Fuck, someone FINALLY does a follow up review! Seriously, so many “initial impressions” or “unboxing” reviews and then nothing. Thank you for actually following up! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks for the follow up!! I was worried about the durability too! Will try these next -I have a terrible time finding the right double boot fit! I hear these boots have a little wider toe box...so maybe?!!
@@josephwdutton omg I just got to try them out on a short 3 mile alpine hike in the snow!!!! They were so light I could actually jog! No shin bruising like on the la sportiva G2SM and definitely a medium toe box in these which was perfect!!! Love them! Thanks for your review giving me the encouragement to try them out! Will be climbing Mt Shasta in these in a few weeks!
Thx for the follow up. After trying on the Arc'teryx (too narrow) and Scarpa's (width great but heel lifted and hated the plastic piece on the front part of the gaiter) I got my hands on these. They fit my foot awesome (once upsized 1/2 a size) as I have a really wide box type foot that didn't fit into the boot (top of the foot was too tight and width was snug) at my normal size. Taking these up to Split Mountain CA next week for a trial run and then Baker for 6 days first week of May. Really appreciate your insight / review follow up was interested in warmth and durability!!
Arc'teryx runs narrow in all of their footwear, Im a huge fan of theirs but I really have been disappointed in their footwear. Let me know how the Mammuts work out for you, especially in the alpine I didn't get to use them in the alpine this year, all my experience was in WI and mixed routes.
@@josephwdutton Quick follow up - Just got back from wearing these on Mt Baker for six days first week in May. They were awesome. Feet stayed super warm (summit day was a bit cold up top early in the am but no issues) - the inner boot dried well during the night in my sleeping bag as well. I did scar it up a bit with my crampons (slicing a small slit in the gaiter and nicking the toe / heel a few times. The only thing that I was annoyed with (and not sure it's the boot) is that my Petzl Sarken crampon fell off near the top of the Roman wall on the way up. That was the second time it fell off on the way up and they were on pretty snug. Jacked up the tightness (like crazy tight) for the way down and no issues. Overall loved the boot for the expedition and can't wait to take it Gannett Peak and some more volcanos soon.
@@petejohnson1716 That is awesome to hear. Were the nicks on the heal and toe mostly cosmetic? Im not surprised to hear that about the crampons with a traditional crampon you need to have it cranked to 11. I really think a crampon like the Blade runner would work well but that's just speculation.
@@josephwdutton yes all nicks just cosmetic except i did cut thru the built in gaiter in one spot. Don't know how i did that one but otherwise good. Thinking i go with full gaiters the next time or get better with my foot work! I'll have to try Blade runner. Definitely going to keep climbing with these so here's to more adventures to come
Those crampons look sick...never tried them, but I have found myself sometimes climbing on horizontal front points this winter and in certain conditions have actually preferred it to my vertical monos.
I was hesitant at first because I’ve always had vertical mono points, but these pretty much claim to be the best of both worlds and I think I agree with that for at least 90% of the climbs I do
Can you talk about the right size. I wear something like 42 in normal shoes and 43 in my everyday Scarpa mountains boot. It feels like UK9 is the right of the Nordwand 6000 - maybe even slightly bigger.
Thanks for the follow-up clip! Good to hear that warmth and durability seem great. I read in some reviews that it can be hard to get in with the "liner socks" as the boot doesn't open very widely... Any thoughts on this?
I never thought of that as a problem, but I can see why some people would complain about that. Its definitely more difficult to slip these on than a boot with a traditional tongue but it was nothing that bothered me.
Hey Joseph, Are these boots waterproof? I climbing primarily in the North East as well, ADK, and I find I'm always breaking through the ice over creeks when hiking to climbs so I really want a waterproof boot, which is why I'm primarily considering the Sportiva Nepal. Thanks and great reviews!
Hi Joseph. Thanks for the first video and this follow up. I think I know the answer, but to confirm, does this boot can be use with semi automatic crampons? Or would I need to get fully automatic Thanks!
It defiantly should work with a semi auto crampon like any other fully rigid boot. However I'm not sure how well it would work. In the video I mention some of the crampon fit problems I have had. I resolved those issues by tightening the heck out of my automatic crampons, you may not be able to do that with semi crampons. If you have a store that you would be buying these in person I would check your crampon fit before getting them or consider getting new crampons along with the boot.
@@josephwdutton I'm unsure about the size. Did you test with two socks (a liner and another thick sock from the Lorpen T3+ Inferno category)? Do you think that in this example I gave it is necessary to buy 1/2 size larger? I'm from Brazil, it will be my first double boot and I want to try to get it right on the first purchase and avoid returns that take months. I bought a semi-rigid Mammut boot to serve as a parameter in this regard, but even so the doubt remains, as it is not the same category of boot. Grateful for the attention.
@@rodrigodamiani7909 It fits true to the Mammut sizes however I feel as though its not a very high volume boot in general. I think if you are planning to wear thick socks or two pairs going up a half size would be the right move.
@@josephwdutton I live in Europe and just ordered two different sizes to try them at home before deciding if I will keep one or send them back. On the shoe box it is written clearly "Made in Romania". This means the whole boot, not just the liner, it is made completely or assembled in Romania.
@@alltoone I'm unsure about the size. In your case, which of the two options was the best fit? Did you test with two socks (a liner and another thick sock from the Lorpen T3+ Inferno category)? Do you think that in this example I gave it is necessary to buy 1/2 size larger? I'm from Brazil, it will be my first double boot and I want to try to get it right on the first purchase and avoid returns that take months. I bought a semi-rigid Mammut boot to serve as a parameter in this regard, but even so the doubt remains, as it is not the same category of boot. Grateful for the attention.
@@rodrigodamiani7909 long answer, read below. I actually tested 3 sizes (EU 44 2/3, 45 1/3, and 46) knowing well in advance the the third option will be too large. In the first option which is my street shoe size it was too tight for a double sock system. Mind you the liner of this shoe is a sock like type of liner, which is siting quite tight on the foot and you do not need normally to have two socks as you prevent the boot liner to do its job. Also the boot liner is similar like the Scarpa Phantom 6000 and not a proper bootie liner as in the La Sportiva G2 Evo. So in conclusion, for my type of foot (wider in the front and somewhat narow at the heel) the heel was loose no matter the combination of socks. Plus there were other things I did not like such as the rocker of the sole forcing the crampons to flex a little and stay awkard. Also the very short cable of the BOA system was making really hard to insert the foot inside the shell. Last but not least the zipper is a joke, it is too narrow and very fragile. I almost damaged a zipper tooth on the point of maximum resistance where it closes above the BOA wheel and this happened inside my apartment at room temperature. I do not want too imagine how it will be when the zipper will have some ice on it. They need to fix the design and functionality issues in the next iteration. On the plus side, compared with the other two models from La Sportiva (G2 Evo) and Scarpa (Phantom 6000) which I tested also, the Mammut Norwand 6000 felt the warmest. In the end I went with the one with the best fit for my feet, the Scarpa Phantom 6000 in EU 45 size. This one has it flaws as well but it had the best fit from all of three models. The G2 Evo was the burliest and I think it has the most durable construction of all but the last just doesn't work for my feet.
@@rodrigodamiani7909 hi, just to keep it shorter this time. No, a half of size up will be not enough for multiple/ heavy socks. The Lorpen Inferno socks are too thick even if you choose the boot in a full size up. This is due to the boot liner which fits tightly on the foot. If you want to use this multiple sock/heavy Primaloft socks system you should definitely check other boots. Perhaps the La Sportiva G2 Evo with a real liner inside might be more apropriate. Anyway, I guess you want to climb something in the Andes since you are looking at this boot. The thermical insulation of this boot is quite good. No need for super heavy Primaloft socks unless you want to go somewhere in really cold places like Denali, Alaska. But in this case you might want to add an PU overboot.
Fuck, someone FINALLY does a follow up review! Seriously, so many “initial impressions” or “unboxing” reviews and then nothing. Thank you for actually following up! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks for the positive feedback.
Thanks for the follow up!! I was worried about the durability too! Will try these next -I have a terrible time finding the right double boot fit! I hear these boots have a little wider toe box...so maybe?!!
I would say they have a medium toe box. They were perfect for me and I would say I have a pretty medium foot in terms of width.
@@josephwdutton omg I just got to try them out on a short 3 mile alpine hike in the snow!!!! They were so light I could actually jog! No shin bruising like on the la sportiva G2SM and definitely a medium toe box in these which was perfect!!! Love them! Thanks for your review giving me the encouragement to try them out! Will be climbing Mt Shasta in these in a few weeks!
@@shellyhaug178 Thats awesome I'm stoked to hear that. What crampon are you using with it, how does it fit?
@@josephwdutton I haven’t tried any crampons yet, I’ve always rented for my climbs but seriously thinking about investing in a pair blade runners!
Thx for the follow up. After trying on the Arc'teryx (too narrow) and Scarpa's (width great but heel lifted and hated the plastic piece on the front part of the gaiter) I got my hands on these. They fit my foot awesome (once upsized 1/2 a size) as I have a really wide box type foot that didn't fit into the boot (top of the foot was too tight and width was snug) at my normal size. Taking these up to Split Mountain CA next week for a trial run and then Baker for 6 days first week of May. Really appreciate your insight / review follow up was interested in warmth and durability!!
Arc'teryx runs narrow in all of their footwear, Im a huge fan of theirs but I really have been disappointed in their footwear. Let me know how the Mammuts work out for you, especially in the alpine I didn't get to use them in the alpine this year, all my experience was in WI and mixed routes.
@@josephwdutton Quick follow up - Just got back from wearing these on Mt Baker for six days first week in May. They were awesome. Feet stayed super warm (summit day was a bit cold up top early in the am but no issues) - the inner boot dried well during the night in my sleeping bag as well. I did scar it up a bit with my crampons (slicing a small slit in the gaiter and nicking the toe / heel a few times. The only thing that I was annoyed with (and not sure it's the boot) is that my Petzl Sarken crampon fell off near the top of the Roman wall on the way up. That was the second time it fell off on the way up and they were on pretty snug. Jacked up the tightness (like crazy tight) for the way down and no issues. Overall loved the boot for the expedition and can't wait to take it Gannett Peak and some more volcanos soon.
@@petejohnson1716 That is awesome to hear. Were the nicks on the heal and toe mostly cosmetic? Im not surprised to hear that about the crampons with a traditional crampon you need to have it cranked to 11. I really think a crampon like the Blade runner would work well but that's just speculation.
@@josephwdutton yes all nicks just cosmetic except i did cut thru the built in gaiter in one spot. Don't know how i did that one but otherwise good. Thinking i go with full gaiters the next time or get better with my foot work! I'll have to try Blade runner. Definitely going to keep climbing with these so here's to more adventures to come
Those crampons look sick...never tried them, but I have found myself sometimes climbing on horizontal front points this winter and in certain conditions have actually preferred it to my vertical monos.
I was hesitant at first because I’ve always had vertical mono points, but these pretty much claim to be the best of both worlds and I think I agree with that for at least 90% of the climbs I do
Can you talk about the right size. I wear something like 42 in normal shoes and 43 in my everyday Scarpa mountains boot. It feels like UK9 is the right of the Nordwand 6000 - maybe even slightly bigger.
Thanks for the follow-up clip! Good to hear that warmth and durability seem great. I read in some reviews that it can be hard to get in with the "liner socks" as the boot doesn't open very widely... Any thoughts on this?
I never thought of that as a problem, but I can see why some people would complain about that. Its definitely more difficult to slip these on than a boot with a traditional tongue but it was nothing that bothered me.
Hey Joseph, have you experienced any issues with the boots flexing while climbing?
Hey Joseph, Are these boots waterproof? I climbing primarily in the North East as well, ADK, and I find I'm always breaking through the ice over creeks when hiking to climbs so I really want a waterproof boot, which is why I'm primarily considering the Sportiva Nepal. Thanks and great reviews!
Hi Joseph. Thanks for the first video and this follow up. I think I know the answer, but to confirm, does this boot can be use with semi automatic crampons? Or would I need to get fully automatic
Thanks!
It defiantly should work with a semi auto crampon like any other fully rigid boot. However I'm not sure how well it would work. In the video I mention some of the crampon fit problems I have had. I resolved those issues by tightening the heck out of my automatic crampons, you may not be able to do that with semi crampons. If you have a store that you would be buying these in person I would check your crampon fit before getting them or consider getting new crampons along with the boot.
How did it fit in its size compared to your regular shoe size? Did you size up 1/2 or was there enough room in your exact size?
its the same size as my regular shoe and the fit is great
@@josephwdutton
I'm unsure about the size. Did you test with two socks (a liner and another thick sock from the Lorpen T3+ Inferno category)? Do you think that in this example I gave it is necessary to buy 1/2 size larger? I'm from Brazil, it will be my first double boot and I want to try to get it right on the first purchase and avoid returns that take months. I bought a semi-rigid Mammut boot to serve as a parameter in this regard, but even so the doubt remains, as it is not the same category of boot. Grateful for the attention.
@@rodrigodamiani7909 It fits true to the Mammut sizes however I feel as though its not a very high volume boot in general. I think if you are planning to wear thick socks or two pairs going up a half size would be the right move.
@@josephwduttonThank you for your attention.
Where are these made? Some of Mammut's pants and jackets I have are made in China, are these made there too?
The liner says that it is made in Romania, the boot itself doesn't say.
@@josephwdutton I live in Europe and just ordered two different sizes to try them at home before deciding if I will keep one or send them back. On the shoe box it is written clearly "Made in Romania". This means the whole boot, not just the liner, it is made completely or assembled in Romania.
@@alltoone
I'm unsure about the size. In your case, which of the two options was the best fit? Did you test with two socks (a liner and another thick sock from the Lorpen T3+ Inferno category)? Do you think that in this example I gave it is necessary to buy 1/2 size larger? I'm from Brazil, it will be my first double boot and I want to try to get it right on the first purchase and avoid returns that take months. I bought a semi-rigid Mammut boot to serve as a parameter in this regard, but even so the doubt remains, as it is not the same category of boot. Grateful for the attention.
@@rodrigodamiani7909 long answer, read below.
I actually tested 3 sizes (EU 44 2/3, 45 1/3, and 46) knowing well in advance the the third option will be too large. In the first option which is my street shoe size it was too tight for a double sock system. Mind you the liner of this shoe is a sock like type of liner, which is siting quite tight on the foot and you do not need normally to have two socks as you prevent the boot liner to do its job.
Also the boot liner is similar like the Scarpa Phantom 6000 and not a proper bootie liner as in the La Sportiva G2 Evo.
So in conclusion, for my type of foot (wider in the front and somewhat narow at the heel) the heel was loose no matter the combination of socks. Plus there were other things I did not like such as the rocker of the sole forcing the crampons to flex a little and stay awkard. Also the very short cable of the BOA system was making really hard to insert the foot inside the shell.
Last but not least the zipper is a joke, it is too narrow and very fragile. I almost damaged a zipper tooth on the point of maximum resistance where it closes above the BOA wheel and this happened inside my apartment at room temperature. I do not want too imagine how it will be when the zipper will have some ice on it.
They need to fix the design and functionality issues in the next iteration.
On the plus side, compared with the other two models from La Sportiva (G2 Evo) and Scarpa (Phantom 6000) which I tested also, the Mammut Norwand 6000 felt the warmest.
In the end I went with the one with the best fit for my feet, the Scarpa Phantom 6000 in EU 45 size. This one has it flaws as well but it had the best fit from all of three models. The G2 Evo was the burliest and I think it has the most durable construction of all but the last just doesn't work for my feet.
@@rodrigodamiani7909 hi, just to keep it shorter this time. No, a half of size up will be not enough for multiple/ heavy socks. The Lorpen Inferno socks are too thick even if you choose the boot in a full size up. This is due to the boot liner which fits tightly on the foot. If you want to use this multiple sock/heavy Primaloft socks system you should definitely check other boots. Perhaps the La Sportiva G2 Evo with a real liner inside might be more apropriate.
Anyway, I guess you want to climb something in the Andes since you are looking at this boot. The thermical insulation of this boot is quite good. No need for super heavy Primaloft socks unless you want to go somewhere in really cold places like Denali, Alaska. But in this case you might want to add an PU overboot.