Are The Jedi A Cult? How George Lucas Presented The Jedi Order
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- Are the Jedi a cult? In this video, I take a look at how George Lucas presented the Jedi Order in the original trilogy and then how they were portrayed on Coruscant in the prequel trilogy. It may not be as clear as the dark side and the light side, but what are your thoughts on this?
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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" "Yeah, well, I couldn't choose a life. I was forced to remain pure for the jedi order. My mother was never saved, even though the council had a choice to do so. You're reason was of personal attachment. Even moreso, we were never allowed to have relationships,even though one of the jedi masters have like 5 wives. Why weren't anybody else given that choice? The council and jedi code are absolute. Obi wan, who is the sith now?"
Your*
Although about the five wives master thing I think it was only allowed because his species is rare and he has no personal attachment to his wives or children.
@@lazereodude2924 ok deal, I'm ok with have no personal attachments to my wife or children!! Hell, I do it anyway and I'm not even a Jedi(yet!!)!
@@lazereodude2924 it actually was because his species have a huge male to female imbalance and at the time of the prequels, they need every male they coud get to actually reproduce in order to remain a viable species. He also could have 5 wives and children and not get too attached to them due to how their brains works, that allowed them to care about each other without developing too intense attachment.
Also the statement "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" is an absolute.
This is why Luke’s Jedi order in legends is so amazing and special. He made them properly good and righteous Anakin and let them have control of their own destinies, while teaching his students to control their emotions, like lust, greed, fear and anger, lest they fall to the dark side all while encouraging love. Luke learned from his life, friends and father that live won’t condemn you, it will save you
And then Luke died after living a good life, becoming one with the Force and eventually haunting his great grandson
Well disney said “fuck that legend, its not cannon, here tired, scared, and failed luke as stupid shit oldman”
@@EternalEmperorofZakuulwhat about Qui Gon? Was he not the one who became Yoda’s master after he died, to teach about the powers of immortality? He was the only Jedi who followed the Force and not the Senatz
Sidious definitely had some effect. He told Maul to kill Qui Gon, who knew the Jedi were corrupt. If he had trained Anakin to be the chosen one they would’ve been able to defeat Sidious.
If Anakin was trained by qui gonn. Then Obi wan would have never become a master.
@@malharjaggi he would've been a knight after Qui Gon brought Anakin to the temple most likely
@@CaptainNomae jedi are idiots. Obi wan was just a wannabe
@@malharjaggi why not? He would have just trained a different padawan. That is literally the only requirement to go from knight to master, just train 1 padawan to knighthood
@@jacobviator3118 oh that explains why anakin would mad at the council, he trained a padawan only to have ashoka walk from the order because reasons. So technically anakin should be qualified to be a master.
"Hey kid... wanna be a space wizard"
I had always thought that parents had a concern for the kinds of trouble a force sensitive child could get into when they were left untrained and that the Jedi order was a "Xavier's school for the gifted" sort of deal.
It's been said a few times (once by Ahsoka in The Mandalorian when speaking of Grogu) that it's most likely that younglings will slowly lose their heightened connection to the force and its potential if they never receive any training from an early age and continue it to adulthood.
Even adults already trained in the force can possibly have their connection to it dwindle if they abstain from practicing regularly (even Kenobi is seen having trouble reconnecting to it after roughly a decade of no force usage, although he did have a lot of added trauma impeding his abilities ar first).
In my opinion, the problem with the Jedi was that they were so dogmatic because they didn’t listen to the Force anymore, they listened to the Council. The problem was that the Jedi were overly focused on public opinion and not what should be done, regardless of what was deemed acceptable by the wider galaxy at large.
They were also under the command of the senate, which limited their ability to help the galaxy.
Actually they didn't care about public opinion. By the end of the Clone Wars most of the public didn't like the jedi anymore. But yes their dogma led to their downfall. They didn't listen to public opinion or the senate to decide what should be done they used the jedi code and the council's unwavering devotion to it to decide what they would do.
@@seamus6302 that's what Luke's order does countless times in legends and no one considered them dogmatic infact the fans praise them on it so no that's not entirely true, Palpatine and plegueis were responsible for the jedis decline
@@seamus6302 I disagree. This quote by Mace Windu makes it clear: “Public opinion is swaying against the Jedi. That is becoming clear. This war is becoming less and less popular every day it persists.”
At least the Sith let you have a choice. Can get married have huge families etc.
Jedi can leave the order anytime they want
The Old Jedi Order and Luke’s New Jedi Order allowed families and even encouraged them. It’s only the Jedi Order after the Ruusan Reformations and before Luke’s Order that believed that being a Biological Droid was the way they were supposed to be
@@jacobballou8179 no they can't
You will be hunted down if you leave the order without promisson frome the jedi council
Asoka could leave because she got kicked out
Dooku cold leave because he needed to help the people in he's home world
@@RoyalLegend1000 maybe in some edgy emo legends comic but the mainstream they can leave with no consequences
They can leave if they want. The problem is, the Jedi are over all a good family... so leaving is a huge sacrifice that most Jedi don't want...
I always saw them as kind of like the Knight's Templar of the medieval times. Knights standing up for good no matter what the cost. Just with different swords. ⚔️
To be fair, we’ve seen how incredibly exited the younglings were to get their kyber crystals and how into being Jedi they were in general, I feel like a lot of Jedi (especially during the clone wars era) that didn’t like the order much remained Jedi but just didn’t follow all the principles
I think sidious created the stage for the jedi to lose their way on.
He orchestrated the wars to force them into political and army related conflicts. While doing so they lost what they stand for and only a few (incl ahsoka or bariss) noticed.
I don't think their dogma that forced the way of younglings was part of it tho
I think it had started to happen years before the clone Wars began or even when Sidious was found by Plagueius. The sith Lord only prepared the fuse to the powder keg in the clone Wars.
@@ayushpurohit8266 you are partly correct, it was years/decades before clone wars but it was Palpatine and plegueis
Darth Sideous was the spark that burned the Jedi order to the ground, the Jedi’s lost ways were just the gasoline that fueled the fire.
They had already done so before he gained any influence in the Republic
@@brucejedilee5290 no they weren't the jedi fell because Palpatine had decades before episode 1 to manipulate and cloud the jedi order, both him and his master plegueis did in the darth plegueis book
I don’t think he intended for the Jedi to be perceived as a cult
Palpatine was responsible for the collapse at the time, but he took advantage of the Jedi's blindness and too rigid code; the Jedi teach mindfulness, but completely and bafflingly ignore that connection is a part of the mind. They teach their Padawans to listen to the Force, upto and until their Master or the council tells them to stop. For goodness sake, they preach that Jedi are supposed to be peaceful and not seek conflict but there are literally rituals for creating your own customized and deadly weapon. The point is, the Jedi around the time of the Clone Wars had long since become conceited and obsessed with their own supremacy that Palpatine exploited that.
Lightsabers do not contradict peacekeeping. Finger wagging won’t stop the determined from dunking it out.
Barriss Offee has best described opinion on Jedi, they have lost their ways, basically is that Jedi pretty much became military organization that played politics way too much.
Because of Palpatine
Hmm,that's actually very interesting,I never really thought about it like that 🤔
Yea it's like the way old time heroes are being deconstructed
There own bending dogma
The clone named dogma: 🤨
How does this not get more likes bro this is actually good
Depends on what you mean by “lost their way”? Keeping order in the known galaxy has many fronts.
I feel like the Jedi were portrayed that way in a attempt to show Jedi from their point of view and their enemies. Also to show that any group no matter how pure they can be corrupt.
This is why I consider Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi two sides of the same coin. Both Qui-Gon and Luke are and become the unorthodox Jedi.
Yoda was the main reason the Jedi order fell. That stubborn little toad was 900 years old and it was his way or the highway with little to no compromise and he forced others into his own life or ignorance. It’s one of the main reasons the sentinel Jedi hated the temple.
I think that the Jedi were paranoid about the sith returning and covered it with hubris. They became very strict but some saw the shortcomings.
Maybe the sith were able to do such a thing like cloud the Jedi’s vision and ultimately defeat the Jedi again due to the Jedi losing their way
It was not the sith. At least not directly. You see way before the Jedi temple on coruscant existed there was a sith temple on that very land that the Jedi would build theirs. After the Jedi defeated the sith they built their Jedi temple over the sith temple as a sign of surperiority and the Jedis victory. But after several years the ancient sith temple that existed beneath weakened the jedis ability to see into the future through the dark side that it was clouded in. Not only that but it was also that temple that made the Jedi do things like prohibit marriage and any emotion at all. It basically made them assholes. Long story short; The Jedi ended themselves by building their temple on corsuscant.
The Jedi had some pretty evil aspects to them at that point, even though they were arguably well intentioned. From what I know, Legends Luke changed a lot of the stuff that was mentioned in the video.
What did the jedi do that was evil by their actions alone? Not the result of Palpatine or the darkside?
80 % lost their way 20 % sith lord
No Palpatine had decades before episode 1 to manipulate the jedi order, he played a very very long game
If Qui Gon Jinn had lived they would not have fallen so low
Maybe since he knew
@Bombadil Squire if Qui Gon Jinn survived then Anakin Skywalker would have never fallen to the dark side of the force and that by itself would mean everything changes. With Anakin no longer falling to the dark side Palpatine cannot win the way he did before and so the sith would have been defeated
@Bombadil Squire Qui Gon's death changed a lot. Had he lived and Maul been defeated, he would've trained Anakin to not fall to the dark side, eliminating Palpatine's greatest apprentice. Anakin would reach his potential, then it would be just Sidious and Dooku. While there's no guarantee Qui Gon would persuade Dooku, he might at least weaken his resolve. The Jedi might still have continued on the road to ruin, but the Sith would be defeated, as Palpatine wouldn't match Mace, Yoda, Anakin, and Obi Wan.
They had already done so under his life time
@Bombadil Squire yeah but if he survived it all it would be one hell of a story or at least he survives long enough to have an effect of Anakin preventing a fall to the dark side and so even though he is gone the damage he prevented by being there is still there Anakin never falls to the dark side as he has been trained to deal with his emotions in a healthier manner
"It became an evil thing not because it beared fangs and spilt blood, but because as it watched these actions it chose to do nothing"
With great power comes great responsibility. Self-discipline and sacrifice had to be present in spades or else their power would be used to harm not serve.
Well, the jedi order loosing their way was kind of the whole reason sidious could even attempt to start his plan. That is why qui gonn was so dangerous to his plans
No he started his plan which made them lose their way, he was on the rise to power decades before episode 1 and he manipulated them to the point the public even started to mistrust them
that’s kinda the point of the third movie
They weren't a cult, they were a temple. And they did have freedom to leave.
The Jedi gave the best education and treated their members well.
The only issue was that the Jedi order was overall a great family and you were doing good and meaningful work. So leaving would be a huge sacrifice.
It sucks when you have to choose between marriage or your family and better purpose...
Being a Jedi was a sacrifice so that you could focus more on taking care of the Galaxy...
Though the Jedi will support you if you want to leave and wish you well. You'd be well prepared to take care of your family as well.
Underrated comment. You wrote like a TRUE JEDI!😊
1: It's not easy to leave the only life you know for a huge unknown.
2: Still recruited them as infants and toddlers and indoctrinated them.
3: And the fact that they knew nothing but the Order. They had never known life outside of it, they knew of life outside the Order but never experienced it personally. They were taught to think a certain way and almost everyone they knew and cared about was in the Order. They'd basically wreck their own lives if they left because life outside the Order was nothing like what they're used to and they'd likely be on their own.
4: A sacrifice they didn't choose but were made to make. They could leave but abandoning the only life you know isn't easy.
5: You won't be supported, not meaningfully so. They wish you good luck but you are left on your own without any real support. Ahsoka had no help and was surviving in the underworld living a dangerous life. Dooku did well but the man was rich as fuck so that's not suprising. You won't be prepared because Jedi knowledge is useless in regular life, less you become a mercenary. You don't know how to handle a buisness or do any regular job. Anakin could do well because he is a mechanic but he learned that as a slave, Watto did more to prepare him for real life than the Jedi did. Kenobi? His series is a realistic showing of how he'd end up even without the Empire hunting his kind. He'd survive but won't live that well.
Also what family? You don't have any anymore, the Jedi Order was your family and you left them. You mean their blood family? The ones they don't know and who will possibly be dissapointed in you for robbing them of the honour of having a Jedi in their family? Because that's the sole reason why they so willingly give up their children, they get prestige from it.
👏👏👏THIS
Even Dooku was still held in high regard by enough that his bust wasn’t taken down.
Thank you for this comment. You put it better than I could.
People defending the sith as if they aren't sick murderers
In the end, they WERE kind of arrogant, which I believe lead them to their fall. I do not think, that this was ONLY a battle of good vs. bad, but with a lot problems/fails along the way
Just like big theater dramas here...: Hamlet, MacBeth, the 2 world wars...🤯🤦♂️😱
60%their fault, 40%siduous expediting things
The manipulation Palpatine did was basically just putting the Jedi in the situation where their preexisting flaws would shine the brightest
Most of the jedis faults were also cause there was a sith temple underneath the Jedi one. The Jedi built theirs on top after they defeated the sith as a sign of superiority and victory. Though the sith temple weakened the Jedis ability to see into the future. And it also was the cause of the jedis arrogance (the belief that the sith would never return.) and fear of the sith. The Jedi couldn’t notice palpatine as sidious because of that sith temple. They basically doomed themselves when they built that temple.
Technically yes. But also no
pretty much 50/50 on how the Jedi and Sidious were responsible for their downfall and even a few Jedi Masters kinda forsaw this
No it was 100% Palpatine, he corrupted the jedi for decades before episode 1 slowly changing them little by little
@@Tardisblu11 but they were also blinded by their own unbending dogma and incapability to see through not only Sidious' manipulations but their faulty sense of self righteousness that was a huge factor into why Anakin himself was also manipulated by Sidious
There was a youngling that told Anakin and Yoda that she was leaving the Jedi order because her specific force ability could be used to help people in a different way. Yoda was dismissive of her decision. I was very disappointed but not surprised.
What?
What you said about the Jedi being guardians of the peace. That was told to Luke (and us) by Obi-Wan. Later, Yoda.
Their perception of their order was understandably colored.
I think it’s 25% Jedi’s fault and 75% palpatien
"The Jedi fell long before the purge."
Honestly I don't think that taking force sensitive kids was that evil. With the regular unfairness of life, a force sensitive kid would probably kill it's own parents when it becomes a teenager. It's easier to become a sith than a Jedi in natural conditions.
The issue is that the dogma became more important than the actual reason for the jedi.
Because of Palpatine
There’s an order called the Zeison Sha. They saw the dogmas and life controlling methods of the order and became independent of the order even when the council tried to repair relations.
Today we call it public indoctrination-- I mean-- education.
They definitely got incredibly cult-like just before the PT with a major need to be reformed this loosen the forbiddeness of attachments & let the members be more autonomous.
“I see through the lies of the Jedi”
Anakin
It's more like I see through the "lies" of the jedi.. remember Palpatine told him of their lies... and he is the biggest liar of everyone in star wars.. so their "lies" are only lies in his eye
@@Tardisblu11 ok cool
It was more to the plans of Darth Plagueis and his work through Demask Holdings and the Intergalactic Banking Clan (or IBC) that laid the groundwork, legislation, and lawlessness in the outer rim which caused inner system conflicts, thus driving a wedge between the inner and outer rims, causing worlds to secede. Thus, the justification for creating an army of clones to supposedly fight along with the Jedi, only for them to be betrayed. It was Darth Plagueis who did more than any Sith Lord prior to Sidious to destroy both the Jedi and the Republic. Sidious didn't do shit. He just took everything from Plagueis which, honestly is something a true Sith would do.
In the episodes 4-6, I always felt the Jedi were a noble order of brave, loyal defenders. People with families, community, and responsibilities. The prequels made them into warrior monks, and yes, arguably cultish. I love the way I perceived the Jedi in the first trilogy, but I can’t stand how they occurred to me in the prequels and beyond.
That's because of Palpatine, for decades before episode 1 he was manipulating the jedi slowly pushing them into warrior monks until they were a shadow of their former selves
Just because that how you felt it was dosen't make it so.
See what happened is that Anakin brought balance to the force. I don't know why this is so hard for people it's in the first movie and they spend the rest of them showing how powerful and self interested the jedi order has become. All this stuff is part of George Lucas showing the audience how the prophecy is playing out.
Jedi dug their own grave palpatine just pushed them in
It's a profound story of people who begin with a good idea which then becomes stiff and lifeless over time because of routine, complacency and attachment to the comfort zone. It's a good myth to contemplate.
Entirely because they lost their way. Sidious and Plageus just planned to take advantage of that. They were already weak on the inside and didn't know it yet. The way they initially turn on Ashoka is evidence of that.
They didn't plan to take advantage of that they caused it
Damn, for a faction portrayed as the good side for the entire saga, the Jedi always have something that would make it a cult or the space wizard version of Catholic School or something. This is why I prefer the Sith, they can do whatever they want
The idea of getting to choose your own path in life is only really about a hundred, hundred fifty years old at most, so using the fact that children are brought into the Order when they're little isn't necessarily a mark in the "its a Cult" column.
Sure their hubris and political bickering is what led to their downfall. That was the point Lucas was making in the prequels; "over a thousand generations of Jedi knights were keepers of peace and justice in the old Republic...before the dark times...before the Empire..."
You could leave the order when you wanted to and most thought it to be a great honor to give there child to the order
Yes. And those who didn't weren't forced
I'd say the Jedi Order was already close to the edge of their own destruction due to thousands of years of close minded-ness and the inflexible attitude in their teachings that almost all Jedi by then weren't "numbed" emotionally to aggressive situations and when they were put into those situations then most would lose their rational and rely purely on the emotions at the time and think about it later or die because of that, which is why so many Jedi were either dying or turning to the dark side during the clone wars because they didn't know how to deal with those emotions in those situations
Only 20 Jedi left under Yoda and they left willingly.
I don't know if I'd call it a cult, but the Jedi order definitely became stagnant and unchanging somewhere between it's conception and the prequels
Darth sidious may have been the ultimate conclusion of the Jedi, but the Jedi's inability to change adapt and even evolve essentially is what did them in
I always thought the younglings had the force within them because they were targeted by the sith. And Anakin Skywalker was a younglings once he was forced into the Jedi order it was a choice he wanted Qui Gon Ginn saw something in Anikan...
Qui gon was the only jedi left who was manipulated or stood around for politics and doing things on his own terms and make sense why plagues fear and wanted him gone for anakins sake
The Jedi definitely fell because they lost the way. Darth Sidious wouldn't have been able to effectively conquer the Republic if the Jedi were still prepared for a Sith uprising. Darth Bane's rule of two is the only thing that kept the Sith alive but it blows my mind that the Jedi swept the Sith under the carpet and completely forgot the purpose of being a Jedi.
Y'know, I'm really surprised at the lack of resentment towards the Jedi from padawans. They're taken from their parents/homes, told they were going to become Jedi. But alot of them didn't become Jedi, did they? The ones who failed the trials couldn't even go back home. They were however given the choice to continue to serve the council. As collectors, explorers, scholars, or just outcasts. Been awhile since I've read that bit, so if I'm wrong, just correct me. Don't crucify me.
If the Jedi didn't lose their way and weren't like a cult order 66 (in revenge of the sith) would be so much more emotional
They were never a cult. And it was emotional thanks to the series.
It depends on which area you're talking about because in the Republic area or prequels yes the Jedi work corrupt in the Old Republic so I'm not so sure and in the time of the new Republic or at least the one with Luke they were pretty decent but still follow the lines of the Republic a little too closely
If you think the Jedi are bad/corrupt and the Sith good/free you missed the entire meaning of Star Wars..... 😑
I agree and there’s just no denying that Jedi try to be good and free but they sometimes don’t do a good job at it.
Ah….21 Masters. The last one wouldn’t have been given a status in the temple, because he destroyed the Jedi.
If the Jedi had just been more flexible instead of like strict priests then Anikan would have been fine.
I dont think he ever intended for the jedi to be portrayed in a negative light
I think he simply wanted to show why the jedi lost to such a powerful political empire, and how their traditional ways and getting involved in such a decisive war led to their downfall
The jedi werent ever suppose to fight wars. They were always suppose to be peacekeepers first. And the galactic civil war only made them become hardened soldiers commanding armies
Now granted, making children separate from their family at a young age to be taught under the jedi way is a little...suspicious
But if you played kotor or read the books youd understand they did this to prevent attachments and prevent the force sensitive child from falling to the darkside (as jedi saw attachments as the easiest way to fall). In star wars lore, it was a precaution to prevent another sith uprising and to raise the child to be aligned with the light. It was also seen as a high honor by the families who gave their children to the jedi (I think some were compensated but Im not a lore expert).
Im mot defending all the actions of the jedi. But they do what they do with good intentions. Its just the galactic civil war corrupted their viewpoint as peacekeepers and turned them into soldiers, which lead to their downfall.
In legacy canon, luke even acknowledged this and rewrote the jedi code to prevent stuff like this from happening (too bad disney bastardized luke's character and makes him into a paranoid teacher)
I get what your saying but if you remember KOTOR 2, one of the last Jedi, I think her name was Atris, was stated to have been your former Padawan. Having no attachments leads to her forming one with you only to find out she has fallen to the dark side near the end. She even says that she would have fought in the Mandolorian War with you if you had asked. That same war lead to you having lost your connection to the Force due to the screams of the dead deafening you to it. Trying to keep them from forming attachments just means you don’t really notice when they form. Teaching kids to feel nothing all the time just leads to them not having any idea how to control those emotions when they surface. It’s telling that the moment things get out of hand in the galaxy, the Jedi are nearly completely wiped out. They have good intentions but we all know the saying about those and Hell.
They lost their way with the best of intentions. That is a very dangerous path.
I would probably just learn how to use the force then dip out of the order. Maybe live a quiet life as a body gaurd or a advisor for a senator
I mean I mean there was a reason for why Anakin and Padmae (sorry for misspelling) love was forbidden in the Jedi order especially with a politician I think it was obvious the Jedi never really trust politicians but only agree with the politicians to avoid conflict yeah it didn't make sense for the most part but really only focused on preserving the Jedi order that's why Anakin was initially denied cuz Yoda believed and it can would bring the downfall of the Jedi order the only reason why Yoda overturned the Jag council all's decision was a Goodwill gesture to to Qui-Gon's apprentice Obi-Wan and to probably honor qui-gons final wish to see Anakin trained in the ways of the force
Sidious seen how bad it was and he knew he could easily take advantage right under their noses
I've always seen the Order as a nonintentional allegory to the Pharisees in the gospels. Anakin is obviously some version of a Christ figure, and I feel like Vader represents the time Jesus waited before resurrecting. It's not perfect, but there's something there.
I think the 20 jedi may have been the jedi knowing the secret under the temple during there move to coruscant. After the destruction of the sith.
Sidious new the jedi order during the clone wars were too blind to see his treachery, and he took advantage.
Well he did kinda help to blind them even more by hiding his dark presence n therefore his whole evil plan
I was just a business man, doing business...
To be fair:
The amount of times the Jedi order falls 2 random teens need to stop the rullers who often are Darth Sidius(Man he back again ugh)and a messed up "goverment" like the only time we see the Jedi order actually do something is joing a war and then getting destroyed by clones😑
I've always viewed the Jedi vs Sith ideologies as less "good vs evil" and more extreme control (Jedi) vs extreme freedom (Sith)
Always? It's true that they were presented differently in the original trilogy. If you've always viewed them that way, I wonder how old you are.
@@4891MR I grew up with the prequels. I didn't watch the originals until I was in my twenties 😅
Hmm interesting. I often viewed it like this.
The Jedi: the good of all, above the good of one. Seek peace and harmony for all, selfless.
vs
The Sith: for the good of oneself. Seek control and power for oneself only, selfish intent.
If anything, the Republic might have had extreme freedom, not the Empire. That is in the Sith Code, isn't it? Control others to free yourself? I guess it all begs the question, If you control yourself to free others, then are you truly free? At least it has to truly be your own free choice.
The Sith are more like “extreme freedom for me, not for thee!”
The Jedi are only controlling in that they train themselves and condition their numbers to essentially inoculate them. They have yet to plan or even desire domination.
Good and evil are entirely subjective.
damn i didnt realise only 20 jedi left. Is that including ones who turned to darkside?
The Empire strikes back was the last Star Wars movie made
Once the Jedi allowed the Republic to use them as soldiers they lost their way..and their demise was inevitable..Sidious was just the on to twist the knife deeper!😂😂
They Jedi became too ridged which led to their downfall so literally in my honest opinion Bruce Lee would've been the best Jedi because "Be like water..." is LITERALLY how the Jedi are supposed to be/act...
It was at least 75% their own fault! They refused to see what was blatantly obvious because of their rigid adherence to outdated ideologies and traditions. Sidious really wasn’t all that subtle in retrospect!
Your profile picture is similar to the animation sins profile pic
Reds a better colour for a light that's all I'm saying
I mean that was the point of the sequels, how the Jedi lead themselves to their own downfall
Anakin Skywalker was right the Jedi had lost their way
Have you people not watched the clone wars series????
not to mention their warcrimes against battle droids
well yes but actually a Jedi can leave the order there were only 20 master that left but lower ranked Jedi were not counted that have left it just that only 20 master were counted as a master leaving is bigger then a knight or Padawan leaving
I don't think the Jedi as we see them in the prequels was as they were meant to be. What we see the movies is a dieing corrupt order in it's final days.
It's always a bad idea to mix religion with politics and that was part of the Republic's downfall. Anakin Skywalker was actually highly intelligent and very wise but easily manipulated because of his emotional problems. If Anakin would have not gone to the dark side he probably would have ended up like qui-gun Jinn. I believe Anakin would have started his own Temple. I would love to see an alternate universe of this, it would be quite the storytelling.
Cult doesn't mean evil. Every major religion was considered a cult until it became powerful enough
Children were actually forced in the comics they were taken from their family’s.
Could the jedi go on vacation,celebrate holidays or visit their parents?