Would love to see people doing their job properly. I understand that not many people watch this sport, but if we put in just a little more effort to make sure the video does not fail a simple quality check, maybe more people would pick up on it. Media is a very powerful tool, let us use it correctly. It is not the first time that the audio is out of sync, the video quality is often pretty bad, and many times the camera is shaking. Replay is random, some very important actions dont get a replay, other times we miss actions because the previous simultaneous attack gets replayed in slowmo for the second time. Plus it would be amazing if the commentators would make an effort to explain each action so that people can learn the sport. It is boring and in my opinion disrespectful to chat about meaningless fun-facts instead of trying to understand and explain the mind-games going on on the piste between the two fencers.
I agree with the technical quality and the need for replays. It is difficult, because that is expensive technology and fencing is not a big money sport. David King is not a fencer as such and Bruce Dickinson is the vocalist with Iron Maiden. Bruce was a really decent foilist is his day top 10 in GBR. But yes, more technical description would have been good here. You cannot describe the basic of the weapon each time, but some idea of the though processes of the fencers helps. Opening and closing distance to provoke reactions form each other. Anticipating the other fencer's action to exploit an opening etc. At the same time it is interesting to the fun facts are actually fun to the fencers who are watching.
There is a fencing saying worth remembering: "Never change a winning game, but never continue a losing one". Alex makes too many compound attacks (with a bent elbow) and Gerek knows this. Consequently, Gerek knew that he could effectively counterattack and "steal" the time. He did that over and over and Alex did not change his game. Also, and equally important, Alex needs to work on his "core" stability - to maintain his torso's balance over his legs (good examples of what I'm talking about include both Race Imboden and Gerek Meinhardt on the USA squad - and also the entire Italian Team is another example of this). Alex's unfortunate and repeated loss of balance creates an inability to take small, short parries and, inevitably, each parry and counter-parry are wider and wider (way out there). The net result is that his point is further and further away from his opponent's target area making lightning ripostes more difficult to achieve. Frankly, I don't know if Alex can now modify his fencing. Things are by now so ingrained that a "do-over" may not be feasible. Don't get me wrong, Alex is a wonderful fencer with really great skills and I like him immensely but I can't help thinking how much better he could be.
Hello, I'm a Chinese fencer. I found your channel when I was looking for fencing video. I think these videos are very good. I want to share it with more fencers. I want to reprint it on the Chinese website. I'll point out where they came from, OK? Thank you very much
intersting. doing some research on fencing so this video is useful. Also a great look at what lazer tag would be like as a world cup..(really cool scoring system)
I appreciate ketchup's complaint and intelligent commentary. I am an ex-collegiate fencer and was interested in viewing expert duelists at the peak of their game. For a while--a very frustrating time!--I thought my old eyes were really deceiving me. The narration would cheer for a hit that I just missed! It took me some time before realizing how badly out of-synch the audio is. Hello TH-cam administrators! ~ You really ought to post a WARNING to new viewers. Otherwise, I am sure a misleading video like this can drive NEW watchers AWAY from the sport I love.
Like some other people mentioned, this sport is pretty hard to follow, and the quality of footage makes it even harder. Anyone have any tips for following the action? Should i be focusing on the swords, or their footwork. How can I better follow the action when it all happens so fast and the swords are so slender?
If you are new to fencing, intricacies of footwork won't tell you much. Look at where the fencers are moving, and who is parrying (blocking). If they both hit at the same time, the advancing fencer gets the point. Likewise if the other does a parry, and reposts (counterattacks), they get the point. Foils can be floppy swords, so flicks are nearly impossible to follow and can reach speeds of close to 70mph.
@@evgenybelilovskiy1205 Thanks for taking the time. I've gotten a bit better at following the action by simply watching more and more. I still have to remind myself what the rules are for the different weapon classes from time to time.
@@kismetrina oh damn, sorry for the 3 month late response lol. Yeah weapon classes are annoying. I fenced in school for a while but switched over to HEMA for saber because it is a more fun and realistic sport in my opinion.
yeah basically. old fencing teacher used to tell us, fights usually go one of three ways. i kill you, you try and stop me but i kill you, or we both kill each other. if it takes longer than 10 secs for someone to land a hit its considered to be long.
Massialas didn’t try second intention really at all... just broken timing. If he knew Meinhardt was just going to counter-attack, why not build that into his prep?
@@christianalbertjahns2577 yeah but massialas’ fencing is quite repetitive and gets very boring, his atta is are quite heavy too while imboden is very fast on his feet and has great momentum
Would love to see people doing their job properly. I understand that not many people watch this sport, but if we put in just a little more effort to make sure the video does not fail a simple quality check, maybe more people would pick up on it. Media is a very powerful tool, let us use it correctly. It is not the first time that the audio is out of sync, the video quality is often pretty bad, and many times the camera is shaking. Replay is random, some very important actions dont get a replay, other times we miss actions because the previous simultaneous attack gets replayed in slowmo for the second time. Plus it would be amazing if the commentators would make an effort to explain each action so that people can learn the sport. It is boring and in my opinion disrespectful to chat about meaningless fun-facts instead of trying to understand and explain the mind-games going on on the piste between the two fencers.
Thank you for expressing my frustrations so succinctly
I agree with the technical quality and the need for replays. It is difficult, because that is expensive technology and fencing is not a big money sport. David King is not a fencer as such and Bruce Dickinson is the vocalist with Iron Maiden. Bruce was a really decent foilist is his day top 10 in GBR. But yes, more technical description would have been good here. You cannot describe the basic of the weapon each time, but some idea of the though processes of the fencers helps. Opening and closing distance to provoke reactions form each other. Anticipating the other fencer's action to exploit an opening etc. At the same time it is interesting to the fun facts are actually fun to the fencers who are watching.
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Thank you for sharing the video, however the sound is out of sync by over 1 second... all sounds are before the actions making it a chore to watch.
There is a fencing saying worth remembering: "Never change a winning game, but never continue a losing one". Alex makes too many compound attacks (with a bent elbow) and Gerek knows this. Consequently, Gerek knew that he could effectively counterattack and "steal" the time. He did that over and over and Alex did not change his game. Also, and equally important, Alex needs to work on his "core" stability - to maintain his torso's balance over his legs (good examples of what I'm talking about include both Race Imboden and Gerek Meinhardt on the USA squad - and also the entire Italian Team is another example of this). Alex's unfortunate and repeated loss of balance creates an inability to take small, short parries and, inevitably, each parry and counter-parry are wider and wider (way out there). The net result is that his point is further and further away from his opponent's target area making lightning ripostes more difficult to achieve. Frankly, I don't know if Alex can now modify his fencing. Things are by now so ingrained that a "do-over" may not be feasible. Don't get me wrong, Alex is a wonderful fencer with really great skills and I like him immensely but I can't help thinking how much better he could be.
Hello, I'm a Chinese fencer. I found your channel when I was looking for fencing video. I think these videos are very good. I want to share it with more fencers. I want to reprint it on the Chinese website. I'll point out where they came from, OK? Thank you very much
Why is the audio so far ahead of the video?
A bit more description of the action would help, but excellent commentary.
intersting. doing some research on fencing so this video is useful. Also a great look at what lazer tag would be like as a world cup..(really cool scoring system)
I appreciate ketchup's complaint and intelligent commentary. I am an ex-collegiate fencer and was interested in viewing expert duelists at the peak of their game. For a while--a very frustrating time!--I thought my old eyes were really deceiving me. The narration would cheer for a hit that I just missed! It took me some time before realizing how badly out of-synch the audio is.
Hello TH-cam administrators! ~ You really ought to post a WARNING to new viewers. Otherwise, I am sure a misleading video like this can drive NEW watchers AWAY from the sport I love.
Though im a kid and im very bad at fencing Foil has to be one of the weirdest looking swords coming from a Sabre fencer.
I'm a kid too and I do foil. I think all the swords look normal-ish. The only kind of sword that is weird to me is the Orthopedic grip.
1:10 can someone explain why Meinhardt had right of way even though Massialas connected first? New to foil, thanks
And again at 1:37, he runs Meinhardt runs himself through on his opponents blade before scoring but is still awarded the point, why is this?
Like some other people mentioned, this sport is pretty hard to follow, and the quality of footage makes it even harder. Anyone have any tips for following the action? Should i be focusing on the swords, or their footwork. How can I better follow the action when it all happens so fast and the swords are so slender?
If you are new to fencing, intricacies of footwork won't tell you much. Look at where the fencers are moving, and who is parrying (blocking). If they both hit at the same time, the advancing fencer gets the point. Likewise if the other does a parry, and reposts (counterattacks), they get the point.
Foils can be floppy swords, so flicks are nearly impossible to follow and can reach speeds of close to 70mph.
@@evgenybelilovskiy1205 Thanks for taking the time. I've gotten a bit better at following the action by simply watching more and more. I still have to remind myself what the rules are for the different weapon classes from time to time.
@@kismetrina oh damn, sorry for the 3 month late response lol. Yeah weapon classes are annoying. I fenced in school for a while but switched over to HEMA for saber because it is a more fun and realistic sport in my opinion.
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Is one of the commentators Bruce Dickinson? Because he sounds just like him, and Dickinson was a fencing champ once.
Is it normal for a fencing bout to be so very stop-start?
yeah basically. old fencing teacher used to tell us, fights usually go one of three ways. i kill you, you try and stop me but i kill you, or we both kill each other. if it takes longer than 10 secs for someone to land a hit its considered to be long.
Massialas didn’t try second intention really at all... just broken timing. If he knew Meinhardt was just going to counter-attack, why not build that into his prep?
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This event is like a lifetime ago.
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I think this is good film
Excellent attack into preparation! (6:09)
Nice!
No me gusta porque no tiene repetición
Why did this guy just ask if it would boring how freaking rude
Meinhardt not even trying for like 5 touches or so.
"if you let that guy hit you one more time you're not going to the olympics"
actually, that is very highly motivational
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gerek only takes w's
that's on god
common Gerek W
can we get a #OnlyW'sForGerek
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very impressive performance from Gerek
This was a So-So
The difference in skill level is displayed in this match. Massialas leaves himself too open when attackin with no arm extended
Imboden was better Massialas
Massialas is ranked above Imboden, hence Massialas is better
@@christianalbertjahns2577 yeah but massialas’ fencing is quite repetitive and gets very boring, his atta is are quite heavy too while imboden is very fast on his feet and has great momentum
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