Veda Pramana of Shree Madhwacharya's Tatvavada.mp4 (video mp4 Object)
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- Dr. Purna Prasad presents an introduction to the science behind the philosophy of the great thirteenth century philosopher Shree Madhwacharya.
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Shripad Madhvacharya was great Vedic Scholar,great devotee of God, great Thinker, great philosopher, great theologian, great poet, great commentator of Vedic scriptures, great writer etc. All glories to Shripad Madhvacharya.
One of the best academic lectures I have heard on madhwa shastra. Hope to see more like this in the future.
Awesome explanation doctor. The childlike enthusiasm you showed while explaining Acharyaru's tattvavada was just superb. Salutation to you and your Guru, Bananje acharya. Please continue to post more videos on tattvavada. Thanks
This has been one of the most interesting discourses on Tatva vaada I have come across. I specially like the way you explained dependent and independent realities with the example of Car and the fuel. Also I had never understood the concept of 'Anumaana' until now, but you NAILED it in my mind. Thank you.
PranaamagaLu,
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Madhwacharya, awesome awesome awesome movie, awesome awesome awesome Poorna Prasad💖💖
Sarvam Shree Krishnaarpanamasthu
Really very proud of you. warm regards, Ananth
Pranam. My sincere gratitude for enlightening us with Madhwa philosophy where a layman can understand some of the concepts
I recently read Mahdarshan by Devudu Narasimha Sastry where some of the things were not clear, now I feel I have understood things better. Latha chandramati
Nice, thanks. Madhvacharya is amazing and great
These words are an ocean of bliss.
A simple and an excellent presentation
Dhanyosmi Srinath
A very good presentation, and scholarly narration.
Madhvacharya is amazing and great teacher and scholar
He is expert of all who proved and showed best way of life and god
🙏🏼 Om Namo Narayanaya ❤
@@soumyabratasahoo3649 ōm ōm namō nārāyañāya ōm.. ❤ 👍
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Monopoly occurs when there are two competing entities and the powerful one controls the other. Jiva is always a part of paramathma. Paramatma is the all encompassing energy and jiva is a small part of it.
Dear Purna Prasad,
Loved your insights on Madhwa Shastra. Quick Question - Why do you say Monopoly occurs only when there are competing entities? Can't Monopolies exist because there are no other entities?
great sir. really well explained.
Ur explaination on swatantra satya and aswatantra sayta is great.
Glad to be of service.
Dhanyosmi
Sir my humble request
please explain the meaning of prayer which you said in the beginning
Excellent!!!
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god bless you
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great !
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Dhanyosmi Suresh
Super...
Nimali eruuva vayudevra padake namaskar
Hello Sir , any explanation for my below question . Please reply .
Sir, could you please share the complete lyrics of the shloka that you recited in the beginning. I always hear it from Shri Bannanje Govindacharya. Want to learn it..
Veda is the only eternal without changing, purest and unwritten which is presented by god (Vishnu). It is sacred and validated knowledge seed according to which cosmos is formed. Madhvacharya is amazing Vedic saint who showed best way of life and perfect path to god according to nature of life.
What is your thought on Advaita Vedanta's claim about Atman as the only reality.
@@aanakrukavi atman cannot be only reality and world cannot be mithya. That is a misinterpretation, because we see realities, different personality etc and whole cosmos is dependent on brahman (narayana) as per BG also. That brahman is termed as God in different language in different cultures of world in their way.
As karma is true, space where karma is done must also be true.
When one get education and knowledge, he or she will become more aware and bliss but not feel world as illusion. Knowing brahma gyana makes one more devoted towards God but not feel world as delsuion.
Veda clearly tells how cosmos was created but not cosmos as illusion.
@@sreeshakv5405 world is not Maya. Only Conciousness is real because waking, dream and deep sleep occurs within Ataman. Time, space all are inside Conciousness/Atman. If Narayana is true what are the characteristics of that Narayana. If you give any qualities of Narayana then Narayana is not other thing. Eg God is there where there is good but God is omnipresent. This statement is logically incorrect.
@@aanakrukavi awake, dream and sleep are states of mind which has process, you may check with psychology and manduka upnishad. If there is any process, it must be real and it is.
Atman and God (brahman) are different. Atman have attributes of sathva, rahas and tamas but God (narayana who is parabrahman) is beyond it but still have divya (gyanandanda) attributes. God is both nirguna and saguna, both anu and bruhad (VS of mahabharat), sakara and nieakara.
God is omnipresent is true, he is present in both good and bad. He allow both of them according to our karma. God doesn't experience bad or sorrow but we do due to our action. BG tells how to come out of it to bliss.
God is perfect and complete without defects but not souls.
Dhanyosmi Deepak
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Visishtadvaita is a replica of Adi shankara's Advaita . Madhawa Siddhanta is the ultimate .
Sir plz update bhanjee govidhacharya visions plz
Do you address bannanje by name in front of him or add Acharya to the name?
What is the reason of addressing shrimadacharya by ekavachana?
super sir🙏🙏🙏🙏
Sir u r brilliant .
Shree Krishnaarpanamasthu
Sir, Were you the one who played Madhwa Acharya's role in Mr. GV Iyer's Kannada movie on the ascetic? Thanks.
Yes it was me.
Regards
Purna
🙏🙏. Sir I really want to know the meaning of shlokas that Dr Bannanje Govindacharyaru used to recite every time before starting his Pravachana.. Starting from “Jayati parashara sunuhu.... , Bhujaga bhogabha mudyamya hrudyam.... , Bhavada voshnena tatapya manaanna...”. I recite the shlokas and I really like it... wanted to know the meaning....
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The confusion of the mind is resolved by the intellect of the brain. The intellect gained by experiential evidence helps analyze the object and arrive at the correct solution. The thinking brain questions, Is the rope moving? Does it have a hood? Can I find a light source to aid my analysis?
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Kind of interesting, I was wondering if what ever u said in the independence part is rt? since the context here is regarding the independence of self, the aatman. dont you think that if the aatman is interdependent on the paramatman and if it is not free to exercise its power, isn't that some kind of monopoly which the paramatman has, which is against the vedas which proclaim him as nonprejudice , also the vedas say things related to aatman as "tatvamasi" and "aham brahmasi". what do u say ?
What is pramana that experience is reality? Or is it taken as self evident?
Are you actor who acted as madhwacharya in movie??
yes only one movie, only because Asked by his / our guru shri Bannanje govindacharya
Lord vishnu is supreme Developer of cosmos n lives. He is ultimate data scientist and CEO.
Very nice video sir.I am myself very much a devotee of Shri Bananje Govindacharya's pravachanas.Is there any way to get in touch with him Sir?I do realise that he is a very busy person but even if you do know any other students of his in Bangalore I would like to meet them.Afterall the quest for the truth is an eternal one :)
WoW
Also is reality same as truth?
Great effort, sir! Heartening to see that you have gained such elevated level of knowledge from the great Bannanje avaru.
With unalloyed intent to gain knowledge, there's one thing I would like to differ with you on - at 30:38 in the video, you mention Shrimadacharya says that the "Supreme Person IS the Universe". However, my atom-sized store of knowledge of Madhwa philosophy says that this is not the case. Shri Hari "manifests" as prakriti/ jada/ Universe but is not Himself the prakriti.
Indeed, every particle of matter, every bit of consciousness and every bit of everything there is in Creation and beyond, is His manifestation, however, from our own Madhwa philosophy, we know that there is a difference between jada and the Supreme Being, as encapsulated in the Pancha Bheda. In fact, even jeeva and jada are distinct, so there's no question of jada being the same as the Supreme Being.
Again, I question with an intent to clarify this doubt I have and not with any malific intent - anumaana, as Shrimadacharyaru would like to put it!
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best,
Shyamu
You are right. Brahman is not universe and no Shastra says it so. Nyaya Sudha clearly explains this. Brahman is different from Prakriti.
Thanks for uploading this video , really great explanation on Madhwa philosophy. But one thing when we had such a great hindu treasures and workship god , why did muslims and british invade us and we could not do any thing
Bhimrao S
We were and are weak physically and mentally. Physically because there is nothing that unites India. We have no common language or a communication medium. We use a foreign language called English to communicate. From the mental point of view, we happily forgot our ancient wisdom generated from Veda's and Upanishad's.
The British and Muslims saw a weak India with great knowledge and material treasures and helped themselves.
Purna Prasad Thanks for explanation . But still have some basic doubts . 01 There were many Santas , sadhus , pathi-vratha were in Sri Krishnadevaraya court yard . Daily poojas were performed with highest bakthi . Apart from this the entire empire was destroyed . What God was doing , many peoples were killed , harmed , stripped , looted etc
02 How can we help poor with these philosophical thinking . When i compare with European and western we are really still in developing stage with many chronic problems . Then why should we concentrate on such philosophical thinking rather working strongly towards progress of country so that all peoples are rich at least basic requirements are fulfilled and happy
@@bhimraos2864 good points. What God was doing? the answer is god doesn't do anything he simply motivates people as per their kharma. Being in India doesn't automatically mean you should be protected by God. He doesn't do any bias. Satvic souls might be born in foreign country already. When you are commenting this message you may be Indian. In your next life if you are born as foreigner you might reply to your own comment in a different way (hypothetically).
God has given us intelligence and power to protect ourselves we should not sit behind closed doors praying god. We should fight keeping God in mind (this is the essence of Mahabharata). Krishna made Arjuna to fight bad evils. Indians dont learn lesson, many people fall In blind belief that God will help and they close eyes in this blind belief. This is dangerous to the country.
Philosophy is not understood properly by rich people so forget about poor. Rich have always and continue to exploit poor. This is unfortunate.
Philosophy can never be fully understood by reading books it is only through experience and God realization. So rich/poor/caste/gender doest matter.
hello sir , I have some questions please can you answer that.
It would be my pleasure, please e mail me your questions.
Regards
Purna
Can you give me your email sir.
Sir who is narada maharshi? He is vishnu ?
Haribol! All glories unto you, All glories to Sripad Madhvacharya, All glories to Guru and Gauranga. Hare Krishna
Without deeper knowledge one should not ..................
Asdhadfa,
Madhwa Philosophy is based on experiential evidence. Evidential experience is a completely different concept. It begs the question of what evidence and how was it obtained? The a-priori knowledge of a snake or a rope is essential to distinguish the presented visual from the mistaken one. Once the intellect answers the ambiguity of the mind, truth ensues.
Paramatma is the source for the Jiva's. Monopoly exists if there is competition. Paramatma has no competition. He is the only creator. Everything else is the created. If one claims himself or herself or itself as Brahma, then one should be self dependent, self sustainable, and self evolving. Everything in this universe needs an external stimuli or the absence of an external stimuli to exist in some shape or form. God has no shape, no form, all shapes and all forms. God exists in the quanta and the mega. Everything owes its existence to the supreme energy.
Why you are not explaining Madhwacharya's tatvavada in Kannada like Bannanje Govindachrayaru ? I think our philosophy is good to explain in Indigenous languages rather than European language.
Gururaj Kudur Jayaprakash why should it be in Kannada? was His Holiness a kannadi ga?
Well, I am not so sure how dream is real if none of our senses are active during sleep (which means none of pramana exist as per one of the slides). One can argue that we see dream in our mind's eye, but that is a very weak argument. Actually real/unreal is very ambiguous criteria for philosophical analysis. There is a lot of overlap between them. I find using permanent/transient as criteria is much better.
@@rajeshvittal ,not because SRI MADACHARYA is a kanbadiga,but since in Karnataka only HIS philosophy is neglected ,criticised,twisted ,insulted ,,,it is necessary first the philosophy should be understood in Homeland & then conquer elsewhere that is the concept .....there are hell people of who are insulting SRI SRI MADHWACHARYA ,
Explaining of madhvacharya in English is necessary now, as it can go to far range. Thanks for scholars who did it in great kannada and other languages. Madhvacharya philosophy is purely great
34:12 - The answer to the question "Who am I?" is "I don't know". I am struggling to understand if Realism can not explain the answer to this question, whereas, Sankara's Advaita, especially, answered by Sri Ramana Maharishi. Please shed light on this question of "I". Thanks in anticipation.
At that point in the video, the speaker is talking about knowledge of I in the absolute sense, which only God has 'independently'. That is the key word. Every other being is getting this knowledge through Him and by His grace.
Currently we just have the knowledge of oneself as 'I', nothing more. But with our sadhana, we can reach a point where we can actually experience what the spirit 'I' is made of, which is actually same as oneself.
I don't have much knowledge on Sri Ramana Maharshi's explanation. So I cannot compare and contrast.
@@nguttam1982 Danyavadaha
I is different from what Advaitins think. They think I is same as Brahman so there is only one I. But Madhwacharya said I is identity of jiva it remains even in moksha. Even Brahman has I. The only difference is he is independent and infinitely powerful while jivas are not and are dependent on Supreme. I existed since beginning of time and will remain eternally and cannot be merged or destroyed. Visistadvaitins say I in jiva will be merged with I of Brahman in moksha. So as per them you lose identity in moksha and become Brahman. This is the essence.
Vedanta has both knowledge of adwaita and dwaita.. the question you asked is asked by dwaita siddantas in a different way: If jeeva is God only then who is suffering in naraka or in samsara due to the bad karmas? If we say God then it cannot be..God do not have e dukkha but jeeva has dukkha..and God is punishing himself in naraka is confusing isn't ?
....If we say that dukkha jeeva is undergoing is illusion there is still a question left...Even if the jeeva thinks that the pain is illusion and aatma is Amanda swarupa (which is agreed in dwaita also) the suffering jeeva undergoing is real...Because you feel that suffering and you cannot say that aatma is not suffering....So aatma is both different from God but qualitatively same
Are you the same PP who had enacted the role of Acharya Madhwa in that Movie?
prasanna kumar
Yes Prasanna.
Thank you sir, for this wonderful discourse. I have a question though on one of your examples (sorry if I come across nit-picking) :
People in Sweden ride motorcycle
Women in Sweden ride motorcycle
The only statement I can infer according to theory of predicate logic is this:
"Women are people."
How can it infer "All people are women"?
Excellent point. The intent was to show the limitations of logic in deciphering the truth or the ability of logic to cloud the truth. The statement 'people in Sweden ride motorcycles' includes the word all not some. I will intentionally add the word all going forward. Your take on that sentence proves the ambiguity logic creates.
Shri PP, thanks a lot for this video of excellent quality. Finally I could understand a little of what I have been trying to understand for quite some time through my unaided studies. My regards and felicitations for carrying forward the legacy of poojya shri Bannanje acharyaru, that too in a foreign language. I still cannot understand the statement "one single reality cannot exist in this universe" Isn't god the single reality and exist in this universe? A little more elucidation is required for this mandabudhi.
Single reality fails to clarify the existence of jeevatma and Paramatma. They are related but they are not the same. Both are real but are different. Jeevatma is the dependent reality and Paramatma is the independent reality.
Purna Prasad
achinthya bhedha abhedha thathva
what if the knower , knowable and known are same for ex: me knowing about myself. So I am knowledge. If I myself is knowlegde what else do i need to know in this universe ? isn't this interesting ?
Vedanta has both knowledge of adwaita and dwaita.. the question you asked is asked by dwaita siddantas in a different way: If jeeva is God only then who is suffering in naraka or in samsara due to the bad karmas? If we say God then it cannot be..God do not have e dukkha but jeeva has dukkha..and God is punishing himself in naraka is confusing isn't ?
....If we say that dukkha jeeva is undergoing is illusion there is still a question left...Even if the jeeva thinks that the pain is illusion and aatma is Amanda swarupa (which is agreed in dwaita also) the suffering jeeva undergoing is real...Because you feel that suffering and you cannot say that aatma is not suffering....So aatma is both different from God but qualitatively same
There are many class of experiences which we know are not real. Rainbow, mirage in desert, optical illusions, temporary emotions and so on. Mere experience is not equal to reality. In fact reality itself is very elusive to define. The definition of reality in this talk appears to be circular.
No need a guru to teach or explain that world is realistic, or satya. It sees by every one and all. I think u got it....
Kindly see the below lecture immediately after the current video :
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At the end of both lectures you will realise why Tattvavada is beyond the realm of weak minds ! It requires utmost skill !
Go thro' these web sites to gain aporoshka gnanam....
please read shloka properly 🙏🏽
it is not a matter where you live. what you work . main aim is to get libaration. चातुर्वर्ण्यं मया सृष्टं गुणकर्मविभागश: |
तस्य कर्तारमपि मां विद्ध्यकर्तारमव्ययम् || 13||
chātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛiṣhṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśhaḥ
tasya kartāram api māṁ viddhyakartāram avyayam
classification of varna is based on jiva swabhava if am right
If the whole madhwa philosophy is based on the evidentail experience, then assume that a person sees the snake for the first time and is been thought that is a rope, now when ever he sees snake he thinks it is rope. Even though the person has seen snales several times and had experience with the real snake, if he still goes by his evicential experience, he will always be wrong. I guess there is a role of buddhi and aatma in percieving and interpreting anything u see or hear. wat do u say?
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Veda is shruti...
Sir you really need to do a course in modern Physics in particular Quantum theory. if possible read Advaita philoosphy.
Please pronounce the shloka properly. It is painful to hear the wrong things.
Yes agreed.
Temporary truth is a meaningless concept. Truth means always true. Can 2+2 =4 true sometimes and not true some times? That is, can we say 2+2 is 4 sometimes and it can also be 5 sometimes. It all depends on experience....We cant. Its illogical.
Madhwa Phlosophy,I simply do not understand the head & tail of it///
Hunsur Venkatanarasiah
Send me your phone number through purnaprasad61@yahoo.com. I will call you and we will learn together.
Vedanta has both knowledge of adwaita and dwaita.. the question you asked is asked by dwaita siddantas in a different way: If jeeva is God only then who is suffering in naraka or in samsara due to the bad karmas? If we say God then it cannot be..God do not have e dukkha but jeeva has dukkha..and God is punishing himself in naraka is confusing isn't ?
....If we say that dukkha jeeva is undergoing is illusion there is still a question left...Even if the jeeva thinks that the pain is illusion and aatma is Amanda swarupa (which is agreed in dwaita also) the suffering jeeva undergoing is real...Because you feel that suffering and you cannot say that aatma is not suffering....So aatma is both different from God but qualitatively same
When you do not ........... why do you.........
Do not insult... bj....... by claiming him ur guru.
You have learnt and interpreted madhwa shastra well but without Gopichandana,Mudra and Angara Akshate dharane you will not get the complete fruit for your hardwork.
No.The Madhwacharya himself never wore Angara akshate. Wearing Angara akshate is only for decorative purposes which was used in yakshagana by Sri Narahari teertharu.
Observations and opinion
1) The speaker seems to be an NRI who tries to switch his english accent several times from Indian to fake Western and vice versa.
2) He speaks nothing about science in depth but just uses some text book terms like gravity, newton law etc and attempts to connect madhwa tatwa with some technical terms which a doctor or medical rep uses.
3) He just refers to the presentation every moment and elaborates the points vaguely. He seems to have no in depth knowledge of Madhwa Tathwa but has accumulated some scattered information from various discourses and tried to offer it to the NRI audience.
4) Examples quoted are simply spontaneous and mostly irrational but the flow or language has eclipsed the subject and make it look sensible. Eventually it was just a talk more on Medical Science and general stuff than exploring madhwa tathwa. Just seems to have by-hearted a couple of Sanskrit verses and quoted.
5) Unless a person is completely well versed in a subject it is not sensible to sit on a platform and give discourses.
Please refer to videos by Bannanje, Prabhanjanacharaya and our Madhwa Mutt pontiffs who are very specific, learned and can explore Madhwa shastra completely.
The subject in this video is incomplete, vague and simply a medical talk. Being an adrent follower or Madhwa Shastra, I feel this video is not connecting with the viewers.
Please appreciate the effort by an NRI - atleast he is still connected to our country and talking good things about our Guru.
why are you jealous and what his talk has to do anything with accent?
This happens when someone thinks he has better knowledge than others...such people instead of appreciating they will make it look like sub standard content...
This happens... happens with people who have developed false ego on the basis of their knowledge
This happens....
I agree to all opinions. Videos like this will give opportunities for non madwaites to criticize. In depth knowledgeable gurus like Dr Bannanje is only eligible to give perfect discourses.
However let's acknowledge the honest effort made by this gentleman which is not to gain any popularity like our evil politicians. Everyone is a learner and all have some defects but our intelligence should be to filter defects and grasp useful essence.
Vague criticism. Very very very clear . No contradictions and that is what matters.
It shows that u dont have such extended knowledge to understand shankaracharya philosophy (advaita)
Advaita visistaadvaita n dvaita are sailing in same boat if it sinks in river all reach paramathama
It is fake
Purana, Why don't you surrender your USA passport, citizenship and return to India, the birth place of Rama and Madhwacharya?
Sitting in USA to earn Millions of Dollars and giving sermons on Madhwa Parampare is very easy.
By hearting Sanskrit is easy too but living a true Madhwa life is not.
So with your half baked science and Madhwa philosophy knowledge, don't give fake American accent sermons in the USA.
In India, you speak normal Indian accent English but why in TH-cam do you want to put up a fake American accent?
Even if you live in the USA for 30 years, accent doesn't change but just to show off your NRI tag, you have struggled to adopt an American accent...
Come on man, represent India and be an Indian first