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Think I've had my basic all plastic Lee measure for 20 some odd years. I'm sure these new ones are better, but I've never found myself needing to upgrade. For the money Lee makes some outstanding equipment.
With my Lee measure, I was getting load charges weights all over the place, which was driving me crazy. Finally, I took it apart and found granules were sticking to the inside of the drop tube. You gotta REALLY clean the factory lubricant off using acetone or isopropyl alcohol. Once that was done, threw consistent charges every time.
I noticed mine wasn't throwing consistent powder charges but I only use it for black powder, so I never bothered to clean it out. I'll have to try your method see if it works better.
Graphite lube on the inner drum where it rubs on the bearing surfaces definitely helps with all the Lee powder measures. It doesn't do overly well with incredibly fine powders, say Alliant 2400 (you will get leakage out the sides no matter how tight the drums are) but over all once you get them running they will be in that +/- 0.1gr range. Just don't expect precision performace from it.
The accuracy of the CC measurement on the Lee models is dependent on several things. A big one is the downward pressure the powder in the hopper exerts when throwing a chrage. For example, a high fill pushes more powder into the cylinder per stroke than a low fill level, and this is to be expected. As a result, using the sliding conversion chart is only good if you are unfamiliar with the powder. Otherwise, you learn to adjust as you fill your cases, usually increasing the throw 1 click as you go. This style of measure is always going to require weighing nearly all your throws to be sure you are being consistent and safe if you are near a max load volume. If you want speed and consistency, IMHO you have to upgrade to an electronic dispenser like the RCBS Chargemaster Lite/Link unit Johnny has.
This video brought to y'all from twitch streams where we told Johnny lee made a metal deluxe version when he was complaining about the handle on the plastic one, i miss twich stream nights!! Thanks for all your great content johnny, have a great Christmas and new year!
You can make the plastic to plastic fit even better if you take some Bartenders Friend and lap the two cones together. That removes any unevenness in the mating surfaces, and makes H110 work very well.
Lee has come a long way, been using Lee stuff for years. When I first got into reloading ammo years ago I thought their stuff was not that great, I learned a lot . Lee makes some good stuff! My pro 1000 has at least 10000 rounds loaded and maybe more. New pro 1000 is better.
That's pretty much what I do, I might sit and load 100 rounds on a busy day and I enjoy the solitude so the slowness of this method is no problem. If I were loading more rounds than that more often I would want a better system.
I have both and definitely like the steel drum on the deluxe... I can get finicky, but it seems to be very consistent... Oh, and yeah, a little wipe with anti-static dryer sheets work wonders...
2 tips I use a new Downey Free (or equivalent) dryer sheet to wipe down all my plastic reloading components and my RCBS Chargemaster Link as well as any powder containers. Also, I use that powder attachment/funnel on/off gadget when switching powders to neatly dump the extra (or waste) back into the powder container.
Thanks Johnny. I've had trouble with my Lee Perfect Powder Measure binding the fine spherical powders. Thinking seriously about making an upgrade. It was so bad I started scooping and trickling the loads.
With a lot of the plastic accoutrements you can take a dryer sheet and wipe them down and that will alleviate a lot of the static cling. You may have to repeat a time or two but it drastically shortens the "break in" period for static issues. I still roll with the RCBS powder drop. I don't use it for extruded powders, none of the drops measure it accurately so why bother. I just use my Chargemaster 1500 to run extruded charges then transfer to a different scale for trickle up.
Hello again, did I hear you at some point say that when you purchase this Le Deluxe kit, it must be cleaned of any oils or packing lubricants Before using? I already purchased it a week ago, but have not set it up yet. Thought I'd ask..
I have been reloading since 2005 and for the first 10-12 years i used Lee products almost exclusively. For new reloaders the Lee price point looks appealing but in the long run you will be better off by investing a little more for higher quality equipment. I have switched everything over to rcbs, hornady, and redding equipment and have been much happier loading ammo.
Its nice to meet another Johnny, in the world of Reloading. I enjoyed this video and the comical comments immensely. I am looking to buy this Lee Precision deluxe powder measure 90699. And I very much like your demo. However, the amazon link for the 90699 unit does not pop up, the quick change drums do. Another issue I noticed you contended with was, the powder spout pour. I wonder if a screw-on case spout is available?
Thank you for the review…just received both of those powder measures….plan to use the regular PPM for my 45-70 and the Deluxe PPM for my 45 acp and 5.56/223. Good timing for me…again…thank you from Montana
I have the old style Lee PPM. When I have waste powder during set up I dump it into my trickler. The old model reservoir has a lid so I could just dump it back into the reservoir though.
A good way i found to get rid of the static is to use a used dryer sheet, Then wipe the inside and the outside of the bottle and the other components as well
The perfect powder measure is really good with stick powders too. It leaks with H110 which is basically dust. The design is the same on this one so I would expect the same minus a little lag time the groove buys you. Always good stuff Johnny.
John, I have a question, I'm wondering if you might be able to answer it? I noticed this powder measure doesn't utilize a case spout for powder being dropped, and I can't see inside it from a few angles. I am planning to purchase it. But I would like to know how that part works...? Other measures have the spout for a given case, this one does not. Can you explain how the case is introduced up into the powder dispenser nozzle? Please..
I bought this after I got the case-activated auto-drum and they both work great and are tremendous values. I just can't see spending $300 on a Redding or such when this is nearly as accurate and so much less. I love the Lee hopper design too, is makes it super easy to put the powder back into the can when done.
The directions say to fill the container and cycle the powder thru till it's empty. That coats everything with residue, and eliminates static. It works like a charm.
I have been using the Lee deluxe perfect powder measure for about a year. I have found that the measure is extremely consistent with ball powders and very little to no leaking. With extruded powders I set it up to throw slightly low then trickle up. It speeds the process over using the dippers/trickler. I also use the deluxe perfect powder measure's brass powder charge adjustment with the Lee auto drum on my progressive; fixing the powder leaking issues I always had with that unit. I don't know if my (plastic/nylon) quick change sets are just old, but they always leak when using fine ball powders no matter how tight I set them.
I polished the internal of the Lee autodrum and took a scotch brite pad to the plastic inserts, no more leakage. However, I use it only for titegroup and CFE pistol and CFE223 (meter like water and perfect each drop). For extruded, I use electronic scale/pwder tricler. I used Hornady auto drop and now the FA intellidrop (excellent one)
I wish someone would mold a new hopper to fit/incliding a baffle... That's these two models biggest/only flaw. I do much better without the weight of a whole bottle up top. I keep a hairband in my clear bottle about halfway up it and try to maintain about +/- a thumb width.
@@mattfleming86 there are aftermarket powder baffles and modified hoppers available. They are not certified by Lee obviously and I haven't used them personally so cannot comment on their efectiveness at alleviating the problem you mention. My old PPM throws very consistent stick powder charges down to the last ten fills then gets a bit erratic, but maybe I just got lucky?
@@martinrew9285 Mine throws great. The PPM is probably the BEST for extruded powders. I use a redding for ball. The baffle problem is typical of all measures. My "new" style ppm has the plastic one-way-in container (not open top) so making a baffle would be a PITA. I'm about to cut down a tall alliant bottle and just make a hopper since the bottle threads match the cap. Clear would be nice though. The problem is not the short term consistency, i.e. throw to throw. It's the bulk density of whats in the charge tube when "full" compared to like you said near empty. For me the charges start light, settle in after a few throws to heavy as things settle, and then work their way to light as the column shrinks. The baffle system means you run the handle a few times to settle the grains, and until you hit the baffle holes the weight on the tube is consistent. I often load 25-100 to a pop not touching my scales after things settle out for my semi-match grade stuff. much like a single stage version of running a dillon. A (zero hassle) reliable weight from first to last means a lot to me. An advantage of the alliant hopper im thinking of is that it'll probably hold 1.5-2 lbs :-D
The best powder measure is to get two - one for extruded 'stick' powders and one for ball powders. Still looking for the * BEST * measure for bigger stick powders, so if you know - let me know! I have a Lee PPM (old version) measure and it LEAKS LIKE A SIEVE for ball powders, but pretty good for stick. I got a Lyman Brass Smith powder measure a couple years ago and its really great for ball powders like CFE Pistol ect, but seems to do a bit of cutting with stick, at least the IMR 4064 I've tested it with so far. More testing with stick powders will give me a better picture but for ball powders its a real winner!
Greetings from NY John. I have the original Deluxe Perfect Powder Measure. I never used because it was to Loosey-goosey ! Maybe the new powder hopper is better b
I don’t go by the clicks at all, I just hold the tab and turn the wheel a tiny amount and let it set in between clicks. It’s worked out for me. And I try to slap it up and down just a little bit to make the powder move consistently. With cfeblk it works amazing. But with imr4064 it’s pretty wild. Using the Lee powder stand allows me to put my pan underneath it without worrying if anything will bounce out. Definitely worth the money if you’re gonna be using the deluxe for any serious amount of time. Otherwise it seems to be too much of a hassle. It’s the only powder measure I’ve ever used, so I may be biased, but it’s an okay powder measure. I do like that I can adjust it to throw ball powders nearly perfectly every time, but the extruded stuff, even some short cut like n540, isn’t as consistent as I would hope. Or maybe I have high standards, but I check each one for extruded stuff. With ball powder I’m confident in it and I’ll check at the end of each row, just to be sure.
Thanks Johnny. Good stuff. Kinda weird... I've been looking at getting one of these and BOOM, here's a review of it from JRB. I run a new Lyman Gen 6 and it works really well with extruded powder... But it makes a mess with fine ball powder... The tiny granules hit the powder pan and bounce out everywhere. This thing looks like it'd be great for high volume pistol and .223 loads with ball powder... Which is why I was looking at it
On the Red base funnel I would use a Sharpie to mark the OFF and ON positions. You have not lived till you lift it off and it is OPEN! I had it Happen on my Perfect Powder Measure ! Experience!
You're going to have some powder below the funnel even when it's off. Use a coffee filter or something to catch it. If you get more than two charges- it's not "off".
Great review Johnny. Always a pleasure to listen to your banter. You go through everything very well so, on the strength of your review, I'm thinking I might upgrade from my Lee perfect powder measure which, has seen dozens of KG's of powder through it over the last 30 years & never missed a beat.
couldnt you use the red piece and screw it on the powder bottle and use it as a funnel to fill the clear container? once filled, take the red piece off the bottle and place it on the clear tube?
When I throw mid range charge level pistol powder I check every third of fifth throw and I also set it by averaging the weight of ten throws into on one pan, if I get 40 grains for ten throws of 4 grains I'm as close as I'll ever get and I just weigh the occasional case to make sure they stay close.
Thanks Johnny been looking at different powder measures for some time to add my kit. Been running just the scopes for know. Wish lee make a new list and sheer with some newer powders available on the market vs try to figure what close to one other to get ur grains right in cc
I use the standard model to get an initial charge in the pan before trickle. I load 41.5 grain, use the powder drop to get 41.3 or 41.4 in the pan then trickle to exactly 41.48 to 41.51 grains. Each granule of powder weights 0.003 grains. If 1 grain changes velocity 60-70fps, 0.1gr changes velocity 6-7fps and 0.01-0.03 gr variation is just a few fps. My powder drops are more accurate than my chronograph.
The benchrest guys probably weigh each piece of powder and group them into piles by weight. Then they take a pair of tweezers and pick only the best grains from each pile until they meet their target.
I started with the Lee Challenger Breech Lock Kit and it had the Lee Perfect Powder Measure. I took it apart every time I changed powder and cleaned it. But with H110 I just couldn't stop the leaking so I bought the RCBS Chargemaster Link and that is all I use now.
Most ofLee’s equipment is good , I agree with you on the new hopper design but I use their auto drum it as accurate as my Hornady lock n load measure in as a matter of fact I don’t even use my lock n load measure on my lock n load progressive press any more . But l don’t like either one’s case flaring feature I’ve gone to using a Lyman “M” die it makes a squared opening where the bullets pops in firmly and straight I don’t have to hold the projectile while it enters the die just pop it in raise the handle to seat and grab the next so I’m ready to seat the next one it’s a little faster. But for all my max loads with my 45-70 and large magnum pistol cartridges I hand weigh my charges and use my Redding t7 turret press. I only use the progressive for my 9 mm 45 acp 45 colt and .223’s
After the struggle I went through tonight fighting ram shot tac, damn flake powder. Definitely going to get one of these. Hopefully it'll do that good with flake powder. Thankyou for your video. Definitely better than throwing each load by plastic spoon. 🤣 Accurate it is but dear lord it took me all dang night.
I've never understood the consistent positive comments about Lee's basic powder measure. I've gone through two trying to get a working powder measure that didn't show +/- .3 grain variations. Finally gave up and bought an RCBS Chargemaster Lite.
My Deluxe Powder thrower was all over the place with accuracy. it had to get really broke in by getting a heavy powder dust layer i guess on it before it finally would throw consistant. yes it spills unless you tighten it heavily then it doesnt leak. but yes mine had to get heavily used before it would throw right.
They have another measure that uses those quick change drums. It's spring loaded and made for progressive presses. The quick change set I purchased for it just doesn't mate up as well and I get a lot of leakage with tight group ( one of my favorite pistol powders) and also #5 and #7 my other favorites. Out of 150 cases and not using the original drum that it came with I loose about 10 grains or so. I've done everything to make them work. So I use them for larger extruded type powders. The one you showed in this video was my next consideration of purchase. After watching this I will probably buy one. One note I'll say is that no manually operated measure will ever give you the accuracy of the electronic measure because as you said it's in the technique or operation and it's consistent handle swing.
Why do you want to put up with sub par Lee measures? I seen so many times RCBS sold for same price used and they are so much better and never leak fine powders.
@@DimaProk I actually use a Lee disk measure on one of my progressives and it's as accurate as any measure out there in the manual mechanical measures realm. And yes RCBS and Redding are fine units and so are Lyman units. The only Lee unit that I have that leaks is their newest with the changeable drums made for progressive presses. And having purchased it and the drum sets on deep discount sale prices, I'm still way under the price of a used RCBS or Redding. As far as the one demonstrated in this video, I like the adjustment stem and it's design, and with its drum being metal it will be As good or better than other measures. All of Lee's measures use the elastomer swipe to prevent cutting powder which I find I like better than steel cutting the powder kernels. As far as its accuracy any discrepancy can be adjusted with a trickler. Lee's measures are very innovative but as with most thing have room for improvement.
Why don't you use the Auto Drum? Love mine, thinking about getting a couple more for each head on my progressive press. Easy fix for any problems I ever had
Mine Lee standard perfect powder measure kind of sucks. It will throw a charge that is off by .1 to .15 which sucks when I’m working up near max load. It will push a charge over the max. I was trying to get 12.3 and I was getting 12.2 - 12.45 which won’t cut it for me. It’s just too cheaply made and too lightweight. I hope it works for others. (It shows consistent on the Lee basic scale, which also leaves a lot to be desired, but shows that difference on a digital powder scale). I love Lee dies and the Lee hand loader, but I am not a fan of their challenger kit. I got it to start back up reloading and love the breech lock, but it feels flimsy compared to my extinct super deluxe cast iron, or my Dillion turret press. Both of which I have now cleaned up and use instead.
I have both perfect powder measures from Lee. The deluxe and the regular. I've noticed with both of them if I'm a little more violent with the up stroke and let it bounce back a tad I get much more consistent loads.
Check your wife's spice cabinet, or your own, and you may find the same container that Lee uses for the powder container. Keep the lid so as not to spill, put the Lee lid on when ready and you have instant powder changes on the fly. Been there, done that. Edit: Rufus Teague has a spice rub that is the same container, others may as well.
Don’t know if it would do any good, but when I use powder through dies, and I’ve dumped the powder. I use a small dead blow hammer to give a couple of light smacks on the frame of the press just to make sure all the powder drops. Might try and tap the stand when the drum is in the fill position to pack the charge in. I bet it would throw heavier that way, but not sure about consistency. Don’t think it would do much on the fine powder or ball stuff, but flake or extruded powders would probably settle a bit.
I have and have used many different powder measures.my "cheap Lee" powder measure is the only one that measures perfectly every time... Just saying. Oh my buddies are amazed and I just laugh and say"I know,... Right?"
I've been thinking about buying this powder measures with the optional stand. I've been reloading 6 creedmoor with the $25 dollar model and a trickler. I'm going to give this model a try and hope it is consistent . Merry Christmas.
It's essentially the same design, just modernized and metallicized. It will probably be more durable (minus the same wiper) but should perform very similarly. If it's having problems with consistency primarily with extruded powders- I'll reiterate what JRB said.. it's mostly technique. Extruded will not pack as consistently as ball in a single motion stroke. A little bit of an extra tap at the top of the handle stroke can change how it packs in the measure. Try no taps, or a couple of taps per stroke and one way will likely hold consistency a little better. It's all in the stroke 😎
All depends what your acceptable level of accuracy is. As shown, the Lee, cheap or costly, throws pretty tight charges the smaller the charge is. That discrepancy compounds the larger the charge gets. @31:30 If you want a consistently accurate load, you will pretty much have to always trickle up to charge weight. Though, if you know your rifle's accuracy node and your thrower throws charges within that discrepancy, would you consider that acceptable? Something to think about.
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Think I've had my basic all plastic Lee measure for 20 some odd years. I'm sure these new ones are better, but I've never found myself needing to upgrade. For the money Lee makes some outstanding equipment.
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With my Lee measure, I was getting load charges weights all over the place, which was driving me crazy. Finally, I took it apart and found granules were sticking to the inside of the drop tube. You gotta REALLY clean the factory lubricant off using acetone or isopropyl alcohol. Once that was done, threw consistent charges every time.
I noticed mine wasn't throwing consistent powder charges but I only use it for black powder, so I never bothered to clean it out. I'll have to try your method see if it works better.
Graphite lube on the inner drum where it rubs on the bearing surfaces definitely helps with all the Lee powder measures. It doesn't do overly well with incredibly fine powders, say Alliant 2400 (you will get leakage out the sides no matter how tight the drums are) but over all once you get them running they will be in that +/- 0.1gr range. Just don't expect precision performace from it.
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The accuracy of the CC measurement on the Lee models is dependent on several things. A big one is the downward pressure the powder in the hopper exerts when throwing a chrage. For example, a high fill pushes more powder into the cylinder per stroke than a low fill level, and this is to be expected. As a result, using the sliding conversion chart is only good if you are unfamiliar with the powder. Otherwise, you learn to adjust as you fill your cases, usually increasing the throw 1 click as you go. This style of measure is always going to require weighing nearly all your throws to be sure you are being consistent and safe if you are near a max load volume. If you want speed and consistency, IMHO you have to upgrade to an electronic dispenser like the RCBS Chargemaster Lite/Link unit Johnny has.
Be sure and check your charged cases for double ladybug loads. 🐞 😄😄
This video brought to y'all from twitch streams where we told Johnny lee made a metal deluxe version when he was complaining about the handle on the plastic one, i miss twich stream nights!! Thanks for all your great content johnny, have a great Christmas and new year!
I’ve been waiting for this all day!
You can make the plastic to plastic fit even better if you take some Bartenders Friend and lap the two cones together. That removes any unevenness in the mating surfaces, and makes H110 work very well.
Lee has come a long way, been using Lee stuff for years. When I first got into reloading ammo years ago I thought their stuff was not that great, I learned a lot . Lee makes some good stuff! My pro 1000 has at least 10000 rounds loaded and maybe more. New pro 1000 is better.
All I use is a thrower and a trickler. Been working good for a decade or so. Balance beam makes it so.
That's pretty much what I do, I might sit and load 100 rounds on a busy day and I enjoy the solitude so the slowness of this method is no problem.
If I were loading more rounds than that more often I would want a better system.
Have been using the same Lee Perfect measure for over 25 years. Have loaded thousands of rounds
You survived the tornados! Praise God. Johnny's unstoppable.
Thanks for the video Johnny. Keep up the good work, very helpful.
I have both and definitely like the steel drum on the deluxe... I can get finicky, but it seems to be very consistent... Oh, and yeah, a little wipe with anti-static dryer sheets work wonders...
I have not reloaded in years but I love when you review LEE products. Gets me all excited!
As always, a very good demonstration and review of reloading equipment that can appeal to and is affordable to the masses.
I use dryer sheets to cut down on the static cling. I also use them on my Lee powder funnel as well. Works great for me.
That works but just use the measure and get powder dust on it and it pretty much stops after a hopper full or 2 of use
Lee supplies replacement rubber/silicon wipers for their powder measures. I’ve replaced a couple on my auto-drum measures.👍
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I use a new Downey Free (or equivalent) dryer sheet to wipe down all my plastic reloading components and my RCBS Chargemaster Link as well as any powder containers. Also, I use that powder attachment/funnel on/off gadget when switching powders to neatly dump the extra (or waste) back into the powder container.
Thanks Johnny. I've had trouble with my
Lee Perfect Powder Measure binding the fine spherical powders. Thinking seriously about making an upgrade. It was so bad I started scooping and trickling the loads.
I was looking for a video on the Lee DPPM. This video was excellent! Loved it!
With a lot of the plastic accoutrements you can take a dryer sheet and wipe them down and that will alleviate a lot of the static cling. You may have to repeat a time or two but it drastically shortens the "break in" period for static issues. I still roll with the RCBS powder drop. I don't use it for extruded powders, none of the drops measure it accurately so why bother. I just use my Chargemaster 1500 to run extruded charges then transfer to a different scale for trickle up.
Used dryer sheet. I had trouble with the new ones leaving a waxy residue.
@@djinfreemind1966 Get a used dryer sheet (luckily my lazy kids leave them lying around during laundry days), they still have anti-static power
Great idea… thanks 👍
Few years ago I bought RCBS Chargemaster Lite and not using any powder measure since then.
Great Info, Johnny - I lubricate mine with lock graphite and that allows me to tighten it so it does not leak.
Love my RCBS uniflow...this Lee thing seems like quite a bit of extra screwing around.
Love the Bob Ross reference. 😆
Your videos are informative and entertaining. Thank you.
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Awesome demo mate thanks.Steve .
Hello again, did I hear you at some point say that when you purchase this Le Deluxe kit, it must be cleaned of any oils or packing lubricants Before using? I already purchased it a week ago, but have not set it up yet. Thought I'd ask..
I have been reloading since 2005 and for the first 10-12 years i used Lee products almost exclusively. For new reloaders the Lee price point looks appealing but in the long run you will be better off by investing a little more for higher quality equipment. I have switched everything over to rcbs, hornady, and redding equipment and have been much happier loading ammo.
Its nice to meet another Johnny, in the world of Reloading. I enjoyed this video and the comical comments immensely. I am looking to buy this Lee Precision deluxe powder measure 90699. And I very much like your demo. However, the amazon link for the 90699 unit does not pop up, the quick change drums do. Another issue I noticed you contended with was, the powder spout pour. I wonder if a screw-on case spout is available?
Never saw that it is possible to mount the powder bottle direct to the powder measure. Thanx Johnny
Have you tried the Lyman brass Smith powder measure?
Thank you for the review…just received both of those powder measures….plan to use the regular PPM for my 45-70 and the Deluxe PPM for my 45 acp and 5.56/223. Good timing for me…again…thank you from Montana
Another question John, those quick change drum sets, are they for the deluxe model, or perfect model? Can you elaborate? Thx.
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I have the old style Lee PPM. When I have waste powder during set up I dump it into my trickler. The old model reservoir has a lid so I could just dump it back into the reservoir though.
A good way i found to get rid of the static is to use a used dryer sheet, Then wipe the inside and the outside of the bottle and the other components as well
Lol. I caught the little Bob Ross comment when you grabbed the brush at around 28 minutes. 🤣
The perfect powder measure is really good with stick powders too. It leaks with H110 which is basically dust. The design is the same on this one so I would expect the same minus a little lag time the groove buys you. Always good stuff Johnny.
As always, great video. I really enjoy the content you put out. Keep up the great work.
John, I have a question, I'm wondering if you might be able to answer it? I noticed this powder measure doesn't utilize a case spout for powder being dropped, and I can't see inside it from a few angles. I am planning to purchase it. But I would like to know how that part works...? Other measures have the spout for a given case, this one does not.
Can you explain how the case is introduced up into the powder dispenser nozzle? Please..
I bought this after I got the case-activated auto-drum and they both work great and are tremendous values. I just can't see spending $300 on a Redding or such when this is nearly as accurate and so much less. I love the Lee hopper design too, is makes it super easy to put the powder back into the can when done.
Great Review as always.. and I’ve never seen so many ladybugs in my life, my house is full of them also! I’m in South Georgia, near Dublin
Johnny did you ever do a video setting up the flare on the Lee powder through auto drum measure?
The directions say to fill the container and cycle the powder thru till it's empty. That coats everything with residue, and eliminates static. It works like a charm.
I have been using the Lee deluxe perfect powder measure for about a year. I have found that the measure is extremely consistent with ball powders and very little to no leaking. With extruded powders I set it up to throw slightly low then trickle up. It speeds the process over using the dippers/trickler. I also use the deluxe perfect powder measure's brass powder charge adjustment with the Lee auto drum on my progressive; fixing the powder leaking issues I always had with that unit. I don't know if my (plastic/nylon) quick change sets are just old, but they always leak when using fine ball powders no matter how tight I set them.
I polished the internal of the Lee autodrum and took a scotch brite pad to the plastic inserts, no more leakage. However, I use it only for titegroup and CFE pistol and CFE223 (meter like water and perfect each drop). For extruded, I use electronic scale/pwder tricler. I used Hornady auto drop and now the FA intellidrop (excellent one)
I always flush graphite powder through my new drops, which seems to cure the static
I've noticed that the amount of powder in the hopper will change the throw weight . Less powder in the hopper the lighter the charge it throws
I wish someone would mold a new hopper to fit/incliding a baffle... That's these two models biggest/only flaw. I do much better without the weight of a whole bottle up top. I keep a hairband in my clear bottle about halfway up it and try to maintain about +/- a thumb width.
@@mattfleming86 there are aftermarket powder baffles and modified hoppers available. They are not certified by Lee obviously and I haven't used them personally so cannot comment on their efectiveness at alleviating the problem you mention. My old PPM throws very consistent stick powder charges down to the last ten fills then gets a bit erratic, but maybe I just got lucky?
@@martinrew9285 Mine throws great. The PPM is probably the BEST for extruded powders. I use a redding for ball. The baffle problem is typical of all measures. My "new" style ppm has the plastic one-way-in container (not open top) so making a baffle would be a PITA. I'm about to cut down a tall alliant bottle and just make a hopper since the bottle threads match the cap. Clear would be nice though.
The problem is not the short term consistency, i.e. throw to throw. It's the bulk density of whats in the charge tube when "full" compared to like you said near empty. For me the charges start light, settle in after a few throws to heavy as things settle, and then work their way to light as the column shrinks. The baffle system means you run the handle a few times to settle the grains, and until you hit the baffle holes the weight on the tube is consistent.
I often load 25-100 to a pop not touching my scales after things settle out for my semi-match grade stuff. much like a single stage version of running a dillon. A (zero hassle) reliable weight from first to last means a lot to me.
An advantage of the alliant hopper im thinking of is that it'll probably hold 1.5-2 lbs :-D
Great video JRB- I like these with IMR 3031 as I hate the cutting... Hey JRB sure miss you man. Hope to see you putting out videos again...
The best powder measure is to get two - one for extruded 'stick' powders and one for ball powders. Still looking for the * BEST * measure for bigger stick powders, so if you know - let me know! I have a Lee PPM (old version) measure and it LEAKS LIKE A SIEVE for ball powders, but pretty good for stick. I got a Lyman Brass Smith powder measure a couple years ago and its really great for ball powders like CFE Pistol ect, but seems to do a bit of cutting with stick, at least the IMR 4064 I've tested it with so far. More testing with stick powders will give me a better picture but for ball powders its a real winner!
Ball doesn’t leak in this one
Greetings from NY John. I have the original Deluxe Perfect Powder Measure. I never used because it was to Loosey-goosey ! Maybe the new powder hopper is better b
I don’t go by the clicks at all, I just hold the tab and turn the wheel a tiny amount and let it set in between clicks. It’s worked out for me. And I try to slap it up and down just a little bit to make the powder move consistently. With cfeblk it works amazing. But with imr4064 it’s pretty wild.
Using the Lee powder stand allows me to put my pan underneath it without worrying if anything will bounce out. Definitely worth the money if you’re gonna be using the deluxe for any serious amount of time. Otherwise it seems to be too much of a hassle.
It’s the only powder measure I’ve ever used, so I may be biased, but it’s an okay powder measure. I do like that I can adjust it to throw ball powders nearly perfectly every time, but the extruded stuff, even some short cut like n540, isn’t as consistent as I would hope. Or maybe I have high standards, but I check each one for extruded stuff. With ball powder I’m confident in it and I’ll check at the end of each row, just to be sure.
Thanks Johnny. Good stuff. Kinda weird... I've been looking at getting one of these and BOOM, here's a review of it from JRB.
I run a new Lyman Gen 6 and it works really well with extruded powder... But it makes a mess with fine ball powder... The tiny granules hit the powder pan and bounce out everywhere.
This thing looks like it'd be great for high volume pistol and .223 loads with ball powder... Which is why I was looking at it
On the Red base funnel I would use a Sharpie to mark the OFF and ON positions. You have not lived till you lift it off and it is OPEN! I had it Happen on my Perfect Powder Measure ! Experience!
Same here. Mine is well marked now. What a mess.
You're going to have some powder below the funnel even when it's off. Use a coffee filter or something to catch it. If you get more than two charges- it's not "off".
Great review Johnny.
Always a pleasure to listen to your banter.
You go through everything very well so, on the strength of your review, I'm thinking I might upgrade from my Lee perfect powder measure which, has seen dozens of KG's of powder through it over the last 30 years & never missed a beat.
couldnt you use the red piece and screw it on the powder bottle and use it as a funnel to fill the clear container? once filled, take the red piece off the bottle and place it on the clear tube?
When I throw mid range charge level pistol powder I check every third of fifth throw and I also set it by averaging the weight of ten throws into on one pan, if I get 40 grains for ten throws of 4 grains I'm as close as I'll ever get and I just weigh the occasional case to make sure they stay close.
So how do you set it without the scoops? The powder measure goes by CC and I'm looking for grains.
Thanks Johnny been looking at different powder measures for some time to add my kit. Been running just the scopes for know. Wish lee make a new list and sheer with some newer powders available on the market vs try to figure what close to one other to get ur grains right in cc
I use the standard model to get an initial charge in the pan before trickle. I load 41.5 grain, use the powder drop to get 41.3 or 41.4 in the pan then trickle to exactly 41.48 to 41.51 grains. Each granule of powder weights 0.003 grains. If 1 grain changes velocity 60-70fps, 0.1gr changes velocity 6-7fps and 0.01-0.03 gr variation is just a few fps. My powder drops are more accurate than my chronograph.
The benchrest guys probably weigh each piece of powder and group them into piles by weight. Then they take a pair of tweezers and pick only the best grains from each pile until they meet their target.
And a lot of BR guys don't even bother weighing. They charge completely by volume.
After a wipe down, i wrap a dryer sheet around the hopper and secure it with a couple rubber bands. Looks funny though. Thank you for the video!
I started with the Lee Challenger Breech Lock Kit and it had the Lee Perfect Powder Measure. I took it apart every time I changed powder and cleaned it. But with H110 I just couldn't stop the leaking so I bought the RCBS Chargemaster Link and that is all I use now.
Most ofLee’s equipment is good , I agree with you on the new hopper design but I use their auto drum it as accurate as my Hornady lock n load measure in as a matter of fact I don’t even use my lock n load measure on my lock n load progressive press any more . But l don’t like either one’s case flaring feature I’ve gone to using a Lyman “M” die it makes a squared opening where the bullets pops in firmly and straight I don’t have to hold the projectile while it enters the die just pop it in raise the handle to seat and grab the next so I’m ready to seat the next one it’s a little faster. But for all my max loads with my 45-70 and large magnum pistol cartridges I hand weigh my charges and use my Redding t7 turret press. I only use the progressive for my 9 mm 45 acp 45 colt and .223’s
👍 4.0 grains of Titegroup is my load for 9mm, 124 gr. RNPP bullets.
After the struggle I went through tonight fighting ram shot tac, damn flake powder. Definitely going to get one of these. Hopefully it'll do that good with flake powder. Thankyou for your video. Definitely better than throwing each load by plastic spoon. 🤣 Accurate it is but dear lord it took me all dang night.
Johnny, we're you able to get that buck you were after?
I've never understood the consistent positive comments about Lee's basic powder measure. I've gone through two trying to get a working powder measure that didn't show +/- .3 grain variations. Finally gave up and bought an RCBS Chargemaster Lite.
My Deluxe Powder thrower was all over the place with accuracy. it had to get really broke in by getting a heavy powder dust layer i guess on it before it finally would throw consistant.
yes it spills unless you tighten it heavily then it doesnt leak. but yes mine had to get heavily used before it would throw right.
Really appreciated the Bob Ross reference lol
Great review, as always.
They have another measure that uses those quick change drums. It's spring loaded and made for progressive presses. The quick change set I purchased for it just doesn't mate up as well and I get a lot of leakage with tight group ( one of my favorite pistol powders) and also #5 and #7 my other favorites. Out of 150 cases and not using the original drum that it came with I loose about 10 grains or so. I've done everything to make them work. So I use them for larger extruded type powders. The one you showed in this video was my next consideration of purchase. After watching this I will probably buy one.
One note I'll say is that no manually operated measure will ever give you the accuracy of the electronic measure because as you said it's in the technique or operation and it's consistent handle swing.
Why do you want to put up with sub par Lee measures? I seen so many times RCBS sold for same price used and they are so much better and never leak fine powders.
@@DimaProk I actually use a Lee disk measure on one of my progressives and it's as accurate as any measure out there in the manual mechanical measures realm. And yes RCBS and Redding are fine units and so are Lyman units. The only Lee unit that I have that leaks is their newest with the changeable drums made for progressive presses. And having purchased it and the drum sets on deep discount sale prices, I'm still way under the price of a used RCBS or Redding. As far as the one demonstrated in this video, I like the adjustment stem and it's design, and with its drum being metal it will be As good or better than other measures. All of Lee's measures use the elastomer swipe to prevent cutting powder which I find I like better than steel cutting the powder kernels. As far as its accuracy any discrepancy can be adjusted with a trickler. Lee's measures are very innovative but as with most thing have room for improvement.
My jaw hit my knee when I saw that a powder bottle can screw right on… why didn’t I know this? Felt dumb for it, thanks for the video!
As a new reloader how are do you clean up your bench to remove powder dust?
The original Perfect Powder measure is great! I use it for my high volume M193 clones.
It is excellent with ball powder for pistol and rifle. For extruded powder, drop 0.6gr below target and trickle
you and fortune cookie make the best videos.
I have the lee plastic one, works well for the pistol calibers I load
Degrease and wipe with dryer sheet, removes the static from the plastic 👍
I keep used dryer sheets in the reloading room to reduce the static on Lee scoops and powder measures. My perfect powder measure leaks with H110.
4.4 grains of Blue-Dot under a 147 grain lead bullet will give you the best idea of what that suppressor will do on a 9mm.
Thanks for the video. I always wondered why the plastic arm was bending as I pulled the arm and dropped powder
Is it lot better then lee precision auto drum power measure i but I didn’t used it should i sell it buy lee deluxe powder measure?
Why don't you use the Auto Drum? Love mine, thinking about getting a couple more for each head on my progressive press. Easy fix for any problems I ever had
@@papasplace2 i can not find primer and powder
Anybody else catch the happy little accident reference? Cracked me up. Gotta love Bob Ross
Mine Lee standard perfect powder measure kind of sucks. It will throw a charge that is off by .1 to .15 which sucks when I’m working up near max load. It will push a charge over the max. I was trying to get 12.3 and I was getting 12.2 - 12.45 which won’t cut it for me. It’s just too cheaply made and too lightweight. I hope it works for others. (It shows consistent on the Lee basic scale, which also leaves a lot to be desired, but shows that difference on a digital powder scale). I love Lee dies and the Lee hand loader, but I am not a fan of their challenger kit. I got it to start back up reloading and love the breech lock, but it feels flimsy compared to my extinct super deluxe cast iron, or my Dillion turret press. Both of which I have now cleaned up and use instead.
I have both perfect powder measures from Lee. The deluxe and the regular. I've noticed with both of them if I'm a little more violent with the up stroke and let it bounce back a tad I get much more consistent loads.
Maybe aggressive is a better word for violent in that case. Either way it works for me pretty well.
Would ladybugs work as a filler for 300 blackout subsonic rounds?
Do they leak with fine powder like the older model?
Check your wife's spice cabinet, or your own, and you may find the same container that Lee uses for the powder container. Keep the lid so as not to spill, put the Lee lid on when ready and you have instant powder changes on the fly. Been there, done that. Edit: Rufus Teague has a spice rub that is the same container, others may as well.
I tried it. You forgot to mention removing the spices first. Now I'm firing 300 Black(out) pepper. Thanks a lot!
@@The10thManRules that made me laugh buddy thanks.
@Steve Pedersen I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitresses. Waka waka!
Download the Lee VDM chart. That makes setting up the CCs quicker/closer.
I have had good luck with my Redding powder thrower
You can get rid of that static cling by wiping the areas out with a used dryer sheet.
I got one of these deluxe measures I think last year or the year before, and love it.
Don’t know if it would do any good, but when I use powder through dies, and I’ve dumped the powder. I use a small dead blow hammer to give a couple of light smacks on the frame of the press just to make sure all the powder drops. Might try and tap the stand when the drum is in the fill position to pack the charge in. I bet it would throw heavier that way, but not sure about consistency. Don’t think it would do much on the fine powder or ball stuff, but flake or extruded powders would probably settle a bit.
I have and have used many different powder measures.my "cheap Lee" powder measure is the only one that measures perfectly every time... Just saying. Oh my buddies are amazed and I just laugh and say"I know,... Right?"
I've been thinking about buying this powder measures with the optional stand. I've been reloading 6 creedmoor with the $25 dollar model and a trickler. I'm going to give this model a try and hope it is consistent . Merry Christmas.
It's essentially the same design, just modernized and metallicized. It will probably be more durable (minus the same wiper) but should perform very similarly.
If it's having problems with consistency primarily with extruded powders- I'll reiterate what JRB said.. it's mostly technique. Extruded will not pack as consistently as ball in a single motion stroke. A little bit of an extra tap at the top of the handle stroke can change how it packs in the measure. Try no taps, or a couple of taps per stroke and one way will likely hold consistency a little better.
It's all in the stroke 😎
All depends what your acceptable level of accuracy is. As shown, the Lee, cheap or costly, throws pretty tight charges the smaller the charge is. That discrepancy compounds the larger the charge gets. @31:30
If you want a consistently accurate load, you will pretty much have to always trickle up to charge weight. Though, if you know your rifle's accuracy node and your thrower throws charges within that discrepancy, would you consider that acceptable?
Something to think about.
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