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listening to this now I know 1 reason why Paimon is in the Genshin.
remember when Tectone said “Paimon’s there to teach/forced teach you not to pay attention?”.
forced teach to not pay attention in the story and can’t skip make us came into an agreement there’s no point of critical thinking/system 2.
no system 2 = system1 only = more money spend without thinking
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Honestly in my opinion the most predatory thing I have experienced in a gacha game is when if you are not online for a certain amount of time your account gets deleted the very first gacha game I played had that, I played for like 2 plus years but eventually it became a chore so I took a year break from it and they had a rule I believe where if you don’t log in for like 200 or 300 days your account will be deleted. They also had a history of making petty changes to certain things to spite their players. Little fun fact is they actually took some of the devs from that game who are now working on another new game supposedly coming out this year which will be another open world gacha like genshin and wuthering waves
It's weird to call FGO dead since its always on a top 5 or 10 list for most grossing game.
Definitely was unnecessarily left in the video considering this goes through editing especially that it had nothing to do with the point of the video.
Revenue ≠ popularity. Making money in a gambling game does not mean it is highly successful.
Is it doing fine? Sure. The community around it online is INCREDIBLY small and INCREDIBLY niche.
Moreso I mean that not many people care about it, even among Gacha gamers. Which is true.
@@hexjuice as much as I agree revenue isn't the only indicator that equates it's popularity, but I did think it is one of the indicators and factors.
I'm getting confused with some statements made since "we" agree especially gacha(gambling) game companies are not your friends and only want your money and with sadly money being a very powerful material definitely effecting your success, how is it not considered highly successful to make money in a gambling gacha game that has been under fire and proven to go as far as do psychological tactics, which ironically is the topic of this video.
I really don't know where your source is that the community around it is INCREDIBLY small because the game apparently at one point surpassed Fortnite and P.U.B.G. in downloads with a tough estimate of 50m downloads, in Japan (which is known to be the "Daddy" of gacha games because of their culture and amount of revenue they garner alone in comparison to the rest of the world) it's labeled as a very popular game reaching comparable SUCCESS of Pokémon Go, and finally FGO was allegedly the most popular game on Twitter at one point.
As for Revenue FGO launched in 2015 and grossed almost $700m in one year, and a year later it becomes the 6th highest grossing games allegedly worldwide.
And as of now it seem the game has earned $9bilion if you ask me this all sounds like it's both popular and successful so correct me if I'm wrong.
One of the TH-cam channels I subscribe to that does exclusively FGO content has 78k subscribers with a minimum of 10k viewers on each video. While this might seem small I don't think the community is as dead as you would think.
@@lurkersmind6461 indeed many evidence to disprove the statement quote: " The community around it is INCREDIBLY small and INCREDIBLY niche"
Not gonna lie, that emphasized word with all caps just made the statement worse and to put the cherry on top the statement ends with quote: "... not many people care about it even among the Gacha gamers. Which is true."
I don't know what world that is maybe this is exclusively for like the sub reddit for gachagaming maybe there it's an INCREDIBLY small and niche community around it, otherwise I don't see this being physically and statistically true.
Adding context to the FGO discussion. I think its important to say that storytelling in FGO takes a lot of time to get to the peak that it is now. The first five chapters are not really that great, despite having a good character here and there. I can see how someone would try to get into FGO and would be put off by it because of the initial chapters.
Everything changed when Camelot was released though. Nasu actually set the standard for how FGO should be written there and his chapters (Camelot, Babylonia, Temple of Time, Avalon Le Fae, SE.RA.PH) are by far, and I mean, BY FAR, the best storytelling we've got in gacha. However, despite the other FGO writers being good, they're not on his level, I think they range from good to great, mostly great, but they make their mistakes here and there.
It is a true shame though, FGO is heavily constrained by its old school style, they could use more dynamic cgs and art (they literally have Mahoyo and Tsukihime as prime examples of what VNs can do) and at the very least make main story chaptera voiced. But somehow Lasengle seems to be allergic to improvements.
And then to top it all of with an even worse statement which is, that the game is relitevly dead.
Based on what they earn on a monthly basis and how outdated, and actual monthly expenses for the game is just cracks my logical part of the brain.
@@O_Kay12-this if fair. I still love FGO, but the game is super outdated at this point it's last saving grace are Designs, the IP and Story.
Tbh if it wasn't fate and stories were not good, Id have quit a long time ago.
I hope they make a Starrail-esque game in the future, or better yet port Samurai remnant into a Gacha game.
yeah after camelot the story picked up a LOT
Remember when they showed how thick the hardcopy was for the script of Avalon le Fae? Yeahh...I don't think any gacha game has beaten FGO yet storywise.
That's why I follow these rules
1: Is it fun or are you just playing for the characters? answer:characters=delete
2: It used to be fun but now it's just boring or is there some daily mechanic that makes you feel miserable?
answer: boring=delete
answer:daily mechanic=delete
3: Does the game charge to change equipment?
answer:yes=delete
4: the story is really boring, but the gameplay is fun?
answer:yes=ignore the story=does the game have a skip?=no=delete
@lucasp-max343 If you really follow these rules through, I doubt there are any games left for you to play in todays gaming market 😅
@@BugCatEnjoyer you can have fun, but for very limited time with these rules. If you have very limited free time, it will do nicely in long terms.
Then don't play todays games@@BugCatEnjoyer
"3" confirms gacha games are not for you
@@JackiShadow That's why I created these rules, I have a job and I'm doing a bachelor's degree that will last 4 years. The last thing I want is to waste time on things that don't entertain me or get in the way of fun.
FGO's story is so good. I'm confused.
No need to be it's a subjective opinion anyway.
@O_Kay12- it's subjective to a degree, but to pretend like the story is bad instead of being just not for you is wrong.
FGO story is known and agreed on by the majority to be good and the main reason people keep playing.
@@lichmourne00 I agree that it was definitely better to be stated that way for sure, also the statement the game is relitevly dead also was unnecessary and also wrong, nevertheless my point still stands that there's no reason to be confused or at least in my opinion.
Look no further than the staff of homeless incident.
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LMAOOOOOO hex being based by saying that FGO isn't good. thats how you can spot someone who has never read/seen FGO
I played for like 6 months 🧍♀️It was my first gacha
Nuh it's mid game.... The anime better..
@@hexjuice when? 5-6 years ago? then go play it again now. let's see if your opinion still stand.
@@hexjuice 6 months? So you played like what, until the release of the 3rd Singularity? No wonder u have shit take regarding the story.
Those Gacha games didnt consume my money, they are consuming my sanity and time to explore until 100 percent-
Clorinde has been around since the beginning of Fontaine and her history with Navia made her even more desirable. Plus she’s a really hot Waifu. Not my favorite but I still like her.
Excuse me!? Have you read FGO!?
LB6 is too good. Like, you know you're a gacha game? On a PHONE? Those are supposed to be terrible, why are you so good Lostbelts?
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you know what's more fun than reading fgo story, play a fresh account complete entire arc 1 in 7 days with only relying on your friend support
The "best" take was that FGO is relitevly dead 14:38
@@O_Kay12- bro FGO can put Genshin to shame if they want to, yah it old and the gameplay isn’t modern but hey, we get more Fate content.
As for FOMO, I believe the problem is negated by powercreep. One can start a new gacha and get the new shiny units/characters and do most of the stuff and challenges game has to offer. It just takes time to accumulate the required amount of resources.
Counter argument: one is not inmune against marketing and community, most of the FOMO is caused by the videos in social talking about said unit
@@oklahoma8666 You're right. I was mostly addressing another point about newer players being at unfair disadvantage if they've started late into the game's lifespan.
One of the hardest lessons to teach other gacha game playing friends of mine is to not experience FOMO~~~
I have a friend who wants to collect all the HSR characters, and I always ask them "Do you actually want the character? Do you need this unit to progress? Do you like this unit?", and half the time they're trying to pull characters because of FOMO~~~
There was one and only one time when I 'bought' character in gacha game, spent around 40 bucks for it. Feeling from that day are still with me, I felt the most disappointed and disgusted with myself and there was no satisfaction in getting character. Is this a common thing or it's just my stingy side?
Tell me you've never played F:GO with out telling me you've never played F:GO
14:38
@@O_Kay12- so ether you haven't played it ether or your being a smart ass
@@Kitsune10060 my apologies if it came out that way, I basically just used that time stamp to kind of further confirm your comment on how absurd some of her comments where for FGO.
It has nothing to do with me, I understand how it wasn't clear once again my apologies and in short it was supposed to be a memed reference to the absurdity so I found it funny to use the statement as a response. Hopefully it makes sense now.
Ah yes, one more thing just in case... in simplified English (and I don't mean that offensively) it was a joke.
@@O_Kay12- ah, it's fine then. Text does a very poor job of cluing people into the tone of a given statement.
@@Kitsune10060 indeed, it's honestly my fault for constantly not being aware of this factor, it's just a strong natural habit I guess, eventually I'll probably adapt to it.
Dude, im so big at resources management game back then and now i just love to manage the time i had with the game i like. Call me heartless but it's pretty easy for me to drop a game that has thousand hours of progress if i see better alternative or sometimes pick something back up after 2 years of not giving it a fuck
I too can drop a game I spent a lot of money plus actually enjoyed it and had a passion for it without skipping a heartbeat at all, I guess I'm just too aware that there's nothing I can do so best enjoy it for what it is till it lasts because I also can't change that time span.
Sunk cost fallacy is real. Even if you don't spend money, the time you sunk can also keep you playing.
Take a shot every time she says dopamine
The only gacha where i see them not really abusing fomo is eversoul like after a event rerun you get the free skins and stuff permanently available in the shop that you can get using free currency. The even stories are not time gated and there are no limited characters. The only bad thing about this game is that there are too many seasonal event reruns and you literally dont get new events as often
FGO is an example of good story, since the start of Lostbelts. It's main story much better then shilled to the sky HSR and GI kids stories.
All I'm gonna say is that breath of the wild had to walk so genshin can run....
Wuthering waves sneaks up behind genshin with a brick while tower of fantasy watches from a distance
As someone who only got into gacha games after Genshin and now has them as a staple part of my daily routine (for better or worse), it's just all the more refreshing to go back and play regular games and remind myself that gachas will always be side games, no matter how great the production value is becoming for gachas these days.
Huh fgo doesn’t have good story??????! I personally enjoy the story of fgo more than wuwa,geshin and hsr.
This is why as a gacha gamer or even one who plays live service and stuff, they have to know how to be responsible with their money. They have to ask themselves if its really worth it, which is sadly not taught to some people.
The problem is that it's easier said than done. These games are designed to make you addicted on a psychological level, which particularly affects people who are socially isolated or single.
Therefore, laws should be passed that restrict/prohibit such mechanisms.
Not just money, time. Time is more precious.
The value I take in spending in games is the enjoyment I get from playing it. If I'm not having fun anymore I'll stop. Money spent previously is irrelevant
U know its true honkai impact have a lots in game currency its make me go insane to grind bro, and its going cost a lots ton of money bruh, i quit it after 2 years
can you really call fgo dead tho? it's still one of the high grossing games up there.. not higher than genshin or other top grossers sure but that doesn't really deny the fact that it's still up there..
and the fact that the game is still around for MORE than 7 years in JP and more than 6 years in global and about to celebrate their global's 7th anniversary..
idk about you but staying up there on the charts despite being an old game and still earning big says something..
Didn't Tectone meme about people considering any game that's not better than Genshin/HSR revenue wise a dead game? 😂
I call it dead bc there is very little content around the game, on Twitch or TH-cam, and it’s extremely, aggressively niche, even for a gacha.
Revenue ≠ overall popularity, especially for gambling games lol
@@hexjuice That's mostly for the west, it's 99% a jp game. Content is dead for westerners because global is behind 2 years, so there's no point in english content. In that sense I guess you could call it niche.
@@hexjuicebruh dead means no one’s playing it
WTF? a game respecting your time, and doesn't have a bunch of TH-camrs and twitch streamers talking about it makes it a dead game? are that terminally online that you think twitch streamers and TH-camrs= popular game?
i was here for this :)
comparing his suggestion to genshin specifically "try not to log into your gacha game tomorrow and ask yoursef what would you miss out on?"
i have to say i did the math no dailys is a miss on about 40 to 60 primogems the current event yields over all 50 primos a day over like what... 8 days? that's 400 primos together that you can get the day after that. with the event together and the daily rewards you don't even get to 1 single pull genshin is simply not worth to login at allthe biggest hope genshin community has rn is that the current marketing manager is moving over to zenless and f'ks that game over so genshin can get a new one and potentially thrive like it never did before.
but for that we''ll have to wait and see
Thank you for watching pseychie his content is truly underrated 🙏
Gacha games ruining your life ? I think completely the opposite
In a day and where games cost a ton and can finished within a week or two, Gacha games are a blessing. Why ?
1. They're live service games and as such, they're built to keep going for as long as they don't shut down. Even if the characters and their equipments can cost alot of money to get, atleast you know they will never lose relevance, unlike your single player games collecting dust in the shelves after being completed. Meaning you'll always have your characters and their equipment to always use for new content until the game closes. In this sense, spending a 100$ in gacha game > 70$ single player games
2. Life is excrutiatingly long. It can get tiring and annoying alot of times. This is where games come in to help you blow off the steam but even then, people don't have 50 to 100$ ready on-the-spot to buy new games to enjoy their downtime, which is where live service games like gacha games come in. Due to their free-to-play access and endless content, you will not only have something to play in your hands 24/7 but there will be 100% guaranteed new content for you to enjoy and blow off steam better from time to time before you can get back on the grind
TLDR: If you can keep your keep g@mbling addiction in check, gacha games are your next best friend after dogs
As someone who plays and likes Genshin and WuWa (although Genshin has declined a lot recently, especially if you've been playing WuWa for a while), I personally have to say that these mechanics need to be drastically regulated, if not banned, because they can destroy people's livelihoods. Unfortunately, EA Sports FC is successful here in Germany and earns most of its money with gambling mechanics, which even Genshin Impact seems "merciful" in comparison, if you have patience.
I would even go so far as to say that all these sunken costs, FOMO and whatever rip-offs are 100% the fault of the companies and not the consumers.
I have a few more tips here that might help some of you.
Read leaks if you want to know who you want (works for the MHY games and WuWa Save, no idea how it works for others).
If you don't feel like playing then don't play, take the day off, go for a walk, smoke some weed and do what you really feel like doing.
If you want to get away from gacha games, then play games that really have a fun gameplay loop like Hades and Monster Hunter (I'm looking forward to their sequels) and try other genres too.
If you want to combat the Sunken Cost Fallacy, try taking a day off at first and then increasing the level until you no longer feel the need to play and then delete/sell your account to finally put an end to it.
I don't know if smoking some weed was a helpful tip.
Life goes on without games.
Games are like alcohol or drugs; ultimately bad for you but they make life more tolerable for a time.
@@apharys8921 Good creation can make you to learn, to understand, to think beyond, even change your perspective on things even life. But I think when you need game to make your life tolerable, you need to find why and to change, maybe learn new skill, find your passion, it do sounds game is the way to escape, but it better not be, or it's never gonna get better.
I actually stopped playing gacha games every day for like the past month and i noticed my hair and my bank account was fuller
The gacha post clarity is stronger than post-nut clarity.
6:38 But genshin for example copied BotW in a lot of aspects, they are the same genre(again in a lot of aspects). Gacha does not define the genre the game is, it defines its business model. Gacha games should be comparable to any other game, specially when the Ultimate goal is to take the consumer's time and compete with any other game. What you are saying there belongs to a world where things are fair and in the gaming market nothing really is very fair. If you're gonna judge a Gacha game you will have people compare it to other amazing games and that's just how it goes. I get that you're saying it's a good thing to compare gacha games and between them giving this one a 10/10 and that one a 9/10 or whatever but this is not a very realistic view imho because every dev of every single dev is competing with every game really, and gachas are just that subcategory you want to attract more customers to. Afterall, If I'm playing WuWa, I'm not gonna be playing Elden Ring which everyone experienced in both games will straight up say the latter is a masterful game by comparison.
Couldn't agree with you more on this.
I cant finish ww main quest still because beside ww i have hsr 2 accs and 1 genshin. Its a freaking lot
new haircut looks awesome!
Biggest L take on FGO, Hex.
Best look into the story before judging.
Highly recommend starting Singularity 6 & 7, then to Lostbelt storyline. (But personally, for me, I enjoy all the Singularity.....expect Septem...)
High praise for Lostbelt 5 & 6
But either way-
If you don't know anything about FGO, then keep your opinion to yourself. It may not be so high combat like GI , WuWa, or Nikke, but FGO is highly popular for its story, characters, and franchise. 😊
The only downside is the gacha rates. That I can agree. :')
But RNG gods have been way too good with me, and my gacha pulls for this game. Lololol
If ya want my friend code, hmu! I'm happy to help newcomers.
Dont think you've played FGO. Its combat is so shit, its only carried by its superb story
I delete HSR last after I got firefly on my first account and Ruan mei for second account, I don't feel satisfying at all maybe because I lose my 50/50 to yanqing and make me spend all of my stellar jade to get firefly, even when I got firefly, I need to grind again to maximize her. I feel miserable
That's just gacha in general, you give it time or you give it money. You'd feel the same if you lose on Jhinsi ro Changli.
FGO has amazing story telling. Hell I’d put it above most of the others I play because of how each servant and the main character play their role. For me FGO and HSR are tied 1st for me. Then it’s PTN and 3rd Wuthering Waves
One update a month with new characters new maps new pvs new music new stories new events, its not that deep. Lets say a gacha game just stops updating, see how fast it dies.
OMFG bro had the LID soundtrack in the background he's a fellow loser like me lmfao
nvm he wasn't smart enough to realize lid was pay 2 convenience not p2w but he did a good job on this vid imo
A required watch for gacha players. Quite a lot of psychology goes into modern gaming and monetization, some of them get pretty disgusting.
I mean on the fomo on 21:45, I really feel like that's only an issue for people with bad spending habits. I've told the people in my friend groups repeatedly that I 10,000% *do not* reccommend playing any of these games if they're bad with money. I do spend a small ish amount of money, but I have a strict budget for that and don't spend a dime more than that.
Genshin, for example, charges $15 for just under 7 pull, $50 for just over 24 pulls, and $100 for just over 50 pulls (not accounting for first time purchase). Since the average pity is about 77, they're basically saying a random chance at a random SSR is worth around $160 USD before tax. I absolutely cannot in good faith recommend anyone I actually give a shit about to interact with such a dogshit system.
23:05 Casinos slots are required by law to reward a certain amount and hit jackpots, and they are adjusted to give out less or more money during slow and busy periods. They can be gamed to an extent if you know what you're doing.
I personally like your nitpicking,and would want to hear you go deeper into it as you mentioned being a psychology major, though I assume others may disagree.
So hear me out, i'm in the opinion that people got desensitized by gacha predatory tactics or reaching for their credit card by.... DLC, downloadable content yep, basically, it all started with the horse armor DLC for Skyrim. everybody found it stupid but it did sell a ton. Compagny saw that, Same for waifu in gacha. Now it's normal for a game to launch with DLC and season pass ( except if you are Baldur Gate 3 ) Josh Strife Hayes got a video on that.
Wasn't the Horse Armor for Oblivion?
Nah it’s started on the coin operated arcade games
@@Chi-Chi-Fy It's the grandparent of all gate keeping gameplay. Coins and absurd difficulty. Good times.
nice video!
38:40 It's not untrue. Professional poker players need to forget that the game is about money in order to be able to make rational decisions. Pretty soon, you lose what I would call attachment to money. It doesn't mean you don't value it, or that you don't manage it, just that you're not as attached to it as most people.
At the core of any game is: are you having fun and entertainment?
If you're not enjoying it, stop. Go play something else more worthwhile.
After getting fed up with *World of Warcraft* increasingly deviant design philosophy, I quit just before *Legion* 7.2 and never looked back. I've had my fun over the years and am satisfied and can move on to other things.
26:21 For me, I agree with better than nothing bc you already get to play the game for free and if you pay for anything, that's your choice. They provide a service or character/weapons and you pay for them with either money or time grinding for them. It's equivalent exchange. Complaining about not getting enough freebies is like people who think celebrities owe them money for making then famous. No, you chose to pay to consume their content, that's where the transaction ends. If they donate their money, that's great, but it's not owed.
lets be real games do ruin your life
43:40 same reason I stopped playing 7dsgc🤣
True
Wuwa was my first game since Genshin. HSR released and I quit gachas for a bit. Really hoping ZZZ is better than it looks
a lot of Genshin's problems, at least the problems I have with it would've been solved if they didn't decide to give it a 10 year plan instead of the original 5 year plan.
When will hex play Nikke?, that would be nice to see her reaction
wuwa devs got us kicking our feet
Games don’t ruin your life. You ruin your life. Take accountability
I realy hope some day we will see PoE mobile. If they keep that monetization model they have in original PoE, it might become a pretty good game.
Good thing i play all kind of games from gachas, MMO´s, sony AAA games and indies...
16:40… I love your content usually but that’s such random opinion. This is a starters mission from more than 7 years ago off its gonna be shit xd But it shows you noting about how the game looks like if you get past the beginning. Honkai is one of the best games for end game + story focused gamers imo.
I agree that beginning are hard because you’re starting with the worst/oldest content and you have a lot of new info but when you get through that it gets only better. And you get really good rewards and fair hatch’s system.
Just dont spend money, and enjoy it with your time
Crazy!
How come no one in chat or comments brought up Hex's new Twin ponytails?
They're not really new LOL
It's a toggle I've always had, I just don't use it often :3
Nah FGO lost A LOT of its cultural relevance. Many if not MOST of the games people play are a word of mouth or CC recommendation. FGO went off like a bomb in the anime/manga community, that went a bit mainstream at the time. Basically the "weebs first gacha game"
Compare that how Hoyo went into the Space with Honkai Impact 3rd (which also lost relevance) and Genshin. This is something you can actually show to a normal person and they would at least say, that it doesnt look like shit gameplay.
I still hear Genshin, Star Rail and sometimes even Honkai Impact mentioned from CCs that arent in the Gacha space directly.
The only time i hear about FGO is in Gacha videos as a bad example for shit rates.
@hexjuice My social science degree is by far more useless. lol
FGO dead? LOL only beacuse people dont stream the game in TH-cam and twitch?
This is one of the most funny thing i've eveer seeing
Hex told me to on stream.
I tried to play Honkai impact 3rd sooooo many times but for some reason I just don’t enjoy it
boy am I glad I'm now more aware.
Between Azur promilia and wuwa Genshin will be hurt very bad. Play AP for the waifu and overworld and Wuwa for the combat. I can’t wait.
Nah, Genshin fans are in it deep.
@@zealgaming8161 yeah that’s too every game has a dedicated fan base.
Lol, after a long time hex came with a bad take saying fgo is dead, just because she doesn't play the game and is not much popular in west.
FGO Story ain’t good? Whaaaat?
Yeah lostbelt 6 fgo is so good and lb7
I've gotten all crowns and none of my characters have talent 10. I 36 star spiral abyss all the time. Sometimes your criticism of genshin is unfair.
Yep. Me too (except i dont even bother with floor 12 at all. I just dont feel to sweat for 150 gems)
Crowns are just for dedicated people but absolutly not mandatory
yay, pigtails ❤
Im playing Azur Lane, i can comfirm this is true.
The shame for _Honkai Impact 3rd_ is that it was designed as a mobile game, released as a mobile game, and never revised to look or feel like anything but a mobile game, despite getting a PC port. In interview, Dawei said he wished they could have given _HI3_ the kind of global, cross-platform release that they later gave _Genshin_ and _Honkai: Star Rail_ , but they simply lacked the resources to do that at the time. They could do it now if they wanted to, but somehow I get the feeling they don't really want to: _HI3_ has become this more private passion project, with the result that the first five chapters that you have to play through to start to get to the juicier parts in the story are still slower-paced, not as spectacular, and have the feel of the early-era mobile game experience that the game started with. There's also no EN dub, even though they could have added one, especially with all the EN VA's they picked up between _Genshin_ and _HSR_ . But again, they don't do that.
Regardless, the story and characterization they have in _HI3_ are some of Mihoyo's best work, together with the music and the action combat, which is basically the same as what you'll find in the action combat of _ZZZ_ (it has a smoother, more refined UI, but otherwise it works exactly the same, right down to QTE switches and 3-person teams). _HI3_ is very much an underappreciated gem because of its roots as a Chinese mobile game from 2016, and the lack of an EN dub (despite people advising new players on _Genshin_ and _HSR_ to use anything but the EN dub). And of course, there is absolutely no comparison between the Starter B-rank characters and the current characters, S-rank or otherwise.
Almost every battlesuit (which is what characters are called) work differently, even if they belong to the same character (showing progression over the course of the story), so almost all of them have their own tutorials, sort of like the one that teaches you the basic combat mechanics at the start of the game. I basically suggest using the Tutorials to figure out which battlesuits you'd want to go after. There are also no shortage of costumes, with new ones coming out a few versions after new battlesuits get released. Some are paid, so F2P can't get those at all. Other costumes can be obtained through their own gacha banner, while the last category are, of course, obtainable as event rewards. The weird bit is where they lock you into Trial versions of characters who are story-relevant for story stages, making the gacha completely irrelevant outside of all the endgame modes. Or story quests where you can deploy your chosen team.
The Honkai Team's generosity about rewards is also on full display here, as they give away an S-rank battlesuit and/or gear from time to times, especially around anniversaries, as well as the occasional physical merch. I have the first two volumes of the artbook they released, since I didn't start playing early enough to get the rest. One other thing _Genshin_ and _HSR_ doesn't do is you can unlock A-rank support battlesuits that are actually very good from the Asterite Shop (one in-game currency), and a couple other useful S-rank battlesuits from the War Treasury, which uses another two in-game currencies. And believe it or not, they've actually cut down on the different types of resources and currencies in the game very significantly, and made it a lot less grindy than it used to be.
_HI3_ 's gacha system is the best I have encountered: The only 50/50 is on the Special Valkyrie Supply, and it's between two very powerful units anyway. Pity on the featured Battlesuit is 90, and while each pull costs 280 crystals, you also get them more easily, and I've found I get lucky and pull early much more often here than in _Genshin_ , and I have never pulled early in _HSR_ . Gear is also available in gacha, however Stigmata (relics / artfacts) for Part 2 characters are also forgeable, so you only have to get their weapons. Pity on the Equipment Supply is either 60 or 50 depending on whether it's Part 2 or prior, partly because you're given 4 pieces to pull for -- still less than you have Artifacts or Relics. And the only random stats on Stigmata are two Affixes that you can reroll and upgrade.
Also, you can access Part 2's story as soon as you reach Lv30, which should happen by the end of Chapter 3. There is little connection between Parts 1 and Parts 1.5 with Part 2, being a new planet and set of characters.
Limited-Time Events are, of course, a thing. The only one that absolutely cannot ever rerun is the _Evangelion_ collab, because not rerunning was a requirement to the license for doing it. Anything else can be done again, and I hope they do because there was a LOT of good stuff. But damn, I wish I hadn't missed the _Eva_ collab. I heard it was really, really good.
I hope you can tell, I really like _HI3_ . It's my main game right now. My main account is the one I spend on, and I have a new account I created to test the new player / Part 2 experience. Playing without paying does make progress slower, but you can still access all of the things that matter. The only thing you don't have immediate access to are some cosmetics, which could become free later on anyway. They open up costumes in the main shops... maybe two or three years after their release, I think. It's pretty good. I wish they'd take a bunch of systems they have in _HI3_ and put them in _Genshin_ to make the player experience so much easier, like rerolling consumables. _HSR_ is already better than its older sister. I both anticipate and cringe at the possibilities _ZZZ_ represents, depending on which team manages it. _HSR_ and _HI3_ are managed well. _Genshin_ is not.
Laughing at the FGO white nights molding in the comments lmaoooo
🧍♀️I did not mean to upset the FGO community. I still think the game is dead though. Just not in JP I guess.
It's not white knights molding, it's a normal human interaction called responding, it's also a normal thing to do here on TH-cam since it is a public social media platform where as you can see, one posts a video and then people reply in the comments section. You might be new here.
Just like Hex is allowed and opinion and to potentially present a fact, "we" are also allowed to respond to it, it's also not that FGO community is upset, again just people giving their own subjective opinion or objective fact. Basic communication skills 101.
Most of the replies seem to have been pretty tame so far and it doesn't seem like the responses are upset users rather baffled and genuinely confused thus completely reasonably question it's validity. I don't know if you can't comprehend and differentiate that.
The opinion is Objectively incorrect, but pointless to argue since we got a clear definition of what "DEAD" means to Hex Juice and in that sense it's hard to arguee because by that logic it makes perfect sense, in reality it's just not true in many ways shapen and form and it's very simple to prove it.
To make matters worse this is a edited video typically from her streams where there is more context and it would probably have been more reasonable if we had the whole context, nevertheless we can always go check that vod out but my issue was how it was decided to be specifically cut out and just make it sound like a vague statement, so I'm now genuinely suspicious if this wasn't an attempt to "upset" a specific community or did both the creator and editor know exactly what they wanted to do with that.
In conclusion if this was said for any game like Genshin or WuWa I'd personally say the same thing and have the same response.
how anything will ruin you life. OH NO I"VE LOGGED IN FOR 30 SECONDS TO COMPLETE HSR DAILIES, MY LIFE IS FORFEIT. meanwhile wow - here is you mandatory 4 hour daily routeine AHHAHAH
Just don't spend 😊
Honkai Impact 3rd's story is way better than Genshin's, HSR's or WuWa's. I played all. People are really missing out.
That said, daily and weekly activities there are atrocious in terms of time required to complete. Events also do this "do it daily, or you won't be able to get all the rewards*. You can speedrun those in 4 days at best, but you CAN'T complete them in the last day. Just impossible.
Combat system is also quite clunky and primitive despite layers upon layers of different ideas they tried during the 7 year run of the game. Still better than Genshin's though. But much worse than PGR's and WuWa's.
The problem is it is a game. Game should be fun to play. I dont care if it has the best story in the world when i find gameplay boring for myself😅
(Thats why i just watched lore/story videos for hi3 and doesnt feel like i am missing something)
@@ProkerKusaka It depends. I can't immerse myself into the story if I am not the one playing. Have a hard time following it by watching a video. And HI3's gameplay isn't bad. The story is the usual Hoyo yapfest, but at least it has well developed characters, good overarching plot and enough exciting bits smeared evenly.
That FGO take was wild. Claiming something as a fact when the comments say otherwise is pretty much a sign not take you seriously from then on.
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havint to listen to paymon for 20 minutes to do a 90 seconds events is not what i call fair for the time
This dude prolly just needs to stop playing/reviewing gacha games if he hates them so much. Saying a game can only be 8/10 means you're not rating it correctly. Using the "traditional game" checklist to rate a live service game is so disingenuous. If you reverse this and rate a traditional game using a gacha game checklist, saying "there's only 60 hours of content" would sound equally dumb. Just rate it within it's category...
There's a huge community of players that love gacha games for all the reasons that this guy deems negative. For example, if you make a review of Wuthering Waves and think it's an 8/10 in every category, but it's a Gacha Game (so you give it a 6/10), there's probably a lot of players that might otherwise enjoy the game that will be steered away because of your review. That makes your review incredibly flawed...
I mean if wuwu wont have gacha for characters and weapons (which is hidden content behind pay wall btw) but only gacha for cosmetics it will be 8/10 and not that 6/10
It is not a problem to hava a gacha mechanic but it is become problem when actual content hidden behind that
@@ProkerKusaka There isn't *really* content hidden behind the gacha. You just have to pick and choose what characters you want. If you play a normal RPG that has a race/class/specialty selector, you're not going to play thru the game with every combination, right? Well, even if you wanted to, that would be a similar time investment compared to making 2 Wuthering Waves accounts and pulling every character anyway. All for free... never even have to pay for DLC. Depends on your perspective.
I agree that gacha is borderline predatory and leads to other negative things if you can't control yourself, but at it's core gacha is economically better than a traditional game.
new characters shouldnt even be counted as content
@@latitude990 Well you cant campare with a normal rpg cuz in that I can replay in any time i want in any race/role etc. In wuwa I cant cuz i blocked by re-runs. Now stop playing wuwa for a few months and after try to pull for a new character. Oh wait. You dont have pulls cuz you didnt play events... But this new character has new cool mechanics which make old characters fun to play... That's why characters ARE a content. They change the way you play the game.
Watched his Limbus review and I don't trust that guy. The vid pretty much says that he speedrun the comtent for I think a month, but the length he reached was what I did lazily on the first 2 weeks of the game. He didn't reach far enough to the point where "you don't need to pull for characters you want, you just need to grind to get the currency that you can trade for them"
Like, sure some you can't spark right away, or if you miss them last season, you need to wait next season to spark them, but it's really the gacha game where you don't really do gacha
Ah yes, playing a game in another way devalues the criticism of gacha monetization. Is there something wrong with you? Lol
@@300y1I'm not saying i dont trust his criticism in gacha game, i'm saying i dont trust his views in general. My first impression of him was really bad with that video. His review was really only up to the "tutorial" stage of the game, but he talked as if that was the whole game.
Sorry but the argument is simply not correct.
That's like me playing Pokemon Gen 9 and saying you shouldn't concentrate on the technology even though technology, gameplay and story all have to work together. Otherwise, objectively speaking, it's just not good.
And it also applies to Limbus, Kuro and whoever else they are called. Companies are not your friends, they just want your money and nothing else. (Besides, if both development companies cared about their players then they wouldn't have built in exploitative gambling mechanics).
@@cankurt1696ehh, i think it's more of a "oh, cooking pasta is easy" when I actually just boiled some instant noodle.
Also, never said developers were friends. I said it's a gacha game where you don't need to do gacha
Altho, yeah. Now that I read my initial comment, i did only said things abt the gacha and not the whole reviews. Mb