More then a week has passed since the DLC release so a lot have been uncovered and a lot still to be discovered. But what have you discovered so far in your trip through the lands of shadow? Leave it down in the comments. Ps. The fact that the Two fingers and Fingercreepers are realated and that they have a mother is kinda creepy, not gonna lie. Edit: by the way check out my Radahn video as well if you are interested in that topic. Link below th-cam.com/video/0-IJ4C0dvnk/w-d-xo.html
It's likely she did get in the jar, and came out successfully as a saint, which gave her access to kill the hornsent god. Taking into account what the hornsent were willing to do to other races, I'd say the lands between was better off with Marika.
@@Zantetsu13 I have a theory that I will touch, in depth, on another video but to keep it short, I suspect that Marika proved herself useful enough to NOT be put in the jar.
The little erdtree says something really important, that seems to have been overlooked by a lot of people. "The kindness of gold, without the order" Marika represents the kindness of gold, and it was pure kindness before being corrupted by the elden beasts order. It's also interesting that radagon is associated with order with the fundamentalist incantations, the cross hatch symbolism, and his characterization as a "leal hound of the golden order". Perhaps radagon was a product of the elden beast, or a corruption of marika via the introduction of order.
I suspect the shamans were always gifted with incantations of Golden nature and Marika was likely a prodigy of particular talent. Radagon on the other hand, I feel like he is just a poor sap that follows the orders from the golden order because he can't say no. There is some lore indicating that he did not wanted to leave Rennala, but the Greater will, or its agents, basically told him to STFU and obey. that is speculation though. But a corruption? no he just feels like a conservative of his order that does not want to see everything burn.
I know Fromsoft already said that there's only 1 dlc for Elden Ring but didn't that ending leave you wanting more? If the base game is "the Lands Between", in between what? The Shadow realm and another... I'm thinking they left Godwyn and the Gloam-eyed Queen out of the DLC for a reason. Heck even Melina is still a puzzle tbh.
I mentioned that in my last video about Radahn, check that out by the way, but I really doubt fromsoft will spend another 2 years developing a second dlc. Thats not how they work as a developer. Would I want more Elden Ring? F yeah, as soon as possible! Will it happen? Probably in Elden Ring 2, 10 years from now 🥲
Melina is not the puzzle she was before. It is hinted she was the sister of Messmer. Marika gave her the secret duty of burning the Erdtree, as we understand by discovering the cell where we find her blade. Her eye was sealed as Messmer's eye was sealed. For shame. Of her fire powers.
So I know that a lot of people are thinking rn that Godwyn was Miquella's original choice for his consort but that changed when he died but I don't think so. I think the attempted resurrection makes sense if you look at it from the perspective of a child "Godwyn was here and we had good times, Godwyn is now gone and we have bad times, if Godwyn comes back maybe so will good times". Miquella tried to "undo" the cause of the shattering. Then when that failed Miquella tried to give him a proper death as talked about in the Golden Epitaph. This also makes sense in the context of a family where death is a foreign concept and nobody there probably knows how to process grief/loss. (Which parallel's Baldur's failed resurrection in Norse Myth that was attempted because the gods wanted him back, despite it going against the rules) Another reason could be that Miquella was aware of the spread of deathblight from Godwyn's corpse and hoped that bringing him back (possibly so he could control it) or fully killing him (cutting it off at the source) could end it.
I think fromsoft decided that Radahn was the easier design choise for a boss moveset and its mechanics. Jokes aside, your comment is great. Baldur's failed resurrection is an excellent paralel to remember considering that Godwyn's is this worlds Baldur. Not having Godwyn in this dlc was such a waste 😕
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN The reason Godwyn wasn't in the DLC is explained by the Death Knight armor. Most of the undead (now that they have a leader in The Prince of Death, referenced in the Call of Tibia item) are waiting for the Age of Duskborn. Essentially the faction that would've given us more Godwyn lore hasn't been officially formed yet but is beginning to.
I wonder if this means that Radagon is Marika's 'dedication to hierarchy and the way things are' being divested in order to go from demigod to god after being swayed by the fingers. In the same way Trina is divested.
It initially clicked with me, even before the DLC came out, that Miquella and Trina were synonymous with Marika and Radagon. I will say though, its difficult to say whether they function the same way. For example, Marika and Radagon may actually be two souls inhabiting one body rather than them being the same person, whereas Trina is a discarded aspect of self from Miquella. As similar as they are, I don't know if I'm comfortable saying they're one to one.
I have a theory that the two finger ruins of the map are the two fingers of the roundtable and the three fingers of the frenzied flames. Metyr was first and came from the location below ymir. The round table two fingers are what guided marika, and they landed not far from her village. The three fingers landed close to midra.
I think metyr was the conduit through which the two fingers communicated to the greater will. So the fact that she has had no contact means that all the two fingers have been misguided for a very long time. This is why ymir tells us that marica and the fingers were flawed from the beginning
I really enjoy how you can sort of change the context for your actions in the DLC with a little roleplaying. When fighting Midra, I did it after inheriting the Flame of Frenzy and pictured it as killing off a rival to the title of Lord of Chaos. With Miquella, I fought him after completing Ranni's quest so it's more a of battle between the Consorts of two Empyreans. Just fun little things like that.
I really like the idea of the Frenzied Flame being there before the Greater Will but Hyetta made it sound like both the Flame and the Greater Will were once close or maybe knew of eachother (order and chaos go hand in hand I guess, one cannot exist without the other)
If Marika and her people are perfect for melding flesh together, I wonder if Radagon combined with her at some point in the history of the lands between, and if this true why was it done? Is Radagon even a singular person, or is it an amalgamation of multiple people that became the Radagon personality in Marika?
People don't seem to understand what's happening here. It's best explained through davincis vitruvian man. The circle being the spiritual/soul side and the square , representing the body and nature. The beast if you will. The spiritual side cannot physically impact the world so a consort is needed. Miquella divested himself of his physical body and even his love , so forcing redahn to be his consort or physical body is no longer unthinkable for Miquella ... When you sacrifice your love your joy and kindness what's left ???? Nothing but your ambition Which believes yourself to be a god It's figurative as welll
The part where only ambition is left I agree but the physical and spiritual body thing I completly disagree. Why? because of Marika. She not only interacts with her world, both directly and indirectly, she still has a physical body when we meet her. She has urgency. Also the elden beast IS the PHYSICAL manifestation of the elden ring. The relation between Consorts of God and Lord is more political and symbolical than it is spiritual. But I know from where this theory comes from, it comes fom Griffith and the eclipse, he sacrifices his comrades flesh for power but the price is that he can't directly interact wih the world, he needs a vessel. But that's not the case for the empyrians in Elden Ring. They take consorts for practical/political reasons not spiritual ones. Radahn is Miquella's consort for the same reason Godfrey is Marika's. They are military commanders who can enforce their regime. The point is, all of this was never unthinkable for Miquella, like Griffith he was always and foremost guided by his ambitions. He only seperated the rest to achieve results. Edit: The paralels between Davincis vitruvian makes sense but I don't believe it fits very well with what actually happens in elden ring.
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN wow ty Like you said there's so much to unpack here The jar boys were called the cutest new creature beings by reviewers. I think it's crazy to think that none of those reviewers understood the body horror of what those jar boys were and how they were created. From the unique ability of the shaman people for their flesh to meld with others ... to everyone being reborn through erdtree burial being almost literally a child of Marika And gaining this ability , making grafting possible. I haven't found one deal put in this story without purpose. That's what completely makes me obsessed with this game. I only have one contention. In your disagreement. Well one for Marika being a physical being when we meet her.. and one about the nature of consorts being a vessel the way the Marika was a vessel of the Elden ring. My contention is in a question. When did we ever see Marika do anything physically??? How do we see her physically affect the world???? Bc my contention is that it's radagon who actually does the physical even to fighting. In marikas words ... in speaking to radagon ... she asks him to be shattered w her. The opening sequence of the game is radagon shattering the Elden ring Why would she need to ask him to shatter and be shattered if she could do it herself???? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe there is any point where Marika after v coming a god , physically affects the world I'm very curious and maybe I'm wrong but I'm very happy to talk with you someone that thinks about this as deeply as I do. It's much more interesting to have someone differ in opinion and offer their thoughts then to have them say, wow that all makes sense . When radagon actually Marries Renalla , the term consort is never used. Turtle pope , says they were married and had 3 children So why wasn't radagon rennallas consort for the time he was with her????? Obviously it's not a mistake It's bc Renalla doesn't need radagon to be a consort bc she is a whole person with a body and not a god I do believe that Miquella is taking the same steps to become a god his mother did. And that his telling of the story in the first trailer is when he still felt it's a dark path that ruined the world. It's not till he divests himself of his love that he doesn't feel it's a dark path anymore. The dark path of the empyrean ranni spoke about. Also Marika was rebelling against her oppression A genocide of her people Miquella also has noble goals to fix the world While I think , you are right, that taking Ming's body to bring back redahn may have been a thought It never would have been an action bc of st Trina Bc of his love and kindness That's what I meant. Bud if he sent maleania to fight redahn. Redahn prolly didn't want to defy the golden order at this point. Who would treat miquellas plan the same way they treated Rykard The worst kind of blasphemy against Marika and the golden order. Of course, it's all symbolic The Elden beasts is lanikea super cluster which most life in the Milky Way comes from The other place is the Pisces/perseus super cluster The force that pulls this super clusters together is known as the great attractor , this is called the greater will in Elden ring And the primeval current by sellen This is the power of the laws that govern life and death And how the nox were trying to create a god to combat the Elden beasts I believe the tarnished player character is what's called an unwanted child of Marika Bc of the sounds of the walking moseleaums when the player character wakes in the opening sequence But for all practical purposes everyone in the lands between is a child of Marika Ahh I could talk about this all day But do you have a discord or somewhere we could talk I'd really enjoy that
@@Chessheromusic first of all, also happy to discuss the lore with you bro. 👊 Now, on to the discussion. "When did we ever see Marika do anything physically???" She shatters the Elden Ring. Radagon is, at the same time, wrestling control from her in order to mend it. "Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe there is any point where Marika after v coming a god , physically affects the world" Then why be a God, if you can't physically control anything? The OUTER GODS uses Empyrians as vessels because they are too big in order to interact with mortals and spread their influence directly, therefore the Empyrian vessels take that role. That is not the case with the consorts. " So why wasn't radagon rennallas consort for the time he was with her?????" He was, king consort of Caria, hes not refered to that title anymore because he divorced and abandoned her.King or queen Consort is a title, one you gain by marrying the ruling figure of your state. But hey, how we look at these characters is up for each of us to decide. Thats the beauty of Elden Ring/fromsoft storytelling. I enjoy viewing Miquella as a chracter akin to "the Pincre" from Maquiavel. A character driven more by his ambitious pragmatism than his emotional ideologies, but thats me. we can agree to dissagree. But don't get me wrong, I enjoy theses discusson and this one is fun as well.
the fact that the frenzied flame was an enemy long before the lands between solidifies the theory that melina is a sister to mesmer, as she was probably familiar with it from the land of shadow
I bet that those finger prints on the mother, will match the imprint on the giant ones littered throughout the world. Just my opinion, but I wouldn't put it past them, hehe.
When it comes to the mother of fingers (Metyr). i just keep thinking of the three fingers. because if Metyr created the two fingers and three fingers as messengers. doesn't this mean she is responsible for the Frenzied Flame?
I personally love the theory that Godwyn was the original consort of Miquella. Ranni, knowing just how psychotic miquella actually is, planned the assassination of godwyn and to escape her two fingers. We know Miquella wanted to revive Godwyn via the eclipse & erdtree process for "those who died a Destined death" but ironically, Radahn held the stars at bay causing the eclipse to never happen, preventing Godwyns revival. I think Miquella realized he was shit out of luck, and targeted Radahn as his next consort. But Godwyn the golden overall would've fit the role of miquellas consort 1000% times better, but was fooled by Radahn & Ranni.
@@neilsaura-sacatropez9372 you do realize miquella doesn't physically age the same right? that cutscene probably took place prior to malenia going on her crusade to kill Radahn for the dlc purpose. Don't forget, we only hear Miquella speak, never Radahn. It also alludes to the fact Radahn would've never wanted this via the dialogue about Jerren and Freyja.
@@TheFrenziedFlameYT this is still all speculations and even though radahn probably never wanted this they still had a vow that's to say radahn most likely agreed at one point then decided not to honor his part of the vow
So then, what part of Marika was Radagon? Did Marika 'divest' herself the way Miquella did or did she become divine in a slightly different way than Miquella?
Maybe he was her resolve and sense of loyalty. I don't think she divested of anything, maybe the hornsent and the crucible blessing in their blood was the "sacrifice" she made. Marika does seems to be the exception for a lot of things.
The torch text does not alude to that, it aludes to a man being born and not a child. It's also too big to be a baby spine. But if you are correct then it is indeed creepy.
The description says it's made with a "small column", that Nanaya "cradles". They did a well job introducing her and not explaining a single thing of her lore, but those two things, together with the fact that we see no children of Nanaya and Midra, are what led me to conclude the torch is the baby. As for the "man" mentioned in the description, might be a separate thing, or the flame in the torch, no idea tbh. I might be wrong tho, its just what I put together.
Her lore does not state that but you could guess so. But the 3 fingers serve a different outer god so it is possible still that another being gave birth to that abomination
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More then a week has passed since the DLC release so a lot have been uncovered and a lot still to be discovered.
But what have you discovered so far in your trip through the lands of shadow? Leave it down in the comments.
Ps. The fact that the Two fingers and Fingercreepers are realated and that they have a mother is kinda creepy, not gonna lie.
Edit: by the way check out my Radahn video as well if you are interested in that topic. Link below
th-cam.com/video/0-IJ4C0dvnk/w-d-xo.html
If Marika would've just got in the damn jar , the Lands Between would've been a much different place.
It's likely she did get in the jar, and came out successfully as a saint, which gave her access to kill the hornsent god. Taking into account what the hornsent were willing to do to other races, I'd say the lands between was better off with Marika.
@JusticeforLiberty she may be a terrible woman, but the fandom needed Radagon. 😂
@@Zantetsu13 I have a theory that I will touch, in depth, on another video but to keep it short, I suspect that Marika proved herself useful enough to NOT be put in the jar.
@@cynreiusacari3163yum, Radagon❤
@mrsgamer9218 thats the raddy daddy huh 😂
The little erdtree says something really important, that seems to have been overlooked by a lot of people.
"The kindness of gold, without the order"
Marika represents the kindness of gold, and it was pure kindness before being corrupted by the elden beasts order.
It's also interesting that radagon is associated with order with the fundamentalist incantations, the cross hatch symbolism, and his characterization as a "leal hound of the golden order". Perhaps radagon was a product of the elden beast, or a corruption of marika via the introduction of order.
I suspect the shamans were always gifted with incantations of Golden nature and Marika was likely a prodigy of particular talent.
Radagon on the other hand, I feel like he is just a poor sap that follows the orders from the golden order because he can't say no.
There is some lore indicating that he did not wanted to leave Rennala, but the Greater will, or its agents, basically told him to STFU and obey. that is speculation though.
But a corruption? no he just feels like a conservative of his order that does not want to see everything burn.
I know Fromsoft already said that there's only 1 dlc for Elden Ring but didn't that ending leave you wanting more? If the base game is "the Lands Between", in between what? The Shadow realm and another... I'm thinking they left Godwyn and the Gloam-eyed Queen out of the DLC for a reason. Heck even Melina is still a puzzle tbh.
I mentioned that in my last video about Radahn, check that out by the way, but I really doubt fromsoft will spend another 2 years developing a second dlc. Thats not how they work as a developer.
Would I want more Elden Ring? F yeah, as soon as possible!
Will it happen? Probably in Elden Ring 2, 10 years from now 🥲
Possibly we will find out in a sequel I hope
Melina is not the puzzle she was before.
It is hinted she was the sister of Messmer.
Marika gave her the secret duty of burning the Erdtree, as we understand by discovering the cell where we find her blade.
Her eye was sealed as Messmer's eye was sealed. For shame. Of her fire powers.
@@robertjazz3613 10 years from now 🥲
@@antoninodarioconti6347sadly they removed her mentioned from Messmer's kindling description
So I know that a lot of people are thinking rn that Godwyn was Miquella's original choice for his consort but that changed when he died but I don't think so.
I think the attempted resurrection makes sense if you look at it from the perspective of a child "Godwyn was here and we had good times, Godwyn is now gone and we have bad times, if Godwyn comes back maybe so will good times". Miquella tried to "undo" the cause of the shattering. Then when that failed Miquella tried to give him a proper death as talked about in the Golden Epitaph. This also makes sense in the context of a family where death is a foreign concept and nobody there probably knows how to process grief/loss. (Which parallel's Baldur's failed resurrection in Norse Myth that was attempted because the gods wanted him back, despite it going against the rules)
Another reason could be that Miquella was aware of the spread of deathblight from Godwyn's corpse and hoped that bringing him back (possibly so he could control it) or fully killing him (cutting it off at the source) could end it.
I think fromsoft decided that Radahn was the easier design choise for a boss moveset and its mechanics. Jokes aside, your comment is great. Baldur's failed resurrection is an excellent paralel to remember considering that Godwyn's is this worlds Baldur.
Not having Godwyn in this dlc was such a waste 😕
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN The reason Godwyn wasn't in the DLC is explained by the Death Knight armor. Most of the undead (now that they have a leader in The Prince of Death, referenced in the Call of Tibia item) are waiting for the Age of Duskborn. Essentially the faction that would've given us more Godwyn lore hasn't been officially formed yet but is beginning to.
@@puncherofbread I doubt we will see that faction anytime soon unfortunatlly
I wonder if this means that Radagon is Marika's 'dedication to hierarchy and the way things are' being divested in order to go from demigod to god after being swayed by the fingers. In the same way Trina is divested.
It initially clicked with me, even before the DLC came out, that Miquella and Trina were synonymous with Marika and Radagon. I will say though, its difficult to say whether they function the same way. For example, Marika and Radagon may actually be two souls inhabiting one body rather than them being the same person, whereas Trina is a discarded aspect of self from Miquella. As similar as they are, I don't know if I'm comfortable saying they're one to one.
Nanaya was Midra's finger maiden, just like Hyetta is ours if we do the Frenzied Flame path
Not really she was his wife
@@AALion2004aka his maiden
I have a theory that the two finger ruins of the map are the two fingers of the roundtable and the three fingers of the frenzied flames.
Metyr was first and came from the location below ymir.
The round table two fingers are what guided marika, and they landed not far from her village.
The three fingers landed close to midra.
I think metyr was the conduit through which the two fingers communicated to the greater will. So the fact that she has had no contact means that all the two fingers have been misguided for a very long time. This is why ymir tells us that marica and the fingers were flawed from the beginning
I really enjoy how you can sort of change the context for your actions in the DLC with a little roleplaying.
When fighting Midra, I did it after inheriting the Flame of Frenzy and pictured it as killing off a rival to the title of Lord of Chaos.
With Miquella, I fought him after completing Ranni's quest so it's more a of battle between the Consorts of two Empyreans.
Just fun little things like that.
Realy feels like an D&D campaing in that regard eh? hahahah
Just having fun in building your own story.
I'm here for the discorevies ;). ty for the video!
now that the DLC is out i will be up till 4AM going crazy about lore instead of only 2AM :)
I really like the idea of the Frenzied Flame being there before the Greater Will but Hyetta made it sound like both the Flame and the Greater Will were once close or maybe knew of eachother (order and chaos go hand in hand I guess, one cannot exist without the other)
If Marika and her people are perfect for melding flesh together, I wonder if Radagon combined with her at some point in the history of the lands between, and if this true why was it done? Is Radagon even a singular person, or is it an amalgamation of multiple people that became the Radagon personality in Marika?
People don't seem to understand what's happening here.
It's best explained through davincis vitruvian man. The circle being the spiritual/soul side and the square , representing the body and nature. The beast if you will.
The spiritual side cannot physically impact the world so a consort is needed.
Miquella divested himself of his physical body and even his love , so forcing redahn to be his consort or physical body is no longer unthinkable for Miquella ...
When you sacrifice your love your joy and kindness what's left ????
Nothing but your ambition
Which believes yourself to be a god
It's figurative as welll
The part where only ambition is left I agree but the physical and spiritual body thing I completly disagree.
Why? because of Marika. She not only interacts with her world, both directly and indirectly, she still has a physical body when we meet her. She has urgency.
Also the elden beast IS the PHYSICAL manifestation of the elden ring.
The relation between Consorts of God and Lord is more political and symbolical than it is spiritual.
But I know from where this theory comes from, it comes fom Griffith and the eclipse, he sacrifices his comrades flesh for power but the price is that he can't directly interact wih the world, he needs a vessel.
But that's not the case for the empyrians in Elden Ring. They take consorts for practical/political reasons not spiritual ones.
Radahn is Miquella's consort for the same reason Godfrey is Marika's. They are military commanders who can enforce their regime.
The point is, all of this was never unthinkable for Miquella, like Griffith he was always and foremost guided by his ambitions. He only seperated the rest to achieve results.
Edit: The paralels between Davincis vitruvian makes sense but I don't believe it fits very well with what actually happens in elden ring.
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN wow ty
Like you said there's so much to unpack here
The jar boys were called the cutest new creature beings by reviewers.
I think it's crazy to think that none of those reviewers understood the body horror of what those jar boys were and how they were created.
From the unique ability of the shaman people for their flesh to meld with others ... to everyone being reborn through erdtree burial being almost literally a child of Marika
And gaining this ability , making grafting possible.
I haven't found one deal put in this story without purpose.
That's what completely makes me obsessed with this game.
I only have one contention. In your disagreement.
Well one for Marika being a physical being when we meet her.. and one about the nature of consorts being a vessel the way the Marika was a vessel of the Elden ring.
My contention is in a question. When did we ever see Marika do anything physically???
How do we see her physically affect the world????
Bc my contention is that it's radagon who actually does the physical even to fighting.
In marikas words ... in speaking to radagon ... she asks him to be shattered w her.
The opening sequence of the game is radagon shattering the Elden ring
Why would she need to ask him to shatter and be shattered if she could do it herself????
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe there is any point where Marika after v coming a god , physically affects the world
I'm very curious and maybe I'm wrong but I'm very happy to talk with you someone that thinks about this as deeply as I do.
It's much more interesting to have someone differ in opinion and offer their thoughts then to have them say, wow that all makes sense .
When radagon actually Marries Renalla , the term consort is never used.
Turtle pope , says they were married and had 3 children
So why wasn't radagon rennallas consort for the time he was with her?????
Obviously it's not a mistake
It's bc Renalla doesn't need radagon to be a consort bc she is a whole person with a body and not a god
I do believe that Miquella is taking the same steps to become a god his mother did.
And that his telling of the story in the first trailer is when he still felt it's a dark path that ruined the world.
It's not till he divests himself of his love that he doesn't feel it's a dark path anymore.
The dark path of the empyrean ranni spoke about.
Also Marika was rebelling against her oppression
A genocide of her people
Miquella also has noble goals to fix the world
While I think , you are right, that taking Ming's body to bring back redahn may have been a thought
It never would have been an action bc of st Trina
Bc of his love and kindness
That's what I meant.
Bud if he sent maleania to fight redahn. Redahn prolly didn't want to defy the golden order at this point.
Who would treat miquellas plan the same way they treated Rykard
The worst kind of blasphemy against Marika and the golden order.
Of course, it's all symbolic
The Elden beasts is lanikea super cluster which most life in the Milky Way comes from
The other place is the Pisces/perseus super cluster
The force that pulls this super clusters together is known as the great attractor , this is called the greater will in Elden ring
And the primeval current by sellen
This is the power of the laws that govern life and death
And how the nox were trying to create a god to combat the Elden beasts
I believe the tarnished player character is what's called an unwanted child of Marika
Bc of the sounds of the walking moseleaums when the player character wakes in the opening sequence
But for all practical purposes everyone in the lands between is a child of Marika
Ahh I could talk about this all day
But do you have a discord or somewhere we could talk
I'd really enjoy that
@@Chessheromusic first of all, also happy to discuss the lore with you bro. 👊
Now, on to the discussion.
"When did we ever see Marika do anything physically???"
She shatters the Elden Ring. Radagon is, at the same time, wrestling control from her in order to mend it.
"Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe there is any point where Marika after v coming a god , physically affects the world"
Then why be a God, if you can't physically control anything?
The OUTER GODS uses Empyrians as vessels because they are too big in order to interact with mortals and spread their influence directly, therefore the Empyrian vessels take that role.
That is not the case with the consorts.
" So why wasn't radagon rennallas consort for the time he was with her?????"
He was, king consort of Caria, hes not refered to that title anymore because he divorced and abandoned her.King or queen Consort is a title, one you gain by marrying the ruling figure of your state.
But hey, how we look at these characters is up for each of us to decide. Thats the beauty of Elden Ring/fromsoft storytelling.
I enjoy viewing Miquella as a chracter akin to "the Pincre" from Maquiavel. A character driven more by his ambitious pragmatism than his emotional ideologies, but thats me.
we can agree to dissagree. But don't get me wrong, I enjoy theses discusson and this one is fun as well.
Yeah I saw that video too
the fact that the frenzied flame was an enemy long before the lands between solidifies the theory that melina is a sister to mesmer, as she was probably familiar with it from the land of shadow
It’s not an enemy it’s a solution
If Metyr is mother of all fingers, does that mean the three fingers also came from her?
personally, i think marika 1, had to prove herself useful enough to not kill, and 2. probably hid herself using the mimic veil
I bet that those finger prints on the mother, will match the imprint on the giant ones littered throughout the world. Just my opinion, but I wouldn't put it past them, hehe.
Wouldnt the mother of fingers also be the mother of the three fingers? That would mean both the 2 fingers and 3 fingers truly came from the same hand.
When it comes to the mother of fingers (Metyr). i just keep thinking of the three fingers. because if Metyr created the two fingers and three fingers as messengers. doesn't this mean she is responsible for the Frenzied Flame?
Or she didn't create the three fingers
I personally love the theory that Godwyn was the original consort of Miquella. Ranni, knowing just how psychotic miquella actually is, planned the assassination of godwyn and to escape her two fingers. We know Miquella wanted to revive Godwyn via the eclipse & erdtree process for "those who died a Destined death" but ironically, Radahn held the stars at bay causing the eclipse to never happen, preventing Godwyns revival. I think Miquella realized he was shit out of luck, and targeted Radahn as his next consort. But Godwyn the golden overall would've fit the role of miquellas consort 1000% times better, but was fooled by Radahn & Ranni.
The cutscene at the end probably disprove this immediately since miquella already asked radahn to be his consort when they're younger
@@neilsaura-sacatropez9372 you do realize miquella doesn't physically age the same right? that cutscene probably took place prior to malenia going on her crusade to kill Radahn for the dlc purpose. Don't forget, we only hear Miquella speak, never Radahn. It also alludes to the fact Radahn would've never wanted this via the dialogue about Jerren and Freyja.
@@TheFrenziedFlameYT this is still all speculations and even though radahn probably never wanted this they still had a vow that's to say radahn most likely agreed at one point then decided not to honor his part of the vow
Midrange is my favorite bos in all of FromSoft
So then, what part of Marika was Radagon? Did Marika 'divest' herself the way Miquella did or did she become divine in a slightly different way than Miquella?
Maybe he was her resolve and sense of loyalty. I don't think she divested of anything, maybe the hornsent and the crucible blessing in their blood was the "sacrifice" she made. Marika does seems to be the exception for a lot of things.
I still dont find the way to midra home, where is the way for his home?
hungary
Quebec actually...
Dreadfull place
Nanaya's torch is made with the spine of her baby
Creepy
The torch text does not alude to that, it aludes to a man being born and not a child. It's also too big to be a baby spine. But if you are correct then it is indeed creepy.
Its implied that the baby was lost and spine was a piece of Midra. Since he cant walk in his 1st phase
The description says it's made with a "small column", that Nanaya "cradles". They did a well job introducing her and not explaining a single thing of her lore, but those two things, together with the fact that we see no children of Nanaya and Midra, are what led me to conclude the torch is the baby. As for the "man" mentioned in the description, might be a separate thing, or the flame in the torch, no idea tbh. I might be wrong tho, its just what I put together.
@@kindasus3749 Fair enough.
No new Moon lores other than realizing there were two. Renala follows one, Rani follows the other while Renalla follows both.
Shadow
Singular
One shadow
Great vid !! Maybe correct the title tho 😊
So if metyr created the 2 fingers then that also means it created the 3 fingers right?
Her lore does not state that but you could guess so. But the 3 fingers serve a different outer god so it is possible still that another being gave birth to that abomination
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIANHer lore describes her as the "mother of all fingers" if I remember correctly so yes
Ive always believed the the finger crawlers and fingers were related but people didnt believe me
I dont really get hornsent being mad at marika and messmer for killing his people even though they were crazy people
You misspelled discoveries 😅
Fuck!! lol
Edit: FIXED IT!! hahaha Btw thank you
@@DISCOUNTRUSSIAN what have i discoreved
LORE DISCORVED
ShadoW not shadowS doofus