I've had first person experience with both calibers in lethal encounters. There is no comparison in stopping power of the 357 mag. That 357 mag terminated the fire fight immediately. The 9mm, with almost identical bullet placement, still allowed the actor to return fire. Requiring additional follow up shots. This a grim subject and should not be discussed lightly. Just my opinion. Paul, that was a very professional presentation. Good Work!
Do you think it’s safe to say that it was the bigger caliber or was it just shot placement ? Because one scenario doesn’t mean that 357 has more one stop shots. Someone else could get on here n say well I one stopped someone with a 9mm before. Someone’s gonna say they’ve seen a one shot with a 22 you know. I think it’s hard to compare based on one or two scenarios
There was probably a fake news article claiming the 9mm is the most deadly cartridge but they don't take the widespread popularity of 9mm handguns into account compared to others. I had a statistics class in college and depending on what you put in or leave out you can make up just about anything and say its statistically Proven, which is a favorite thing of the fake news media to do. For example, Eating ice cream is statistically linked to drowning deaths. Idiots will be afraid to eat ice cream ever again, but in reality its just because more ice cream is eaten in warm weather and people swim more in warm weather. Technically its a true statement but the correct statement would be warm weather is linked to drowning deaths.
.357 seems like a best all around pistol round. Lots of power, swappable with .38, reasonable recoil, good in carbines and a variety of bullet weights.
You should mention that it’s a one-way swap: .38 Special is happy in a .357 receiver. The casing of.357 (Thankfully) won’t fit in a.38 Special, or the would probably be numerous reports of cylinders exploding! You just *know* that some idiot would try it, like those who put smokeless power in cap and ball black powder revolvers! 😅
@@monkmoto1887Definitely and not only that but they are also priced similar too. Only big difference is that 10mm is harsher on the gun than 357 Mag is.
When I watch his videos, I feel like I applied for a job, got the job, went to orientation and watched a training video. This guy really makes you interested in listening. His wide range of vocabulary and soft speech really drives his intellect into over drive. Also, I wonder if he can pull a new car out of his jacket pocket. That thing is magic.
@@mychevysparkevdidntcatchfi1489 I've shot a lot with 9mm semis, and not a whole lot with my 357, but hitting shots is way easier with my revolver even with super hot (like 125gr at 1800fps hot) loads than any 9mm I've used or owned. As always, it is more about what you are comfortable with than anything else.
Allen Atkins I was shot with a 22 and that was not fun either, luckily for me the round had passed through a hard target before striking me in the thigh.
*two grocery clerks on look from a distance* GC1: "Hey, who's that guy? Hes here like three times a week." GC2: "I have no idea , but he must really like pork ribs and watermelon."
@@ivangucec9508 you nailed it. I love both, and if I can grill some pork ribs and eat some watermelon while shooting ribs and watermelon, that is the kitties titties.
Thank you. Received my first 357 at 15 yrs old, a retired Indiana State Police issue handed down. Have carried a Ruger 357 full time since my 18th birthday. In 45 yrs the caliber has never let me down.
This is much like the 10mm crowd who was claiming 10mm was just as powerful as the 44magnum. While 10mm is a great cartridge, it's not as powerful at the 44mag, not even close. Same as 9mm vs 357magnum. The magnum always wins. Best gun channel on youtube.
"Don't try this at home, I'm what you'd call a professional" when you read that it sounds cocky but when I hear you say it in the video it doesn't sound that way at all. I really appreciate your perspectives and the amount of time and effort you put into making this. You clearly are very knowledgable and I really enjoyed this video.
357 is a beast! Both will get the job done. People like 9's for the amount of ammo they carry. Carry what you want, just practice and be good with it. A well placed 22 is more effective than a 357 that misses.
A lot of LE agencies rushed to the 9mm for more rounds and ease of shooting for smaller (femalE / MALE) Officers. I carried a .357 revolver for the first few years of my LE career and NEVER felt i was "outgunned".
Grow up son, there's no need for immature vulgarity. Notice Paul does not act this way, which should give you a clue how a real man of moral character conducts himself.
TheFew: Wrong. That middle finger was fully intentional and meant for comedic effect. You sound a little uptight, you should learn how to relax or you're gonna pop a vein. Hopefully Paul chimes in here and removes all doubt.
And .44 Remington Magnum is a beast compared to .357 Magnum. I shoot well with all three, including the 9mm. I prefer to carry .357 Magnum as concealed carry, simply because a single shot will drop an assailant more effectively than 9mm. i.e. I only need to shoot 'Once', in a typical self defense scenario with just one assailant.
@@InfBerBat143 it physically cannot keep up with the .357, the bullet weights and longer case capacity will always give the .357 mag an edge over the 9mm and it's variants. While there may overlap that doesn't translate to both cartridges loaded to their full potential.
I’ve only just found this channel in the past couple of days, but I have to say I love the content. No BS, no flash, no agenda, just the facts as they exist. More content should be like this.
I can still remember shooting a .357 magnum for the first time on pistol night at my local range. The difference in power was obvious and astounding...bought one the next week.
Bought an 8 inch 357 for hunting. Some yrs later got a 2 inch for carry. At indoor range, the range officer quickly came to see what I was shooting. The sound, muzzle flash, & recoil is attention getting. Now use 38 special in the 2". Much more easy to control.
My dad and his best friend/gun dealer back in ‘89 selected a Ruger Security Six 6” .357 mag as my first gun. I was somewhat disappointed as I wanted a semi. 30 years later....Thanks to both I hold that firearm as my personal favorite for both power, accuracy and reliability. Its also nice at the range to shoot .38 special. Love the .357 mag caliber.
My favorite firearm is my first handgun, at 14, a S&W M27, 6.5" barrel. I've had it 50 years, and it's still the most impressive, accurate, and beautiful gun of all. I've cloverleafed 5/6 shots, with a flyer 2" high, at 15 yards. I sighted it in at 50 yards. No question about the psychological effects of it, either.
@@richardsilva-spokane3436 just think how pissed off she would be if she asked him to pickup pork ribs and watermelon for the party she was throwing. But he figured he was getting ready for his next video and instead of taking them home for her he shoots them instead. Would that qualify for someone sleeping on the couch or filling for divorce?
Great video Paul! Thanks for dispelling the ridiculous myths going around. No way a 9mm will ever approach the power of a 357. You showed this with concrete, clear and repeatable tests and explained everything thoroughly. Thank you. Great channel
Yes, I'm doing the same - watching videos made before the government stripped away our God-given rights and we could get out and make a buck. Video watching is my occupation since totalitarianism hit.
The kinetic energy (KE) of the rounds as tested show the .357 generates between 1.4 to 1.7 times the KE of the 9mm. Effectiveness is more complex, as ability to hit the target in a vital spot is key. But assuming all else being equal, 0357 is much more powerful.
i'm getting 1300 fps out of 185 grains with 45 acp. i know 1400 fps is doable @ 185, but i don't want to stress the pistol like that because the fireball is real. 5" govt 1911 btw
This entire comment section wins TH-cam, just too funny. You know you're a success when you draw a good quality crowd like this: respectful AND humorous.
@@becomematrix I wouldn't call it fairly large. But it does allow you to get a full purchase on the grip. It's easily concealable in the waistband with good holsters.
been binge-watching Paul's video for the last 2 days as we just had a training at work about articulateness and i have always admired how he gets his message across clearly. Rest easy Paul.
Yeah it's the music intro, outro and his speaking, appearance and clothing. But I really like it. Pauls videos has this raw educational quality. Like retro instruction videos.
Hickock45 did a review of the Ruger .450 Bushmaster rifle. One shot from that into a cinder block completely powdered the middle of the block, and the intact top piece just fell straight down. Devastating!
You citing what you have personally used and tested, and showing it to us, is why your channel is the best. I have a Security Six .357 like yours (from about 1971) , but I carry a snub-nosed thirty-eight most of the time, and otherwise a G26 (9mm). .357 IS a very powerful cartridge, but not so practical for me, unless I'm walking in the woods, which isn't all that often.
I did not hear him say it was not as practical. I must have missed that, Roy. I heard him say more powerful and effective, but that was in reference to the .357. Reloading and more magazine capacity is for those who miss more shots than Paul, it appears. Personally, I am a terrible shot at 25 yards with a sidearm, but I think I can hit a 3" target while flustered at 21 feet without my glasses.
Thanks sir - I own both 357 and 9mm and like both - but the 357 does seem to have the edge on raw power and I concur with your demonstration results. Thanks - always a great presentation!
I’ve personally taken gallon water jugs and froze them; then put samples of level 2 ballistic vests taped on to them and tested various ammunition. The 357 always did the most damage out of calibers that are primarily accepted as personal defense calibers. The vest always stopped the round; but the ice was destroyed! 🤠
I remember reading one in depth analysis of police involved shootings with different calibers and the results. The "best" was apparently a 125 grain projectile out of a .357, with a 96% "one-stop shot" result.
Can you imagine how neat and organised every aspect of this man's life is? I bet there is not one dirty dish in his sink, every car is spotlessly clean and polished, Underwear folded.
In plain English, he does not use hype or gimmicks and does not give you any information you don't need. He deep-sixed the premise of 9mm v 357 magnum. 9mm is fine and the shooter can have up to 18 rounds in a magazine. The 357 sig 125 grain is in the neighborhood of a 125 grain 357 magnum but that's it. The 357 Sig holds 15 rounds in a Glock and a 40 cal Glock can be converted to 357 Sig with a barrel and spring change. If 357 magnums had sub $1,000 auto platforms they would be popular. Not everyone has the $$$ to get a Coonan or Desert Eagle.
You are truly a gun professional and your presentations leave no questions unanswered. I wish my former college professors were as thorough about the subject being covered as you are. Keep up the great work..a God fearing patriotic country boy at 82.
I think so many guys are drawn to this channel because although the vids were posted not long ago, the style of video is nostalgic. I know I get that feeling. Brings back memories.
He doesn't bullshit. He brings more to the table in experience and wisdom than anybody else I've seen on TH-cam for firearms. That's why I love the channel.
@@bigol9223 yeah except that there's science behind that fact and even uncle Paul would agree that climate change DOES exist. Yeah, I agree that they sometimes mislead to make it look worse than it is, but denying it completely is idiocy, and you make all gun owners look bad by doing it. You really think that every scientist today is collectively working together for some conspiracy? That's as idiotic as saying the 9 is more powerful than the .357.
Great demonstration. Thank you Paul. 357mag for the win. I was a kid in the 1960's. I was always in awe of the 357 when dad took us kids to Saunders Heights; our small town shooting range, and someone would pull out a 357 mag pistol. Loud ! I'm talking crowd pleasers for a kid.
When my department (OCSD, CA) went from .38 Special revolver to 9mm semi-auto, I embraced the change. We also went from carrying 18 .38 Special rounds to 46 9mm rounds (as well as more rounds before reloading). Later, the department went from S&W 9mm to Glock 9mm, increasing the payload to 52 rounds of 9mm. Much later, the department went to a 3 pouch magazine carrier. That gave it an even bigger boost to 69 rounds. The biggest advantage was more rounds and quicker reloads. Shortly after getting the 9mm, jacketed hollow point ammunition was approved. The .38 special was the Keith semi-wadcutter and speed loaders were used. Your videos are always done well, professionally and concisely. You are at the top of my short list of reviewers that I prefer.
Depending on your department and the numbers of officers 69 rounds may seem like a lot, and some not enough. Rural officers who may be alone with backup 15 to 30 minutes away wants to be prepared. Always being prepared is how you keep the edge. I knew deputies that carried scoped mini 14's because farmers have scoped deer rifles and more. I knew others who only had shotguns. That's the way the world is. Its becoming more violent and the officers must be prepared to meet those threats. Next time you have to call 911 think about those officers there to help you or to help another. To assume they will be "throwing around 9mm in every direction" is asinine.
I love how you guys have that quote above the firing range " speed is good but acurracy is everything" by Wyatt Earp if i am correct...SAPD and OCSD good at law enforcement and community relations
I haven't commented on any of your videos, but it's not because I don't admire your skills and analysis, which are comprehensive, accurate and freaking funny! Very entertaining and informative. You sir are an excellent instructor.
The rules for handgun ammunition. 1 get the biggest calibre you can accurately shoot. 2. Get the heaviest bullet weight in that calibre 3. Make it a hollowpoint but remember they only expand 60% of the time. Handgun ammunition is low velocity ie less than 2100 fps medium velocity as in rifles is 2100fps to 4100 fps anything over that is Hypervelocity. Interesting history note, the 357 magnum started out as a hot 38 special in a Smith and Wesson 44 special frame. . This 38 Special ammunition was capable of firing a 158-grain copper-tipped lead-alloy bullet at 1,125 feet per second this was in 1930. In 1934 work on the hot 38 special case morphed into the .357 cartridge, It featured a .125-inch longer case than the .38 Spl. and launched a 158-grain bullet at 1,515 fps from an 8 3/4-inch barrel. A year later, Smith & Wesson introduced the revolver to contain this new mighty beast the Model 27. Whilst i am rambling on, It is believed the 357 case was made .125 inch longer to fit in more powder while you may be able to fit in more powder the main reason was safety to prevent hi powered .357 bullets being loaded into weaker 38 special revolvers.
Back just before you released this video, I was standing at the ammo counter with a fellow buying 9x19 self defense ammunition for about $1/round. I tried, in vain, to convince him that .357mag was better and only cost about $0.60/round. Even economically it's a better bang for your buck.
.357 more powerful 9mm is effective, somewhat less likely to over penetrate, easier on the hands to shoot, less expensive ( you can practice more ), usually in a semi-auto that holds more ammo and is faster to reload, and a bit easier to conceal. If it is a defensive weapon, select the one that gives you the best chance of getting a round on target.
You are right on, with the 9mm vs .357 comparison. But those who think the 9mm can come close to the .357 don't know the 9mm history. Back when the US military was looking for a more powerful handgun, to replace the .38 spl, the 9mm was rated below the .38 spl. That was when the military selected the .45 acp. That is still the case today. The 9mm is inferior to the .38 spl. As such, it can never compare with the .357. So you can wonder why when in recent times the military was looking to replace the .45 acp, how did we get back to the weak 9mm? They were looking for a semi-auto pistol, and I think they were looking for a modern design. So that may be why they bypassed the .38 super in the same old Colt 1911 pistol. The .38 super uses the same bullet as the 9mm, but out performs the 9mm in every bullet weight. The .38 super has very near .357 performance in each bullet weight used by the 9mm. I have seen some ammo company ballistic data show high velocity 9mm loads out performing the .38 super. But that was only because they didn't show the .38 super in the high velocity format for the same bullet weight. I laugh everytime I hear some 9mm shooter claim the 9mm out perform any higher caliber. I will always carry a .38 super over the 9mm any day.
Thanks Paul. Ive gone back to carrying .357 mag for this reason. And, I'm actually using the same ammo used here. Old tech, still effective. Of most self defense rounds, I think and its been said that .357 magnum has the best potential to cause a 1 shot stop. This clearly shows why.
When this guy pulls the snubby out of his pocket, I immediately imagined him in a dark alley, calmly speaking to someone attempting a robbery, and doing exactly that. Loved this video and the thought out information. Thank you for this
Sir this demonstration is amazing, I enjoyed this 100%. The meat target is the best example on the web of how effective a bullet can be, IMO at least. The .357 is just simply a far more powerful bullet. When you use the word "effective" as the other guy you mentioned did, that opens a whole new can of worms. I feel something like a Ruger LCR in .22LR can be totally "effective" for a self defense weapon, even though obviously the "power" isn't anywhere close at all to either of these two calibers you just demonstrated.
This morning I had a self-defense situation, not with a person but with an adult male black bear (that we believe was rabid), and I was very happy that I was carrying a .357 Mag (w/ StJHP). In fact, the only thing that would have made me happier was carrying my .44 Mag. It charged me and I got off 3 shots before it started to slow and pitch ~9 meters away, and then I emptied the revolver into the target and reloaded with a speed loader. The shot that made the difference was a hit right above its right eye, I believe it was the 2nd, that fully penetrated into its skull. I'm not sure a 9mm would have been enough to stop it before it reached me. BTW, practice, practice, practice combat reloads. I was pleased that I reloaded smoothly (for me) without even really thinking about it, due to lots of practice.
Glad you survived to tell the tale. I have been trying to decide what firearm would be best for my first. Still undecided but the information is very helpful. Thank you!
@@IluvinortheIneffable For a first gun? Yes, hard to say, if you want a one and done gun, yea, a 9mm or higher, but if you plan on getting more guns, a 9mm is good for learning how to shoot, it's a middle ground, ammo isn't as expensive, and you get decent training with recoil and so on, but, there's also .22s out there, you won't really learn how to shoot bigger guns, but if you want to have fun or throw a million round down range to learn how to aim and how to deal with malfunctions(I've never had a many malfunctions as i do on my 22s) and not lay awake at night thinking about your wallet, you'll definitely get what you want there
Lol dude my guy you’re talking about a full grown adult bear that’s 10×20 times stronger than the average adult male that’s like talking about a primate a monkey they’re a lot stronger than the average male and a little stronger than I physically and shape mail anyways the average objective that you would really be up against in risky defensive bad situation is an adult male or female you don’t really need a real powerful gun like that to stop a wimpy objective pretty much one shot from any gun. The average purple if it can hit the target depen what person has heha lol but hey I love mr my negs bby^ and ong so I ight mad at u
Theory meets practice. Great video. Since Paul is firing essentially the same projectile at a much higher velocity from the .357, you'd expect the real world results Paul got. For me, it boils down to auto vs revolver. "You be the judge".
Another Great Presentation! I just ordered a Ruger GP100 357 magnum with a 4” barrel today. I had the tracking number before I even got home from my FFL !! Doing the Happy Dance!
Came up so I had to watch it again. Still a great video. The .357 Magnum, regardless of whatever personal preference or pseudo science, in the 125 grain semi jacketed hollow point flavor, still holds its own, even after all these years. The round is not for the faint of heart, which is why we have softer shooting autoloaders.
I've been carrying one for 20+ years. You can't carry a more reliable firearm, in my opinion . I figure, if you need more than 5 rounds , you're in way over your head.
Do yourself a favor and find a way to test fire a snub nose .357 before you buy one. It's a lot of recoil when fired out of a small weapon and you may not be able to shoot it accurately (depending on your size, build, and experience level).
I carry a 360pd in .357 and while the recoil from a negative gravity gun is outrageous I highly recommend hornady snub nose specific ammo that uses a super fast burning powder that does help a lot with muzzle blast concussive recoil and uses a 125 grain projectile that is also more manageable than 158 grain and still maintains a 1400 +- velocity vs 38+p at around 900.
I own .45ACP. .357Magnum and 9mm, but I always grab the 9mm for concealed carry, just because it fits more comfortably and I'll actually wear it for everyday carry. I'll take one of the larger calibers if out hiking the remote high country, etc. where I can carry openly.
I do the same. If I go out to my land, I take my .357. It’s a Ruger GP100 w/ a 4” barrel. I know it’ll drop a charging hog or cougar in one or two shots. For EDC, I usually carry a 9mm, .38 loaded w/ +p, or a .380. I’ll always have a .22LR or WMR as a back up, regardless. Great for poisonous snakes on the land or just a last-ditch back-up. I usually home carry my .38 or .22WMR. Now I’m interested in a .357 snub nose for EDC after watching this video lol
Thank you for taking the time to do these tests. It's great information for those folks trying to decide what to carry for defensive purposes. I'm a wheel gun guy, carrying a 357 everyday...and no mater what the threat...I know I have enough gun to make sure I get home at the end of the day.
i can tell you a 12 guage, a 30-30, and 30-06 are VERY effective on anything flying, climbing, walking, running or slithering in the woods where i live.
I can carry my 9x19 and 357 short barrels without violating state carry law and without everyone around knowing I have a firearm. None of my 12 guage shotguns can be concealed as described in state law, as is the case with any of my rifles as all have legal length barrels. The point of this program has alot to do with concealed carry. Another good video from Paul.
Hello Paul my name is M E Wilson SR. I just want to say what a great presentation that you have put together and put out here online I really appreciate it and it taught me a lot about the reasoning and testing on Firearms thank you so much and I look forward to your next publication thank you so much!!
Shooting a .22LR indoors without hearing protection is a stupid idea, much less .357mag. Put a pair of amplified hearing protection muffs next to your nightstand. When that bump happens in the night, the first thing you do is pop on the muffs and turn up the volume. Then grab your iron.
I don't own a firearm. It's a consideration though. I find your videos to be the most informative and helpful in my considerations. I love how you call stupid, "stupid" without using the word "stupid" too. I think in consideration of firearms for home protection in apartments or in neighborhoods you have to think about just enough power to stop an intruder or bad guy with minimal pass through of a projectile. Protecting your own with minimal risk to others.
Proper defensive ammunition and shot placement will help to mitigate much of that risk. In a nation ripe with litigation I do understand your point. It’d be a tragedy to defend your life only to find that you injured or killed another by accident. Train and create a plan of action. My advice is to get the gun; better to have it and not need it.
So, if i did that, when SHTF I'd not be sure if the gun in my hand has a safety or not. Pick one great gun that you, your wife, your adult children love, buy everyone that model, pick one bullet, buy everyone a box. When SHTF , your family may all hunker down in one house and all will know how to operate everyone's piece. Like armies do it. One gun only ? That's all the nam sgt gave me , i gave it back a year later.
357 mag edges the Sig pretty handily in the 125 gr load but where the comparison ends are the heavier loads of 158 to 180. 357 mag all day, every day. However in terms of the high capacity auto loader design of the Sig, it wins the comparison in the long run due to speed of use and shootability. IMHO.
btube325 ~ oh right! The old “only on paper” argument. I can tell you facts, hard ones at that. Underwood’s 180 gr hard cast gas check 357 load clocks a tick over 1400 FPS from my 4” 686+. This is making a crushing 780lb ft of energy. Am I missing something? Do you know of a comparible 357 Sig load? On paper maybe? Get real, son...
Paul- you have the hands down most informative gun channel on TH-cam. Heck if I count your Zombie video maybe the most informative dental health channel as well. Thank you for the videos and knowledge.
Outstanding demostration paul. I have both 357 and 9mm. My edc during the week i carry my either my taurus 509 9mm revolver or my glock 19. Both loaded with gold dot +p. And for my weekend adventures like night fishing or camping i carry my 6 inch ruger GP100 IN 357 MAG. I load it with buffalo bore jhp. It gets a little spooky around 1am in the woods by myself lol. Never know sasquatch could be real 😆
I've watched this particular presentation a few times. Still as informative and entertaining. The issue that strikes me as having high significance is defining the parameters of performance for the elements of focus- The specific firearms utilized; cartridge configuration, strategy or tactics, ad astra. Paul and very few others across the YT universe provide the viewers with objective information with attention retaining presentation. Subjective views are kept to a minimum and are primarily used to fill in gaps that data or statistics can not adequately address. I've been impressed as to how Mr. H. and his crew manage to produce presentations on a regular basis when many other production 'companies' run out of ways to grow the audience after a few dozen episodes.
My two favorite channels are Paul Harrell and The Yankee Marshal. I watch Yankee for comedic relief and I watch Mr. Harrell for science. I came to this specific video because Yankee loves his 357 revolvers and I knew I could trust Mr Harrell to show me why.
Yankee marshall is the gun channel you subscribe to when you are a complete noob and just bought your first gun. As soon as you get an ounce of training and experience with firearms you realize he is consistantly full a shit and a drama queen at that.
I think the Yankee has some very valid points on a lot of gun topics, and I respect him a lot. Also, yes he is a very humorous guy. I love his music theme at the start and end of his videos. Very catchy tune.
Paul Harrell is definitely my #1 favorite gun guys one TH-cam 💯 he explains things very well, is very knowledgeable I just love watching his videos! Always answers my questions without me still wondering at the end. Thank you sir! 👍👏👏
Army Vet to Army Vet, I LOVE your channel sir. Very practical and straight forward information with descriptions, and comparisons. You let the real time results speak for themselves. 💯
@@jethrobodeen88 No sir. Those awards that come on during the video intro are Army awards. The rifle in the blue box with the wreath is the Army Combat Infantryman Badge or "CIB", and the badge right below it is the Army Air Assault badge. He also has Army marksmanship badges on the top rows. He also talks about his time in the Army, and how he witnessed the Army change from the 1911 to the M9 in one of his videos.
Maybe someone saw a 357 magnum revolver loaded with 38 caliber ammo being fired and thought the performance looked weaker than their 9mm pistol? Because just the the cartridge size difference between a round of 9x19 and a round of 357 magnum should be pretty obvious.
@Lock Bresnar Lethality is irrelevant in 99% of self-defense scenarios, stopping the target is. So the fact that both cartridges kill the same amount of people %-wise is a non-factor.
My SP101 snub has been my daily carry gun for almost 5 years now. Loaded with Hornady Critical Duty 125gr. Then I got same weight Critical Defense on speed strips.
I have the 3 inch SP101. It's my backup while hunting and my primary when hiking. I have it loaded with beast loads from Underwood or Buffalo Bore. Not even in the same universe as a 9mm.
To think that a 9mm is packing more power than a .357 is delusional. Ammo capacity is where the 9 shines. Of course It will do the job from a defensive perspective, but the 357 will do alot more damage blow for blow. This was a very well put together demonstration that proved it.
In the end, it's a moot point. Both rounds will do the job. The old 125 grain SJHP .357 Magnum was a legend in its day for being highly effective on the street. The 9mm today is very excellent with so many great bullet designs we've got for it, too.
While watching these older videos I realize how much I’m going to miss you Paul. RIP. ❤
Right there with ya.
Paul video was relevant 6 years ago and still is relevant today. This man is a legend.
In one year your first comment will not be accurate. But your second comment will remain true.
I’m really really going to miss this guy…I’ve watched him so much that he seems like a good friend or a family member who you enjoy visiting..
Truly is sad. His videos were always relaxing
I've had first person experience with both calibers in lethal encounters. There is no comparison in stopping power of the 357 mag. That 357 mag terminated the fire fight immediately. The 9mm, with almost identical bullet placement, still allowed the actor to return fire. Requiring additional follow up shots. This a grim subject and should not be discussed lightly. Just my opinion. Paul, that was a very professional presentation. Good Work!
Do you think it’s safe to say that it was the bigger caliber or was it just shot placement ? Because one scenario doesn’t mean that 357 has more one stop shots. Someone else could get on here n say well I one stopped someone with a 9mm before. Someone’s gonna say they’ve seen a one shot with a 22 you know. I think it’s hard to compare based on one or two scenarios
Holy shit dude where do you live?
He said actor?is he sarcastic? Not sure how to read in to this
@@Stretch213 bad actor I believe. Not film actor
@@Stretch213 you’re thinking too hard
"I found their methods sloppy and their conclusions highly questionable."
Paul Harrell's way of saying: "Those guys were friggin' idiots..."
I wonder who they were...
Ghostbusters !
Paul is shooting watermelons and guessing that damage looks similar
There was probably a fake news article claiming the 9mm is the most deadly cartridge but they don't take the widespread popularity of 9mm handguns into account compared to others. I had a statistics class in college and depending on what you put in or leave out you can make up just about anything and say its statistically Proven, which is a favorite thing of the fake news media to do. For example, Eating ice cream is statistically linked to drowning deaths. Idiots will be afraid to eat ice cream ever again, but in reality its just because more ice cream is eaten in warm weather and people swim more in warm weather. Technically its a true statement but the correct statement would be warm weather is linked to drowning deaths.
@@mattwalters6834 CNN
“🖕🏻 that’s just not true.”
Paul you just became my hero.
Paul been my hero and thats just true.
At 5:44, I saw that too😂
Yeah I caught that too.
Perfect 👌🏻
I saw that! 1 that's just not true....LOL
You're my favorite youtuber Paul. No politics, no bullshit, just guns.
thumbs up to your comment all the way
If I could only give this more than one thumbs up.
Agree 100%
Everything is political. Imo
Anchor Bait LOL that is ridiculous. I think Paul has an answer for that. It's at 5:42
.357 seems like a best all around pistol round. Lots of power, swappable with .38, reasonable recoil, good in carbines and a variety of bullet weights.
You should mention that it’s a one-way swap: .38 Special is happy in a .357 receiver. The casing of.357 (Thankfully) won’t fit in a.38 Special, or the would probably be numerous reports of cylinders exploding! You just *know* that some idiot would try it, like those who put smokeless power in cap and ball black powder revolvers! 😅
10mm is much better. 44mag is just unfair
@@WattsUpTez10mm 10mm is basically a 357 in an autoloader when you look at the ballistics across bullet weights they compare well
@@monkmoto1887Definitely and not only that but they are also priced similar too. Only big difference is that 10mm is harsher on the gun than 357 Mag is.
Oh, another idiot that dont know what "all around" means
When I watch his videos, I feel like I applied for a job, got the job, went to orientation and watched a training video. This guy really makes you interested in listening. His wide range of vocabulary and soft speech really drives his intellect into over drive. Also, I wonder if he can pull a new car out of his jacket pocket. That thing is magic.
U must have an interesting job if you liked your training videos
@@walterwilliams1791 you must have the opposite if you don't like yours.. its really about learning now, isn't it ??
Love how you put the best 9mm ammo against the worst .357 ammo to really drive the point home.
That 125 grain Remington load has been the gold standard .357 magnum since the 1970s.
@Nytmstr What about Underwood's +P loads with copper slugs?
9mm is easier to shoot than 357. It's especially so in compact carry. For personal protection, power means nothing if you can't hit the target.
@@curtislynch8189 Don't know about the gun shops near you but, in my area, 158 grain 357 loads are more common than the 125.
@@mychevysparkevdidntcatchfi1489 I've shot a lot with 9mm semis, and not a whole lot with my 357, but hitting shots is way easier with my revolver even with super hot (like 125gr at 1800fps hot) loads than any 9mm I've used or owned.
As always, it is more about what you are comfortable with than anything else.
I was hit with a .32 acp, I can attest I don't like being shot.
Harry Peterson I’m thinking you should retry that as an adult !!!
I was hit my a 7.62 :( went straight thru muscle tho got lucky. Off topic I know but I don't get to share it often. Awkward conversation starter :)
Did you survive?
Negativity if you brought that up in conversation with someone they might say “weird flex but okay.”
Allen Atkins I was shot with a 22 and that was not fun either, luckily for me the round had passed through a hard target before striking me in the thigh.
Watched it again now that he’s gone.
Paul you were the best
*two grocery clerks on look from a distance*
GC1: "Hey, who's that guy? Hes here like three times a week."
GC2: "I have no idea , but he must really like pork ribs and watermelon."
And those soda jugs, he drinks 20 gallons a week.
GC1: "Cool jacket though."
GC2: "Oh absolutely."
Meanwhile the clerks at Homedepot think he's building a wall two blocks at a time
But then again, who doesnt really like pork ribs and watermelon...
@@ivangucec9508 you nailed it. I love both, and if I can grill some pork ribs and eat some watermelon while shooting ribs and watermelon, that is the kitties titties.
Thank you. Received my first 357 at 15 yrs old, a retired Indiana State Police issue handed down. Have carried a Ruger 357 full time since my 18th birthday. In 45 yrs the caliber has never let me down.
This is much like the 10mm crowd who was claiming 10mm was just as powerful as the 44magnum. While 10mm is a great cartridge, it's not as powerful at the 44mag, not even close. Same as 9mm vs 357magnum. The magnum always wins. Best gun channel on youtube.
"Don't try this at home, I'm what you'd call a professional" when you read that it sounds cocky but when I hear you say it in the video it doesn't sound that way at all. I really appreciate your perspectives and the amount of time and effort you put into making this. You clearly are very knowledgable and I really enjoyed this video.
357 is a beast! Both will get the job done. People like 9's for the amount of ammo they carry. Carry what you want, just practice and be good with it. A well placed 22 is more effective than a 357 that misses.
A lot of LE agencies rushed to the 9mm for more rounds and ease of shooting for smaller (femalE / MALE) Officers. I carried a .357 revolver for the first few years of my LE career and NEVER felt i was "outgunned".
@@MC-td4ol 357's aren't too snappy. My 11 yr old likes to shoot mine.
If both .22 LR and .357 hit the same point ,I'm pick .357 for sure.
martin conte Did you ever have to actually shoot?
Brian Partlow duh
"One that's just not true" raise middle finger*
You are hilarious Paul Harrell. I enjoy your videos.
BigK heh! noticed that too :))
His humor hits me just right every time. That made me smile lol.
I don't ever want Paul to just tell me one thing ...
Grow up son, there's no need for immature vulgarity. Notice Paul does not act this way, which should give you a clue how a real man of moral character conducts himself.
TheFew: Wrong. That middle finger was fully intentional and meant for comedic effect. You sound a little uptight, you should learn how to relax or you're gonna pop a vein.
Hopefully Paul chimes in here and removes all doubt.
I love how he always has a dozen or so guns in his pockets.
LOL... A dozen or so.... HAHAHAHA!
Paul's shooting blouses are made of felix the cat 60's handbag material
"Paul, what's your EDC?"
"Everything."
his pockets lead directly to Neo's armory in the 1st Matrix
He has all the guns in his pockets. You only see a dozen because that's all he chooses to use for any given demonstration.
Sadly in Australia all we have for personal protection is Nerf Blasters (I didn't say Nerf Gun because that flags the comment)
Try hollow point Nerf darts. Feel for you. Waiting for my CCW permit to arrive.
@@wes326 Many people ask me what's in my nightstand. When I say nothing they are shocked and then ask how can I protect my family.
I'd hit like, but I don't like what happened in your country.
Lol
Leo! I watched your Thomas videos as a kid!
Why does it feel like Paul and his videos were transported from 1982?
This is much higher-quality video than you would have seen in 1982.
Because his magical hunting jacket gives him time travel superpowers.
I had my 9mm, and my .357 out today. Uh..... No comparison. Period. Not that a 9mm is weak, but the .357 is a beast.
Jamie Sloan lol. Right???? Shoot both. If you have questions after that, just carry a 22. Lol
lol "weak"
And .44 Remington Magnum is a beast compared to .357 Magnum. I shoot well with all three, including the 9mm. I prefer to carry .357 Magnum as concealed carry, simply because a single shot will drop an assailant more effectively than 9mm. i.e. I only need to shoot 'Once', in a typical self defense scenario with just one assailant.
@@InfBerBat143 it physically cannot keep up with the .357, the bullet weights and longer case capacity will always give the .357 mag an edge over the 9mm and it's variants. While there may overlap that doesn't translate to both cartridges loaded to their full potential.
Don't make it complicated and just carry a .45
"One: That's just not true" as he extends his middle finger. Gotta love it!
I’ve only just found this channel in the past couple of days, but I have to say I love the content. No BS, no flash, no agenda, just the facts as they exist. More content should be like this.
I can still remember shooting a .357 magnum for the first time on pistol night at my local range. The difference in power was obvious and astounding...bought one the next week.
@Austin Duke LOL
Did you wait so long because you were waiting for enough hearing to return that you could interact with the clerk at your LGS?
357 in a big gun is fun. Not so sure how fun in a snubbie
Bought an 8 inch 357 for hunting. Some yrs later got a 2 inch for carry. At indoor range, the range officer quickly came to see what I was shooting. The sound, muzzle flash, & recoil is attention getting. Now use 38 special in the 2". Much more easy to control.
I bought the wrong gun because I listened too much to "stopping power" zealots. The fact is, the gun you can shoot better is the better gun.
If you want real stopping power get a shotgun.
The most effective, in my opinion, is the gun you are comfortable with and the one you can actually put rounds on the target.
Robert Norman very true. But you can learn to shoot 12 gauge buckshot well.
You can change loads, but guns are easy to sell so consider getting something you do want.
@@oklahomahank2378 Yeah, but every time I carry my shotgun concealed I get strange looks for some reason. Especially when I appendix carry.
My dad and his best friend/gun dealer back in ‘89 selected a Ruger Security Six 6” .357 mag as my first gun. I was somewhat disappointed as I wanted a semi. 30 years later....Thanks to both I hold that firearm as my personal favorite for both power, accuracy and reliability. Its also nice at the range to shoot .38 special. Love the .357 mag caliber.
My favorite firearm is my first handgun, at 14, a S&W M27, 6.5" barrel. I've had it 50 years, and it's still the most impressive, accurate, and beautiful gun of all. I've cloverleafed 5/6 shots, with a flyer 2" high, at 15 yards. I sighted it in at 50 yards.
No question about the psychological effects of it, either.
Imagine being Mr. Harrell's significant other never being able to find a blanket without a bullet hole in it
Nah, Paul almost definitely has a sewing kit and spool of thread in one of those pockets for on the fly repairs
…or pork ribs, for that matter 😆
She covers up with high tech fleece?😁🤣
@@richardsilva-spokane3436 just think how pissed off she would be if she asked him to pickup pork ribs and watermelon for the party she was throwing. But he figured he was getting ready for his next video and instead of taking them home for her he shoots them instead. Would that qualify for someone sleeping on the couch or filling for divorce?
He saved her life by putting a bullet hole in her would be murderer, so I’m sure she copes well with the blanket situation.
Great video Paul! Thanks for dispelling the ridiculous myths going around. No way a 9mm will ever approach the power of a 357. You showed this with concrete, clear and repeatable tests and explained everything thoroughly. Thank you. Great channel
Except is approached it easily. Both are handgun rounds not designed for power and both are weak.
@Alen725 357 mag is a legal round for deer hunting here. Not sure how you consider that weak.
@@Alen725lmao 357 is NOT weak
@@iCookCrystalMeth LMAO hahahhaha dude its roughly half the power of .223, its a strong round for you? Hahahaha.
@@Alen725 okay carry a handgun in .223 then big guy and leave us alone, we're clearly not worthy of that golden input from depths of your genius
What a great time (corona times) to catch up with all of Paul's video that I have not seen yet.
Beer* time ;)
Yes, I'm doing the same - watching videos made before the government stripped away our God-given rights and we could get out and make a buck. Video watching is my occupation since totalitarianism hit.
I assume you are talking about the Mexican beer company? Wink wink
@@danielaramburo7648 Sure, I hope soon we'll be able to have Heineken again, as usual ;)
yet to even discover him in the time of beer is something of itself
The kinetic energy (KE) of the rounds as tested show the .357 generates between 1.4 to 1.7 times the KE of the 9mm. Effectiveness is more complex, as ability to hit the target in a vital spot is key. But assuming all else being equal, 0357 is much more powerful.
i'm getting 1300 fps out of 185 grains with 45 acp. i know 1400 fps is doable @ 185, but i don't want to stress the pistol like that because the fireball is real. 5" govt 1911 btw
@@LIONTAMER3D Buffalo bore has a 357 158gr doing 1700fps..
@@lavongreen6908 everything they do is great; so are underwood, corbon, some doubletap & the classic SB 45 hallowed points lol
@@LIONTAMER3D yes sir
This entire comment section wins TH-cam, just too funny.
You know you're a success when you draw a good quality crowd like this: respectful AND humorous.
I conceal a 9mm every single day. But I also know it's place in the food chain.
What kind of pistol?
@@becomematrix Glock 19 or a Sig P365
@@jra5624 thats a fairly large gun to conceal even but a good gun in that respect.
@@becomematrix I wouldn't call it fairly large. But it does allow you to get a full purchase on the grip. It's easily concealable in the waistband with good holsters.
@@jra5624 yes alright. But as an item for daily carry I would feel constrained with a full size glock.
When I took my concealed carry class the instructor said, "If you want knock down power get a '57 Buick".
He meant "357 Buick". ;0)
Sorry my 64 Rambler downhill just as good.
@Nytmstr that has to be the response on this thread. Ha ha.
Sorry. The best response. Laughing to hard.
Good stuff lol
been binge-watching Paul's video for the last 2 days as we just had a training at work about articulateness and i have always admired how he gets his message across clearly. Rest easy Paul.
I like how your videos give off a 70's vibe
Only if you weren't there. I don't get that at all.
@@craigbenz4835 I see what he's saying.
I’d credit the audio and his speaking for that. Pretty cool.
Yeah it's the music intro, outro and his speaking, appearance and clothing. But I really like it. Pauls videos has this raw educational quality. Like retro instruction videos.
Anyone who actually thought the 9mm. is more powerful than the .357, Paul has this to say to you: 5:43
The body language says it all...
Ha that middle finger. Just noticed it
9mm has no where near the powder so can’t have the power
Ditto. Just noticed the middle finger. Priceless!
Hahahaha. Didn’t notice it until you said something
If Mr. Harrell has taught me anything, it's that I'm taking 44 mag when I go hunting for concrete blocks.
Bwahh hahh hahh hahh
From what I understand cinder blocks are very TRICKY and SNEAKY to hunt. but I understand when they're mounted they look GOOD on the DEN wall
@@joeyoung4121 I got one with my 300 Weatherby magnum, but there was nothing left edible. Plus, the wife vacuumed up my trophy.
Practice making multiple shots, as cinder blocks in the wild are often found in packs.
Hickock45 did a review of the Ruger .450 Bushmaster rifle. One shot from that into a cinder block completely powdered the middle of the block, and the intact top piece just fell straight down. Devastating!
You citing what you have personally used and tested, and showing it to us, is why your channel is the best. I have a Security Six .357 like yours (from about 1971) , but I carry a snub-nosed thirty-eight most of the time, and otherwise a G26 (9mm).
.357 IS a very powerful cartridge, but not so practical for me, unless I'm walking in the woods, which isn't all that often.
nobody cares what guns you own
seth tenrec that is what Paul was saying. .357 weapon choices are not as practical for personal defense as 9mm weapon choices.
A .357 magnum revolver is more able to handle ammo loaded with .38 Special +P+ than a .38 Special.
I did not hear him say it was not as practical. I must have missed that, Roy. I heard him say more powerful and effective, but that was in reference to the .357. Reloading and more magazine capacity is for those who miss more shots than Paul, it appears. Personally, I am a terrible shot at 25 yards with a sidearm, but I think I can hit a 3" target while flustered at 21 feet without my glasses.
Thanks sir - I own both 357 and 9mm and like both - but the 357 does seem to have the edge on raw power and I concur with your demonstration results. Thanks - always a great presentation!
There's really no edge, he's using some pretty weak-loaded 357 ammo
I’ve personally taken gallon water jugs and froze them; then put samples of level 2 ballistic vests taped on to them and tested various ammunition. The 357 always did the most damage out of calibers that are primarily accepted as personal defense calibers. The vest always stopped the round; but the ice was destroyed! 🤠
I got myself a S&W model 19-3 in .357 and I couldn't be happier.
The gun is a beauty and super smooth.
I remember reading one in depth analysis of police involved shootings with different calibers and the results. The "best" was apparently a 125 grain projectile out of a .357, with a 96% "one-stop shot" result.
I believe you are correct. Later
Study by the same author using
Shooting data from 40 cal showed
That it exceeded the 357 one
Shot stop.
Can you imagine how neat and organised every aspect of this man's life is? I bet there is not one dirty dish in his sink, every car is spotlessly clean and polished, Underwear folded.
Simple dispassionate exploration of the facts and practical experience.
This is why Paul's channel is growing at an exponential rate.
(big word user)
In plain English, he does not use hype or gimmicks and does not give you any information you don't need. He deep-sixed the premise of 9mm v 357 magnum. 9mm is fine and the shooter can have up to 18 rounds in a magazine. The 357 sig 125 grain is in the neighborhood of a 125 grain 357 magnum but that's it. The 357 Sig holds 15 rounds in a Glock and a 40 cal Glock can be converted to 357 Sig with a barrel and spring change. If 357 magnums had sub $1,000 auto platforms they would be popular. Not everyone has the $$$ to get a Coonan or Desert Eagle.
People that know math say that 9mm=.357 calibre. It's the powder charge and length of the barrel that matter.
Not to mention how well spoken he is. I don't think he stuttered one time. So fluent
You are truly a gun professional and your presentations leave no questions unanswered. I wish my former college professors were as thorough about the subject being covered as you are. Keep up the great work..a God fearing patriotic country boy at 82.
I think so many guys are drawn to this channel because although the vids were posted not long ago, the style of video is nostalgic.
I know I get that feeling. Brings back memories.
Yup, he's direct and right to point. He's speaks nothing but facts, with his opinion practically absent. This is a very underrated channel.
Yeah .news you can use. Like gun magazines used to be. A long time ago.
Like Bob Ross, but with guns!
He doesn't bullshit. He brings more to the table in experience and wisdom than anybody else I've seen on TH-cam for firearms. That's why I love the channel.
I literally couldn't stop laughing after I read this "Like Bob Ross, but with guns!"
WHY AM I JUST DISCOVERING THIS LEGEND? Been in the gun community since I remember, just learnt so much. Thank you sir!
This guy just has the right personality, I like his videos, hell I like his stories! Thanks for the video Paul
Even the deer come to listen to this man!
"I find their methods sloppy and their conclusion questionable"
I swear I will ind a time and place to use this line
Me when a woke corporation tells me I need to pay more taxes for climate change
Ghostbusters quote?
David Squires rip egon
Any time the Democrats open their mouths is a good time to say it. 👍🇺🇸
@@bigol9223 yeah except that there's science behind that fact and even uncle Paul would agree that climate change DOES exist. Yeah, I agree that they sometimes mislead to make it look worse than it is, but denying it completely is idiocy, and you make all gun owners look bad by doing it. You really think that every scientist today is collectively working together for some conspiracy? That's as idiotic as saying the 9 is more powerful than the .357.
Great demonstration. Thank you Paul.
357mag for the win.
I was a kid in the 1960's. I was always in awe of the 357 when dad took us kids to Saunders Heights; our small town shooting range, and someone would pull out a 357 mag pistol.
Loud ! I'm talking crowd pleasers for a kid.
When my department (OCSD, CA) went from .38 Special revolver to 9mm semi-auto, I embraced the change. We also went from carrying 18 .38 Special rounds to 46 9mm rounds (as well as more rounds before reloading).
Later, the department went from S&W 9mm to Glock 9mm, increasing the payload to 52 rounds of 9mm. Much later, the department went to a 3 pouch magazine carrier. That gave it an even bigger boost to 69 rounds.
The biggest advantage was more rounds and quicker reloads. Shortly after getting the 9mm, jacketed hollow point ammunition was approved. The .38 special was the Keith semi-wadcutter and speed loaders were used.
Your videos are always done well, professionally and concisely. You are at the top of my short list of reviewers that I prefer.
have ben trying to watch evr one of em..
Depending on your department and the numbers of officers 69 rounds may seem like a lot, and some not enough. Rural officers who may be alone with backup 15 to 30 minutes away wants to be prepared. Always being prepared is how you keep the edge. I knew deputies that carried scoped mini 14's because farmers have scoped deer rifles and more. I knew others who only had shotguns. That's the way the world is. Its becoming more violent and the officers must be prepared to meet those threats. Next time you have to call 911 think about those officers there to help you or to help another. To assume they will be "throwing around 9mm in every direction" is asinine.
OldPossum I absolutely disagree and I think you are ill informed and easily swayed by media bias.
I love how you guys have that quote above the firing range " speed is good but acurracy is everything" by Wyatt Earp if i am correct...SAPD and OCSD good at law enforcement and community relations
Most departments are using .40 calibers these days. @OldPossum
I haven't commented on any of your videos, but it's not because I don't admire your skills and analysis, which are comprehensive, accurate and freaking funny! Very entertaining and informative. You sir are an excellent instructor.
I'm waiting for the "Cookin' with Paul" segment , featuring shot-to-hell pork ribs and fruit with a side of fleece and denim salad.
I support this
As an addendum, I'd also like to see hidden camera footage of one of your Shasta runs
Ah yes, a nice Orange Shasta Glaze on those ribs once he gets back home would be a nice touch as well. Taking fire the whole way I'm sure.
QOTD!
Not to forget the pumpkin spice orange soda!!!
Surely marketed as 'well tenderised'..? ;)
The rules for handgun ammunition.
1 get the biggest calibre you can accurately shoot. 2. Get the heaviest bullet weight in that calibre 3. Make it a hollowpoint but remember they only expand 60% of the time. Handgun ammunition is low velocity ie less than 2100 fps medium velocity as in rifles is 2100fps to 4100 fps anything over that is Hypervelocity.
Interesting history note, the 357 magnum started out as a hot 38 special in a Smith and Wesson 44 special frame. .
This 38 Special ammunition was capable of firing a 158-grain copper-tipped lead-alloy bullet at 1,125 feet per second this was in 1930. In 1934 work on the hot 38 special case morphed into the .357 cartridge, It featured a .125-inch longer case than the .38 Spl. and launched a 158-grain bullet at 1,515 fps from an 8 3/4-inch barrel. A year later, Smith & Wesson introduced the revolver to contain this new mighty beast the Model 27.
Whilst i am rambling on, It is believed the 357 case was made .125 inch longer to fit in more powder while you may be able to fit in more powder the main reason was safety to prevent hi powered .357 bullets being loaded into weaker 38 special revolvers.
If you don't " Love" or at Least "Respect" Mr.Paul Harrell ..chances are you can't be my Friend.
Back just before you released this video, I was standing at the ammo counter with a fellow buying 9x19 self defense ammunition for about $1/round. I tried, in vain, to convince him that .357mag was better and only cost about $0.60/round. Even economically it's a better bang for your buck.
Between a 357 FMJ vs 9mm self defense HP the 357 FMJ is still the better option ???
.357 more powerful
9mm is effective, somewhat less likely to over penetrate, easier on the hands to shoot, less expensive ( you can practice more ), usually in a semi-auto that holds more ammo and is faster to reload, and a bit easier to conceal.
If it is a defensive weapon, select the one that gives you the best chance of getting a round on target.
You are right on, with the 9mm vs .357 comparison. But those who think the 9mm can come close to the .357 don't know the 9mm history. Back when the US military was looking for a more powerful handgun, to replace the .38 spl, the 9mm was rated below the .38 spl. That was when the military selected the .45 acp.
That is still the case today. The 9mm is inferior to the .38 spl. As such, it can never compare with the .357.
So you can wonder why when in recent times the military was looking to replace the .45 acp, how did we get back to the weak 9mm?
They were looking for a semi-auto pistol, and I think they were looking for a modern design. So that may be why they bypassed the .38 super in the same old Colt 1911 pistol.
The .38 super uses the same bullet as the 9mm, but out performs the 9mm in every bullet weight. The .38 super has very near .357 performance in each bullet weight used by the 9mm.
I have seen some ammo company ballistic data show high velocity 9mm loads out performing the .38 super. But that was only because they didn't show the .38 super in the high velocity format for the same bullet weight.
I laugh everytime I hear some 9mm shooter claim the 9mm out perform any higher caliber.
I will always carry a .38 super over the 9mm any day.
Thanks Paul. Ive gone back to carrying
.357 mag for this reason. And, I'm actually using the same ammo used here. Old tech, still effective. Of most self defense rounds, I think and its been said that .357 magnum has the best potential to cause a 1 shot stop. This clearly shows why.
When this guy pulls the snubby out of his pocket, I immediately imagined him in a dark alley, calmly speaking to someone attempting a robbery, and doing exactly that. Loved this video and the thought out information. Thank you for this
I pictured more of a mafia style gut shot execution but see your image now as well.
Sir this demonstration is amazing, I enjoyed this 100%. The meat target is the best example on the web of how effective a bullet can be, IMO at least. The .357 is just simply a far more powerful bullet. When you use the word "effective" as the other guy you mentioned did, that opens a whole new can of worms. I feel something like a Ruger LCR in .22LR can be totally "effective" for a self defense weapon, even though obviously the "power" isn't anywhere close at all to either of these two calibers you just demonstrated.
This morning I had a self-defense situation, not with a person but with an adult male black bear (that we believe was rabid), and I was very happy that I was carrying a .357 Mag (w/ StJHP). In fact, the only thing that would have made me happier was carrying my .44 Mag. It charged me and I got off 3 shots before it started to slow and pitch ~9 meters away, and then I emptied the revolver into the target and reloaded with a speed loader. The shot that made the difference was a hit right above its right eye, I believe it was the 2nd, that fully penetrated into its skull. I'm not sure a 9mm would have been enough to stop it before it reached me.
BTW, practice, practice, practice combat reloads. I was pleased that I reloaded smoothly (for me) without even really thinking about it, due to lots of practice.
Glad you survived to tell the tale. I have been trying to decide what firearm would be best for my first. Still undecided but the information is very helpful. Thank you!
@@IluvinortheIneffable
For a first gun? Yes, hard to say, if you want a one and done gun, yea, a 9mm or higher, but if you plan on getting more guns, a 9mm is good for learning how to shoot, it's a middle ground, ammo isn't as expensive, and you get decent training with recoil and so on, but, there's also .22s out there, you won't really learn how to shoot bigger guns, but if you want to have fun or throw a million round down range to learn how to aim and how to deal with malfunctions(I've never had a many malfunctions as i do on my 22s) and not lay awake at night thinking about your wallet, you'll definitely get what you want there
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Lol dude my guy you’re talking about a full grown adult bear that’s 10×20 times stronger than the average adult male that’s like talking about a primate a monkey they’re a lot stronger than the average male and a little stronger than I physically and shape mail anyways the average objective that you would really be up against in risky defensive bad situation is an adult male or female you don’t really need a real powerful gun like that to stop a wimpy objective pretty much one shot from any gun. The average purple if it can hit the target depen what person has heha lol but hey I love mr my negs bby^ and ong so I ight mad at u
5:42 one, that's just not true. xD please tell me you guys caught that.
Mad Mike was looking through the comments and starting to think i was the only one lol
Yep
caught it.
that was pauls way to emphatically disagree with the "9 and 357 are the same" crowd"..
I caught that too. That right there is a smooth and classy way to call out some bullshit LOL! I love this guy!
The finger? Lol
Paul is what I call a professional 100%
Theory meets practice. Great video. Since Paul is firing essentially the same projectile at a much higher velocity from the .357, you'd expect the real world results Paul got. For me, it boils down to auto vs revolver. "You be the judge".
Another Great Presentation! I just ordered a Ruger GP100 357 magnum with a 4” barrel today. I had the tracking number before I even got home from my FFL !! Doing the Happy Dance!
Came up so I had to watch it again. Still a great video. The .357 Magnum, regardless of whatever personal preference or pseudo science, in the 125 grain semi jacketed hollow point flavor, still holds its own, even after all these years. The round is not for the faint of heart, which is why we have softer shooting autoloaders.
You're the Bob Ross of firearms
Thanks for the study, I was considering a revolver for CCW I believe snub nosed .357 will be the firearm of choice.
I've been carrying one for 20+ years. You can't carry a more reliable firearm, in my opinion . I figure, if you need more than 5 rounds , you're in way over your head.
Nah he's the Bob Ross the 'NAM years.
Do yourself a favor and find a way to test fire a snub nose .357 before you buy one. It's a lot of recoil when fired out of a small weapon and you may not be able to shoot it accurately (depending on your size, build, and experience level).
I carry a 360pd in .357 and while the recoil from a negative gravity gun is outrageous I highly recommend hornady snub nose specific ammo that uses a super fast burning powder that does help a lot with muzzle blast concussive recoil and uses a 125 grain projectile that is also more manageable than 158 grain and still maintains a 1400 +- velocity vs 38+p at around 900.
@@westernartifact4163 any sidearm is only on your person so you can fight your way to a rifle.
I own .45ACP. .357Magnum and 9mm, but I always grab the 9mm for concealed carry, just because it fits more comfortably and I'll actually wear it for everyday carry. I'll take one of the larger calibers if out hiking the remote high country, etc. where I can carry openly.
I do the same. If I go out to my land, I take my .357. It’s a Ruger GP100 w/ a 4” barrel. I know it’ll drop a charging hog or cougar in one or two shots. For EDC, I usually carry a 9mm, .38 loaded w/ +p, or a .380. I’ll always have a .22LR or WMR as a back up, regardless. Great for poisonous snakes on the land or just a last-ditch back-up. I usually home carry my .38 or .22WMR. Now I’m interested in a .357 snub nose for EDC after watching this video lol
@@Vaille32 get a 3 inch king cobra
Thank you for taking the time to do these tests. It's great information for those folks trying to decide what to carry for defensive purposes. I'm a wheel gun guy, carrying a 357 everyday...and no mater what the threat...I know I have enough gun to make sure I get home at the end of the day.
i can tell you a 12 guage, a 30-30, and 30-06 are VERY effective on anything flying, climbing, walking, running or slithering in the woods where i live.
I bet there is some kid who thinks 9mm is better lol
I can carry my 9x19 and 357 short barrels without violating state carry law and without everyone around knowing I have a firearm. None of my 12 guage shotguns can be concealed as described in state law, as is the case with any of my rifles as all have legal length barrels. The point of this program has alot to do with concealed carry. Another good video from Paul.
How is the 3030 underrated? Its the most popular hunting round today.
@Paul Kersey the Germans certainly didn't lose the war b/c of their use of 9mm...come on.
Hello Paul my name is M E Wilson SR. I just want to say what a great presentation that you have put together and put out here online I really appreciate it and it taught me a lot about the reasoning and testing on Firearms thank you so much and I look forward to your next publication thank you so much!!
9mm for indoors, .357 for outdoors. A Buffalo Bore .357 magnum shot inside an enclosed space will make you wish you never had ears
and not just for a little while... that ringing isn't going to go away for weeks and the damage is permanent
Ohohohoho. Thats right!
I had a .38 Special go off in a shed and that was about 6 months ago. They still ring to this day.
@Mike Wilhelmson a man injury. Bitches live easy parasite lives.
Shooting a .22LR indoors without hearing protection is a stupid idea, much less .357mag.
Put a pair of amplified hearing protection muffs next to your nightstand. When that bump happens in the night, the first thing you do is pop on the muffs and turn up the volume. Then grab your iron.
Often imitated, never duplicated: Paul Harrell.
Glad to see you pull out the SP101 snubbie. I bought one when they first came out, and it's still the best pistol I've ever owned.
I don't own a firearm. It's a consideration though. I find your videos to be the most informative and helpful in my considerations. I love how you call stupid, "stupid" without using the word "stupid" too. I think in consideration of firearms for home protection in apartments or in neighborhoods you have to think about just enough power to stop an intruder or bad guy with minimal pass through of a projectile. Protecting your own with minimal risk to others.
Proper defensive ammunition and shot placement will help to mitigate much of that risk. In a nation ripe with litigation I do understand your point. It’d be a tragedy to defend your life only to find that you injured or killed another by accident. Train and create a plan of action. My advice is to get the gun; better to have it and not need it.
I own both yet my carry piece is 357,my nine is by me when I'm at home. Shot placement is best,extra ammo don't mean nothing if you are a shit shot.
So, if i did that, when SHTF I'd not be sure if the gun in my hand has a safety or not. Pick one great gun that you, your wife, your adult children love, buy everyone that model, pick one bullet, buy everyone a box. When SHTF , your family may all hunker down in one house and all will know how to operate everyone's piece. Like armies do it. One gun only ? That's all the nam sgt gave me , i gave it back a year later.
A real gentleman: a pleasure to watch and learn from!
Love the vids. I hope we get a 357 sig and 357 magnum comparison someday.
That would be great! A Baby Glock G33 vs the SP101!
eddy money as do I sir
357 mag edges the Sig pretty handily in the 125 gr load but where the comparison ends are the heavier loads of 158 to 180. 357 mag all day, every day. However in terms of the high capacity auto loader design of the Sig, it wins the comparison in the long run due to speed of use and shootability. IMHO.
Anthony Skrivan only on paper. It's pretty close across the board and 357 Sig edges out 357 in shorter barrels when both are using premium ammo.
btube325 ~ oh right! The old “only on paper” argument. I can tell you facts, hard ones at that. Underwood’s 180 gr hard cast gas check 357 load clocks a tick over 1400 FPS from my 4” 686+. This is making a crushing 780lb ft of energy. Am I missing something? Do you know of a comparible 357 Sig load? On paper maybe? Get real, son...
Paul- you have the hands down most informative gun channel on TH-cam. Heck if I count your Zombie video maybe the most informative dental health channel as well. Thank you for the videos and knowledge.
Outstanding demostration paul. I have both 357 and 9mm. My edc during the week i carry my either my taurus 509 9mm revolver or my glock 19. Both loaded with gold dot +p. And for my weekend adventures like night fishing or camping i carry my 6 inch ruger GP100 IN 357 MAG. I load it with buffalo bore jhp. It gets a little spooky around 1am in the woods by myself lol. Never know sasquatch could be real 😆
Thank you Mr. Harrell. I have 2 9 mils and a 357 Windicator. This was a fantastic video. Pleasure to watch.
I've watched this particular presentation a few times. Still as informative and entertaining. The issue that strikes me as having high significance is defining the parameters of performance for the elements of focus- The specific firearms utilized; cartridge configuration, strategy or tactics, ad astra. Paul and very few others across the YT universe provide the viewers with objective information with attention retaining presentation. Subjective views are kept to a minimum and are primarily used to fill in gaps that data or statistics can not adequately address. I've been impressed as to how Mr. H. and his crew manage to produce presentations on a regular basis when many other production 'companies' run out of ways to grow the audience after a few dozen episodes.
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. If Paul did more gear reviews like Nutnfancy... ooo boy!
It's a damn shame that nutnfancy got mired into politics. Paul's approach is exactly what we need now.
I can not sit through a NutnFancy video, guys a fricking wind bag!
I'm so glad this TH-cam channel exists.
Great comparison & video, Paul - thank you! Only amateurs & novices would think a 9 outperforms a .357.
But what if the 9mm shooter identifies as a .44 Mag shooter?
You mean an amateur like Joe Biden
@@terrybaird3122 cisgendered gun?
@@terrybaird3122 That'd be a DOUBLE - LUNGBUSTER! 😮😵💫🤡
Its like someone froze a rockstar Marine pistol team champion from 1988 and thawed him out in Oregon in 2017.
@@ajgrant94 Really? What makes you say that?
Just speaking from his ass. It’s a tired habit.
@@ajgrant94 idk... Lee harvey oswald has maybe a little notoriety.
AJ Grant YOU don’t know any. Proves at least one thing. You’re an idiot.
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@@ajgrant94 Guess you never watch Full Metal Jacket the drill instructor talks about Marines shooting ability.
My two favorite channels are Paul Harrell and The Yankee Marshal. I watch Yankee for comedic relief and I watch Mr. Harrell for science. I came to this specific video because Yankee loves his 357 revolvers and I knew I could trust Mr Harrell to show me why.
Skankee Marsha is a baby back bitch
For me, yankee marshals efforts at humor wore off in a hurry.
Yankee marshall is the gun channel you subscribe to when you are a complete noob and just bought your first gun. As soon as you get an ounce of training and experience with firearms you realize he is consistantly full a shit and a drama queen at that.
I think the Yankee has some very valid points on a lot of gun topics, and I respect him a lot. Also, yes he is a very humorous guy. I love his music theme at the start and end of his videos. Very catchy tune.
He’s lucky to have loyal supporters. I’m just not one of them.
NO BS WITH THIS GUY .😨😎
No comedy either.
@@spicecrop yeah it's not supposed to be.
This guy is all business and I like it for the data he goes over
@@spicecrop No? Did you catch 5:42?
Underated gun channel
Paul Harrell is definitely my #1 favorite gun guys one TH-cam 💯 he explains things very well, is very knowledgeable I just love watching his videos! Always answers my questions without me still wondering at the end. Thank you sir! 👍👏👏
Army Vet to Army Vet, I LOVE your channel sir. Very practical and straight forward information with descriptions, and comparisons. You let the real time results speak for themselves. 💯
I think he is a Marine.
@@jethrobodeen88 No sir. Those awards that come on during the video intro are Army awards. The rifle in the blue box with the wreath is the Army Combat Infantryman Badge or "CIB", and the badge right below it is the Army Air Assault badge. He also has Army marksmanship badges on the top rows. He also talks about his time in the Army, and how he witnessed the Army change from the 1911 to the M9 in one of his videos.
Always awesome when I see a Paul Harrel video in my sub box!
Maybe someone saw a 357 magnum revolver loaded with 38 caliber ammo being fired and thought the performance looked weaker than their 9mm pistol? Because just the the cartridge size difference between a round of 9x19 and a round of 357 magnum should be pretty obvious.
@Lock Bresnar well considering how widely used 9mm is it's obvious when you use percentages the facts become skewed
@Lock Bresnar Lethality is irrelevant in 99% of self-defense scenarios, stopping the target is. So the fact that both cartridges kill the same amount of people %-wise is a non-factor.
I watched this in 2017 and I can conclude that it is still fresh today as it was filmed yesterday, bravo Paul.
I’ll take my .357 sp101 any day! Talk about peace of mind!
i love my sp101. blued with a 2 1\4 in barrel
My SP101 snub has been my daily carry gun for almost 5 years now. Loaded with Hornady Critical Duty 125gr. Then I got same weight Critical Defense on speed strips.
I have the GP100 4 inch .357. Absolute beast.
I carry Gold Dot Short Barrel 135 grain in my 2 1/4 inch SP101. Controllable and accurate.
I have the 3 inch SP101. It's my backup while hunting and my primary when hiking. I have it loaded with beast loads from Underwood or Buffalo Bore. Not even in the same universe as a 9mm.
To think that a 9mm is packing more power than a .357 is delusional. Ammo capacity is where the 9 shines. Of course It will do the job from a defensive perspective, but the 357 will do alot more damage blow for blow. This was a very well put together demonstration that proved it.
In the end, it's a moot point. Both rounds will do the job. The old 125 grain SJHP .357 Magnum was a legend in its day for being highly effective on the street. The 9mm today is very excellent with so many great bullet designs we've got for it, too.
that is so very true...We certainly didn't have the ammunition available today when Elmer Keith was so very proud of the 357..
I think he just proved your “great bullet designs” statement to be untrue.
Mr. Harrell, I really like your rational, attitude-free manner. I am learning a lot from your videos. Thank you!