@fres part of it was Rosen, part of it was Gellman. The story is told as a nice story, so it glosses a bit for the narrative. I think people who have listened to him a lot feel like there was too much gloss at times. I felt similar, but I understand it’s the job for them.
It would have been far better just to play the interview without the commentary (is it available?), or just put the commentary at the end, and let listeners make up their own minds re what Thiel said.
So the obvious answer is to throw money to the noble Trump. And then JD Vance. I kept waiting for them to talk about how key his support was to getting Vance elected and what he expected that to achieve, or rather, not achieve.
Over the years I’ve read many people’s official bios and there was a few patterns I saw. One was that sooo many had dropped out of college. I was so puzzled by this and knew there was something going on behind it but obvs had no idea what. Now I know it’s people who are behind it and now I want to know why. Every time I answer one question it leads me to another one. Everything I do - I do it in search of some answer to something. Sometimes I don’t even know what I’m looking for but I know I’m looking for something. I just keep reading, listening and trying to put pieces together. The question I had about famous college dropouts has been on my mind for 6+ months…..
Conversations like this reinforce the idea I have of very powerful people - rulers in government and business - being at their core completely dysfunctional people. Something went terribly wrong in their personal growth at a very young age, and while they wrapped themselves in a cloak of adulthood and confidence, their emotional centre is utterly lacking. I feel sorry for the children they were, but have no empathy for the monsters they became.
I think there's an interesting take from both ends as it were. To get to this level of power and wealth (even for someone like Trump who was born wealthy) you really have to be driven, I think in a sort of hole in your bucket kind of way that really nothing will ever be enough. But also, after you hit a certain level of wealth and power you can surround yourself with those who just won't say no to even your strangest whims. Having to revise your positions and face adversity is a healthy means of growth that I think just starts to fall away for many people at this level.
Actually…. Not really. This doesn’t mean he can’t still be a genius. I mean a lot if geniuses never really get out of a no emotional developmental arrest. Maybe partly because of their success they lose the friend that tells them when they are making an arse of themselves.
I have no affection for this man, but this is a ridiculous interview, barely a word was said that was not critical of him. Is your point just to make someone on the other team look bad? Or are you looking for some kind of nuance and perspective about someone you don't understand or agree with? You're going down the Fox News hole, just on the other side. Kind of embarrassing if you think of this as a serious journalism.
I didn´t know much about Mr. Thiel, however I have heard a lot of pretty crazy things in this interview. In my humble opinion people with such ideas shouldn´t be influencial in politics and are, probably, a danger to society. I have no clue how to read that interview in any positive way, or how you could think it´s not critical enough.
Not a fan, but while Fox is just as biased, they are more truthful. Perhaps only because they don't need to affirm the increasingly ridiculous establishment narratives, being their idiots are not currently in power.
I think it's a missed opportunity to not touch on the influence of South Africa. Both Thiel and Musk (white men from South Africa) seem to be obsessed with fantasy. I have personally met some white guys from South Africa who also demonstrate the same tendencies. Perhaps the social fracturing of post-Apartheid world was too much for them, and they struggled to adjust, as if coming to the world a decade too late to enjoy the "Golden Age" they were promised.
@@JK-gu3tl His early life was itinerant due to his parent's occupation. It's true that he was born in West Germany, but his parents moved him to US at 1yo, followed by South Africa / South West Africa up until 10yo, and then finally back to US. His time at South Africa played a formative role in shaping his individualist / libertarian ideology.
Yes... Thiel has always been creepy and I would single him out as one of the most dangerous people on the planet, with his involvent in companies like Palantir and DNA collecting entities. Some may say, evil. It's not hard to see why he would be afraid of dearth.
idk what you are smoking, he is definitely NOT one of the most dangerous people on earth... there are so many worse risks out there, with people waging wars and such lol..
@@fresjsscwwtm It would be a start to stay away from personal attacks. However, comparing Thiel to a war doesn´t really fit, right? Thiels weird agenda, combined with a billion tons of money are in fact a very dangerous combination.
I dislike how the host treats Thiel as the object of anthropological speculation whom she can smilingly pigeonhole from her superior vantage with little comments about his motivations and psychology. You don't have to agree with someone to treat them as a rational interlocuter and charitably engage with their ideas.
Longevity is the most important technological advancement that is within our grasp and is woefully underfunded and uncared for by the larger populace. To believe it isn't possible is to be completely ignorant of current capabilities, we've already been tackling the core processes and we're 20+ years behind where we could be. You both come off severely lacking in imagination and intelligence, dismissing hope for a concretely possible future as childish dreaming.
I am unsure wether I am a libertarian or a welfarist but what he is doing is nuts. There are good reasons for both welfarism or libertarianism so how does one decide ? I see no good reason for fascism for example. Fascism isn’t for a social people like me. It’s for highly social people who believe crazy things. People who are primitive and need warmth. How can he put his way of life or his bare existence on the line ? What gives him the right to endanger everyone who is not white or German or or or in this way ?
Honestly! That man is so missing the point!!!! He is more like Gollum and Sauron, more like lord voldemort than an elf. How is he missing that????? Recommend to him the Tibetan book of living and dying.
damn he is one of the most interesting contrarian thinkers of our times. I don't agree with everything he has to say but his disagreement surfaces interesting flaws in our/left-wing consensus. I want an unedited recording of him rather than this clown-tier journalist giving her value laden commentary
Can anyone seriously expect anything other than this kind of nonsense from Hanna Rosin, someone who would write something as asinine as 'The End Of Men'?
Peter Thiel seems like an emotionally-stunted narcissist, as is the case with many Silicon Valley billionaires. For this reason, it makes total sense he’s a libertarian. He can’t comprehend the complexity of a modern society and has no understanding of the importance of a social safety net to a nation’s stability and prosperity. He has an inability to grasp different perspectives. Thiel also learned the difficult way from 2016 most Americans are not in favor of laissez faire capitalism that favors the wealthy and fortunate and is built upon the myth of meritocracy. Republicans must trick their voters to support it through culture war issues and Democrats must fool their voters by being the only reasonable other option.
ngl when a bottom feeding journalist who spends his/her days and night gossiping about people better than them tries to criticize a technology person for having "fantastical ideas" for trying to cure very human problems such as mortality it feels like a monkey is making fun of a human for using wheels
Where's the actual interview with Thiel?
I want to know this too
It's clickbait. Irrelevant, mediocre journalists using his name to get attention.
You can't read Yarvin and Girard without thinking deeply about inequality. This reporter barely scratched the surface.
He backed JD Vance
It’s sad to see The Atlantic doing this kind of media. For most my life, they’ve been amongst my favorite publications.
what's the problem with this video?
i'm a big peter thiel fan, and i think barton gellman did a really good job on this.
@fres part of it was Rosen, part of it was Gellman. The story is told as a nice story, so it glosses a bit for the narrative. I think people who have listened to him a lot feel like there was too much gloss at times. I felt similar, but I understand it’s the job for them.
@fresjsscwwtm I'm only 3 minutes in and the bias is painful. If you don't see it, you need to broaden your sources of information.
@@fresjsscwwtmthey did better than most msm, but it's still very much skewed negative.
It would have been far better just to play the interview without the commentary (is it available?), or just put the commentary at the end, and let listeners make up their own minds re what Thiel said.
How would the audience know what to think about it?
Where are these original tapes?
Finally. Please do more in depth features on U.S. kleptocrats and oligarchs.
The most important issue of our time.
Most of them back he Dems.
OKA....OLIGARCHS!
So delusional lol. Why are "conservatives" always so wrong? Yall must try really hard to get that way. @@Stoddardian
wait he's a kleptocrat? huh?
There are governments in LOTR
They are dysfunctional (or have become tyrannical) and have to be fixed by the deeds of noble people
So the obvious answer is to throw money to the noble Trump. And then JD Vance. I kept waiting for them to talk about how key his support was to getting Vance elected and what he expected that to achieve, or rather, not achieve.
Welcome to the hero with a thousand faces
Over the years I’ve read many people’s official bios and there was a few patterns I saw. One was that sooo many had dropped out of college. I was so puzzled by this and knew there was something going on behind it but obvs had no idea what. Now I know it’s people who are behind it and now I want to know why. Every time I answer one question it leads me to another one. Everything I do - I do it in search of some answer to something. Sometimes I don’t even know what I’m looking for but I know I’m looking for something. I just keep reading, listening and trying to put pieces together. The question I had about famous college dropouts has been on my mind for 6+ months…..
Peter thiel ist truly amazing and a unique thinker💫🌟⭐✨
Conversations like this reinforce the idea I have of very powerful people - rulers in government and business - being at their core completely dysfunctional people. Something went terribly wrong in their personal growth at a very young age, and while they wrapped themselves in a cloak of adulthood and confidence, their emotional centre is utterly lacking. I feel sorry for the children they were, but have no empathy for the monsters they became.
Yea I’m sure you’re so much more of a flawless individual 🙄
@@maxwellbliss You know, it *is* possible to have flaws and to see them in others. We all are flawed beings.
Jablicek, I think your original observation is spot-on. I admire your calm in responding to maxwellbliss.😊
I think there's an interesting take from both ends as it were. To get to this level of power and wealth (even for someone like Trump who was born wealthy) you really have to be driven, I think in a sort of hole in your bucket kind of way that really nothing will ever be enough. But also, after you hit a certain level of wealth and power you can surround yourself with those who just won't say no to even your strangest whims. Having to revise your positions and face adversity is a healthy means of growth that I think just starts to fall away for many people at this level.
Depends if that growth is for the "good of many" or the good of few that cloak themselves in a million masks ($$$$$) and the claim of Christianity!
"a never growing out of boyhood situation" clown-tier uncharitable journalism at it's best 👌
Lol they are so charitable to him.
Actually…. Not really. This doesn’t mean he can’t still be a genius. I mean a lot if geniuses never really get out of a no emotional developmental arrest. Maybe partly because of their success they lose the friend that tells them when they are making an arse of themselves.
No billionaires. Net wealth cap of $499M.
I have no affection for this man, but this is a ridiculous interview, barely a word was said that was not critical of him. Is your point just to make someone on the other team look bad? Or are you looking for some kind of nuance and perspective about someone you don't understand or agree with? You're going down the Fox News hole, just on the other side. Kind of embarrassing if you think of this as a serious journalism.
His crime is being a Libertarian.
I didn´t know much about Mr. Thiel, however I have heard a lot of pretty crazy things in this interview. In my humble opinion people with such ideas shouldn´t be influencial in politics and are, probably, a danger to society. I have no clue how to read that interview in any positive way, or how you could think it´s not critical enough.
Not a fan, but while Fox is just as biased, they are more truthful. Perhaps only because they don't need to affirm the increasingly ridiculous establishment narratives, being their idiots are not currently in power.
@@gerokron3412 Plus, if we seized all his money, it would pay for San Francisco's cash allowances to the homless for two whole months!
“Democracy” and “freedom” have become such plastic, meaningless words.
Never were and never will be
You can look it up in any dictionary. What´s your point?
No, they have very clear, well defined meanings.
@@AlexKimTO What do they mean then?
Oh god Thiel is going to have the one ring forged.
Took me 10 seconds to google the interview.
I think it's a missed opportunity to not touch on the influence of South Africa.
Both Thiel and Musk (white men from South Africa) seem to be obsessed with fantasy. I have personally met some white guys from South Africa who also demonstrate the same tendencies. Perhaps the social fracturing of post-Apartheid world was too much for them, and they struggled to adjust, as if coming to the world a decade too late to enjoy the "Golden Age" they were promised.
Thiel is from West Germany.
@@JK-gu3tl His early life was itinerant due to his parent's occupation.
It's true that he was born in West Germany, but his parents moved him to US at 1yo, followed by South Africa / South West Africa up until 10yo, and then finally back to US.
His time at South Africa played a formative role in shaping his individualist / libertarian ideology.
.....no. LOTR is just awesome. It has nothing to do with SA.
Namibia not South Africa. So he grew up under Germans not the English, French and Dutch like Musk.
this is interesting. Musk, Thiel, Sacks all SA.@@QuantumWalnut
This was dark and fascinating
So Peter Thiel is taking a break from trying to break democracy. Have I got that right?
if the average Joe wasn't mesmerized by material wealth we wouldn't be following these lunatics off of societal cliffs
Thiel doesn't make national policy. People like you do.
Down with the damn oligarchs
Billionaires/Corporations for Democracy (Oligarchy) LOL
Unlike Soros...
Yes... Thiel has always been creepy and I would single him out as one of the most dangerous people on the planet, with his involvent in companies like Palantir and DNA collecting entities. Some may say, evil. It's not hard to see why he would be afraid of dearth.
idk what you are smoking, he is definitely NOT one of the most dangerous people on earth...
there are so many worse risks out there, with people waging wars and such lol..
@@fresjsscwwtm
It would be a start to stay away from personal attacks. However, comparing Thiel to a war doesn´t really fit, right? Thiels weird agenda, combined with a billion tons of money are in fact a very dangerous combination.
I dislike how the host treats Thiel as the object of anthropological speculation whom she can smilingly pigeonhole from her superior vantage with little comments about his motivations and psychology. You don't have to agree with someone to treat them as a rational interlocuter and charitably engage with their ideas.
Longevity is the most important technological advancement that is within our grasp and is woefully underfunded and uncared for by the larger populace. To believe it isn't possible is to be completely ignorant of current capabilities, we've already been tackling the core processes and we're 20+ years behind where we could be. You both come off severely lacking in imagination and intelligence, dismissing hope for a concretely possible future as childish dreaming.
I am unsure wether I am a libertarian or a welfarist but what he is doing is nuts. There are good reasons for both welfarism or libertarianism so how does one decide ? I see no good reason for fascism for example. Fascism isn’t for a social people like me. It’s for highly social people who believe crazy things. People who are primitive and need warmth.
How can he put his way of life or his bare existence on the line ? What gives him the right to endanger everyone who is not white or German or or or in this way ?
Honestly! That man is so missing the point!!!! He is more like Gollum and Sauron, more like lord voldemort than an elf. How is he missing that????? Recommend to him the Tibetan book of living and dying.
damn he is one of the most interesting contrarian thinkers of our times. I don't agree with everything he has to say but his disagreement surfaces interesting flaws in our/left-wing consensus. I want an unedited recording of him rather than this clown-tier journalist giving her value laden commentary
Peter is phenomenal, a very unorthodox thinker.
Can anyone seriously expect anything other than this kind of nonsense from Hanna Rosin, someone who would write something as asinine as 'The End Of Men'?
What a rotten person, imagine the damage he has done.
lol sure!?
Mediocre corporate hacks using Thiel's name to get attention.
Peter Thiel seems like an emotionally-stunted narcissist, as is the case with many Silicon Valley billionaires. For this reason, it makes total sense he’s a libertarian. He can’t comprehend the complexity of a modern society and has no understanding of the importance of a social safety net to a nation’s stability and prosperity. He has an inability to grasp different perspectives. Thiel also learned the difficult way from 2016 most Americans are not in favor of laissez faire capitalism that favors the wealthy and fortunate and is built upon the myth of meritocracy. Republicans must trick their voters to support it through culture war issues and Democrats must fool their voters by being the only reasonable other option.
Unsubscribed site to your recent IDF propaganda.
It was the Hillary stanning that did it for me
@@Newton-Reuther and yet, your still here...
Great interview, thank you.
ngl when a bottom feeding journalist who spends his/her days and night gossiping about people better than them tries to criticize a technology person for having "fantastical ideas" for trying to cure very human problems such as mortality it feels like a monkey is making fun of a human for using wheels
Peter Thiel wants to turn science fiction into reality. What a fascist! 🤣