Now try to reduce hammerspring tension untill velocity drops, it will cock lighter and possibly give you even more shots. Thank you for your informative video's.
That gun is all that for the money. I’ve got a 22, and 25 I can’t say enough about this gun . And Rick I love your videos someone can learn all they need to know about whatever gun you demo. If anyone is on the fence about a low cost pcp this is the one to get you will no doubt be happy you did . Be safe my friend and keep them coming
My Avenger in 22cal had a problem with the scope rail, I don't know if it is just my airgun or if it's all of them, but I put a level on the rail, and the front section of the rail was not level with the rear section, so if I put my scope on the gun, it was not lined up with the barrel very good, I took of the front clam shells exposing the air tube, and I leveled the gun by putting my level on the side of the regulator housing where the air tubes and barrel are attached, with the gun level I checked the rails again and I found that the rear section of the rail was leaning one way and the front was leaning the opposite way, both were not level with the regulator, it seems like some people are having trouble zeroing their scopes or they have to use shims, I'm not advising anyone to do this, I'm just telling you what I did, I took of both the rear and front rail and used a file to take of material from the bottom of the rail on one side little by little and putting it back on the gun and checking if it was level, until it was level, my problem was solved, I hope this helps guys, have a good one.
I'm thinking the same thing, yeah this is a nice gun right now but how long is that Chinese gun going to last? and only a one year warranty. Umarex is supposed to be made in Germany and America. 3 yr warranty.
How does the durability of an entry level gun vs others which are more expensive compare? Do we know what alloys are used in one vs another? Have bushings and bearings been used on high wear areas in the more expensive products or do we know?
Thanks for this info Rick. I just got the Avenger Bullpup in .22 cal and this will give me a good place to start. I've got plenty of JSB 18.13 gr pellets so I should be able to come pretty close to duplicating your results. If I can, I'll be happy shooting those groups at 50 yards.
Hammer spring adjustment works in conjunction with regulator adjustment...no offense, but you could've gained velocity and accuracy for a 50-55 shot tune
I have a Diana Stormrider gen 1, installed a regulator set for 150 bar will send NSA .178 - 12.5 gr slugs @ 900 fps. Due to the regulator I fill the gun to 220 bar for 18 full power shots . I’m old and shaky but the rifle will consistently do a dime @ 60 yards, can’t see any further 🤷🏻♂️
I got a tuxing twin cylinder and two molecular sieve filters so I can fill my SCBA tanks in 40 minutes! Not only that but I fill them to 4,650. That gives me a thousand PSI under the burst disc limit but I know that tank will take way over 11,000 PSI so it's not going to do anything crazy now I can always fill my gun to Maximum. Of course I do this in my air conditioned house so when I go out here in Florida it's always over 80 degrees and the pressure will continue to rise :-)
I would like one in 25 cal. I have the origin in 22 thanks to you Rick and I love it to much but I need a compressor first b/c Travis said not to hand pump it can you tell me why? Thanks Rick for all the info.
I'm curious if tuned down to say, 860-880ish fps using hammer spring adjustment, could a person get another 2 mags or 70 total shots on the reg at that 2300 psi?
Once you have the regulator set, shouldn't you tune the hammer to the new regulator setting? From what I have heard, shouldn't you set the hammer so you get a few feet slower than the max velocity.. This would assure best efficiency and not waste any unnecessary air..
You can tweak forever chasing that extra shot or extra FPS. I’ve found that it’s more than close enough to just tune the REG, but for those that want to go the extra mile, sure. Go for it. Cheers AGW
@@AirGunWeb If you have too much hammer then not only are you wasting air (hammer bounce) but also allowing air from the main tube to influence the velocity, as the air will rush past the regulator before it has time to close, because the output valve is open for too long.. I think it would be better to not use all the air in the regulator, I think this would help with efficiency and also extreme spread and consistency.. I think I would start with a low hammer and bring it up until I reach max velocity and then back it of some.. If you are going to do some tuning then doing all of it makes more sense than just doing part of it, it doesn't take that much more time..
@@vansantsam - Richard.. in my work with the avenger.. I have not seen it make much of a difference. There are guns where it really matters. I have not found this to be one of them which is why I didn't spend any time on it other than to mention that you can adjust the hammer spring if you like. Of course, what "doesn't matter" to me may be all the world of difference to someone else. Cheers AGW
@@AirGunWeb No matter if a rifle is regulated or not or if it is an Avenger or Daystate or FX.. all are influenced by the hammer, this is so critical that many have easily adjustable hammers and some have anti-bounce features built in.. Proper hammer adjustment is more critical on a regulated rifle than a non-regulated one.. I would suggest to watch all of Robert Lanes videos on regulators and hammer adjustments.. You can do as you wish but if I go to the extent of adjusting a regulator then I will spend an extra few minutes to adjust the hammer to the proper setting to match the regulator, it only takes a few minutes.. You can decrease extreme spread on a regulated rifle with proper hammer adjustment, you can also eliminate (tune out) incline and decline in power from a regulator with proper hammer adjustment.. Steve, from AEAC did a video on exactly what I have mentioned.. (how to flatten extreme spread between shots and how to tune out a steady increase or decrease in FPS from your regulator.. Robert Lane also addresses these issues.. Adjusting the regulator is only half the job.. If you are going to this extent then finishing the job is part of the process.. Whenever you make a change with your regulator you also have to adjust the hammer, that is almost a cardinal rule.. To down play this important part leave me wondering..
@@vansantsam - you are missing the point. I don’t disagree with you that there are differences to be seen and advantages to be had. But, they are sometimes not significant enough to mess with (for most shooters). I represent “most shooters” where 95% of the way is close enough and the time and energy to get the last 5% simply isn’t worth “my” time. It may be worth your time and energy and that’s great! I did not find tinkering with the hammer spring, with the the reg at max usable pressure, worth any time on the avenger. Now, drop the reg way down, you would probably do well to back off the hammer spring a bit. That was not what this video was about. Cheers AGW
Thats a ridiculous statement...the Avenger is a very good entry level PCP but that's like saying I'm not going to buy a Dodge Hellcat again because my KIA Stinger is just as good on the race track
Ah man! I was really getting into this rifle in .25. The price is fantastic. All ready to go then started looking at compressors. Holy crap! I'm looking at $1k for turn key ready to go. Screw it, I'll stick to rimfires.
hand pumps are 150 or less, decent compressors can be had for sub-$600. "reviewers" tend to go with Gucci brands, because they're sponsored, that doesn't mean you have to. I have to laugh when people whine about hand pumping a small reservoir gun like the avenger, meanwhile I handpump my 62ci capacity monster to 4500psi lol
@@OscarzProductions All good, thanks for your input, that is pretty much exactly where I'm at, 1900-ish and 1.5 on the hammerspring. Still getting almost 900fps on a 14g pellet.
No reg creep on the gauntlet 2. First I've heard. My Gauntlet has the Ninja reg and it even creeps some. My .25 Avenger crept 100 to 150lbs for like a month. Not anymore. Steady as a rock.
Mines shoots just about any pellet good (most of them great), and it shoots All slugs terribly smh...check out the Crossman copper mags 14.4 at about 1500 PSI on the reg.
@@timmy4539 The .25 wood stock Avenger is my first PCP gun. Once I'm done with my air dryer filter system, my goal is 40 shots per fill as I have 5x 8 round magazines.
Now try to reduce hammerspring tension untill velocity drops, it will cock lighter and possibly give you even more shots. Thank you for your informative video's.
Hi Rick.. Thanks for the tuning vid. Did you make any hammerspring adjustments as well? (I only heard regulator adjustments)
That gun is all that for the money. I’ve got a 22, and 25 I can’t say enough about this gun . And Rick I love your videos someone can learn all they need to know about whatever gun you demo. If anyone is on the fence about a low cost pcp this is the one to get you will no doubt be happy you did . Be safe my friend and keep them coming
Yong Hang cpmpressor can fill probably 3 times as fast as that
Great tuning demo Rick. Thanks for posting.
Great marksmanship. Thank you for the video. Best to you et alia.
Excellent video brother. This is the type of information that I love.
Thank you.
God bless you. 🎯🎯🎯
Thank you for doing a review on a .22 instead of always doing 25 and 30
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My Avenger in 22cal had a problem with the scope rail, I don't know if it is just my airgun or if it's all of them, but I put a level on the rail, and the front section of the rail was not level with the rear section, so if I put my scope on the gun, it was not lined up with the barrel very good, I took of the front clam shells exposing the air tube, and I leveled the gun by putting my level on the side of the regulator housing where the air tubes and barrel are attached, with the gun level I checked the rails again and I found that the rear section of the rail was leaning one way and the front was leaning the opposite way, both were not level with the regulator, it seems like some people are having trouble zeroing their scopes or they have to use shims, I'm not advising anyone to do this, I'm just telling you what I did, I took of both the rear and front rail and used a file to take of material from the bottom of the rail on one side little by little and putting it back on the gun and checking if it was level, until it was level, my problem was solved, I hope this helps guys, have a good one.
The Nova Vista Liberty .22 is exactly the same or at the very least extremely close in accuracy values. Excellent value for dollar.
Every year your videos get better and better. Good job 👍
Thanks Rick, You didn't mention the hammer spring setting? where was it set, how did you determine where to adjust it?
Why didn't you mess with the hammer spring at all???
Hello! Do you think the Avenger is as good as Weihrauch's HW100? I'm hesitating between these two guns.
I am really considering this air rifle. Can’t decide between this or the umarex gauntlet 2 when back in stock.
I'm thinking the same thing, yeah this is a nice gun right now but how long is that Chinese gun going to last? and only a one year warranty. Umarex is supposed to be made in Germany and America. 3 yr warranty.
Excelente video, cuantas vuelta de resorte de martillo tiene esta configuracion?, gracias
How does the durability of an entry level gun vs others which are more expensive compare? Do we know what alloys are used in one vs another? Have bushings and bearings been used on high wear areas in the more expensive products or do we know?
I also would like to know. The price difference has to come from somewhere.
I bought a benjamin recharge compressor fill my fx marvick with a 580cc bottle on it in about 3 minutes, it can fill up to 4500lb.
What was your hammer spring tension set at from all the way in tasting out? Thanks appreciate the excellent review and tuning.
No hammer spring adjustments???
Thanks for this info Rick. I just got the Avenger Bullpup in .22 cal and this will give me a good place to start. I've got plenty of JSB 18.13 gr pellets so I should be able to come pretty close to duplicating your results. If I can, I'll be happy shooting those groups at 50 yards.
Is the 2200 setting with the factory hammer spring setting or did you adjust the hammer spring?
Nice video, the rifle looks very nice with wood stock much better , thanks for the review ,
Great Video. I was hoping you would address hammer spring adjust
That is a whole other video. But maybe I can get Airgun Angie to do it.
Cheers
AGW
@@AirGunWeb Thanks. Take care
Hammer spring adjustment works in conjunction with regulator adjustment...no offense, but you could've gained velocity and accuracy for a 50-55 shot tune
@@vetteconnoisseur9531 do a video and show us of what you're talking about.
I got barrel bands from Bonacci Goods to help stiffen up the barrel and I made the stock darker and finished it with truOil and wax.
did you sand the stock down first?
how did you strip the coating off the stock to stain it? edit: nevermind,you have a whole video series on it, subscribed.
Where can you buy that chronograph that talks to you?
Rick can we buy just the wood stock?
Did your Avenger have regulator creep?
Great video buddy. Avenge wood stock it's awesome pcp
Shouldn't you be tuning for accuracy not shot count ?
Great tunning Rick, please assist me in tunning for h&n slugs 23gr in 218 please
Nice rifle. Would like to see a .177 slug video soon for moderately prices rifles.. 😉
Same here. 👍
Jsb is coming out with the knockout 177 slugs. Check out the vid from the airgun expo where they demo them.
I have a Diana Stormrider gen 1, installed a regulator set for 150 bar will send NSA .178 - 12.5 gr slugs @ 900 fps. Due to the regulator I fill the gun to 220 bar for 18 full power shots . I’m old and shaky but the rifle will consistently do a dime @ 60 yards, can’t see any further 🤷🏻♂️
I can buy four (4) Tuxing compressors for what that Hill cost. The value proposition just isn't there.
I got a tuxing twin cylinder and two molecular sieve filters so I can fill my SCBA tanks in 40 minutes!
Not only that but I fill them to 4,650. That gives me a thousand PSI under the burst disc limit but I know that tank will take way over 11,000 PSI so it's not going to do anything crazy now I can always fill my gun to Maximum. Of course I do this in my air conditioned house so when I go out here in Florida it's always over 80 degrees and the pressure will continue to rise :-)
I would like one in 25 cal. I have the origin in 22 thanks to you Rick and I love it to much but I need a compressor first b/c Travis said not to hand pump it can you tell me why? Thanks Rick for all the info.
It's just a lot of work. You CAN handpump and Avenger, no problem. No one recommends it because it's not a fun proposition.
I hand pump my .25 doing 50 pumps at a time. I am 75 years old. You need enough body weight and technique. I have no trouble getting 4000 psi.
I'm curious if tuned down to say, 860-880ish fps using hammer spring adjustment, could a person get another 2 mags or 70 total shots on the reg at that 2300 psi?
I get 90 shots, with reg at about 1 Bar. Shooting 850fps 15 gr JSB pellets.
@@zerlgi hell yeah. Where's your hammer spring set?
1 bar? 14 psi?
@@zerlgi ola amigo quieres decir 100 bar con cuantas vueltas del martillo
Put some .217 Knockouts slugs in that gun please. Bet you will be surprized
Once you have the regulator set, shouldn't you tune the hammer to the new regulator setting? From what I have heard, shouldn't you set the hammer so you get a few feet slower than the max velocity.. This would assure best efficiency and not waste any unnecessary air..
You can tweak forever chasing that extra shot or extra FPS. I’ve found that it’s more than close enough to just tune the REG, but for those that want to go the extra mile, sure. Go for it.
Cheers
AGW
@@AirGunWeb If you have too much hammer then not only are you wasting air (hammer bounce) but also allowing air from the main tube to influence the velocity, as the air will rush past the regulator before it has time to close, because the output valve is open for too long.. I think it would be better to not use all the air in the regulator, I think this would help with efficiency and also extreme spread and consistency.. I think I would start with a low hammer and bring it up until I reach max velocity and then back it of some.. If you are going to do some tuning then doing all of it makes more sense than just doing part of it, it doesn't take that much more time..
@@vansantsam - Richard.. in my work with the avenger.. I have not seen it make much of a difference. There are guns where it really matters. I have not found this to be one of them which is why I didn't spend any time on it other than to mention that you can adjust the hammer spring if you like. Of course, what "doesn't matter" to me may be all the world of difference to someone else.
Cheers
AGW
@@AirGunWeb No matter if a rifle is regulated or not or if it is an Avenger or Daystate or FX.. all are influenced by the hammer, this is so critical that many have easily adjustable hammers and some have anti-bounce features built in.. Proper hammer adjustment is more critical on a regulated rifle than a non-regulated one.. I would suggest to watch all of Robert Lanes videos on regulators and hammer adjustments.. You can do as you wish but if I go to the extent of adjusting a regulator then I will spend an extra few minutes to adjust the hammer to the proper setting to match the regulator, it only takes a few minutes.. You can decrease extreme spread on a regulated rifle with proper hammer adjustment, you can also eliminate (tune out) incline and decline in power from a regulator with proper hammer adjustment.. Steve, from AEAC did a video on exactly what I have mentioned.. (how to flatten extreme spread between shots and how to tune out a steady increase or decrease in FPS from your regulator.. Robert Lane also addresses these issues.. Adjusting the regulator is only half the job.. If you are going to this extent then finishing the job is part of the process.. Whenever you make a change with your regulator you also have to adjust the hammer, that is almost a cardinal rule.. To down play this important part leave me wondering..
@@vansantsam - you are missing the point. I don’t disagree with you that there are differences to be seen and advantages to be had. But, they are sometimes not significant enough to mess with (for most shooters). I represent “most shooters” where 95% of the way is close enough and the time and energy to get the last 5% simply isn’t worth “my” time. It may be worth your time and energy and that’s great! I did not find tinkering with the hammer spring, with the the reg at max usable pressure, worth any time on the avenger. Now, drop the reg way down, you would probably do well to back off the hammer spring a bit. That was not what this video was about.
Cheers
AGW
I own the .25. It keeps up with my FX with ease. I'll never EVER spend a $1000.00+ on any air rifle again...Ill use the extra for ammo,scopes ect.
Thats a ridiculous statement...the Avenger is a very good entry level PCP but that's like saying I'm not going to buy a Dodge Hellcat again because my KIA Stinger is just as good on the race track
Ah man! I was really getting into this rifle in .25. The price is fantastic. All ready to go then started looking at compressors. Holy crap! I'm looking at $1k for turn key ready to go. Screw it, I'll stick to rimfires.
¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯ where I live you'd have angry neighbors but what I do nobody can even hear it and the raccoons are delicious :-)
I got a GX pump for 340. Worth it man that was my first complaint when I saw the price tag.
hand pumps are 150 or less, decent compressors can be had for sub-$600. "reviewers" tend to go with Gucci brands, because they're sponsored, that doesn't mean you have to.
I have to laugh when people whine about hand pumping a small reservoir gun like the avenger, meanwhile I handpump my 62ci capacity monster to 4500psi lol
I love the new gauntlet 2 .25 cal. I want to get it for my first PCP air gun. Love your shows.
Looking at the .30 but so Heavy
Why can't it tune down with air in the tube?
You can't turn the pressure down while there is pressure inside the regulator it will damage the regulator
18.13 grains?
What scope are you using for this review?
Hawke Vantage 30 Wind Angle, side focus, first focal plane. Awesome scope.
Cheers
AGW
Very nice
The performance, price, and trigger are great, but too much power for my current environment. How far DOWN can you tune the power level in the .22?
700 fps 14.3 grains. that's at 1100 regulator /w hammer spring all the way out
@@schlomoshekelstein908 excellent. Thank you!
@@schlomoshekelstein908 Wow, how many shots you get? I'm just starting to play around with tuning.
@@vonclod123 not the person you're asking, but I'm tuned to 1900 with about 1.5 turns on the hammer and I get somewhere between 70-90 shots
@@OscarzProductions All good, thanks for your input, that is pretty much exactly where I'm at, 1900-ish and 1.5 on the hammerspring. Still getting almost 900fps on a 14g pellet.
Great video.
Damn... I have this dilemma of wanting an Avenger, a Kayak, and an HPA compressor all at once. decisions, decisions...
Same here buddy! throw in a E-Bike (wife's idea), A downward scan fish finder, and a new Bullpup (I already have the Avenger wood).
@@rasberryrl well. 10 months later... lol. Got my kayak. Also have an Umarex Origin and a Yong Heng compressor! Woohoo!
Where was the hs when filming this?
TY great vid
'd rather wait and buy the gauntlet 2. more power, more shots, no regulator creep, easy fix if leaking.
No reg creep on the gauntlet 2. First I've heard. My Gauntlet has the Ninja reg and it even creeps some. My .25 Avenger crept 100 to 150lbs for like a month. Not anymore. Steady as a rock.
@@robert7984 how did you fix the avenger reg creep ?
@@joznew1 it settles after a few fills/adjustments. it fixes itself
The avenger definitely needs bigger gauges they are so hard to read
I'm waiting for the tactical version.
Bonacci Goods carries a tactical chassie for the Avenger
good video
Just searched for this 2 hours ago now its here. Trying to decide between .25 and .22 for hunting out to around 75 yards for small game.
Both will work well. If you want just small game and more shots, then go for the .22.
Cheers
AGW
Hammer spring Wilber
I like that chrony, but not so much the voice. If we could get a model with Sue doing the speaking would be cool though!
I have found that in my 22 avenger that the FX 15.9 grain shoot the best
Mines shoots just about any pellet good (most of them great), and it shoots All slugs terribly smh...check out the Crossman copper mags 14.4 at about 1500 PSI on the reg.
@@rasberryrl hay te agrupo mejor en el regulador
I can't believe your resting that gun on the scope
Dude if your optic can't handle that then it's garbage
@@benningsniper9516 that's why you can't hit the bullseye
@@sat20387 leaning a gun on an optic for a few seconds isn't going to fo anything to it.
Educated yourself.
My .25 cal likes 25/2600 psi
How many shots do you get?
@@timmy4539 The .25 wood stock Avenger is my first PCP gun. Once I'm done with my air dryer filter system, my goal is 40 shots per fill as I have 5x 8 round magazines.
@@BOTzerker qp
Love your videos. But you over kill on everything you do. Js.
How many turns on hammerspring. Tho