Whenever the issues of extra-time and penalties come up in conversation, I find it important to remind ourselves just how much better they are than all the alternatives.
"Previous" alternatives* It's actually real simple to work out a better rule than penalties. It's just not in the plans of mafia organisations who are running football at the minute. But their time is running out...
@metro3313 I'm definitely not going to share such information on a random comment section online. Original ideas are extremely valuable. I'll name it, at the right time... it's all in the plan.
I feel like the silver goal could have benefited from better wording. Instead of trying to express it in the same way as the golden goal, just say that it splits extra time into two separate parts, and whoever leads at the end of one wins the match
@@SwanRonsonDonnyJepp but calling it silver goal focuses on the goal, not the extra time. What would it be called if a team won 2-0 in the first 15 minutes of extra time... Two Silver goals? It should just be that they won 2-0 after 1 period of extra time.
I always thought of the silver goal in the same way I think of Overtime in basketball. If the first Overtime ends in a draw(in this case the first 15 minutes of extra time), you go to double Overtime(the second half of extra time), but if you win in the first Overtime it's over.
@BaldandBeefy Not exactly - the game can only end in a touchdown. If one side gets the point in other ways like a field goal, the game will still continue until either other side scores a touchdown or the 15 minute period ends.
The failure of Golden Goal and Silver Goal proved that footballers and coaches are more afraid of losing than they are motivated to win. It's why they had to make wins worth 3 points.
One quirk of the silver goal is exactly what happened in that Greece goal. Had Greece scored their goal only a few minutes later, Czechia would still have the chance to equalize.
Make the penalty spot a yard or two farther away to bring the xG down from 0.78 to 0.5. This will eliminate goalkeepers guessing which way to dive thus reducing the luck element to shoot outs
College soccer in the U.S. still uses golden goal in overtime but only during conference championships and during the national tournament (among many other rule differences from FIFA-sanctioned leagues and tournaments). Normal games can end in draws still. Vermont just won their first ever national championship on a golden goal with the striker rounding the keeper and slotting it in. It was basically straight out of a movie
Adore your use of and talent with motion graphics!! Everything else brilliant as well - script, conciseness, educational quality, production value, etc
Brilliant work as usual, I almost forgot this rule hence I was still very young at that time. Besides the great content and fascinating MG animation, I really enjoy your commentary style and clear voice speech(English is not my first language) so it might make me hard to understand what they are talking about sometimes when I hear some commenter/TH-camr who speaks very fast or with a strong accent(no offence) Keep it up, you really deserve more subscribers!
Great video as usual. Learning new stuff too. Like it how it's not flashy but informative. Thanks. Keep them coming. If it is not a one man show I mean. If it is kudos to you. Take your time. Every video is great.
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Amazing video again as always Personally feel the extra time-penalty setup we have is good now. What needs to be looked at instead is improving other officiating technologies used (VAR I'm looking at you).
I came to the comments hoping to see further discussion of the silver goal, but instead, it is just people gushing over how well-made the video is; nice, I guess, but what about the topic of the video? Anyway, the interesting thing about sudden death is that it’s been a thing in American Football for years, and many fans have hated it for a while now because it means that the first team to get the ball often wins straight away. I think the penalty shoot-out is the thing that needs fixing. Do the thing they have in hockey and have them dribble the ball towards the goal from further back with about ten seconds to put it in the goal. It's much more chancy and exciting to watch.
field hockey now does a penalty shootout where you run from 20 metres and get eight seconds and i think its a pretty good compromise, about half go in/half are saved.
1:44 thought at first it was a joke or some kind of friendly game. After a little search, i think that tournament had the best sponsorship naming of all! (the Milk Cup is my favorite one)
I think the best way to decide a match after normal time would be to have the usual 30 minutes of added time but each team has to remove a player from the field of play then every 3 minutes, both teams have to remove another player, until you are left with just a 1v1 match for the last 3 minutes. If still no-one scores then penalties it is! It would be much more exciting and would open up plenty of tactical tweaks for managers to use during it.
Still remember this in Euro 2004 and after Postiga equalised and Campbell’s disallowed effort before the end of the 90. Can’t recall Much from 91-105 mins for a silver goal. Then the second half of extra time exploded with Rui Costa pushing Portugal into the lead- but not a golden goal allowing Thooper Fwank to equalise. And later ushering in another England penalty shootout loss
I remember the golden goal and quite liked it, but don't think I ever heard about silver goals and feel like it wasn't given a fair trial. It gave us the excitement of Greece winning a title, so might have made some other interesting results since then.😮
I’ve always thought that there should be the golden goal with a twist. In overtime the keeper can’t use his hands. This would make likelihood of scoring much higher. No more penalty kicks!
Here’s my idea for extra time. The first goal scored in extra time counts double, basically acting like an away goal used to work, so if the opposition then equalise they have to score another goal to win the game or the team that scored first win. Rather than golden or silver goals which potentially end the game early but mostly end up leading to more cautious play due to the greater jeopardy, this puts more emphasis and reward for going for the first goal but still gives the other team a chance of coming back, albeit with a big disadvantage. Might be crap but worth a go I think.
I've recently thought of an alternative overtime solution, can't imagine I'm the first one, but I haven't ever seen it being brought up. The idea is: in every play-off game teams start with a pre-match penalty shoot-out. Winning team now has an advantage in case of a draw, effectively half a goal. No overtime required. Disadvantage - you need to allocate additional time before the match, but the spectacle is there, spectators love penalty shoot-outs, although the stakes are lower in this case. I guess it might be ok as a sort of a warm-up. Advantages - penalty shoot-out does not decide the outcome of the match, just tips it in a favor of one team; but the biggest for me, at no point in the game both teams are satisfied with the outcome and willing to let time run (and in some play-off matches now it might be true for the most of all 120 minutes).
I get your idea, but the problem is that it's more than just a .5 goal advantage, it's essentially a full goal advantage, meaning that the team that wins the shootout is playing like they are a goal up from the very start, while the losing team is forced to chase the entire match.
They could probably try a half court 7s extra time and then a smaller court 5s extra time, each team gets 10 minutes defending and attacking or just outright punish parking the bus with an equivalent to the eight second violation in Basketball
Could you stagger penalties so it's less one sided (who goes first usually wins). So team A takes the first, team Btakes the 2nd and 3rd, A 4th and 5th, B 6th and 7th, A 8th and 9th, B 10th?
I still want back the golden goal The only good extra time I remember is the 2022 World Cup final, but apart from that nothing The golden goal has way more memorable moments
That Bierhoff goal at Euro 96 sucked all the possible excitement out of the game. Finished there and then due to a goalkeepeing howler too. Shame the Czechs got robbed by a golden and a silver goal. Shame they'll never get to that level 6:01 again.
My favorite format is the Oklahoma rule... if drawn at 90 minutes plus added time, teams immediately do penalties. Winner takes a one goal lead, then they play 30 minutes of extra time where the penalty loser can tie it up (and win).
The 30-minute extra time should be 9 on 9 for the first 15 minutes, then 7 on 7. After 120 minutes, silver goal rules apply with it being 5 on 5 and then 3 on 3 for 30 more minutes. After 150 minutes, an actual shootout more like the old NASL. Otherwise, a 30-minute silver goal extra time period followed by an untimed second golden goal period.
My classmates and I called it sudden death ☠️when we played football at school. Since we were always interrupted by the school bell, we had the rule of first goal wins
I feel like it's not actually as complicated as some people are making it seem. I'd explain the rule as "if a team is leading at the halfway point of extra time, they win"
The idea that the silver goal happening at the end of half time becoming a golden goal could have been prevented by giving extra 10min for the opposing team to react for a tie.
Statistical evidence doesn’t back the popular notion that golden goal encourages more defensive play in extra time. Teams just play defensively in extra time anyway. The 2002 World Cup saw five knockout games go to extra time and three were decided by a golden goal with just two shootouts. The first World Cup after golden and silver goal were scrapped 2006 saw six knockout games go to extra time and only two saw any scoring in extra time and four went to penalties despite the need for caution supposedly reduced.
Probably NFL has the weirdest implementation of this. I know it's a completely different sport but hear me out. Considering tie game is a bit more uncommon to come about, the NFL have 15-minute overtime (the word for extra time in American sports). The rules being used to decide the winner in NFL is basically a combination of both golden goal and silver goal. The overtime rule is that whoever of the two teams competing in the match scored a touchdown first the game ends immediately (which is already egregious considering who's going to attack first is decided by a coin flip), but if the attacking team failed to score a touchdown in their first drive and/or only managed to score a field goal, the other team will get the chance to attack. Only if the same thing happened to the other team on their first overtime drive, the game finally enters proper sudden death, whoever scored points first is the winner. If after 15-minute overtime has elapsed and both teams still cannot produce game-ending scores ONLY then the game is declared tie. (EDIT : the overtime duration is actually 10 minutes.)
I mean considering American sports use winning percentages instead of points tally (and the existence of playoff system), that is somewhat understandable. What's weird is that among the top 4 American sports, NFL specifically is the only league that allows a tie game. Hockey/NHL doesn't allow tie games anymore since 2005, baseball games have not been allowed to end in a tie since... ever as far as I'm concerned, basketball is basically the same, and even in collegiate level of American football doesn't allow ties.
@@DannyPlaysStuff baseball does actually allow ties, but they’re very rare because it’s generally only after rain in the 6th inning or later and when the completion of the game can’t be set to occur the same day as another game between the two teams. Last one was in 2016
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If I remember correctly, in Fifa games Golden Goal was actually Silver Goal, which I always knew, but it's just doesn't make sense to me why they call it that.
What about playing the extra times without the players with a yellow card. Or without a player for every 2 yellow cards. Idk, something like that, helping reduce unnecessary yellow cards, maybe?
ill say it, because nobodyelse will: extra time in knock-out tournaments that have home and away matches are redundant, if both teams couldnt score in 180 minutes they dont deserve 30 extra minutes, so go straight to Penalties thanks for coming to my TED-Talk
I don’t see why unpredictability is a problem, the existence of extra time makes the game unpredictable as well as stoppages and we don’t know how many penalties are going to be taken in total either
Why not make it that in extra time if the team with the ball doesn't engage the other team in an effort to score for 30 seconds to 1 minute then it results in a penalty and the other team gets a penalty kick, that way you have to try and if you don't the other team gets the chance to potentially score. No shootout after extra time.
How about instead of penalty kicks we throw players in quick 1v1+GK matches? You have to lose your opponent and score. You start somewhere in the middle of the field and have to make your way to the goal.
You play extra time to determine a winner after a draw in 90 minutes. How can it be an advantage of a system if someone scores in extra time for that the other team still has a chance to make it a draw?
Stepping on the line while throw-in is a forgotton rule and a bad one at that. Refs seem to remember it in the worst possible times. Whether its your team or the opponent, it always feels real unfair.
i wonder what would happen if football tried something like NHL hockey where they have a golden goal but also reduced the number of players in play, opening up more space for things to happen
Wouldn't work in football because the pitch is big and players would need to run more to cover all spaces, that after 90 minutes of football. Ice hockey has a much smaller pitch and unlimited substitutions
Take the penalties before the game for knockouts. That way, the entire game is played with one team having the incentive to attack as a draw won't be good enough for them. Knockout football in major championships has been pretty dull for a while, and extra time has largely been a snoozefest. Even if nobody agrees to do penalties at the start, ditch extra time and go straight to them.
Whether or no penalty shootouts are skill-based, it is a poor way to decide a football match as it does not resemble the game teams play for 120 minutes.
I don't understand why golden goal leads to defensive teams. If attacking decreases the chance of winning, why don't all knockout games ending in a 0-0 draw were nobody attacks at all?
@pkj2148 yes, but scoring a goal wins the game. I don't get how the strategy changes based on the next goal ends the game or not. Team adopts strategy A: Chance of scoring: 40% Chance of conceding: 30% Chance of neither: 30% Team changes strategy B during golden goal Chance of scoring: 30% Chance of conceding: 20% Chance of neither: 50% In this case, shouldn't they just adopt the goal strategy all the time?
@@pkj2148 I made those numbers up, what I mean by that is: Suppose your team have 2 possible strategies, each with a chance of conceding and scoring. The only difference of a golden goal to regular overtime is that you lose if you concede, but win if you score. But if the safer strategy is better, why use the normal strategy at all?
@@pedronunes3063 You can't make up numbers and then use that in your argument. I really don't get what you're trying to say. What is the safety strategy and what is the normal strategy?
Whenever the issues of extra-time and penalties come up in conversation, I find it important to remind ourselves just how much better they are than all the alternatives.
"Previous" alternatives*
It's actually real simple to work out a better rule than penalties. It's just not in the plans of mafia organisations who are running football at the minute. But their time is running out...
@@Gio10Per Then name a better alternative
@metro3313 I'm definitely not going to share such information on a random comment section online. Original ideas are extremely valuable.
I'll name it, at the right time... it's all in the plan.
@@Gio10Perkinda sounds like you don't have a clue what you're talking about mate
@@metro3313lmao, imagine being so delusional that you actually think your ideas for football extra time have any actual value whatsoever
i was there in the Greece v Czech Rep match in 2004, silver goal legit got the crowd confused
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love the quality mate, nice FM part too
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I feel like the silver goal could have benefited from better wording. Instead of trying to express it in the same way as the golden goal, just say that it splits extra time into two separate parts, and whoever leads at the end of one wins the match
Yeah it's really just two extra times instead of one
They did......Hence Silver goal 😂
Basketball extra time
Not to mention that silver goal makes it sound like a worse version of the golden goal. Almost like they didn't really try to market it properly.
@@SwanRonsonDonnyJepp but calling it silver goal focuses on the goal, not the extra time.
What would it be called if a team won 2-0 in the first 15 minutes of extra time... Two Silver goals? It should just be that they won 2-0 after 1 period of extra time.
The transition at 3:44 from a scale to the midfield of the pitch was so well thought of, props to the animator.
Cheers! Glad little moments like that are appreciated
I always thought of the silver goal in the same way I think of Overtime in basketball. If the first Overtime ends in a draw(in this case the first 15 minutes of extra time), you go to double Overtime(the second half of extra time), but if you win in the first Overtime it's over.
That makes sense
And NFL's overtime is like a hybrid of it. First team to score a touchdown in overtime wins the game.
@@mahiru20ten that's just golden goal
@BaldandBeefy Not exactly - the game can only end in a touchdown. If one side gets the point in other ways like a field goal, the game will still continue until either other side scores a touchdown or the 15 minute period ends.
@@mahiru20tenwho even plays it
I love this channel, the animation is amazing. As a fellow FM player, the 2D/Mobile esqe animation is amazing.
Yeah I really liked the 2d fm match engine animation too
Wow this channel is so underrated. What an absolute gold gem!
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The failure of Golden Goal and Silver Goal proved that footballers and coaches are more afraid of losing than they are motivated to win. It's why they had to make wins worth 3 points.
I suspect this channel will be huge soon. Keep up the work! The graphics are stellar.
Loved your «λεωφορείο». You're still a new creator but damn you're already in the GOAT conversation.
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This channel has very rapidly become one of my all-time favorite football channels on youtube. Keep up the excellent work, mate!
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One quirk of the silver goal is exactly what happened in that Greece goal. Had Greece scored their goal only a few minutes later, Czechia would still have the chance to equalize.
Congratulations to Greece for winning the Silver Goal Trophy… and Euro 2004.
Really appreciate the way of presentation especially with the little easter eggs
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Brilliant video, another fun and quakity video. This is what the great Tifo football used to be. Keep going mate
Thank you as always!
Nice mention of my club there. I think we were the first club to win a game using the golden goal rule
Very high quality!
These videos are so good man, keep it up
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Make the penalty spot a yard or two farther away to bring the xG down from 0.78 to 0.5. This will eliminate goalkeepers guessing which way to dive thus reducing the luck element to shoot outs
Yep. This I agree with.
College soccer in the U.S. still uses golden goal in overtime but only during conference championships and during the national tournament (among many other rule differences from FIFA-sanctioned leagues and tournaments). Normal games can end in draws still. Vermont just won their first ever national championship on a golden goal with the striker rounding the keeper and slotting it in. It was basically straight out of a movie
Amazing works as always, thank you for your very interesting and informative video on football history.
Glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully more of the same coming soon!
I always liked the sliver goal rule, it rewards the team the played better in the extra time earlier on
really love that fm thingy you did there, i do wonder how much pain did it take lol
I'd still love the MLS 1v1 as opposed to the penalty kick. Players would have to show far more composure and there'd be no silly stuttering.
It worked on early MLS because players were awful. Hardly a single top player on modern football would miss those shotouts.
Ultimately, even the MLS abandoned it, so I'm guessing it isn't the solution either.
@@Statsy10The main reason they abandoned it though was to get in line with international rules, not necessarily because they didn't like the rule.
It was also tied into their desire to not have draws during league matches feeling that Americans wouldn't accept them
Adore your use of and talent with motion graphics!! Everything else brilliant as well - script, conciseness, educational quality, production value, etc
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@@RouteNone of course!
Brilliant work as usual, I almost forgot this rule hence I was still very young at that time. Besides the great content and fascinating MG animation, I really enjoy your commentary style and clear voice speech(English is not my first language) so it might make me hard to understand what they are talking about sometimes when I hear some commenter/TH-camr who speaks very fast or with a strong accent(no offence) Keep it up, you really deserve more subscribers!
Great video as usual. Learning new stuff too. Like it how it's not flashy but informative. Thanks. Keep them coming. If it is not a one man show I mean. If it is kudos to you. Take your time. Every video is great.
Thank you very much for the positive feedback! The channel is a one man band for the moment, so I'm not able to produce content as fast as I would like (TH-cam is not my full time job), but hopefully more of the same coming soon!
Amazing video again as always Personally feel the extra time-penalty setup we have is good now. What needs to be looked at instead is improving other officiating technologies used (VAR I'm looking at you).
6:43 That's last quote about the Silver goal is so funny
I came to the comments hoping to see further discussion of the silver goal, but instead, it is just people gushing over how well-made the video is; nice, I guess, but what about the topic of the video?
Anyway, the interesting thing about sudden death is that it’s been a thing in American Football for years, and many fans have hated it for a while now because it means that the first team to get the ball often wins straight away.
I think the penalty shoot-out is the thing that needs fixing. Do the thing they have in hockey and have them dribble the ball towards the goal from further back with about ten seconds to put it in the goal. It's much more chancy and exciting to watch.
He mentions something similar at the end, the american 35 yard shootouts, those look fun
I want to know how you make these videos? Like I love the 30 frame animation, just makes it look so much nicer. Great video as per man 👏👏
field hockey now does a penalty shootout where you run from 20 metres and get eight seconds and i think its a pretty good compromise, about half go in/half are saved.
MLS introduced that in their penalty shootout
1:44 thought at first it was a joke or some kind of friendly game. After a little search, i think that tournament had the best sponsorship naming of all! (the Milk Cup is my favorite one)
Yes!! I was waiting for your next video
Nice and informative
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Man I love these videos, it's like washing Jon Bois/Alex Rubenstein for a sport I am trying to learn more about
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I think the best way to decide a match after normal time would be to have the usual 30 minutes of added time but each team has to remove a player from the field of play then every 3 minutes, both teams have to remove another player, until you are left with just a 1v1 match for the last 3 minutes. If still no-one scores then penalties it is!
It would be much more exciting and would open up plenty of tactical tweaks for managers to use during it.
Still remember this in Euro 2004 and after Postiga equalised and Campbell’s disallowed effort before the end of the 90. Can’t recall
Much from 91-105 mins for a silver goal. Then the second half of extra time exploded with Rui Costa pushing Portugal into the lead- but not a golden goal allowing Thooper Fwank to equalise. And later ushering in another England penalty shootout loss
I remember the golden goal and quite liked it, but don't think I ever heard about silver goals and feel like it wasn't given a fair trial. It gave us the excitement of Greece winning a title, so might have made some other interesting results since then.😮
Incredible content 👏👏
I’ve always thought that there should be the golden goal with a twist. In overtime the keeper can’t use his hands. This would make likelihood of scoring much higher. No more penalty kicks!
This would make both team's park the bus even more.
For me as a Czech that silver goal knockout still hurts
7:05 the heck is the lizard protocol???
look it up. lizard ppl control fifa
They don't want you to know
Ask Danica Patrick
I did not find anything on Google, so it is most likely a joke. It probably involves lizard people.
I hope this goes on to win the Ballon d'Or of football channels on TH-cam, quality content 💜🔥🔥
Cheers! I'm going to boycott it if I don't finish first.
Here’s my idea for extra time. The first goal scored in extra time counts double, basically acting like an away goal used to work, so if the opposition then equalise they have to score another goal to win the game or the team that scored first win. Rather than golden or silver goals which potentially end the game early but mostly end up leading to more cautious play due to the greater jeopardy, this puts more emphasis and reward for going for the first goal but still gives the other team a chance of coming back, albeit with a big disadvantage. Might be crap but worth a go I think.
You get it right in your last sentence, it is a horrible idea.
Love it! thanks for your hard work. Also gotta throw in Ilhan Mansiz v Senegal 2002 Golden Goal 😉
lol! you just mentioned it 👌
0:19 "The D-word"...? "Drama"? "Don't-let-matches-go-to-penalties"?
Probably "Draw"...
@@MasterTramsTH-cam lmao dunno how I didn't think of that
diddy
Draw i think
One change I would like to see in Extra time would be recurring subs meaning Subs made during normal time can play again in Extra time.
Quality vid mate.
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I've recently thought of an alternative overtime solution, can't imagine I'm the first one, but I haven't ever seen it being brought up.
The idea is: in every play-off game teams start with a pre-match penalty shoot-out. Winning team now has an advantage in case of a draw, effectively half a goal. No overtime required.
Disadvantage - you need to allocate additional time before the match, but the spectacle is there, spectators love penalty shoot-outs, although the stakes are lower in this case. I guess it might be ok as a sort of a warm-up.
Advantages - penalty shoot-out does not decide the outcome of the match, just tips it in a favor of one team; but the biggest for me, at no point in the game both teams are satisfied with the outcome and willing to let time run (and in some play-off matches now it might be true for the most of all 120 minutes).
I get your idea, but the problem is that it's more than just a .5 goal advantage, it's essentially a full goal advantage, meaning that the team that wins the shootout is playing like they are a goal up from the very start, while the losing team is forced to chase the entire match.
They could probably try a half court 7s extra time and then a smaller court 5s extra time, each team gets 10 minutes defending and attacking or just outright punish parking the bus with an equivalent to the eight second violation in Basketball
Could you stagger penalties so it's less one sided (who goes first usually wins). So team A takes the first, team Btakes the 2nd and 3rd, A 4th and 5th, B 6th and 7th, A 8th and 9th, B 10th?
I rally loved Golden Goal rule, the best celebration of my life was an Golden Goal celebration
Go straight to kicks. Thirty more minutes in a match is an invitation to players being injured.
I still want back the golden goal
The only good extra time I remember is the 2022 World Cup final, but apart from that nothing
The golden goal has way more memorable moments
great work!, have you made the outro music yourself? fits well
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4:55 We parked it and we won the Euro. Swallow it, whether you like it or not.
The silver goal... I think it had been used for 2 times.
6:42 is that a sneak peek for the next video?
Did this guy work for the Atlantic or something the video production is very familiar and great.
That Bierhoff goal at Euro 96 sucked all the possible excitement out of the game. Finished there and then due to a goalkeepeing howler too.
Shame the Czechs got robbed by a golden and a silver goal. Shame they'll never get to that level 6:01 again.
I've got an idea
Penalty shootout AT the start of extra time
The winner of the shootout gets an advantage if the match remains tied after extra time.
My favorite format is the Oklahoma rule... if drawn at 90 minutes plus added time, teams immediately do penalties. Winner takes a one goal lead, then they play 30 minutes of extra time where the penalty loser can tie it up (and win).
What happens when they tie up in the end of it?
The 30-minute extra time should be 9 on 9 for the first 15 minutes, then 7 on 7. After 120 minutes, silver goal rules apply with it being 5 on 5 and then 3 on 3 for 30 more minutes. After 150 minutes, an actual shootout more like the old NASL.
Otherwise, a 30-minute silver goal extra time period followed by an untimed second golden goal period.
My classmates and I called it sudden death ☠️when we played football at school. Since we were always interrupted by the school bell, we had the rule of first goal wins
I feel like it's not actually as complicated as some people are making it seem. I'd explain the rule as "if a team is leading at the halfway point of extra time, they win"
The idea that the silver goal happening at the end of half time becoming a golden goal could have been prevented by giving extra 10min for the opposing team to react for a tie.
I would like where did you find those musics where you use in your videos
Hi there, all the music in the videos on the channel are licensed from Soundstripe
@RouteNone Thanks mate, and also, you're doing a great job
Statistical evidence doesn’t back the popular notion that golden goal encourages more defensive play in extra time. Teams just play defensively in extra time anyway.
The 2002 World Cup saw five knockout games go to extra time and three were decided by a golden goal with just two shootouts.
The first World Cup after golden and silver goal were scrapped 2006 saw six knockout games go to extra time and only two saw any scoring in extra time and four went to penalties despite the need for caution supposedly reduced.
Probably NFL has the weirdest implementation of this. I know it's a completely different sport but hear me out.
Considering tie game is a bit more uncommon to come about, the NFL have 15-minute overtime (the word for extra time in American sports). The rules being used to decide the winner in NFL is basically a combination of both golden goal and silver goal.
The overtime rule is that whoever of the two teams competing in the match scored a touchdown first the game ends immediately (which is already egregious considering who's going to attack first is decided by a coin flip), but if the attacking team failed to score a touchdown in their first drive and/or only managed to score a field goal, the other team will get the chance to attack. Only if the same thing happened to the other team on their first overtime drive, the game finally enters proper sudden death, whoever scored points first is the winner.
If after 15-minute overtime has elapsed and both teams still cannot produce game-ending scores ONLY then the game is declared tie.
(EDIT : the overtime duration is actually 10 minutes.)
The weirdest thing for me in this is having any kind of extra time/overtime and then still having an option for the game to be tied anyways.
I mean considering American sports use winning percentages instead of points tally (and the existence of playoff system), that is somewhat understandable.
What's weird is that among the top 4 American sports, NFL specifically is the only league that allows a tie game. Hockey/NHL doesn't allow tie games anymore since 2005, baseball games have not been allowed to end in a tie since... ever as far as I'm concerned, basketball is basically the same, and even in collegiate level of American football doesn't allow ties.
@@DannyPlaysStuff baseball does actually allow ties, but they’re very rare because it’s generally only after rain in the 6th inning or later and when the completion of the game can’t be set to occur the same day as another game between the two teams. Last one was in 2016
Having mentioned penalties, remember ABBA shootouts from the late 2010s?
I do. I think they were kind of a good idea to be honest. The main or only argument against it was that it was a bit harder to understand.
Reminds me of the ABBA penalty’s, they came and went
Always love that Celtic are a core part of Silver Goal lore
I'm a new subscribe and i really love the video and the musics, can you say the muiscs that you use? Even in that Anfield video, the first one
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If I remember correctly, in Fifa games Golden Goal was actually Silver Goal, which I always knew, but it's just doesn't make sense to me why they call it that.
0:17 What D word? Am I out of touch?
A draw, truly the horror of every UEFA Official :o
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We in Czech will never forget the silver goal in EURO 2004 Vs Greece 😢
great reminder that if it isn't broken it doesn't need fixing
So the 1st major Golden Goal rule affected the Czechs and then they suffered with the last Silver Goal rule! Ouch!!!
What about playing the extra times without the players with a yellow card. Or without a player for every 2 yellow cards.
Idk, something like that, helping reduce unnecessary yellow cards, maybe?
ill say it, because nobodyelse will:
extra time in knock-out tournaments that have home and away matches are redundant, if both teams couldnt score in 180 minutes they dont deserve 30 extra minutes, so go straight to Penalties
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I don’t see why unpredictability is a problem, the existence of extra time makes the game unpredictable as well as stoppages and we don’t know how many penalties are going to be taken in total either
What would happen if the team leading in the silver goal system scored again?
Why not make it that in extra time if the team with the ball doesn't engage the other team in an effort to score for 30 seconds to 1 minute then it results in a penalty and the other team gets a penalty kick, that way you have to try and if you don't the other team gets the chance to potentially score. No shootout after extra time.
A David Icke reference! Bravo. 🤣
How about instead of penalty kicks we throw players in quick 1v1+GK matches? You have to lose your opponent and score. You start somewhere in the middle of the field and have to make your way to the goal.
Penalties are so good, i could do with binning extra time though
You play extra time to determine a winner after a draw in 90 minutes. How can it be an advantage of a system if someone scores in extra time for that the other team still has a chance to make it a draw?
Stepping on the line while throw-in is a forgotton rule and a bad one at that. Refs seem to remember it in the worst possible times. Whether its your team or the opponent, it always feels real unfair.
Same with all the banal penalty encroachment BS - so unevenly applied.
i wonder what would happen if football tried something like NHL hockey where they have a golden goal but also reduced the number of players in play, opening up more space for things to happen
Wouldn't work in football because the pitch is big and players would need to run more to cover all spaces, that after 90 minutes of football. Ice hockey has a much smaller pitch and unlimited substitutions
The way to fix golden goal would be to get rid of penalties. No time limit, play till someone scores. Just like on the Stanley cup playoffs.
Take the penalties before the game for knockouts. That way, the entire game is played with one team having the incentive to attack as a draw won't be good enough for them. Knockout football in major championships has been pretty dull for a while, and extra time has largely been a snoozefest. Even if nobody agrees to do penalties at the start, ditch extra time and go straight to them.
What we have to talk about is how long the goalies hold the ball. That’s what’s killing the game
Whether or no penalty shootouts are skill-based, it is a poor way to decide a football match as it does not resemble the game teams play for 120 minutes.
Golden Goals are great. Hated when they removed them
Why can’t there be a “shot clock”, say 10 minutes after a goal, and either the opposing team has to score or they lose.
I don't understand why golden goal leads to defensive teams. If attacking decreases the chance of winning, why don't all knockout games ending in a 0-0 draw were nobody attacks at all?
Because conceding a single goal ends the match. So they play defensively to reduce the chances of losing immediately.
@pkj2148 yes, but scoring a goal wins the game. I don't get how the strategy changes based on the next goal ends the game or not.
Team adopts strategy A:
Chance of scoring: 40%
Chance of conceding: 30%
Chance of neither: 30%
Team changes strategy B during golden goal
Chance of scoring: 30%
Chance of conceding: 20%
Chance of neither: 50%
In this case, shouldn't they just adopt the goal strategy all the time?
@@pedronunes3063 Where did you get these numbers from? Why do you think there are more chances of scoring than there are chances of conceding?
@@pkj2148 I made those numbers up, what I mean by that is:
Suppose your team have 2 possible strategies, each with a chance of conceding and scoring.
The only difference of a golden goal to regular overtime is that you lose if you concede, but win if you score. But if the safer strategy is better, why use the normal strategy at all?
@@pedronunes3063 You can't make up numbers and then use that in your argument. I really don't get what you're trying to say. What is the safety strategy and what is the normal strategy?