The problem isn't just the weight of the helltracks but the added leverage of the spacers you added. It adds a lot of stress on the suspension it isn't built for (mainly to safe material)
Yep.. Since they had to rebuild the control arms anyway... They should ahve just made them longer so that the hub reaches out far enough and doesn't need the wheel spacers... They need a better lead designer/ engineer
@@calholli They might be trying to design all the parts so once this project is done they can bolt on off-road tires and still have it be road legal...
So glad you chaps have plainly heard criticism of that last weird video. This stuff is so much better, and I'm sure what most of us are interested in. Thanks. Hope you stay a little 'technical' on this channel. Keep the engineers, mechanics & fabricators to the fore!
I can't say enough how amazing the talent in that shop is! You guys are redesigning parts that some highly educated engineers that are probably overpaid have made and making them better! I hope we see a lot more videos like this one, I love seeing the creativity and process in what you all do.
the engineers were paid to make it functional while saving as much cost and weight as possible, this leads to failures when any additional stresses are added. The Sparks boys build things to not break regardless of cost and weight...
@@Ieatpeople2 Yup. It's sad that the manufacturers get away with building such crappy products these days. I was shocked to see how weak these parts are.
gezzzzzzz !!!!! insane you guys and the real test how it feels with stock wheels on the street heheee should slap some stikky on there and hit the track against a stocker one
Align the tracks - pics of the truck head on looks like toe-out which, given the massive footprint of the tracks causing significant force on the linkage and frame is just asking for trouble.
Bloody Hell those LP9 lights are $620 a piece & $100 for a 2 Light wiring harness. 7K in lights think i have only bought one car that was more expensive than that lol, And yes the lights look better than some of the shitboxes i have owned in the past haha
I see those spacers as 70 % of the problem. It's the difference of holding one of those tracks over your shoulder, or trying to hold one at arm's length.
@@SparksMotorsCoWouldn't it be easier at this point to design new suspension and have the arms come out further instead of using a spacer? It would spread the load over more points and counter the lever effect.
Your fabrication skills are amazing! But would love to know what the range is with those tracks on - battery range that is, not range until next failure point! I wonder if you would even get 50 miles out of a full charge.
Honestly that’s a great question. Several years back we put tracks on a Model S and it lowered the range from near 300 to about 120 miles full charge. The cold and tracks definitely affect it. Kinda like the MPG on the jeep went from 10MPG to 6MPG
this shows that cybertruck is not something you can modify just part by part. if you want to put this on any sort of an stressful environment. you have to upgrade everything 1st. usually on a Jeep gladiator or Totota Tacoma you can upgrade one part at a time, because even stock parts are pretty strong.
You are not wrong. Know think about how long those vehicles have existed and what people have created through the years to bolt on. Welcome to the beginning of creation! We are very excited to be designing the first modifications for this and testing them out . Not all things will work the first time and I think that is the point of our video.
Well, adding a hunk of weight 3 miles from the hub surely didn't help the stock suspension. But Tesla in general is not known for robust components if the car is driven outside sunny California. There are tons of Model S/3/X/Y out there with frozen solid ball joints - because the engineers of Tesla simply couldn't imagine that the car would be driven in wet conditions. Rain water runs down the drippers directly onto the ball joints and then the water sits there. Water + metal = rust. 🤪
Tesla should be able to supply you with CAD models of some of these stock suspension parts. It would make your job of making custom parts a lot easier.
Yep.. Since they had to rebuild the control arms anyway... They should have just made them longer so that the hub reaches out far enough and doesn't need the wheel spacers... They need a better lead designer/ engineer
@@calholli yea that’s true, I seen to many people lose wheels due to spacer failure. Get off set wheels or something at least but in this case would be best to do what you said.
@@MrCtts33but it is a truck. The company that makes it say it is so unless you can make a company produce a vehicle and all that your opinion is null.
So in other words you guys made that stupid truck stronger than the way it came from the factory because apparently those parts that are on the truck originally were paper thin and were no good Tesla should be a shame of themselves to say that's the world's best truck at no it's a piece of crap but when you guys put your hands on it you make it 100 times better. Great video
It's bonkers how thin those control arms and tie rods are. Elon said this truck would be the best production offroad truck ever and yet made everything so fragile. EDIT: I understand it wasnt built for the added stress brought on by the spacers and tracks. That doesnt change how thin the material is on those control arms. Even my Volvo has sturdier control arms than this 7000 lb truck.
@@ffter888 I understand that but it's still a 7000 lb truck that Elon claimed would be "the best offroad vehicle". A good offroad vehicle has suspension/steering components that can handle abuse and yet someone broke the tie rods on a stock CT at king of the hammers doing donuts in loose dirt.
Quality of the content has really fallen off on Heavy D's channels latetely, and the 5 min add for a stupid shirt in a 9 min video is just ridiculous..
If you're putting a fkn 1 1/2 minute ad for ugly clothes, please, make the fabrication video longer than 9 minutes! Show us the cutting, welding, whatever the f!
So that’s a factory upper control arm on the cyber truck!!! One pothole and it will be totaled. What a pile of crap! I know it’s not but for off-road but damn!
Every set of tracks iv seen fitted to vehicles that aren't designed to use tracks, fail within minutes of driving the thing. Why would the cyber truck be any different
The problem isn't just the weight of the helltracks but the added leverage of the spacers you added. It adds a lot of stress on the suspension it isn't built for (mainly to safe material)
I was going to comment the same
Exactly
They know that.
Yep.. Since they had to rebuild the control arms anyway... They should ahve just made them longer so that the hub reaches out far enough and doesn't need the wheel spacers... They need a better lead designer/ engineer
@@calholli They might be trying to design all the parts so once this project is done they can bolt on off-road tires and still have it be road legal...
So glad you chaps have plainly heard criticism of that last weird video.
This stuff is so much better, and I'm sure what most of us are interested in.
Thanks. Hope you stay a little 'technical' on this channel.
Keep the engineers, mechanics & fabricators to the fore!
Stoked you guys hired Ron Swanson, he is my favorite!
You can not show off your shop guys enough. The work they do is always top notch. I want to learn to weld like that. It looks so rewarding.
I can't say enough how amazing the talent in that shop is! You guys are redesigning parts that some highly educated engineers that are probably overpaid have made and making them better! I hope we see a lot more videos like this one, I love seeing the creativity and process in what you all do.
the engineers were paid to make it functional while saving as much cost and weight as possible, this leads to failures when any additional stresses are added. The Sparks boys build things to not break regardless of cost and weight...
@@Ieatpeople2 Yup. It's sad that the manufacturers get away with building such crappy products these days. I was shocked to see how weak these parts are.
You have to remember how heavy this battery pack is and you stick tracks way outside the truck and the force on them is tremendous.
gezzzzzzz !!!!! insane you guys and the real test how it feels with stock wheels on the street heheee should slap some stikky on there and hit the track against a stocker one
SMCO INNOVATIONS 🔥
Align the tracks - pics of the truck head on looks like toe-out which, given the massive footprint of the tracks causing significant force on the linkage and frame is just asking for trouble.
Bravo......not a zelon fan......but that is clever.......hats off.....cheers
I believe a long travel (long arm) suspension would be a much better option for this project. You could eliminate the massive wheel spacers.
Ahh a cyber urinal ,The vehicle so good they are not even allowed in Australia lol.
Most well built tesla ever right here with all the work you did
What happen to the Humvee tow truck project?
Truly insane!
Bloody Hell those LP9 lights are $620 a piece & $100 for a 2 Light wiring harness. 7K in lights think i have only bought one car that was more expensive than that lol, And yes the lights look better than some of the shitboxes i have owned in the past haha
Thanks
I see those spacers as 70 % of the problem. It's the difference of holding one of those tracks over your shoulder, or trying to hold one at arm's length.
You are not wrong
@@SparksMotorsCo Looks like 3D scanning of the front & rear hub assembly`s is needed to replace them with 1/4 or 1/2 inch thick steel versions... ?
@@SparksMotorsCoWouldn't it be easier at this point to design new suspension and have the arms come out further instead of using a spacer? It would spread the load over more points and counter the lever effect.
@@MrSkyl1ne Yup. Although I think a whole supporting frame is needed to handle new mods. Meatier overall base to work off of.
Your fabrication skills are amazing! But would love to know what the range is with those tracks on - battery range that is, not range until next failure point! I wonder if you would even get 50 miles out of a full charge.
Honestly that’s a great question. Several years back we put tracks on a Model S and it lowered the range from near 300 to about 120 miles full charge. The cold and tracks definitely affect it. Kinda like the MPG on the jeep went from 10MPG to 6MPG
Get a patent and a production line on those parts and you’ve got yourself an insane future market especially if they’re made with the seal of Tesla 🔥
Well that’s assuming guys actually buy those ugly things. Electric vehicles are a joke. Im actually kinda disappointed heavy d is even promoting them.
You must not know the type of people who buy these things they most definitely aren't gonna be going be taking them off road
@@justinwebster7761 they might after seeing this…
Most Gifted Fabricators Around. Take Care Of Them Dave and Keep the Video's Coming:)
When are you guys going to build that off road wrecker?
Outa my price range and not my kinda rig…but interesting to see yall getting it done
Cool guys do cool stuff!
this shows that cybertruck is not something you can modify just part by part. if you want to put this on any sort of an stressful environment. you have to upgrade everything 1st. usually on a Jeep gladiator or Totota Tacoma you can upgrade one part at a time, because even stock parts are pretty strong.
You are not wrong. Know think about how long those vehicles have existed and what people have created through the years to bolt on. Welcome to the beginning of creation! We are very excited to be designing the first modifications for this and testing them out . Not all things will work the first time and I think that is the point of our video.
nice job
I wouldn’t go back to the stock setting leave it lift with some 22s and some 35 inch tires so it be the first lifted one out there
Well, adding a hunk of weight 3 miles from the hub surely didn't help the stock suspension. But Tesla in general is not known for robust components if the car is driven outside sunny California. There are tons of Model S/3/X/Y out there with frozen solid ball joints - because the engineers of Tesla simply couldn't imagine that the car would be driven in wet conditions. Rain water runs down the drippers directly onto the ball joints and then the water sits there. Water + metal = rust. 🤪
Best thing to do is gut it except for the body, then drop in a trubo charged BT4, with a 5 speed manual trans, with Dana axles, and go from there
Tesla should be able to supply you with CAD models of some of these stock suspension parts. It would make your job of making custom parts a lot easier.
2:53 Scorpion tank from halo
Hey what’s up bros how y’all doing much love
I like the big guy who is commentating the video. Seems like he could be the funniest dude ever. Lmao
I hope Musk contacts yall and incorporates your suspension. They can call it the Sparks package
Yeah, because 1,000's of people are going to run 18" spacers and huge tracks 😂
@@aaronproctor4745 it would be nice to have the option
Spacers don’t help at all, that’s one thing I’ll never use.
But looks awesome!
2 or 3 inches spacers, maybe... but 15 inches like that.. No
Yep.. Since they had to rebuild the control arms anyway... They should have just made them longer so that the hub reaches out far enough and doesn't need the wheel spacers... They need a better lead designer/ engineer
@@calholli yea that’s true, I seen to many people lose wheels due to spacer failure.
Get off set wheels or something at least but in this case would be best to do what you said.
The next thing you know, you guys will have a tesla contract building parts for them
Nothing better than doing truck stuff with a truck.
Not a truck....it's a Subaru Brat that's less dependable......130k turd
@@MrCtts33but it is a truck. The company that makes it say it is so unless you can make a company produce a vehicle and all that your opinion is null.
Tesla will now know what to beef up for their future models...
Amazing. I love the reverse engineering skills!
You will make so beefy and not break but be so heavy that you’ll get 10 minutes of battery run time now lol
Cybertruck? They should've called it the Cybersux
So in other words you guys made that stupid truck stronger than the way it came from the factory because apparently those parts that are on the truck originally were paper thin and were no good Tesla should be a shame of themselves to say that's the world's best truck at no it's a piece of crap but when you guys put your hands on it you make it 100 times better. Great video
What didn't Dave break lol😂😂😂
Why do the tracks have to stick out so far can't they be built to be under the truck that will stress the parts less
Why don't you guys get a JETSON ONE
Heavy D can break a anvil 😂😂😂👍
The new Tesla proving grounds!
Tesla need to get rid of the stamped steel control arms.
Not the Volts that Kill Yuh it's the AMP's! Only 0.02 AMP's will Kill a Adult Human!!
nice
Now that Dave has EV love he is side ---- Elon X10
is hoonigans ex employee roncar, supercar ron?
Definitely not Ron doesn't have that kind of money u saw the cars he had to work on at hoonigan they definitely weren't super cars
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Put the tracks on a 70s Dodge truck and not a single thing would break in the same testing as the cyber turd
I know you'll figure it out because that's what you and your crew does.
It would hav been easer to redesign the whole thing from the frame up then the tracks can be underneath etc...
Easier*
It's bonkers how thin those control arms and tie rods are. Elon said this truck would be the best production offroad truck ever and yet made everything so fragile.
EDIT: I understand it wasnt built for the added stress brought on by the spacers and tracks. That doesnt change how thin the material is on those control arms. Even my Volvo has sturdier control arms than this 7000 lb truck.
The control arms were not designed for about 200 lbs 20 in spacers and helltracks combined.
@@ffter888 I understand that but it's still a 7000 lb truck that Elon claimed would be "the best offroad vehicle". A good offroad vehicle has suspension/steering components that can handle abuse and yet someone broke the tie rods on a stock CT at king of the hammers doing donuts in loose dirt.
the tie roads look even flimsier then the early duramax tie rods that are notorious for being wet noodles
is there anything that dave CANT break?
Please don’t test him
@@SparksMotorsCo i feel like this whole channel is a durability test on whatever dave can get his hands on.
Why's Ron hiding his identity? Afraid Elons gonna send assassins after him? Jk 😂
Quality of the content has really fallen off on Heavy D's channels latetely, and the 5 min add for a stupid shirt in a 9 min video is just ridiculous..
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MR. SPARKS BROKE IT. IT'S GOT TO BE HANS HE BRAKES EVERYTHING. MICHAEL WARDEN PAYETTE,IDAHO.
Hans is on his way to your house
Beta testing the cybertruck, cool opportunity!
You exposed the "CYBERCRAP"...
They didn't even hit the pedal.
Watch Heavy D’s episodes. It does great!!
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If you're putting a fkn 1 1/2 minute ad for ugly clothes, please, make the fabrication video longer than 9 minutes! Show us the cutting, welding, whatever the f!
So that’s a factory upper control arm on the cyber truck!!! One pothole and it will be totaled. What a pile of crap! I know it’s not but for off-road but damn!
This comment aged well, lol. Tesla just came out with a video of a stock truck going thru Hells Revenge in Moab.
Hmm might want to go check there bud. I believe it IS meant for off-road.
Yeah that had to be the weakest looking upper control arm I've ever seen on a truck
Every set of tracks iv seen fitted to vehicles that aren't designed to use tracks, fail within minutes of driving the thing. Why would the cyber truck be any different
come on guys
the wheel caps were pulled off because they presented a risk to other drivers when they flew off on the road.
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Tell Dave I’m a fab guy. Can’t tell ya what union I’m with but I have a few weld certs. I just wanna work on shit like that. I’d do it for free lol.
make it to an SUV
So its not a truck at all .. got it
Wanna see it break? Let whistlin diesel drive it. It'll for sure break 😅
Who do you think he learned it from 😂
Absolutely
Whistlin diesel will just bring you back sheets of metal 😂 definitely keep as far as possible away from him I wouldn’t even let him look at it 😂😂😂😂
...you could have done a lot less carnage use smaller (narrower) tracks...-theautojunkie-
Thanks for showing us how bad the Cybertruck is build...
DSparks - TESLA video - Cybertruck tackles HELLS REVENGE in Utah.
Maybe if this guy introduced himself he’d be more relatable. The guys don’t even seem to know his name.
Which guy?
@@SparksMotorsCo Exactly! The guy from parks and rec, Reno 911, and every movie that uses the phrase boom chicka wow wow!
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More Tesla garbage!!!!! What an ugly God awful looking scrap mobile.
Park every useless EV
To be honest, after seeing these videos. The tesla truck looks like garbage.
so, what you're saying is the cybertruck is a piece of shit don't buy one
an 8 minute clip with a 6.5 minute ad for a damn shirt.
I wouldn’t go back to the stock setting leave it lift with some 22s and some 35 inch tires so it be the first lifted one out there