around on my commute to work and far places on my days off and save as much weight and moving parts as possible.
So pumped. I’ve been waiting for you guys to make the move! 🎉
Can't wait to see if the motor holds up. I'm so tired of blowing through drivetrains on the E.
This is Next Level! Endlich keine nervige, dreckige Kette + Kassette mehr. Endlich kein enormer Verschleiß mehr, danke Pinion 👍
Just test it on Fahrrad und WanderReisen in Stuttgart and it is so much incredible to enjoy the ride! For me, it was the highlight of this event!
Can't wait to have one for myself here in Portugal!
Hey thank you for the feedback and good that you visited us all the way from Portugal!
The solution that the entire cycling world was waiting for has arrived. Enjoy the simple and low maintenance bike. I hope it becomes more widespread so that in Patagonia we can also access this fascinating technology.
Looks like a great unit, I cannot believe that you couldn't come up with a belt tensioner that didn't stick out under the motor..
yes this must be re-engineered …
I will wait for some reviews but if this is efficient, that is a big game changer.
Rob rides MTB already did a great review
finally, the e-bike industry will get next level!
Gute Arbeit!!! Is there any possibility to put some kind of GPS into the motor, maybe like some kind of safety measure against theft?
There will be the FIT E-BIKE TRACKER available from the end of December 2023.
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빨리 같고 싶네요. I LOVE PINION
Take my money! No more stupid derailleur! This is what I have been waiting to buy an ebike for!
This will be fantastic, the only downside is it would only fit a designated mid-drive frame bike, so I wouldn't be able to buy the kit & fit it to my cargo bike, But the future looks bright with the Pinion factory designed bikes.
This is the best thing for the future of MTB
Very leading concept compare to any other e-bike or gear box solution. A huge improve on bike industry. We will equip some on our lastest model if the bridge not changed. - Blacksnow Cycles.
A dream and definitely the way to go.
But first testers say it was noticeably louder especially in some gears. So it's a tradeoff for now, as you'd trade more noise for this feature.
Looks awesom! So, will I be able to swap out my Pinion C1.12 with this unit on my Priority 600?
I already have a bike with a Pinion C1.12 gearbox and I love it. My question is: Can I retrofit their MGU in my bike? Will the MGU bolt in where my old C1.12 gearbox was?
So stoked to see this!! Absolute game changer and so excited to try it out 🔥🙌
nice setup, hope either Trek or Cannondale build a hybrid with this setup soon. For Trek, this can be the next "District - e" with the same frame geometry or Cannondale Quick -e? both of these frames fits my body/style like a glove.
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Dear guys from Pinion! You made such a great transmission! But pay attention to the brakes! No one except you will make brakes that are not afraid of sand, water and mud! You can!
We are drivetrain specialists, but for now we leave brakes to other specialists.
I'd like to see a Pinion developed for road and gravel bikes with dropped bars. Ideally, with a lightweight (perhaps carbon fibre) casing and a junction box that to which you attach traditional road bike cables or an electric box to which you connect the shifter paddles (e.g. Di2) or a bluetooth receiver. The large surface area of the pinion case could add a lot of rigidity to the bottom bracket area of a bike, which could be an advantage. Being able to choose crank size arm size, without having to change the chainset is also an advantage, as is also being able to use a standard wheel or
even a lightweight carbon fibre one. As for some efficiency loss due to drag, I think this only matters if you are riding faster than 30km/hr. Most gravel riding and touring is below this speed. I'd love to be a tester for this system.
There will be a solution for road bikes and gravel: TRP HyWire Pinion Smart.Shift Shifter 🥰
Can’t wait for that to come… congratulations for the technology.
Please sell it at an affordable realistic price for the masses, thank you
Fantastic design and engineering 😎
Awesome, I was waiting for someone to do this! It appears you have designed a beautiful product. I can't wait to see it in action. You should have expanded your collaboration with MRP or Pauls to design a belt tensioner that doesn't get destroyed on the first couple rides out. All those I know on pinion drive full suspension bikes have this problem. To date, no one has come up with a belt tensioner that gives clearance at the bottom bracket where even more strikes occur than the rear derailluer strikes that Pinon has done such a good job eliminating.
Bet the motor collaborator is one of the big players….. if this takes off either pinion will end up being the boutique brand whilst the trickle down products will be sold under the main brand or pion will end up as the branding for the gearbox integrated part of their owners range.
Good no more broken sift gear
Amazing product.
Let's dream for that dream tech on next superdelite ebike from Riese and muller 😍 🚲
This looks revolutionary for eebs. Fantastic work!
Brilliant! Way to address a long standing bicycle shortcoming of the chain/derailluer combo. I have been around bicyles all my life and Pinion has nailed it with this gearbox motor! Can we expect one for pedal bicycles?
What level of efficiency have you acheived with the gearbox compared to the old standard chain/derailleur system?
Let's get these things out there!
Anxious...
Finally to see a combined unit right in the center of gravity, ideal riding control.
But is it designed to be "motor assist" by default or "human power" by default?
It very tempting to design it like an "automatic gearbox" with 'larger gear steps increment', which removes the 'feel of control' and 'joy of speed' when it run out of battery (at some point).
Rohloff & alfine have smaller increment steps for this reason as it designed for human power primarialy.
Which goes back to the original question, what does Pinion actually offer with their P, C XR lineup, comparing to the riding disipline that is out there?
1 - for road bikes, far fetched but possible
2 - for MTB, great choice but not twist shift
3 - for eMTB & gravel with MGU, good choice
4 - performance Commuter, Alfine provide better choice for various reason
5 - Basic Commuter, but too expensive
6 - for Foldable commuter, possible, but not with current design.
7 - for Touring & backpacking - 1st choice
Of course, the MGU is an e-bike system only, but you can deactivate the assistance at any time, then the MGU drives like a normal Pinion gearbox. This is also how the system behaves when the battery runs out, but don't worry, there is still enough remaining capacity for up to 1,000 gear changes, but the system needs to be turned on in order to shift.
Finally, cant wait to build a bike with this tech.
Planning an e-trike build, haven't checked this price on this thing but learning how to weld sounds like a good idea 😅
Looks like a very good system.
Really amazing, I hope I can get my hands on a bike with the MGU this year already, since I'm in the market for one - or I'll have to wait until 2024 😂
This makes much more sense over all the alternatives to me.
...match this powertrain with a rear hub regen unit...the game leaps ahead..😎
Nice but drive belt tension spring IS vulnerable to damage so a small shield is needed to prevent rocks ect. from making you walk not ride your very expensive bike back...
Mi sueño hecho realidad, ojalá lleguen rápido a todo el mundo, para poder tener una bicicleta con este motor, y más nunca utilizar una transmisión antigua, del siglo pasado,, grande pinion sigan así, tesla de la bicicleta!
Is everything powered by the battery pack? What happens if the battery pack is discharged? Will the gearbox be stuck in the last gear that it was using before power ran out?
No that will not happen, even if the batterie is empty and the motor won't support you anymore, you simply ride a normal Pinion Gearbox and the system will use the last batterie capacity to shift the gears (there will always be enough capacity left for you to ride back home).
@@PinionChannel Is power required to keep the gearbox in a particular gear? In the very unlikely scenario where battery fails or get stolen, is the bike rideable?
@@Airboy123 If you don't turn on the e-bike system at all, the last gear you have shifted in will stay until you change the gears again. So it's rideable and in case it gets stolen, you can lock the system in the FIT App before you leave it.
Been waiting for this for like 10 years
If Pinion makes a kit for a direct replacement for shimano EP8, take my money!!!
I like Pinion. I think I would like a gearbox. I know I do not want an e-bike.
Of course not everyone wants an e-bike and our classic gearboxes will be continued as before!
I've been waiting for this a long time. E-bikes mitigate the downsides of a gearbox/belt drivetrain. When will this be commercially available?
That said...regarding the video...I think it was produced by the video editor rather than someone who knows how to convey technical information. All sizzle, no steak.
How much does it weigh compared to a similar motor and drive train?
Amazing !
Eliminates the sheer drudgery of cleaning grime on chains and much easier to transport!
Nice! Next give it regenerative breaking.
Wow! Very cool!
Does the belt detach at some point for maintenance or replacement? Any chance of a setup for recumbent trikes?
Yes for maintance you can loosen the tension on the belt tensioner. For replacement you need to open the frame, which depends on the bike brand and model.
so awesome. I want an MTB with this, but without the spaceship controller and the big fragile screen. Take notes from TQ and specialized on the interface/integration and you have a winner. I also want it to be serviceable so we don't have to throw it away after warranty period it something need service, like with the Shimano motors.
get this bad boy on some affordable builds :)
Don't really care for eMTBs but this makes perfect sense. Get rid of the silly cassette and derailleur already! $400 cassette which is a wear item. Just plain stupid! The internal gearbox is the way and makes even more sense for a high torque eBike.
looking forward to it, great job!!
Congratulation! Well done pinion!
It’s the future
Are your pedal strokes going through the drivetrain? IOW, are your pedal strokes directly turning the chainring, or is it routed through the internal gearing? I don't know if it was yours, but I saw a system demonstrated about a year ago where the pedal stroke was routed through the gearbox before actually turning the chainring.
This gear system may be fine for an electric motor, but it is horrible for pedal power. With all the gears in there, it is probably robbing 10-15% of input power. In a cutaway of this gearbox, I counted 9 visible meshed gears. Each one has bearing or bushings. I hear this requires a yearly oil change, meaning there is windage losses as well from sitting in oil.
Heck yea !!!!!
Good job Pinion 👍🏻 This is pioneering work 💪🏻
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The Germans hit it once again!
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HI from California. Was wondering if there are any bike brands that are (or will be) equipped with this unit.
No question about it - zis is die future 👌💯
Awesome Pinion an absolute game changer! will your grip shifter work with this or do you have to have the new system?
It's available with different shifter solutions, but not with the grip shifter. Most of the bike manufacturers will go for new the TE.1 E-Trgger.