Hi Craig. My starting principles for my model railway are: 1) Every model railway is a fantasy, even the most faithful representations of the real thing (e.g. ‘Bournemouth West’), so embrace the opportunities for imagination; 2) Prevent future boredom and disinterest by making my layout as stylistically flexible as possible. So my loco fleet flexes between old and new eras, Teesside and Gloucestershire themes, OO, HO and 009. I’ll run whatever my mood takes me on the day. 3) Whatever it looks like, it is still a railway, so don’t compromise on railway operational practice. Britain’s railways observe left hand running, not right hand, and single line or wrong road working practice and procedures are now rarer than hen’s teeth.
I've based my shunting layout off a design from Budget Model railways but as most of my stock is steam era I'm going for an early/late steam and early green diesel look (30s to 60s pretty much) and it's not exhibition level of detailing/modelling but I'm happy with it so far for my first proper layout.
I get it. Perhaps from a different perspective I frequently find myself feeling unvalidated in the hobby but because I dont have dcc, dont own any accurascale, have no lasercut or 3d printed items as theu are financially prohibitive. I also happen to be very happy with the standards of model railway items from 20 years ago. A poor dinosaur who doesnt belong possibly? In short, anyone can feel a little dismissed and unvalidated for a range of reasons. Also, yes, if I was to follow my true nostalgia for railways i would model the llangollen railway 1986!!
I mentioned, a couple of weeks ago, about my baseboards which were put away ‘for now…’ For some time I’ve considered a preserved railway as being the ideal ‘rule 1’ layout, my main proviso being that everything on there would be something found in preservation (exact liveries/numbers not being essential, as they seem to get changed for no apparent reason!) Incorporating a small terminus on the ‘real’ railway (I’ve got a couple of DMUs to use…) and not needing a station or a lot of of running space 🙂 Thanks Craig - you may just have given things the nudge they needed!
you are spot on. I model my railway memories, and that is memories so most of the modelling is very selective but generally follow some rules of how railways functions. But it only has to be good enough. Selective compression which means shorter railway platforms, smaller industries but weathering and so forth can be done using photos. Now when putting plaster on a layout i would advise you to mix some pigment, black, into the plaster when mixing it in a jar. that way you won't have to fill in all the white cracks and spots when the plaster has dried. Anyway great looking layout and love your comments !
Thanks for another great video Craig. I have great memories of Neville Hill from travelling for Garforth to Leeds and back through the 70's, 80's and 90's. I always looked up from my book or magazine to see what was on Shed that day and it's influenced my version of the hobby ever since. We should always remember that the hobby belongs to everyone, the child with a simple loop in their bedroom (we were all there once), the person with their Dr Who layout or Steam Punk. The ultra-realistic Skipton station, or someone like me who just models their own version of reality. It's our time and our money, we can do what we like and enjoy and we all have a place in the hobby. Just a quick example of something that happened to me in a model shop, that I won't name. I was buying something and the owner came up to me and asked what I was modelling, I told him I was just starting, he said I bet you have a Flying Scotsman, I said yes (had it for many years) and he said what's the point, turned and walked away. I was furious and haven't been back since, this is the sort of attitude that will affect the hobby and also stop people going to his shop, the very thing we are all trying to make sure survives. P.S. I love that you use the word BECK... I use it and my kids look at me like I'm an alien.
Everyone has different tastes and thats why its a comprehensive all inclusive hobby .I get more fun building a model railway and in particular scenery work rather than operation of a layout . RULE 1,I dont see as a cop out but rather a defence against rivet counters who IMHO need to get a life . Its all about enjoyment and that is my Rule 1 .
Enjoying it, is the whole point of doing it. I shared a video to some friends, they expected a country line winding thru a station. Not a terminus station and a couple of engine sheds with a fiddle yard. They were amazed at my model world. And the fact I built it, including my trees.... I always support rule 1. My layout....
Who cares what anyone else thinks? I get loads of satisfaction from my efforts. A Freelance (Rule 1 on steroids) three foot gauge line somewhere in the Midlands sometime in the 1950s. Couldnt give a toss what anyone thinks.
Cracking video buddy! I think you are a cracking modeller, I've used your old videos as reference for my own modelling many times. The really exceptional modellers often seem unobtainable if you know what I mean? And trying to follow them can be quite de-motivating. People like yourself make things a lot more digestible and 'real life'!!
Interestingly you've revisited almost exactly what was being considered 60 years ago, mainly on the cuff of the mass beecing cuts, when awareness of preservation was coming to the forefront, and modelling followed form. The advent of generally available historic models (e.g the triang rocket and lord of the isles) also provided impetus. I could add that those great model railways - THE model railways: Buckingham branch, gorre & daphetid, the V & O, the Sherwood branch and that most glorious: delta lines all were of a semi-fictitious nature, but operated on a real railway basis. A model railway from the early twenties, quite unfashionable in modern idiom, yet was all correctly interlocked signalling, and the owner could run correctly from the Paddington timetable You refer to rule 1 being a cop out? Interestingly communications those years ago many considered modelling a preserved railway as being a cop out. People have different views and definitions as to what is a model railway, what is awkward is when they push their views as being the only proper way...
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You eating what looked like a pasty in the bachground while Jenny was doing the live feed at the show this weekend was comedy gold, I am sure you did it on purpoose as you did some cheeky looks to camera!
This is, for me, the joy of railway modelling. My layout, my rules...mine is a BR Blue one, in the 80`s with a bit of steam heritage when I want to run them. My latest model is a scratch built PCV, in N, no real place on my layout being electric but I like the modelling. My stock is weathered, because I like it not bothered if I run fitted/unfitted blah blah stuff together
In my humble opinion, there are two groups within this hobby. Railroad modelers and Model railroaders. Model railroaders are those that build layouts to primarily run trains to a high level of authenticity. Railrod modelers are those that are more focused on the accuracy to the detail of the layout and the sceneray along with the basic function of the layout. Both of these categories are valid under the general 'Model Train' hobby.
Valid perspective Craig. I am sure you speak for the healthy majority and you heritage take fits so well. Nostalgia is such old news!😜 will miss you at the NEC this weekend, but I may trek to Leigh if the moons align! Still not sure about the shades indoors😎
Spot on, Craig. What you saw at 1102.5 on the 39th of Feb isn't what the guy (or gal) standing next to you at the same time - saw. And if you spend enough time just watching, either in person at your favourite spot, on one of the many CCTV cameras that now abound - or on the tube that others have recorded - you can see all kinds of weird and sometimes amusing combinations of things, such as the triple-headed 66's towing one flat car that paused at your station while the crew went to the'little-boy's' room and the cafe for a cuppa - or an East Coast liveried train of some description on the West coast - because there were diversions in place due to engineering work, etc - or simply because a loco had been 'borrowed' to fill in a traction gap due to technical or weather-related difficulties. There is even a vid showing (if I recall) three trains hauled by 66's, all nose-to tail on the same section, because they were engineer's trains moving rails, sleepers, and ballast. - When it comes to deciding on how and where to lay your track - a good starting point is real life - and that is where it usually goes wrong. A 'real' railway is either a long thin thing in the middle of nowhere, or a sprawling array of sidings and sheds that occupies a vast amount of space, neither of which can be accurately represented on a flat 6' x 1.5' plank in a corner. So what you have to do is create a representation - and a good place to start is an old map! That shows where the line went and what was around it - that gives it a purpose. (Trains have to be going somewhere!) Another good reference, to give you a guide, is a book titled Track Atlas of Mainland Britain (assuming you are modelling the UK!) - for the more modern images, or if you want older - Pre-Grouping Atlas and RCH junction diagrams. Yes, to buy new, they're expensive, but haunt your local 2nd hand bookstalls or even the boxes on the floor at a show of some form! Find a plan that suits your ideal, adjust it to fit your space, and see if the bare track works for what you want to do, before you add ballast and scenery. (It is easier to alter it or change your mind)
Spot-fuckin-on mate, I'm modeling OO9 Thomas & Friends Narrow Gauge for a similar reason as you're doing your preserved railway! Looking forward to seeing more from your work!
Craig, great video. I personally don’t follow any ‘rules’ my layout is a large scenic layout, my inspiration is my grandmother’s house which was very old and knocked down years ago; there was no plumbing in the house and walls were really old stone. As a child this was the most fabulous place. There was no railway anywhere near where this was but I have built one and a station in a place that never existed. I will run any type of train but my preference is steam. I think you underestimate your ability in scenery work, I would love to have even an inch of your ability in weathering
Great video Craig, and spot on. With me it’s all about nostalgia. I’ve dreamed for decades of recreating a small southern region station on the Sidmouth branch in Devon. Ottery st Mary is a small station with a passing loop and 3 sidings. But I remember it when it was open, andhave spent years collecting track and building suitable stock for it, but rule 1 still applies on some engines that will appear on it from time to time. Even though I’m trying as much as possible to be “prototypical”, it’s still all about fun.
Not a railway modler yet because i havent started yet. One of the ideas that probably won't happen is a seaside steam layout with the gwr loco "bouncy castle".
Also to add to the preserved layout idea. You can add test trains to the list of items seen on preserved railways. On the Severn Valley Railway its not uncommon to see a mainline steam locomotive hauling its support coach and a rake of various livery MK3's doing load testing. Also other items that have been seen are a million pound precise weed killing train and HST storage.
I once had D1062 western courier for haulage on the Severn valley one diesel gala pulling the prototype HST mk3 set!!! I think a preserved railway is a fantastic idea if you don’t want to limit yourself to what stock you want to buy. I’m doing a TMD based loosely around the year 2000 as that’s the era I remember when the 56s were being fazed out and I went out to make an effort to photograph them before they went. Mines set track points but I couldn’t care less as it’s only 8x1 ft and I’m moving house shortly so it’s something to do that will hopefully fit somewhere in my new home.
Hello, Craig. A great video and grand discussion. Good thoughts and ideas spur others. This does so. In the end, terms like "proper" are meaningless, anyhow. It is like language and "proper English" or "proper German." Language is fluid, and what was proper 25 years ago is no longer proper, and what is proper today will be different from what is proper in years to come. The same with words and customs, clothing... everything. As you said, it is all about enjoyment. I like the fun aspects and the folks having fun. While, I would not say "Rule One is a cop out," I see your point, too. I think of it as a justification. Some folks are very centered on era and location, as you pointed out. Then folks like me, who are very late into the hobby in life with no prior experiences, so I would not even know what "proper" is. As in so many things, there is too much judgment and "right vs. wrong," whereas I am more of a "fly your freak flag proudly." The hobby and the world are big enough to accommodate everyone. As the old song from Rocky Nelson says, "you can't please everyone; so, you got to please yourself." Cheers on some great thoughts which spurred some of my own thoughts.
I’m in the process of planning a layout. I’m going down the heritage route because I have a fair amount of steam locomotives and a few modern types. The advantage for me is that you can have old and new buildings and vehicles etc. It’s a no brainer for me.
@@ianturvey3894 spot on mate, why not make it real too?😁😁 Enjoy! I suppose if you think on it enough, all model railways are technically preserved railways anyway!
Hmmm, nostalgia bubble? Mine isn't to do with my train spotting days, that was late 1970's blue/grey and dirt, copious amounts of dirt! As much as I enjoyed it my modelling was never inspired by it. Living in London I had all the major termini to visit, plus depots and yards and they were a great adventure. However my nostalgia bubble starts on holidays in north Cornwall and north Devon, the late 1960's exploring the then newly abandoned stations on the Padstow and Ilfracombe lines, or seeing my dad off on a train at Bodmin Road or the last year of trains at Braunton (he always had to leave on a Thursday to start back at work Friday). These are the areas I want to model, but I have no memory of their operations. My new layout will be made to look like these areas, sometime just before WW2, but my stock will be representative of any time from Edwardian era to late sixties, depending on what era I wany to run that day.
Hi Craig. Don't know how you can say rule 1 aren't proper modelers. It what gives you enjoyment in this hobby. Rule 1 allows you to experience all what's on the market. People like yourself who try to dictate what we should or shouldn't do aren't helping the hobby at all. I love the authentic modelers as I do rule 1. What ever gives you pleasure in this hobby that's the important bit. ....Pete....
@@delphjunction1168 did you watch the video? Because based on this reply, I don't think you did... And if you did, I feel you've missed the point entirely.
I got caught up in the "is my layout good enough" but its a glorified trainset I've got loads of stuff due to being given it by a family member who passed away but my model skills and patience is not good so I go my own way it's my layout ,I do like to see the layouts with all the scenery etc but I see it in the end as a toy to be played with and enjoyed and kno one has any right to tell you it's not good enough it doesn't matter as long as you get enjoyment out of it , there's more important things to worry about in life .
For me being an old fogey I want to create what was local to me and it means a lot to me but no one else and as far as Im concerned its do what floats your boat. All you can do is your best but its the pleasure more than anything else so just do your thing because it all boils down to what makes you happy 🙂🙂🙂
Bring my experience from exhibiting 1/6th scale model tanks, the times I’ve heard that’s the wrong shade of colour, the tanks never looked like that, etc etc etc….. there’s no photograph showing that blah blah blah… rivetcounters…. You model what you remember or see in real life or photos. But remember a photo is only as good as the moment it was taken, who’s to say if that scene will/did happen again or whether the loco, wagon or other vehicle looks the same again and not everything is photographed.Model the scene as it makes you happy, if that’s hyper-realistic or drop and play if you’re happy with it then that’s good enough. Remember the real world is not perfect and anything can happen, maybe your model should be similar. Great video again Craig.
A couple of small trees - hawthorn style would help to break up the foliage line to the left of the house perhaps? You always see hawthorn on rough ground
My plan, when I eventually get round to it, is to run the layout as "nowish", with heritage lines running at weekends. That way, I'm not limited to the buildings or vehicles I can run, as I really don't like being limited, but I can run anything I want.
85 here haha I'm older then you, haha. My grandad was a big part of it for me. The Hornby railway country local set was actually my dad's though. Driving in the car when I was a kid I saw a class 37 along what is now the luton - dunstable busway. That where my love of the class 37 comes from.
My layout is "fauxtotypical"...it is a fictional section of a line that actually existed in 1938. That gives me creativity but within the constraints of the time and region, which gives it authenticity.
Nice one Craig, and no it wasn’t a rant. The hobby is a broad church of what each individual wants from their efforts and nobody is wrong in their representation. I think you are right in the preserved railway ideology that you can have steam, green diesels, br blue or any of the more modern colour schemes making the layout not era specific as such, but is will be era specific to the latest livery or loco you run. But I agree it broadens what you can run. Richard at New Junction has done so perfectly being able to run his heritage line alongside his take on the East Coast main line with HSTs, 91s, Azumas and freight trains (which appears mor and more to be look what Accurascale has released this week !. Ok why not a shameless plug.) So especially when being confined to a smaller space it gives you so much more scope of what you can do and run. Your second point was nostalgia and you can call it that but it was a point in life where we fell in love with railways and trains. I was born in Eastleigh a railway town with 3 generations of my peers in the industry including both parents, but I was brought up in east Anglia. Do Bachman 4 car southern stock look like realistic models yes !, but they don’t do it for me so we choose which nostalgia we prefer sometimes. And finally in this war and peace epic….. I’ve never thought your ballasting looked like….what did you call it ? Dog sick? 😂… not everyone can be the prototypical artist. Certainly not me. Don’t judge your efforts compared to what you see on TH-cam. We all do everything to the best of our abilities and there are going to be those who maybe able to do something’s better than us. That’s a fact of life. If I’m happy with a diorama of a small size I don’t care if it’s of the same quality of my favorite TH-camrs if my skill set isn’t to their standard. Keep on modeling and I will keep watching buddy!.
Interesting comments Craig. I also model a freelance heritage railway (currently dismantled due to house move..), and I'm afraid, rule 1 still rules! If I want a black class 20, I'll paint one; if I want a freelance J94 Austerity, I'll have one. Real heritage railways have been doing fictitious paint jobs for years (Intercity or Loadhaul 50's, B1 Mayflower in LNER green, to name 3), so why can't I? I want to run my own railway, not an exact copy of a real one. Yes, I strive to make it as plausible as I can, but if no one else agrees with me- tough. Rant over, take care and follow your own path...
To anybody who says heritage railways "aren't real modelling!" The KWVR has been running for 50+ years, so it's as historic as Bolton at 11am on a wet Wednesday in 1967....
Interesting video Craig. Loved the method for doing thr hard standing. I used ratio plasticard to do mine but im in two minds about it. Doesn't look right with my modern diesels. I may change it or might just leave it, too many other things to do on thr layout. Dont forget you can meet Craig on December 9th 6pm to 9pm at Sawyer Models model shop in Leigh..
@@hamshackleton Jenny will be live streaming from the shop. She's mentioned it several times over the past two Monday club streams. It was Jenny's idea as well.
1: for me, a model layout is something that you create from scratch and as every detail is not always readily available and so compromises must be made.
I model modern image, but my dilemma is that I collect models from what is referred to as era 8 right through to era 11. As such I need a layout that one week could be set in say the 1990's and then next week maybe present day 2024. My kids like watching the trains go by, and I do like to run prototypical length trains. This requires a lot of space and expense in modern image. My foucus going forward is on modelling scenery and builds and one of my daughters is keen to get involved with this side. I am no club level modeller and don't need this to look perfect. Just needs to look reasonably realistic.
Any model is a representation of the real thing, not a perfect miniature replica. It is the impression that is important. In my experience dead accurate models of a real line can be very boring because there is so little on them. Models which are unashamedly silly - treacle mine narrow gauge railway, for example, display the greatest levels of skill and ingenuity on the part of the creator.
Model railway is such a diverse word as the word flower for instance, is it colorful , is it small, is it rare, maybe you don't like Roses, but prefer Daisies ect.. And in the end it's about intrest, passion, skills you have, where you lose yourself in, what can you afford, otherwise you wouldn't even start building a layout. As an observer you automatically favor the layouts that is closes to your field of intrest, that's normal. Does model mean that it really has to exist or not? Then my answer would be, is a SiFi book a book, it never happend, but stil it's a book. And for the observer if it's not your thing, just walk away , look at the model railway that melts your hart, but keep your downgrading opinion on other peoples dreams to your self, nobody asked for that, just be happy for him or her that they found the the thing that brings them joy. If asked what you think of it, you always could say "it's not my field of intrest, but I glad you found yours", that's expectable, saying it's rubbish that's just being rude and cruel. If asked how you would do it, than an opinion could be given that reflex on you with respect to other man's work, consider it as a word of advice. Let the person be happy in his fantasy world, and share the joy of model railroading…
Fantastic video. But you avoided the biggest of all controversial modelling subjects...... Thomas the tank engine and Friends lol. I've mainly modelled Thomas layouts and always get those who say why U bothering with that? Or it's not a proper railway. One time my model railway club wanted me to sell my entire Thomas collection and build a modern image layout and buy the stock for the club to use, exhibit and own. I was 14 and said no. Was told I needed to sell it all as Thomas wasn't allowed and that I shouldn't have an interest in steam as I'm not old enough remember it. There is a massive van of worms when it comes to Thomas layouts but for those who do put effort in and research find out that the Rev Awdry followed exact railway prototype rules and running, had several of his own model railways using Thomas and ran to prototype. But it's one of those people see the face on a loco and laugh or scoff at the modellers. I lost track of how many times I've put or seen thomas layouts run with Thomas then 30 mins later all the face stuff is fine and it's "proper" engine's and people think it's an entirely different layout. But at the end of the day it's not about rule 1 or what's remembered it should be about what you as that person building or modelling likes, not what others want you to have. It's your vision on your journey. Simples
Modelling is modelling full stop. The quality of modelling generally gets better with practice and experience. If everyone liked the same thing, the hobby would be boring, it's the variety and different approaches to things that make it interesting. Everyone models for pleasure and if that means "Rule 1" to you that's fine, modelling to "true scale" is fine too if that is what floats your boat. The main point is that you can have an excellent, high quality layout that is totally fictitious that is as good as any "true scale" prototypical layout. At an exhibition the public want to see things moving, if something is moving they generally stay a while and take in the scenery. Those where you have to wait 20 minutes for something to move because it's running to a real timetable wonder why the public don't hang around and move on.
Born in 86? That’s quite shocking. You young whippersnapper. I’ve got 22 years on you. But you are the one who sounds old. Having said that, that video was not really a whinge. So good to listen to
Great topic Craig. I do think we overthink the hobby. To me the nostalgia bubble is king, my prefered time scale is the mid to late 80s I know it is recapturing my youth, but that's the point for me you would not model something you had no interest in wheres the fun it that! Keep smiling.
@@craigcodling481 exactly mate, exactly the point I'm trying to make here - for me it was heritage stuff, for you it was late 80s - both are valid, both are interesting to model, and have their own challenges too! Cheers! :)
i also play historic tabletop battles along with building a layout for me historic accuracy is simple copy cat modelling while rule 1 or fantasy war gaming i,e say warhammer takes far more imagination to achieve desired result .
Hi Craig. You're actually supporting Rule 1: for some, it means modelling prototypically 100%. For others, it's having a tail-chaser with a class 66 hauling private owner coal wagons. Your choice of modelling a heritage railway is as valid as either of these approaches, and everything in between. To be honest, I think modelling a heritage railway is a genius idea, because for them, making do with whatever they have to hand is prototypical. And whilst on the subject, even in the "real" world of railways, "prototypical" means nothing: the only thing that matters is getting the trains running reliably and on time, by any permissable means necessary. For example, the other day, Les Gilpin posted a video of a class 66 hauling a couple of bogie flat wagons dating back to the steam era of the 1950s. So, prior to seeing this, such a consist would have been viewed by the purists as "non-prototyoical", and an abuse of Rule 1. But now these wagons have been spotted on the "real" railway, the consist has to be viewed as prototypical. One can be driven mad by such things! Finally, just hold onto the fact that the vast majority of layouts are never shared on YT, so you're comparing yourself against a very small percentage of the nation's - and world's - layouts. Compared to the layouts of us non-YT modellers, your efforts are in the Premier League.
If you believe your modelling today is better than your modelling yesterday, then that's all what really matters. Rule 1 isn't a cop out at all. An excuse for those that wish remain stagnant or never improve perhaps, but never a cop out.
Are we not related? 😁! My layout is a working heritage railway.....lancashire and yorkshire themed from late 70s to early 90s inspired from a combination of my memories spotting around the North west and regular weekend visits to the east Lancashire railway. 😁
I see myself as ambitious but rubbish.but its not about perfection its the journey not the destination in modelling for me.the enjoyment is more important than the outcome .can start over and we all improve with practice.
Interesting video content but ever since you have started wearing the sunnies your camera light reflects in your glasses and everytime you look at the camera it looks like you got robot eyes which are very distracting and irritating to the point where I can not look at the video and only listen to you. I don't mean to be critical but maybe have a look at the video and see what I mean.
Hi Craig. My starting principles for my model railway are:
1) Every model railway is a fantasy, even the most faithful representations of the real thing (e.g. ‘Bournemouth West’), so embrace the opportunities for imagination;
2) Prevent future boredom and disinterest by making my layout as stylistically flexible as possible. So my loco fleet flexes between old and new eras, Teesside and Gloucestershire themes, OO, HO and 009. I’ll run whatever my mood takes me on the day.
3) Whatever it looks like, it is still a railway, so don’t compromise on railway operational practice. Britain’s railways observe left hand running, not right hand, and single line or wrong road working practice and procedures are now rarer than hen’s teeth.
@@Teesbrough yes, agree fully - it has to be fun to operate!
I've based my shunting layout off a design from Budget Model railways but as most of my stock is steam era I'm going for an early/late steam and early green diesel look (30s to 60s pretty much) and it's not exhibition level of detailing/modelling but I'm happy with it so far for my first proper layout.
I get it. Perhaps from a different perspective I frequently find myself feeling unvalidated in the hobby but because I dont have dcc, dont own any accurascale, have no lasercut or 3d printed items as theu are financially prohibitive. I also happen to be very happy with the standards of model railway items from 20 years ago. A poor dinosaur who doesnt belong possibly? In short, anyone can feel a little dismissed and unvalidated for a range of reasons. Also, yes, if I was to follow my true nostalgia for railways i would model the llangollen railway 1986!!
@@templefield I do like newer models to be fair 😂
I mentioned, a couple of weeks ago, about my baseboards which were put away ‘for now…’
For some time I’ve considered a preserved railway as being the ideal ‘rule 1’ layout, my main proviso being that everything on there would be something found in preservation (exact liveries/numbers not being essential, as they seem to get changed for no apparent reason!)
Incorporating a small terminus on the ‘real’ railway (I’ve got a couple of DMUs to use…) and not needing a station or a lot of of running space 🙂
Thanks Craig - you may just have given things the nudge they needed!
you are spot on. I model my railway memories, and that is memories so most of the modelling is very selective but generally follow some rules of how railways functions. But it only has to be good enough. Selective compression which means shorter railway platforms, smaller industries but weathering and so forth can be done using photos. Now when putting plaster on a layout i would advise you to mix some pigment, black, into the plaster when mixing it in a jar. that way you won't have to fill in all the white cracks and spots when the plaster has dried. Anyway great looking layout and love your comments !
Thanks for another great video Craig. I have great memories of Neville Hill from travelling for Garforth to Leeds and back through the 70's, 80's and 90's. I always looked up from my book or magazine to see what was on Shed that day and it's influenced my version of the hobby ever since. We should always remember that the hobby belongs to everyone, the child with a simple loop in their bedroom (we were all there once), the person with their Dr Who layout or Steam Punk. The ultra-realistic Skipton station, or someone like me who just models their own version of reality. It's our time and our money, we can do what we like and enjoy and we all have a place in the hobby.
Just a quick example of something that happened to me in a model shop, that I won't name. I was buying something and the owner came up to me and asked what I was modelling, I told him I was just starting, he said I bet you have a Flying Scotsman, I said yes (had it for many years) and he said what's the point, turned and walked away. I was furious and haven't been back since, this is the sort of attitude that will affect the hobby and also stop people going to his shop, the very thing we are all trying to make sure survives.
P.S. I love that you use the word BECK... I use it and my kids look at me like I'm an alien.
@@maindip it's a beck!❤️😂 Love it mate, you take care and thanks for sharing! Good old 'hill!
Everyone has different tastes and thats why its a comprehensive all inclusive hobby .I get more fun building a model railway and in particular scenery work rather than operation of a layout . RULE 1,I dont see as a cop out but rather a defence against rivet counters who IMHO need to get a life . Its all about enjoyment and that is my Rule 1 .
I am not a propeller modeler. I play with toy trains. Not trying to do anything else but that.
Thanks Craig, love your straightforward approach to modelling. Hope to see you at the NEC.
@@trevorbellTT120 I'll be there buddy;❤️
Enjoying it, is the whole point of doing it. I shared a video to some friends, they expected a country line winding thru a station. Not a terminus station and a couple of engine sheds with a fiddle yard. They were amazed at my model world. And the fact I built it, including my trees.... I always support rule 1. My layout....
Who cares what anyone else thinks? I get loads of satisfaction from my efforts. A Freelance (Rule 1 on steroids) three foot gauge line somewhere in the Midlands sometime in the 1950s. Couldnt give a toss what anyone thinks.
Cracking video buddy! I think you are a cracking modeller, I've used your old videos as reference for my own modelling many times. The really exceptional modellers often seem unobtainable if you know what I mean? And trying to follow them can be quite de-motivating. People like yourself make things a lot more digestible and 'real life'!!
@@colinoldham7947 thanks Colin, I'm glad I've managed to help at some stage ☺️
Interestingly you've revisited almost exactly what was being considered 60 years ago, mainly on the cuff of the mass beecing cuts, when awareness of preservation was coming to the forefront, and modelling followed form.
The advent of generally available historic models (e.g the triang rocket and lord of the isles) also provided impetus.
I could add that those great model railways - THE model railways: Buckingham branch, gorre & daphetid, the V & O, the Sherwood branch and that most glorious: delta lines all were of a semi-fictitious nature, but operated on a real railway basis.
A model railway from the early twenties, quite unfashionable in modern idiom, yet was all correctly interlocked signalling, and the owner could run correctly from the Paddington timetable
You refer to rule 1 being a cop out? Interestingly communications those years ago many considered modelling a preserved railway as being a cop out.
People have different views and definitions as to what is a model railway, what is awkward is when they push their views as being the only proper way...
You eating what looked like a pasty in the bachground while Jenny was doing the live feed at the show this weekend was comedy gold, I am sure you did it on purpoose as you did some cheeky looks to camera!
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This is, for me, the joy of railway modelling. My layout, my rules...mine is a BR Blue one, in the 80`s with a bit of steam heritage when I want to run them. My latest model is a scratch built PCV, in N, no real place on my layout being electric but I like the modelling. My stock is weathered, because I like it not bothered if I run fitted/unfitted blah blah stuff together
In my humble opinion, there are two groups within this hobby. Railroad modelers and Model railroaders. Model railroaders are those that build layouts to primarily run trains to a high level of authenticity. Railrod modelers are those that are more focused on the accuracy to the detail of the layout and the sceneray along with the basic function of the layout. Both of these categories are valid under the general 'Model Train' hobby.
Hi Craig another awesome video, if you are around Sunday afternoon I will see you there all the best Tom
@@oswestryroadtmd4850 I'm there all weekend buddy, catch me 2pm.at jenny's layout!😊
Valid perspective Craig. I am sure you speak for the healthy majority and you heritage take fits so well. Nostalgia is such old news!😜 will miss you at the NEC this weekend, but I may trek to Leigh if the moons align! Still not sure about the shades indoors😎
@@andydavidson9440 it's a style choice 🤣😎😎 my lighting is actually quite bright, and genuinely it helps with the light sensitivity
Wise move then Craig!
Spot on, Craig. What you saw at 1102.5 on the 39th of Feb isn't what the guy (or gal) standing next to you at the same time - saw. And if you spend enough time just watching, either in person at your favourite spot, on one of the many CCTV cameras that now abound - or on the tube that others have recorded - you can see all kinds of weird and sometimes amusing combinations of things, such as the triple-headed 66's towing one flat car that paused at your station while the crew went to the'little-boy's' room and the cafe for a cuppa - or an East Coast liveried train of some description on the West coast - because there were diversions in place due to engineering work, etc - or simply because a loco had been 'borrowed' to fill in a traction gap due to technical or weather-related difficulties.
There is even a vid showing (if I recall) three trains hauled by 66's, all nose-to tail on the same section, because they were engineer's trains moving rails, sleepers, and ballast.
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When it comes to deciding on how and where to lay your track - a good starting point is real life - and that is where it usually goes wrong. A 'real' railway is either a long thin thing in the middle of nowhere, or a sprawling array of sidings and sheds that occupies a vast amount of space, neither of which can be accurately represented on a flat 6' x 1.5' plank in a corner. So what you have to do is create a representation - and a good place to start is an old map! That shows where the line went and what was around it - that gives it a purpose. (Trains have to be going somewhere!)
Another good reference, to give you a guide, is a book titled Track Atlas of Mainland Britain (assuming you are modelling the UK!) - for the more modern images, or if you want older - Pre-Grouping Atlas and RCH junction diagrams. Yes, to buy new, they're expensive, but haunt your local 2nd hand bookstalls or even the boxes on the floor at a show of some form! Find a plan that suits your ideal, adjust it to fit your space, and see if the bare track works for what you want to do, before you add ballast and scenery. (It is easier to alter it or change your mind)
Very well put Eric, compression are representation are two key factors that you need to adhere to!
Bottom line .Its a model .Not real. Model what you want based on memories that you remember .Sick of the whingers and sad clowns in the hobby .
Spot-fuckin-on mate, I'm modeling OO9 Thomas & Friends Narrow Gauge for a similar reason as you're doing your preserved railway! Looking forward to seeing more from your work!
Thanks bud, I appreciate it!😁 Gotta love Thomas too!
Eye contact is the corner stone of communication, but glasses look cool 😎.
@@jongmans38 I like my shadesess 🤣
Craig, great video. I personally don’t follow any ‘rules’ my layout is a large scenic layout, my inspiration is my grandmother’s house which was very old and knocked down years ago; there was no plumbing in the house and walls were really old stone. As a child this was the most fabulous place. There was no railway anywhere near where this was but I have built one and a station in a place that never existed. I will run any type of train but my preference is steam. I think you underestimate your ability in scenery work, I would love to have even an inch of your ability in weathering
Weathering is the only thing I'm even half good at 🤣 thank you mate!
Great video Craig, and spot on. With me it’s all about nostalgia. I’ve dreamed for decades of recreating a small southern region station on the Sidmouth branch in Devon. Ottery st Mary is a small station with a passing loop and 3 sidings. But I remember it when it was open, andhave spent years collecting track and building suitable stock for it, but rule 1 still applies on some engines that will appear on it from time to time. Even though I’m trying as much as possible to be “prototypical”, it’s still all about fun.
@@AdrianBartlett-t8z that's the main thing, enjoyment factor - modelling preservation means I can do both 🤣😁
You can call them 'diversions!'
@@IronHorseRailways Absolutely!!
Not a railway modler yet because i havent started yet. One of the ideas that probably won't happen is a seaside steam layout with the gwr loco "bouncy castle".
Also to add to the preserved layout idea. You can add test trains to the list of items seen on preserved railways. On the Severn Valley Railway its not uncommon to see a mainline steam locomotive hauling its support coach and a rake of various livery MK3's doing load testing. Also other items that have been seen are a million pound precise weed killing train and HST storage.
I once had D1062 western courier for haulage on the Severn valley one diesel gala pulling the prototype HST mk3 set!!! I think a preserved railway is a fantastic idea if you don’t want to limit yourself to what stock you want to buy. I’m doing a TMD based loosely around the year 2000 as that’s the era I remember when the 56s were being fazed out and I went out to make an effort to photograph them before they went. Mines set track points but I couldn’t care less as it’s only 8x1 ft and I’m moving house shortly so it’s something to do that will hopefully fit somewhere in my new home.
Hello, Craig. A great video and grand discussion. Good thoughts and ideas spur others. This does so. In the end, terms like "proper" are meaningless, anyhow. It is like language and "proper English" or "proper German." Language is fluid, and what was proper 25 years ago is no longer proper, and what is proper today will be different from what is proper in years to come. The same with words and customs, clothing... everything. As you said, it is all about enjoyment. I like the fun aspects and the folks having fun. While, I would not say "Rule One is a cop out," I see your point, too. I think of it as a justification. Some folks are very centered on era and location, as you pointed out. Then folks like me, who are very late into the hobby in life with no prior experiences, so I would not even know what "proper" is. As in so many things, there is too much judgment and "right vs. wrong," whereas I am more of a "fly your freak flag proudly." The hobby and the world are big enough to accommodate everyone. As the old song from Rocky Nelson says, "you can't please everyone; so, you got to please yourself." Cheers on some great thoughts which spurred some of my own thoughts.
@@ModelTrainOutsider live life to the full, eat the crayons, scream into the darkness 😂❤️
I’m in the process of planning a layout. I’m going down the heritage route because
I have a fair amount of steam locomotives and a few modern types. The advantage for me is that you can have old and new buildings and vehicles etc. It’s a no brainer for me.
@@ianturvey3894 spot on mate, why not make it real too?😁😁 Enjoy!
I suppose if you think on it enough, all model railways are technically preserved railways anyway!
Hmmm, nostalgia bubble?
Mine isn't to do with my train spotting days, that was late 1970's blue/grey and dirt, copious amounts of dirt! As much as I enjoyed it my modelling was never inspired by it. Living in London I had all the major termini to visit, plus depots and yards and they were a great adventure.
However my nostalgia bubble starts on holidays in north Cornwall and north Devon, the late 1960's exploring the then newly abandoned stations on the Padstow and Ilfracombe lines, or seeing my dad off on a train at Bodmin Road or the last year of trains at Braunton (he always had to leave on a Thursday to start back at work Friday).
These are the areas I want to model, but I have no memory of their operations.
My new layout will be made to look like these areas, sometime just before WW2, but my stock will be representative of any time from Edwardian era to late sixties, depending on what era I wany to run that day.
Hi Craig.
Don't know how you can say rule 1 aren't proper modelers. It what gives you enjoyment in this hobby.
Rule 1 allows you to experience all what's on the market.
People like yourself who try to dictate what we should or shouldn't do aren't helping the hobby at all.
I love the authentic modelers as I do rule 1. What ever gives you pleasure in this hobby that's the important bit.
....Pete....
@@delphjunction1168 did you watch the video?
Because based on this reply, I don't think you did...
And if you did, I feel you've missed the point entirely.
I got caught up in the "is my layout good enough" but its a glorified trainset I've got loads of stuff due to being given it by a family member who passed away but my model skills and patience is not good so I go my own way it's my layout ,I do like to see the layouts with all the scenery etc but I see it in the end as a toy to be played with and enjoyed and kno one has any right to tell you it's not good enough it doesn't matter as long as you get enjoyment out of it , there's more important things to worry about in life .
@@grahamshaw9316 glorified train set 🤣 love it!
Of course, you're right - far more important things!
For me being an old fogey I want to create what was local to me and it means a lot to me but no one else and as far as Im concerned its do what floats your boat. All you can do is your best but its the pleasure more than anything else so just do your thing because it all boils down to what makes you happy 🙂🙂🙂
Bring my experience from exhibiting 1/6th scale model tanks, the times I’ve heard that’s the wrong shade of colour, the tanks never looked like that, etc etc etc….. there’s no photograph showing that blah blah blah… rivetcounters…. You model what you remember or see in real life or photos. But remember a photo is only as good as the moment it was taken, who’s to say if that scene will/did happen again or whether the loco, wagon or other vehicle looks the same again and not everything is photographed.Model the scene as it makes you happy, if that’s hyper-realistic or drop and play if you’re happy with it then that’s good enough. Remember the real world is not perfect and anything can happen, maybe your model should be similar. Great video again Craig.
@@Jaherick thanks!❤️❤️
great vlog keep up the great vlogs on channel craig thanks for share
A couple of small trees - hawthorn style would help to break up the foliage line to the left of the house perhaps? You always see hawthorn on rough ground
@@rikmorley6469 oh yes, there's plenty left to do!
Great video
@@MIKELANETT120 glad you enjoyed it Mike
Looks good Craig, there are far too many judgemental people out there. The important thing is you enjoy what you're doing.
I think so mate
My plan, when I eventually get round to it, is to run the layout as "nowish", with heritage lines running at weekends. That way, I'm not limited to the buildings or vehicles I can run, as I really don't like being limited, but I can run anything I want.
@@oopster74 rebel lol
Great video Craig 👍
85 here haha I'm older then you, haha. My grandad was a big part of it for me. The Hornby railway country local set was actually my dad's though. Driving in the car when I was a kid I saw a class 37 along what is now the luton - dunstable busway. That where my love of the class 37 comes from.
@@johnjmc do love the 37s, I need another one, currently only have an old Bachmann 37 - considering a newer tooled one!
@IronHorseRailways I've sold all my bachmann ones now, just got my 14, 15 on the way accurascale 37s
My layout is "fauxtotypical"...it is a fictional section of a line that actually existed in 1938. That gives me creativity but within the constraints of the time and region, which gives it authenticity.
@@wealdhurstmodelrailway9666 oh, I love that term!! Nicking it!😂
@IronHorseRailways 🤣🤣 go for it 😅
Nice one Craig, and no it wasn’t a rant. The hobby is a broad church of what each individual wants from their efforts and nobody is wrong in their representation. I think you are right in the preserved railway ideology that you can have steam, green diesels, br blue or any of the more modern colour schemes making the layout not era specific as such, but is will be era specific to the latest livery or loco you run. But I agree it broadens what you can run. Richard at New Junction has done so perfectly being able to run his heritage line alongside his take on the East Coast main line with HSTs, 91s, Azumas and freight trains (which appears mor and more to be look what Accurascale has released this week !. Ok why not a shameless plug.) So especially when being confined to a smaller space it gives you so much more scope of what you can do and run.
Your second point was nostalgia and you can call it that but it was a point in life where we fell in love with railways and trains. I was born in Eastleigh a railway town with 3 generations of my peers in the industry including both parents, but I was brought up in east Anglia. Do Bachman 4 car southern stock look like realistic models yes !, but they don’t do it for me so we choose which nostalgia we prefer sometimes.
And finally in this war and peace epic….. I’ve never thought your ballasting looked like….what did you call it ? Dog sick? 😂… not everyone can be the prototypical artist. Certainly not me. Don’t judge your efforts compared to what you see on TH-cam. We all do everything to the best of our abilities and there are going to be those who maybe able to do something’s better than us. That’s a fact of life. If I’m happy with a diorama of a small size I don’t care if it’s of the same quality of my favorite TH-camrs if my skill set isn’t to their standard.
Keep on modeling and I will keep watching buddy!.
Thanks Lau! 😊 Enjoy the dog sick!😊🤣
Fantastic video
@@mels1811 thanks mate!
Interesting comments Craig. I also model a freelance heritage railway (currently dismantled due to house move..), and I'm afraid, rule 1 still rules! If I want a black class 20, I'll paint one; if I want a freelance J94 Austerity, I'll have one. Real heritage railways have been doing fictitious paint jobs for years (Intercity or Loadhaul 50's, B1 Mayflower in LNER green, to name 3), so why can't I? I want to run my own railway, not an exact copy of a real one. Yes, I strive to make it as plausible as I can, but if no one else agrees with me- tough. Rant over, take care and follow your own path...
Great to know others out there accepting the ethos of heritage as a genuine valid way to model!
To anybody who says heritage railways "aren't real modelling!" The KWVR has been running for 50+ years, so it's as historic as Bolton at 11am on a wet Wednesday in 1967....
@vickielawless even more so!🤣
Interesting video Craig. Loved the method for doing thr hard standing. I used ratio plasticard to do mine but im in two minds about it. Doesn't look right with my modern diesels. I may change it or might just leave it, too many other things to do on thr layout. Dont forget you can meet Craig on December 9th 6pm to 9pm at Sawyer Models model shop in Leigh..
@@andyfriarsjunc you can and will!
Dec 9th is a Monday! Jenny will be sulking, unless she runs the show from the shop!
@@hamshackleton err. Yeah she is mate, that's the whole point 😂
@@hamshackleton Jenny will be live streaming from the shop. She's mentioned it several times over the past two Monday club streams. It was Jenny's idea as well.
@@IronHorseRailways If it was mentioned last night, I missed it!
1: for me, a model layout is something that you create from scratch and as every detail is not always readily available and so compromises must be made.
@@Xantec spot on mate, Compression, deletion, I think capturing the mood of a scene is just as if not more important than a perfect recreation
@@IronHorseRailways yep. just look at Everard junction, captures the 1980s perfectly of somewhere in the NSE area. yet its totally fictive.
Well, I'm quite happy not being a real modeller !
I model modern image, but my dilemma is that I collect models from what is referred to as era 8 right through to era 11. As such I need a layout that one week could be set in say the 1990's and then next week maybe present day 2024. My kids like watching the trains go by, and I do like to run prototypical length trains. This requires a lot of space and expense in modern image. My foucus going forward is on modelling scenery and builds and one of my daughters is keen to get involved with this side. I am no club level modeller and don't need this to look perfect. Just needs to look reasonably realistic.
Any model is a representation of the real thing, not a perfect miniature replica. It is the impression that is important. In my experience dead accurate models of a real line can be very boring because there is so little on them. Models which are unashamedly silly - treacle mine narrow gauge railway, for example, display the greatest levels of skill and ingenuity on the part of the creator.
Model railway is such a diverse word as the word flower for instance, is it colorful , is it small, is it rare, maybe you don't like Roses, but prefer Daisies ect..
And in the end it's about intrest, passion, skills you have, where you lose yourself in, what can you afford, otherwise you wouldn't even start building a layout.
As an observer you automatically favor the layouts that is closes to your field of intrest, that's normal.
Does model mean that it really has to exist or not?
Then my answer would be, is a SiFi book a book, it never happend, but stil it's a book.
And for the observer if it's not your thing, just walk away , look at the model railway that melts your hart, but keep your downgrading opinion on other peoples dreams to your self, nobody asked for that, just be happy for him or her that they found the the thing that brings them joy.
If asked what you think of it, you always could say "it's not my field of intrest, but I glad you found yours", that's expectable, saying it's rubbish that's just being rude and cruel.
If asked how you would do it, than an opinion could be given that reflex on you with respect to other man's work, consider it as a word of advice.
Let the person be happy in his fantasy world, and share the joy of model railroading…
Fantastic video. But you avoided the biggest of all controversial modelling subjects...... Thomas the tank engine and Friends lol. I've mainly modelled Thomas layouts and always get those who say why U bothering with that? Or it's not a proper railway. One time my model railway club wanted me to sell my entire Thomas collection and build a modern image layout and buy the stock for the club to use, exhibit and own. I was 14 and said no. Was told I needed to sell it all as Thomas wasn't allowed and that I shouldn't have an interest in steam as I'm not old enough remember it. There is a massive van of worms when it comes to Thomas layouts but for those who do put effort in and research find out that the Rev Awdry followed exact railway prototype rules and running, had several of his own model railways using Thomas and ran to prototype. But it's one of those people see the face on a loco and laugh or scoff at the modellers. I lost track of how many times I've put or seen thomas layouts run with Thomas then 30 mins later all the face stuff is fine and it's "proper" engine's and people think it's an entirely different layout. But at the end of the day it's not about rule 1 or what's remembered it should be about what you as that person building or modelling likes, not what others want you to have. It's your vision on your journey. Simples
@@sodor_dan-da-man Thomas and friends ❤️🤣
Modelling is modelling full stop. The quality of modelling generally gets better with practice and experience. If everyone liked the same thing, the hobby would be boring, it's the variety and different approaches to things that make it interesting. Everyone models for pleasure and if that means "Rule 1" to you that's fine, modelling to "true scale" is fine too if that is what floats your boat. The main point is that you can have an excellent, high quality layout that is totally fictitious that is as good as any "true scale" prototypical layout.
At an exhibition the public want to see things moving, if something is moving they generally stay a while and take in the scenery. Those where you have to wait 20 minutes for something to move because it's running to a real timetable wonder why the public don't hang around and move on.
@@warnz9701 a sped up timetable is preferable for me!
Born in 86? That’s quite shocking. You young whippersnapper. I’ve got 22 years on you. But you are the one who sounds old. Having said that, that video was not really a whinge.
So good to listen to
@@mikeray3993 spring chicken mate - glad you enjoyed it!
@@IronHorseRailways Were you born with your cap on?
Great topic Craig. I do think we overthink the hobby. To me the nostalgia bubble is king, my prefered time scale is the mid to late 80s I know it is recapturing my youth, but that's the point for me you would not model something you had no interest in wheres the fun it that! Keep smiling.
@@craigcodling481 exactly mate, exactly the point I'm trying to make here - for me it was heritage stuff, for you it was late 80s - both are valid, both are interesting to model, and have their own challenges too!
Cheers! :)
i also play historic tabletop battles along with building a layout for me historic accuracy is simple copy cat modelling while rule 1 or fantasy war gaming i,e say warhammer takes far more imagination to achieve desired result .
Great comments😃
Hi Craig. You're actually supporting Rule 1: for some, it means modelling prototypically 100%. For others, it's having a tail-chaser with a class 66 hauling private owner coal wagons.
Your choice of modelling a heritage railway is as valid as either of these approaches, and everything in between. To be honest, I think modelling a heritage railway is a genius idea, because for them, making do with whatever they have to hand is prototypical.
And whilst on the subject, even in the "real" world of railways, "prototypical" means nothing: the only thing that matters is getting the trains running reliably and on time, by any permissable means necessary. For example, the other day, Les Gilpin posted a video of a class 66 hauling a couple of bogie flat wagons dating back to the steam era of the 1950s. So, prior to seeing this, such a consist would have been viewed by the purists as "non-prototyoical", and an abuse of Rule 1. But now these wagons have been spotted on the "real" railway, the consist has to be viewed as prototypical. One can be driven mad by such things!
Finally, just hold onto the fact that the vast majority of layouts are never shared on YT, so you're comparing yourself against a very small percentage of the nation's - and world's - layouts. Compared to the layouts of us non-YT modellers, your efforts are in the Premier League.
@@stephendavies6949 thanks ste! It's appreciated, and of course there's always going to be an exception to the rule :) cheers!
Nice t shirt mate 😂
@@BuggleskellyStation not bad for an eBay job is it??😁
@IronHorseRailways 😂
If you believe your modelling today is better than your modelling yesterday, then that's all what really matters. Rule 1 isn't a cop out at all. An excuse for those that wish remain stagnant or never improve perhaps, but never a cop out.
Are we not related? 😁! My layout is a working heritage railway.....lancashire and yorkshire themed from late 70s to early 90s inspired from a combination of my memories spotting around the North west and regular weekend visits to the east Lancashire railway. 😁
I need to visit the east lancs!
@IronHorseRailways winter diesel gala next event in Feb 2025.......santa special is on now but no more loco events till next year .
Well we have Harry Potter Express and Henry & Gordon on a 1955 ish layout. Sue me.
Validation, it’s a hell of drug.
I see myself as ambitious but rubbish.but its not about perfection its the journey not the destination in modelling for me.the enjoyment is more important than the outcome .can start over and we all improve with practice.
@@presidentxd I've restarted at least 7 times by now 😂
Why the dark glasses.
@@mobius8002 why not?
Interesting video content but ever since you have started wearing the sunnies your camera light reflects in your glasses and everytime you look at the camera it looks like you got robot eyes which are very distracting and irritating to the point where I can not look at the video and only listen to you. I don't mean to be critical but maybe have a look at the video and see what I mean.
I like it 😁🤣
But then again, I've always had a face for radio and a voice for the papers...
@@IronHorseRailways the sunnies are cool but the reflection makes it distracting, that's all 😁👍
Personally I like the effect. I means I’m looking Craig right in the eyes and listening to the dialogue!!
@LiveSteamNick nick gets it 😍
Variety is the spice of life, I run everything together. I'm like Raymond in Rainman. I don't mind. 🚂🚃🚃🚃