Josh, great post and discussion! I travel in the Bay Area 1-2 times per week. Anywhere from 60-150 miles. We have exact same issues finding an open charger! Same issues with hotels too. One thing you didn’t mention is cost for charging on the road. My 2024 Prime gets about 47 miles per charge. Basically equivalent of 1 gallon of gas in Hybrid mode +/- . Service charge can be $2 to plug in and then another 0.25-35cents/kwh. One can spend more on electricity than for a gallon of gas. My new game is finding no surcharge chargers lol! Time wasted looking is way more than a gallon too!
Yes!! You’re spot on here. I didn’t mention the cost to charge just because it varies so widely. Your rates in California, for example, are astronomical compared to ours and I didn’t want someone who may live in California to think that they’ll pay what we pay for electricity. We’re also very fortunate that one of our employers pays for a household membership to Chargepointe so as long as we’re within the city of Austin, any charging is free. Doesn’t extend to San Antonio, of course. But you’re right that if you go about charging the wrong way it can absolutely end up being more expensive than gas!
Cool video. Never thought about charging on the road. 41MPG is pretty amazing in real world driving. We have a 23 Rav4 hybrid and just bought a second 24 Rav4 Prime. They were both made in Japan. They are our 3rd and 4th hybrid. Love not getting 15 MPG like our 14 4Runner. We figured we could use the auto charging feature. As a trickle charge it would take forever. We will be getting a Trailhunter 4Runner once they have been out a while. Kinda tired of waiting though.
Keep in mind the 4Runner’s hybrid system isn’t designed for efficiency, it’s designed for power. You’ll see better highway mpg but fuel economy in the Land Cruiser I drove was about the same as my GX460, and the Land Cruiser requires premium fuel which may be the same for the 4Runner, we’ll have to see.
We have the Rav4 prime for fuel economy. We like the extra power on the new 4Runner along with the longer wheel base and weight. We tow a 4000 pound trailer with our current 4Runner. Hopefully, that will help. When not towing the hybrid powertrain will still get better than the 15 MPG we get now.
Love your channel, always so nice and informative. Keep up the great work Josh! You might have me considering a trade of my civic sport for a RAV4 prime
The RAV4 Prime is fantastic. But I honestly don’t know if it’s more than twice the price of a Civic Sport, plus whatever depreciation you’ll take on yours in selling it. As you may know we bought ours for $30K out the door after rebates and such, and I think for that it’s a great value, but today they’re closer to $50K out the door.
Haha thank you! All my leather goods are from Shinola. The only brand I’ll buy because they’re the best quality I’ve ever found-and this comes from someone who has a few things from Hermes, I still favor Shinola!
Josh, great video. My Wife’s new 2024 RAV4 Prime XSE supposedly has a total range that is almost 600 miles! The guys at Toyota Cedar Park indicated that highway driving gives about 105mpg. My assumption is that the car would use gas to accelerate till you get to highway speed, then it would use EV mode to maintain. So two questions: how are they getting the higher range on the 2024 compared to your 2021? Any comments on 2021 vs 2024 on highway efficiency? Thanks, Joe
This is a simple answer-don’t listen to what cedar park has to say. The sales team will tell you random things about their cars. When we bought our Prime they didn’t even know it was different than a standard hybrid. Granted it had just come out but still, I find their actual technical knowledge abysmal. To your question about powertrain behavior it’s all dependent upon what mode you’re driving in. In Auto EV/HV the car decides when to use the engine and when to run as an EV. In EV mode, it runs purely on electric range until you’ve depleted that range, and in hybrid mode it runs the car like a normal Rav hybrid, preserving your electric only range until you want to use it.
Fantastic real-world journey with the RAV4 Prime! I'll be directing people to this video instead of explaining the benefits of owning a PHEV myself. Also, if you find a charging station that seems sketchy or unsafe, you can always head to a gas station instead. Keep in mind that unlike with a gas nozzle, you can't drive off while the EV is plugged in, so it's best to choose a safe location. I'm not sure if the RAV4 Prime would start while plugged in, so better to be cautious.
GREAT Point about sketchy or unsafe chargers!! And no, it doesn’t let you start the car at all. It puts it in room mode if you try to start while plugged in. And in fact, it won’t even let you start the car if the charging door is left open even if the car isn’t plugged in.
Always a pleasure watching youre videos. Tho im not seeing myself owning a phev anytime soon,its definitely left me debating about it as a good 2nd car instead of going full ev.Keep em coming Josh🎉
Thank you! You can get it either directly from Lectron or on Amazon. Links here: Amazon: a.co/d/2XCGUGC Lectron: ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-tesla-to-j1772-adapter-max-48a-250v-for-tesla-high-powered-connectors-destination-chargers-and-mobile-connectors-black?variant=39707339063342&country=US¤cy=USD&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAACdqHaWcEcmH3_8NJW5XQwdjjFjz3&gclid=CjwKCAiAmfq6BhAsEiwAX1jsZ0NYWKO61K2xdlyxoREAesczK0mmo9oEKoSd8ShOXAFdEBVyQcQfdRoCSyIQAvD_BwE
In 2022, I really wanted a RAV4 Prime but they were almost impossible to get. I like the looks and especially the speed of the Prime version. It's only one second slower than the dual motor Model Y which I wound up getting . The range really suffers on the Model Y if you drive faster than 70.. In your state where the speed limit is 80, I'm sure the EV range is even worse. I'm now looking into getting the RAV4 Prime again when Toyota switches to the Tesla NACS in 2025.
Yup in 2022 anything with a battery was hard to get. 2020 was the time to get a hybrid or EV because nobody was thinking about them. I got my hybrid in 2020 with $5000 off msrp.
The Prime is great and they seem to be readily available now at least in my market. I also agree with @Francisco-po1cf; we bought our Prime when it first came out in 2021 when it was just starting to hit the market and there were still $10,000 of incentives on it. How times have changed. 😅
On my NX450h+ Charge Mode - my test was about driving 17.1km, I lost 27km on HV estimate and gained 6km of EV range. Another instance, driving 18.7km, lost 44km of HV and gained 11km of EV range. Definitely not the most efficient way to charge the battery.
There’s no signal, it’s just recommended to wait about 30 seconds. You’ll know it worked if you plug the Tesla charger into the adapter and it charges your car.
Thank goodness for HEVs and PHEVs. Full EV charging seems like a nightmare, I see many car manufacturers walking back their EV plans in favor of these and EREVs (extended range EVs) which are fancy series hybrids.
Yes! Until the prices come down and deprecation evens out and the infrastructure matures, EVs will be something for the wealthy or people who don’t care about spending money on an expensive thing to be first. They’re fantastic cars but I don’t think they can be a one car solution especially for someone who needs to be able to roadtrip on a tight time table.
Josh- I just bought the mini 3 gets here tomorrow. Going to be setting it up, Garmins tutorial makes it look super easy. Paid $150. Garmin released it on 9/7. Please don’t make me feel bad I didn’t get the 47 or 67, because it was a new release and it’s small and most of all i don’t need a screen. It comes with polirized lens already. Let’s see….
That’s great! Do let me know how you like it! I didn’t realize that they had a new one out-does it now have an internal battery? That’s been the deal breaker for me. But I hope you like it and let me know once you get it!
Oh that’s awesome!!! I may need to look into it then. I always loved the form factor of the mini so maybe I can actually make that work for me now. Thanks for sharing!
I was disappointed when you said that we cannot charge in hybrid mode; that was my plan for being able to save a lot in gas on local driving by using EV often
I mean absolutely no disrespect to you, but the underlying logic there doesn’t make sense because to charge the battery in hybrid mode, you’d be burning a lot of gas because you’d be running the engine as a generator. So you wouldn’t be saving anything on gas anyway, does that make sense? The rule for EVs and PHEVs is simple: DO NOT buy a plug-in if you can’t plug it in. You’ll save about $10K on the purchase price alone by buying a hybrid Rav and even still, you’ll get 37-40mpg.
Even you may be the worst youtuber… Just by watching your videos, you answered all my questions that I had on Rav4 plug-in.👍 Except in Canada we use KM and you guys, you use Miles…I need to use google to do the conversion 😊 Thank you Sir, your videos are always very helpful…
Yes! It’s mentioned at the end of the video, which I know is long, but you can skip to the second to last chapter if you want to hear more about it. :)
Hi Josh. So how in the world isn't this engine/powertrain (or something similar) in a Tacoma or 4Runner? These, and many other vehicles are used for "over landing" and at 450 mile range you would have no worries. With these new Tacomas, LC 250's and Lexus 550's, everyone is complaining about the small fuel tanks and crap range. Seems the car manufactures are missing the boat on putting something like this in vehicles for the "over landing" crowd. Am I missing something? Full charge to get to where you want, then gas to explore and get back.
Hello! That’s basically what the Wrangler 4xe and Grand Cherokee 4xe are, and I see a ton of them on the road. So I’m with you, I’m honestly surprised Toyota hasn’t tried it yet. Although, knowing them, if they put a PHEV powertrain into any of the truck it would be $10-15K more than it is now. 🙄 So $80K Tacoma LOL. That said, in Toyota’s case, all the trucks use the iForce Max hybrid system with the turbo and automatic transmission versus the plug ins which use the standard hybrid system without a turbo and the planetary style power split transmission.
@joshjamescars What I mean is that you went from 3/4 to 1/4 on the fuel gauge, so you figured you used half a tank, or about 6 gallons. But the car says it travelled 313 miles at 41.7 mpg. Divide them and that works out to 7.5 gallons of gas. I assume 41.7 mpg counts the miles done in EV.
Not exactly. The mpg figure you see on the display at any point in this video is for that trip from when I turned the car on to when I turned it off, because with the Prime it’s impossible to boil it down to a single number (trips done entirely on EV range are calculated in miles per kilowatt hour since there is no gas being used there at all). For example, during a time of year when I’m doing entirely city driving I could literally do 2,000 miles on a single tank of gas and so my per tank MPG would probably be like 100+mpg but that wouldn’t be “accurate”
So I'm back and let's start the rant: That exchange with the valets will piss me off, cause gurl, why you fighting... why you struggling to understand what an adaptor is. But is not their fault, I blame their manager that didn't provide the proper info how to charge non Teslas cars. A pro active CS should ask you right way if you have an adaptor since their universal charger is not working at moment. The hotel should repair those charging stations soon they knew that they are not working....
Totally agree with all of this. This is the state of the world in terms of the average person out there knowing about EVs and such. And I agree at fixing chargers, but broken chargers are such a common thing it’s almost like a 50% chance when you pull up to one that it’ll be out of order.
@@joshjamescars but you stayed in a hotel, they should have all the stations working properly, since Ev it's here to stay. Next time you need to ask them if the stations are working to avoid surprises
Same experience with my Mitsubishi PHEV - Cannot find a charger that works and the charge times were a nightmare. Thank you for the real World insight. EVs the real World Joke.... Long live the hybrid.
My PHEV was the first generation model did have the DC fast charge - but I couldn't find a DC fast charger available whenever I was out in So Cal! Good job going with the RAV4 Prime - Makes the most sense!
EVs are perfect for commuting to work and around town if you have a dedicated place to charge them like a garage or driveway. You’d save money even if you rent a vehicle for road trips.
@Francisco-po1cf I agree that EVs can be good for city driving but “saving money” depends on how much you buy an EV for and how much it depreciates over your ownership term. If you lease a cheap Kona EV or something for $199/month then yes but buying a tesla or BZ4X that depreciates 50% in 3 years doesn’t save you any money versus a Rav4 Prime or hybrid that doesn’t depreciate nearly as much.
@@PaulYuan-u1gtoday would you rather buy the rav 4 prime instead of the outlander ? I’m thinking between both. Like the quality of the Mitsubishi seems much higher end than rav 4.
Where I live it’s completely impossible to purchase a RAV4 Prime off the lot. I have to order one and wait 2 years to get it. You are so lucky to have that vehicle. 😊 And you are lucky to get gas so cheap…in Canada we pay the equivalent of almost $6 a gallon
It’s crazy to me that Canada still has such inventory shortages-Rav4 Primes can be found on the lot nowadays here in the US, or Texas at least. I think everyone who wanted one got one, and it’s too expensive for others.
@@joshjamescarsI was at a dealer in BC today that has a 2024 a prime xse in stock. I waited 8 months for mine but I don’t think they are as hard to get anymore.
I think the smart consumer is paying attention to EVs today even if they don’t own one yet, because they know it’s where everything is going in the future.
Josh, great post and discussion! I travel in the Bay Area 1-2 times per week. Anywhere from 60-150 miles. We have exact same issues finding an open charger! Same issues with hotels too.
One thing you didn’t mention is cost for charging on the road. My 2024 Prime gets about 47 miles per charge. Basically equivalent of 1 gallon of gas in Hybrid mode +/- .
Service charge can be $2 to plug in and then another 0.25-35cents/kwh. One can spend more on electricity than for a gallon of gas.
My new game is finding no surcharge chargers lol! Time wasted looking is way more than a gallon too!
Yes!! You’re spot on here. I didn’t mention the cost to charge just because it varies so widely. Your rates in California, for example, are astronomical compared to ours and I didn’t want someone who may live in California to think that they’ll pay what we pay for electricity. We’re also very fortunate that one of our employers pays for a household membership to Chargepointe so as long as we’re within the city of Austin, any charging is free. Doesn’t extend to San Antonio, of course. But you’re right that if you go about charging the wrong way it can absolutely end up being more expensive than gas!
@@joshjamescars Thanks. In a small way I can justify cost being worth it because EV mode is so nice. An infrequent splurge so to speak.
Cool video. Never thought about charging on the road. 41MPG is pretty amazing in real world driving. We have a 23 Rav4 hybrid and just bought a second 24 Rav4 Prime. They were both made in Japan. They are our 3rd and 4th hybrid. Love not getting 15 MPG like our 14 4Runner. We figured we could use the auto charging feature. As a trickle charge it would take forever. We will be getting a Trailhunter 4Runner once they have been out a while. Kinda tired of waiting though.
Keep in mind the 4Runner’s hybrid system isn’t designed for efficiency, it’s designed for power. You’ll see better highway mpg but fuel economy in the Land Cruiser I drove was about the same as my GX460, and the Land Cruiser requires premium fuel which may be the same for the 4Runner, we’ll have to see.
We have the Rav4 prime for fuel economy. We like the extra power on the new 4Runner along with the longer wheel base and weight. We tow a 4000 pound trailer with our current 4Runner. Hopefully, that will help. When not towing the hybrid powertrain will still get better than the 15 MPG we get now.
Love your channel, always so nice and informative. Keep up the great work Josh! You might have me considering a trade of my civic sport for a RAV4 prime
The RAV4 Prime is fantastic. But I honestly don’t know if it’s more than twice the price of a Civic Sport, plus whatever depreciation you’ll take on yours in selling it. As you may know we bought ours for $30K out the door after rebates and such, and I think for that it’s a great value, but today they’re closer to $50K out the door.
Josh- another great video. Keep up the great work.
So nice to see gas price below $3. Great video! I finally understand how plugin works.
Rarely does it go above $3 here! Premium never is above $4 either, hence my being able to afford to run a GX460. 😂
It’s amazing! It’s only costing me $26 for a week of driving my Camry Hybrid.
Can we talk abt that nice bag that was on top of the table... that's a cute leather bag
Haha thank you! All my leather goods are from Shinola. The only brand I’ll buy because they’re the best quality I’ve ever found-and this comes from someone who has a few things from Hermes, I still favor Shinola!
@@joshjamescars 🗣️he bougie y'all
Josh, great video. My Wife’s new 2024 RAV4 Prime XSE supposedly has a total range that is almost 600 miles! The guys at Toyota Cedar Park indicated that highway driving gives about 105mpg. My assumption is that the car would use gas to accelerate till you get to highway speed, then it would use EV mode to maintain. So two questions: how are they getting the higher range on the 2024 compared to your 2021? Any comments on 2021 vs 2024 on highway efficiency? Thanks, Joe
This is a simple answer-don’t listen to what cedar park has to say. The sales team will tell you random things about their cars. When we bought our Prime they didn’t even know it was different than a standard hybrid. Granted it had just come out but still, I find their actual technical knowledge abysmal.
To your question about powertrain behavior it’s all dependent upon what mode you’re driving in. In Auto EV/HV the car decides when to use the engine and when to run as an EV. In EV mode, it runs purely on electric range until you’ve depleted that range, and in hybrid mode it runs the car like a normal Rav hybrid, preserving your electric only range until you want to use it.
Fantastic real-world journey with the RAV4 Prime! I'll be directing people to this video instead of explaining the benefits of owning a PHEV myself. Also, if you find a charging station that seems sketchy or unsafe, you can always head to a gas station instead. Keep in mind that unlike with a gas nozzle, you can't drive off while the EV is plugged in, so it's best to choose a safe location. I'm not sure if the RAV4 Prime would start while plugged in, so better to be cautious.
GREAT Point about sketchy or unsafe chargers!! And no, it doesn’t let you start the car at all. It puts it in room mode if you try to start while plugged in. And in fact, it won’t even let you start the car if the charging door is left open even if the car isn’t plugged in.
Always a pleasure watching youre videos. Tho im not seeing myself owning a phev anytime soon,its definitely left me debating about it as a good 2nd car instead of going full ev.Keep em coming Josh🎉
Yes! PHEVs are a good alternative to EVs at least for the current state of the world.
love your channel josh! really glad i listened to your opinions before buying a full EV. would love to see a tesla review from you
Thank you! And yeah, I really need to get around to that one of these days.
Great video! How do I get one of those adapters?
Thank you! You can get it either directly from Lectron or on Amazon. Links here:
Amazon: a.co/d/2XCGUGC
Lectron: ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-tesla-to-j1772-adapter-max-48a-250v-for-tesla-high-powered-connectors-destination-chargers-and-mobile-connectors-black?variant=39707339063342&country=US¤cy=USD&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAACdqHaWcEcmH3_8NJW5XQwdjjFjz3&gclid=CjwKCAiAmfq6BhAsEiwAX1jsZ0NYWKO61K2xdlyxoREAesczK0mmo9oEKoSd8ShOXAFdEBVyQcQfdRoCSyIQAvD_BwE
In 2022, I really wanted a RAV4 Prime but they were almost impossible to get. I like the looks and especially the speed of the Prime version. It's only one second slower than the dual motor Model Y which I wound up getting . The range really suffers on the Model Y if you drive faster than 70.. In your state where the speed limit is 80, I'm sure the EV range is even worse. I'm now looking into getting the RAV4 Prime again when Toyota switches to the Tesla NACS in 2025.
Yup in 2022 anything with a battery was hard to get. 2020 was the time to get a hybrid or EV because nobody was thinking about them. I got my hybrid in 2020 with $5000 off msrp.
The Prime is great and they seem to be readily available now at least in my market. I also agree with @Francisco-po1cf; we bought our Prime when it first came out in 2021 when it was just starting to hit the market and there were still $10,000 of incentives on it. How times have changed. 😅
On my NX450h+ Charge Mode - my test was about driving 17.1km, I lost 27km on HV estimate and gained 6km of EV range. Another instance, driving 18.7km, lost 44km of HV and gained 11km of EV range. Definitely not the most efficient way to charge the battery.
Yes!! This has been my experience too, so I’m glad to hear you experienced the same.
how do you know when the adapter has completed its "handshake" with the Tesla charging cable?
There’s no signal, it’s just recommended to wait about 30 seconds. You’ll know it worked if you plug the Tesla charger into the adapter and it charges your car.
Thank goodness for HEVs and PHEVs. Full EV charging seems like a nightmare, I see many car manufacturers walking back their EV plans in favor of these and EREVs (extended range EVs) which are fancy series hybrids.
Yes! Until the prices come down and deprecation evens out and the infrastructure matures, EVs will be something for the wealthy or people who don’t care about spending money on an expensive thing to be first. They’re fantastic cars but I don’t think they can be a one car solution especially for someone who needs to be able to roadtrip on a tight time table.
Josh- I just bought the mini 3 gets here tomorrow. Going to be setting it up, Garmins tutorial makes it look super easy. Paid $150. Garmin released it on 9/7. Please don’t make me feel bad I didn’t get the 47 or 67, because it was a new release and it’s small and most of all i don’t need a screen. It comes with polirized lens already. Let’s see….
That’s great! Do let me know how you like it! I didn’t realize that they had a new one out-does it now have an internal battery? That’s been the deal breaker for me. But I hope you like it and let me know once you get it!
@@joshjamescarsno; uses supercapacitor. I’m going to be honest and give my feedback after using a couple of days on the highway
Oh that’s awesome!!! I may need to look into it then. I always loved the form factor of the mini so maybe I can actually make that work for me now. Thanks for sharing!
I was disappointed when you said that we cannot charge in hybrid mode; that was my plan for being able to save a lot in gas on local driving by using EV often
I mean absolutely no disrespect to you, but the underlying logic there doesn’t make sense because to charge the battery in hybrid mode, you’d be burning a lot of gas because you’d be running the engine as a generator. So you wouldn’t be saving anything on gas anyway, does that make sense? The rule for EVs and PHEVs is simple: DO NOT buy a plug-in if you can’t plug it in. You’ll save about $10K on the purchase price alone by buying a hybrid Rav and even still, you’ll get 37-40mpg.
Even you may be the worst youtuber… Just by watching your videos, you answered all my questions that I had on Rav4 plug-in.👍
Except in Canada we use KM and you guys, you use Miles…I need to use google to do the conversion 😊
Thank you Sir, your videos are always very helpful…
Haha! So glad this was helpful and that you enjoyed! In Canada you all have a number of good incentives available on the Rav4 Prime too!
Hi Josh. I’m waiting for my new RAV4 Prime to come in within the next 6 weeks. I just wonder if you have used the recharge feature while driving.
Yes! It’s mentioned at the end of the video, which I know is long, but you can skip to the second to last chapter if you want to hear more about it. :)
Hi Josh. So how in the world isn't this engine/powertrain (or something similar) in a Tacoma or 4Runner? These, and many other vehicles are used for "over landing" and at 450 mile range you would have no worries. With these new Tacomas, LC 250's and Lexus 550's, everyone is complaining about the small fuel tanks and crap range. Seems the car manufactures are missing the boat on putting something like this in vehicles for the "over landing" crowd. Am I missing something? Full charge to get to where you want, then gas to explore and get back.
Hello! That’s basically what the Wrangler 4xe and Grand Cherokee 4xe are, and I see a ton of them on the road. So I’m with you, I’m honestly surprised Toyota hasn’t tried it yet. Although, knowing them, if they put a PHEV powertrain into any of the truck it would be $10-15K more than it is now. 🙄 So $80K Tacoma LOL. That said, in Toyota’s case, all the trucks use the iForce Max hybrid system with the turbo and automatic transmission versus the plug ins which use the standard hybrid system without a turbo and the planetary style power split transmission.
@@joshjamescars True! Great stuff Josh!
313 miles at 41.7 mpg is 7.5 gallons.
Gauges aren't really linear.
Keep in mind not all of the total mileage was done using the gas engine. I’d guess about ~65-75 miles were done on EV-only range.
@joshjamescars
What I mean is that you went from 3/4 to 1/4 on the fuel gauge, so you figured you used half a tank, or about 6 gallons. But the car says it travelled 313 miles at 41.7 mpg. Divide them and that works out to 7.5 gallons of gas.
I assume 41.7 mpg counts the miles done in EV.
Not exactly. The mpg figure you see on the display at any point in this video is for that trip from when I turned the car on to when I turned it off, because with the Prime it’s impossible to boil it down to a single number (trips done entirely on EV range are calculated in miles per kilowatt hour since there is no gas being used there at all). For example, during a time of year when I’m doing entirely city driving I could literally do 2,000 miles on a single tank of gas and so my per tank MPG would probably be like 100+mpg but that wouldn’t be “accurate”
30 min wait before you can charge with the adapter?😮
No, 30-second. I misspoke there.
@@joshjamescars Josh, please go back and add a note on the video that you meant 30 seconds. Some will not see the comments
@nancyc1196 there’s a caption in the video on screen.
So I'm back and let's start the rant:
That exchange with the valets will piss me off, cause gurl, why you fighting... why you struggling to understand what an adaptor is. But is not their fault, I blame their manager that didn't provide the proper info how to charge non Teslas cars.
A pro active CS should ask you right way if you have an adaptor since their universal charger is not working at moment. The hotel should repair those charging stations soon they knew that they are not working....
Totally agree with all of this. This is the state of the world in terms of the average person out there knowing about EVs and such. And I agree at fixing chargers, but broken chargers are such a common thing it’s almost like a 50% chance when you pull up to one that it’ll be out of order.
@@joshjamescars but you stayed in a hotel, they should have all the stations working properly, since Ev it's here to stay. Next time you need to ask them if the stations are working to avoid surprises
Same experience with my Mitsubishi PHEV - Cannot find a charger that works and the charge times were a nightmare. Thank you for the real World insight. EVs the real World Joke.... Long live the hybrid.
Your Mitsubishi (assuming it’s the new Outlander) can DC fast charge, though, which is a big upside that it has over my Rav4 Prime.
My PHEV was the first generation model did have the DC fast charge - but I couldn't find a DC fast charger available whenever I was out in So Cal! Good job going with the RAV4 Prime - Makes the most sense!
EVs are perfect for commuting to work and around town if you have a dedicated place to charge them like a garage or driveway. You’d save money even if you rent a vehicle for road trips.
@Francisco-po1cf I agree that EVs can be good for city driving but “saving money” depends on how much you buy an EV for and how much it depreciates over your ownership term. If you lease a cheap Kona EV or something for $199/month then yes but buying a tesla or BZ4X that depreciates 50% in 3 years doesn’t save you any money versus a Rav4 Prime or hybrid that doesn’t depreciate nearly as much.
@@PaulYuan-u1gtoday would you rather buy the rav 4 prime instead of the outlander ? I’m thinking between both. Like the quality of the Mitsubishi seems much higher end than rav 4.
You guyzzzzz, what is the 411? What is everyone upp to?
You girlz keep me so young, uhh I love you so much.
HAHAHA. The sad part is that anyone who understands that (me) is now as old as Amy Poehler was in that movie!!!!!
@@joshjamescars 😆
Wait 30 minutes ?! 😳 I’m getting a truck instead .
No, see the note on screen I misspoke you have to wait 30 seconds.
Where I live it’s completely impossible to purchase a RAV4 Prime off the lot. I have to order one and wait 2 years to get it. You are so lucky to have that vehicle. 😊
And you are lucky to get gas so cheap…in Canada we pay the equivalent of almost $6 a gallon
It’s crazy to me that Canada still has such inventory shortages-Rav4 Primes can be found on the lot nowadays here in the US, or Texas at least. I think everyone who wanted one got one, and it’s too expensive for others.
@@joshjamescarsI was at a dealer in BC today that has a 2024 a prime xse in stock. I waited 8 months for mine but I don’t think they are as hard to get anymore.
No one cares about EVs except for a small number of clueless ecoWarriors
I think the smart consumer is paying attention to EVs today even if they don’t own one yet, because they know it’s where everything is going in the future.
Even if we leave out the eco aspect, only EV enables you to drive on (free) solar energy.
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