Permaculture Food Forest Tour - May 25, 2023
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- Today we talk about... well, mostly bugs. We also talk about peach leaf curl, some guilds, and the value of intrusive herbaceous layers into tree canopies.
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People like travel hours away to walk in nature. If you’re lucky enough to have a yard, it is awesome to have nature in your back yard instead of a monoculture lawn with annual flowers that native bugs have no use for.
Who's traveling hours to walk in nature? A quick 30-45 min drive out of a city should do the trick.
@@franciscobenitez3188 Calgary to Banff is over an hour.
You are so right. I can walk the paths in my forest multiple times each day, see changes, eat some raw food, and feel peace in the soul. It's only a small acre but it's packed with plants, trees, pollinator flowers, and more. From our host here, I've learned about guilds and so am doing more very quickly to enhance my guilds. What's your situation there? No yard? Sounds like maybe no yard. I lived with a 12 x 12 concrete patio for about 10 years but still had pots and was a member of a local community gardens. A life saver.
A work of art, thanks for sharing
Great tour. What a great space to relax in
Love how you included all the whys. It's important because permaculture is a paradigm shift, a new aesthetic, a different way of facing challenges. The food forest is looking spectacular and your apple tree is one of my favourites. In this part of the world, the mulberry crop has finished and figs are just starting with massive figs. We have eaten buckets full of prickly pear pads and I have frozen many ziplock bags for next winter.
I should try to find prickly pear. I believe it can survive in zone 4/5. ❤️
You need to learn how to scrape off the prickles and not get prickled yourself before they of much use for eating... here we use the old pads as hydrogel when planting trees, the sap mixed with lime for waterproofing mudbrick and dirt roofs and painting tree trunks white, and as boundary barriers. Prickly pear is a keystone plant in this part of the world. I'm not sure they would survive outside with your winters with the amount of snow you get but perhaps under a roof eave, under a large evergreen tree it might survive.
The forrest is looking great!!
Just got a dozen acres in northern(ish) Minnesota. Overwhelmed with getting started
I give "weeds" a very classy slate nametag. Keeps hubby from weeding them out and visitors are intrigued or ’reassured’ i guess. Oh, and help me retain their names. The garden is getting very diverse !
Great vid! Thanks for the tour
32 Seconds into the video and I'm saying, YES,YES, YES!!! Take me there until I can have my own!!
Awesome :)
Beautiful way to start my day! I have six pawpaws in various stages of maturity. When I got them, they were so tiny, and some are still so small. Two of the three out front are finally about shoulder height after four or five years...I'm hoping that once the root system is established they will put on some serious growth on top. I knew that I'd have to wait a while. It was good to see the size of your trees that are now in flower, but it makes me realize that I probably have a few more years of waiting...I am getting so eager to have some fruit from them. It's killing me, because I knew of pawpaw trees and thought about planting them 15 years ago, but the description of the fruit made me question whether I'd like them. Then I tasted one a few years ago, and was kicking myself for not planting any sooner! Of all the fruit I have growing, this is the one I am most eager to have...well, that and the kiwi and persimmons. Patience comes to those who wait!
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Yay another tour! I have a family member that likes to inform me of all the weeds in my front yard I tell him to 'just wait, they will make you smile' ... it hasn't yet but I'm sticking to it!
I love that response! haha so wholesome :) "Just wait, they will make you smile!"
At least you get a comment. There has been many times when my husband has had a visitor and while they are chatting and having a beer, the friend leans down and pulls up some plants around a small peach tree... and when I turn up I see wild broccoli, parsley amaranth, rocket, wheat, watermelon plants rooted up dying in the sunshine. It's the mentality that weeds take nutrients away from young trees and that they will steal the water. We are located in dry lands. The other comment that I tend to get is why don't you plant XY and Z?... and what is amusing to me is that they have walked past, walked on and not recognised exactly the plants they have mentioned.
I really enjoyed the tour cheers man!
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Consider collecting seaweed and spraying a seaweed tonic on once every few weeks before it exits dormancy for your leaf curl disease issues
The fungus that causes it is in the tree itself and the soil, the leaf curl won't go away with just picking the leaves. It can kill your tree eventually.
We had leaf curl and used essential oils to treat the fungal issue successfully
Always enjoy walking through your spot. Waterfall is beautiful. Only thing that was ugly was that blue maple leaf haha. Lets go Red Wings!
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Enjoyed the tour ! You’ll be happy to know that I no longer remove goldenrod, mullein or dandelions from my not much food yet forest. This spring I’ve added 3 black currants, a black gooseberry, 3 haskaps (honey berries here in Idaho) and a dwarf cherry tree to my largest guild. Working on adding some more perennial wild flowers. The ones that do well here are columbines, lupine, wild strawberries, daffodils and echinacea. At the moment the syringa bushes are blooming like crazy. Hopefully I can propagate the haskaps, currants and gooseberries to add them to the smaller guilds.
Love this! Keep up the great work.
I always enjoy the walkabouts! We’re in similar climate, so as I consider adding new plants, it gives me a sense of what to expect. :)
13:32 It was a slug. Now it's ant food. 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜 🐜
Everything looks amazing BTW. Old man trail is really taking off!
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Spraying thyme (strong) tea. Or garlic juice h1s both done well for me. Thyme tea ATTRACTED bees so it’s probably not bad for them
I started when you had vlover then mulch chips..the pond was naked and a snapper turned up..I am so happy you endured and grew right along with your land ..you are blessed xxx🍁🍁🍁🐞🐝🦋🌏☮🥰
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Last year I let the yarrow grow all around my apple tree, and didn't have any caterpillars in my apples (for the first time ever!). So i did the same thing this year. No caterpillars burrowing into the apples.... UNTIL my partner used the whippersnipper to "clean up" around the tree. Now my apples have caterpillars, and he knows to never do that again 😆
Oh wow, what amazing direct observations!
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy I think between the smell of the yarrow and the increase in predators, it made it a less desirable location to lay eggs
WRT wither or not to spray for peach leaf curl. One of the good things about polyculture food forests is that one isn't dependent on the production of any one crop.
In traditional farming, the farmer picks a crop to grow and his/her survival depends on the success of a few crop types. S/he must do what ever is necessary to insure good production.
That is why I don't want to be a farmer. I want to manage my forest with what grows well given my conditions. If I have an abundance, I can sell what I have, whatever that is.
Preordering and cash crops are not going to happen.
This is a key key point here! Even if we got no peaches this year, I've already been eating from my land for 2 months now, and all my other plants are loaded with fruit and nuts.
Bees saying "holy smokes" when they see your garden...I am looking to my bees saying that too.
The alien hair thing... Prairie Smoke!
That's it!
I'm about maybe 35%-40% finished with sheet mulching my back yard and converting the lawn into a food forest. I was just out there with my son earlier today and as we were looking at the yard as a whole, it was really interesting just how much life there was in the food forest as compared to the grass. There's really just nothing in the grass at all, but the food forest had hundreds of bees, some spiders, a beetle, some other flying insects that I couldn't identify, and a dragonfly zooming overhead.
Oh yeah, you are starting to see that trophic cascade starting! Grab some popcorn, it only gets better each year!
Loving these tours. I inherited a peach tree at my new place. It’s horribly overgrown, had never been pruned. It’s got very very minor leaf curl but has borers 👎🏼 And I loved peaches but I’m now allergic so not sure how much effort is worth putting in. I’m working on thinning the fruit but can’t reach most of it. Going to plant some guild plants around it and see how we go this year.
I let my rhubarb go to flower, it got completely covered in aphids but left it hoping it would bring in some beneficials. So far the aphids and ants are winning but there’s decades of ecological imbalance here that will take a long time to rectify.
You have the exact right mentality! ✅️
So inspiring. Thank you.
Thank you for this video. Love your place. It has a natural flow. I am sure your grand kids will love it and will appreciate to their grandpa. Here in Georgia, I see wild black berries side of the roads and it is very dense too. It looks so beautiful during spring time with white flowers. I am not sure how it tastes but will walk soon and will try to see how it tastes. I am sure my kids will scream to see me eating something from the side of the road. I am growing black berries in my garden (I forgot the variety, I bought it from the Home Depot 2 years ago). I just saw a new shoot one foot apart from the original plants. Any way, thank you again.
Thanks for the lovely comment. When foraging things from places like that, just be careful of dog pee, and any herbicide spraying. I generally try to avoid foraging from human areas, as I never know what poisons were sprayed of the plants 😞😓
13:15 You can also encourage snakes by building a large pile of rocks 6-12".
Best time to start your paradise? Ten years ago.
Second best time? TODAY!
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😊 ☕ time with you and your awesome world!
Good morning :)
It's only 10 Celcius today on Grand Manan Island NB...enjoy your 🌞 away from your desk!
I'm learning so much OCD doesn't help! Lol I find it difficult to decompartmenentalize can't do everything I'd like...only limited resources. I want it all now! 😂 so far I'm happy with my 1 fruit'n'flower guild and still building my 1 bed and 1 raised bed of veggies and herbs.😊
Luckily my SW patio door keeps my seedlings happy!
But I'm pushing the growing season but I'm going with it! It's my first garden adventure!
I know that struggle well! I dream big and only ever reach just a fraction of what I have in my mind.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Wow! Bigger than what you've accomplished!
That's massive 🧠 power! 👏👏🍻 Cheers
Congrats you've got to celebrate your dream coming true! 🍾🥂
Blackberry is incredibly invasive here in BC. Yet somehow i managed to kill my own container i tried to grow.
The struggle is real 😆
I have tons of wild one growing in the yard. Its about to flower by now. I cut most of it but leave a few to pick the fruit. I just poanted thornless, lets see how they do. I think maybe its better not to baby them and let them be.
Enjoyed the walkabout. You've done a great job and I've learned a lot from you this last 18 months since taking up gardening and permaculture. Quick question...Where's your veggies like lettuce, onions, garlic, scallions, beets, peas etc. Do you grow these. Regards from Ireland and thanks again for your great advice.
I am taking a break from planting them now. We hit freezing this week, so I wanted to wait a little longer.
I don't plant lettuce because I eat perennial greens. No onions because I plant Egyptian walking onions which are perennial. Beets and peas are getting planted today.
I'd you see my latest video on building raised beds, I talk about where we grow our annuals.
If you are in a wet part of Ireland, check out Charles Dowding. The leaf wood chips method like Keith uses can cause massive slug problems. The mature compost over cardboard no till method like Charles does avoids this problem. I'm in Dry lands and I purposely try and have slugs for my box tortoises...and the slugs often are in very short supply because the birds also like them.
I gave in and sprayed my peaches with copper. They still have leaf curl...or are dead. They were nearly dead when we moved here, so I think the death was caused by years of neglect and poor soil. Lea curl didn't help. How old are the pawpaws? We planted some here in BC in Zone 5. The dear got a few nibbles before I caged them up. Two came back, one has about three leaves on it, but I'm not giving up yet. I know a few people locally who have them, but no one who's gotten fruit yet.
The paw paws are 4 years in ground here, and probably 2-3 at nursery.
I am listening to your sharing about placing the pollinator-attracting trees on the border. I am ready to plant to few native trees based on the number of insects that engage, a witch hazel and a Serviceberry. Unfortunately, what surrounds my two acres are three sides of industrial crops, either corn, sugar beets, or soy; the farmer usually plants corn. I'm thinking to make a berm with a base of clay, to block any rain run-off from the fields from entering the yard. This will be an expensive project, but worth it in the future. Can you think of any other idea to implement a barrier to the chemicals used on the ag fields?
Yeah, that's always a tough one. I would recommend to go thick ajd dense and evergreen. Fertilizer and pesticide poisoning is no joke. Just look up the studies on prevalence of Parkinsons disease and people who live next to farms. It's shocking.
I would go with very densely planted cedars as a wall around your entire property. You can possibly slowly work on it, harvesting somesapplinhs each year (in a sustainable way) out of the forests around you.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy yes the cedars do well here with the neutral/alkaline soil conditions, and the wind. Sometimes its difficult to stay motivated through the obstacles. Thank you for this thoughtful response and all you share. Blessings...
My food forest acre (and my little house) is adjacent to the main spray guy who works "helping" farmers treat (poison) their land (for BIG MONEY). So that neighbor's always spraying something on his mono-crop lawn. Sometimes I can smell whatever it is and I go into my house to get away from it. He's careful but still, it's touching my property. There's a thick row of trees now I've let grow which helps. He probably hates my natural looking yard anyway. So he doesn't have to see it and I block some of the drift when the wind is swirling.
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I've always wondered about how you deal with ticks, but hadn't heard you mention them before. It'll definitely be a problem on our property... I'm guessing deer management is a big part of it, and I'd be curious to hear an update on your efforts there, as well!
Pretty much every night I do a full body check. Ticks are BRUTAL here. Thankfully, another week or so it gets too hot and they aren't a problem, but they are everywhere in the spring and fall.
Paw paws are pollinated by flys. Ordinary house flys. I’ve read about growers in Ohio tying strips of rotten meat on the trees to attract pollinators. They pollinate before bees are around is the explanation.
Flies and beetles :)
I'm adding a wild plum near my paw paws that I'm planting today because their flowers smell like rotten meat and attract flies plus the native wild plums thorns are a deer deterrent. Hopefully.
Great thinking Cathy!
I'm from B.C. and the edges of our acreage is all blackberry. i have pulled some and then put cardboard and 1 to 2 feet of wood chips and they are still coming back. So annoying!
The best method is CONSTANT removal. Take them down to the ground. Never let them perform photosynthesis. Every single day remove new growth. Not a single plant can survive this. It's a bit of a long battle as the plant slowly runs out of energy in the root system, but its the only 100% guaranteed method.
Obviously this is practical depending on how bad the situation is, and how big your land is. The second best way is smothering from the tip, which it sounds like you are doing. Just keep at it. I find plywood is best for this, as it's easy to move and reapply. Sheet mulching with cardboard, the cardboard only lasts a few months, and this battle may take a year or longer.
It could take the insects a few years to get on to pollinating your paw paws I would rather play it safe by hand pollinating the lower 2/3 of the tree then you'll know if the insects are doing their job if the top 1/3 of the tree gets pollinated. You could be kissing away allot of delicious fruits!
A great point! I will still know based on if we get fruit at the top
If by Creeping Charlie you mean Ground Ivy or Glechoma Hederacea, I just recently started studying herbal medicine and this is an important medicinal herb. I paid a good amount of money for a tincture made from it that is working great for sinus congestion and headaches. The Honeystead did an episode about it if you’re interested. 😊
Oh Sorry, I didn't realize so many plants have a nickname of creeping charlie! I'm talking about Glechoma hederacea indeed. I actually made a video on it called "don't hate this plant!" th-cam.com/video/R8Wbq381UwM/w-d-xo.html
I just watched it. I’ll have to look for it in my yard now.
Stefan sobkowiak suggests using whey.
Gor peach leaf curl? I like his channel, but did he say what the science was behind it. I can't stand that kind of stuff if it's not based on anything.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy I don’t know what the science is. He said it was partly because it was sticky. I assumed he knew what he was talking about because he was a biology lecturer, I think at McGill. Maybe it doesn’t work for leaf curl, but he says that’s all he sprays with.
Garlic spray will get rid of peach leaf curl
This is my dream, where about’s are you located in Ontario?
Between Toronto and Ottawa.
You need a health check up, around your eyes are dark. I haven’t seen your eyes like that before. You should get your full health checked just incase. Always Love your videos!
Thanks, it was just really early morning
Are you still in Canada or somewhere else?
Still in the same place yes. Ontario, between Toronto and Ottawa.
Do you know of any way to make biochar in a small container I could use on a cement patio?
My garden got stunted a bit from the heat, but it's coming along fairly well now. Temperature is what is "normal", 22 ° C days
It's not exactly biochar, but what I do is use a rocket stove made from pineapple juice cans (the tall ones). It works well for sticks and creates a bed of coals that I can put out in water easily.
Yes indeed, size doesn't matter. Some people take cans of beans, cut them in half, fill them with wood, slide them back together (there will be a small air gap to release pressure) and throw them in a fire. Super easy.
Oh, Pale beat me to the response! We were thinking the exact same thing :)
Thank you, that should work, both suggestions.
are you on city water or a well?
Artesian well. It was one of the largest factors in me buying this property.
Alien hairy looking thing? The plant?
yeah
Sorry I was only being silly, seen as you mentioned that your wife liked it you may have been referring to yourself. Suppose a plant might refer to us as a alien hairy looking thing.
Enjoyed the video, I think you have got things sussed out, please keep learning and posting videos
haha that would be funny 😁