Unpopular opinion I guess but I love the quick edit pop-up. I have all my activities as hidden by default and it’s a super easy way to choose if I want to post it publicly or not (I prefer this over using strautomator).
I'll never understand why Strava can't automatically flag/delete any recently uploaded ride where the top speed is over 60mph for a sustained period of time. #1 reason ride is not legitimate is people leave their gps recording after the ride has ended and then get in their car setting KOMs all the way home.
I never understand why Strava can't automatically flag runs holding avg speed higher than the world record at this distance. I've seen too many sub-55 min half marathons and sub-25 mins 10 km.
Yet another way how Quick Edit is intrusive: it's popping up on top of the EDIT screen when I'm already editing this very same activity. I.e. finish a workout, wait for it to sync & go to strava. Open an activity. Click three dots -> Edit activity. Start editing... VOILA -> a prompt to edit something I'm already editing. That's an annoyance.
Can't agree more! I was always curious how Strava got to where it is by advertising a service that was mostly targeted at competitive athletes. That is a fraction of the population, where RideWithGPS and Komoot, etc, all offer routing for much cheaper (and free for Komoot) that would cover the larger population. Also, Garmin and Wahoo obviously provide this included with the one-off cost as well as all metrics not inclusive of "K/QOM's" *shrugs*
yeah i've only seen strava as a way to link to community. Stat wise, my Garmin is up to the job if not more so. $80 to join a community? Naw i'll just join a run club lol
Ya bunch of BS, was with them for years and years at $60 a year, kind of like Grandfathered in, in way... But once they jumped up to $80, nah I'm good... I'll let Garmin Connect shoot me all the data..
Similar for me. I had a paid subscription for years but they basically doubled my price and it’s not worth that to me. It’s their loss, instead of getting $50 a year from me, they now get to host my data for free
To summarize: Strava... - ... killed an extremely popular (in the right bubble - skimo it was defacto default) outdoor app without integrating any of the relevant features (gradient overlays, snowlayer etc.) - ... integrated useless AI generated "messages" (that are exactly as useless in my case as described by you - it cannot even differentiate between commute/road bike despite the information being present) - ... messes around with routing without getting it right - ... censors parts of its forum/community by read only (disappearing comments on everything related to FATMAP come on top of that) - ... makes Quick Edit intrusive (good work on this - I've never once used it and hate to have to get rid of it every single time) - ... removes all non-strava links whatsoever Seems like a solid trajectory 👍
Every tech company does this, you hit a sweet spot and hire a bunch of people who start making constant useless changes to justify their job, where in reality they really should just be not messing with things
Heatmaps only showing the last 12 months of activities has basically killed the interest of it in places where there aren't that many people hiking/running. There are some areas where it's mostly blank, despite the trails being there. Before the change , you could see where people actually went over the years. Not everyone lives in the Bay Area, but I guess that's the only place they "tested" it...
@@john.maynard yours, yes. But not the global heatmap with everyone's activities, that was useful precisely to find new trails you've never walked but that exist.
I pay for Strava not because paid version is good but because the free version was so good I wanted to support it. Hate the new prompt for every activity to rename it.
I could have written the same, being a subscriber is rather a support from my side, because I'm really grateful to Strava for pulling me back to running. On the other hand, quick edit should be illegal.
Agree on the AI rubbish. "You were pushing harder than usual" on a 10km easy recovery run (zone 3 max) 4 days after a 50km Ultra run that was mostly in Zone 4-5, above the max of the recovery run. It's not helpful, it's just making them look silly.
I spent years making 1000+ "perfect" segments from computer-generated activities based on government road and laser-ranged elevation data, because the segments in my area were so bad, but now Strava is deleting them in preference to the bad-data segments. So much sigh with Strava.
Killing FATMAP is a blow to avalanche safety (at least in the short-term, and especially right before northern hemisphere winter). It was the easiest product to use, since you could quickly look at colour-coded terrain and say 'staying away from there today'. Strava announced they'd integrate some features, but as-of-writing hasn't transferred anything substantive. CalTopo just added a janky solution and Gaia has basics, but FATMAP was the best combo of ease-of-use/price/feature-richness.
The only reason I use Strava is for the leaderboards, but here in the Philippines, many motorcycle riders log their daily commutes on the app. It's not that they're trying to cheat to get KOMs-they just don't care about the leaderboards or cycling at all. Most of the top spots on segment leaderboards are taken by motorcycles, which is so frustrating that I’ve stopped bothering with it. I used to flag them one by one, but new ones just keep appearing.
It's a huge problem in Southeast Asia as well. Every board is full of motorbike riders or guys that ride half and then drive home and forget their watch is on (it's always people with watches) and sweep all the KOM. There needs to be minimum thresholds.
There should be verified leaderboards. Where heartrate must be recorded. Then you can have an algorhythm to work out if someoneis going fast with a low heartrate, they're obviously not cycling. Would save reporting rides so legit people can get the kudos they deserve.
It’s such an easy thing to fix. If a world tour pro happens to destroy a leaderboard (standard deviation) make him flag it as real vs making guys like us having to flag hundreds of motorcycles
@@bryandotmeeagree. Strava even know how fast you usually go so if you are pro then the app will accept that your crushing the leaderboard. But if you suddenly go 30kmh faster than normal then it automatically flagged. Should reduce false positives a lot
Same in Vietnam. Certain segments have over 50% fake entries within the top 50. It would be so easy for them to write some code to eliminate 90% of motorcycle segment runs that end up in the top 10 of any climb related segments
Stopped paying for Strava when they tried to sneak in the price increase. Refuse to deal with dishonest companies. I have to say , I have not missed it at all, realised it gave me very little value
On the ‘clean-up’ - a top idea btw - they could make a great start on running/trail segements by removing all of those fkts that are effectively faster than world record pace on the track ie were done on a bike. Very many of my local segment leaderboards are ‘led’ by physically impossible times…
Or (I should mention) segment tables that are led by GPS errors - you know the straight lines on your maps, where you allegedly ran sub-3-minute miles... Again a bot could easily be set up to weed these things out...
Based on experience of working with product companies, Strava might have hired bunch of people who do not use Strava and are deciding on what features to work on :). Strava should focus on social aspects but nope they added AI crap. There is a forum suggestion I had created a long time back, asking Strava to allow clubs/groups to organize events based on distance, time, etc. just like brands do on Strava. But no progress on that part. If Strava can't be a good training app, and it can't be good at community related features (which it should be), then I guess it's just a pointless app to have.
Here the main problem with starring segments as a measure of popularity. Starring is also the only way to choose which live segments you want to be synced to your device, but there is a small limit of how many live segments you can have on your device - 100 on a Garmin device or as little as 20 on a Suunto device. So if you star more segments than that, essentially you can no longer choose which segments are synced. This basically breaks the Live Segments feature. This is just yet another thing that Strava hasn't thought through.
Or maybe employ testers to test as many scenarios as possible (and having beta testing to get feedback from users) before releasing changes or new features to market, but as with other tech companies this will never catch on!!!
@@mattpotter8725 Yeah, experiments are a gradual way of getting feedback and refining before changes go out to the entire population. Strava's done this in the past, not quite sure what happened in this case.
I'm betting they had a re-org. Guided by the accountants, I reckon they reduced the number of software engineers and testers, got rid of architects with cycling, running, or hiking knowledge, laid off customer support people, and then employed a bunch of high-salaried advertising/marketing folks. It is obvious that the marketing team has gained prominence over product management.
I'm so sad about fatmap. Not because of most of the reasons you've mentioned, but it was by far the easiest way I found to get high quality topo maps like OS Maps, IGN France, USGS Topo, etc. I've had to go out and get another subscription to OS Maps here in the UK instead of having FATMAP's topo maps bundled in with my Strava subscription. Real bummer. Wish they implemented all those features they've killed into Strava.
Thank you for reminding me to cancel my Strava subscription! So many questionable decisions have been made lately..... Listen to your customers Strava! Hopefully people's wallets will make them realize that.
Strava needs to add a “solo KOM” section. Given it automatically aggregates the individuals you ride with, seems it’d be easy to differentiate, and the difference between solo KOMs and group ride KOMs would be HUGE.
the routing issue is due to they show the relatively up to date OSM map, but in the underground the the map on which the routing is based on is much older, so paths got more precise or in some cases certain paths didn't exist back then.. and I think they also got something messy in their algorithm when the underground changes between paths Since I like to explore new areas, my biggest problem is that when creating a basic bike route only the personal heatmap of the 'basic rides' is shown, not the gravel/mtb...
Wish there was a group ride setting. Where the app could match your riding level with other riders for finding training partner or someone to go riding with. Or even be able to message, people could opt out of being able to be able to message others.
Yes I agree 100% that to get be shown in the top 10 (or however many positions) of leaderboards you should have to have some type of data aside from speed only. What they should also do is add in a heart rate check - for segments with any significant climbing, the heart rate data must be over some reasonably low amount like 130. (because there are many times when mtb guys get in a car to ride to/from trails, with their heart rate monitors on and recording ride data - so they take climb koms with 80-110 pulse. All those should obviously be auto flagged)
As someone who names their rides 2024.116 , 2024.117 , 2024.118, etc. you can imagine how well these changes went over. Can confirm it has since been fixed though as of about a week ago.
improvements and kudos so highly sought after they keep it coming and go bythe adage better to ask forgiveness than permision... change is only good if it comes from a beta program that has beeu tested by a large population of diverse users with feedback.
Yup! I thought it was just me regarding the route issues. I had to keep redoing the routes because it kept bringing me through crazy areas instead of where I’m trying to go.
One of the benefits of being North of 60 years old is that #1) I don’t care what other people are doing or think about me; #2) I KNOW people don’t or should not care what I’m doing; and #3) my motivation to improve my mental and physical health comes from within, it does not come from social media.
Yes, at 72, I too don't care about getting my self-esteem from competing with peers. Thanks for your comment. You have made up my mind. I'm going ahead to delete Strava from my life.
You've probably seen they've started filtering the personal heatmap according to the type of activity you're planning, the problem I have is the amount of riding I've done with the road designation since gravel didn't exist, so when I want to check a section on a gravel ride the section I was looking for it wasn't there, I made the mistake of changing the designation to road and the map was completely remodeled.
Compared to Komoot, the strava routing function is a joke (Garmin too, btw). Like many others, I use Strava because I am mildly interested in the rides of some people I subscribed to, and sometimes I want to share a ride only with my subscribers. No need for another Facebook bs. Stopped paying when they did the EU price stunt, and it gets worse every week, like the quick edit. It would be ok if I could disable it for good.
Exact issues (routing, multi devices, device description) that I am dealing with for a while. I just use web ui, and not app, but their website UI needs major revamping. Being in IT, I get how hard it is to develop a resource like this, but some quality of life features need improvement.
I confirm that the routing issues with Strava are due to a massive change to their terrain dataset. And not a good one. There’s a ride I often do near when I live, that is 100% small backroads, surfaced. Until recently, Strava would show them as “road”. Since their recent changes, they now appear as “gravel/trail”. And thus if you want to include them in a “road” route, Strava will do crazy things to not use them.
The most annoying thing for me with route planner on browser is if I select I want to draw a gravel ride, it shows my gravel heat map only, whereas I want to see where I also rode by road bike or MTB, and vice-versa. I end up drawing rides as road rides also for gravel and MTB, at least it is more stable.
Speaking of toggling off the new edit screen in settings... Leaderboards: pls give subscribers an option to hide riders that don't have PM and HRM data. Here in the Alps, e-bikes are populating many of the top results
The quick edit would have been much more useful to me if mute activity was there! I commute by bike or walk, and often short trips, and I don’t want to fill up ppls feed with that, so I have private by default, but make everything public and mute all the commutes.
I've reported Strava to the German regulation body for customer rights because of price discrimination. Well, I'm not coming back even when Strava introduces a single price for all EU citizens as the law requires.
"As an EU national or resident you can't be charged a higher price when buying products or services in the EU just because of your nationality or country of residence."
Regulation (EU) 2018/302 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 28 February 2018 on addressing unjustified geo-blocking and other forms of discrimination based on customers' nationality, place of residence or place of establishment within the internal market and amending Regulations (EC) No 2006/2004 and (EU) 2017/2394 and Directive 2009/22/EC (Text with EEA relevance. )
Great Fit File and I found it entertaining. I could have watched you both roast Strava for twice as long! My thoughts: Athletic Intelligence I have serious concerns about how Strava has implemented Athletic Intelligence, it just seems to be looking at stats in isolation and not as a whole package. Take the average speed for example, if I told my 9 year old daughter that my last ride had an average speed 3kph higher than my 30 day average she would tell me that's great. But if I told her I was on the flat and didn't go up any hills she would tell me that's cheating "Even I know going up hills is harder daddy." Strava has billions of data points that they can use to train an AI/ML model on and it seems to me they haven't actually built any model at all. They pull a stat from your latest ride (be it HR, Candace, Avg Speed), run a query against the previous 30 day average and bingo they throw out a generic text. It seems to me they are more interested in getting an AI feature on the app more than developing a real and useful AI implementation. From an AI perspective I would expect some of these feature: I did a hard ride yesterday so when I did today's recovery ride and uploaded it then the AI would give me feedback on how well I did on my recovery ride. Did I push too hard? Did I take it too easy? I did an interval ride today and uploaded it. Strava would recognize that from the warm up, 5x intervals then cool down. It would go away and find other interval rides I did and give me useful insights based on all the available data. Some rides could be on the flat some on rolling terrain, but formulas exist to normalize/equalize them...e.g wattscalculator.com To be honest, I could jump on a plane to France hire a basic road bike and descend any of the iconic climbs or descents seen in the Tour de France and I'm sure that my average speed will be higher than any ride I have completed in the past 30 days. Strava's Athletic Intelligence would then tell me that I've nailed it and my training and hard work has paid off. It wouldn't look at things like cadence, heart rate and power (not that I have a power meter) or relative effort. It would totally ignore the profile of the ride. One other concern about the new Athletic Intelligence is that it currently only runs on the mobile app, not the web. I'm pretty sure a lot of the smallest AI LLM models are still too big to run on my mobile phone which tells me that its not a true AI implementation. Anything that Athletic Intelligence currently gives me I can get from Garmin Connect on the web by running reports. I can see trends, spot outliers, I understand my own body and realize my heart rate is trending down because I'm getting fitter, I'm going slower this week because I've climbed more or my heart rate is higher because I was at the pub last night for my brothers birthday and hungover. Strava's AI implementation is a massive fail! Quick Edit Leaving behind the AI, how did the new edit on the mobile app pass any basic QA checks? And how did it even get designed in the first place. Strava is a software technology company that deals in data. Any update to software needs to be follow certain processes to be successful. I am at a loss to see what the business requirements were? Did they document any use cases? What were the developers given to go away and write the code? Do they have a test team to verify the use cases? have they outsourced the development like they have the PR team, community and forums? it certainly seems that way. The UX is awful to the point of being annoying. I certainly would never let any of my teams release that to internal QA teams never mind public beta testers. Why force such an intrusive experience on app users in the first place? A better UX would be the following: Given an activity has been uploaded to Strava for a user When the user views that activity on the mobile app for the first time Then a pop up is displayed asking if the user wishes to edit it Given multiple activities have been uploaded to Strava for a user And a number seem to be similar but with different devices When the user views one of the similar activity on the mobile app for the first time And they edit the activity Then prompt the user if they wish to apply the settings to all similar activities Given a few hours dedicated to thinking about the UX I could write dozens of scenarios that would make more sense and be more user friendly than what they have implemented. I'm with Des and Ray, give me a toggle in my profile so I can switch it off completely. Even better would be to roll back the change until they have actually done some analysis regarding what UX they wish to implement and test it internally before just throwing it out in the wild and hoping it works. KOM clean up Another massive fail! Given that they have millions of data points I am sure that any decent AI/ML developers culd design and implement a model that would highlight fraudulent KOM/QOM entries. A few climbs that I complete on are similar in ascent and length to the spring classics, yet I am sure even Matthieu van der Poel could not claim the KOM. Strava is planning to implement verified segments, what about verified riders? If a top 10 classics rider can complete a 1.5km 10% average climbs in x seconds with y watts in a classic then "Big George" completing a 99% similar climb of 1.5km 10% average over a 45 seconds quicker on his local route must be flagged. I'm sure Big George could attack Tadej Pogacar and win the world champs. I was shocked the other day on one segment, I had the 6h best time this year and 69th over all, must be a mistake! Second in my age group. Not bad considering I'm in my 50's and overweight. Admittedly I had a tailwind most of the way at 27kph which helped. Yet another segment later in my ride I was nowhere near that level, similar elevation and direction but double the length, and my average speed was almost identical. I was miles off any leader board! KOM 24kph on average faster and average HR less than 90bpm, second place is almost 150bpm. Someone else on the top 10 has over 700 watts over almost a 3 minute effort, everyone else round about has half that. WTF?!? No matter what anyone says stats do not lie. Politicians bullshit the story to fit the stats, but the stats dont lie if you have intelligence and examine them! Strava has the data, they know whats normal, whats super human (Tadej, Matthieu, Remco), and whats downright bullshit and cheating! Fatmap Sorry cannot comment and I didn't even know about it, but seems on the face of it as another fail. Strava Routes Yip i agree they are messed up. i tend to explore more using heat maps then save an activity as a route if I like it, but I find Komoot is my go to routing platform these days. Finally This seems like a big WTH moment for Strava. Have they outsourced the design and development teams to a team who does not know what Strava means to the community? Have they been smoking something? Who knows! Hopefully they can get back on track.
Quick Edit - I would use it. Due to having wahoo, I need to manually change all my rides from ride to gravel ride. But Quick Edit does not have option to change ride type…
I have seen the routing issues on all platforms since months or years and I think the problem comes from OpenStreetMap. All of the platforms (strava, komoot,...) are using it and on basis of theses data, the connections will be done. If there is an error, they would need to overright it based on there heatmap. For me the quick edit function contains not all needed point wich I edit after an activity. I would need at least need the commute option and also the shoes which I used. I would love to see the AI in the naming, because many of my rides are commute rides and I do name the every time in the same way and count up the days. Also it should figure it out quite easy if it is a commute or not.
Regarding the timeline; I find it surprising the standard isn't the moment of uploading. If you do a long effort of many hours, when you upload it it'll be way down the timeline. Or at least give the option; on almost any website you can 'sort by'.
I have given up on strava routes here in uk for gravel as I end up in the most terrible places. Komoot has been a revelation and I really trust the routes they seem to really understand the difference between a bridleway and footpath etc
The AI thing is total crap. At this time of year in the UK, if the weather is nice I go out and ride for pure enjoyment, simply because I know there will be fewer of these days in the coming months, and will I have plenty of time to do structured workouts/training on Zwift/Indoors. The Strava AI keeps telling me how well I'm doing, and I should keep it up, and Garmin is screaming at me for "overreaching" and currently recommending 4 consecutive rest days. The joke of it is Strava's own analytics are showing my form is currently in the toilet.
What really needs improvement is segments in other sports than cycling. When I am kayaking for some reason I compete with rowers, its totally weird those 2 sports share segments even though Strava has too different profiles for these sports, and secondly there is not option for what kind of boat it is, so is it a 1,2,4 or 8 seated which of course makes segments in that sports useless. I like they remove duplicated segments and check for if performances were legit. But minimum requirement with HR and Powermeter on bikes should indeed be used or at least make a filter to let me filter everything out that doesnt meet those requirements
LUV the idea of using AI for Strava Rides titles like Bandok. The key to making the AI data analysis relevant and contextual accurate is having a proprietary data (like us) and doing the prompt engineering like we have done.
The routing feature is hella frustrating… I used it to route a ride in Spain and it kept routing me away from a straight line from one point to another point… I started thinking maybe there was something wrong in the road… well, I’m on the ride and follow the prompts and it took my road bike, with road tires, off-road… I ended up on a dirt gravel trail, getting chased/stalked by Cujo through a blanket of trees… fortunately I heard cars and followed the sound praying I didn’t get a flat… well, I ended up back on the same road I was initially on!!! wtf!!!
Thanks for this video. It’s sad that Strava follows up their price increases with degrading the usefulness of the app. The platform has so much potential, but obviously the opportunity is squandered by poor vision and execution.
I use garmin profiles to automatic select the correct bike so anything on my gravel bike is a “gravel ride” even if it is 100% pavement. To me the convenience of having the correct bike auto selected outweighs the weirdness of having gravel rides on roads
The Strava route builder stopped working for me a few years ago, for some reason it could no longer transition from path to road. I just komoot now for route building and Garmin for stat tracking. Strava is just a social platform and if they put more of that behind a paywall then I won't use it anymore.
Here is Another issue with the new Strava "Quick Edit" page that pops up when you do a ride and open strava is that if you do a Zwift Ride and open Strava, the Zwift pictures and video are not uploaded as you have the activity opened for edit. So the screenshots you selected on Zwift don't get uploaded to that activity.
I've had many issues with garmin edge auto routing on gravel, tried three suggested routes recently and it kept routing my up single track close to 40%, they were barely hikable and MVP couldn't have ridden these trails. There appears to be little distinction between a steep hiking trail and a rideable mtb/gravel trail.
Forget the easy edit pop up, I'd be happy if Strava just used my Garmin activity titles instead of forcing me to edit if I want them to match. If they broke routes and maps there's no reason for me to resubscribe. But, with Garmin's announcement that they are improving the Explore app mapping I smell a falling out between Garmin and Strava. I wonder if Strava WAS paying Garmin to stay off their lawn, and now they're not.
The activity feed bug is the one that bugs me the most. It shows me the SAME activity from 1 person every single time, from two weeks ago, but not what friends have done recently.
Routes: I’ve planned most of my routes with Komoot for 3 years now. But good to know that I shouldn’t be going back to the odd one to be created on Strave Forum: the value of the ‘hub’ was limited anyway. These Strava people argued points you’ve made, changed the titles, etc and very few suggestions have actually been implemented. Links: So so stupid of them to disallow links. AI: turned it off two days after they implemented it - don’t need that crap Forced edit of rides: I always edit my ride titles but now I click the prompt away first and do it the normal way.
26:20 I absolutely love this feature. I don’t have all my activities visible, and this makes it super easy to switch the activity that just uploaded to “visible to followers.” You used to have to go through like 4 screens to edit that, but now it takes like 3 seconds.
the only reason to keep Strava by the way - except "community" - is device agnosticism. it just makes device/vendor lock-in much less of a problem with GPS watches. you are not stuck with your Garmin/Suunto/Polar app, you can switch your watch brand much more easily thanks to Strava, because your training history will still be in one place
What about the missing rides from the Power Curve? I'm constantly seeing that best efforts are missing. Essentially it makes the power curves useless and unreliable.
@@Pastamistic My suspicion is that they get paid by Strava, or at least have some kind of mutual partnership with them, for not having built out this creature on their own site, that or Strava got its lawyers involved. Either way I can't see Garmin adding features to Garmin Connect as this costs money and would it really help them sell any more units of their hardware? I doubt it. They'll leave me features to companies like Strava they know there's little money in it, hence why Strava has tried to sell itself on being a social media company rather than a fitness one. I stopped using Strava they put everything behind a paywall. I know they needed to make money but you do that by creating new advanced features that will really help people improve their fitness. If it's just about showing off to friends I don't see much money in that. From what I remember private equity got involved and they don't care about use experience or creating a good product, all they are interested in is extracting as much money for themselves before selling for a profit. This is probably why what sounds like some nice creatures and cleanup of their database being released in such a bad way. It doesn't surprise me having worked at companies where this happened.
Have been a paid member since almost day one. 3,500+ rides logged. Haven't uploaded one for maybe 18 months, need to remember to cancel the subscription. I'm clearly not missing much.
I’m unable to create segments at all, which many community members have issues wih as well. I also can’t look for segments on my phone or ipad which is infuriating, I can only do it via desktop.
If you find a way to give them feedback I'd love a tick box in the "my gear" that allows you to say this gear is ebike. For those that are trying to get accurate stats that would then eliminate at least the honest people and make their coding easier to distinguish if the riders edit their own rides to say what device they were riding.
Maybe it would be useful to have AI check any proposed ‘new’ segments from users against established segments in an area to prevent creation of new duplicate segments.
Huh? If I get your question right one can already do that. Start screen -> click lower right "you" -> above right "activities" -> click on the search box -> fifth from left "data". Here one can choose a date range, or after you switched the toggle, enter a single specific date (day).
What are those little UCI Climb category icons on your screen there, Ray? I've never seen those before and don't see them even when I'm viewing others' rides on the segments you're looking at.
I'll be honest, I've never entirely understood this complaint. Strava, by their very own mission statement on their home page, is to be the "social network for athletes". And it's always been this way since the very beginning. It's frankly why there are 100 million people on Strava, to share your activities and see others. Outside of Strava heat maps, native company platforms (e.g. Garmin Connect/etc...) offer far more analytic-type capabilities for free. Certainly, Strava has non-social benefits if you have devices from multiple companies (e.g. Garmin watch but Wahoo bike computer). But to most people, *the draw* of Strava is the social pieces. (-Ray)
Main draw of the platform sure, but the subscription does not add that much there. For me, the main draw for paying has been that route building is so good, but that's gone now.
@@thefitfile back the day it wasnt that focused on the social media stuff, then once they saturated, a perfectly good sports app, their market then social media and the money took over. I get it but dont like it, so refuse to pay and add nothing beyond posting my garmin to the feed. They keep taking away free elements but im never going to pay.
It’s easy to cheat on strava with a car or e-bike. Having power and hr is one way to show if you actually put in the work (or a person you had do the work for you). Unfortunately so many people cheat.
@@FiguringOut50s ....which does not prove anything. There are far too many unknowns for a third party to say whether HR and power data makes a time more legitimate or not. It does not 'show' the person put the work in at all. Erroneous power data, attaching it to another person, an animal, a cardiac simulation machine, a power producing machine, a data synthesizer/enhancer after the event, ... any number of permutations/combinations of some and/or all of the above... and the whole thing holds no value.
Just watch your video regarding routes, routing, it's very frustrating. Does this affect/effect routes that you already have on your saved routes when you come to use them. Does it reroute whilst out riding away from what you already know to be save riding.
Local legends is broke as well. I did not know I was one till I looked at my friends page. Strava told him I was the Local Legend but did not tell me (on one important segment) but it did tell me I was on some other segments.
Desfit and DCR roasting Strava for an hour cannot be good news for Strava. 😂
But hopefully what they need to work to fix a lot of this stuff
Unpopular opinion I guess but I love the quick edit pop-up. I have all my activities as hidden by default and it’s a super easy way to choose if I want to post it publicly or not (I prefer this over using strautomator).
I'll never understand why Strava can't automatically flag/delete any recently uploaded ride where the top speed is over 60mph for a sustained period of time. #1 reason ride is not legitimate is people leave their gps recording after the ride has ended and then get in their car setting KOMs all the way home.
I never understand why Strava can't automatically flag runs holding avg speed higher than the world record at this distance. I've seen too many sub-55 min half marathons and sub-25 mins 10 km.
Yet another way how Quick Edit is intrusive: it's popping up on top of the EDIT screen when I'm already editing this very same activity.
I.e. finish a workout, wait for it to sync & go to strava. Open an activity. Click three dots -> Edit activity. Start editing... VOILA -> a prompt to edit something I'm already editing. That's an annoyance.
$80 a year for data and analytics is just insane. My Garmin gives me all the stats I need.
Can't agree more!
I was always curious how Strava got to where it is by advertising a service that was mostly targeted at competitive athletes. That is a fraction of the population, where RideWithGPS and Komoot, etc, all offer routing for much cheaper (and free for Komoot) that would cover the larger population. Also, Garmin and Wahoo obviously provide this included with the one-off cost as well as all metrics not inclusive of "K/QOM's" *shrugs*
yeah i've only seen strava as a way to link to community. Stat wise, my Garmin is up to the job if not more so. $80 to join a community? Naw i'll just join a run club lol
That's exactly why I just use my garmin and the free version of strava. The only thing I like premium for is cycling live segments.
Ya bunch of BS, was with them for years and years at $60 a year, kind of like Grandfathered in, in way... But once they jumped up to $80, nah I'm good... I'll let Garmin Connect shoot me all the data..
Similar for me. I had a paid subscription for years but they basically doubled my price and it’s not worth that to me. It’s their loss, instead of getting $50 a year from me, they now get to host my data for free
To summarize: Strava...
- ... killed an extremely popular (in the right bubble - skimo it was defacto default) outdoor app without integrating any of the relevant features (gradient overlays, snowlayer etc.)
- ... integrated useless AI generated "messages" (that are exactly as useless in my case as described by you - it cannot even differentiate between commute/road bike despite the information being present)
- ... messes around with routing without getting it right
- ... censors parts of its forum/community by read only (disappearing comments on everything related to FATMAP come on top of that)
- ... makes Quick Edit intrusive (good work on this - I've never once used it and hate to have to get rid of it every single time)
- ... removes all non-strava links whatsoever
Seems like a solid trajectory 👍
Strava is the embodiment of the 'put a stick through your front wheel while riding' meme.
Every tech company does this, you hit a sweet spot and hire a bunch of people who start making constant useless changes to justify their job, where in reality they really should just be not messing with things
they fire seasoned employees who got them there and want more and hire new. grass is always greener but it really mostly isn't
Links being removed is a huge loss. As a paying Strava subscriber, they're really making it tough for me to stay subscribed.
Won’t they change it? It’s utter BS
Heatmaps only showing the last 12 months of activities has basically killed the interest of it in places where there aren't that many people hiking/running. There are some areas where it's mostly blank, despite the trails being there. Before the change , you could see where people actually went over the years. Not everyone lives in the Bay Area, but I guess that's the only place they "tested" it...
This
Complete disaster for rural gravel. Dumbasses.
That is bad. We use heatmaps in our county to advocate for bike lanes. 😠
My heatmap shows all of my activities - at least on the web. I’m a subscriber.
@@john.maynard yours, yes. But not the global heatmap with everyone's activities, that was useful precisely to find new trails you've never walked but that exist.
I pay for Strava not because paid version is good but because the free version was so good I wanted to support it. Hate the new prompt for every activity to rename it.
That‘s the most annoying software feature I have seen in a long time
I could have written the same, being a subscriber is rather a support from my side, because I'm really grateful to Strava for pulling me back to running.
On the other hand, quick edit should be illegal.
@@matthiasra1806yes agreed, but you can swipe out of it super fast.
Agree on the AI rubbish. "You were pushing harder than usual" on a 10km easy recovery run (zone 3 max) 4 days after a 50km Ultra run that was mostly in Zone 4-5, above the max of the recovery run. It's not helpful, it's just making them look silly.
It’s how genZ train
Introducing AI to Strava definitely is the worst retrograde step.
I spent years making 1000+ "perfect" segments from computer-generated activities based on government road and laser-ranged elevation data, because the segments in my area were so bad, but now Strava is deleting them in preference to the bad-data segments. So much sigh with Strava.
Killing FATMAP is a blow to avalanche safety (at least in the short-term, and especially right before northern hemisphere winter). It was the easiest product to use, since you could quickly look at colour-coded terrain and say 'staying away from there today'. Strava announced they'd integrate some features, but as-of-writing hasn't transferred anything substantive. CalTopo just added a janky solution and Gaia has basics, but FATMAP was the best combo of ease-of-use/price/feature-richness.
You two are the strava experts. Crazy they don't take your advice. Free consulting. The pop up thing after activity drives me crazy.
The only reason I use Strava is for the leaderboards, but here in the Philippines, many motorcycle riders log their daily commutes on the app. It's not that they're trying to cheat to get KOMs-they just don't care about the leaderboards or cycling at all. Most of the top spots on segment leaderboards are taken by motorcycles, which is so frustrating that I’ve stopped bothering with it. I used to flag them one by one, but new ones just keep appearing.
It's a huge problem in Southeast Asia as well. Every board is full of motorbike riders or guys that ride half and then drive home and forget their watch is on (it's always people with watches) and sweep all the KOM. There needs to be minimum thresholds.
There should be verified leaderboards. Where heartrate must be recorded. Then you can have an algorhythm to work out if someoneis going fast with a low heartrate, they're obviously not cycling.
Would save reporting rides so legit people can get the kudos they deserve.
It’s such an easy thing to fix. If a world tour pro happens to destroy a leaderboard (standard deviation) make him flag it as real vs making guys like us having to flag hundreds of motorcycles
@@bryandotmeeagree. Strava even know how fast you usually go so if you are pro then the app will accept that your crushing the leaderboard. But if you suddenly go 30kmh faster than normal then it automatically flagged. Should reduce false positives a lot
Same in Vietnam. Certain segments have over 50% fake entries within the top 50. It would be so easy for them to write some code to eliminate 90% of motorcycle segment runs that end up in the top 10 of any climb related segments
I hate the prompt to edit/name your workout.. should be an option
Excatly - super annoying and unnecessary for me too
Stopped paying for Strava when they tried to sneak in the price increase. Refuse to deal with dishonest companies. I have to say , I have not missed it at all, realised it gave me very little value
On the ‘clean-up’ - a top idea btw - they could make a great start on running/trail segements by removing all of those fkts that are effectively faster than world record pace on the track ie were done on a bike. Very many of my local segment leaderboards are ‘led’ by physically impossible times…
Or (I should mention) segment tables that are led by GPS errors - you know the straight lines on your maps, where you allegedly ran sub-3-minute miles... Again a bot could easily be set up to weed these things out...
Based on experience of working with product companies, Strava might have hired bunch of people who do not use Strava and are deciding on what features to work on :).
Strava should focus on social aspects but nope they added AI crap. There is a forum suggestion I had created a long time back, asking Strava to allow clubs/groups to organize events based on distance, time, etc. just like brands do on Strava. But no progress on that part.
If Strava can't be a good training app, and it can't be good at community related features (which it should be), then I guess it's just a pointless app to have.
yes. The social functionality is what 90% of subscribers are paying for.
Here the main problem with starring segments as a measure of popularity. Starring is also the only way to choose which live segments you want to be synced to your device, but there is a small limit of how many live segments you can have on your device - 100 on a Garmin device or as little as 20 on a Suunto device. So if you star more segments than that, essentially you can no longer choose which segments are synced. This basically breaks the Live Segments feature. This is just yet another thing that Strava hasn't thought through.
You should call this segment "The Fit and the Furious File" instead.
_furiously revs pedals_
Sounds like some idiotic corporation (or investors) got hold of it and are "improving" it
One of my favorite episodes for all the wrong reasons.
It’s clear their product management team needs to listen, and really listen to the community.
They also need to set timelines and expectations with their customers as well.
Or maybe employ testers to test as many scenarios as possible (and having beta testing to get feedback from users) before releasing changes or new features to market, but as with other tech companies this will never catch on!!!
@@mattpotter8725 Yeah, experiments are a gradual way of getting feedback and refining before changes go out to the entire population. Strava's done this in the past, not quite sure what happened in this case.
I'm betting they had a re-org. Guided by the accountants, I reckon they reduced the number of software engineers and testers, got rid of architects with cycling, running, or hiking knowledge, laid off customer support people, and then employed a bunch of high-salaried advertising/marketing folks. It is obvious that the marketing team has gained prominence over product management.
I'm so sad about fatmap. Not because of most of the reasons you've mentioned, but it was by far the easiest way I found to get high quality topo maps like OS Maps, IGN France, USGS Topo, etc. I've had to go out and get another subscription to OS Maps here in the UK instead of having FATMAP's topo maps bundled in with my Strava subscription. Real bummer. Wish they implemented all those features they've killed into Strava.
Thank you for reminding me to cancel my Strava subscription! So many questionable decisions have been made lately..... Listen to your customers Strava! Hopefully people's wallets will make them realize that.
Dropped Strava over 18 months ago, still happy. This just reconfirms.
Strava needs to add a “solo KOM” section. Given it automatically aggregates the individuals you ride with, seems it’d be easy to differentiate, and the difference between solo KOMs and group ride KOMs would be HUGE.
koms broken, verification needed.
the routing issue is due to they show the relatively up to date OSM map, but in the underground the the map on which the routing is based on is much older, so paths got more precise or in some cases certain paths didn't exist back then.. and I think they also got something messy in their algorithm when the underground changes between paths
Since I like to explore new areas, my biggest problem is that when creating a basic bike route only the personal heatmap of the 'basic rides' is shown, not the gravel/mtb...
Wish there was a group ride setting. Where the app could match your riding level with other riders for finding training partner or someone to go riding with. Or even be able to message, people could opt out of being able to be able to message others.
strava has messaging and the ability to opt out of it lol
40:22 - Just add a filter to the leaderboard to show only rides with power/HR. Then you can create your own stipulations.
Yes I agree 100% that to get be shown in the top 10 (or however many positions) of leaderboards you should have to have some type of data aside from speed only. What they should also do is add in a heart rate check - for segments with any significant climbing, the heart rate data must be over some reasonably low amount like 130. (because there are many times when mtb guys get in a car to ride to/from trails, with their heart rate monitors on and recording ride data - so they take climb koms with 80-110 pulse. All those should obviously be auto flagged)
As someone who names their rides 2024.116 , 2024.117 , 2024.118, etc. you can imagine how well these changes went over. Can confirm it has since been fixed though as of about a week ago.
improvements and kudos so highly sought after they keep it coming and go bythe adage better to ask forgiveness than permision... change is only good if it comes from a beta program that has beeu tested by a large population of diverse users with feedback.
I've never forgiven strava for removing ant+ and bluetooth pairing back in 2019. Disappointment after disappointment after disappointment.
Yup! I thought it was just me regarding the route issues. I had to keep redoing the routes because it kept bringing me through crazy areas instead of where I’m trying to go.
One of the benefits of being North of 60 years old is that #1) I don’t care what other people are doing or think about me; #2) I KNOW people don’t or should not care what I’m doing; and #3) my motivation to improve my mental and physical health comes from within, it does not come from social media.
Guess be north of 70 imparts you with the same feelings.😂
Yes, at 72, I too don't care about getting my self-esteem from competing with peers. Thanks for your comment. You have made up my mind. I'm going ahead to delete Strava from my life.
You guys are spot on. So disappointed in Strava. Wish they could go back to a previous version.
You've probably seen they've started filtering the personal heatmap according to the type of activity you're planning, the problem I have is the amount of riding I've done with the road designation since gravel didn't exist, so when I want to check a section on a gravel ride the section I was looking for it wasn't there, I made the mistake of changing the designation to road and the map was completely remodeled.
this is super annoying - also - it was better when you can turn on/off on the pane - one click, not two
Compared to Komoot, the strava routing function is a joke (Garmin too, btw). Like many others, I use Strava because I am mildly interested in the rides of some people I subscribed to, and sometimes I want to share a ride only with my subscribers. No need for another Facebook bs. Stopped paying when they did the EU price stunt, and it gets worse every week, like the quick edit. It would be ok if I could disable it for good.
Exact issues (routing, multi devices, device description) that I am dealing with for a while. I just use web ui, and not app, but their website UI needs major revamping. Being in IT, I get how hard it is to develop a resource like this, but some quality of life features need improvement.
I confirm that the routing issues with Strava are due to a massive change to their terrain dataset. And not a good one. There’s a ride I often do near when I live, that is 100% small backroads, surfaced. Until recently, Strava would show them as “road”. Since their recent changes, they now appear as “gravel/trail”. And thus if you want to include them in a “road” route, Strava will do crazy things to not use them.
I found that some old "primary" segments have wrong elevations which is why I have created my own..
The most annoying thing for me with route planner on browser is if I select I want to draw a gravel ride, it shows my gravel heat map only, whereas I want to see where I also rode by road bike or MTB, and vice-versa. I end up drawing rides as road rides also for gravel and MTB, at least it is more stable.
Speaking of toggling off the new edit screen in settings... Leaderboards: pls give subscribers an option to hide riders that don't have PM and HRM data. Here in the Alps, e-bikes are populating many of the top results
Strava: "We do not allow links to the lower internet anymore"
The quick edit would have been much more useful to me if mute activity was there! I commute by bike or walk, and often short trips, and I don’t want to fill up ppls feed with that, so I have private by default, but make everything public and mute all the commutes.
when you have problem connection road in the route planer just set it to manual mode when you do that part of the road
Strava and FATMAP: Embrace, extend, and extinguish!
I've reported Strava to the German regulation body for customer rights because of price discrimination. Well, I'm not coming back
even when Strava introduces a single price for all EU citizens as the law requires.
LOL, there is no such law.
"As an EU national or resident you can't be charged a higher price when buying products or services in the EU just because of your nationality or country of residence."
Regulation (EU) 2018/302 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 28 February 2018 on addressing unjustified geo-blocking and other forms of discrimination based on customers' nationality, place of residence or place of establishment within the internal market and amending Regulations (EC) No 2006/2004 and (EU) 2017/2394 and Directive 2009/22/EC (Text with EEA relevance. )
Great Fit File and I found it entertaining. I could have watched you both roast Strava for twice as long!
My thoughts:
Athletic Intelligence
I have serious concerns about how Strava has implemented Athletic Intelligence, it just seems to be looking at stats in isolation and not as a whole package. Take the average speed for example, if I told my 9 year old daughter that my last ride had an average speed 3kph higher than my 30 day average she would tell me that's great. But if I told her I was on the flat and didn't go up any hills she would tell me that's cheating "Even I know going up hills is harder daddy."
Strava has billions of data points that they can use to train an AI/ML model on and it seems to me they haven't actually built any model at all. They pull a stat from your latest ride (be it HR, Candace, Avg Speed), run a query against the previous 30 day average and bingo they throw out a generic text. It seems to me they are more interested in getting an AI feature on the app more than developing a real and useful AI implementation. From an AI perspective I would expect some of these feature:
I did a hard ride yesterday so when I did today's recovery ride and uploaded it then the AI would give me feedback on how well I did on my recovery ride. Did I push too hard? Did I take it too easy?
I did an interval ride today and uploaded it. Strava would recognize that from the warm up, 5x intervals then cool down. It would go away and find other interval rides I did and give me useful insights based on all the available data. Some rides could be on the flat some on rolling terrain, but formulas exist to normalize/equalize them...e.g wattscalculator.com
To be honest, I could jump on a plane to France hire a basic road bike and descend any of the iconic climbs or descents seen in the Tour de France and I'm sure that my average speed will be higher than any ride I have completed in the past 30 days. Strava's Athletic Intelligence would then tell me that I've nailed it and my training and hard work has paid off. It wouldn't look at things like cadence, heart rate and power (not that I have a power meter) or relative effort. It would totally ignore the profile of the ride.
One other concern about the new Athletic Intelligence is that it currently only runs on the mobile app, not the web. I'm pretty sure a lot of the smallest AI LLM models are still too big to run on my mobile phone which tells me that its not a true AI implementation.
Anything that Athletic Intelligence currently gives me I can get from Garmin Connect on the web by running reports. I can see trends, spot outliers, I understand my own body and realize my heart rate is trending down because I'm getting fitter, I'm going slower this week because I've climbed more or my heart rate is higher because I was at the pub last night for my brothers birthday and hungover.
Strava's AI implementation is a massive fail!
Quick Edit
Leaving behind the AI, how did the new edit on the mobile app pass any basic QA checks? And how did it even get designed in the first place. Strava is a software technology company that deals in data. Any update to software needs to be follow certain processes to be successful. I am at a loss to see what the business requirements were? Did they document any use cases? What were the developers given to go away and write the code? Do they have a test team to verify the use cases? have they outsourced the development like they have the PR team, community and forums? it certainly seems that way.
The UX is awful to the point of being annoying. I certainly would never let any of my teams release that to internal QA teams never mind public beta testers. Why force such an intrusive experience on app users in the first place? A better UX would be the following:
Given an activity has been uploaded to Strava for a user
When the user views that activity on the mobile app for the first time
Then a pop up is displayed asking if the user wishes to edit it
Given multiple activities have been uploaded to Strava for a user
And a number seem to be similar but with different devices
When the user views one of the similar activity on the mobile app for the first time
And they edit the activity
Then prompt the user if they wish to apply the settings to all similar activities
Given a few hours dedicated to thinking about the UX I could write dozens of scenarios that would make more sense and be more user friendly than what they have implemented.
I'm with Des and Ray, give me a toggle in my profile so I can switch it off completely. Even better would be to roll back the change until they have actually done some analysis regarding what UX they wish to implement and test it internally before just throwing it out in the wild and hoping it works.
KOM clean up
Another massive fail! Given that they have millions of data points I am sure that any decent AI/ML developers culd design and implement a model that would highlight fraudulent KOM/QOM entries. A few climbs that I complete on are similar in ascent and length to the spring classics, yet I am sure even Matthieu van der Poel could not claim the KOM. Strava is planning to implement verified segments, what about verified riders? If a top 10 classics rider can complete a 1.5km 10% average climbs in x seconds with y watts in a classic then "Big George" completing a 99% similar climb of 1.5km 10% average over a 45 seconds quicker on his local route must be flagged. I'm sure Big George could attack Tadej Pogacar and win the world champs.
I was shocked the other day on one segment, I had the 6h best time this year and 69th over all, must be a mistake! Second in my age group. Not bad considering I'm in my 50's and overweight. Admittedly I had a tailwind most of the way at 27kph which helped. Yet another segment later in my ride I was nowhere near that level, similar elevation and direction but double the length, and my average speed was almost identical. I was miles off any leader board! KOM 24kph on average faster and average HR less than 90bpm, second place is almost 150bpm. Someone else on the top 10 has over 700 watts over almost a 3 minute effort, everyone else round about has half that. WTF?!? No matter what anyone says stats do not lie. Politicians bullshit the story to fit the stats, but the stats dont lie if you have intelligence and examine them!
Strava has the data, they know whats normal, whats super human (Tadej, Matthieu, Remco), and whats downright bullshit and cheating!
Fatmap
Sorry cannot comment and I didn't even know about it, but seems on the face of it as another fail.
Strava Routes
Yip i agree they are messed up. i tend to explore more using heat maps then save an activity as a route if I like it, but I find Komoot is my go to routing platform these days.
Finally
This seems like a big WTH moment for Strava. Have they outsourced the design and development teams to a team who does not know what Strava means to the community? Have they been smoking something? Who knows! Hopefully they can get back on track.
Quick Edit - I would use it. Due to having wahoo, I need to manually change all my rides from ride to gravel ride. But Quick Edit does not have option to change ride type…
I end up always have to go into manual mode to get a route right. It's very frustrating.
I have seen the routing issues on all platforms since months or years and I think the problem comes from OpenStreetMap. All of the platforms (strava, komoot,...) are using it and on basis of theses data, the connections will be done. If there is an error, they would need to overright it based on there heatmap.
For me the quick edit function contains not all needed point wich I edit after an activity. I would need at least need the commute option and also the shoes which I used. I would love to see the AI in the naming, because many of my rides are commute rides and I do name the every time in the same way and count up the days. Also it should figure it out quite easy if it is a commute or not.
Regarding the timeline; I find it surprising the standard isn't the moment of uploading. If you do a long effort of many hours, when you upload it it'll be way down the timeline. Or at least give the option; on almost any website you can 'sort by'.
I have given up on strava routes here in uk for gravel as I end up in the most terrible places. Komoot has been a revelation and I really trust the routes they seem to really understand the difference between a bridleway and footpath etc
It is 2024 and Strava still does not have any Multi Factor Authentication. Will all that privacy related data. Insane.
Dude.. but when is the club ride?!!!!
What's funny is I had created a club ride (date/time and all) in the club, good thing I was able to mark it private quickly!
Miss a few things with strava..
Thanks for this podcast
Route problems are not exclusive to Strava, I get the same with Komoot
The AI thing is total crap. At this time of year in the UK, if the weather is nice I go out and ride for pure enjoyment, simply because I know there will be fewer of these days in the coming months, and will I have plenty of time to do structured workouts/training on Zwift/Indoors. The Strava AI keeps telling me how well I'm doing, and I should keep it up, and Garmin is screaming at me for "overreaching" and currently recommending 4 consecutive rest days. The joke of it is Strava's own analytics are showing my form is currently in the toilet.
What really needs improvement is segments in other sports than cycling. When I am kayaking for some reason I compete with rowers, its totally weird those 2 sports share segments even though Strava has too different profiles for these sports, and secondly there is not option for what kind of boat it is, so is it a 1,2,4 or 8 seated which of course makes segments in that sports useless. I like they remove duplicated segments and check for if performances were legit. But minimum requirement with HR and Powermeter on bikes should indeed be used or at least make a filter to let me filter everything out that doesnt meet those requirements
Hearing Des saying 'Regular expressions' made my day
LUV the idea of using AI for Strava Rides titles like Bandok. The key to making the AI data analysis relevant and contextual accurate is having a proprietary data (like us) and doing the prompt engineering like we have done.
The routing feature is hella frustrating… I used it to route a ride in Spain and it kept routing me away from a straight line from one point to another point… I started thinking maybe there was something wrong in the road… well, I’m on the ride and follow the prompts and it took my road bike, with road tires, off-road… I ended up on a dirt gravel trail, getting chased/stalked by Cujo through a blanket of trees… fortunately I heard cars and followed the sound praying I didn’t get a flat… well, I ended up back on the same road I was initially on!!! wtf!!!
Thanks for this video. It’s sad that Strava follows up their price increases with degrading the usefulness of the app. The platform has so much potential, but obviously the opportunity is squandered by poor vision and execution.
I use garmin profiles to automatic select the correct bike so anything on my gravel bike is a “gravel ride” even if it is 100% pavement. To me the convenience of having the correct bike auto selected outweighs the weirdness of having gravel rides on roads
The Strava route builder stopped working for me a few years ago, for some reason it could no longer transition from path to road.
I just komoot now for route building and Garmin for stat tracking.
Strava is just a social platform and if they put more of that behind a paywall then I won't use it anymore.
I've noticed that on the club stats feed the mileage doesn't correspond to my own mileage on my feed
Here is Another issue with the new Strava "Quick Edit" page that pops up when you do a ride and open strava is that if you do a Zwift Ride and open Strava, the Zwift pictures and video are not uploaded as you have the activity opened for edit. So the screenshots you selected on Zwift don't get uploaded to that activity.
I've had many issues with garmin edge auto routing on gravel, tried three suggested routes recently and it kept routing my up single track close to 40%, they were barely hikable and MVP couldn't have ridden these trails. There appears to be little distinction between a steep hiking trail and a rideable mtb/gravel trail.
Forget the easy edit pop up, I'd be happy if Strava just used my Garmin activity titles instead of forcing me to edit if I want them to match.
If they broke routes and maps there's no reason for me to resubscribe. But, with Garmin's announcement that they are improving the Explore app mapping I smell a falling out between Garmin and Strava. I wonder if Strava WAS paying Garmin to stay off their lawn, and now they're not.
I used to link my race activities to the event page & results list. Sadly those links are all gone now.
I have a bit of a backlog of podcasts and I just listened to this now and wondered why API Gate wasn't mentioned 😂
The activity feed bug is the one that bugs me the most. It shows me the SAME activity from 1 person every single time, from two weeks ago, but not what friends have done recently.
Thanks for this video, I suddenly started having issues creating routes.. couple other weird phenomenons.. At least I'm not alone :)
Routes: I’ve planned most of my routes with Komoot for 3 years now. But good to know that I shouldn’t be going back to the odd one to be created on Strave
Forum: the value of the ‘hub’ was limited anyway. These Strava people argued points you’ve made, changed the titles, etc and very few suggestions have actually been implemented.
Links: So so stupid of them to disallow links.
AI: turned it off two days after they implemented it - don’t need that crap
Forced edit of rides: I always edit my ride titles but now I click the prompt away first and do it the normal way.
26:20 I absolutely love this feature. I don’t have all my activities visible, and this makes it super easy to switch the activity that just uploaded to “visible to followers.” You used to have to go through like 4 screens to edit that, but now it takes like 3 seconds.
yup but i also want to edit title and shoes/bike so i have to edit the acticity AGAIN
the only reason to keep Strava by the way - except "community" - is device agnosticism. it just makes device/vendor lock-in much less of a problem with GPS watches. you are not stuck with your Garmin/Suunto/Polar app, you can switch your watch brand much more easily thanks to Strava, because your training history will still be in one place
What about the missing rides from the Power Curve? I'm constantly seeing that best efforts are missing. Essentially it makes the power curves useless and unreliable.
I left strava a few months ago. Garmin Connect is completely sufficient.
The charts on Garmin connect are much better anyway. Maybe Garmin will beef up their own segments again now that Strava is turning to crap?
@@Pastamistic My suspicion is that they get paid by Strava, or at least have some kind of mutual partnership with them, for not having built out this creature on their own site, that or Strava got its lawyers involved. Either way I can't see Garmin adding features to Garmin Connect as this costs money and would it really help them sell any more units of their hardware? I doubt it. They'll leave me features to companies like Strava they know there's little money in it, hence why Strava has tried to sell itself on being a social media company rather than a fitness one.
I stopped using Strava they put everything behind a paywall. I know they needed to make money but you do that by creating new advanced features that will really help people improve their fitness. If it's just about showing off to friends I don't see much money in that. From what I remember private equity got involved and they don't care about use experience or creating a good product, all they are interested in is extracting as much money for themselves before selling for a profit. This is probably why what sounds like some nice creatures and cleanup of their database being released in such a bad way. It doesn't surprise me having worked at companies where this happened.
The Strava sheet overlay that you constantly have to dismiss on iOS deserves to be roasted as TERRIBLE UX.
Have been a paid member since almost day one. 3,500+ rides logged. Haven't uploaded one for maybe 18 months, need to remember to cancel the subscription. I'm clearly not missing much.
I’m unable to create segments at all, which many community members have issues wih as well. I also can’t look for segments on my phone or ipad which is infuriating, I can only do it via desktop.
This will be my last year paying for Strava. I just don’t use the paid features enough. Also, I really like ridewithgps for route mapping.
If you find a way to give them feedback I'd love a tick box in the "my gear" that allows you to say this gear is ebike. For those that are trying to get accurate stats that would then eliminate at least the honest people and make their coding easier to distinguish if the riders edit their own rides to say what device they were riding.
Strava streva. Norwegian for Strava struggling
Strava never failed me, free user here.
And btw, for the rides recorded on your other apps. They don't count
How can Strava show my PR time being longer than my overall running time?
Banning links (and decimals!) is a complete fiasco. Mind-bogglingly ludicrous. Thanks for calling Strava on their sh1t. Keep it up, guys.
Good old Map My Ride for manual route creation
Maybe it would be useful to have AI check any proposed ‘new’ segments from users against established segments in an area to prevent creation of new duplicate segments.
I want to search my activities with custom date range. Strava how hard could it be ?
Huh? If I get your question right one can already do that. Start screen -> click lower right "you" -> above right "activities" -> click on the search box -> fifth from left "data". Here one can choose a date range, or after you switched the toggle, enter a single specific date (day).
@@dresden_slowjog On the desktop ?
Strava: Oh, so what you're saying is we need to charge more money for useless crap!? Got it!
I am so glad to see this video, read all comments - Now I know I am not the only one to feel this way about strava :P. Get your shit together Strava
What are those little UCI Climb category icons on your screen there, Ray? I've never seen those before and don't see them even when I'm viewing others' rides on the segments you're looking at.
It's a Chrome browser extension called 'Sauce': www.sauce.llc/
its from strava sauce extension app
sauce is boss!
Stopped paying for Strava when it turned into Facebook, has been many a year now and it gets worse and worse.
It's hard to justify the cost.
I'll be honest, I've never entirely understood this complaint. Strava, by their very own mission statement on their home page, is to be the "social network for athletes". And it's always been this way since the very beginning. It's frankly why there are 100 million people on Strava, to share your activities and see others. Outside of Strava heat maps, native company platforms (e.g. Garmin Connect/etc...) offer far more analytic-type capabilities for free. Certainly, Strava has non-social benefits if you have devices from multiple companies (e.g. Garmin watch but Wahoo bike computer). But to most people, *the draw* of Strava is the social pieces. (-Ray)
Main draw of the platform sure, but the subscription does not add that much there. For me, the main draw for paying has been that route building is so good, but that's gone now.
@@thefitfile back the day it wasnt that focused on the social media stuff, then once they saturated, a perfectly good sports app, their market then social media and the money took over. I get it but dont like it, so refuse to pay and add nothing beyond posting my garmin to the feed. They keep taking away free elements but im never going to pay.
I am vehemently against needing heart rate or a power meter to join a leaderboard. That proves absolutely nothing!
It’s easy to cheat on strava with a car or e-bike. Having power and hr is one way to show if you actually put in the work (or a person you had do the work for you). Unfortunately so many people cheat.
@@FiguringOut50s ....which does not prove anything. There are far too many unknowns for a third party to say whether HR and power data makes a time more legitimate or not. It does not 'show' the person put the work in at all. Erroneous power data, attaching it to another person, an animal, a cardiac simulation machine, a power producing machine, a data synthesizer/enhancer after the event, ... any number of permutations/combinations of some and/or all of the above... and the whole thing holds no value.
Hopefully we see the wahoo ace in the next episode!!!
Just watch your video regarding routes, routing, it's very frustrating. Does this affect/effect routes that you already have on your saved routes when you come to use them. Does it reroute whilst out riding away from what you already know to be save riding.
My biggest gripe with Strava is "your Weekly Snapshot". It is unhealthy encouraging folks to do more and more with no possibility to opt out
Local legends is broke as well. I did not know I was one till I looked at my friends page. Strava told him I was the Local Legend but did not tell me (on one important segment) but it did tell me I was on some other segments.
If you look at Strava's career board there are a whole bunch of jobs available... looks like they axed the old guard with the new CEO.