Ranking Every Van Der Linde Gang Member By Their Crimes
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Today, I am going to rank every Red Dead Redemption 2 in a tierlist, starting from the worst chapters, and going all the way to the best chapters.
This is just my opinion, so put yours in the comments and let's debate! - เกม
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"Jack is only a six year old, he's not gonna commit any crimes"
*Shows clip of Jack punching Arthur to death
lowest honor ending moment
And Jack is 4 Years old in the main events of rdr2... I'm a 🤓🤓
Ermm actually...it was a skin mod 🤓
Help me please.
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Abigail killed Milton, and even though it was a distraction, she took part in the robbery.
I agree bro you smart
Yeah this guys is missing a bit
Thank you lol I was like how can he miss that lol
Also she is a thief.
She was also a prostitute during her first few years with the gang
Arthur is the only gang member who had DO NOT APPROACH on his wanted poster which is wild
Where can you see the wanted posters?
@@ChaserBD04google
It says
“Approach with Caution”
but that basically means “Do not approach” anyways lol
Where is his wanted poster?@@user-el6lz4kn9j
@@user-el6lz4kn9jI mean one of the first bounties you get in Valentine also says that
In the mission where you go to rescue Tilly, Ms. Grimshaw also reveals that Tilly murdered at least one of her old gang members, so she could be bumped up a few.
True. Kinda forgot about that one, but based on the way the Foremans treated her I feel like it could be self-defense, similar to Kieran.
@@RedDeadTierListsAbigail shot agent Milton to save Arthur so she killed one of the main antagonists. So unlike what you said she actually did something
snitch
@@uoooogg2148 You look like a snitch
@@uoooogg2148bro what 💀
As non violent as he is, Strauss not only threatens but openly encourages violence against the desperate people he lends money to. His actions directly lead to several characters lives being ruined. and for that reason I think he should be higher up. Also Abigail kills a Pinkerton, even if it's just once, she did do it and technically, it's a crime even if we hate the guy.
strauss' business is technically legal but it takes a dump on everything the gang stood for by preying on the poor and defenceless they claim to be fighting for
@@Garland846 I agree, I would say Strauss is one of the most cold-blooded of the gang members. His value of figures and lack of compassion for those who are entries in his ledger book reminds me of the Strange Man from the first game. A fellow accountant.
I think Strauss is the worst criminal in the game. Usury is one of the worst crimes ever put to human use.
@@Garland846what Strauss does is only legal in certain regions of the world. But not all..... Usury is a form of slavery.
@@brianbommarito3376oh f3ck off with this circle jerking of despising Strauss that much to be labelled according to you as 'one of the most cold-blooded of the gang members' even Strauss told Arthur to 'not try to kill them, it's very bad for business' - imagine shitting on Strauss where he isn't even close to being as bad aa John, Arthur, Micah, Javier, Bill and Dutch...
That clip of Arthur pissing off of the mountain and Jack jumping him killed me
Charles didn’t murder the poacher, it was self defense. You can see that the Poacher drew his gun first and was about to point it at him. Charles had a faster draw and reacted in time.
You're right. The poacher did take his gun out first but at no point did we see any indication that he might point it at charles. I don't think just holding a gun is a crime.
@@joonasnaski9513brandishing a firearm is a crime
@@blackhippykid69 they were hunters tho. And are you sure it was a crime at that time in america
@@joonasnaski9513if you slow the clip down and look carefully, you can see the poacher about to point it at Charles
@@c3ntur10n7so that negates Charles' intention of possibly killing one of them in a fit of rage...
Arthur: “Revenge is a luxury we can’t afford”
Also Arthur: Becomes Sadie’s only friend
the line is supposed to be all BS... there's more to it especially because of Dutch which is the reason why Arthur keeps spewing out this term but that's the general idea and i have no idea HOW nobody in the RDR community from my knowledge seems to acknowledge this
"being friends with ms adler is a luxury I can afford but nobody else can"
Abagail shot Milton though
you could argue that was self preservation
Yea milton was talking about killing her while pointing a gun at one of her best friends. No judge would look at that and say "yea, murder"@@thegameringman-129
@@cantinadudes Pretty sure you would be convicted for murdering a cop in 1899 lol
@@derpeth2101 1. Milton was a pinkerton, not a straight up cop, i imagine that could be tricky legally
2. It was self defense
3. There were no witnesses
@@cantinadudes Pinkertons are a private police force. How was it self defense? Arthur attacked him while being under arrest, then Abigail killed him. Milton was the one engaging in self defense at that moment against Arthur resisting arrest.
i would like to say, its said that Mary-Beth can "pick a pocket quicker than you can blink" or something along those lines. Also, in rdr Dutch is also WAY worse, and he kills in cold blood more than Arthur and John, at least thats what i believe LOL. but overall a good tierlist! Keep it up man.
there's even a companion activity with Mary Beth where you rob a stage coach together,, she gets taken hostage and you have to headshot the guy holding her, so not only is she a hardened criminal she's also pretty cool headed.
OP, if you really believe that about John and Arthur then you need to play more RDR properly...
@@godzillazfriction im gonna be honest i dont even remember writing this KJSDFKJ but, yeah. john is brutal and what not, but as john said in rdr2, "[dutch] seems to enjoy it now." which is mostly what i was talking about :] tho, now that i have played rdr more, i 100% get what you mean
Dutch also murdered that old lady with his bare hands. And not even over that bar of gold, but simply out of paranoia
I feel like Javier could go S tier too, hes part of many missions in game and in Shady Belle you can find a wanted poster of him where he has a bounty of 1000usd. Comparing what kind of mass murder you have to do as arthur to get a 1k bounty i think he could go S tier
I agree, bro also Javier worked with the Mexican government to kill innocent Mexicans
Bill should've been higher than Sadie, he led a gang for several years until he died in RDR1, he was with the Van der Linde gang for 6 years and, after leaving the army, he was a highway robber before he joined the gang as well. And Sadie had never really committed any major crimes until chapter 6, excluding killing enemy gang members. She was also completely innocent before the events of the game.
It was stated she was never innocent lol also she was a bounty hunter from the main game to the epilogue which was 8 year she was bound to get more kills then bill
Bill also was stated to have raped people while running his own gang I'm pretty sure. Unless I'm misremembering the first game. So. Imo Bill is number 1. He did everything everyone else did, and then thay.
Sean a gifted gunslinger? What did you smoke before you made this
abigail literally killed a man????? Even tho Milton was an antagonist, in the eye of the law he’s just an agent doing his job and abigail killed him.
He was planning to kill Sadie and abigail, then when arthur entered he was about to get shot of course she's gonna defend herself and her almost family lol
@@Aloush-kzstill a crime though
>Makes a list of people's crimes based on what we see in the game
>speculates about what might have happened off screen
-Uncle robs a couple coaches and murders people on screen, thats all we know. We can't speculate about what happened off screen
-Abigail murders a cop
-Grimshaw kills molly because she betrayed the gang. just because molly broke a rule set by outlaws doesn't make it 2nd degree murder. it was premeditated, they discussed before hand what they would do to people who did their duty as citizens and told the police about the gang
-Kieran shooting that guy was not self defense, it was killing a criminal to protect another criminal who knew what he was getting into.
-Hosea does mass terrorism during the saint denis bank heist
If we take the first game into account which you should, since its part of the story. Jack Marston murders several FBI agents and Army soldiers who were attempting to take in a mass murdering outlaw, and then hunts down and murders Edgar Ross in cold blood. He is S tier for sure. Uncle does the same
When did jack take down fbi agents and army men, btw the fbi (pinkerton) agents weren't trying to take in a criminal (john) they tried to kill him although they had a deal (john taking down his former brothers in arms in exchange of his liberty) so my guess it was more of a self defense situation even though the law may list it as acts of crime, if they don't acknowledge ross's corruption and manipulation
Dutch is like the 1800s Bin Laden.
I kinda wish Pearson was present at the house building it would have been funny to see him deal with the wilderness.
Dutch wasn't trained by green berets!
@@smacke2950No not green berets. CIA paramilitary officers probably.
@@TybarSake operation cyclone
While Herr Strauss’ “criminal” tier is debatable, I would say he’s definitely “hardened.” As hardened as any of them. He saw every one of those persons before Arthur met them. He knew their circumstances. It never seems to occur to him that some form of mercy might be required for certain individuals in his ledger, his figures and his accounts. That is what’s most frightening about him, to my mind. Even most of the cold-blooded killers of the gang seem to have something of a conscience. Strauss is a lot like the Strange Man from the first game. Also “an accountant,” also an impressively hardened individual. The only really good thing I can say about Strauss is that he is loyal to the gang, even under torture.
this is so f3cking cringe to the point i just despise the RDR community of making it seem like Strauss is EVIL INCARNATION even though he literally suggested to Arthur that he should 'try not to kill them, it's very bad for business' and what do you mean by 'conscience' - stop arguing semantics in regards to your falsely perceived beliefs/thinking...
@@godzillazfrictionStrauss never killed anyone too. Even girls did except for Mary-Beth.
People really call Strauss one of the worst in the gang but he is actually one of the few that never commited crimes
@@user-qp9me2nl5t ok i dont care about you...
@@godzillazfrictionI low key did not want to kick him out of the camp
i feel like you forgot alot. And Reverend is a criminal since he robbed the 2 guys he was gambling with in "who is without sin" he stole a watch
Also love how we are so used to the violance in rockstar games that we think robbery is a petty crime lmao
Yeah "Abigail was just a distraction", homie that's an active role in a robbery lol
I think Micah and Dutch go into their own category of Psychotic Killers tier but the rest of the rankings are accurate
you can also add John, Arthur and Bill on there...
even Javier although RDR2 completely misused his character considering that he was originally supposed to kill a whole stagecoach family in a coach robbery and this wouldve enhanced the over-arching story of Javier but also the moral depravity that Dutch set upon in his gang...
@@godzillazfriction Arthur and John don't kill for no reason like Micah and Dutch do. Arthur and John kill for being tested, threatened, or because their life and freedom is on the line and don't always feel good about it when killing in seemingly "unnecessary" times. Dutch and Micah kill for no reason without any remorse and kill anyone, women, children, anyone. Micah is also a potential rapist from things learned of him in RDR2 and a psychotic criminal sociopath who kills for the fun of it. Dutch shoots girls in the face with no remorse. Bill might have some remorse and same with Javier but yeah they definitely lean towards psychotic but aren't as bad as Micah and Dutch in my opinion given the amount of crimes and nature of them. I call Dutch and Micah psychotic because of who they are willing to kill, their other criminal behaviors, their complete lack of remorse, and sense of self entitlement in their killings and crimes. Arthur and John feel remorse and know they are bad and want to change their ways and that's why its called Red Dead "REDEMPTION" whereas Dutch and Micah cannot be redeemed. Arthur and John can be redeemed because they know its wrong and want to change and because of that I wouldn't classify them a psychotic sociopathic killers like Micah and Dutch
@@neochrist33 im so tired of ppl like you who don't know anything about RDR as a whole especially using the same f3cking brainrotten argument of ''iTs wHy iTs CalLEd ReD dEd 'Redemption' "
@@neochrist33 so how about you look into other comment sections where i elaborate further however I'll point out something in return...
'sociopath' or a 'psychopath' is just a generalising/differentiating term of not equating towards the social norm of a Human being despite by that logic and nature regarding the human brain, everyone has 'sociopathic' or psychopathic traits and it's primarily stemmed from the a part of a brain labelled as the 'amygdala' and its where sex and violence occur...
now according to you about how you're being so one-noted about John and Arthur is that just because they feel 'remorse' that doesn't negate them being 'sociopathic killers'
@@godzillazfrictionthe literal definition of sociopath is a person who does not show regard for right or wrong
Bro Marybeth always goes out stealing like pickpocketing. They met Mary when she was avading the law with a bag full of watches and wallets. She even comes to Arthur telling her stealing in town and they almost killed her and so
Abigail can tachnically be considered a criminal since she did kill a law enforcment agent. Also, I don't know if this is being pedantic or not, but the ones who don't actively participate in criminal behavior can still be considered criminals by aiding and abetting actual criminals. With the exception of Jack.
Jack assaults Kieran by throwing rocks at him
Pinkerton arent appart of law enforcements
@@titousobased They are private cops
Trewlany would be comparable to Lester, they don’t get their hands dirty but outright plan out heists.
On another hand, Strauss’ business should be perfectly legal. Worse person doesn’t mean he’s a criminal, he should be in Swanson-tier. I don’t think he attacks anyone on the ferry heist.
so he's worse than Arthur, John, Javier, Bill, Micah and Dutch...?
He smashes some poor guy's head with a bottle
Your definition of crime, Strauss not committing the beating. He’s the loan shark, lends money cause he knows he’ll get more by sending a soldier, manipulates both the loaner and Arthur, convinces Arthur to beat or murder and bring the money… he’s a terrible evil and in court, being the brain of violent operations like this, the sentence is more severe then the one breaking the legs.
3:00 ayo abigail should be a little bit higher up ngl, i think u forgot she was the one who killed agent milton, don’t get me wrong like u said u kinda got to take into account self defence killings but she did kill the man and seemed pretty happy about it too, bare in mind he was a pinkerton too not just a civilian, shed probably get a high bounty if identified
She also breaks john out of jail in the epilogue
@@dimitrirufinodasilva2023??
Nope. Only Arthur and Sadie.@@dimitrirufinodasilva2023
Her killing Milton wasn’t self defense
Calling Tilly a murderer for killing someone that kidnapped her is soo accurate for the message R* tries to get across about racism in their games smh.
what??
@@stravical7229The brothers who kidnapped her are the same race as her bro
@@EDGKangKang what??
@@EDGKangKang'race' as a concept is all BS...
@@godzillazfrictionit is most definitely not BS, regardless of whatever anecdote you come up with
Haven’t finished the video yet but guessing either Arthur or John since they are the only ones in the gang to have committed acts of terrorism (blowing up the bridge + sinking the Cuban warship in guarma).
It’s said a few times that Abigail is a good thief, and she also blew up a building in Saint Denis with Hosea💀 and she also killed Milton too
I would bump Molly up to D-tier. She had Dutch convinced that she told and as his girl, she’d be privy to a lot of info.
john definitely did a lot worse than arthur if you include rdr1 considering he killed hundreds of army men in mexico without hesitation
you're forgetting everything about what both are capable in free roam, Arthur definitely takes more enjoyment in this life compared to John who just wants his family despite the game presenting an allegory for John to be reborn once again as an outlaw considering his past caught up with him...
also John's 1st kill was when he was 11-12 years old and was going to get hanged for it until Dutch saved him and it's where John joined the gang...
Its not really a crime if you are made to do something
John in RDR1 killed for the greater cause while Arthur killed for money.
i just want you to know that abigail literally killed agent milton whos one of the main antagonists in this game
Abigail killed Milton, so she did murder an agent of the law. She also was a hooker earlier in life.
Mary-Beth is routinely described as the most prolific pickpocket in the entire gang and she also breaks into houses to steal things.
Strauss's lone sharking scheme is legal as is mentioned many times.
Tilly murdered Anthony Foremans cousin, according to them in cold blood. She also helps rob a stage will Bill and Arthur.
Lenny joined the gang because he murdered the guy who killed his father. If you read an newspaper article that
Sean kept about his fathers death, it mentions that Sean went with his father on terrorist activities in Ireland prior to joining with the gang. Hes as hardened as anyone.
Charles and Javier are both cold blooded killers. Im sorry I dont see what make them less than Marston or Bill.
Hosea never shoots anyone. Hes a conman, not a gunfighter. Hes stolen alot, but hes honestly closer to Trelaney than he is Charles or Javier.
To be fair to Charles, he didn't kill that guy in the clip in "cold blood." The other guy threatened him and reached for his gun before Charles grabbed his shotgun. Charles was just quicker on the draw
I think Strauss should be upgraded to the B-tier, an accomplice to murder. Being an enabler to violence is bad enough, especially when the enabler outright encourages beatings. Strauss actually told Arthur to beat Thomas Downes, and he can actually tell him twice if Arthur hadn’t already done it up until a certain mission.
Yes, Arthur was the one who did it, choosing to go through with it, but Strauss was the enabler, making him an accomplice not only to an assault, but a straight up murder as well.
Plus, Strauss actually gets his hands dirty and attacks a guard during the boat robbery in Saint Denis as well.
so you think he's worse than Arthur even though he suggested to Arthur that he should 'try not to kill them, it's very bad for business' why in tf would Strauss say that to Arthur if he knows what Arthur is like... Arthur literally says that he's doing this for the 'pleasure' of beating/torturing and (optional) killing the ppl who owe the debt...
@@godzillazfriction I think when Arthur says he's doing it "for pleasure" he was being sarcastic, as he is shown to be during the game. Also on a few occasions he tells Strauss that loan-sharking is "dirty work", he seems to do the debt collecting out of obligation to the gang.
@@thepariah3516 how was he being 'sarcastic' there's nothing in the damn story that suggests this and you're not even pointing out where its shown to be 'sarcastic' that alludes to your original point, the reason why he finds Debt Collecting 'revolting' is because of what it stands for within the gang, it's not because Arthur is taking pity on those who he beats/tortures and kills since you can kill and even Strauss reminds Arthur to 'try not to kill them, it's very bad for business' - Arthur doesn't mind at all for killing them, there's no actual consequence other than how Arthur chooses to realise what he's been doing which the only time it works is when Arthur confronts the widow and her son which definitely reminded him of Eliza and Isaac, Arthur still isn't a quote on quote 'Good person' just because ppl deem the 'Good deeds' to be trivial for Arthur to gain 'Redemption' even though that's now how that works and that certainly undermines the games Story about Arthur Morgan...
but anyways, there's no consequence in actuality because it's a criminal/outlaw gang that hypocritically and ironically exploiting the concept of Debt collecting to gain even more money...
been waiting for this
Bro doesn't even mention that Abigail shot miltion
Legend is back
Bro bleeped out murder on the cover of his video for a rated M game
the best RDR youtuber is back
Idk necessarily about best but thank you. Will be posting at least somewhat frequently in the coming weeks. Trying to make a weapon tier list for sure.
facts
@@RedDeadTierListsgotta love humility
Definitly not the best, your information is off and one of the weirdest things is calling Sean a skilled gunslinger, Abigail is a murderer btw!!!!!!!!!@@RedDeadTierLists
the poatcher mission w charles the guy actually drew his gun on charles, charles just shot first
No he didn't. You're full of shit. And not only that, but Charles also gets pissed if Arthur doesn't kill the other one. And that one certainly doesn't draw on anybody. So don't even go there.... I don't know why you'd make something up like that, but maybe it's because you want to see Charles as being some type of noble character when he's really just a piece of shit who seems to care more about Bison than people...lol!
pretty poor list ngl
Hoesa kills a raider in the mission were you give away moon shine
Jack killed ross tho
ross was practically hiding from the govt at that point so its not like if he gunned ross down in rdr2 when milton provoked arthur during the fishing trip or something
@@evidant Why would he hide from the government? He's a retired cop.
bro actually spelled "jose matthews", "shawn maguire", "javier javier" and "john marson" in the chapters💀💀
If you look closely in the mission where Charles shoots the poacher you can see that the poacher begins to raise his gun before Charles shoots him so I think an argument can be made for Charles doing self defense
You forgot that Abigail killed Agent. Milton in the "Red Dead Redemption" mission
The voice crack at 13:14 was crazy
Being a public drunk would definitely be a crime during the time period. Especially if it's drunken disorderly.
Hosea does shoot a gun in the Fenton mission where he undoubtedly has to have killed at someone one man, and maybe also when you first meet sheriff Gray, I don't know.
Jack shoots at the army men raiding his house in the last enemy that shall be destroyed
Jack is the only saint cause he is literally a child. Molly was an adult woman who chose to be with the gang. Whether or not she committed any crimes she was still associated with them
13:13 ”and i think he was probably commiting alot of crimes over that sprEeh”
When he talks about Lenny: Oh yeah just show is death scene thank u anyway good list
What about abigail shooting milton?
Just thinkin bout that
Swanson did steal that pocket watch which he gave to Arthur. Not a big deal but worth pointing out I suppose.
And Shawn actually is NOT a skilled gunfighter which he is constantly teased about by Arthur and others. Good premise for a video but…..well, good premise for a video anyway.
*sean
@@HankScrader186 *Schrader
@@jvck2174Jack*
In the Tilly mission you could of let Anthony foreman go and she wanted you to, told him to get out her sight grimshaw pushed for Arthur to kill him but it was up to you in the end
I’d put Strauss in b tier since he does harm people in a non-violent way. He killed plenty by working them to death just to get his money. Takes advantage of sick, vulnerable, and hopeless people. He never gets his hands dirty, but he makes others do it for him.
The voice crack when going over javier
accurate list, although I think bill should be higher on the list. maybe right above sadie perhaps above john, but I suppose this isnt counting rdr1 so other than that this is a perfect list
The reverend should probably be in the criminal tier considering he was a decent pickpocket (rdr2 chapter 2 side quest, follow up with him in chapter 4 to get unique dialogue)
6:22 Strauss is definitely a accomplice to murder he writes down lists of names on a paper and all those names get murder or beat up 1 by 1
Dude is literally the death note to arthur
so you think Strauss is EVIL INCARNATION because Arthur went too far despite him saying towards Arthur to 'try not to kill them, it's very bad for business' - also Strauss says this because he definitely knows what Arthur is like, you can kill the ppl who owe the debt with no consequence towards the gang despite Strauss warning of Arthur not to do it...
The auto generated chapters confused me but despite the errors kinda cool
Welcome back RDTL.
Thank you! Will be posting at least somewhat frequently in the coming weeks. Trying to make a weapon tier list for sure, and potentially an iceberg video but that could be awhile.
@@RedDeadTierLists OOH! ICEBERG! Tazin likey! Sorry if that sounded weird, I just like icebergs, and a red dead one at that, sounds really cool!
I wonder if Red Dead Redemption 3 will show us Abigail doing much more than what she did in Red Dead Redemption 2, assuming it's still focusing on the gang
Self defense does seem like a crime in Red Dead Redemption 2, "hey I saw that!" I actually forgot that wasn't the case for Red Dead Redemption, you can even collect the trophies you fairly won. I recently started playing it after my last RDR2 playthrough, already in Mexico
Abigail is annoying so I hope not
I should point out Edgar Ross’s partner in rdr says that that Johns kill hundreds of innocent people and robbed 40 banks, remember he said innocent people so o'driscolls and Micah’s gang and Micah don’t count.
yep, unfortunately Rockstar misportayed Johns' character in RDR2 considering that John was supposed to be this 'angry, ruthless violent man' since he was Dutch's right hand man until that got portrayed with Rockstar's new protagonist aka Arthur Morgan...
however John still has snippets of this despite Rockstar misusing John overall in RDR2...
@@godzillazfrictionJohn never was Dutchs right hand where the hell did you even take this info from?
@@user-qp9me2nl5t the 1st game you smoothbrain...
@@godzillazfrictionno in rdr john was portrayed as the favorite son but not the right hand 😊
@@ahmed_away11 it was clearly both you genius...
At the end of chapter six, Abigail actually kills Milton, so i think that she should be higher
Hosea actually will kill the dad and son that Seamus sends you to rob if you’re caught and not sneaky enough.
Pearson have killed some peoples for defending the camp i dont remember at what chapter
13:12 yeah I heard that voice crack
11:06 Meanwhile the cutscene with arthur shooting the bottle Sean couldnt hit
You must put Abigail in tier above
In last chapter if John got caught in a jail, there's a cutscene when Abigail is getting him out by knocking out a guard
I dont think Sadie is really a bad guy, the only time she really starts killing is when he has people she cares for to protect. (Oh yes there are times when she just shoots someone like in the mission where you go to Rhodes to shop but at that time She was just broken.)
You're wrong about molly mooching off the gang, she worked for grimshaw before her and dutch became an item
bro you forgot because abigail shoot agent milton in the last misson
Charles killed the poacher in self-defense. If you closely, they were drawing their gun first.
Abigail Roberts shot Agent Milton in the last mission in a cut scene, red dead redemption
Don’t worry I subbed
What Strauss did was entirely legal. He said it himself. Loaning to desperate people at high rates and giving them consequences if they didn’t pay it back was entirely ok at the time, just as it is now. The only difference is the consequences were more severe then.
Bruh I can’t say if you’re right or wrong for that time period (ik Stauss says it in game but I cannot verify), but loansharking is 100% illegal today so pls dont try it unless you wanna go to prison
@@Aleks-ot5ns yeah. My comment was intended as a parallel. Loaning has become much safer today, but if you take a loan out from a bank and never pay it back, there’s still consequences.
Pretty sure usury has been illegal for a long time.
@@Aleks-ot5nsusury is still legal
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Karen and Mary Beth were involved in crime. Mary Beth is in a stage coach robbery crew and Karen is in a bank heist crew
Abigail kills a man to save Arthur's life, and while she didn't do much in RDR 2, she was a hooker in her past
Keiran kills a man to save Arthur, and before Van Der Linde he was an O'Dsiscoll making him at the very least an acomplice
Micah... well Micah is Micah. Massacred Strawberry, carried out robberies, involved in shootouts etc, a bunch of violent crimes
John, Bill, Lenny, Charles and Javier, robberies and murder throughout the game
Sean didn't do much before he got popped, but still train robbery, shooting lawmen and I don't remember if it was Sean or Javier that robbed that shack where you got a double action revolver
Sadie killed people
Tilly was an acomplice in the Foreman massacre
Hosea, while he wasn't involved in much violent crime (there's the attack on the Braithwaite manor, not sure if he did anything else violent) he was a fraud and a scammer, he stole that coach from a certain individual's cousin by marriage and was involved in planning stuff in the gang in general
Trelawny built his life around scaming and fraud
Straus lent money
Dutch did everything. Killed, scammed, lied to lawmen, stole, the whole 9 yards
Swanson, Molly, Grimshaw and Pearson were known acomplices because they knew about the gang and didn't report anything to the authorities
The only true non-criminal is Jack because he was a kid when the gang fell apart
It doesn't make much sense to talk about Arthur because some crimes can be written up to him but he may or may not have committed them. He may or may not have robbed people at gun point for example, missions don't force you to rob them
I disagree with the murder of that ordiskoll, because it wasn’t really murders, especially at the time where you could turn the ordiskoll in
also it's implied that Sean killed innocents during the dialogue from RD Online, he says but not directly towards himself that killing innocents gives him a 'nasty feeling' or something like that to which he said
what matters about Arthur is if he's capable of that... by that logic you should equate that towards John elsewell in both Red Dead games
@@godzillazfriction I'm capable of murder and yet I haven't killed anybody and you can't win any lawsuits against me. You don't charge people for what they're *capable of*, you charge them for what they *actually did*. And there are a lot of crimes that Arthur didn't commit during the story but can in free play which murks the waters a lot. There are completely optional homestead robberies, helping prisoners (they'll give you a robbery tip or if they're hostile gang members they'll fight you), encounters in which you end up committing crimes, after Horseshoe Overlook I think you don't need to do any debt collecting and there's a lot of other stuff that you can do but Arthur himself may not have committed
@@justjoe5373 but 'how' do you exactly know that Arthur himself wouldn't (may not) commit despite him enjoying the torment of others both physically and mentally especially key lore details about his character that would make sense for him to do.
you do realise that Arthur is still an 'established character' just as John was from RDR1...
you're telling me this but ppl choose themselves and not as Arthur to spare the 3 guards (on occasions, ppl either spare or knock out the O'driscol that you beat in chapter 1) even though Arthur himself as well as Lenny killed almost every single guard from the train robbery, how does it make sense within Arthur's (established) character to spare thr 3 guards especially sparing Jimmy Brooks despite him being a very dangerous nuisance for the gang itself who just got their feet properly together amd guess what happens when you choose the 'kill' option against Brooks, Arthur gave an evil chuckle as he fell to his death...
how does it make sense within Arthur's character to help that poor old man who his horses strayed away from his stagecoach from the 1st Uncle mission to get to Valentine...
i could go on and on but i think you already get the idea
For the record bill was discharged from the army for attacking his commanding officer
John is pardoned canonically, so he loses all crimes before rdr1, he is then pardoned again before he was killed so he’s bottom
I feel Abigail should be higher considering she killed Milton. Murdering an officer (if the pinkertons can be called that) isn’t a light crime
Not bumping Abigail up more is WILD-- she should at least come after Tilly imo bc she did kill a Pinkerton (not that we like led him anyway but the technical aspect of it according to this list)
Uncle could be Red Harlow so if you go by that theory he's killed quite a few people
"Abigail doesn't really commit any crimes."
Agent Milton: T_T
What about the one shot kid he should be higher and Hosea did the same amount as any of the gang members plus he Jase had more time to do more stuff
Also Sadie broke John out of prison and killed dozens of official officers
I feel like abigail should be in C tier because she killed Milton
Wtf is that jack beating up Arthur mod
who else here waiting for a mission that starts between “6 am or 7 pm”?
I'd have put Micah at number 1
Because yes, Dutch did RUN everything, he also had some code.
Micah killed children and did it for fun
Let's be honest most of our Arthurs and Johns have killed thousands for literally no reason
there is a theory out there that Uncle is Red Harlow from Red dead Revolver if so he can be higher on the list
He’s not sadly
In the first game Dutch did say Abigale was a prostitute, which I guess would be a crime but not as bad as the others
Was it even a crime back then?
@@derpeth2101 probably not, maybe to some people who are really traditional
the fact that Molly is straight up in the Saint tier already make the mome when she is killed even worse as she legit basically didnt deserve it, i mean already she didnt deserve it but now youre just adding salt to the wound of how bad the others were for thinking so badly of her!
I really dont understand how you forgot that Abigail puts Milton on a t-shirt considering how important that mission is to the story. Also I think Micah should be ahead of Dutch. Yes if we are talking strictly numbers Dutch has committed more counts of crimes, but first Micah is a predator and second he kills a buuunch more innocent people (Dutch kills two, three if you wanna consider Cornwall innocent). Also lets not forget he is a Rat so he commits both unforgivable crimes in the eyes of regular people and criminals
You should have had a con man tier just for Josiah
13:16 RIP
Pearson could be charged with Aiding and Abetting.