'The Acolyte' Episode 3 Deep Dive | House of R
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- The Jedi might be bad, but Jo and Mal are here to talk you through it as they dive into 'The Acolyte' Episode 3 (08:13). They kick off their deep dive with the witchy origins of Mae and Osha, and pick apart the troubled past that haunts them and the Jedi (20:08). Later, they are joined by Ben Lindbergh to discuss the early 'Star Wars' lore and what it means for the rest of the season (01:43:03).
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Hosts: Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson
Guest: Ben Lindbergh
Producers: Steve Ahlman, John Richter
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Joanna Robinson on TH-cam!! Big fan since your GOT show with David Chen. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us as always. 😊😊
FULL VIDEO PODS!! LFG, BAD BABIESSSSS!!!!
I am so thrilled these are now videos!!!
The greatest day in my life... House of R on TH-cam!!! Content Gauntlet for the win
WHATS UP BAD BABIES
The chant was the only cringe-worthy moment but other than that I enjoyed it
I'm so happy to have visuals for you guys!
Now that you guys are standing in front of your work each episode via video, we should be clear: you look, like, super cool. Almost cooler than you’ve always sounded. The quality of the actual words-based content of the show is well-established and needs no confirmation, but appearances are firing on all geek Cylinders which is a relief, and a delight. You guys are, just, like, the coolest, devil-may-care, at-home-in-the-world, handsomest/purdiest nerdcasting champions out there rn, and we look forward to a parade of the cool t shirts and any other ways you can demonstrate how to carry our nerdly bodies with pride. Btw a show and tell would be epic - especially with a level 12 merch queen as co-host.
I'm crushing on Joanna.
The comic arc of Vader going to get the kyber crystal from Kirak Infil'a is so good. Vader gets absolutely bodied similar to the way Mae does in the first episode and uses a similar trick to defeat Infil'a.
"There no slopy writing on this show"
Then proceedes to give a example of sloppy writing.
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Hate to be a stickler, but it drives me kinda nuts that so many people misuse the term Immaculate Conception. Immaculate Conception refers to the concept that Mary, mother of Jesus, was born without the stain of Original Sin. The concept of a virgin birth or God the Son "made flesh" is known as the Incarnation. You can thank being raised Catholic and Wednesday night CCD classes for my annoying pedantry. Sorry! Love the show!
"Virgin Birth" is headed for trigger warning territory.
The two of you could undoubtedly write a better Star Wars show…
Who couldn't honestly?
With all the very straight male shouting happening online about this series, I find it so refreshing to hear both of you talk.!!!!!
Poised, intelligent and nuanced commenting on this episode.
I'm Loving it all.😊😊😊
As a straight male that has been loudly defending this show for months as the incels attacked it for their obviously bigoted reasons… this show is not good so far.. and that’s probably putting it kindly. It’s truly horrible what some people have been doing and saying about this show for months, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t just be objective about it. I love that Disney is awarding deserved opportunities to this cast and has great representation, but the bad writing and directing is just setting the cast up for even more hatred 😕
@@OEx25 define bad writing and directing? Because between you and me, only a third of that show has been broadcast.
AND with the mystery box style narrative with multiple points of views and unreliable narrators... I feel that right now whatever is being underlined as bad storytelling is most likely fans not being fed all the elements of the plot all at once.
Chill out use your brain straight male defender.
Don't ask questions, just consume product.
When Disney bought Star Wars I think a lot of fans were enthusiastic because they thought it meant not only would we be continuing the Skywalker Saga forward, but we also had the opportunity to set up a separate saga thousands of years in the past (Old Republic) to introduce a whole new saga with a blank slate. Instead, the anthology films were set within the Skywalker Saga. Then, after TROS, Star Wars exclusively became shows set between events in the Skywalker Saga. 'Filing the gaps' as Filoni once put it. We were suddenly no long moving forward in addition to not getting anything new. Then, The High Republic was sold as this Old Republic-style new adventure, but it really just seems to be filing the gaps before the Phantom Menace. Fundamentally, Star Wars is supposed to be a great epic adventure, and you know what doesn't feel epic? Filling in the gaps
The farther away from the Skywalker Saga the easier it is and the more opportunities there are to take creative risks. The closer to the S.S. the more a show/movie has to be subservient to the canon.
They should have done the math on Yoda’s age, and set the show 100 years before his birth.
Ahhh yea, this is the Star Wars audience now. Glad you guys enjoy it :)
I see zero reason to criticize the kids acting publicly. Especially with star wars history
Completely agree... I think it's fairer to blame the director(s) or even the casting when they're that young.
You can criticize their acting without saying the kids suck as kids, lol. They're acting in a massive product; criticism is perfectly appropriate. It's not like you're promoting their elimination by saying that their acting isn't so good, lol.
Think it was said as kindly and fairly as possible. They’ve played a fairly big part in the show so far and it’s honestly been tough to watch. We’re just not supposed to acknowledge it’s one of the reasons the show isn’t hitting?
A lot of haters for such a fresh new take for SW. To all boomers and racists out there, just chill you don't have to watch, just support your old racist shows, don't try and negate the efforts of the showmakers. Get a damn pinch of empathy towards minorities and make the world a tad better, why not?
So happy to see you two! It's a good day for the Bad Babies🎉
I can't believe you two are making me choose between my long walks listening to your show and the hilarity of watching you cracking each other up on actual video 😂
I’m glad I’m not the only one! Long walks + House of R have been my happy place for years now 😂
Mallory Rubin is a national treasure!
I love that you guys are on YT! Makes it even more fun! Bad babiessss!!!!
For some reason I could listen to Ben go on for hours about nothing.
I switched to video so I could objectify his muscles.
Seeing the Ringer-verse on video got me cackling like the Brendock witches!!! LFG
Totally agree about having to look back at this episode after the rest of the season. Unfortunately feel that way about much of the show so far and that’s honestly a bit tough to have for such a long span of time. I’m sure it will still feel cool when it pays off, but a whole season of not loving it and waiting for that pay off isn’t a great formula to me. Like it’s hard to watch when you’re wondering if the directing / writing is bad or if the fire sequence at the end was meant to look strange on purpose. Still optimistic for the rest, but hoping it picks up a bit soon.
summer contentagedon & full video pods? What a time to be alive. now...if we can just get some House of R merch
Nice to hear reasonable points about this episode and the series. Great job.
THAT INTRO ❤️🔥
I love the opening graphic! ❤
I just listened to this episode and now I’m going to watch the whole episode again.
Thanks for the general positivity. Rather than just finding things to be angry about.
I mean, I enjoy their deepdive coverage on shows that warrant it, like HotD with large backstories, histories and more complicated storytelling. But this show does not warrant it at all. It's shallow and average as hell. It's not written that well and the mystery setup is very boring. Having the belief that this episode will improve retroactively when we learn more later on is just a very bad sign. The episode itself should be compelling, and it isn't at all the case.
Jo!
I think we’ll see this incident from a different POV eventually & find out that the witches decided to not let Osha go & it turned into a fight. The Jedi killed the witches & used the coincidence of the fire to cover it up. That would explain Torbin’s apology in the last episode.
Oh my god, the intro graphics
Are we watching the same show?
Clearly not. To defend this pile of brown, or to treat it like it's anything more than ideological agenda, is insulting. Even if you are a lesbian or trans or whatever, this is just bad writing.
After listening for so many years, finally seeing you guys in real life is quite jarring from what I have had in my mind. I had always envisioned Mallory as Asian 😅
The witches chant made me embarrassed to own a tv
I found it rather creepy... which is what I think they were going for? 🤔
Yeah nah, big difference between creepy and shock horror.
Unsettling is perhaps a more suited adjective
@@LocoSunnyWhy did you say shock horror when what you were responding to said creepy?
That was really weird.
Yeah the second hand embarrassment was definitely felt
That chant and the way thay sang was like watching a elementary chorus concert
I’m coocoo for this content!
This is the Star Wars I've been waiting for ! It's just like being in the theatre to see The Empire Strikes Back when I was a kid! What an epic, incredible space opera! Waiting for the huge impact this has on global pop culture - keeping the legacy alive, this is
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Love seeing you guys on video! Huge fan of all the Ringer-verse content. Having said that, The Acolyte is tantamount to a crime against humanity. The show is terrible. I’m done with Star Wars. The only thing I’ll watch is Andor season 2.
I'm going to finish my first read of Dune before we ever hear the Paul of Fame episode 😭Still love the pod
WOOO Video! #teamgrannysmith
Hopefully things change with The Acolyte, but right now its skewing closer to Kenobi than Andor, in terms of quality, imo
The Acolyte is way better than overrated Andor
Cant wait to watch you guys react to wach other. Love the cut, Mal!
The video to go along with these discussions is perfect
Love having video pods. Been following Joanna from the cast of kings days.
I was really surprised with all the hate this episode has received. Star Wars is a vast universe of unique possibilities, I welcome fresh takes on the galaxy and ideas of the force. Much like the analogous religion in our world, the force can be represented and expressed by many groups in many different ways. I also think it being the high republic era it makes sense to see the cracks in the armor of the Jedi order.
I feel that some of these shows would be better received if presented all at once and not on a weekly release schedule. I watched Kenobi as it released and then a couple of months ago I binged all of the episodes one afternoon. I enjoyed it much more this way and it made it clear that it should have been a long movie instead of a series. I think the same will apply to this show
This episode is only moderately redeemable if it turns out the child’s perspective is totally off which it probably is. However the witch orgasm chant and the dialogue was pretty cringe inducing lol. The Jedi look horrible as people and so do the witches lol ..
They OFFERED to take her... they didn't straight up take her!!
Did Jo move to LA full time now? Or is this just for the summer?
Maybe it’s CGI.
imagine having to pretend that such badly written content was not exactly what it was. I'm gonna guess Rings of Power was good too, to you guys.
For sure these ladies liked Rings of Power, Shehulk and Ashoka. Bet they didn't like Andor though.
@@ioanvladescu5987They both loved Andor and have said that it’s the best Star Wars since the original trilogy.
Not sure why you would have thought otherwise.
@@Redjack10 my bad
my god, how can you guys think this is a good episode. the acting is horrible. then you pick on the kids! this is a horrible story and the writing is terrible.
Well the kids were awful and a massive part of the episode, so 🤷🏼♂️
I thought the story was interesting.
The two most annoying kids ever. It was like being in the airport.
@@RJM1693 it literally felt like they filmed the kids fighting (in the background of them talking about the ritual) a bunch of times and just forgot to cut 4 of them out… how did you just let them keep doing that a million times?
I think this episode should have been episode 1, I think the Mae twin turn would have been more impactful. That being said the kids acting in this was an odd choice and the Jedi stealing kids is not what the Jedi do. I hate that this new regime of writers and directors feel they need to deconstruct what George Lucas created, it's infuriating.
Yes it is.
In the prequels, which George Lucas wrote and directed, the younglings were very young. And got murdered. Did you think that was a day camp? Obi Wan and Quigon (sp) took Anakin from his mom.
Feloni is tight with GL. They aren’t “deconstructing” anything. They are just trying to tell the complete story.
So many fans just want them to tell the same story over and over.
You guys are trying to too hard to put a positive light on this show and this episode. You are giving the writers way too much credit.
They called She-Hulk and Obi-Wan shows genius countless times. I'm not surprised
I think you are confusing Jodie Turner with Jodie Comer. One is a Bafta and Tony award winner and the other is riding the identity politics wave and stated in Anne Boleyn bio pic.
Come on guys, calling her a brilliant actress speaks volumes about your ability as a entertainment critic.
They are probably part of the minorities targrted by said agenda. I want to live in a world where a lesbian brunette and a trans woman with glasses and braiton can sit at a table and say that The Acolyte is bad cinema.
They're both great actresses. Have you seen After Yang? One of the best original sci-fi films in the last decade.
"Identity Politics wave"???
If you don't like her cause she's black just say so.
Guys, it's okay to call it dogshit. No need to sugarcoat it
if you are too slow to understand it, just rewatch lightsaber fights 🤣🤣
@@xXerickcg92xX i'm genuinely curious, if you're enjoying Acolyte, what about it do you like?
@@SalKhayer I’m happy to have a conversation. First I don’t think it’s breaking any lore. If anything it’s adding to it. I’m not the expert in Star Wars but if you visit generationtech here on TH-cam, you will see a breakdown of lore, the show, ideas, etc. I think we still have plenty to see that will bring the story to a full circle. Once the show is over we can really critique it. Episode 3 is only showing a limited pov mostly from Osha’s view.
@@xXerickcg92xX we need more of you
This epsiode was bad. Terrible dialogue and pisses me off that they need to shi* on George Lucas and his established principles of the force.
Why do they feel the need to blow up canon????
Hmmm... if shitting on George Lucas's principles offend you then I wouldn't recommend watching the sequel trilogy
@@CoolHandLuke7what are you talking the clone wars show is cannon and so is rebles and so is tales of the jedi.
It’s hilarious how people put George Lucas on a throne when y’all are the same people who hated him so much that he sold Star Wars just to get away from you.
@@CoolHandLuke7There is no such thing as canon.
@@Redjack10 he sold star wars for money your building a false narrative here nobody bullied him to get a billion dollars get real dude.
The Jedi don’t steal kids. When they encounter children that are force sensitive they basically register them as such. If they don’t want to be Jedi then they don’t have to be. The Jedi don’t have the right to take kids but per republic law they do have the right to test and register them. The issue with the coven is that they were training these kids to use the force basically without a license. The Jedi approaching the situation like Child Protective Services.
Child Protective Services that let children play with extremely deadly weapons
@@TheIronDuke9 you see this is the problem with the show. People like you now has ammunition to use now to downplay the jedi you just proved his point why its bad writing.
The Force gives out licenses?
The Jedi haven’t been unproblematic good guys since Empire strikes back. Jedi absolutely Do steal kids they just tend to be nice about it, and then brainwash the kids into thinking it was good. Sorry to be there one to tell you since you seem to not be familiar with Star Wars expanded media.
@DinerLingo not even close to what I said.
Above all else, I found the episode unforgivably dull. That said, I could enjoy Mallory and Joanna go back and forth talking about the phone book.
Star Wars is dead , Acolyte lol. cmon review a real show
Hilarious for people to desperately scramble to find positives in a pile of steaming shit on the sole basis that if you don’t like it people will make accusations about your political allegiances. 🐑
Or maybe some people like it more than you do and have different opinions? Funny to call people 🐑 while also saying people can't possibly have different thoughts than you.
@@thebigquiet4758there has to be objective truth, though. Everyone doesn't have to like sugar but we all can agree it's sweet, right? For me, objectively, the show has a lot of issues narratively. You are allowed to like it, but to deny what's happening is crazy. People like fast food, but suggesting it's healthy is insanity.
@ahmorgan this is not a good comparison. What you think is bad, someone else won't agree. That goes for narrative as well.
@@Theresnotenough it's not about preference, it's about truth. We all have guilty pleasures. They're guilty because we know they lack quality, but we still like them. People can like this show, just admit it's not well written. We have plenty of examples of well written shows and movies, we know what that looks like
@ahmorgan someone deciding if it's well written is based on preference, bro. I could easily say "this show has the best writing ever" that's preference. Hope that helps.
Sorry guys the show sucks it's great to try to defend it but you can't it is just aweful.
I’m enjoying your deep dive but I truly do not understand how anyone can watch this episode and think the Jedi come off in a bad light.
1. When they first arrive, they do so diplomatically. It’s the witches that escalate to violence and completely dominate the mind of a Padawan (this is much different than Jedi mind trick and obviously a dark side power). The Jedi now know they are a capable coven of force users that dabble in the dark side.
2. The witches state they are exiled and not understood by the rest of the Galaxy. Exiled would mean there is a set of rules regarding their banishment and not understood could imply their dark force powers. Regardless, by their own admission the rest of the Galaxy has a negative disposition towards them.
3. The Jedi ask permission to test the children. We don’t know what would occur if they would’ve just taken Osha and left the witches alone. The witches don’t have a discussion about now they must flee so we can assume they aren’t worried about the Republic further escalating the situation.
4. The Jedi state that the witches cannot train children. This could perhaps be terms of their exile or broad terms regarding any group of exiled dark force users (since the Jedi say they were unaware of anyone there… which is poor script writing at best. The Jedi have no reason to lie about their activities there).
5. The witches repeatedly come off as hypocritical and untrustworthy. The main witch repeatedly tells Osha she’s too young to understand the world and that her wants / desires may change… while also asking her to make a lifelong decision to remain in isolation and be branded a witch. Meanwhile we know the Jedi might not be a lifelong commitment as she obviously was able to leave the order.
6. Despite being raised in an isolated coven of witches who dabble in the dark side and completely hate the Jedi, Osha knows the Jedi are a force of good. This is arguably again bad scriptwriting but you could gather that her beliefs of the Jedi as good despite all odds pointing the other way are directed through the force. Meanwhile Mae who is obviously psychopathic (attempting to murder her sister) shares the sentiment that the Jedi are evil.
7. After their diplomatic parley the witches hold a council where many share the sentiment of attacking the Jedi.
8. While we don’t know the full story yet, from the council above it would make sense that after Osha claims she is leaving the Jedi are either attacked by the witches or they tell the witches they must take both children and are attacked. It would be obvious to them that Mae is being corrupted by the dark side and dangerous to let her remain with the cult let alone be the protocol.
So now we come to why the Jedi feel so guilty. With what we have seen, they should not feel guilty or need to cover up the situation. Either they were attacked first or attacked when the witches refused or the Jedi enforced protocol. There won’t be political fallout because nobody likes the witches anyways and the Jedi would be hailed heroes for eradicating a secret / lost cult of dark side sympathizers. Perhaps they feel guilty about killing everyone but they are all adults, all part a coven, and their “power of many” mantra would likely have all of them participating in the ensuing battle. Hard things occur during war so this guilt would be momentary.
The only thing they might feel guilty about is Sol lying to Osha about Mae starting the fire. But this could be chalked up to bad screen writing (as he wouldn’t know she started the fire) or let’s assume that Mae was there when the Jedi came to collect Osha. Mae tells them “you can’t because I burned her in a fire”. Now the Jedi have even more initiative to leap into action.
For me this episode didn’t “kill Star Wars” but a lot of this show is riding on how future episodes explain what occurred. If the director’s intent was to paint the Jedi as the bad guys here they failed miserably. But remember this episode is primarily from the perspective of Osha who adores the Jedi so that could mean there are some discrepancies.
I love you both so much but I feel like you are trying to defend the indefensible.
What if Anakin was a twin, but Shmi didn't know it, because she was unconcious during the birth? Whoever performed the c-section could've stolen the other twin.
Yall liked the episode? How? Why?
They are pretty lukewarm on it. Not everyone has to be full hellfire and brimstone, reveling in the purity of their hatred. Also, the people who don't hate it don't have to be purely ecstatic about every aspect of it or supportive of every single decision that was made. There was once a thing called nuanced discourse. And yes, I was paid by Disney to say this to you.
@@jesselindsey1613Thing is that the episode isn't bad just because it breaks lore. It's just bad. I don't care about lore and continuity, I just want to see a good show. And this is just plain bad. To defend a show just because it has lesbians in it is not ok.
@@ioanvladescu5987it doesn’t break lore .
Is the directing and acting in parts cringy ? Yes, but in no way does it break lore
It IS sloppy writing. "The thread is not a power to wield".... 2 min later wields it to show how to force push someone.
Right? "Lasers and steel will not work on Jedi" *Kills Jedi Master with knife. A knife!
What a disaster of a show 😑
Oh boy 😑
1.75x speed doing a lot of heavy lifting here
This is deff not my channel
I feel like everyone is taking crazy pills. I shouldn’t have to try this hard to enjoy a show.
Who is "everyone" in this context? From where I'm sitting, everyone is telling me I'm crazy or a paid shill for liking it.
@@jesselindsey1613 People can like what they like but the breathless praise heaped upon the show on a lot of social media seems to me to be a reflexive response to all the legitimately deranged anti-woke, "Disney is ruining SW" incel-adjacent crowd's take on the show. This pod rightly acknowledged that, at least on the surface, to this point, the math ain't mathing in terms of story logic. All that to say, nice touches here and there aside, the show's first three episodes are poorly structured narratively in that they confuse the audience and not in a good way. And it's okay to point that out while still finding things to like about the show. Personally, I've found a lot less to like than most but to each their own.
@@dieterdengler That’s really interesting. I’ve seen none of that unqualified praise anywhere on social media. I’ve seen almost universal overindulgent hatred, and only very timid appreciation as a counterbalance- probably due to the belittlement that expressions of genuine enthusiasm seem to elicit. That’s why I really appreciate your level headedness about not loving it. I guess we hang out in different corners of the internet. For my part I really like it, though I think there was something a bit clumsy about this episode that may or may not sit better with me after more is revealed.
@@jesselindsey1613 I’m a contrarian so my algorithm is beyond borked. I have to “don’t recommend this channel” so many garbage man-o-sphere blogs especially about nerd stuff. Ive only myself to blame. That said, I would be perfectly happy to get to the end of Acolyte having flipped a 180.
this show is so aggressively mid that i've already checked out but i continue to follow yalls coverage cuz i like the pod and the chemistry between the two of you.
also: please do the Paul of fame episode. the streets need that one.
Never seen anyone tryng to so hard to avoid saying it was just bad.
Well because they obviously didn’t think it was. If they did they would have said so.
Normally, I have similar opinions with you guys regarding the broad strokes of a show. But this show is bad. It lacks substance, the story is silly. I’m going to finish watching it because I watch all stars wars but this is by far the worst Star Wars show and it’s not even close. Ashoka is much better than this.
I have to say it takes talent to deep dive into horse 💩 and come out only smelling like bird 💩. You guys are masterful with it. I can’t wait till Sunday where your talents won’t be wasted.
Sorry, I'm not watching a show created by Harvey Weinsten's assistant.
Star Wars is dead.
How are people who openly hate a franchise's source material put in charge of writing for that franchise? This is what killed Witcher, the Silmarillion, Marvel, and now it's killed Star Wars, just to name a few. As an author, I find this as a very big problem. Stealing someone's life's work and twisting it to fit your own agenda and make you money is a horrible thing to do. Not respecting source material shows a lack of integrity, and it's crazy that its become socially acceptable.
Star Wars is dead, and if you like it and are defending it at this point, then you are clearly nothing more than a mindless consumer sheep, and this problem keeps happening because of YOU.
Let's stop this culture war and get back to respecting source material, and valuing good escapism and immersive storytelling.
Disney must pay Spotify a lot of money for the No negativity treatment
Vocal fry… hard to watch and listen when they keep using it has a crutch
Joanna’s glasses are fantastic.