Peter Thiel On The Diversity Myth - 30 Years Later (Hosted by Mike Solana)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- EPISODE #24: This week, the Pirate Wires staff is off for the Thanksgiving holiday. But fear not! We're re-releasing a special interview that Mike Solana recently recorded with Peter Thiel, in case you missed it. This is a must watch for the Pirate Nation. We'll be back to your regularly scheduled, clown world induced, programing next week.
Nearly 30 years after publishing "The Diversity Myth," Peter Thiel sits down with Mike Solana to unpack what the book got right and wrong. Thiel argues that social distractions have stunted scientific progress, slowed economic growth and weakened our geopolitical standing. How did anti-Western rhetoric popularized on college campuses in the 90s morph into the culture wars that divide our country today? How can we move past this pessimistic, hyper-political moment and continue building the future?
Featuring Mike Solana & Peter Thiel
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
0:30- Part One: Retrospective - "The Diversity Myth" Predicted The Future - What Peter Saw Back In The 90s
14:40 - Part Two: Science - What Is Broken In Science? - Corrupt Universities
29:15 - Part Three: Economics - Woke Corporations - Marxist Take Over Of Unions - Downfall of Cities
40:00- Part Four: Religion - Woke As The New Religion - Decline Of Religion In America
54:45 - Part Five: Politics - China As A Threat - Communism
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The algorithm detected by affinity for Mr. Thiel and led me right here.
In December 2016, following a series of enthusiastic inquiries about Thiel on voice Google, I whimsically repeated his name three times in quick succession. Surprisingly, it responded with the word "Affinity," followed by its definition.
Most underrated pod in the world
Soon they’ll all know 🏴☠️🫡
This podcast is awesome!
Peter had such forward-thinking ideas even as a college student. It gives perspective into his sharp mindset and ambition early on. No surprise he later founded successful ventures.
Thanks Mike for re-posting this here. Happy Thanksgiving.
Thanks for sharing your chat with Peter Thiel. I hope to see a round 2!
Peter Thiel is definitely someone who's worth the read for all youngsters…… His other book “Zero to one” is also a great book to read for aspiring people. By the way, great work Mike, I'm now your subscriber
We tend to think that science is something that is typically discovered by academics who are employed as faculty by university departments.
But the truth is that these types are more like the museum curators of science, not the artists and creators.
Scientific discovery generally emerges from a series of fortunate ideas developed by amateurs, tinkerers and practitioners apply when dealing with real world problems. The academics will generally come in later, trying to explain the practical knowledge obtained from concrete observation through trial and error in terms of theories deduced from more fundamental first principles that are generally valid.
The prime motor of science are hacks and entrepreneurs, not lab nerds.
Love Pirate Wires. I would love to hear Peter in conversation with Jay Dyer someday.
Great conversation Mike , much appreciated.
Damn, nice guest for such a small channel. Awesome!
Just finished listening to the interview again today. I think that was the 6th time. Great interview well done!! Got the "better Christian" part today.
Palmer and Peter are two of my favorite business people, glad you had them both in the pod! Keep up the awesome work.
Fascinating
I watched this the first time it was poasted, but two things strike me as having developed since my first listen:
1. Peter mentioned that even by the 1980s, the colleges had some form of speech codes and since the recording of this podcast, we've had the whole thing with the Ivy League presidents and the enforcement of speech codes vis-a-vis the Jewish/Palestine w*r.
2. The point at the end about the barista not working very hard to fight the tech sector when her choices are resignation to AI automation or fighting very hard to preserve her miserable barista job struck me very hard.
It strikes me as somewhat Girardian to think about the way in which people will compete against other people for their low-stakes job because they believe that they will eventually best their model/competitor, but given that AI is not human, it will compete in ways that people don't actually believe they can win, so people end up with a (hopefully) non-violent resignation to the AI. Then begets the question that is AI like a god, where the ability for AI to outcompete every human becomes like the hand of God that intervenes against violence.
There are also ways in which this can be very dystopian, wherein our aggression towards automation taking our jobs gets transmuted into aggression towards another, but I'm hopeful that AI might act as a forcing function where we finally get rid of menial, busy work jobs. Then again, I think Peter would caution us that pessimism and optimism converge to doing nothing at all and that it's dangerous to sit idly and wait for the future to unfold.
P.S. Girard writes about Don Quixote and the notion that Quixote's and Sancho's dreams are harmless, even if somewhat... quixotic... because they're externally mediated, and I think this can be applied to AI. Even if we strive to emulate the AI in efficiency, we, like Quixote, will eventually give up in our competition with this non-human mediator and, perhaps on our deathbeds, renounce the fight with AI as foolish. I've not actually read Cervantes, by the way, but this is based merely on my understanding of the story of Don Quixote as it's been told to me.
my first impression of Mike is he’s like the Ryan Reynolds of venture capital
The Age of Pseudonism / Agents and Useful Idiots. Great podcast. Subscribed.
One hell of an outro
please study Ernesto Sirolli- The schools of economics is needed thanks.
Some might find it curious that the decline in religion was prophesied in the book of revelation , Babylon the greats river would dry up (the river being its people).
I don't understand how you have such huge names with so few subscribers.
They are connected through their Work at founders fund. I think..
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you’ve got some digging to do
Without DEI we'd be sipping martinis on the moon.
The ending of the video is positive. But the possibility of regulatory capture seems to be growing.
Possibility? I think it's inevitable, and some would say by Derrick Bushnell design
cool room
Not rigorous, but spot on.
Instead of the US government working to regulate real estate, it is indeed AIDING the problem of doubling and tripling of rents and gentrification.....
Certainly I see this happening on the city level....
I see the city govt giving tax breaks and incentives to developers while the real estate market ruins local neighborhoods and cultures which had been intact for generations
So... in discussing social problems here, the real estate takeover is breaking up society at the level of local human in person communities.... a person begins to make friends and build a sense of place..and within 5 to 10 years, the next wave of gentrification forces everyone to leave the area.... I'm responding to what he said about rents in NYC doubling..also in California..
Analyze Peter Thiel's concept of "interdividual" through the lenses of Nietzsche, Kant, Aquinas, René Girard, and Aristotle. Provide an in-depth view from each philosopher's perspective and then facilitate a debate among them to address the concept of "wokeness."
🔥 Nietzsche (Philosopher of Power and Morality): Nietzsche would likely perceive Thiel's notion of "interdividual" through the prism of power dynamics and the will to power. He might argue that proclaiming victimhood is a form of moral posturing, a way for individuals or groups to exert power. For Nietzsche, the "interdividual" concept could represent the death of the singular, autonomous individual, giving way to a herd mentality that stifles the Übermensch, the individual who transcends the common morality to create their own values.
🔍 Kant (Philosopher of Ethics and Rationality): Kant would analyze "interdividual" from the standpoint of his categorical imperative, evaluating how identities and their relational nature adhere to universal moral laws. He might critique the idea if it implies that identities are merely relational and not grounded in the autonomy and inherent dignity of individuals. For Kant, even in our interrelations, each individual must be treated as an end in themselves, not merely as a means to an end.
✝ Aquinas (Philosopher of Theology and Natural Law): Aquinas would likely assess "interdividual" through the lens of natural law and divine order. He might argue that while individuals are part of a larger societal and divine framework, each person has a unique essence and purpose bestowed by God. Aquinas could see the emphasis on relational identity as a potential deviation from the pursuit of virtuous life, where individual moral choices align with the divine will.
🎭 René Girard (Philosopher of Mimetic Theory): Girard's perspective on "interdividual" would likely focus on his concept of mimetic desire - the idea that our desires are imitated from others. He might argue that the "interdividual" is a battleground of mimetic rivalry, where identities are formed and deformed in the context of communal desires and conflicts, leading to cycles of victimization and scapegoating.
📘 Aristotle (Philosopher of Virtue Ethics and Metaphysics): Aristotle would examine "interdividual" through the lens of his virtue ethics and the idea of the polis (city-state) as a community of individuals. He might argue that while individuals are inherently social and their identities are shaped in relation to others, the ultimate goal is eudaimonia (human flourishing) through the cultivation of personal virtues and active participation in the life of the community.
Debate to Address Wokeness:
🔥 Nietzsche: The "wokeness" epidemic is a manifestation of herd morality, a weakness. It suppresses the potential of the individual to rise above the masses and create new values.
🔍 Kant: While we must respect the autonomy and dignity of every individual, "wokeness" should not lead to moral relativism. Universal moral laws and the duty to treat each individual as an end must guide our actions and discourse.
✝ Aquinas: "Wokeness" must be aligned with the divine order and natural law. It should not detract from the individual's pursuit of a virtuous life in accordance with God's will.
🎭 René Girard: The phenomenon can be seen as a result of mimetic desire and rivalry. The key is to recognize and break the cycle of mimetic conflict and scapegoating, not perpetuate it.
📘 Aristotle: The focus should be on fostering eudaimonia through the cultivation of virtues. While societal relations shape us, individual virtue and wisdom are paramount for the flourishing of the community and the individual.
Q: What would René Girard's perspective be on Peter Thiel's concept of "interdividual" in the context of identity, and how would Girard's mimetic theory apply to this concept?
🎭 Cultural Theorist (Girard): As an expert in cultural theory and literary criticism, I'll interpret Thiel's concept of "interdividual" through the lens of René Girard's mimetic theory. Girard posited that desire is not autonomous but is mimetic, meaning it is imitated from others. In the context of "interdividual" identities, this suggests that individuals form their identities and desires by mirroring those they see as models or adversaries.
Girard would likely argue that the proclamation of victimization and the construction of identities in "The Diversity Myth" are deeply entrenched in mimetic desire. Individuals see others as models for their identity or as obstacles to their desires (obstacles often become models themselves). This mimetic rivalry can lead to conflict and scapegoating, where a community projects its tensions and conflicts onto a chosen victim, a process Girard called the "scapegoat mechanism."
In the context of modern social movements and identity politics, Girard's theory might suggest that the dynamics of victimization and the construction of identities are not just about the direct experience of oppression but also about the mimetic interplay of desires, where individuals and groups align their identities with perceived models or adversaries within their community or society at large.
Applying this to the "wokeness epidemic," Girard would perhaps suggest that the escalating tensions and conflicts are a result of mimetic rivalry, where different groups are imitating each other's desire for recognition, justice, or power, leading to a cycle of conflict and scapegoating. The resolution, in Girardian terms, would involve breaking the cycle of mimetic rivalry and moving towards genuine dialogue and understanding, transcending the scapegoat mechanism by recognizing the inherent mimetic nature of our desires and identities.
Please study-Michael Saylor, University and Michael Levin also TH-cam-Plastic Chemicals and…thanks.
I wonder what drives a person to like woke ideologies(which on paper are based on being good to people) and then ignore all of the times it preaches hate with actions that are 100% against the message of being nice to others. What makes a person ignore those things and cling onto something they claim is good but is actually bad. The idea of hating the western civilization then pretending like it is worst than what goes on in terrible countries where young women are abducted in mass numbers from schools for example. Who in their right mind can't process the difference?
I think it comes from the same part of us that hates the winner for being good. How dare those people be so good! Don't you know how you make all of these other people feel?...
The same idiots who fawn over communism and ignore the mass genocides it caused in the XX century. It's really no different in both mentality and practice, thus we have a whole new generation of "useful idiots."
49:50 Really?!?!
“in some sense”
goats
They figured it out by just seeing which planes flew and which didn't? Yeah. That's just ignorance on your part, Peter. Read Lilienthal's notebooks (you speak German, put that to use). And the history of Christianity according to Peter Thiel ... holy shit ...
You lost me at CCP and space ships that can land?
They just landed a spaceship on the moon, it collected rock samples, and then it came back to Earth. Last week.
Pretty naive about Islam
He's not naiive, they've decided to adopt it (being the last of abrahamic religions to be let into the club) and use it (collaboratively with European full adoption) against enemies (China, India, Russia)
It's really a shame how much he deviates from his core idea(s) into conjecture and speculation. As soon as he starts talking about a topic familiar to me, it's clear how much he's talking out his ass or has some fundamental misunderstanding or skewed mental model of how something works. Some of his arguments might have merit, but hearing that sort of thing paired with confidence to talk about it as an authority completely destroys his credibility for me.
It's amazing a venture capitalists has to tell people physics is valuable.
Google should delete these podcasts man. Get a job at Wendy's, if we're being honest. Anytime, anywhere, any topic, any goal.
Gosh, who would have guessed that so many people would finally go "Enough is enough!" and stop tolerating casual misogyny, bigotry, unequal rights, and such as being some sort of sacred traditions, and that this would get a whole bunch of right wing extremists/libertarians to become hivemind crybabies in response.
Misandry.
Feminism Ruins Everything
@@OrwellsHousecat Right wing crackpots spread toxicity over the Internet like a leaking supertanker.
How is he saying that computer science is not that hard for people who are not good at maths?
Peter thiel is a leading homosexual Republican and business owner