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Never enough. If the old series isnt gonna finish? Maybe a Spinoff that lets the old characters wrap up a few things (as a side-plot) could be worthwhile, maybe sellable.
I always liked Brock because as masculine as he was, he was comfortable enough to be affectionate with the boys and have feminine hobbies and be friends with gay men. He never shamed anyone for not fitting his standards of manliness. He let people live as they wanted.
I'm only part way through the show, but he says and does a few things which make him far from perfect, such as with Bigfoot and his boyfriend, or around Hunter.
@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 You should keep watching, both of those plot points actually return later in the series with brock acting much more pleasant now that he's adjusted to the weirdness.
@@the_exegete I disagree, the bartender was specifically fucking with him lol. Pretty much every season 1 interaction with hank starts to show you that he's not just a murderous killing asshole that you originally think he is in the pilot.
I had honestly half-thought it already was canceled. Tonally, that last episode kind of felt like a LAST episode. A series finale, instead of a season filnale. Learning there could have (would have) been more is bringing up the disappointment I'd already laid to rest.
The thing that breaks my heart about this cancellation the most is that we would have waited forever. We had waited, years between seasons, and we would have continued waiting. Hell...I'm sure a lot of us will still wait. There was no real demand for expedience, but the viewers would still be there. It just feels like it didn't NEED to be cancelled. For years it was a show that didn't rely on deadlines to be successful. The story, and characters were strong enough to keep us coming back nomatter how long it took. And I guess, I just assumed it would always be there, atleast till it came to some kind of conclusion. That it wasn't a matter of "if", but "when". And it really hurts in a unique way, among all if the media I've consumed, that this wasn't the case.
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d I didn't exactly get access to adult swim but I am sure my country's equivalent got shows from there.... Aqua teen hunger force, moral orel, robot chicken, clone high, and anime.... All the anime.......
It's the fox way, pump it as long as you can. And as an added bonus for them its old enough to have developed nostalgic attachment and the actors cant age out of the roles. Its the perfect monster of low effort marketability.
Family Guy can limp on because it pulls numbers and they can hire a bunch of shitty writers to crank out episodes for it, with most of the original writers and producers barely chipping in. A lot of love and energy goes into Venture Bros seasons, and I'm sure Adult Swim was already annoyed that there was so much time spent between seasons of VB
I don't think it's entirely fair to depict Brock as a one-note masculine ideal. A large part of his character is that he could be doing much more with his life, but he routinely turns down opportunities for more glamorous and action-oriented missions because he views Doc and the Boys as his own family and wants to protect them. Even when he goes "rogue" in season 4, he admits that the worst part about it was not being able to let Hank and Dean know that he was still protecting them.
If you look at the show the osi or “good guys” are representing of conformity and orderly society but most of the villains in the guild are based off counter culture artists, musicians and writers. I think it shows exactly what society view those as deviants that don’t mesh perfectly with orderly society. This show is extremely well written and deep while still trying to be entertaining and funny without being up it’s own ass.
The villain faction, however, has been co-opted into maintaining that anti-deviancy. That's a lesson too. Hegemony will use even deviancy itself to maintain the status quo. It carves out a spot for deviancy to keep it from actually changing anything.
Is hill I dunno it was always consistently good but never was a main stay in the cultural consciousness unlike rick and morty which was way to into itself.
Shoutout to multi-instrumentalist and composer Jim Thirlwell, a.k.a. Foetus, one of the greats of '80s industrial music, for providing the excellent score to The Venture Bros. I have no doubt he'll keep finding work, but still.
@@andrealuis301 He is an under appreciated musical genius. 2 promo displays we left on the wall for years in Red Rhino Records shop were Swans & Foetus...much to the annoyance of the promo guys who wanted the space for new releases.
This show being canceled is an actual travesty. Like as a business decision I can see why it was (7 seasons in 15 years is definitely not a standard television production schedule) but it just goes to show how making actual art doesn't fit within the capitalist framework, because it takes, y'know, time and dedication and real human beings that aren't forcing themselves to work like machines and churn out factory standard products.
That's what I love about adult swim. They have so many atypical properties. I love how they give lesser known creators shine too. I hope they dont become a cookie cutter network.
@@BrianHenson95 On one hand, Adultswim brought back Samurai Jack, continueef Toonami, made Primal, made Tigtone, and is in support with Smiling Friend made by an internet animator. It also took in Tuca and Berdie and Final Space. On the other hand, Adultswim is getting a bit bigger, under the eyes of AT&T (the company that cancelled Venture Bros), and will loose there syndicated shows like Family Guy and King of the Hill, so they are more vulnerable to losing profit. Adultswim still retain it's uniqueness, but who knows for how long.
@@allendepacheco3419 I'm almost certain that VB's high production costs are why the overlords canned it. There's a reason 12 Oz Mouse is still running.
Zoe Zelia I mean, the peace sign on the doll isnt the impact itself. It could be read a sign that a corporation felt enough social pressure to make a gesture to an activist movement, however meaningless. It’s like the gay rights movement-changing the Pepsi logo to be rainbow for a month is essentially meaningless, but it reflects how far gay rights has come in society.
@@briennekennedy373 LGBTQ+ rights is a tricky one though. The fresh rise of fascism is threatening to throw all of that progress straight down the drain. Just like how 9/11 polarized the west back into a warlike footing.
@@natsume-hime2473 Not really, even the use of still legal transgender panic laws (which can allow criminals to get away with murdering trans people) have been in considerable decline, progress is progress, and despite the authoritarain measures taken by these leaders, or the rise of far-right hate groups, gay rights won't be falling into the trash bin anytime soon.
Honestly it is a miracle that the show lasted as long as it did. Mike Lazzo, the head of Adult Swim, was just a huge fan of those old cartoons you mentioned. It stayed on because Adult Swim was his baby and he could do what he wanted with it. Adult Swim has grown too big to be run that way, and the Disney-Fox merger has forced them to change. What is Adult Swim without Family Guy, Bob’s Burgers and King of the Hill? We don’t know yet but their old model of having their original content piggyback on those more popular shows just won’t work anymore.
I haven’t kept up with them due to not watching much normal television anymore. But that’s sad if they are abandoning its original content, that was the only reason to watch it. Without that they have nothing
Funny thing is that I've never seen any of those popular shows in the adult swim we got here in argentina, so I found it super weird to see those shows next to things like spaceghost or birdman
The bigger impetus to me is the WB/AT&T deal, which got less press but is looking to be a huge issue. Effectively, ATT bought WB for 85.4 billion, in large part because the CEO of ATT thought WB could go toe to toe with netflix in the streaming warz and saw money there. The past few years though have seen a bunch of people who made WB big leaving (Mike Lazzo left, the HBO exec in charge of programming left), and HBO Max just launched in arguably its best possible environment (big pandemic so everybody has to stay home and watch stuff) only to have the cultural impact of an air-y fart. This, combined with the closure of theaters leaving WB stuck with expensive assets it cant cash out until theaters reopen, has ATT scrambling; they gutted DC, theyve supposedly been talking about selling stuff like Crunchyroll, and VB got cancelled in the middle of all this. The adult swim twitter account said they want to help it get a new home and are sad to see it go, and it had already been renewed years ago, so it hits me as ATT throwing "dead weight" out the back of the burning plane because it wasnt likely to have a big ROI or come soon enough for them
20:37 Remember the episode ALL THIS AND GARGANTUA-2? One thing that sticks out to me about it is how Brock calls JJ Venture a "problem child" because he refuses to play by Venture Bros. universe rules, but... in a weird way, I feel like that makes him a success by the show's standards. He created basically the Venture bros. equivalent to Apple and smartphones, and was responsible for genuine advancement in this universe. Also, remember Dr. Venture's childhood trauma is... much more pronounced than you think. Even more than the "That is my _life_" scene implies. This is a dood who had an addendum added to the Unusual Torture Act because of him, had to kill a man with a house key when he was ten, and his happiest childhood memory stems from being kidnapped. No matter how much you think you can describe how broken he is, _you will fail_.
Even JJ fell victim to his own sort of nostalgia/cultural myth. JJ lived his entire life trying to model Jonas' public "paragon of humanity" persona and, later on, the modern myth of the self-made Silicon Valley titan. He was arguably successful at modelling that, but not without it having a huge impact on his personal life and sense of fulfillment upon death.
Tbh rusty died probably alot The whole clone bit and how the master says how their genetic material is highly unstable. Dean and Hank can probably never have normal kids. Still Dean becoming more like rusty and hank like brock in terms of killing potential. Though because of Brock and Rusty they came out much better and healthier than Rusty did with his dad.
im glad this got the movie it deserved!! moral orel is a close second for the best AS-produced thing and i dont think were ever getting anything more for that lol
Adult Swim, when they allow it, has some pretty awesome shows. But unfortunately, the candle that shines twice as bright burns half as long. If you're looking for some more shows that take a genre and put their own genuine spin on it I'd suggest The Orville.
I think why we don’t see it much is because TV doesn’t like to take a risk, much like Hollywood they would rather support what is considered safe and marketable.
You can't really find that on TV even when Venture Bros was airing. I might be exaggerating, but one thing I like about the show is their ever growing world building and removing their status quo. One might think it is just some parody to old cartoons and comic books, but the show really blossom into something different yet familiar. The characters stay the same but changed. The writing can be comical and serious. And each season feel more fulfilling despite then being shorter and the breaks being longer. Tbh, I don't think we deserve Venture Bros since very few people talked about it despite praising others shows for doing similar feats that Venture Bros did years ago. I hope someone put it on HBO Max, so we can bing watch it and telling the higher ups that: Hey, we got money, and we want more of this shit. Sure ranting on AT&T and making petition sounds easier, but if corporate cancelled the show because they think it's not profitable, it would make sense for us to vote with our wallets and views.
I mean cable TV isn't the place to find it. Streaming is where its at for adult animation right now. But also there are PLENTY of lovingly crafted animated shows that came out within the last few years Its just that the adult swim audience isn't what they're going for.
I wouldn't call Gurren Lagann deconstruction of its particular subgenre at all. If anything, it's a extravagant, shameless celebration of mecha anime tropes, to the point of being a pastiche work.
Agree. I really love Gurren Lagann, but most elements of classic mecha were use upfront, sometimes as jokes, but never really analized. I was expecting him to mention Evangelion or Madoka as deconstruction of genre, but maybe that was too obvious?
It was actually originally going to be another deconstruction, but after NGE _AND_ FLCL (which, admittedly not as much a deconstruction, still kind of falls in that area), the creators saw the writing on the wall and went "You know what? Let's just lean into this, have some fun" you can see the seeds of another deconstruction in the first... 7 or 8 episodes iirc, episode 4 being so trash was intentional, send the episode to be animated by another team, make the plot totally disconnected and irrelevant, parody shows with strong starts falling over themselves immediately, etc
It's a 'deconstruction' of the depressing and sad mecha genre(Like Eva) which is itself a deconstruction of the over the top optimistic mecha genre which was the norm previously. So only a deconstruction if the watcher somehow managed to miss a majority of the genre.
@@skabicus8796 It pretty much ticks off every box on the standard mecha anime setting and plot list(Circa 1990s) then subverts the hell out of them. Young boy thrust into the cockpit of the giant awesome robot to save the world by his mysterious father who vanished mysteriously? Yep, but as he's a kid abandoned by his dad he's got severe emotional issues. And he has no idea how to pilot it which gets people maimed and killed. And piloting it is physically and mentally traumatic. And he naturally freaks out and wants away from said situation as he's now a child soldier. Brash rival/love interest? Yep, but she's a damaged as he is and her brashness and ego naturally cause serious tension between her and Shinji that makes getting along basically impossible. And being eclipsed by the newbie shatters her ego and leads to a complete mental breakdown. And her ego is caused by a severe inferiority complex that taints every aspect of her life. Waifish bizarre love interest? Check. Except her inhuman origins mean a horrific backstory and abuse, a lack of socialization means she is almost incapable of connecting with people, her artificial origin means she is treated as disposable, and her special connection to the mech means it wants her dead. And her dramatic endgame breaking free of those controlling her literally results in the death of everyone due to said socialization issues means she doesn't recognize that Shinji is basically undergoing a full mental collapse. Awesome robots? Check. Except they are pretty shitty with almost no battery life and aren't robots at all. And their big shiny finishing moves are a very bad thing rather than an awesome powerup. And require human sacrifice to build. Mysterious father? Check. Except someone who would abandon their kid like that would be a terrible person. And his connection with mystery waif is creepy as hell rather than humanizing. And his grand plan only succeeds in making everything worse as the giant ominous conspiracy is flat out better at it than he is. You've got to remember, before NGE the darkest and most hardcore mecha around was Gundam. Which is, even at it's most serious and deep, is still lighthearted. Just about every one has the heroes be some young kid dropped into the cockpit and being awesome pilots saving the world against the evil bad people, usually with some special magic power. With the trauma of being, you know, child soldiers thrust into war being limited to the occasional speech and poignant moment and the really bad stuff pretty much never really directly affecting them. Just compare Shinji to Amuro or Heero. You've got a traumatized and completely unprepared teen, a psychic superhuman who mastered piloting by reading the manual really well, and a ultracommando trained from an incredibly young age to be amazing at everything who's only negative effects from said abuse being he's kind of a dick sometimes. But he got over it.
We still need know what happened to Hank. Where is he going? Is he going to find his mom? What will the Monarch do now that he knows Rusty is his brother? Who is the person in the Bear suit? Did Vendata actually kill Jonas Venture? We need answers!!! Also I have this theory that Rusty and dr. Quymn are half siblings.
Right? Season 7 was REEEAAALLLYYY good, and I was so pumped to see where they took Hank's arc after that massive change. What sucks is I feel like they were nearing endgame at this point, like I could've seen them make one final season after this one and have it end on a high note.
Wait.... The Monarch finding out that Rusty is his brother? Did The Venture Bros just pull a Gold Member on us? Fuck, no wonder it got cancelled. (This is mostly a joke.)
Man, I still remember watching the first season of Venture Bros when it was first airing. I remember thinking it was/would be a special show, even back then when it was starting out. I've actually not seen the latest season (I was waiting to marathon the whole thing again in one go), but hearing about it getting cancelled was like a gut punch. Inevitable, and a miracle it was allowed to last this long, but a gut punch.
As someone who grew up in post-USSR territory it's absolutely fascinating to see how complex the worldview we all called "Western" truly is. And how it's both truly, categorically different and frighteningly similar to ours.
Gin is a horrible father. He didn't leave to go be a Hunter, he left because he didn't want to stay. His aura power fits him perfectly because he can do anything that he understands, but he calls nothing his own. Gon and his mother are barely concepts to Gin.
I'm not entirely sure where you got this from, though I'm potentially entirely in the wrong here. I was under the impression that his ability to copy wasn't a nen ability, but just him able to mimic by... mimicking. I don't know that he's ever said anything about being able to copy "any power" that he figures out. at the very least, I don't recall him saying anything like that in early dark continent chapters. (also, nitpick: it's "Ging")
I remember I would catch Venture Bros every so often when I was watching my Fullmetal Alchemist and Inuyasha. I was always "huh this is weird? I vaguely remember Johnny Quest, is this the same show?" Years later I had something of an Adult Swim awakening where I actually watched a full episode of Venture Bros and was cracking up laughing. I can't remember if it was the court episode or the pilot episode with the "OOOOO" gun but either way I was hooked. I had to watch every episode and got crazy invested in all of the characters storylines (I adore Henchman 21's arc and Dr. Mrs. Girlfriend's rise to being one of the leaders of the Guild of Calamitous Intent) and bought all of the seasons available on DVD.
As an aside, the cancellation of the Venture Bros brings up another issue. I _watched_ the Venture Bros back in the day. I think I watched the first 4 seasons? I loved the show. But I went on to do other things, some not even related to consuming media -- gasp. But there's a sort of feeling of "what have I done" hearing that the show was cancelled, because of the underlying understanding that for a show to keep existing, it must be watched by as many people as possible so that advertisers can reach as many people as possible and pay the network/platform to then trickle-down some scraps of payment to the show. And so, there's pressure on us to consume ALL the media content we, in theory like. Even if you're not in the mood to watch it now -- this hour, this day, maybe not even this year. Because if you don't, it'll go away and you won't be able to come around to it later to enjoy it. That's pretty messed up. How often have you said or heard someone say "I _need to_ watch that." Not because they actually want to, but because of the subconscious understanding that we must consume content if we want that content to be there when we actually _do_ want to watch it. On the flip side of that... why do we care so much? What I saw of Venture Bros was great, but if it just vanished completely, so what? It's just a story, and humans have the ability to make up new stories ALL THE TIME. Heck, if you embrace the "nothing new under the sun" idea, then probably someone will make up a story that just so happens to be exactly Venture Bros, right? Close enough, anyway. So why do we allow ourselves to be driven to devoting our time to consuming media even when we don't really want to? Certainly there are social pressures. By saying that I have enjoyed VB, I can become part of an in-group of people who also enjoyed the show. Now, I may have to prove my right to membership of that in-group by using references, reciting quotes, etc. But... why should I be so concerned about being ostracized from that group if I can't validate my membership and I get kicked out (I am terrible at recalling quotes). Is my identity and access to social groups really that contingent on this stuff? I don't really have any answers here... just having another "damn, capitalism has made our society f-ed up" moment. As one does. One other aside: I do suppose that if we value 'lessons' found within the text of Venture Bros, then the concept of losing the show, or at least having its continuation ceased, feels like losing access to knowledge. I don't think this is ultimately true (the creators are still around, and the underlying lessons exist in all sorts of other works), but it does feel that way. Even if it was just a cartoon.
I regularly find myself reminding people that I think I would enjoy a piece of media they're pushing me to watch, but do not have the time to consume all media that I love, let alone like. Definitely a palpable pressure to watch things.
I'm so glad someone else found Venture Bros at a way too young age and didn't understand a lot of it, then came back as an adult to fully appreciate it.
Watched the show as an adult from its premiere. No one has ever done a better job of pulling my thoughts about the show over the last 20 years and putting them in one place. One of the best and most relevant animated series of all time and perhaps the most accurate breakdown of it that I’ve ever seen. Well done my friend! 🤓👌 And it’s not gone forever, too many fans and new fans everyday. It will return in some form or fashion again.
I watched Harley Quinn with my buddy and I kept saying, "This show is straight up Venture Brothers." I love HQ and VB so it wasn't a bad thing but the villains and heroes having factions and the violent humor and boisterous personalities are so VB.
I started watching Venture Bros sometime just before season 2 came out (when I graduated from college, so I feel old today) and its very weird watching a show that matures with you over that many years. Everytime there was a new season (after my shock it hadn't been canceled) or a new special a year before a new season (the teasing) I'd prepare myself for the show not being what it was or really being too much of what it was, stagnating in the past but that didn't happen. arg, how ordinary would Venture Bros have been if it had centered on Brock. I will never understand the fans who couldn't get past early interviews where Public & Doc talked about the show being about failure and couldn't understand the idea that at and some point it might be how you keep living after a failure.
You don't have to feel old - I was 30 when the first season debuted! This show was a rarity in that (IMO) it just got better with each successive season. Even with the lengthy breaks between releases, I never lost hope that the next season was just around the corner. Even though I time-shift EVERYTHING that I watch, I ALWAYS watched Venture Bros in real time - that's how much I loved (and still love) this show. As Jack said here, what began as a Johnny Quest parody developed into SOOOOO much more than that. For my money, this was one of the most smartly-written shows on TV. True character development seems so rare, and Venture Bros had it in spades. The news of the cancellation cut me deeply.
@@Slop_Dogg I think they mean that people post live reaction videos of shows which are watched by people who want to see a show without paying for it (I did that with Rick and Morty when I didn't have Netflix). Maybe it's also a reference to comment/parody videos of popular franchises which can get you a decent amount of clicks.
Tell me about it. I found out like a week ago and I'm still mad. I really loved the worldbuilding and it's wonderful story. And it told it's worldbuilding lore naturally and with subtext and stuff. Like the furnace of swords was awesome and the caves backstory and so many other things.
I've always been somewhat intrigued by the youtube username "Hunter x Hunter dickriding association" (or possibly "dickrider") and you seem like a person who could explain at least part of that username to me. Would you be so kind to do so?
@@camelopardalis84 A LOT of people think Hunter x Hunter is the absolute best show ever and will constantly praise the show, with some people even exaggerating said praise. This is known as "Dick Riding". As so many people do this it's a bit of a meme that there's an entire association made solely to praise this one show.
If he does I NEED him to include the Ging was mpreg theory. The theory was made based on the island card game arc with the card allowing for someone regardless of gender to carry a baby, with the central theory being "Ging made the game, Ging tested all the cards, Ging tested the rock baby card, Ging had Gon". I personally am obsessed with the theory and take it as canon not because I think Ging is cis, but actually think his story makes so much more sense if he's trans. The desperate chasing of his own father? The 'I don't care' attitude he takes to raising his son when he had to raise himself to be a man? The shitty patchy beard? Ging is trans and you cannot and will not change my mind.
I wonder if this market-driven nostalgic reproduction of past popular culture, and the ultimate cancelation of The Venture Bros. as a consequence of the shows self-actualization, might also have some relation to the the tendency of long-running stories/series/franchises to get stuck in a status quo or, in more severe cases, to refuse to move the timeline forward and instead create prequels and midquels and fill in gaps in the existing timeline.
Just finished the show and that what I love about every season has its own taste specialty season 4-7, them moving to new york brought so much creative stuff to the show, specialty because one of the writers is the biggest marvel nerd. There so many franchises in media where everything just goes back to the status quo either by reboot or in the actual series, example transformer always has to have Optimus, pokemon always going back to gen 1 stuff, tmnt always the same dynamic or get canceled. Even Rick & Morty, toy with their audience about moving things forward but Venture Bros felt more like, an anime or manga where there always twisted and turns with most of the time them never going back like when was the last time, an episode been about a actual adventure lol. The main problem with Venture Bros it started in the wrong decade, if this show was around in 2012, this would have had so much hype on social media but at the same time problem wouldn't have the same creative control, so sadly the show is pretty niche, I mean I didn't even start watching the show till I found out it was canceled. But there still hope, Hbo Max Chief did say plans are in the work.
@@jiabryant533 I think you may have misunderstood. I was proposing that perhaps The Venture Bros. was canceled because it didn't ultimately get stuck in a status quo. Or rather, that the reason other franchises get stuck in a status quo is that the only way they can survive as long-runners is to conform to the market-driven nostalgic reproduction of past popular culture by reproducing their own past.
@@ashikjaman1940 I can do you one even better than that. A lot of Fallout fans say that Fallout isn't a critique of capitalism at it's core. Yet it's plainly obvious that capitalism not only caused the great war, but is responsible for many of the ills of the wasteland. It's why Obsidian went banged people over the head with it, with the hamfistedness of the same critique in The Outer Worlds. Then again Fallout fans who think that there is no critique of capitalism in Fallout, also think Caesar's Legion running the wasteland is a good idea.
@Piss Harrison That's kind of a yikes take there dude I don't inherently disagree with it. From performative ally ship/ wokness and the dirtbag left is a thing but your argument makes it sound like discussing these topics at all is "political posturing" Like that moron that said the Outer World's commentary is too on the nose and unsubtle to have any weight. Like dude do you see the world we live in today? The commentary still has bite you've just be come numb and complaisant to it. Sorry got of topic there but you see my point yes?
This video is low-key extremely profound and a prime example of our culture’s newest primary-mode of information sharing and self-expression we call the Video Essay.
I always get excited when a content creator I follow brings up Moral Orel, which is sort of giving me whiplash now from also being excited about you talking about Venture Bros XD
i'm starving for one of these video essayists to go all in on moral orel, cause it's the kinda show that's too uncomfortable to talk about with other people :')
Honestly, it's worth it. The levels of world building and character growth, both primary and secondary characters, is phenomenal. I will admit, season 1 is kinda rough, but it only gets better as it goes.
If I'm being perfectly honest, I have absolutely no idea how this show possibly managed to make money on the schedule it had and with the quality of animation on display (after season 1). I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lazzo took a huge hit on the show just because it was a personal fav and when the new guy walked in he just immediately balked at the cost. We're lucky we got 7 seasons. I hope the movie is good.
I feel like the best way to describe Venture Bros is that there are multiple characters who start as one note references (to name a few Action Man,Johnny, captain sunshine) who then get developed to become far more interesting then what they originally referenced.
It was my favorite show of all time, I cried when I heard the news, and it felt like no one else cared that it got cancelled. Thank you so much for this video dude
as someone who only woke up their latent writer/creator after like a decade starting two years ago, who knows what an uphill battle there is ahead of them to realize their dream, two things: 1) DO IT DO TF OUT OF IT DO IT *SO HARD* AND DON'T STOP DOING IT STOP EVERYTHING ELSE FIRST and 2) i don't even have a pilot/storyboard/a goddamn intro pamphlet just to get show something to people i want to know i started up again, literally nothing presentable and oragnized as even a single episode of intro material, only scattered art and 500+pages of under-wraps screenplay/narrative no one can really look at cold. so you're already ahead of me who's 10y older and has a couple years of work behind me. you have a huge platform here, i pissed mine away when i left devart; and you have a tight and convincing mission with your story other than "heroes dealing with neoliberal imperialism and also people say fuck." do it and remember this, the whole time. EDIT: vefore i look like THE RUDEST asshole, VB was one of my biggest influences in how it came out of nowhere to capture the tone i felt the world wanted for. seeing you of all people put out such a great essay on the show's themes and legacy (wamp wamp) made my month. thank you for this! now go do your fkin thing!!
Thank you for mentioning Harley Quinn! The shows feel so similar. They both manage to be self aware without it getting old. I'm bottling up all my Venture Bros sadness and getting excited for Harley Quinn season 3
Came here right after finishing the movie. I'm so depressed now that it's over. It's like watching a lifelong friend speak their last words before dying in front of you. Sat in silence after the aftercredits scene when the realization that it's over hit me like a truck.
I have to thank you Jack, ever since you made this video I really wanted to check out the show. I recently got HBO max and got a chance to watch and I've been obsessively watching it for the last month. I just finished the final episode a moment ago and I'm filled with sadness but also gratitude that you brought this show into my life. Thank you.
The creator in June alleges that a spin-off about Wally and Gus is planned but until I see an episode it's not real to me cause I refuse to get my hopes up in freaking 2020....again.
Venture Bros. has always been in my life (born about a week after the second episode) and It's sad to see it come to an end, especially as someone who feels like they didn't give it enough attention (only watched like 3 seasons to its completion, watching the latest season as it was coming out with my dad). I hope that my existence can continue to live on without it.
I don't agree that the shows from the 60s-70s "made" young boys into the types of men they became. I don't agree that they took archetypes from those shows and it influenced them enough to change. I think those shows were just an encapsulation of where the whole society was at. They would be the same people anyways because that's how men were in that time.
as far as sci fi shows on adult swim are concerned, The Venture Bros. completely blows Rick & Morty out of the water imo. The writing never fell flat, the jokes always land and its just way more enjoyable over all
Venture Bros. and Hunter x Hunter are two of my favorite shows, and I really hope that doesn't reflect on the awkward relationship I have with my own father. Great video, Jack!
at 16:48 thats my cowboys and indians playset toy review! ............seems you forgot to link me or give me credit bro!~ I mean im honored you used my stuff, and by chance Im here watching your video. But it would have been good for you to ask! :S
When you've been a fan of the Venture Bros for 17 years, deeply invested for over a decade, cancellation doesn't seem that scary. I've assumed it was cancelled several times without official announcement and it always came back. As long as Time Warner doesn't cuck us it could wind up on HBO Max which would arguably be an even better place for it.
I started rewatching the show after it got cancelled, and Brock as a blood psycopath was the most surprisinging part of Season 1. I'm used to him being one of the more emotionally intelligent main cast members, forgot that he needed development to get to that point.
Not a lot of libertarians (or even Libertarians, as in members of the official political party) like the cops. We view them as state sponsored mafia enforcers tasked with enforcing the laws we see as unjust infringements.
The Venture Bros is unbelievably good. I watched the entire series that had released up to that point several years ago while on a road trip and it just blows my mind how good it is.
I was there at the beginning. I remember being in high school and seeing the pilot episode (The Terrible Secret of Turtle Bay) when it aired in 2003. Then a year went by and we got the first season and I was hooked. It’s the only show that ever held my attention for 7 seasons. So gutted to hear it won’t get a chance to finish. It was fun while it lasted. So long and GO TEAM VENTURE! ✌🏻
This is a well done and thoughtful video, made in tribute to a well done and thoughtful show. I hope that both your channel and this show can find support to continue making content. Thank you
Great video! I really liked your in depth analysis of this beloved show! I think it speaks to why I love this show so much. It’s very unique and sophisticated for an animated show. Years go by and I still get excited when a new season comes out. There are a few things that make this show truly unique. One, if I’m not mistaken, it’s one of the only animated shows drawn by hand and not backed by a big production company, which explains long gaps in between seasons. But it makes me appreciate it that much more. When watching the show, you can tell there was a lot of love put into it. Second, unlike many other animations, the Venture Bros has a story and depth as opposed to single independent episodes. It’s not only one of my favorite shows but it’s a show I can rewatch over and over again and always find something new. It’s a pure joy to watch! I never get tired of it. It’s a world you wish you could live in with all its chaos and madness. It has a timeless charm I think. I really hope the creators make season 8 happen. I know it’s not a mainstream show, but it would be such a shame if the show was indefinitely cancelled without any sort of resolution. Anyways, great job! I hope this video makes a difference. Go Team Venture!✌🏼
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Why you hate moppets?
We all do.
That bicep is all the skills anyone needs to share... Ahem.
@@bisexualichigo4227 Fuck the moppets they killed 24
everyone does except for some reason dr.missus the monarch, the moppets where just really creepy
My only complaint is that there was never enough Dr. Orpheus.
Seconded
He was my favorite
There will never be enough Dr. O
This and for taking 6 seasons to finally give Dr. Mrs. The Monarch a much larger role
Never enough. If the old series isnt gonna finish? Maybe a Spinoff that lets the old characters wrap up a few things (as a side-plot) could be worthwhile, maybe sellable.
I always liked Brock because as masculine as he was, he was comfortable enough to be affectionate with the boys and have feminine hobbies and be friends with gay men. He never shamed anyone for not fitting his standards of manliness. He let people live as they wanted.
That’s good to here
I'm only part way through the show, but he says and does a few things which make him far from perfect, such as with Bigfoot and his boyfriend, or around Hunter.
@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 You should keep watching, both of those plot points actually return later in the series with brock acting much more pleasant now that he's adjusted to the weirdness.
He develops into that. Season 1 Brock is still a toxic asshole.
Super uncool how he killed that bartender.
@@the_exegete I disagree, the bartender was specifically fucking with him lol.
Pretty much every season 1 interaction with hank starts to show you that he's not just a murderous killing asshole that you originally think he is in the pilot.
VB getting cancelled was like losing a best friend.
I too know the terrible pain of loss. The hollowness one feels going through the motions of life, like a living ghost, or a robot.
I'm absolutely crushed at the prospect that those dangling narrative threads won't ever be followed 😭
we were used to waiting a long time between seasons, i can only assume some streaming service will renew it
Michael Rogers God I hope so. If only to finish out a final season. I need closure!
I had honestly half-thought it already was canceled. Tonally, that last episode kind of felt like a LAST episode. A series finale, instead of a season filnale. Learning there could have (would have) been more is bringing up the disappointment I'd already laid to rest.
The thing that breaks my heart about this cancellation the most is that we would have waited forever. We had waited, years between seasons, and we would have continued waiting. Hell...I'm sure a lot of us will still wait. There was no real demand for expedience, but the viewers would still be there. It just feels like it didn't NEED to be cancelled. For years it was a show that didn't rely on deadlines to be successful. The story, and characters were strong enough to keep us coming back nomatter how long it took. And I guess, I just assumed it would always be there, atleast till it came to some kind of conclusion. That it wasn't a matter of "if", but "when". And it really hurts in a unique way, among all if the media I've consumed, that this wasn't the case.
Very well said.
What hurts is that the next season eould have been the last, so we got robed of an conclusion
Honestly, I WAS waiting.
...maybe we can get a movie. Gimmie a feature length Venture Bros. to pop a cherry on top.
@@CrazyRockwell they’re making a movie
Adult Swim really was like lets just have like 5 of the best shows ever at once
Guys, which 5?
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d Venture Bros, Xavier, Moral Orel, and Superjail all overlapped for a bit
It is beautiful
@@ninjageek234 I miss moral orel so much. Trying to explain that show to your friends... Ah.... Classic.
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d I didn't exactly get access to adult swim but I am sure my country's equivalent got shows from there.... Aqua teen hunger force, moral orel, robot chicken, clone high, and anime.... All the anime.......
This show gets cancelled but we can't get rid of Family guy. Life isn't fair.
Fucking seriously. South Park might be Centrist drivel, but they had a damn fine point about Family Guy.
It's the fox way, pump it as long as you can. And as an added bonus for them its old enough to have developed nostalgic attachment and the actors cant age out of the roles. Its the perfect monster of low effort marketability.
Meh Nothing wrong with Family Guy It's better than South Park and in many ways kinda predicted internet humor.
Family Guy can limp on because it pulls numbers and they can hire a bunch of shitty writers to crank out episodes for it, with most of the original writers and producers barely chipping in. A lot of love and energy goes into Venture Bros seasons, and I'm sure Adult Swim was already annoyed that there was so much time spent between seasons of VB
@really dude Yes I do know that Family Guy is funnier than Southwest Park *and I'm tired of pretending it's not*
I don't think it's entirely fair to depict Brock as a one-note masculine ideal. A large part of his character is that he could be doing much more with his life, but he routinely turns down opportunities for more glamorous and action-oriented missions because he views Doc and the Boys as his own family and wants to protect them. Even when he goes "rogue" in season 4, he admits that the worst part about it was not being able to let Hank and Dean know that he was still protecting them.
If you look at the show the osi or “good guys” are representing of conformity and orderly society but most of the villains in the guild are based off counter culture artists, musicians and writers. I think it shows exactly what society view those as deviants that don’t mesh perfectly with orderly society. This show is extremely well written and deep while still trying to be entertaining and funny without being up it’s own ass.
The villain faction, however, has been co-opted into maintaining that anti-deviancy. That's a lesson too. Hegemony will use even deviancy itself to maintain the status quo. It carves out a spot for deviancy to keep it from actually changing anything.
it was a great show and funny, but i think especially as the seasons went on it definitely started climbing up it's own ass a little.
unlike another show that AS is producing rn that is very much up its own ass
Is hill I dunno it was always consistently good but never was a main stay in the cultural consciousness unlike rick and morty which was way to into itself.
Its also pretty obviously commies vs republicans, terrorists vs cops.
Shoutout to multi-instrumentalist and composer Jim Thirlwell, a.k.a. Foetus, one of the greats of '80s industrial music, for providing the excellent score to The Venture Bros. I have no doubt he'll keep finding work, but still.
YES!!! His music is great!!
was looking for this comment!!
that guy will never stop working, a living legend imo
I actually started watching the show cause of finding foetus recently
@@andrealuis301 He is an under appreciated musical genius.
2 promo displays we left on the wall for years in Red Rhino Records shop were Swans & Foetus...much to the annoyance of the promo guys who wanted the space for new releases.
This show being canceled is an actual travesty. Like as a business decision I can see why it was (7 seasons in 15 years is definitely not a standard television production schedule) but it just goes to show how making actual art doesn't fit within the capitalist framework, because it takes, y'know, time and dedication and real human beings that aren't forcing themselves to work like machines and churn out factory standard products.
That's what I love about adult swim. They have so many atypical properties. I love how they give lesser known creators shine too. I hope they dont become a cookie cutter network.
@@BrianHenson95 On one hand, Adultswim brought back Samurai Jack, continueef Toonami, made Primal, made Tigtone, and is in support with Smiling Friend made by an internet animator. It also took in Tuca and Berdie and Final Space. On the other hand, Adultswim is getting a bit bigger, under the eyes of AT&T (the company that cancelled Venture Bros), and will loose there syndicated shows like Family Guy and King of the Hill, so they are more vulnerable to losing profit. Adultswim still retain it's uniqueness, but who knows for how long.
@@allendepacheco3419 I'm almost certain that VB's high production costs are why the overlords canned it. There's a reason 12 Oz Mouse is still running.
@The Mutineers It's cheap and stoners think it's the funniest thing ever.
Honestly a market socialist economy is the only real option for artists that want true freedom.
Ah yes 2004 just Shrek and Warcrimes with a little bit of Justin Timberlake
Timberlake is more 2003
I'm just old enough that my GI Joe had a peace sign because the antiwar movement actually had an impact at the time.
I would question whether a peace sign put on a toy that still promotes state violence to children at the end of the day counts as impact
Zoe Zelia I mean, the peace sign on the doll isnt the impact itself. It could be read a sign that a corporation felt enough social pressure to make a gesture to an activist movement, however meaningless. It’s like the gay rights movement-changing the Pepsi logo to be rainbow for a month is essentially meaningless, but it reflects how far gay rights has come in society.
@@briennekennedy373 LGBTQ+ rights is a tricky one though. The fresh rise of fascism is threatening to throw all of that progress straight down the drain. Just like how 9/11 polarized the west back into a warlike footing.
@@natsume-hime2473 Not really, even the use of still legal transgender panic laws (which can allow criminals to get away with murdering trans people) have been in considerable decline, progress is progress, and despite the authoritarain measures taken by these leaders, or the rise of far-right hate groups, gay rights won't be falling into the trash bin anytime soon.
Bro the original comment was about GI Joe how did it escalate to this?
Honestly it is a miracle that the show lasted as long as it did. Mike Lazzo, the head of Adult Swim, was just a huge fan of those old cartoons you mentioned. It stayed on because Adult Swim was his baby and he could do what he wanted with it. Adult Swim has grown too big to be run that way, and the Disney-Fox merger has forced them to change. What is Adult Swim without Family Guy, Bob’s Burgers and King of the Hill? We don’t know yet but their old model of having their original content piggyback on those more popular shows just won’t work anymore.
I haven’t kept up with them due to not watching much normal television anymore. But that’s sad if they are abandoning its original content, that was the only reason to watch it. Without that they have nothing
It might revived by hbo max.
@@michaelguerrieri3815 Tough luck then because HBO Max hasn't been doing well for AT&T, Adult Swim's new owner, lately.
Funny thing is that I've never seen any of those popular shows in the adult swim we got here in argentina, so I found it super weird to see those shows next to things like spaceghost or birdman
The bigger impetus to me is the WB/AT&T deal, which got less press but is looking to be a huge issue. Effectively, ATT bought WB for 85.4 billion, in large part because the CEO of ATT thought WB could go toe to toe with netflix in the streaming warz and saw money there. The past few years though have seen a bunch of people who made WB big leaving (Mike Lazzo left, the HBO exec in charge of programming left), and HBO Max just launched in arguably its best possible environment (big pandemic so everybody has to stay home and watch stuff) only to have the cultural impact of an air-y fart. This, combined with the closure of theaters leaving WB stuck with expensive assets it cant cash out until theaters reopen, has ATT scrambling; they gutted DC, theyve supposedly been talking about selling stuff like Crunchyroll, and VB got cancelled in the middle of all this. The adult swim twitter account said they want to help it get a new home and are sad to see it go, and it had already been renewed years ago, so it hits me as ATT throwing "dead weight" out the back of the burning plane because it wasnt likely to have a big ROI or come soon enough for them
It's reassuring to see people are still lamenting this cancellation. I feel less crazy.
Oh my god! It’s cool seeing you here.
@@lapaba1236 And you!
20:37 Remember the episode ALL THIS AND GARGANTUA-2? One thing that sticks out to me about it is how Brock calls JJ Venture a "problem child" because he refuses to play by Venture Bros. universe rules, but... in a weird way, I feel like that makes him a success by the show's standards. He created basically the Venture bros. equivalent to Apple and smartphones, and was responsible for genuine advancement in this universe.
Also, remember Dr. Venture's childhood trauma is... much more pronounced than you think. Even more than the "That is my _life_" scene implies. This is a dood who had an addendum added to the Unusual Torture Act because of him, had to kill a man with a house key when he was ten, and his happiest childhood memory stems from being kidnapped. No matter how much you think you can describe how broken he is, _you will fail_.
Even JJ fell victim to his own sort of nostalgia/cultural myth. JJ lived his entire life trying to model Jonas' public "paragon of humanity" persona and, later on, the modern myth of the self-made Silicon Valley titan. He was arguably successful at modelling that, but not without it having a huge impact on his personal life and sense of fulfillment upon death.
SPANIKOPITA!
@@krsmanjovanovic8607 It is, without question, my favorite joke in the entire show.
@@fluffywolfo3663 especialy that 4 seasons long wait for punchline about Brock having countles ilegitimate children in Spanikopita
Tbh rusty died probably alot
The whole clone bit and how the master says how their genetic material is highly unstable.
Dean and Hank can probably never have normal kids.
Still
Dean becoming more like rusty and hank like brock in terms of killing potential.
Though because of Brock and Rusty they came out much better and healthier than Rusty did with his dad.
I'm still upset the best thing AS ever produced was just, unceremoniously cancelled, not even a final season to wrap things up
At least it’s getting a movie now! :)
im glad this got the movie it deserved!! moral orel is a close second for the best AS-produced thing and i dont think were ever getting anything more for that lol
I've been binging a lot of Venture Bros lately. I miss the style of it? Like, it just felt genuinely written. Can't find that on TV anymore.
Adult Swim, when they allow it, has some pretty awesome shows. But unfortunately, the candle that shines twice as bright burns half as long. If you're looking for some more shows that take a genre and put their own genuine spin on it I'd suggest The Orville.
I think why we don’t see it much is because TV doesn’t like to take a risk, much like Hollywood they would rather support what is considered safe and marketable.
You can't really find that on TV even when Venture Bros was airing. I might be exaggerating, but one thing I like about the show is their ever growing world building and removing their status quo. One might think it is just some parody to old cartoons and comic books, but the show really blossom into something different yet familiar. The characters stay the same but changed. The writing can be comical and serious. And each season feel more fulfilling despite then being shorter and the breaks being longer. Tbh, I don't think we deserve Venture Bros since very few people talked about it despite praising others shows for doing similar feats that Venture Bros did years ago. I hope someone put it on HBO Max, so we can bing watch it and telling the higher ups that: Hey, we got money, and we want more of this shit. Sure ranting on AT&T and making petition sounds easier, but if corporate cancelled the show because they think it's not profitable, it would make sense for us to vote with our wallets and views.
I mean cable TV isn't the place to find it. Streaming is where its at for adult animation right now. But also there are PLENTY of lovingly crafted animated shows that came out within the last few years
Its just that the adult swim audience isn't what they're going for.
Your not trying hard enough man plenty of genuine shows out there
I wouldn't call Gurren Lagann deconstruction of its particular subgenre at all. If anything, it's a extravagant, shameless celebration of mecha anime tropes, to the point of being a pastiche work.
Agree. I really love Gurren Lagann, but most elements of classic mecha were use upfront, sometimes as jokes, but never really analized. I was expecting him to mention Evangelion or Madoka as deconstruction of genre, but maybe that was too obvious?
It was actually originally going to be another deconstruction, but after NGE _AND_ FLCL (which, admittedly not as much a deconstruction, still kind of falls in that area), the creators saw the writing on the wall and went "You know what? Let's just lean into this, have some fun" you can see the seeds of another deconstruction in the first... 7 or 8 episodes iirc, episode 4 being so trash was intentional, send the episode to be animated by another team, make the plot totally disconnected and irrelevant, parody shows with strong starts falling over themselves immediately, etc
It's a 'deconstruction' of the depressing and sad mecha genre(Like Eva) which is itself a deconstruction of the over the top optimistic mecha genre which was the norm previously. So only a deconstruction if the watcher somehow managed to miss a majority of the genre.
I'm not necessarily sure if I agree with NGE being as much as a deconstruction as it is portrayed as
@@skabicus8796 It pretty much ticks off every box on the standard mecha anime setting and plot list(Circa 1990s) then subverts the hell out of them.
Young boy thrust into the cockpit of the giant awesome robot to save the world by his mysterious father who vanished mysteriously?
Yep, but as he's a kid abandoned by his dad he's got severe emotional issues. And he has no idea how to pilot it which gets people maimed and killed. And piloting it is physically and mentally traumatic. And he naturally freaks out and wants away from said situation as he's now a child soldier.
Brash rival/love interest?
Yep, but she's a damaged as he is and her brashness and ego naturally cause serious tension between her and Shinji that makes getting along basically impossible. And being eclipsed by the newbie shatters her ego and leads to a complete mental breakdown. And her ego is caused by a severe inferiority complex that taints every aspect of her life.
Waifish bizarre love interest? Check. Except her inhuman origins mean a horrific backstory and abuse, a lack of socialization means she is almost incapable of connecting with people, her artificial origin means she is treated as disposable, and her special connection to the mech means it wants her dead. And her dramatic endgame breaking free of those controlling her literally results in the death of everyone due to said socialization issues means she doesn't recognize that Shinji is basically undergoing a full mental collapse.
Awesome robots? Check. Except they are pretty shitty with almost no battery life and aren't robots at all. And their big shiny finishing moves are a very bad thing rather than an awesome powerup. And require human sacrifice to build.
Mysterious father? Check. Except someone who would abandon their kid like that would be a terrible person. And his connection with mystery waif is creepy as hell rather than humanizing. And his grand plan only succeeds in making everything worse as the giant ominous conspiracy is flat out better at it than he is.
You've got to remember, before NGE the darkest and most hardcore mecha around was Gundam. Which is, even at it's most serious and deep, is still lighthearted. Just about every one has the heroes be some young kid dropped into the cockpit and being awesome pilots saving the world against the evil bad people, usually with some special magic power.
With the trauma of being, you know, child soldiers thrust into war being limited to the occasional speech and poignant moment and the really bad stuff pretty much never really directly affecting them.
Just compare Shinji to Amuro or Heero. You've got a traumatized and completely unprepared teen, a psychic superhuman who mastered piloting by reading the manual really well, and a ultracommando trained from an incredibly young age to be amazing at everything who's only negative effects from said abuse being he's kind of a dick sometimes. But he got over it.
My only takeaway from this video: someone else remembers Moral Orel.
Also, please do a video on Moral Orel. I need to cry some more.
Willd to think of kids watching Morel Orel without a whole childhood's worth of Davey & Goliath for context.
OHHHHH... I didn’t even know that existed...
I love showing the show to my friends from Christian bubbles
We still need know what happened to Hank. Where is he going? Is he going to find his mom? What will the Monarch do now that he knows Rusty is his brother? Who is the person in the Bear suit? Did Vendata actually kill Jonas Venture?
We need answers!!!
Also I have this theory that Rusty and dr. Quymn are half siblings.
Right? Season 7 was REEEAAALLLYYY good, and I was so pumped to see where they took Hank's arc after that massive change.
What sucks is I feel like they were nearing endgame at this point, like I could've seen them make one final season after this one and have it end on a high note.
I really really hope they get to wrap things up somehow
Creators note: Hank died on the way back to his planet.
Wait.... The Monarch finding out that Rusty is his brother? Did The Venture Bros just pull a Gold Member on us? Fuck, no wonder it got cancelled. (This is mostly a joke.)
@@NerdMiGerd Season 8 was going to be the final season.
Man, I still remember watching the first season of Venture Bros when it was first airing. I remember thinking it was/would be a special show, even back then when it was starting out. I've actually not seen the latest season (I was waiting to marathon the whole thing again in one go), but hearing about it getting cancelled was like a gut punch. Inevitable, and a miracle it was allowed to last this long, but a gut punch.
Starting it for the first time and the first season was a big holy fuck. How is it this great
I knew it. The minute "masculinity" was mentioned we get an elbow flex(?) shot. Please let this become a running gag.
As someone who grew up in post-USSR territory it's absolutely fascinating to see how complex the worldview we all called "Western" truly is. And how it's both truly, categorically different and frighteningly similar to ours.
I'd be interested to hear more about the difference, I've also seen how different and yet strikingly similar certain cultural touchstones are
Yeah, the USSR fell and took it on the chin, but the USA is more like this slow slow descent from grace into a garbage pile.
Gin is a horrible father. He didn't leave to go be a Hunter, he left because he didn't want to stay. His aura power fits him perfectly because he can do anything that he understands, but he calls nothing his own. Gon and his mother are barely concepts to Gin.
I haven't read the manga. What does he use the power to do?
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d he can literally copy any power he has seen or heard of that he can figure out how it works.
@@codysurfer8232 Who or what in the story did he use it on though for us to find that out?
I'm not entirely sure where you got this from, though I'm potentially entirely in the wrong here. I was under the impression that his ability to copy wasn't a nen ability, but just him able to mimic by... mimicking. I don't know that he's ever said anything about being able to copy "any power" that he figures out. at the very least, I don't recall him saying anything like that in early dark continent chapters.
(also, nitpick: it's "Ging")
@@Cubsbane Gin and Paris-tonic
I remember I would catch Venture Bros every so often when I was watching my Fullmetal Alchemist and Inuyasha. I was always "huh this is weird? I vaguely remember Johnny Quest, is this the same show?" Years later I had something of an Adult Swim awakening where I actually watched a full episode of Venture Bros and was cracking up laughing. I can't remember if it was the court episode or the pilot episode with the "OOOOO" gun but either way I was hooked. I had to watch every episode and got crazy invested in all of the characters storylines (I adore Henchman 21's arc and Dr. Mrs. Girlfriend's rise to being one of the leaders of the Guild of Calamitous Intent) and bought all of the seasons available on DVD.
As an aside, the cancellation of the Venture Bros brings up another issue.
I _watched_ the Venture Bros back in the day. I think I watched the first 4 seasons? I loved the show. But I went on to do other things, some not even related to consuming media -- gasp.
But there's a sort of feeling of "what have I done" hearing that the show was cancelled, because of the underlying understanding that for a show to keep existing, it must be watched by as many people as possible so that advertisers can reach as many people as possible and pay the network/platform to then trickle-down some scraps of payment to the show.
And so, there's pressure on us to consume ALL the media content we, in theory like. Even if you're not in the mood to watch it now -- this hour, this day, maybe not even this year. Because if you don't, it'll go away and you won't be able to come around to it later to enjoy it. That's pretty messed up.
How often have you said or heard someone say "I _need to_ watch that." Not because they actually want to, but because of the subconscious understanding that we must consume content if we want that content to be there when we actually _do_ want to watch it.
On the flip side of that... why do we care so much? What I saw of Venture Bros was great, but if it just vanished completely, so what? It's just a story, and humans have the ability to make up new stories ALL THE TIME. Heck, if you embrace the "nothing new under the sun" idea, then probably someone will make up a story that just so happens to be exactly Venture Bros, right? Close enough, anyway. So why do we allow ourselves to be driven to devoting our time to consuming media even when we don't really want to? Certainly there are social pressures.
By saying that I have enjoyed VB, I can become part of an in-group of people who also enjoyed the show. Now, I may have to prove my right to membership of that in-group by using references, reciting quotes, etc. But... why should I be so concerned about being ostracized from that group if I can't validate my membership and I get kicked out (I am terrible at recalling quotes). Is my identity and access to social groups really that contingent on this stuff?
I don't really have any answers here... just having another "damn, capitalism has made our society f-ed up" moment. As one does.
One other aside: I do suppose that if we value 'lessons' found within the text of Venture Bros, then the concept of losing the show, or at least having its continuation ceased, feels like losing access to knowledge. I don't think this is ultimately true (the creators are still around, and the underlying lessons exist in all sorts of other works), but it does feel that way. Even if it was just a cartoon.
I regularly find myself reminding people that I think I would enjoy a piece of media they're pushing me to watch, but do not have the time to consume all media that I love, let alone like. Definitely a palpable pressure to watch things.
Very well put, Sir
"Holy shit is it hard to get people to read original content" - (weeps softly in writer)
I'm so glad someone else found Venture Bros at a way too young age and didn't understand a lot of it, then came back as an adult to fully appreciate it.
Watched the show as an adult from its premiere. No one has ever done a better job of pulling my thoughts about the show over the last 20 years and putting them in one place. One of the best and most relevant animated series of all time and perhaps the most accurate breakdown of it that I’ve ever seen. Well done my friend! 🤓👌 And it’s not gone forever, too many fans and new fans everyday. It will return in some form or fashion again.
It's a comfort knowing that I wasn't the only one who thought Harley Quinn had Venture Bros vibes
Same here, and I'm mad at the world for not telling me about it sooner.
TV tropes literally described it as venture bros combined with the DC universe
@@yousefhussain2629 In my defense, I haven't been on TV Tropes for years. Quit it cold turkey after too many days lost to a hundred open tabs.
I watched Harley Quinn with my buddy and I kept saying, "This show is straight up Venture Brothers." I love HQ and VB so it wasn't a bad thing but the villains and heroes having factions and the violent humor and boisterous personalities are so VB.
I started watching Venture Bros sometime just before season 2 came out (when I graduated from college, so I feel old today) and its very weird watching a show that matures with you over that many years. Everytime there was a new season (after my shock it hadn't been canceled) or a new special a year before a new season (the teasing) I'd prepare myself for the show not being what it was or really being too much of what it was, stagnating in the past but that didn't happen.
arg, how ordinary would Venture Bros have been if it had centered on Brock. I will never understand the fans who couldn't get past early interviews where Public & Doc talked about the show being about failure and couldn't understand the idea that at and some point it might be how you keep living after a failure.
You don't have to feel old - I was 30 when the first season debuted!
This show was a rarity in that (IMO) it just got better with each successive season. Even with the lengthy breaks between releases, I never lost hope that the next season was just around the corner. Even though I time-shift EVERYTHING that I watch, I ALWAYS watched Venture Bros in real time - that's how much I loved (and still love) this show.
As Jack said here, what began as a Johnny Quest parody developed into SOOOOO much more than that. For my money, this was one of the most smartly-written shows on TV. True character development seems so rare, and Venture Bros had it in spades. The news of the cancellation cut me deeply.
Just one more season lord, just to wrap everything up, that’s all I want...
For real monarch and rustys story still didn’t come to light
I know I’m a year late, and I don’t know if you’ve heard but they’re doing a movie which is meant to rap everything up
@@Zero-mn8bt :D
22:36 YT doesn't reward original content. It rewards "commentary" and grey-area reposting of old copyrighted content encoded from VHS.
I can’t really tell who you are referencing with this?
@@Slop_Dogg I think they mean that people post live reaction videos of shows which are watched by people who want to see a show without paying for it (I did that with Rick and Morty when I didn't have Netflix). Maybe it's also a reference to comment/parody videos of popular franchises which can get you a decent amount of clicks.
ah man i didn't know dark crystal got cancelled til you showed it on screen and now I'm PISSED
Tell me about it. I found out like a week ago and I'm still mad. I really loved the worldbuilding and it's wonderful story. And it told it's worldbuilding lore naturally and with subtext and stuff. Like the furnace of swords was awesome and the caves backstory and so many other things.
when are you gonna make the obligatory Hunter x Hunter analysis video?
My soul would literally transcend my body
I've always been somewhat intrigued by the youtube username "Hunter x Hunter dickriding association" (or possibly "dickrider") and you seem like a person who could explain at least part of that username to me. Would you be so kind to do so?
@@camelopardalis84 A LOT of people think Hunter x Hunter is the absolute best show ever and will constantly praise the show, with some people even exaggerating said praise. This is known as "Dick Riding". As so many people do this it's a bit of a meme that there's an entire association made solely to praise this one show.
@@ashikjaman1940 This sounds very weird and technically unbelievable but I believe you. Thank you for explaining!
If he does I NEED him to include the Ging was mpreg theory.
The theory was made based on the island card game arc with the card allowing for someone regardless of gender to carry a baby, with the central theory being "Ging made the game, Ging tested all the cards, Ging tested the rock baby card, Ging had Gon".
I personally am obsessed with the theory and take it as canon not because I think Ging is cis, but actually think his story makes so much more sense if he's trans.
The desperate chasing of his own father? The 'I don't care' attitude he takes to raising his son when he had to raise himself to be a man? The shitty patchy beard?
Ging is trans and you cannot and will not change my mind.
I wonder if this market-driven nostalgic reproduction of past popular culture, and the ultimate cancelation of The Venture Bros. as a consequence of the shows self-actualization, might also have some relation to the the tendency of long-running stories/series/franchises to get stuck in a status quo or, in more severe cases, to refuse to move the timeline forward and instead create prequels and midquels and fill in gaps in the existing timeline.
Just finished the show and that what I love about every season has its own taste specialty season 4-7, them moving to new york brought so much creative stuff to the show, specialty because one of the writers is the biggest marvel nerd.
There so many franchises in media where everything just goes back to the status quo either by reboot or in the actual series, example transformer always has to have Optimus, pokemon always going back to gen 1 stuff, tmnt always the same dynamic or get canceled. Even Rick & Morty, toy with their audience about moving things forward but Venture Bros felt more like, an anime or manga where there always twisted and turns with most of the time them never going back like when was the last time, an episode been about a actual adventure lol.
The main problem with Venture Bros it started in the wrong decade, if this show was around in 2012, this would have had so much hype on social media but at the same time problem wouldn't have the same creative control, so sadly the show is pretty niche, I mean I didn't even start watching the show till I found out it was canceled. But there still hope, Hbo Max Chief did say plans are in the work.
@@jiabryant533 I think you may have misunderstood. I was proposing that perhaps The Venture Bros. was canceled because it didn't ultimately get stuck in a status quo. Or rather, that the reason other franchises get stuck in a status quo is that the only way they can survive as long-runners is to conform to the market-driven nostalgic reproduction of past popular culture by reproducing their own past.
How do people *not* realize it's a critique on hyper masculinity? Are they watching the same show?
The same way people think Call of Duty is an apolitical series.
@@the_exegete Nothing baffles me more than people who say "Games shouldn't be political" while simultaneously jacking off Metal Gear Solid
@@ashikjaman1940 I can do you one even better than that. A lot of Fallout fans say that Fallout isn't a critique of capitalism at it's core. Yet it's plainly obvious that capitalism not only caused the great war, but is responsible for many of the ills of the wasteland. It's why Obsidian went banged people over the head with it, with the hamfistedness of the same critique in The Outer Worlds. Then again Fallout fans who think that there is no critique of capitalism in Fallout, also think Caesar's Legion running the wasteland is a good idea.
Ashik Jaman or, better yet, MG Rising. Everyone loves that game, and everyone bitches about political games.
@Piss Harrison That's kind of a yikes take there dude I don't inherently disagree with it. From performative ally ship/ wokness and the dirtbag left is a thing but your argument makes it sound like discussing these topics at all is "political posturing"
Like that moron that said the Outer World's commentary is too on the nose and unsubtle to have any weight. Like dude do you see the world we live in today? The commentary still has bite you've just be come numb and complaisant to it. Sorry got of topic there but you see my point yes?
I love that procrastinating for 12 years is actually the optimal way to follow the show
hold up, they cancelled Dark Crystall D: what a terrible way to find out :'(
This video is low-key extremely profound and a prime example of our culture’s newest primary-mode of information sharing and self-expression we call the
Video Essay.
I always get excited when a content creator I follow brings up Moral Orel, which is sort of giving me whiplash now from also being excited about you talking about Venture Bros XD
@Sardonicus Dude Moral Orel was the best. Still one of my fave shows I've watched it multiple times. Really made me appreciate stop motion animation.
i'm starving for one of these video essayists to go all in on moral orel, cause it's the kinda show that's too uncomfortable to talk about with other people :')
It's official, I'm watching this show even with the spoilers
It’s one of the most impressive Adult Swim shows they’ve ever had.
Honestly, it's worth it. The levels of world building and character growth, both primary and secondary characters, is phenomenal. I will admit, season 1 is kinda rough, but it only gets better as it goes.
Awesome! I hope you enjoy it!
Brock will always be one of the best cartoon characters
Honestly he really didn't spoil much.
"It was immediately cancelled after I finished."
Exactly what happened to me with The Dark Crystal
Ant network would be smart to snatch up one last season.
If I'm being perfectly honest, I have absolutely no idea how this show possibly managed to make money on the schedule it had and with the quality of animation on display (after season 1). I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lazzo took a huge hit on the show just because it was a personal fav and when the new guy walked in he just immediately balked at the cost. We're lucky we got 7 seasons. I hope the movie is good.
Same with the adult swim binging as a kid, but I used to just wake up early in the morning to watch it when my parents weren’t around to see.
I feel like the best way to describe Venture Bros is that there are multiple characters who start as one note references (to name a few Action Man,Johnny, captain sunshine) who then get developed to become far more interesting then what they originally referenced.
It was my favorite show of all time, I cried when I heard the news, and it felt like no one else cared that it got cancelled. Thank you so much for this video dude
as someone who only woke up their latent writer/creator after like a decade starting two years ago, who knows what an uphill battle there is ahead of them to realize their dream, two things: 1) DO IT DO TF OUT OF IT DO IT *SO HARD* AND DON'T STOP DOING IT STOP EVERYTHING ELSE FIRST and 2) i don't even have a pilot/storyboard/a goddamn intro pamphlet just to get show something to people i want to know i started up again, literally nothing presentable and oragnized as even a single episode of intro material, only scattered art and 500+pages of under-wraps screenplay/narrative no one can really look at cold. so you're already ahead of me who's 10y older and has a couple years of work behind me. you have a huge platform here, i pissed mine away when i left devart; and you have a tight and convincing mission with your story other than "heroes dealing with neoliberal imperialism and also people say fuck."
do it and remember this, the whole time.
EDIT: vefore i look like THE RUDEST asshole, VB was one of my biggest influences in how it came out of nowhere to capture the tone i felt the world wanted for. seeing you of all people put out such a great essay on the show's themes and legacy (wamp wamp) made my month. thank you for this! now go do your fkin thing!!
Thank you for mentioning Harley Quinn! The shows feel so similar. They both manage to be self aware without it getting old. I'm bottling up all my Venture Bros sadness and getting excited for Harley Quinn season 3
Its good? I thought it looked terrible so was wary to watch it!
“Capitalism breeds innovation”
Capitalism: 22:50
Yeah. Capitalism breeds innovation, by taking it out to the back alley and beating it to death, then robbing it.
@@natsume-hime2473 A company is like an enormous clock
Market socialism is the way to go.
It breeds innovation until it becomes unprofitable. Ya gotta take the good with the bad
Came here right after finishing the movie. I'm so depressed now that it's over.
It's like watching a lifelong friend speak their last words before dying in front of you.
Sat in silence after the aftercredits scene when the realization that it's over hit me like a truck.
Okay, you've interested me in the venture bros when very little could do that before, thank you
If this is the end, this video was pretty good closure. VB shaped my humor and taught me humor doesn't have to be dumb to be crude.
you showing it in this video caused me to look up the Homestar Runner Robot Chicken sketch and because of that I'm sueing you for damages.
I have to thank you Jack, ever since you made this video I really wanted to check out the show. I recently got HBO max and got a chance to watch and I've been obsessively watching it for the last month. I just finished the final episode a moment ago and I'm filled with sadness but also gratitude that you brought this show into my life. Thank you.
Holy shit someone else remembers Xavier Renegade Angel
XRA has been getting some recognition lately, it was just way ahead of its time
If we talk about venture bros enough maybe it'll come back, i'm holding out hope here ;-;
I really want it to, even if it's for just one final season to wrap everything up.
Give it a decade or two, it might get the Samurai Jack treatment
Had a good friend already recommend this, but totally forgot about it due to 2020 chaos, and now I am ready for it. Thanks Jack!
There needs to be more Mission Hill talk.
Agreed. I loved that show so much.
@@craftermane3296 No one talks about it or remembers it.
The creator in June alleges that a spin-off about Wally and Gus is planned but until I see an episode it's not real to me cause I refuse to get my hopes up in freaking 2020....again.
Venture Bros. has always been in my life (born about a week after the second episode) and It's sad to see it come to an end, especially as someone who feels like they didn't give it enough attention (only watched like 3 seasons to its completion, watching the latest season as it was coming out with my dad). I hope that my existence can continue to live on without it.
I don't agree that the shows from the 60s-70s "made" young boys into the types of men they became. I don't agree that they took archetypes from those shows and it influenced them enough to change. I think those shows were just an encapsulation of where the whole society was at. They would be the same people anyways because that's how men were in that time.
as far as sci fi shows on adult swim are concerned, The Venture Bros. completely blows Rick & Morty out of the water imo. The writing never fell flat, the jokes always land and its just way more enjoyable over all
Thank you. This felt like a good way to say farewell to an old friend.
The Venture Bros is more sincere than Rick & Morty.
20:04 Said like somebody who conflates all groups on the right into one.
Venture Bros. and Hunter x Hunter are two of my favorite shows, and I really hope that doesn't reflect on the awkward relationship I have with my own father.
Great video, Jack!
at 16:48 thats my cowboys and indians playset toy review! ............seems you forgot to link me or give me credit bro!~ I mean im honored you used my stuff, and by chance Im here watching your video. But it would have been good for you to ask! :S
On 2004 you were 10years old?!
So your one year older than me 😱
Cool
Same 🙌
Idk how to feel about the fact that he's younger than me
Like what am I doing with my life
@AgentPedestrian
I graduated hs in 2003 so...
I'm going to be nostalgic for this nostalgic age one day.
Anyone: *mentions the greatest anime of all time HunterxHunter*
Me: *rises from my chair and floats* THE CALL *begins to glow*
Hunterxhunter sucks.
@@KhayJayArt How much of it did you read/watch?
Might want to go get that checked, mate.
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Not jack putting a screenshot of my video in his intro :o Great job as always!
and linking it! You're the actual best.
When you've been a fan of the Venture Bros for 17 years, deeply invested for over a decade, cancellation doesn't seem that scary. I've assumed it was cancelled several times without official announcement and it always came back. As long as Time Warner doesn't cuck us it could wind up on HBO Max which would arguably be an even better place for it.
I started rewatching the show after it got cancelled, and Brock as a blood psycopath was the most surprisinging part of Season 1. I'm used to him being one of the more emotionally intelligent main cast members, forgot that he needed development to get to that point.
Can't wait to watch a video essay for a show i haven't watched and will never watch.
Unironically
Watchhhhhhh itttt it's so worth it
it’s really sad people don’t watch this show.
@IntrepidFinch You seem fun.
@IntrepidFinch XD REDDIT CRINGE BRO!!! XD
If you're still looking for artists, I'd like to add myself to the pool!
🙂 www.vulture.com/2021/05/venture-bros-aqua-teen-hunger-force-movies.html
R.I.P. The long hiatuses weren't a problem--only for Venture Bros, a really, really genuine show.
I always feel like there is a missing, final arc of conclusion in the end of your videos.
watching this after finally binging all of the episodes in preparation to see the movie
How crappy of Adult Swim to just dump one of thier long time major IP's ..... it's a bad look, and not a very forward thinking way to run a business.
orange it’s actually pretty apparent the cancellation orders came from higher up than anyone at adult swim.
Well look on the bright side....now there's a new slot for more Teen Titans Go! in the schedule.
thanks for doing this video, you really did the show justice! and for anyone reading this: WATCH THE DAMN SHOW. you will absolutely enjoy it
This is going to be sad I don't want to be sad yet I'm going to take a nap and come back to be sad
8:50 please don't stop making this a recurring joke. I can't get enough of it
Not a lot of libertarians (or even Libertarians, as in members of the official political party) like the cops. We view them as state sponsored mafia enforcers tasked with enforcing the laws we see as unjust infringements.
OSI is clearly a CIA parody, not secret service
Hearing him say that the OSI was a parody of the secret service makes me wonder how many people in the world confuse it with the CIA
the predecessor to the CIA was named OSS (Office for Strategic Services)
Honestly though, this show is gonna be back one way or another.
I hope so.
The Venture Bros is unbelievably good. I watched the entire series that had released up to that point several years ago while on a road trip and it just blows my mind how good it is.
All I know about Venture Bros is that Foetus did the soundtrack and therefore I need to watch it at some point
Please tell me there are other Foetus fans in this comment section
still saving up for the soundtrack album. Its an essential feature of the series.
I was there at the beginning. I remember being in high school and seeing the pilot episode (The Terrible Secret of Turtle Bay) when it aired in 2003. Then a year went by and we got the first season and I was hooked. It’s the only show that ever held my attention for 7 seasons. So gutted to hear it won’t get a chance to finish. It was fun while it lasted. So long and GO TEAM VENTURE! ✌🏻
I can’t watch this video yet. The sting of the cancellation still hurts too bad.
This is a well done and thoughtful video, made in tribute to a well done and thoughtful show. I hope that both your channel and this show can find support to continue making content. Thank you
Can a canceled show get graphic novels?
I genuinely want to know because I’m not letting this show series die
WE'RE BACK BABY
The Venture Bros is about failure, which is what makes it so great.
I for one have always and will always appreciate original content. This is your third video I've watched, and its official. Subbed.
this got upload right after I finished watching "escape to the house of mummies part II"
That one night as a kid where you stay up a little later than usual watching Cartoon Network, and you make a life changing discovery
Great video! I really liked your in depth analysis of this beloved show! I think it speaks to why I love this show so much. It’s very unique and sophisticated for an animated show. Years go by and I still get excited when a new season comes out.
There are a few things that make this show truly unique. One, if I’m not mistaken, it’s one of the only animated shows drawn by hand and not backed by a big production company, which explains long gaps in between seasons. But it makes me appreciate it that much more. When watching the show, you can tell there was a lot of love put into it. Second, unlike many other animations, the Venture Bros has a story and depth as opposed to single independent episodes.
It’s not only one of my favorite shows but it’s a show I can rewatch over and over again and always find something new. It’s a pure joy to watch! I never get tired of it. It’s a world you wish you could live in with all its chaos and madness. It has a timeless charm I think. I really hope the creators make season 8 happen. I know it’s not a mainstream show, but it would be such a shame if the show was indefinitely cancelled without any sort of resolution.
Anyways, great job! I hope this video makes a difference. Go Team Venture!✌🏼