I think that the arguments for Wrecking Ball are the same as for Winston. You don´t want to get in a fist fight with Rein, but until a really high rank people can´t support and stay alive against dive heroes at the same time. But purely 1v1, this list is awesome! Thanks!
no problem man, I'm glad you enjoyed! I tried to look at this list in terms of overall matchup in game, and obviously the dive tanks will struggle against grouped up brawl style comps :( but they certainly have their place in the game! I just think Winston could use a litttttle buff at the moment...
Against Sigma the best time I've had so far with many team comps has been using Rein and getting close. Since you can block more than him, including rocks and he cant absorb melee.
as a sig main, a competent Rein means an instant switch. he's always been a decent counter, to me anyway. If you can keep Rein at range though you can usually whittle him down. It's kinda circumstantial though.
Its all tricky, if your playing against rein, He is gonna throw his first two fire strikes, probably right were you place your sheild, usually one right after the other. So you can absorb both of them. So if your playing rein, throw one fire strike, and see if he uses absorb, wait till its done then throw the other one. Then its all about rock throw. If your sig, wait till he tries to charge and hit him with rock, if your rein, you need to sheild fake him and save you charge. If you can walk him down, without your sheild breaking, he will throw rock soon as you walk past his sheild usually, so sheild up right before he does, soon as you block the rock, shoulder charge, and remember rocks gonna come back while you fight him, so get used to the cool down and throw the sheild back up while you are swinging your hammer. As Sigma a close rein is bad, but doesnt always mean death, remember you still gotta hit him with your pebbles, and if you can rock him again while he is close, thats two while he is on the ground for flinching. The best way to counter one, is to learn to play the other. I dont think picking a counter is necessarily always the right move. Its a game of wits when trying to out tank another tank, so always be playing chess while the other dude is playing checkers.
@@StraysoftheBeyond honestly it depends on if he’s closing the distance, if you’re defending or attacking, and his damages vs yours, if you stay at a distance but his damages are breaking your line then you’re fucked but if they are just weaker then your damages then you’ll be able to push them into spawn
oh for sure! if you're high enough skill on ANY hero, you can still defeat your counters. this is just a list based around the concept of counter swapping, and what you can swap to :)
Ramattra can counter dva and zarya quite well. He Can punch through her defense matrix and outpoke her with his staff. His void barrier can also can cut heals from dva too, same with zarya. You can punch through Zaryas bubble although(not the target that got bubbled). You can use void barrier to prevent zarya from damaging you. He can force zarya bubble early on with his staff. His nemesis form is literally rein 1.5 which she has problems with.
I think I agree with the DVa matchup actually! it didn't come to mind when thinking of "strong" matchups for Ram, but in hindsight I do think he does a great job against her. good point! :)
I find junker queen also works good vs ramatra as her knife pull can also move him out of position and her shout let's your team more easily escape his ultimate and harder to hit with the speed boost. Sometimes I've had ramatras miss their first 2 shots in nemesis form because I used shout and they don't expect me to be so far ahead of where I was before.
As a Dva one trick, Zarya isn’t usually too bad, as long as my DPS don’t charge her. The only one I struggle with is sigma, but if I have a good Sombra or Bastion, then we chillin.
I think that matchup can kinda be map dependent. for example, if you're playing on Dorado, then DVa has a lot of space to escape from the Zarya but still be effective. on a neutral map though, I would definitely give Zarya the edge :)
A bad bastion will make the sigma match up really hard. 😂 I’m a sigma main. The amount of times times I win because there’s a really bad bastion is so funny. I just stand in front of them and eat it every thing.
Even now, it's been such a goddamn SLOG to get through these UNRANKED matches. Mauga makes Unranked feel like Comp I stg. It's like bashing your head against a damn wall if you're playing as tank. You dive? He spins around because he got high sensitivty and he's a try hard, and he melts your ass. If you just stick to his face, you get melted at close range. Medium? He won't kill you, but then he always has some BS flier damage like echo or pharah with him, or you might see a Reaper or Sombra flanking your team and now you get stuck. What even is the counter for Mauga besides another Mauga? I can't figure it out. It's making me want to uninstall
Eyy thanks a bunch, that's awesome to hear! I've always been a visual learner so it's even useful for myself to show direct examples hahah. I'm glad you enjoy the content :)
Rein vs Ram is an interesting topic. They both are able to out trade each other but that's not where the debate should be rooted at. We know Rein has better stats. We also need to look at Ramattras playstyle. If Ramattra clicks Nemesis form, chucking into a tank is not efficient use of it. Typically they go for the squishier targets right after taking Nemesis form. That being said, rein has really good tools to peel against that. Therefore I actually favor rein in this engagement
my perspective on this essentially comes from which tank has better survivability if when the resources run out. for sure, Ram shouldn't just be punching into a Rein, but if the Rein is low HP he can do NOTHING to stop the Ram from finishing him off. on the other hand, if Ramattra is low HP, his block is still SUPER effective against Rein's hammer :)
Sigma is effective against rams ult because of his barrier being able to block the tether also if ram runs at sigma sigma can rock him and retreat but overall I agree with your opinion
Mostly agree, but for Doom matchups, I'm just a diamond Doom main, I think Doom do ok into Zarya (bait out bubbles easily with punch cancel, and with a good burst into Zarya with no cool downs), and Doom feels bad into Junker Queen (easy knife when blocking, and when retreat with shift, she can pull with dagger to cancel ur retreat during mid-air).
Tank knock back reduction was needed, but I will always miss being able to boop Winstons out of a jump with dvas boosters. It was like the only time you could use dvas boop effectively unless someone was standing directly on an edge 😭
Imo a good junker queen player could be very effective against sigma, if she understands how he play she could always keep him near and use the axe to be very painful
true true! but I tried to assume both tank players were of even skill, since I think any tank matchup is definitely winnable should one player be good enough to turn it around. with that said, I could definitely see this being an even matchup though :)
I will say this as a D. Va main, Zarya is not her only bad matchup, while it is most definitely her worst, she has a losing matchup against Sigma and Reinhart aswell, as they both have shields and completely shut down her ult, they both have ways to just cancel her from getting back in mech entirely, and in Sigma's case, she has absolutely no way to get through his suck.
that's totally fair! I would classify Sigma and Rein as more even matchups for DVa myself, but I can see how you dislike those for sure! against Rein in particular, I think that eating fire strikes and providing relatively effective shield break can be a pain for him :)
@@BaileysOver Yes, i will say this, Rein is much less so compared to Sigma, so long as its a team fight and not a 1v1, but in a 1v1, Rein will always win vs D. Va unless ur consistently hitting reins head
typically yes, but I think Ball's mobility is way too high for Orisa. she can't spend the entire game chasing him around the map, so it does end up being a little more even than expected imo :)
Junkerqueen is fine against winston but like he could just jump out and if he’s playing smart and not jumping into the whole team and isolating squishies the junker queen realistically would likely be brawling and therefore probably not going to peel to fight the winton
yup! but that's the consideration you have to make with ALL dive tanks against ALL brawl tanks... if they peel, is it effective? I believe that Junker Queen peeling for Winston IS effective, but something like Rein peeling for Ball? no chance :)
I’ve been maining Doom this season and Hog isn’t that bad. With his hook cooldown being the same as your block, he can always get a full charge for his fist from after getting hooked. Then you quick punch him away and get free shots.
I think if you're good enough at ANY hero, you can outplay their counters. I do still think that Hog is a good counter to Doom, but definitely not impossible! :)
imo doom and hog feels like a more even match up now compared to when hog was meta. however i do think it requires more from the doomfist. doom has to have one cooldown available for escape or he will be burst down by the hog BUT he can cancel both of hog's cooldowns which is pretty good. and yes as the original comment said: you can time your block if you get hooked to get empowered
honestly, Doom is kinda consistent I'm ngl! his weak and strong matchups are closer to even than a lot of other tanks' matchups are, so everything is definitely winnable imo :)
I just started playing ow2 I played quite a bit of ow1 like midway through its life an I try to main tank or support but my go to tanks are JQ an Doomfist I like the control I have on the enemy team how I can hard carry teams an dictate the pace of the game an I haven’t really found hard counters besides orchia sometimes she can mess me up but I just try to avoid her on those characters an hard dive the back team
I say rein counter sigma Sigma can use rock against charging rein, but he will more often cancel it and use the shield to block the rock Also Sigma can't protect himself at close range
I've discussed this matchup a LOT, and ultimately settled with it being neutral. as a Sigma player, I actually like the matchup vs Rein :') it might just be me being weird, and I'm open to changing my mind in future, but for now I just left it as neutral :)
@@BaileysOver My Sigma v Rein games usually either go extremely well or horribly and I think it ultimately depends on your dps and the enemy supports. You can quite easily block off Rein support with your shield or absorb projectiles if the enemy team focuses you with Rein. If your dps can act on Rein's engage with your blocking of their supports and dps with your shield, Rein can quickly get taken out or forced to retreat
I think you nailed it! keep your space, and if you work as a team to poke out the Rein's resources, you'll win the war of attrition. works SUPER well in higher ranks, but I can see why the lower ranked players don't like Sigma that much... :(
that's definitely a tough matchup. my real advice would be to swap to Reinhardt, but ik counter swapping is kinda cringe lmao all you can really do is try to push into Zarya's teammates when she has low energy and no bubbles left. the Zarya player will probably try to push into your team, but with low energy you'll have the advantage and should be able to take out her teammates before she can take out yours :)
This is obviously slightly outdated since it's before Mauga came out, but I've been STRUGGLING to the point of full-on tilting during matches... and it's mainly because of 2 tanks in particular: Mauga and Reinhardt. Every other game lately I get these two idiots on the enemy team alternating. I main DVa and she can survive them, but she cant push forward. She doesnt survive long enough to really dive, they just spin around and melt you if you try. So I tried Mauga vs Reinhardt because I was told online that that was the new choice for counter, and it doesn't work... He's so upclose, and Mauga's bullets dont really do enough damage medium range to melt the shield so you gotta go right up in his face. I keep trying to slam beyond his shield so his entire team or most of them plus himself get disoriented, but it doesn't last long enough to fully kill anyone beyond a single support, which i die in the process since my team never wants to push with me. I'm gonna try Orisa vs Reinhardt in Unranked for a few weeks and see if I can crack the code finally, but Im not crossing my fingers..
I wouldn't say rein is a counter to Zarya , Zarya at high charge can absolutely melt rein , and she doesn't need to be in his face to do dmg she can keep kiting him Also she can counter his charge and shatter with her bubble ,
I just think that the playstyle of these two tanks (hard brawl) means that they WILL have to be in each other's face if they wanna make progress. when it comes to this fight, Rein wins it without a doubt, since his shield can block all of Zarya's damage and his health pool is MUCH larger :)
The problem that comes from the matchups is when you consider the dps in this equation, it gets pretty chaotic. Every time I go against a good team, it takes pretty much 2s for some dps to get simetra or mei against Dva, close the door behind and you are dead, so it doesn't really matter that much if they have whatever when the other team have a brain cell, same for winston and reaper. What can we do in this situation? Sit and cry XD?
as a self proclaimed Winston main, I totally get the Reaper thing :') supports ALSO make a ton of difference. if you're running Rein to counter a Zarya but you have Zen and Mercy to sustain you, of course you won't win just because you're running the "counter" tank. there are a lot of factors at play, I just tried to do my best with this list hahah
Sooo does anyone want to explain how to counter Zarya as Winston? Sure I'd assume you dive Zarya's backline, but when do you do it? and what if the group stays together?
Usally as Winston you'd have dive characters with you like genji or tracer so you're not exactly going in 1v5 and when properly coordinated you can swiftly take out their backline before the zarya can do anything
you got most of it! you focus the backline mainly, and if they group together you look for lighter engagements - don't worry about killing everyone. focus on distracting the enemy by making them peel for you, making them use resources such as cooldowns, and soften them up for your teammates to follow up on :)
I did consider these! I think that DVa especially could be moved into that green section. as for Junker Queen, I think her speed boost and self healing gives her a bit of dynamism in the Reinhardt fight, so I don't know if I'd call him a counter - but it's definitely close! :)
A good Orisa can counter a Sigma. Both the rock and his Ult can be nulified by fortify. Even Mid ult, Orisa can just use fortify and just fall out of his ult.
yeah, she is good against Sigma's ult, but struggles otherwise. it's kinda like how Zarya is AMAZING against DVa, even if DVa can completely counter Zarya's ult with matrix. matchups are complex :')
@@BaileysOver I'm also pretty sure spear completely cancels his Ult, also fortify completely destroys the utility of rock as well. I have more trouble out of Orisa as Sigma than I do as Rein. Even if you Ult someone else, Orisa can knock you out of it with Javolin. I know Sigmas sheild can block her ult if its placed on the ground. But Orisas Utility gives her an Edge fighting a Sigma. The only time a Sigma can hit her with Rock is if shes doing Javoline spin or just primary firing.
my tip would be to keep your range :) you're much more effective from far out than Orisa is, and it makes her cooldowns a lot more difficult to use effectively too
@@BaileysOver really it all boils down to what your doing and the team comp. A lot of times people think a tank lost a battle because both tanks might have a bastion and one tank lost. But Sigma is good when fighting both alongside and agains a bastion, where as Orisa is not particularly good or bad at either. The way you fight orisa is you take out her backline, she is brawl so she charges is. Without flanks or dives in you comp to take out her back line, or a dps who can strait up burn her down with Zen on support to discord. Your gonna have a bad time fighting Orisa as Sig.
yup yup! ALL of Overwatch is VERY nuanced, so there's definitely not one tank that 100% beats another :') it's important to consider all factors within a matchup, and it looks like you kinda get that :D
I think Rein not so bad against Rammatra. Ram cannot do anything to Rein without a nemesis form. Punchy boi form has a cooldown so Rein can play around it. Also Earthshatter goes thru Ram’ block and shield denies Annihilation.
I can see that! I just think that Ram has a few more options than Rein does when he gets low. for example, Ram's block WILL prevent (most of) Rein's damage, but Ram is always able to damage Rein (assuming he's timed his nemesis form correctly). with that said, I definitely do not think this is an IMPOSSIBLE matchup for Rein, just favourable for Ram imo :)
@@BaileysOver fair point. Maybe I am just more favourable for Rein. Also it is good to try charge low hp Ram when he blocks even if u can’t crush him into a wall, cuz it makes a time window for your team to confirm the kill. But if you a low hp Rein against Rammatra in Nemesis form you just need to pray on your supports.
hahah that's fair! I've been pushing support in comp recently with a Rein main, and every time we face Ram I KNOW I have to pay attention to that nemesis form so I can pocket him :') tank is a hard role man
@@BaileysOver Yeah. Range of Ram’s punches is insane. I had a ton of games that i won by killing people thru an enemy tank. I think one of the most hard things about tanks in ow2 is that there is only one player in that role and nobody can replace him. So if your tank is week - 90% you will lose. Also if you made a mistake there is no more second tank that can help you to win a teamfight or just survive. And tank conterpicking is horrible.
oh yeah fr man, I typically end up entirely disengaging from fights if our tank goes down. sure, we're only down one player, but the tank role is SO important in ow2 :')
I think rein is pretty good against sigma as well cos he can blocked sigmas rock get up close and just go crazy and there’s not a lot that sigma can do cos he can’t do anything too stop reins hammer
as a Sigma player, I like the matchup against Rein! I decided to keep it as even because I've heard a lot of people share your opinion, so even feels fair enough :)
yeah he's decent! the only thing stopping him from being green is the ability for Rein to group up with his team, and for him to charge whenever the Doom blocks. more of a neutral matchup imo :)
I think that Orisa doesn’t counter hog that match it just depends on cool downs because hog just does so much damage if you land every pellet on orisa she’s a big target
If orissa has a single ability she can survive a hog. Fortification stops grab or gives hp to survive it, Javelin and spin creates distance after grab and his dps falls off pretty bad afterwards.
I'm a ball player, how is hog a counter and why would you stay close to him ? He has no mobility and once his hook is used you can just go and overshield to a mega
generally yeah, you should avoid the Hog! but if his team stay remotely close to him, you're gonna have to get close to impact the game. I think Ball can play around ANY matchup, but if I HAD to pick a counter it would be Hog :)
The argument for doom>Winston is not that doom can 1v4 better thats terribly false. Doom can peel easily with his mobility and save a teammate or just negate Winston dive completely with his cc. Doom can actually burst half Winston’s health pretty easily as well so a peeling doom has a decent chance to kill.
I think you're right, but it's a bit of both imo! Winston by himself is a relatively ineffective tank, so if the Doom can distract his team the Winston is relatively useless but, if the Winston's team does attack with him, Doom IS way better at peeling back and disrupting this (not to mention how good even his primary fire is against Winston!) so I definitely agree, I just had to shorten a few explanations to fit in the video :')
I like this video will you do one regarding tank matchup with support? Since support have a lot of ability to shutdown tank and force a change even if its a favorable tank matchup
Doomfist is more of a reactive tank imo and relies heavily on his team to get a whole lot of value n shit, man cannot commit unless he'll get out safely with a kill. He's the weakest tank atm, but I'd say he's very good at punching away any diving tanks
I actually think, when it comes to dive tanks, he has a little more self sustain than you'd think! heroes like Winston and DVa require a LOT of teammate resources, but with Doom you can get a lot of value just by doing your own thing :)
I can see that, but I do think the bubbles help Zarya out a lot here. Doom also has no defence to her beam, and she can kinda just walk into the Doom's team with little to no issue. it's definitely closer to even than a lot of the matchups out there, but I would give Doom the slight edge :)
@@BaileysOver zarya has no stuns vs doom, so its safe to block against her. And doom is always on a cooldown loop, so its very easy attack only when she doesnt have bubbles. Zarya also cant chase around doom. she has no mobility. I play doom alot and its easy to fight against her.
yeah, I don't hate this! the only problem is that Orisa IS a brawl tank, so if her team play a grouped up brawl comp, the Winston may struggle to isolate targets :)
I think it's more of an even matchup personally :) if the Sigma player keeps his effective range, then Rein can't do much in this matchup except walk and shield. I like it as a Sigma player, but I can see why Rein players like it too, so I settled on even matchup :)
oh of course! most of the tanks shouldn't really be fighting each other. I tried to base the matchups on which hero is more likely to win the game overall, not a 1v1 fight :)
hahah yeah, tank can certainly be tough. I think you can learn every tank to play independently of your teammates though - and that's the key to mastering them imo :)
Seems a little artificial considering the matchups 1v1 for tanks when you need to put things into perspective of the team tactics. Zarya is the worst against Rein and I've won several times using Rein vs Zarya and Zarya vs Rein because of team comps and Rein not being able to dive for close combat (Zenyata, Ana or anything like it on my team, since he needs huge amounts of healing you go for his healers and he turns his back to my team). Same when I had either bad teamates or other dps from the other team that dove in and makes it impossible to advance or keep a line.
oh for sure! I tried to include their playstyles (eg, dive) and even some compositional factors when making this list... but Overwatch is SO nuanced, it's impossible to nail everything :')
hahah yeah, but I would say against most of the "neutral" matchups he excels more than some tanks. I also think he's a hero that can outplay a lot of bad matchups, you just have to get REALLY good at the hero :')
honestly, I think this is a slight matchup for Winston in hindsight. however, Ram compositions are typically brawl compositions, which can counter Winston by staying close together and punishing him. so it favours Winston, but not that strongly imo :)
Winston is a different kind of dive to something like Doomfist. Doomfist goes in, tries to get the kill, then gets out. Winston is a more sustained style of dive, usually with more assistance from his teammates. this generally means that they can EITHER wait for the bubble to expire, or they can break through the bubble and kill the enemy after (since they planned to be engaged for a longer period of time than a Doomfist would). it's moreso down to the team composition - with Doom being more solo than Winston :)
Id say sigma is actually one of rams biggest weaknesses, as all you have to do is play around your barrier to counter his melee, rock forces him out of his block and your blackhole eats his abilities
unfortunately Ramattra's punches go through both Sigma's barrier and grasp :( if these blocks Ram's punches, I think Sigma would be a great counter, but unfortunately he get kinda rolled by punches imo
I mean it more of a general term to describe the role. if you play tank A, they swap to tank B, so you should swap to tank C, right? rather than meaning SPECIFIC tanks contribute. I hope that makes sense :')
@@BaileysOver i know that you were speaking in a general term. But i was actually hoping to get three specific tanks which i can start learning. Rather than learning them all a bit.
hahah no worries, I gotchu! I'd probably recommend learning SUPER different tanks, so you have good options on a wide variety of maps for a poke tank, I'd recommend picking up Sigma. super balanced rn, has very evenly distributed matchups, but will require some mechanical practice for brawl, I'd recommend Orisa. she has GREAT brawl matchups, probably won't ever be too weak in the meta, and all you'll real need to pick up is her cooldown cycle for dive, I'd recommend DVa. not really a DIVE dive hero, but can function like one and has a LOT of extra utility. her matchups are very good, but she will be the most aim intensive out of these three tanks if you're new to the tank role in general, I'd recommend learning on Rein. I've just finished editing a video about the best "pick up and play" heroes on every role - so stay tuned if you're thinking about picking up tank :D
I dont think orisa is particulary good against junker queen, coming up close orisa can not sustain the costant damage of junker queen and her healing while its very easy to aim with knife to pull her due to her large hitbox and low movility, i have used junker queen against her a lot and i find the matchup pretty favorable
that's fair enough! I think if the Orisa player uses her cooldowns smartly, she can be a great stopper to everything Junker Queen tries to do. but hety, more power to you man B)
MY DEDASS THOUGHT I WAS SMART FOR USING SIGMA AGAINST RAMMATRA🤡🤣🤣🤡🤣🤡 . I fr thought i countered him because i could use my rock to counter his second form 😂😂
hahah we've all been there! rock is a great stun, but doesn't take him out of form or really slow him down that much :( I'd recommend playing Hog or some kinda dive hero against Ram :)
oh yeah, the best Doom players in the world can play around ANYTHING. for the general player though, playing Doom into Orisa is gonna be a difficult task, so it'd probably be best to switch - that's the main purpose of this list :)
Disagree with ram against sigma Sigma can stay back and use his balls against ram in his nemesis mode his big rock gives him time to go back and hit ram at the same time, ram’s shield really isn’t a big problem to sigma cause if ram is in omnic form he could just suck up all projectiles thrown by ram or any teammate and gets a health boost. Also sigma balls are unbelievably strong.
Sigma is a super strong tank! but the speed boost that Ram gains from entering nemesis form is very effective at closing Sigma's space - even if he gets rocked. up close, Sigma doesn't really stand a chance imo :(
I'd say it's pretty even :) if the Winston is able to isolate the Rein's teammates, then the Winston wins this matchup 100% of the time. however, if Rein's team are running a heavily brawl based comp, there's not much Winston can do - especially if they all group up with the Rein and allow him to peel for the Winston easily :)
This video is the biggest cap ive ever seen. You legit only need to play rein. He always makes big winning happen. If theres a rein and you dont mirror you have a 100% competetive loss rate
@@BaileysOver i guess but the stun can help the team run away from his ult and his shield can block his ult. so maybe they can counter each other, maybe, sort of???
I think that the arguments for Wrecking Ball are the same as for Winston. You don´t want to get in a fist fight with Rein, but until a really high rank people can´t support and stay alive against dive heroes at the same time. But purely 1v1, this list is awesome! Thanks!
no problem man, I'm glad you enjoyed! I tried to look at this list in terms of overall matchup in game, and obviously the dive tanks will struggle against grouped up brawl style comps :( but they certainly have their place in the game! I just think Winston could use a litttttle buff at the moment...
Im starting to get into tank this season and this video makes it 10x easier. Thank you
haha no worries dude! best of luck with your tanking journey :)
Against Sigma the best time I've had so far with many team comps has been using Rein and getting close. Since you can block more than him, including rocks and he cant absorb melee.
as a sig main, a competent Rein means an instant switch. he's always been a decent counter, to me anyway. If you can keep Rein at range though you can usually whittle him down. It's kinda circumstantial though.
Its all tricky, if your playing against rein, He is gonna throw his first two fire strikes, probably right were you place your sheild, usually one right after the other. So you can absorb both of them. So if your playing rein, throw one fire strike, and see if he uses absorb, wait till its done then throw the other one. Then its all about rock throw. If your sig, wait till he tries to charge and hit him with rock, if your rein, you need to sheild fake him and save you charge. If you can walk him down, without your sheild breaking, he will throw rock soon as you walk past his sheild usually, so sheild up right before he does, soon as you block the rock, shoulder charge, and remember rocks gonna come back while you fight him, so get used to the cool down and throw the sheild back up while you are swinging your hammer. As Sigma a close rein is bad, but doesnt always mean death, remember you still gotta hit him with your pebbles, and if you can rock him again while he is close, thats two while he is on the ground for flinching. The best way to counter one, is to learn to play the other. I dont think picking a counter is necessarily always the right move. Its a game of wits when trying to out tank another tank, so always be playing chess while the other dude is playing checkers.
@@StraysoftheBeyond honestly it depends on if he’s closing the distance, if you’re defending or attacking, and his damages vs yours, if you stay at a distance but his damages are breaking your line then you’re fucked but if they are just weaker then your damages then you’ll be able to push them into spawn
I've made a lot of my weaker matchups work, like Monke peeling into Doom, but I do agree with your best counters list.
oh for sure! if you're high enough skill on ANY hero, you can still defeat your counters. this is just a list based around the concept of counter swapping, and what you can swap to :)
Ramattra can counter dva and zarya quite well. He Can punch through her defense matrix and outpoke her with his staff. His void barrier can also can cut heals from dva too, same with zarya.
You can punch through Zaryas bubble although(not the target that got bubbled). You can use void barrier to prevent zarya from damaging you. He can force zarya bubble early on with his staff. His nemesis form is literally rein 1.5 which she has problems with.
I think I agree with the DVa matchup actually! it didn't come to mind when thinking of "strong" matchups for Ram, but in hindsight I do think he does a great job against her. good point! :)
I find junker queen also works good vs ramatra as her knife pull can also move him out of position and her shout let's your team more easily escape his ultimate and harder to hit with the speed boost. Sometimes I've had ramatras miss their first 2 shots in nemesis form because I used shout and they don't expect me to be so far ahead of where I was before.
honestly I can see this! her shotgun is pretty good against his large hitbox too, so I could get behind this :)
@@BaileysOver also add ball good matched up for JQ cuz JQ knife also fucked ball mommentum alot also orisa can fucked ball over with her javelin
As a Dva one trick, Zarya isn’t usually too bad, as long as my DPS don’t charge her. The only one I struggle with is sigma, but if I have a good Sombra or Bastion, then we chillin.
I think that matchup can kinda be map dependent. for example, if you're playing on Dorado, then DVa has a lot of space to escape from the Zarya but still be effective. on a neutral map though, I would definitely give Zarya the edge :)
A bad bastion will make the sigma match up really hard. 😂 I’m a sigma main. The amount of times times I win because there’s a really bad bastion is so funny. I just stand in front of them and eat it every thing.
@@djblade3688 lol, the amount of health you’ll get is immaculate. But who do you struggle against the most?
sigma directly counters bastion, like its literally a cake walk to beat a bastion when your a sigma
Bro as a Zarya main I get ecstatic when I see a dva player because they give me so much free damage and charge if I time my bubbles right
Doomfist 00:58
Diva 02:00
Junkerquinn 03:00
Orisa 03:50
Ramatra 04:50
Reinrart 05:20
Roadhog 06:16
Sigma 06:54
Winston 07:41
Wracking ball 08:27
Zarya 8:57
Now there is Mauga that has no real counters and can be a solid counter to many tanks like winston, reinhardt, ramattra and roadhog, what a shame
Even now, it's been such a goddamn SLOG to get through these UNRANKED matches. Mauga makes Unranked feel like Comp I stg. It's like bashing your head against a damn wall if you're playing as tank. You dive? He spins around because he got high sensitivty and he's a try hard, and he melts your ass. If you just stick to his face, you get melted at close range. Medium? He won't kill you, but then he always has some BS flier damage like echo or pharah with him, or you might see a Reaper or Sombra flanking your team and now you get stuck. What even is the counter for Mauga besides another Mauga? I can't figure it out. It's making me want to uninstall
You’re one of my fave OW strat TH-camrs. Very clear w great clips for visual learners like myself. Thank you! ♥️
Eyy thanks a bunch, that's awesome to hear! I've always been a visual learner so it's even useful for myself to show direct examples hahah. I'm glad you enjoy the content :)
I play a lot of tanks and your list helped me a lot, I'm already waiting for the list of the best DPS against each TANK, thank you!
hahah thanks man! glad it helped :)
i use dva vs rein. eat every firestrike for no ult charge and constantly damage the shield to break it. works pretty well for me.
yup, pretty good matchup imo! I think it's more even due to Rein swinging on DVa for free, but I probably do slightly prefer DVa in that matchup :)
Rein vs Ram is an interesting topic. They both are able to out trade each other but that's not where the debate should be rooted at. We know Rein has better stats. We also need to look at Ramattras playstyle. If Ramattra clicks Nemesis form, chucking into a tank is not efficient use of it. Typically they go for the squishier targets right after taking Nemesis form. That being said, rein has really good tools to peel against that. Therefore I actually favor rein in this engagement
my perspective on this essentially comes from which tank has better survivability if when the resources run out. for sure, Ram shouldn't just be punching into a Rein, but if the Rein is low HP he can do NOTHING to stop the Ram from finishing him off. on the other hand, if Ramattra is low HP, his block is still SUPER effective against Rein's hammer :)
Sigma is effective against rams ult because of his barrier being able to block the tether also if ram runs at sigma sigma can rock him and retreat but overall I agree with your opinion
yeahhh Overwatch is VERY nuanced! Sigma definitely isn't USELESS against Ram, but I do feel like Ram has a lot of effective tools against Sig :')
Mostly agree, but for Doom matchups, I'm just a diamond Doom main, I think Doom do ok into Zarya (bait out bubbles easily with punch cancel, and with a good burst into Zarya with no cool downs), and Doom feels bad into Junker Queen (easy knife when blocking, and when retreat with shift, she can pull with dagger to cancel ur retreat during mid-air).
that's fair! I think Doom's matchups (outside of Orisa/Hog) are all close to even, so I can totally see that point of view :)
Tank knock back reduction was needed, but I will always miss being able to boop Winstons out of a jump with dvas boosters. It was like the only time you could use dvas boop effectively unless someone was standing directly on an edge 😭
LOL the poor Winston players man... they have two cooldowns and you gotta ruin it for them hahah
@@BaileysOver Lol yeah. I feel bad for winstons but booping him out of jump was just so funny
Imo a good junker queen player could be very effective against sigma, if she understands how he play she could always keep him near and use the axe to be very painful
true true! but I tried to assume both tank players were of even skill, since I think any tank matchup is definitely winnable should one player be good enough to turn it around. with that said, I could definitely see this being an even matchup though :)
I will say this as a D. Va main, Zarya is not her only bad matchup, while it is most definitely her worst, she has a losing matchup against Sigma and Reinhart aswell, as they both have shields and completely shut down her ult, they both have ways to just cancel her from getting back in mech entirely, and in Sigma's case, she has absolutely no way to get through his suck.
that's totally fair! I would classify Sigma and Rein as more even matchups for DVa myself, but I can see how you dislike those for sure! against Rein in particular, I think that eating fire strikes and providing relatively effective shield break can be a pain for him :)
@@BaileysOver Yes, i will say this, Rein is much less so compared to Sigma, so long as its a team fight and not a 1v1, but in a 1v1, Rein will always win vs D. Va unless ur consistently hitting reins head
oh for sure! I tried to make this list with team fights in mind, so it's a lot more applicable :)
Thank you for your video
I hope you can make dps and sp matchups guide too
thanks for watching! I actually put support on the todo list, so I'll possibly get there eventually :)
@@BaileysOver thank you for your respond
orisa has the tools to stop ball imo
typically yes, but I think Ball's mobility is way too high for Orisa. she can't spend the entire game chasing him around the map, so it does end up being a little more even than expected imo :)
Junkerqueen is fine against winston but like he could just jump out and if he’s playing smart and not jumping into the whole team and isolating squishies the junker queen realistically would likely be brawling and therefore probably not going to peel to fight the winton
yup! but that's the consideration you have to make with ALL dive tanks against ALL brawl tanks... if they peel, is it effective? I believe that Junker Queen peeling for Winston IS effective, but something like Rein peeling for Ball? no chance :)
I’ve been maining Doom this season and Hog isn’t that bad. With his hook cooldown being the same as your block, he can always get a full charge for his fist from after getting hooked. Then you quick punch him away and get free shots.
I think if you're good enough at ANY hero, you can outplay their counters. I do still think that Hog is a good counter to Doom, but definitely not impossible! :)
imo doom and hog feels like a more even match up now compared to when hog was meta. however i do think it requires more from the doomfist. doom has to have one cooldown available for escape or he will be burst down by the hog BUT he can cancel both of hog's cooldowns which is pretty good. and yes as the original comment said: you can time your block if you get hooked to get empowered
honestly, Doom is kinda consistent I'm ngl! his weak and strong matchups are closer to even than a lot of other tanks' matchups are, so everything is definitely winnable imo :)
I just started playing ow2 I played quite a bit of ow1 like midway through its life an I try to main tank or support but my go to tanks are JQ an Doomfist I like the control I have on the enemy team how I can hard carry teams an dictate the pace of the game an I haven’t really found hard counters besides orchia sometimes she can mess me up but I just try to avoid her on those characters an hard dive the back team
hahah yeah, Orisa is kinda the counter to most tanks :') the best way to beat her is to wait for her to use her cooldowns, then engage on her :)
I say rein counter sigma
Sigma can use rock against charging rein, but he will more often cancel it and use the shield to block the rock
Also Sigma can't protect himself at close range
true
I've discussed this matchup a LOT, and ultimately settled with it being neutral. as a Sigma player, I actually like the matchup vs Rein :') it might just be me being weird, and I'm open to changing my mind in future, but for now I just left it as neutral :)
I think it's fine, if rein charges, Sig can block the heal and do a dangerous amount of damage to rein while having supports healing him.
@@BaileysOver My Sigma v Rein games usually either go extremely well or horribly and I think it ultimately depends on your dps and the enemy supports. You can quite easily block off Rein support with your shield or absorb projectiles if the enemy team focuses you with Rein. If your dps can act on Rein's engage with your blocking of their supports and dps with your shield, Rein can quickly get taken out or forced to retreat
I think you nailed it! keep your space, and if you work as a team to poke out the Rein's resources, you'll win the war of attrition. works SUPER well in higher ranks, but I can see why the lower ranked players don't like Sigma that much... :(
I have 65% winrate on Orisa, but lately, i been loosing 100% games vs Zarya. So here I am, as a newbie, looking for ways to counter that BEACH
that's definitely a tough matchup. my real advice would be to swap to Reinhardt, but ik counter swapping is kinda cringe lmao
all you can really do is try to push into Zarya's teammates when she has low energy and no bubbles left. the Zarya player will probably try to push into your team, but with low energy you'll have the advantage and should be able to take out her teammates before she can take out yours :)
saw this on tiktok stuffs pretty good
ey thanks man! welcome to the channel :)
Crazy that Winston is still super good despite the bad tank matchups lol.
This is obviously slightly outdated since it's before Mauga came out, but I've been STRUGGLING to the point of full-on tilting during matches... and it's mainly because of 2 tanks in particular: Mauga and Reinhardt. Every other game lately I get these two idiots on the enemy team alternating. I main DVa and she can survive them, but she cant push forward. She doesnt survive long enough to really dive, they just spin around and melt you if you try. So I tried Mauga vs Reinhardt because I was told online that that was the new choice for counter, and it doesn't work... He's so upclose, and Mauga's bullets dont really do enough damage medium range to melt the shield so you gotta go right up in his face. I keep trying to slam beyond his shield so his entire team or most of them plus himself get disoriented, but it doesn't last long enough to fully kill anyone beyond a single support, which i die in the process since my team never wants to push with me. I'm gonna try Orisa vs Reinhardt in Unranked for a few weeks and see if I can crack the code finally, but Im not crossing my fingers..
I wouldn't say rein is a counter to Zarya ,
Zarya at high charge can absolutely melt rein , and she doesn't need to be in his face to do dmg she can keep kiting him
Also she can counter his charge and shatter with her bubble ,
I just think that the playstyle of these two tanks (hard brawl) means that they WILL have to be in each other's face if they wanna make progress. when it comes to this fight, Rein wins it without a doubt, since his shield can block all of Zarya's damage and his health pool is MUCH larger :)
The problem that comes from the matchups is when you consider the dps in this equation, it gets pretty chaotic. Every time I go against a good team, it takes pretty much 2s for some dps to get simetra or mei against Dva, close the door behind and you are dead, so it doesn't really matter that much if they have whatever when the other team have a brain cell, same for winston and reaper. What can we do in this situation? Sit and cry XD?
as a self proclaimed Winston main, I totally get the Reaper thing :') supports ALSO make a ton of difference. if you're running Rein to counter a Zarya but you have Zen and Mercy to sustain you, of course you won't win just because you're running the "counter" tank. there are a lot of factors at play, I just tried to do my best with this list hahah
Sooo does anyone want to explain how to counter Zarya as Winston? Sure I'd assume you dive Zarya's backline, but when do you do it? and what if the group stays together?
Usally as Winston you'd have dive characters with you like genji or tracer so you're not exactly going in 1v5 and when properly coordinated you can swiftly take out their backline before the zarya can do anything
you got most of it! you focus the backline mainly, and if they group together you look for lighter engagements - don't worry about killing everyone. focus on distracting the enemy by making them peel for you, making them use resources such as cooldowns, and soften them up for your teammates to follow up on :)
i think that rein counters dva, junker queen and sigma and not just zarya
I did consider these! I think that DVa especially could be moved into that green section. as for Junker Queen, I think her speed boost and self healing gives her a bit of dynamism in the Reinhardt fight, so I don't know if I'd call him a counter - but it's definitely close! :)
Honestly I have a super easy time De Meching Dva with Hog than a full power Zarya
A good Orisa can counter a Sigma. Both the rock and his Ult can be nulified by fortify. Even Mid ult, Orisa can just use fortify and just fall out of his ult.
yeah, she is good against Sigma's ult, but struggles otherwise. it's kinda like how Zarya is AMAZING against DVa, even if DVa can completely counter Zarya's ult with matrix. matchups are complex :')
@@BaileysOver I'm also pretty sure spear completely cancels his Ult, also fortify completely destroys the utility of rock as well. I have more trouble out of Orisa as Sigma than I do as Rein. Even if you Ult someone else, Orisa can knock you out of it with Javolin. I know Sigmas sheild can block her ult if its placed on the ground. But Orisas Utility gives her an Edge fighting a Sigma. The only time a Sigma can hit her with Rock is if shes doing Javoline spin or just primary firing.
my tip would be to keep your range :) you're much more effective from far out than Orisa is, and it makes her cooldowns a lot more difficult to use effectively too
@@BaileysOver really it all boils down to what your doing and the team comp. A lot of times people think a tank lost a battle because both tanks might have a bastion and one tank lost. But Sigma is good when fighting both alongside and agains a bastion, where as Orisa is not particularly good or bad at either. The way you fight orisa is you take out her backline, she is brawl so she charges is. Without flanks or dives in you comp to take out her back line, or a dps who can strait up burn her down with Zen on support to discord. Your gonna have a bad time fighting Orisa as Sig.
yup yup! ALL of Overwatch is VERY nuanced, so there's definitely not one tank that 100% beats another :') it's important to consider all factors within a matchup, and it looks like you kinda get that :D
I think Rein not so bad against Rammatra. Ram cannot do anything to Rein without a nemesis form. Punchy boi form has a cooldown so Rein can play around it. Also Earthshatter goes thru Ram’ block and shield denies Annihilation.
I can see that! I just think that Ram has a few more options than Rein does when he gets low. for example, Ram's block WILL prevent (most of) Rein's damage, but Ram is always able to damage Rein (assuming he's timed his nemesis form correctly). with that said, I definitely do not think this is an IMPOSSIBLE matchup for Rein, just favourable for Ram imo :)
@@BaileysOver fair point. Maybe I am just more favourable for Rein. Also it is good to try charge low hp Ram when he blocks even if u can’t crush him into a wall, cuz it makes a time window for your team to confirm the kill. But if you a low hp Rein against Rammatra in Nemesis form you just need to pray on your supports.
hahah that's fair! I've been pushing support in comp recently with a Rein main, and every time we face Ram I KNOW I have to pay attention to that nemesis form so I can pocket him :') tank is a hard role man
@@BaileysOver Yeah. Range of Ram’s punches is insane. I had a ton of games that i won by killing people thru an enemy tank. I think one of the most hard things about tanks in ow2 is that there is only one player in that role and nobody can replace him. So if your tank is week - 90% you will lose. Also if you made a mistake there is no more second tank that can help you to win a teamfight or just survive. And tank conterpicking is horrible.
oh yeah fr man, I typically end up entirely disengaging from fights if our tank goes down. sure, we're only down one player, but the tank role is SO important in ow2 :')
I think rein is pretty good against sigma as well cos he can blocked sigmas rock get up close and just go crazy and there’s not a lot that sigma can do cos he can’t do anything too stop reins hammer
as a Sigma player, I like the matchup against Rein! I decided to keep it as even because I've heard a lot of people share your opinion, so even feels fair enough :)
I think doomfist does really well against Reinhardt
yeah he's decent! the only thing stopping him from being green is the ability for Rein to group up with his team, and for him to charge whenever the Doom blocks. more of a neutral matchup imo :)
I think that Orisa doesn’t counter hog that match it just depends on cool downs because hog just does so much damage if you land every pellet on orisa she’s a big target
If orissa has a single ability she can survive a hog. Fortification stops grab or gives hp to survive it, Javelin and spin creates distance after grab and his dps falls off pretty bad afterwards.
Personally jq kinda counters all dive as she can knife all tanks to pull back
true! underrated tech tbh
thanks for the great tips am try it out
I'm a ball player, how is hog a counter and why would you stay close to him ? He has no mobility and once his hook is used you can just go and overshield to a mega
generally yeah, you should avoid the Hog! but if his team stay remotely close to him, you're gonna have to get close to impact the game. I think Ball can play around ANY matchup, but if I HAD to pick a counter it would be Hog :)
The argument for doom>Winston is not that doom can 1v4 better thats terribly false. Doom can peel easily with his mobility and save a teammate or just negate Winston dive completely with his cc. Doom can actually burst half Winston’s health pretty easily as well so a peeling doom has a decent chance to kill.
I think you're right, but it's a bit of both imo! Winston by himself is a relatively ineffective tank, so if the Doom can distract his team the Winston is relatively useless
but, if the Winston's team does attack with him, Doom IS way better at peeling back and disrupting this (not to mention how good even his primary fire is against Winston!)
so I definitely agree, I just had to shorten a few explanations to fit in the video :')
Update on the ram thing: orisa is really good against him
I'd probably still call it an even matchup, but yeah she's definitely not bad! :)
I like this video will you do one regarding tank matchup with support? Since support have a lot of ability to shutdown tank and force a change even if its a favorable tank matchup
I literally put this on my todo list as I was scripting this video - I think it has some potential! :)
Awesome video 😊❤
thanks man!
Doomfist is more of a reactive tank imo and relies heavily on his team to get a whole lot of value n shit, man cannot commit unless he'll get out safely with a kill. He's the weakest tank atm, but I'd say he's very good at punching away any diving tanks
I actually think, when it comes to dive tanks, he has a little more self sustain than you'd think! heroes like Winston and DVa require a LOT of teammate resources, but with Doom you can get a lot of value just by doing your own thing :)
I feel like doom v Zaria is at least a neutral matchup
I can see that, but I do think the bubbles help Zarya out a lot here. Doom also has no defence to her beam, and she can kinda just walk into the Doom's team with little to no issue. it's definitely closer to even than a lot of the matchups out there, but I would give Doom the slight edge :)
@@BaileysOver zarya has no stuns vs doom, so its safe to block against her. And doom is always on a cooldown loop, so its very easy attack only when she doesnt have bubbles. Zarya also cant chase around doom. she has no mobility. I play doom alot and its easy to fight against her.
I’d argue Winston is the best against Orisa, who can’t do shit about his dives due to her lack of mobility.
yeah, I don't hate this! the only problem is that Orisa IS a brawl tank, so if her team play a grouped up brawl comp, the Winston may struggle to isolate targets :)
Why didn't you mention rein vs sigma? Hes able to block rock and swing through his asborb.
I think it's more of an even matchup personally :) if the Sigma player keeps his effective range, then Rein can't do much in this matchup except walk and shield. I like it as a Sigma player, but I can see why Rein players like it too, so I settled on even matchup :)
Winston, ball and the fist arent there to fight other tanks.
oh of course! most of the tanks shouldn't really be fighting each other. I tried to base the matchups on which hero is more likely to win the game overall, not a 1v1 fight :)
As tank main its hard cause my tm8s don't listen
hahah yeah, tank can certainly be tough. I think you can learn every tank to play independently of your teammates though - and that's the key to mastering them imo :)
Seems a little artificial considering the matchups 1v1 for tanks when you need to put things into perspective of the team tactics. Zarya is the worst against Rein and I've won several times using Rein vs Zarya and Zarya vs Rein because of team comps and Rein not being able to dive for close combat (Zenyata, Ana or anything like it on my team, since he needs huge amounts of healing you go for his healers and he turns his back to my team). Same when I had either bad teamates or other dps from the other team that dove in and makes it impossible to advance or keep a line.
oh for sure! I tried to include their playstyles (eg, dive) and even some compositional factors when making this list... but Overwatch is SO nuanced, it's impossible to nail everything :')
That rein matchups hurt. Hey you're good against one tank that you rarely see but dogshit at fighting all the ones people play
hahah yeah, but I would say against most of the "neutral" matchups he excels more than some tanks. I also think he's a hero that can outplay a lot of bad matchups, you just have to get REALLY good at the hero :')
Why does no one talk about Ram vs Winston match-up?
honestly, I think this is a slight matchup for Winston in hindsight. however, Ram compositions are typically brawl compositions, which can counter Winston by staying close together and punishing him. so it favours Winston, but not that strongly imo :)
I don't get how zarya is good against dive tanks cause she can protect her team but she's weak against winston
Winston is a different kind of dive to something like Doomfist. Doomfist goes in, tries to get the kill, then gets out. Winston is a more sustained style of dive, usually with more assistance from his teammates. this generally means that they can EITHER wait for the bubble to expire, or they can break through the bubble and kill the enemy after (since they planned to be engaged for a longer period of time than a Doomfist would). it's moreso down to the team composition - with Doom being more solo than Winston :)
They did my monke dirty .
yup :( poor monke
Id say sigma is actually one of rams biggest weaknesses, as all you have to do is play around your barrier to counter his melee, rock forces him out of his block and your blackhole eats his abilities
unfortunately Ramattra's punches go through both Sigma's barrier and grasp :( if these blocks Ram's punches, I think Sigma would be a great counter, but unfortunately he get kinda rolled by punches imo
You often mention a rock, paper scissor matchup. Which are the three tanks you would recommend to master in the current meta?
I mean it more of a general term to describe the role. if you play tank A, they swap to tank B, so you should swap to tank C, right? rather than meaning SPECIFIC tanks contribute. I hope that makes sense :')
@@BaileysOver i know that you were speaking in a general term. But i was actually hoping to get three specific tanks which i can start learning. Rather than learning them all a bit.
hahah no worries, I gotchu! I'd probably recommend learning SUPER different tanks, so you have good options on a wide variety of maps
for a poke tank, I'd recommend picking up Sigma. super balanced rn, has very evenly distributed matchups, but will require some mechanical practice
for brawl, I'd recommend Orisa. she has GREAT brawl matchups, probably won't ever be too weak in the meta, and all you'll real need to pick up is her cooldown cycle
for dive, I'd recommend DVa. not really a DIVE dive hero, but can function like one and has a LOT of extra utility. her matchups are very good, but she will be the most aim intensive out of these three tanks
if you're new to the tank role in general, I'd recommend learning on Rein. I've just finished editing a video about the best "pick up and play" heroes on every role - so stay tuned if you're thinking about picking up tank :D
I dont think orisa is particulary good against junker queen, coming up close orisa can not sustain the costant damage of junker queen and her healing while its very easy to aim with knife to pull her due to her large hitbox and low movility, i have used junker queen against her a lot and i find the matchup pretty favorable
that's fair enough! I think if the Orisa player uses her cooldowns smartly, she can be a great stopper to everything Junker Queen tries to do. but hety, more power to you man B)
updated version?
everything in this video still applies! it'll just be missing mauga when he comes out :')
good video
thanks man! :)
MY DEDASS THOUGHT I WAS SMART FOR USING SIGMA AGAINST RAMMATRA🤡🤣🤣🤡🤣🤡 . I fr thought i countered him because i could use my rock to counter his second form 😂😂
hahah we've all been there! rock is a great stun, but doesn't take him out of form or really slow him down that much :( I'd recommend playing Hog or some kinda dive hero against Ram :)
but how do you play against the counters that's the only interesting thing
Doom can be good against orisa as long you kill the supps and dps like what zbra does since I really need to practice
oh yeah, the best Doom players in the world can play around ANYTHING. for the general player though, playing Doom into Orisa is gonna be a difficult task, so it'd probably be best to switch - that's the main purpose of this list :)
Disagree with ram against sigma
Sigma can stay back and use his balls against ram in his nemesis mode his big rock gives him time to go back and hit ram at the same time, ram’s shield really isn’t a big problem to sigma cause if ram is in omnic form he could just suck up all projectiles thrown by ram or any teammate and gets a health boost. Also sigma balls are unbelievably strong.
Sigma is a super strong tank! but the speed boost that Ram gains from entering nemesis form is very effective at closing Sigma's space - even if he gets rocked. up close, Sigma doesn't really stand a chance imo :(
winston is so good against rein bro
I'd say it's pretty even :) if the Winston is able to isolate the Rein's teammates, then the Winston wins this matchup 100% of the time. however, if Rein's team are running a heavily brawl based comp, there's not much Winston can do - especially if they all group up with the Rein and allow him to peel for the Winston easily :)
@@BaileysOver if you play wisnton like me your smoking them all 0 diff🥱🥱🥱
Huge video. Pogchamp ESL guy very good tank omg massive hog
Do support
it's on the todo list! :)
This video is the biggest cap ive ever seen. You legit only need to play rein. He always makes big winning happen. If theres a rein and you dont mirror you have a 100% competetive loss rate
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What I learned that orisa is stupid and should be fixed
LOL she's super strong rn, could definitely use a lil nerf :')
i use sig to counter ram, he can stun ram and fly away with ult, I'm pretty sure sigma can suck rams punches
but still a very good video
It doesn't succ punches
@@MANDM72 it still sucks hi omnic form bullets and there is a lot of them, so easy health
Sigma cannot suck Ram punches, which is what makes him really weak against Ram :( I love Sig to pieces, but this isn't his matchup imo
@@BaileysOver i guess but the stun can help the team run away from his ult and his shield can block his ult. so maybe they can counter each other, maybe, sort of???
This game is still a pile of garbage, everyone’s unbalanced, the devs are sleeping, people play sweaty characters that require no skill
lots of awful takes in here
Honestly idk why doom is a tank he’s basically just ow1 doom with a sustain ability
yeahhh but at least he can't one shot us anymore (kinda) :')