COMPARING SAYINTENTIONS VS BEYONDATC (AI VOICE ATC) - MSFS
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I tested Say Intentions for a short VFR flight and I was pleasantly surprised that it recognized my call to center that "I'll be off frequency to pick up the Flagstaff ATIS". It's response was "Roger. Report back on frequency." Or words to that effect. Impressive. I am not too concerned with Beyond ATC's requirement for a more rigid sentence structure, as proper phraseology is supposed to be a thing in aviation, but it's ability to recognize the phraseology involved with unusual circrumstances might be a concern. At this point, the pricing structure has me favoring Beyond ATC, as I simply do not use the ATC functions enough to justify the steep pricing of Say Intentions. I fly for a living, so most of the time when I get into the sim, I just want to fly around unmolested by ATC and enjoy the scenery!! 😂
Well done video, Lexsteryo! Really clears up a lot of the misinformation out there about the differences between these two products! I really have been enjoying the dynamic aspects of Say Intentions and the rapid development that they are doing that’s turned SI from a VFR-US Only product to a worldwide VFR and IFR game changer!
Good analysis! I'm using SayIntentions, and just like you I find that the AI controllers understand all kinds of things I say, for example if I ask for a routing change, or if I tell them that I'm still on an extended downwind, etc.
Sayintentions is definitely better if you look just on the technology but the price is a killer. Beyondatc is much much more affordable
Yeah the reason BayondATC is cheaper is they're only generating the voices, the actual ATC responses are still scripted.
With SayIntentions, everything is AI generated which is way more expensive to do.
@@Tuskin38I know that sayintentions is more lively in its responses, but 30 dollars a month is too expensive, if price drops to 10 dollars and less than sure it will be indeed fair to consider. But sayintentions is literally 10 times more expensive, which I don’t think is sufficient for most people. I saw what beyondatc is capable of and I’m more than impressed for what it offers for the price
Well.. pilotedge, solution used by real pilots and ATC to keep proficiency, costs 20 USD a month, only for California (add 10 USD more if you want the extension in other US states).. and only during the us time .
This technology allows you to fly VFR, IFR with real airspaces data, everywhere in the world and 24/7...
@@davidweisbrod5771 Both products let you do that.
You guys do know that if you are going to buy Beyond ATC and want premium voices you are going to spend way more than $30 if you fly frequently during that month. Say intentions is unlimited flights. I think BATC has missed the boat, they thought they were the only ones in the game and took there sweet time with the software. They have no traffic on release and no VFR flight following. I have been a subscriber to SayIntentions for past 2 months. It needs work and is in beta but it’s improving each day. It’s just another level to scripted responses by BATC.
At the moment I have to go with the only one available to me. That's SayIntentions,.
Although expensive, the level of immersion is huge. And worth it.
The necessity to listen out for your call sign, and to input frequencies in your own radios, is just like real life!
Although it is not finished, one of the things I hope will be perfectly working in the ai traffic. As far as I know Beyond ATC will use its "own " AI traffic what hopely will led to a more realistic ground handling of all the traffic
Nice. BeyondATC started to respond faster than before.
I just did an ifr flight from KDEN to KJAC and I understand that ifr approaches are still a work in progress but was disappointed in how early it told me to descend into mountains and then it vectored me into more mountains so I gave up and lined myself up on the ILS approach….with say intentions AI
That’s the kind of situations I have been dealing with. I subscribed for a month, so far I was able to complete 1 flight. Or sometimes I will start a flight and once at cruise altitude a freaking controller intercepts me and say that I am squawking wrong! And when I squawk the number they request, I am completely left alone, my flight is no more coordinating with my initial flight.
@@Ipb79 it’s very exciting of what this will become but still work to do. Early access though so to be expected.
$30 a month for SayIntentions! No way! Going with BeyondATC just because of this alone
in one batc video a youtuber said to atc that he spotted bird activity and the controller responded thank for info and broadcasted to all aircrafts bird activity in the area . so i dont think so it is only programmed this is something an AI could do only.
There is no AI in BATC in regards to responses. BATC are scripted responses and developers just add responses into the software.
Nope that can easily be handled via programmatic logic! Plus the developer of BATC has publically stated that his product does not use AI for ATC logic!
@@Mrv1960 you are wrong about completely scripted respond it Ulysses it’s 3d engine to look at the surrounding it was was a dev video when he showed off announcing the presence of the bird
@@agenttechstreams3891 Nope there is NO Ai on responses ask your Captain. Try SayIntentions trial ask ATC something unusual and listen to its response to you. Now say the same thing to BATC come back here and tell me their responses. BATC is scripted and only will respond if the developers have programmed that response in their software.
It might have been scripted for that video.
How am I only just now learning Say Intentions is already available in Beta?
As for Beyond ATC, it should release very soon. Maybe even as soon as this month, if their Discord is any indication.
Thanks for a great video that really sets out the differences. I had been leaning towards Beyond ATC but I must say the realism of the interactions with SI is VERY impressive. However, as others have said on here, their price is a killer. I flight sim a lot but it’s just too much. Simple as. Also, there’s the traffic control side of Beyond ATC, that could be very interesting. UPSUM: I’m desperate for better ATC but I will not be an early purchaser of either. I want to see where this goes….
Just FYI, SayIntentions is also doing traffic control injection!
@@SayIntentionsAI That is good. I think you should probably make more of that because I’m pretty clued in on simming but I didn’t know that. I am impressed by your product esp. now you seem to have taken it up to IFR rules. Your price is a BIG issue though - and I have spent a lot on simming.
I've been hugely enjoying SayIntentions - it takes immersion to the next level, and I've heard other players on the same channels, which is wonderful. At the moment I have to take its instructions with a little pinch of salt however.
The lack of reliable instructions is the main dealbreaker for me, right now. Mimicking human-like conversations is what current AI Language Models were built for, so it's no surprise that SayIntentions excels at that: It's pretty much a standard feature of any LLM.
However, my main requirement for any ATC simulation would be that it's capable of actually controlling the traffic and giving correct instructions, using proper procedures and phraseology. It's cool, if I can also ask the controller what they had for dinner last night, but first and foremost I want them to be good at their actual job.
From what I've seen of SayIntentions, it's not there yet. I know the developers are very active and highly responsive, and it seems they're dedicated to making this product the best it can be. So, maybe those issues will be a thing of the past soon, but as of now, it simply doesn't look like something I'd want to spend $30/month on. (And yes, I know that the price point is necessary to cover the cost of the AI processing and that the developers said that it's currently not even profitable - doesn't change the fact that the product isn't worth that much to me personally in its current state.)
As for BeyondATC: I haven't yet formed an opinion about it one way or the other. I'm sure there'll be plenty of head-to-head comparisons once BATC gets a public release, and I'm curious about them.
@@berlinflight_tv I agree. I don't know how difficult it is to get LLMs to stick to hard and fast rules and logic, if it's even possible at all, but we definitely need it.
It's quite funny that they have programmed the radio chatter to sometimes say 'Requesting departure for domestic chemtrail ops'!
@@berlinflight_tv I am only just hearing about this and that is a shame. Actually I'd be happy with a MSFS style ATC if it just worked (the voices and ability to process my own voice are nice to have for immersion). I've just started doing IFR flights and the amount of time I've been told to expect vectors then not get them in MSFS has made me very excited about products like sayintentions and BeyondATC, but in either product to use it I want somewhat accurate instructions so I can just complete a flight as it should
Guess it just depends I been using sayintentions and there is no way I’m leaving it. I really do prefer talking rather then having a fake person talking for me. 1. It’s realistic and 2. Brings an added challenge when I do flights. Also eventually I’ll get comfortable enough to fly on Vatsim.
I bought BATC, I am not a naive English speaker, and BATC has some difficulty understanding me, while SI has no problem understanding whatsoever during the trial period I tested it.
I understand that for simmers who are unfamiliar with standard R/T, SayIntentions would be more ‘comfortable’. However, if you are a real life pilot, you know that you’re not supposed to blabber just anything nor use ‘smalltalk’ or random wording. You are supposed to stay within the ‘rails’.
SayIntentions feels more like a natural human conversation … despite of the really long wait for response.
However BeyondATC, to me as a professional pilot, feels more realistic, because I have to input what is expected from me and I get a quick response in terms that I expect from ATC. No chitchat(gpt).
Also again incorrect BATC is the more accurate product for a proper ATC experience.
Traffic Injection
I got the impression that BeyondATC uses AI to help understand what you say as well. I don't think you have to script what you say in the same way as you would when talking to Pilot2ATC for example. (However just as you can't call up ATC in the real world and say "Alright geez? Slap us some clearance, ya hear me?" that might not work in BeyondATC either (although it would be cool if it reacted realistically).
I have neither right now, but I can say that I will be going with Beyond ATC because the one thing you failed to mention in your video which just happens to be huge, is that Beyond ATC will also be including traffic injection with minimal impact on FPS. Beyond ATC will also be fully integrated with the traffic injection. If your going to do a comparison then you need to provide all the proper information, you just happen to leave out half of what Beyond ATC has to offer. Cheers!
SayIntentions will also be including our own traffic injection!
@@SayIntentionsAI I dont have either and just started sim flying. Your product seems good but I am not a fan of subscription based products/services. I would rather have the option to pay in full. So for me personally, I would Go with Beyond ATC even it they might lack some features based off of pricing alone.
@@RLeighAAP SayIntentions is bound to full AI integration, impossible to make one time payment since they pay for services via some subscription model.
They could make it cheaper/more affordable though.
@@activex7327 Guess that all depends on their price. Like many Subscription offerings, you can provide the option to allow Subs and cancel at any time but also provide a fair lifetime price. With both options and if the pricing is fair, I would think you would still profit with more people being able to afford it.
@@RLeighAAP Unfortunately a pay once model simply doesnt work using generative AI. It costs us a LOT to use a cutting-edge LLM. As the price comes down, we certainly want to pass that on to our customers.
I bought BATC, but it does not sound near as good as SI. I think if you want inexpensive, then get BATC and ONLY USE basic voices. Otherwise get SI. Thats my initial review observation
Too expensive - i have an openai subscription but cannot start taking subscription upon subscription
Doesn’t look like he using latest beta of beyond
To me Sayintentions will be perfect if of course they revise their price, they need to have the same kind of pricing structure than BeyondATC. I believe they can do it. Another thing is traffic, it needs to be able to control traffic around, otherwise it will be an immersion killer. Also approaches and taxi are the problem their product is dealing with right now.
BATC is also fully dynamic AI but it is supposed to adhere more strictly to the FAA or ICAO phraseology. Which honestly would be more realistic.
Also 30 bucks per month for SI is just to much, for me anyway. I like the one time payment of BATC as it gives me the possibility to determine how much I want to spend on it. In months where I don’t have much time available for the sim, my costs will be low to zero.
BATC is not AI. Only for voices, not the ATC part.
@@ifr-ed The interpretation of what you respond is processed by AI.
The instructions of ATC are partly scripted (also relating to what you, the pilot, say and are following the correct and realistic procedures and phrases.
He is wrong about the script for beyond its better than what he saying please watch dev videos . also more to come from beyond
Some clarification. BATC is not dynamically AI driven in the way SI is. BATC uses AI generated voices. SI uses a dynamic LLM to generate real world responses in real-time, unscripted.
@@SayIntentionsAI but as the BATC dev said it is been coded to follow real word procedures the same as yours effectively and can be expanded and is cheaper for accessible for many . I’m not saying say-intentions isn’t good by the way just to expensive 😉
BATC has also several accents and will feature AI traffic control. The comparison is incomplete
Sayintentions is simply on another level with it’s AI. It’s like you are conversing with a human on the other end. I subscribed after I took the 24hr free trial and throughly enjoying it.
I agree! I think folks that do the demo are by-in-large, blown away by the flexibility and realism! It is pricey but AI is an emerging technology that will only get more affordable! The developer is committed to lowering the price as the price of AI trends lower!
Your wrong, BeyomfATC also claims to provide dynamic unscripted ATC through AI,. So far from the videos of I've seen, both programs appear to perform very well and as advertised in this regard. One advantage BATC will have (besides pricing) temporarily until traffic injection and control which both has plans to implement is it will be able to interact with current AI traffic like other ATC programs do, while SayIntentions will only provide traffic advisories for separation.
I think BATC has no AI regarding the ATC part. Voices yes, but ATC not.
@@ifr-ed Not according to the developer. Watch his videos, that and the ones posted by Overkill bears that out, but we'll have to wait until it's released and is in wider use to see how good it is.
BeyondATC is NOT dynamically AI driven. This is not a secret, the BATC team has such as such. Two entirely different products.
Nope you are wrong there is no AI in responses with BATC this is well known.Ask them.
You need to take down or edit your post! It is factually inaccurate! You should not be misleading folks when it comes to their purchasing decisions! 🤬
Does this works for VFR flying?
Yes, VFR flying works best at the moment.
Ohhhh yea! It was originally designed for VFR
What you are saying is not exactly correct. BATC still accesses the internet to process information you just can't ask it dumb questions. But you can talk to it naturally.
Hey, just a couple of points, you are correct that BATC is scripted, in the sense that the program is looking for you to say a specific thing. Just like on a real ATC frequency, if you asked the controller what their favorite donut was, they would probably give you a number to call - BATC looks out for key information in a sentence, not a complete sentence. You can throw a lot of umms and urghss and say things out of order and BATC will understand you (I've done this in the beta versions).
With regards to your summery, I think you may be a bit misinformed when you say SI is more realistic and a better comparison to VATSIM, I can't speak for SI however on the BATC side (which I will clarify I am a moderator for), distinguishes between ICAO and FAA rules, we have 23 real life controllers in our discord helping shape the procedures to be as life like as possible. Yes the premium voices in BATC sound great, but this doesn't take away from the experience you get within BATC, it is very akin to flying on VATSIM (the odd banter with a controller aside).
Regardless, BATC is still in development and there is still some work to do before it can be given to the public, I would just suggest you wait until you can get your hands on BATC, like you currently can with SI, so you can make an informed, honest opinion of both products. Both products are trying to do the same thing, but with completely different approaches - that doesn't make one inherently less realistic and I think it's unfair to judge a released early access product with an unreleased early access product personally.
If you have any questions do join the discord and ask!
You did a disservice to people watching your video. One of the things I hate most about Say Intention is the “LONG” delay in waiting for Say Intentions AI to determine a response and then say it. You even mentioned this delay in your video but then what did you do, you edited your video to take out the delay depriving your viewers of seeing just how long the delay is. Guess people will just have to watch other Say Intentions videos to hear the long delayed response.
Hello! Average response time is 7 seconds right now. A metric we track very closely, and is down over 20% in a VERY short period. Rather than just watch videos, why don't you come try our free trial and see for yourself?
@@SayIntentionsAI I intend to do that, I was just commenting on the fact that the person who made the video mentioned there was a delay and for some reason felt like we couldn't wait a few seconds to see how how long the delay was. But still as several have mention $360 a year vs a one time charge of $30 it a deal breaker.
I tried the demo version for SayIntensions, was interested of IFR flight. Was a huge disappointment. First the phraseology is FAA and I was flying in Europe, but thats not really the main problem. The thing that threw was that for some reason even if I was flying at 36k feet SayIntentions kept asking me to contact some Approach controller way bellow me, then another and so on the whole flight. The voice recognition is really good but I cant shake the feeling that is something for VFR and IFR is a long long way of being ready. Other than that I saw a livestream of Beyond ATC and thats better on the IFR front but still has a lot of space of improvements and the no traffic part is a real bummer.
Have a flight ID? You can find this in the pilot portal. We'd like to take a look at the logs and see if there was an issue. Multiple handoffs is not uncommon.
@@SayIntentionsAI was a flight from Lukk to lrop and was passed on to Iași approach then Bacău approach then when I was with Bucharest approach and preparing to land was send for a brief moment to Craiova approach. Something was definitely not right, whole flight should have been on center, there is only one center that covers the whole country.
Beyond Atc has not been released yet. However, I had the opportunity to try sayintensions and in the case of IFR flights it is completely unrealistic! Waste of money. I think that as soon as Beyond Atc is available, especially in the full version with traffic injector, the competition will not have the slightest chance.
So you are comparing SI which is out and available to batc which is still being worked on and you are are using a video from 6 months ago? Dude not fair at all, shame on you
Both products are in beta. One is open, one is closed. SI is also being worked on. Every day!
@@SayIntentionsAI Yeah but one you can try it yourself and for the other you rely on marketing materials. Not the same thing at all.
@@vladadrian3534 The comment insinuated that SI was not being actively worked on. It is.
SI has no idea where you are.
It's dreadful.
Also, it's aimed squarely at VFR... hence the constant prompting needed by the pilot.
And who wants to be forced to talk using a mic ?
20 quid a month ? Even if you don't use it ?
OMFG !
Hi! SI definitely knows where you are, and we also do IFR as well. We want to replicate a real-world experience where real pilots always talk on a mic! Remember, SI is in beta. Of course it isn't perfect. Right now we are at 95% accuracy in responses.
Every single real world pilot is required to talk using a mic.........its simulating ATC, ATC everywhere in every situation, VFR or IFR requires you to press a button and talk. You are criticizing a product for simulating the real world correctly? That's certainly a unique angle.
@@alanphillips4851 Trolls will troll lol
After trying the SayIntentions demo, I’d say there really is no way to tell it’s using “full AI”, besides that it tends to hallucinate.
You can’t have a conversation with it, and it doesn’t respond particularly well to unusual requests that would be no problem for a controller in the real world.
What it does do is utterly butcher taxi instructions. Or send you on a vector when you go missed approach, and then totally forget about you. Or give you completely conflicting instructions, either conflicting with previous instructions, established procedures or the law, or just common sense. And of course completely and utterly mess up basically all SIDS and STARs (although those are still WIP).
BeyondATC looks like a much more solid product from what we’ve seen so far.
It is 100% "full AI". That claim is not debatable. You CAN have an aviation related conversation We are aware, and fully transparent, about the taxi issues and approaches. This product is still in beta.
@@SayIntentionsAI The quote marks weren’t doubt, they were just there because the term “full ai” is a bit nebulous.
I might try the demo again when it’s available again (and if BATC hasn’t already satisfied my desire for AI ATC), but I couldn’t get ATC (mainly ground and delivery, since those two are easiest to have a “conversation” with in real life) to have a conversation with me about really anything. Asked for PIREPS, the weather at the tower, and other stuff like but and it didn’t really respond properly. I also tried requested different runways (once because it assigned me to land on a runway that didn’t exist), but it just wasn’t having it.
I’m aware IFR is still under development (it had a lot of issues, but I saw the warnings and still tried it so I’m not complaining), but you can fly vectors even VFR. And those seem to be severely broken as I mentioned in my original comment.
Right now, without working taxi instructions and with vectors that just send me out of the controller’s airspace never to be seen again, there isn’t really a reason for me to use SayIntentions. Especially since ATC/FIS communications are already very minimal when flying VFR, it’s just not worth the price right now for me.
That value proposition will be different once the current issues are fixed and IFR is fully supported though, and I’d love to give it another try then!
I do wish you guys the very best developing this though, because even though my experience was far from great, it’s still incredibly cool technology that I’m sure will get better over time.