What distinguishes this channel (other than the archaeology) is how they clearly researched their theories prior to release to the extent that they elude to months of work and theory collation rather than release asap to generate views. Truely a labor of love
@@tarnishedarchaeologistthat's not a compliment that's an objective factual observation. I thought I understood elden ring lore as well as any did after hundreds of hours of lore videos, then I watch one tarnished archeologist video and realize I knew absolutely nothing
i have to agree, seems like tarnished archaeologist here doesn't just do extra research but also goes back over it a couple times and double checks and cross references everything. No hate to other lore channels, i think most do great work, but this channel seems to bring things to another level
I truly hope that you one day consider partnering with the psychologist and perhaps others to write an anthology that delves deeper into the real-world parallels . I’m all-in for it. Thank you for what you do!
That final teaser revealing Radagon's point of union with Marika is going to be very interesting. Speaking of cataclysmic events, I hope we get to see your findings The Finger Ruins. Visually, they look as if the Greater Will itself gripped the land and I'm curious if there's any historical imagery or geographic indications that can contextualize the alien environment.
Im guessing it must have been Metyr that warned Elden John that the lava flood was coming, especially if the coming of the elden beast was what caused the flood.
I think the great cataclysm that flooded the Lands Between with molten rock was the meteor that brought Metyr. She is described as being the first that the Greater Will put on the planet, the Elden Beast I believe arrived during Marika's ascension.
I think something interesting we can gleam is that the divine locus framed by the Gate of Divinity is indigenous to the Lands Between, while the Elden Star and the Fingers (all envoys of the greater will) are not. I think what's very subtly being posited here is that the Greater Will is an alien force that exudes its influence on these lands, yet true divinity is something very much natural and native to the Lands Between as perhaps was the focus of the Rauh civilization. Now, I'm a bit unsure whether the Rauh civilization destroyed itself because of cults to the World Eating Serpent (associated with magma) or if the Elden Beast star brought up the molten cataclysm or whether the Elden Beast simply brought life back to the molten world, but it remains that the Greater Will was probably not happy with the fact that the tower folk were digging up the Rauh ruins and seeking their own divinity rather than venerating the Greater Will (basically digging up the "Nephilim"), so Marika was given her finger envoys to guide her in succeeding them and perhaps even purging them later.
The ruins being giant finger prints is probably a very literal metaphor/allusion to Lovecraft. I think in the story about Cthulu theres a line that says something like “What we see of him is but a fingerprint” or something like that. Im botching it but
As soon as you reminded me of rain I thought "But in this case it didn't rain, and maybe wasn't one meteor impact, maybe it was like a meteor shower that liquified the land all over." and then my mind went to "Founding Rain of Stars" the first of all Glintstone Sorceries "The glimpse of the primeval current that the astrologer saw became real, and the stars' amber rained down on this land." If that astrologer was the ancient dynast, it could stand to reason that he foresaw this "Rain of Stars" in the primeval current and the rest is history as described All im saying is the fact that the first glintstone sorcery is described as "Rain" and was essentially a meteor shower does connect nicely with these ideas and is also ancient in nature, playing a similar role as "the first" so to speak
The Asassin’s Creed theme, structures older than the earth (lava), and museum artifacts, this is my happy place. Can’t wait to watch the full episode later!
I think your theory about the stone coffins floating there on lava makes perfect sense. Mostly because a ship made of stone would never float on water.
I think it depends on construction. Ships don’t have to be made of buoyant materials (otherwise our steel ships nowadays would sink), they just have to have enough air in their hull to displace enough water to stay afloat. As long as the rock making up a ship is watertight, it should be able to float. Though I do agree, in this case with the Elden ring coffin ships, it sounds for sure like a lava flood.
I am once again blown away by your skills here. I can't watch a lot of elden ring lore videos since the dlc. Because it seems to muddle a lot of the lore or is completely unrelated? I'd love to be wrong but most videos just seem way to speculative yet said with an air of authority. But you're takes using your knowledge of real world mythos gives so much life to this world! I love it. Thank you for your hard work!
The bodies of the titans rising from the landscape probably started as another Nausicaa reference, the bodies of the ancient god warriors that dot the landscape. It's also not hard to see the many stone pillars embedded in the earth as an evolution of the stone forest that holds up the world of dark souls, visible in Ash Lake, which is also a Nausicaa reference (note the giant skull there as well).
I love how the begginings of these, and throughout, feel so different from other lore videos. People always make their lore videos relating to pop culture references or other From games. But its nice to see comparisons between real history/myths.
The only other creator who I'm aware of who does anywhere near as good of a job is Quelaag, who's really getting every cent she can out of her education (I say with love if you see this, I feel that sister) though it seems like it's more based in literary criticism, and her vibe is a little more "eccentric aunt who's quite smart takes you to school"
You opened my mind to so much that doesn't even has to do with ER, I got like 20 tavs open at the moment, gonna be a long night, thanks brother, you're keeping me alive in those dark days.
What sets TA apart for me is the fact that even if I were to find a particular theory to be farfetched (which hasn't happened yet), the videos and by extension the game itself have become vehicles to learn about so many fascinating ancient cultures. This shit is awesome, well done TA!!
I have had my gripes with some of your theories, but this was just masterful. I'm blown away. I had an inkling of the 'ark' idea, but I hadn't imagined they would be designed to 'float' along such a magma deluge. Nor that not all of the ark's would have become putrescence. 3 survivors is a brilliant idea/find. Absolutely stunning work on this one, truly
Ngl fam as soon as I walked around the stone ships in-game a few months back I remember thinking “Ol’ TA is gonna have a field day with this one”. Called it, great vid as always 🔥
What if the great stone flood was the Crucible itself? The Elden Star landing was the cataclysmic event that caused the lands to melt into one soup of rock and life. The Erdtree couldve been born from the land shortly after, when the land was fertile from the life that once was. People that survived coulve splintered their beliefs, with people like the hornsent worshiping the event itself as the birth of life, and others worshipping the erdtree born from the event, when really its all just different aspects of the Greater Will to begin with.
I subscribe to this. Only problem is that there's suposed to be no civilization before the splitting of the One Great. Unless maybe what was there before wasn't life, like the everlasting dragons or archtrees from before fire
I thought about it too but i'm confused to the fact ruah worships the crucible and it existed before the flood, unless ruah are just hornsent who came to inhabit the ruins of the ancient giants, and the crucible happened to be near it.
The marriage ritual atop the tower reminds me of the big snake from Sekiro's ritual. They offered up a bride in the tent where wolf stabs the serpent in the eye. Was Marika being offered up as a bride to that eiglay snake thing but she killed it and took the golden strands of life from its eye? And as Rykard-snake tells us "A serpent never dies"
I've always been fascinated by the Flood myths, because you can find a Flood mentioned in most cultures in that general vicinity, and even a few further out. (I think there's actually a Taiwanese variant that refers back to Noah) Beyond Noah, I'm a Greek mythology buff, so I'm most familiar with Deucalion , but I vaguely know of myths from all around the Mediterranean
As most of the major civilisations that we have inherited our written culture from were formed next to rivers that is no surprise. The Nile and Egyptian culture, Tigris & Euphrates city-states , Indus basin culture, and the river basin where Chines cultures flourished are responsible for this. It's amazing how integral their mythological/historical structures are to much of modern culture today.
This series feels like a mix between elden ring lore and trey the explainer. It's such delightful vibe. Intriguing, informative and relaxing. Looking forward to the next one
I'm wondering if you or anyone else has covered the cliffside terrain of Mr Gelmir/Altus/Liurnia? When I look at it I get the sense that it has been manipulated by gravity magic. Especially given those spires around the Uhl Palace Ruins, which was likely mostly teleported underground.
each time I see or explore the inmediation of gelmir, including caria, give the sense that teluric activity has shake the region in the 2010 earthquake, a whole city was moven a meter, similar case is the island of chiloe was risen other meter, same country. when looking the road on gelmir is clear that mountain gelmir has being rising upward, gelmir is not only active, is moving/growing
The Mt. Gelmir map says that it underwent violent upheavals during the Shattering - apparently even the land buckled and broke. So it’s very plausible that Mt. Gelmir looks like that only now that the Shattering has shaken and broken it.
I love that the best Elden Ring lore videos are not-so-secretly science communication videos. You do an amazing job of teaching people how real scientists learn about the real ancient world, while constantly making me go OHHHHHH about a game ive played hundreds of hours of
Tarnished Archaeologist is one of the best things to come out of this really terrible era of humanity that was so terrible it only could have created him. Truly, a diamond in the rough. This man is how you create golden angels from turds.
I think the Sun Realm Shield is an incredibly under appreciated lore item. It reveals the possiblity of an ancient era where the Sun ruled as a god, specially since Sun worship was a very prevalent religion all around the world, including the Sumerians. I think that the Fell God is related to this Sun god. This would explain the Fire Giant's forge was already built before this flood, and would mark the "Sun Realm" era as the one before the flood.
You are not wrong in facts the one eyed sun deity does appear in Mesopotamian mythology it's an evil goddess slain by ninurta Mesopotamian god of war,warriors, agriculture, harvest, hunting
I remember thinking these could have been ‘generation ships’ for the Numen. That they may have been star faring. At least that was before more evidence came about. This is a good conclusion as well.
Since we only find them in forges, I believe they use lava as a heat source for forging. Since the Flames of Ruin belonged to the Fire Giants and are far away from the Land of Shadow, they use magma to mass produce weapons, armors and golems.
As per your later comment, I'm in favor of the idea that the molten cataclysm was the apocalypse of the World Devouring Serpent of Gelmir, who is associated with magma. The Fire Giants were probably the survivors of the primeval titans, who in despair devoted themselves to a fell god that kept them alive (possibly via the knowledge of metal-smithing, using the magma to their advantage). The Elden Star that was fortold to Elden John (probably by Metyr, the first star to land) landed later, animating stone dragons from the magma and cooling the magma enough so that the land could be settled again. I'm guessing part of the reason that the Greater Will sent another set of Finger envoys to Marika's village was because the tower folk of Enir-Ilim and the dragons had strayed from Elden John's tree prophecy and were digging up the Rauh ruins - basically digging up the "Nephilim".
The forges are weird. They don't natively have an access to above ground, they've all been dug into. So maybe they were there before the flood, but the architecture is Hornsent. Maybe Hornsent culture is much more ancient than I expected.
Replaying demon souls ds1-2-3 bloodborne & sekiro after beating elden ring & its Dlc left me with many epiphanies in the lore & am still constantly unearthing some unsettling revelations with the hindsight of elden ring & The shadow of the erd tree Your work is very important. Super informative
32:40 This MUST tie into the Nephilim mythology, i think we also have some babylonian or sumerian sources talking about rituals where gods would partake in the marital ritual, producing "2/3 god, 1/3 human" offspring, which perfectly ties into the nephilim stories in the biblical account, both the canonical and apocryphal ones.
Finding this channel is like digging up buried treasure. Using real life history and myth to help frame Fromsoft lore is two flavors of my interests I did not know I needed in one dish
My personal headcanon is that my ds3 character fled the old lands to escape the age of the deep sea. The old legends of the crucible where life all blended together came from the retellings of the dreg heap at the end of time. Pure fantasy
I like your interpretation that the stones coffins only became stone coffins after the occupants were trapped inside. It makes way more sense that they were arks but that only a few survived the catechism.
Brilliant as always! I swear, every video you post warrants a new playthrough of this brilliant game! The work you do does SO much to augment the pristine gameplay and sense of adventure that Elden Ring offers! Much love TA, been along for the ride since your first 500 subs or so! Keep it up and know your work is meaningful and deeply appreciated!!
You’re definitely onto something with the Dynasty being the precursor civilization to Enir-Ilim. In the gaols, specifically the one under Belurat, there’s a heavy presence of Dynasty-style architecture, albeit slightly more ornate in ornamentation. It’s also curious that these gaols are where the Swordhands of Night are born. The atmospheric effects in the more expansive parts of the gaols are very reminiscent of the false Night we see in Nokstella, and although the game doesn’t have any built-in temperature gauge, these gaols are implied to be freezing cold, suggested by the presence of frozen maggots and frost coating various surfaces within. On a side note, I think this seems to reinforce a connection between Ranni’s Dark Moon and the Black Moon of Nokstella.
Absolutely love the unique approach you bring to Elden Ring lore! The way you seamlessly draw parallels between real-world history, mythology, and the intricate world of Elden Ring is nothing short of brilliant. It’s fascinating to see how you theorize the inspirations behind the game’s narrative and world-building, bringing a whole new level of depth to the lore. Your research and storytelling add so much richness to the experience-truly elevating the appreciation of the game. I really appreciate you making these videos. They are truly inspiring.
i believe some of the answers to the bull iconography can be found on Dark Souls 2. The iron king is represented as a bull, and Yui worked his ass off on that game, and there's so much of ds2 in elden ring (like with the emerald herald and her purple eye). Maybe the answer lies there, in the forgotten dark souls game
The important detail in the DLC, referencing the taurus vessels. are the golden sculptures in the Belurat, depicting the boats with the apparent oxen design being used in some sort of ceremonial procession, likely funerary ritual. Take a look at that please!
It was literally just yesterday that I thought"it's been awhile since the last TA video, I hope they release another one soon" and here we are! TA, you are my favorite ER lore channel, and the use of Ezio's theme from Assassin's Creed always hits me right in the feels 😊
Hmmm what obvious thing I've missed all along about the map icons of the divine towers, at least. The melted rock is in a very distinct color from the actual tower as in to signify that are of separate origin and as you say, of separate eras.
Many Fromsoft theorists are so speculative that their content is more about their creativity than the story’s depth. You base your theories in such concrete evidence that it’s not so much that I wonder and praise your findings,and more then I’m amazed, impressed, and more deeply intrigued by the story tellers at Fromsoft. And that’s the way strong analysis writhing should be. (Not that I’m not also very impressed by you, too!) Well done!
Maybe I'm just too addicted to lore videos and let myself get muddled up. But whenever Tarnished Archaeologist comes along it feels like a big puzzle piece gets put into place on something that wasn't fitting together quite right.
Hey Tarnished Arch, another excellent video! I was thinking, maybe the great catastrophe was caused by the Titans, causing geological events, perhaps the emergence of Mount Gelmir (an active volcano) and ending the activities of Jagged Peak. It would be worth investigating
Here is the problem with these videos: I keep going into them thinking that they have already hit bedrock on what the game has put out there, so I keep thinking the next video is going to be a rehash of the previous videos....but then every time they turn out to be incredible deep dives into similarities with our world's mythic past but with a twist. Remarkable.
I'm a big fan if art in general. Thanks for Tarnished archeologist for this series. Each episode confirms to me what I felt intuitively from the release of the Elden Ring: it is one of the most complex and subtle epics of our time. Thanks for unearthing so many of the game's strati!
One thing I've been thinking about when re-exploring the base game areas is how it feels like some areas are "grafted" together. The Divine Bridge has a very strange and steep cut off with seemingly no rubble beneath it, and is pointedly not bridge like. Almost as if it was suddenly ripped away.
I think i can see two possible events in two different eras: one submerged the titans, one the subsequient civilization that built the stuctures embedded in rocks (giant columns and coffins/arks), and those correspond to the arrive of the Elden Beast/Ring and Metyr, respectively... You're the best for lore, thanks for all the videos.
Hey there again, I’m back with another Batshit insane theory. So, the idea that I had is that, instead of a Golden Order servant, Elden John was an astrologer. He’s holding what seems to be the earliest known map of the Lands Between, and is seemingly the only person aware of what was presumably a cosmic danger. Additionally, I think we actually see him in game: he’s one of the Nokron giants. The titanic bodies all around the Lands Between are far, far larger than anything we see elsewhere, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re the final remains of the pre-flood civilization. Elden John, and the other Nokron bodies. might just be runts of the Litter. This would also suggest that the other bodies in Nokron were significant religious figures to the Numen. Depending on how long it took for the Molten Rock to cool, it’s likely that Elden John himself died during the journey, and was enshrined as sort of religious figure. As the story of Elden John fades into myth, his depiction begins to change with the times. He goes from a guiding astrologer to a symbol of the newly formed society of tree-worship, with only the Nox remembering and adhering to his love and the stars. This theory also has huge implications for Marika, suggesting that she’s FAR older than we initially thought. Additionally, I find it more likely that the Impact responsible for the cataclysm was Metyr, instead of the Elden Beast. I find it to be far too early for the Elden Beast’s arrival, but that might just be me. Additionally, it could’ve been the only instance of direct influence by an Outer God in the known history of the game. It could even be a failed attempt at achieving the Frenzied Flame ending, really anything is possible in that regard.
it's amazing how much the game's lore is modeled on the myths and legends of our world if it was once in a while, we could say that it's overinterpretation but it happens so much all the time! not to mention the fact that grr martin and hidetaka miyazaki are big fans of history the story construction of this game is just crazy
Very insightful! I think the Dynast was a convert for the Scadu tree during the age of Placidusax. If the ancient dragons and titans shared a catastrophe, it would mirror the end of the dinosaurs.
it is not an exaggeration to say my life goes on hold when a new Archaeology video comes out
Literally walked out of church
Literally the only channel I have alerts for
I don't know why I fucking love this channel so much. Like I think I love this channel even more than the game lmao
Dearest Mother, wouldst thou truly Lore-ship sanction an Elden Ring theory bereft of Archeology?
@@tuckddd9”sorry Father, but I put my faith in the Erdtree now”
Tarnished Archaeologist has no fans.
He has students.
lmao I left such a long comment because this theory has me INSPIRED. It's really compelling - and I just wanna complete it!
And I currently have a D- 😂
What distinguishes this channel (other than the archaeology) is how they clearly researched their theories prior to release to the extent that they elude to months of work and theory collation rather than release asap to generate views. Truely a labor of love
What a nice compliment :)
@@tarnishedarchaeologistthat's not a compliment that's an objective factual observation. I thought I understood elden ring lore as well as any did after hundreds of hours of lore videos, then I watch one tarnished archeologist video and realize I knew absolutely nothing
It's the same reason I like your videos. There is a layer of 'texture' that other content creators are missing. Keep up the good work! 🎩
i have to agree, seems like tarnished archaeologist here doesn't just do extra research but also goes back over it a couple times and double checks and cross references everything. No hate to other lore channels, i think most do great work, but this channel seems to bring things to another level
So researched he's saying these stone coffins might be Arks created for a flood, but stone doesn't float. What a waste of time
I truly hope that you one day consider partnering with the psychologist and perhaps others to write an anthology that delves deeper into the real-world parallels . I’m all-in for it. Thank you for what you do!
100 smackaroos??
Wow, thank you!
❤ great show of support
Holy crap 100 doubloons?! I could buy 10 little Cesars with that😮
@@user-zp8kj2cl9gwhy would you when you could donate it to the TA?
That final teaser revealing Radagon's point of union with Marika is going to be very interesting.
Speaking of cataclysmic events, I hope we get to see your findings The Finger Ruins. Visually, they look as if the Greater Will itself gripped the land and I'm curious if there's any historical imagery or geographic indications that can contextualize the alien environment.
Im guessing it must have been Metyr that warned Elden John that the lava flood was coming, especially if the coming of the elden beast was what caused the flood.
Check this dude Ontos out he has some interesting ideas on their union.
I think the great cataclysm that flooded the Lands Between with molten rock was the meteor that brought Metyr. She is described as being the first that the Greater Will put on the planet, the Elden Beast I believe arrived during Marika's ascension.
I think something interesting we can gleam is that the divine locus framed by the Gate of Divinity is indigenous to the Lands Between, while the Elden Star and the Fingers (all envoys of the greater will) are not.
I think what's very subtly being posited here is that the Greater Will is an alien force that exudes its influence on these lands, yet true divinity is something very much natural and native to the Lands Between as perhaps was the focus of the Rauh civilization.
Now, I'm a bit unsure whether the Rauh civilization destroyed itself because of cults to the World Eating Serpent (associated with magma) or if the Elden Beast star brought up the molten cataclysm or whether the Elden Beast simply brought life back to the molten world, but it remains that the Greater Will was probably not happy with the fact that the tower folk were digging up the Rauh ruins and seeking their own divinity rather than venerating the Greater Will (basically digging up the "Nephilim"), so Marika was given her finger envoys to guide her in succeeding them and perhaps even purging them later.
The ruins being giant finger prints is probably a very literal metaphor/allusion to Lovecraft. I think in the story about Cthulu theres a line that says something like “What we see of him is but a fingerprint” or something like that. Im botching it but
As soon as you reminded me of rain I thought "But in this case it didn't rain, and maybe wasn't one meteor impact, maybe it was like a meteor shower that liquified the land all over." and then my mind went to "Founding Rain of Stars" the first of all Glintstone Sorceries
"The glimpse of the primeval current that the astrologer saw became real, and the stars' amber rained down on this land."
If that astrologer was the ancient dynast, it could stand to reason that he foresaw this "Rain of Stars" in the primeval current and the rest is history as described
All im saying is the fact that the first glintstone sorcery is described as "Rain" and was essentially a meteor shower does connect nicely with these ideas and is also ancient in nature, playing a similar role as "the first" so to speak
Oh shit thats a good point
Keep cooking 🔥🔥🔥
Nice one!
Wow! Nice job
Goated comment. I'm gonna go unlike everything else I clicked on
"But that, our friends, is a story for another day" NOOO DON'T END LIKE THIS COME BACK I NEED MORE
Every time lol
When he started pointing out the woman…i was dreading the cliffhang 😢
Vid released yesterday- so, can that day be today please?
The best Elden Ring lore TH-camr hands DOWN.
@@devinguy the best lore TH-camr hands down
It’s astonishing how good it is, really.
The Asassin’s Creed theme, structures older than the earth (lava), and museum artifacts, this is my happy place. Can’t wait to watch the full episode later!
Jesper Kyd has done so many 10/10 video game soundtracks. Borderlands 3 menu theme is another one of my favs from him.
Bro I miss when assassin's creed was coming out with Ezio bangers every year
TA is extremely based it seems.
Wasn’t the cg stuff from Civ too?
I think your theory about the stone coffins floating there on lava makes perfect sense. Mostly because a ship made of stone would never float on water.
I think it depends on construction. Ships don’t have to be made of buoyant materials (otherwise our steel ships nowadays would sink), they just have to have enough air in their hull to displace enough water to stay afloat. As long as the rock making up a ship is watertight, it should be able to float.
Though I do agree, in this case with the Elden ring coffin ships, it sounds for sure like a lava flood.
@@seaottar25 That's a very good point my friend.
@@chrisprescott2273 Concrete ships have been made since the 1800s, though they never became very common.
@@Tyneras That's quite interesting.
Stone diesn't float in lava it melts. Sorry but this video is stupid af and anyone believing anything said here should have their brain checked.
I am once again blown away by your skills here. I can't watch a lot of elden ring lore videos since the dlc. Because it seems to muddle a lot of the lore or is completely unrelated? I'd love to be wrong but most videos just seem way to speculative yet said with an air of authority. But you're takes using your knowledge of real world mythos gives so much life to this world! I love it. Thank you for your hard work!
Thanks!
The bodies of the titans rising from the landscape probably started as another Nausicaa reference, the bodies of the ancient god warriors that dot the landscape.
It's also not hard to see the many stone pillars embedded in the earth as an evolution of the stone forest that holds up the world of dark souls, visible in Ash Lake, which is also a Nausicaa reference (note the giant skull there as well).
I love how the begginings of these, and throughout, feel so different from other lore videos. People always make their lore videos relating to pop culture references or other From games. But its nice to see comparisons between real history/myths.
The only other creator who I'm aware of who does anywhere near as good of a job is Quelaag, who's really getting every cent she can out of her education (I say with love if you see this, I feel that sister) though it seems like it's more based in literary criticism, and her vibe is a little more "eccentric aunt who's quite smart takes you to school"
You opened my mind to so much that doesn't even has to do with ER, I got like 20 tavs open at the moment, gonna be a long night, thanks brother, you're keeping me alive in those dark days.
That's the goal!
Stay strong my friend 👊💚
The best lore channel of Elden Ring community hands down
For every storyteller that passes in to history another is born to tell their story, but that is a story for another day. RIP Jason.
What sets TA apart for me is the fact that even if I were to find a particular theory to be farfetched (which hasn't happened yet), the videos and by extension the game itself have become vehicles to learn about so many fascinating ancient cultures. This shit is awesome, well done TA!!
I have had my gripes with some of your theories, but this was just masterful. I'm blown away. I had an inkling of the 'ark' idea, but I hadn't imagined they would be designed to 'float' along such a magma deluge. Nor that not all of the ark's would have become putrescence. 3 survivors is a brilliant idea/find. Absolutely stunning work on this one, truly
I know you're not supposed to rush perfection, but the wait is painful. Love your content.
Ngl fam as soon as I walked around the stone ships in-game a few months back I remember thinking “Ol’ TA is gonna have a field day with this one”. Called it, great vid as always 🔥
Everyone wussing out and avoiding these topics meanwhile TA is out there ACTUALLY trying to figure out the lore.
Wake up babe, tarnished archeologist dropped a Fromsoft Flood Myth
Flooding our mind with the deepest lore
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What if the great stone flood was the Crucible itself? The Elden Star landing was the cataclysmic event that caused the lands to melt into one soup of rock and life. The Erdtree couldve been born from the land shortly after, when the land was fertile from the life that once was. People that survived coulve splintered their beliefs, with people like the hornsent worshiping the event itself as the birth of life, and others worshipping the erdtree born from the event, when really its all just different aspects of the Greater Will to begin with.
I subscribe to this. Only problem is that there's suposed to be no civilization before the splitting of the One Great.
Unless maybe what was there before wasn't life, like the everlasting dragons or archtrees from before fire
I thought about it too but i'm confused to the fact ruah worships the crucible and it existed before the flood, unless ruah are just hornsent who came to inhabit the ruins of the ancient giants, and the crucible happened to be near it.
We know the ancient dragons protected their lord by becoming a wall of stone. I'm so excited for future videos
The marriage ritual atop the tower reminds me of the big snake from Sekiro's ritual. They offered up a bride in the tent where wolf stabs the serpent in the eye. Was Marika being offered up as a bride to that eiglay snake thing but she killed it and took the golden strands of life from its eye? And as Rykard-snake tells us "A serpent never dies"
He is back! And he got more discoveries! Praise be!
I've always been fascinated by the Flood myths, because you can find a Flood mentioned in most cultures in that general vicinity, and even a few further out. (I think there's actually a Taiwanese variant that refers back to Noah) Beyond Noah, I'm a Greek mythology buff, so I'm most familiar with Deucalion , but I vaguely know of myths from all around the Mediterranean
Even ancient China has a primordial flood myth. Although they don't just survive their flood; they TAME it. Check out Yu the Great.
As most of the major civilisations that we have inherited our written culture from were formed next to rivers that is no surprise. The Nile and Egyptian culture, Tigris & Euphrates city-states , Indus basin culture, and the river basin where Chines cultures flourished are responsible for this. It's amazing how integral their mythological/historical structures are to much of modern culture today.
This channel truly enthralls me and captures my attention like no other channel ever has. Incredible work as always TA.
I was hoping for a new video the moment this dropped. Fantastic work as always - absolutely fascinating
This series feels like a mix between elden ring lore and trey the explainer.
It's such delightful vibe. Intriguing, informative and relaxing.
Looking forward to the next one
I'm wondering if you or anyone else has covered the cliffside terrain of Mr Gelmir/Altus/Liurnia?
When I look at it I get the sense that it has been manipulated by gravity magic.
Especially given those spires around the Uhl Palace Ruins, which was likely mostly teleported underground.
each time I see or explore the inmediation of gelmir, including caria, give the sense that teluric activity has shake the region
in the 2010 earthquake, a whole city was moven a meter, similar case is the island of chiloe was risen other meter, same country.
when looking the road on gelmir is clear that mountain gelmir has being rising upward, gelmir is not only active, is moving/growing
The Mt. Gelmir map says that it underwent violent upheavals during the Shattering - apparently even the land buckled and broke. So it’s very plausible that Mt. Gelmir looks like that only now that the Shattering has shaken and broken it.
Yes! Perfect timing to take my mind off the inevitably approaching Monday morning.
I’ve been fascinated by this theory of yours since you first mentioned it in your Divine Towers video, glad to see my patience has been rewarded!
Wow, the consistent quality of these videos is amazing. Another straight banger
Couldn't wait to hear your take on this one. This is the most important channel for understanding elden ring lore.
You citing Irving Finkel is like when a musician you love features another artist you love 😍 Your analysis is incredible!!
I love that the best Elden Ring lore videos are not-so-secretly science communication videos. You do an amazing job of teaching people how real scientists learn about the real ancient world, while constantly making me go OHHHHHH about a game ive played hundreds of hours of
Tarnished Archaeologist is one of the best things to come out of this really terrible era of humanity that was so terrible it only could have created him. Truly, a diamond in the rough. This man is how you create golden angels from turds.
I think the Sun Realm Shield is an incredibly under appreciated lore item.
It reveals the possiblity of an ancient era where the Sun ruled as a god, specially since Sun worship was a very prevalent religion all around the world, including the Sumerians.
I think that the Fell God is related to this Sun god. This would explain the Fire Giant's forge was already built before this flood, and would mark the "Sun Realm" era as the one before the flood.
You are not wrong in facts the one eyed sun deity does appear in Mesopotamian mythology it's an evil goddess slain by ninurta Mesopotamian god of war,warriors, agriculture, harvest, hunting
I remember thinking these could have been ‘generation ships’ for the Numen. That they may have been star faring. At least that was before more evidence came about. This is a good conclusion as well.
The screw pumps in the forges could be the source of such a magma flood - at least that's how it tends to happen in dwarf fortress XD
Hah indeed. Someone back then probably just tried to make lava moat.
Since we only find them in forges, I believe they use lava as a heat source for forging. Since the Flames of Ruin belonged to the Fire Giants and are far away from the Land of Shadow, they use magma to mass produce weapons, armors and golems.
@@mmyr8ado.360 yes I wasn't being serious. The volcanos or a meteor are much more likely
As per your later comment, I'm in favor of the idea that the molten cataclysm was the apocalypse of the World Devouring Serpent of Gelmir, who is associated with magma. The Fire Giants were probably the survivors of the primeval titans, who in despair devoted themselves to a fell god that kept them alive (possibly via the knowledge of metal-smithing, using the magma to their advantage). The Elden Star that was fortold to Elden John (probably by Metyr, the first star to land) landed later, animating stone dragons from the magma and cooling the magma enough so that the land could be settled again.
I'm guessing part of the reason that the Greater Will sent another set of Finger envoys to Marika's village was because the tower folk of Enir-Ilim and the dragons had strayed from Elden John's tree prophecy and were digging up the Rauh ruins - basically digging up the "Nephilim".
The forges are weird. They don't natively have an access to above ground, they've all been dug into. So maybe they were there before the flood, but the architecture is Hornsent. Maybe Hornsent culture is much more ancient than I expected.
Our cups runneth over today! I've been anticipating a video along these lines for a long time, excited to watch!
Linking the theory to the putrescent knight human/animal design (with the animals by the grace before) definitely sold me on it.
Fantastic as always 👏
Thanks!
What do you mean I need to wait another month for a episode??
The best lore videos about elden ring no doubt, love it!!!
Replaying demon souls ds1-2-3 bloodborne & sekiro after beating elden ring & its Dlc left me with many epiphanies in the lore & am still constantly unearthing some unsettling revelations with the hindsight of elden ring & The shadow of the erd tree
Your work is very important. Super informative
Every single video of yours is an amazing experience.
The connections you make are always so good. Truly thought provoking and awe inspiring insight.
Wooooo new video lets go!
32:40 This MUST tie into the Nephilim mythology, i think we also have some babylonian or sumerian sources talking about rituals where gods would partake in the marital ritual, producing "2/3 god, 1/3 human" offspring, which perfectly ties into the nephilim stories in the biblical account, both the canonical and apocryphal ones.
the animals are sleeping in worship of St. Trina, but I never put together the ark connection before. super rad
Finding this channel is like digging up buried treasure. Using real life history and myth to help frame Fromsoft lore is two flavors of my interests I did not know I needed in one dish
Genuinely incredible, you are one of the few youtubers whose videos I refuse to do anything else while watching and just put all my focus on it.
My personal headcanon is that my ds3 character fled the old lands to escape the age of the deep sea. The old legends of the crucible where life all blended together came from the retellings of the dreg heap at the end of time.
Pure fantasy
I like your interpretation that the stones coffins only became stone coffins after the occupants were trapped inside. It makes way more sense that they were arks but that only a few survived the catechism.
Omfg, the ending of the video is just perfect. What a great parallel!
Brilliant as always! I swear, every video you post warrants a new playthrough of this brilliant game! The work you do does SO much to augment the pristine gameplay and sense of adventure that Elden Ring offers! Much love TA, been along for the ride since your first 500 subs or so! Keep it up and know your work is meaningful and deeply appreciated!!
Thanks for sticking along for this wild ride
You make the best elden ring content around, full stop. Love the channel.
You’re definitely onto something with the Dynasty being the precursor civilization to Enir-Ilim. In the gaols, specifically the one under Belurat, there’s a heavy presence of Dynasty-style architecture, albeit slightly more ornate in ornamentation.
It’s also curious that these gaols are where the Swordhands of Night are born. The atmospheric effects in the more expansive parts of the gaols are very reminiscent of the false Night we see in Nokstella, and although the game doesn’t have any built-in temperature gauge, these gaols are implied to be freezing cold, suggested by the presence of frozen maggots and frost coating various surfaces within.
On a side note, I think this seems to reinforce a connection between Ranni’s Dark Moon and the Black Moon of Nokstella.
never clicked so fast 🎉
Absolutely love the unique approach you bring to Elden Ring lore! The way you seamlessly draw parallels between real-world history, mythology, and the intricate world of Elden Ring is nothing short of brilliant. It’s fascinating to see how you theorize the inspirations behind the game’s narrative and world-building, bringing a whole new level of depth to the lore. Your research and storytelling add so much richness to the experience-truly elevating the appreciation of the game. I really appreciate you making these videos. They are truly inspiring.
The man, the myth, the legend has returned
Excellent content, as always. This truly is one of the best channels on TH-cam.
i believe some of the answers to the bull iconography can be found on Dark Souls 2. The iron king is represented as a bull, and Yui worked his ass off on that game, and there's so much of ds2 in elden ring (like with the emerald herald and her purple eye). Maybe the answer lies there, in the forgotten dark souls game
Iron King and his castle drowned in Lava, too. Sounds convincing
The important detail in the DLC, referencing the taurus vessels. are the golden sculptures in the Belurat, depicting the boats with the apparent oxen design being used in some sort of ceremonial procession, likely funerary ritual. Take a look at that please!
It was literally just yesterday that I thought"it's been awhile since the last TA video, I hope they release another one soon" and here we are!
TA, you are my favorite ER lore channel, and the use of Ezio's theme from Assassin's Creed always hits me right in the feels 😊
I haven't played elden ring in over a year, but I still never miss a TA vid
TA proves that these games are much more fun when you have knowledge about the real life history behind the game.
Hmmm what obvious thing I've missed all along about the map icons of the divine towers, at least. The melted rock is in a very distinct color from the actual tower as in to signify that are of separate origin and as you say, of separate eras.
This channel is still the best thing to happen to Elden Ring
Best Elden Ring loretuber alive today, truly an exceptional content creator!
Babe, new Tarnished Archaeologist just dropped!!
I just ordered dinner and was thinking "What am I going to do while I wait to pick up my calzone." Praise the Tree for TA!
Football can wait, Tarnished Archeologist just dropped.
Many Fromsoft theorists are so speculative that their content is more about their creativity than the story’s depth.
You base your theories in such concrete evidence that it’s not so much that I wonder and praise your findings,and more then I’m amazed, impressed, and more deeply intrigued by the story tellers at Fromsoft. And that’s the way strong analysis writhing should be. (Not that I’m not also very impressed by you, too!)
Well done!
Maybe I'm just too addicted to lore videos and let myself get muddled up. But whenever Tarnished Archaeologist comes along it feels like a big puzzle piece gets put into place on something that wasn't fitting together quite right.
Hey Tarnished Arch, another excellent video! I was thinking, maybe the great catastrophe was caused by the Titans, causing geological events, perhaps the emergence of Mount Gelmir (an active volcano) and ending the activities of Jagged Peak. It would be worth investigating
TA doesn't just cook, man runs a 5 start restaurant
Here is the problem with these videos: I keep going into them thinking that they have already hit bedrock on what the game has put out there, so I keep thinking the next video is going to be a rehash of the previous videos....but then every time they turn out to be incredible deep dives into similarities with our world's mythic past but with a twist. Remarkable.
Ive been checking the community channel weekly. Good to see this upload!
I'm a big fan if art in general.
Thanks for Tarnished archeologist for this series.
Each episode confirms to me what I felt intuitively from the release of the Elden Ring: it is one of the most complex and subtle epics of our time.
Thanks for unearthing so many of the game's strati!
Aaaah yes thanks for reminding me there are lore creators who don’t just spout any old theories off the top of their heads.😊
One thing I've been thinking about when re-exploring the base game areas is how it feels like some areas are "grafted" together. The Divine Bridge has a very strange and steep cut off with seemingly no rubble beneath it, and is pointedly not bridge like. Almost as if it was suddenly ripped away.
One could say for this episode, he was the tarnished “Ark”eologist 👀
9:05 " The Boulder will bury you in a ROCALANCHE!!!"
The GOAT is back. Love the amount of effort and detail you put into your videos.
I think i can see two possible events in two different eras: one submerged the titans, one the subsequient civilization that built the stuctures embedded in rocks (giant columns and coffins/arks), and those correspond to the arrive of the Elden Beast/Ring and Metyr, respectively...
You're the best for lore, thanks for all the videos.
Love it when my favourite history channel uploads
New TA videos always get me hyped
"But that, our friends, is a story for another day."
I miss The Storyteller. So tragic that he's gone.
Hey there again, I’m back with another Batshit insane theory.
So, the idea that I had is that, instead of a Golden Order servant, Elden John was an astrologer. He’s holding what seems to be the earliest known map of the Lands Between, and is seemingly the only person aware of what was presumably a cosmic danger. Additionally, I think we actually see him in game: he’s one of the Nokron giants. The titanic bodies all around the Lands Between are far, far larger than anything we see elsewhere, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re the final remains of the pre-flood civilization. Elden John, and the other Nokron bodies. might just be runts of the Litter. This would also suggest that the other bodies in Nokron were significant religious figures to the Numen. Depending on how long it took for the Molten Rock to cool, it’s likely that Elden John himself died during the journey, and was enshrined as sort of religious figure. As the story of Elden John fades into myth, his depiction begins to change with the times. He goes from a guiding astrologer to a symbol of the newly formed society of tree-worship, with only the Nox remembering and adhering to his love and the stars. This theory also has huge implications for Marika, suggesting that she’s FAR older than we initially thought.
Additionally, I find it more likely that the Impact responsible for the cataclysm was Metyr, instead of the Elden Beast. I find it to be far too early for the Elden Beast’s arrival, but that might just be me. Additionally, it could’ve been the only instance of direct influence by an Outer God in the known history of the game. It could even be a failed attempt at achieving the Frenzied Flame ending, really anything is possible in that regard.
Been waiting for a banger from Tarnished Archaeologist!
i love how im always so dubious at the beginning and by the end i believe everything you say
I was stuck to my screen the whole time, your content is nothing short of amazing.
Thank you so much for all the effort, I am dying for more.
Finally, the next chapter of the revelation has come!
Always looking forward to the next Tarnished Archaeologist video:)
You’ve got the best lore content since hawkshaw and vaatis old ds videos thank you
incredible work as always, no one does it like TA. super fascinating and satisfying answers to some things i wondered about
Yessssssss. Been eagerly anticipating this follow-up!
Really brilliant video here. Such great connections as usual.
it's amazing how much the game's lore is modeled on the myths and legends of our world
if it was once in a while, we could say that it's overinterpretation
but it happens so much all the time!
not to mention the fact that grr martin and hidetaka miyazaki are big fans of history
the story construction of this game is just crazy
The builder stratum structures look too small for the Titians, who were they for then?
Very insightful! I think the Dynast was a convert for the Scadu tree during the age of Placidusax. If the ancient dragons and titans shared a catastrophe, it would mirror the end of the dinosaurs.