Permaculture Food Forest Tour, June 2023. Walk and talk about overshoot, ice melting, climate change
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- In this video I mention how the "right" (i.e. Rupert Murdoch media) is the main source of climate disinformation. Just for balance, I want to also include here why I hate hate hate that the climate narrative that the "left" pushes is "carbon carbon carbon". Yes, carbon is the main warming mechanism from a pure science standpoint. It's the main cause of the symptom of instability and warming, and that's just simply because these Greenhouse Gases (yes, which includes non carbon things like water) all have high specific heat capacities.
However, it's more than that. Our insane global Carbon releases of a whopping 3,217,000,000 TONS per year ITSELF is a symptom. It's a symptom of the social psychosis that I mention in this video. It is the change in mentality from living WITH the land, to extracting FROM the land. That the world is our resource and ours to take. That there are no consequences to ravaging it. I.e., it's a symptom of overshoot, which is the main problem.
So that's why my take on climate change is that we can fix the carbon problem and STILL walk off a cliff. If we made carbon capture tech, powered it with brand new fusion reactors, then ALL THAT WOULD DO is create a handful of industries that are now suddenly profitable. It would also allow industries that should die, to continue destroying the planet. All it would do is ensure we continue to extract, extract, extract, and we would just walk off a different cliff (biodiversity loss, topsoil loss, resource loss, plastic waste in oceans) sooner.
As painful as it may be, the actual surest path to our successfully navigating climate change, is to actually be FORCED to retract, due to for example, Hubbert's Curve. We simply don't have time to redesign society, overhaul politics and the financial system. The people in power simply won't let that happen anyways. We, as a society, actually need to hit these fundamental limits where cheap energy is no longer possible, and thus, global shipping dies (for example). It would force governments to think more locally, simply because it's no longer financially possible to do things like ship granite from Canada to Italy and back, just so someone can have a nice countertop. Because if these kind of things continue to be financially possible, then we will just simply continue to do them.
The root cause...
So we cannot fix our plight, until we address the root cause, and the root cause is overshoot. And maybe even more accurately, overshoot is the symptom, and the actual root cause is the social mental state that our civilization is in. We went from 7 generational thinking, to "my great great great grandkids will sit under this here oak tree I planted", and in 1 generation we went to "screw you whiny kids, Im'ma get mine!". It make me so sad when I see that sentiment to prevalently on things like facebook. It's this entire generational war of boomers vs Gen Z, Boomers vs Millenials, everyone vs Boomers, and all it does is isolate, cause in-fighting, and particularly, when people VOTE on those lines, and entire political platforms are established on lines of "good for everyone" vs "good for me", then we elect representatives that impart policy along those lines, and what happens from there is basically what we've seen since 1970 until now. Humanity walking, no, running towards the cliff edge.
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I’ve subscribed to your channel but never commented & I have to admit my whole thinking on the climate has changed immensely over the years. I have always cared about the environment but I think I come to the conversation from a very different background. I was raised in the Rocky Mountains & was taught hunting & fishing at very young age, but what’s missing today compared when I grew up is we were taught to respect the lands, use EVERYTHING we caught but take NOTHING away from nature - in other words be grateful what we have and understand that nature is something we must cherish & respect. I took this concept when I began foraging and fully understood this as I began my own journey into permaculture. Today I plant as you do, with my natural environment & recourses in mind. The rewards have been amazing just in my own yard, seeing the butterflies, bees, newts and other insects & such all around has been nothing short of incredible. I’m 100% with you in gardening truly putting me on this path & I believe this is a way to educate people on our environment. Thank you for sharing your beautiful garden!
Exactly. That's why I hate hate hate that the climate narrative that the "left" pushes is "carbon carbon carbon". Yes, that's the main thing. Well, it's not also. It's the main cause of the symptom of instability and warming. However, it's more than that. Our insane Carbon releases (3,217,000,000 TONS per year) ITSELF is a symptom. It's a symptom of what you mention. The change in mentality from living with the land, to extracting FROM the land. That the world is our resource and ours to take. That there are no consequences to ravaging it. I.e., it's a symptom of overshoot, which is the main problem.
So that's why my take on climate change is that we can fix the carbon problem and STILL walk off a cliff. If we made carbon capture tech, powered it with brand new fusion reactors, then ALL THAT WOULD DO is create a handful of industries that are now suddenly profitable. All it would do is ensure we continue to extract, extract, extract, and we would just walk off a different cliff (biodiversity loss, topsoil loss, resource loss, plastic waste in oceans) sooner.
So we cannot fix our plight, until we address the root cause, and the root cause is overshoot. And maybe even more accurately, overshoot is the symptom, and the actual root cause is the social mental state that our civilization is in. We went from 7 generational thinking, to "my great great great grandkids will sit under this here oak tree I planted", and in 1 generation we went to "screw you whiny kids, Im'ma get mine!". It make me so sad when I see that sentiment to prevalently on things like facebook. It's this entire generational war of boomers vs Gen Z, Boomers vs Millenials, everyone vs Boomers, and all it does is isolate, cause in-fighting, and particularly, when people VOTE on those lines, and entire political platforms are established on lines of "good for everyone" vs "good for me", then we elect representatives that impart policy along those lines, and what happens from there is basically what we've seen since 1970 until now. Humanity walking, no, running towards the cliff edge.
After 5 years of studying future technology as solutions to global problems, it is very clear to me there is no external solution to our own collective planetary impacts. Solution has to come through personal internal change of perception of what it means to live a good life. Love the channel.
I’m in my 7th decade & agree with the changes we have to BE! Even at my age, I reuse, repair & plant my little food forest in my urban yard! I’m trying to teach others natural ways to health of the body, land & food. I love all the permaculture principles! Thanks for sharing! Blessings to all 🤗💜🇨🇦
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Thank you, Keith! This is one of your best videos on where we are as a culture. I have shared it on my FB page, in hopes a couple people will watch or listen to it. If just one person takes it to heart and changes their idealism, I/we've won for the day. I so wish we were neighbors! Carry on my friend! You're a true leader!
Really appreciate these updates and the work you do. You are having such an impact. I am creating a good forest too in my garden in a fancy neighbourhood in Oslo. Nowhere near as big as yours but still pretty decent. I have already spent two months planting and relandscaping our hill. So excited to see this grow. We only plan to live in this house for 3-4 more years so this will be my gift the the nature in the neighbourhood when we leave.
I very much agree with your words. I am creating a permaculture haven for wildlife and my family. I also believe in reusing and maintaining the things I buy. As an example, I bought a second hand, older washing machine, probably from the early 80's. ON PURPOSE. The thing is a beast, is easily repairable and will last forever if maintained. We don't have to throw everything away. I don't get that mentality. At all. It just saddens me.
Don't stop creating this content.
People need to understand, to see what can be done.
Thank you for inspiring ❤
Best of luck!
Thank you both so kindly :)
When my son was a teenager I convinced him to help me repair the washing machine when I found out it had a clutch (played into his obsession with cars)
I really love your videos. I am in a similar position. I studied mathmatics and worked in software industry. I was a tech guy and thought technology will fix everything.
Then we moved into our own house with a really small garden.
It was the first time i was responsible for a bit of nature and like you i was total into ecology, soil science and biodiversity and want to know everything about how nature really function.
So a very similar path to you. With same conclusions.
Please keep up with your great work and i hope your passion inspire a lot of people around the world to search for their opportunities to change the world for a sustainable life.
That's so cool. I honestly think it's ingrained deep in all of us, and just needs to be awoken via exposure. That's why I truly think gardening is the key to it all. It awakens this connection to the planet that is dormant within us.
Wonderful content. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day!
Thank you so much for all you work.
1.sharing wisdom and experience from you foodforrest
2. Working you land, and doing a tiny different for the local eco system.
3. Sharing knowledge about what is wrong, and sharing thoughts and ideas, to fix it.
4. Personally I'm so happy i found this channel, i been building my food Forrest since 2020, and this channel has been a big inspiration + i have almost same thoughts about all the climate issues we facing, i know it's not all set and done by an CO2 tax, it's much more systemical issue. The most of the time i dont got the energy to share what you explaining to people around me, or at SOME, so usually i let it go, and focuses my energy and money towards my foodforrest. But I'm very thankful you doing and effort for an Shout out to the world.
Thanks as always 🍻
It can be really hard to do these kind of videos, because I know every time I do, a small subset of subscribers will evaporate. The message is just too important, and to be honest, those people aren't capable of changing their opinion, even using logic, data, science. If none of those things were used to form their position, then those things won't work to change their mind. The big thing I'm trying to do is to wake up the average person. So many people actually do care, they just don't know how bad it is. And maybe they don't know what they can even do. Starting a garden is a great first step .
Canada's population is now 40 million. More and more pressure on the environment, but today I am very happy because I saw 3 tadpoles in my pond.
Thanks for the video - sobering stuff, but something we all need to hear. Good work.
Great video!
Appreciate you Man, beautiful video!
Great video and a very important message. It is important for communities to have access to land and the ability to grow food for themselves and to share. Poverty and war cause so much environmental destruction. Environments that are stressed from natural causes can tip over the brink because people don't think they have any alternatives and they simply want to survive to tomorrow. A bit of generosity goes a long way. Your sharing of information is a beautiful gift. Thank you.
I 100% agree that technology can't be the sole solution to climate change. We need huge societal shifts to make this work, and there are a lot of people who aren't going to want to change their lifestyle to benefit humanity (or the earth) as a whole. One thing about doing biogeochemistry is that I see how tweaking one tiny bit of an ecosystem can have huge ripple effects...you're right that we need to spend more time observing nature and figuring out how we can fit into the ecosystem without changing it too much.
On a side note, one of the very last events I was at in the Seattle area was at the UW botanic gardents, and as I was walking in, I saw some haskaps! I recognized them from your video (they weren't labeled) so I picked a couple and tried them--very nice!
That's great!
Indeed, there are so many things we can all do to be the small catalyst for societal change. For example, even a business owner living in the city can have a MASSIVE impact, probably more than I ever could, just by pushing for a work from home environment for their business. That alone has huge rippling echoes through society and what is considered "nornal".
I just have to say, you never really can imagine something so magical in the middle of a normal suburban house. You guys are really making something different. It’s like jumping into a little dream cottage in the middle of Switzerland or Norway. You are returning life to normality if that makes sense! Art and color to our bland ways of living! Long live your Legacy! 🙌
Ideos have inspired me. Really enjoy them! Over the last 5 years I have planted 17 fruit trees, 18 blueberry bushes, 40' of yellow raspberries, tons of asparagus, mushrooms... I am not so worried about man made global warming. The earth's orbit is not perfect. The sun puts out varried levels of energy. The last 100 years is less than the blink of an eye. Remember there was an ice age. The temps vary whether man is here or not. Like Rush Limbaugh said - always follow the money. Global warming, now climate change, because the proof is now debateable is to sepperate people from their $. Please keep making vids. I love them. Russ
I appreciate the maturity here! Too many times these things divide us. I'd love to, if you'd entertain me (and it looks like you are open to it, based on your response being so level headed), I would just like to point out that "follow the money" applies everywhere. It also applies to coal oil and gas companies, and the absurd amount of money they spend lobbying government. For example, they spent $125 MILLION on lobbying in 2022, just to the US alone. And you know if they are spending that much, they are more than offsetting that expenditure on what policies that lobbying will bring them in terms of profits. How much does that $125 mil get them? TWENTY BILLION DOLLARS.
So definitely follow the money, but follow it on both sides! Follow the money for green energy like Solar/Wind/Nuclear, but also follow the money for coal oil and gas - the most heavily subsidized industry on the planet. I find it funny when anti-climate discussion says that government wants to give green tech money, but then don't account for thet $20B that the US gives to coal oil and gas subsidies :) Anyways, much love brother, we're on the same team! Happy Gardening!
I agree. Want to screw something up? Get a government agency involved.
LOL 💯 😆 🤣 😂 "I'm from the government and I'm here to help!" 😆 🤣
You are very fortunate to have such a large piece of property to create your food forest. I think a lot of people are working for the money so that they can one day own some property to create a beautiful food forest like yours.
You have to do what you can with what you have. Herbs on a windowsill ...
Absolutely. We also have a lot of people in the comments who do permaculture from apartments. I'm going to visit a previous consultation that I did, and show his updated house. He has a 30 foot by 10 foot backyard in the city. It's definitely possible to make life changing upgrades in small spaces.
It's crazy how quickly the food forest expansion has filled in. It's encouraging too because if we let it or better yet, help it, nature can recover very quickly
Great video again, we don't necessarily have a climate crisis but an environmental crisis because of artificial fertilisers and pesticides I think.
Thank you for those opening comments. Very astute. I live in the American Southwest, high desert, Mojave so, a lot of these specifics won't apply. But, the philosophy and the gist of your approach... I think that'll work. Best of luck on your channel, friend!
Everything looks amazing!!
Beautiful.....thank tou for the shared journey ❤🍁🍁
I like the raised beds!
Thanks for posting. I respect your thought process. You make me want to start up my TH-cam channel again with a new name and thought process.
I’m in NYS in the 1000 islands area (riiiight on the Canadian border) and we had to delay our planting of warm season plants two weeks too!! I was impatiently patiently waiting for what felt like forever but once I did get stuff in the ground it sprang right up!
Good work sir!
Well said brother 👏
That flower you were wondering about at the beginning looks like valerian
Oooooh thank you thank you thank you, I think you are right. I planted it 5 few years ago, but the area got taken over by dog strangling vine, and it got smothered out. I think it since spread from that area (about 100 feet away) to here. Because I never got to work with it, and because all plants like this look somewhat similar, I never got intimate familiarity with it. It's such a useful plant, I'm honestly so grateful you posted this. I'm going to go outside and just double check all the leaves and identification markers for valerian, but I'm 90% sure you are bang on. Thanks so much!
Nice tour man ! Cheers ! I am beyond happy right now, I planted a ton of trees and fruit trees this week on my property. What I had been waiting for so long is finally happening. Soon I can say I have a food forest :D
I was also extremely worried that my homemade compost doesn't work. It was my first time making large amount of compost so I was worried but everything is fine. I had some trouble in the garden but it was not caused by the compost but the very wet weather of the past few weeks. How been the weather over there?
Than you so much for everything you teach us bud, I appreciate it.
It's been very dry for most of the year, but also cold. We did just get a few days of rain, which was super helpful, but it's still very cool. Growth in general is slow, but like all things, silver linings... it means my kale has not bolted yet, and we've been eating it for a very very abnormally long time this year.
Have you ever read Heidegger’s essay “The Question Concerning Technology”? I think you might enjoy it. I was reminded of it when you were explaining how access to more/cheaper energy wouldn’t solve our problem - that our relationship to (and really our perception of) nature needs to change. Heidegger suggests that modern technology reveals nature to us only as consumable units of energy at our command - valuable only as a means to our own ends. In so doing, modern technology obscures any other value of nature and conceals from us that there is a reality beyond human use and action.
It’s an interesting read for a more philosophical/historical take (originally given as a lecture in 1949, but I think it still holds up).
Watched your video, went out and planted more beans. Food forest is challenging here in New Mexico, but I'm giving it my best shot. Thanks for the beautiful tour, very inspiring.
Love this! Best of luck!
They are saying not to eat wine caps more then 3 days in a row. It can mess with the way you digest I guess. I have way more then I need every year as well. Not to far, in Montana. Looks great
I guess my earlier comment didn't make sense. I got so excited about the swarm I missed you showing your bees the first time.
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I had to comment on your video. I believe strongly in permaculture and growing your own food and do so myself. My background is in health care and living through the unrepentant tripe that was doled out on the populace over the last 3 years, I have a keen awareness of propaganda now. The signs on the 407 were spewing out medical advice! If the message about anything is intent on belittling you or shaming you--that's propaganda. The United Nations blurb, just like the Health Canada blurb, below your video gives me pause to reflect.
I think you would enjoy listening to zachbushmd He talks about consciousness, the gut microbiome, regenerative farming, etc. in an inspirational way--no shaming.
How did you get mushrooms growing in your food forest? I've seen them done by putting plugs into logs or stumps, and I've seen some people use buckets with holes drilled in the sides. Did you start your mushrooms one of those ways and then let them spread or did you get them growing directly in the food forest somehow? Would be cool to see a video on how you're planting and managing those.
I bought a bag of mushroom spawn from a vendor who sadly passed from Covid. I just buried it under woodchips (King Stropharia mushrooms don't need log innoculations, they can live in woodchips). Different mushrooms need different things, some will only grow on logs using spawn plugs and wax sealed. If you live in the USA fungi dot com is a good place.
It's a kind of a shame that you didn't get that queen bee retrieval on video. That stuff does really well on TH-cam
I know! He actually came by during my work day, so I filmed one part at lunch, but had to hop on a conference call and had to run inside. He didn't want them to fly away so he just did it. I went back out after work, so he then did the dramatic reenactment.
I am Romanian and I was so happy to see a fellow Romanian helping you out with the swarm ❤
I am very curious what's your opinion on Alan Savory's method of reversing desertification and thus capturing CO2 through regenerative agriculture, which uses a so-called holistic management of cattle (or other grazing animals) to restore the land.
Silvopasture sequesters almost as much carbon as mangroves. I've mentioned him a few times over the years, he's been a huge impact on permaculture, and regenerative agriculture. Project Drawdown has Silvopasture as one of the most impactful changes humans can do. drawdown.org/solutions/silvopasture
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy thank you for confirming my exact thoughts!
Thanks for another tour - nice to see the peaches. Unfortunately it looks like my buds on the peach tree. Only one leaf came out in the spring, and I haven't seen any buds even swelling. There are a couple of small branches that have died back, and I've pulled a couple of suckers from the rootstock. It's hard to tell if I should just buy a replacement tree or wait for next year to see if it can bounce back.
Are you somewhat near me? Did you get that really warm February week? Everywhere around here lost every single peach because buds swelled on a Feb week that hit 15C, then it went to -40C after. I'd give it another year, and see how it does next year for sure. That being said, there's no reason you can't buy a really small whip of a new tree and plant it in the drip edge of that peach, and have them grow up together. Once the smaller one hits 3-4 years old, you can cut out the larger one.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Yes, that's exactly what I think happened. I'm a bit east of you and we were +12 to -32. Thanks for the recommendation - I think I'll give this a try.
(Reason #300 why it's awesome to have someone in roughly the same conditions with a stellar youtube channel)
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31:20 Planned obsolescence was actually first proposed in the early 1900s, if memory serves. It was suggested again more prominently after WWII to help the economy boom after the war, again if memory serves.
"The origin of the phrase planned obsolescence goes back at least as far as 1932 with Bernard London's pamphlet Ending the Depression Through Planned Obsolescence."
I may be living to close to a natural forest LOL. I was thinking of buying berry bushes to plant in my yard. Yesterday I had second thougths about that when I had a mama bear and her two cubs in my yard searchng for food. Maybe not a great idea as I also have neighbors.🤔
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I'm curious if you could propagate something like blueberries well away from your house, to keep them from needing to come to your land. I.e. feed them where you want them to be, then maybe any food you plant at your place may be slightly more bear-free
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I'm planting Jerusalem artichokes this year in my food forest. I'm hoping to put them in an area that continuously gets overgrown by thistles. The hope is that they will take over and shade out the thistles.
I've never done it to thistles, but zi would suspect they would work. My only concern is the soil. Thistles are pioneers and thrive in compacted low nutrient soils. Jerusalem Artichokes can grow like weeds, but they really do enjoy a little fertility. I would recommend throwing down 3 inches of manure on the area first, then shredded leaves on top of it. Then plant the Jerusalem Artichokes into it next spring, or this fall.
It's in an area of my food forest in which I put down a very thick layer of hardwood mulch last year that has broken down into pretty good soil. I don't know how if thistles got started but they've totally taken over. But I have strawberries and fruit trees growing in the same piece of ground that are thriving as well. It's just those damn thistles!
Okay, they should do alright there. Keep 1 or 2 in a pot, so that you have a backup incase they don't thrive there. 1-2 is all you need to turn into hundreds.
The purple plant he mentions in the video growing in the food forest under the canopy of the tree. Whats the name and whats its benefit?
Comfrey?
Yes that's comfrey, Symphytum spp. Specifically my variety is the bocking 14 variety. It's a great nutrient accumulator. For more details, see this scientific paper www.researchgate.net/publication/325079408_The_Nutrient_Content_of_Organic_Liquid_Fertilizers_in_Zimbabwe
Great video again. My food forest is getting wilder. Im on my 4th year. I was wondering if your JA ever bloom. Mines haven’t yet. Might be my climate im in zone 5. Cheers
They bloom very late. Mine usually sometime end of August.
Have you ever considered keeping honey bees? This is my second year keeping bees on the homestead and I highly recommend it
They were a large part of this video =p
Did you watch the video????
Yes I did. Some how I missed the showing the bee yard after the clip of hiving the swarm. I got excited about the swarm...
I'm at 10:30, might have to change this later. Ever since the Agricultural revolution, 10000 years ago, humans gathered in communities and, literally, ate themselves out of house and home with unsustainable agriculture practices. It was called "desertification". They didn't know why the deserts kept expanding to swallow their settlements, they just ran to a new area to start the cycle again.
The fertile crescent is the most widely known climate change caused by agriculture. But the great wall of china is the result of a creeping desert. The resulting conflict between Tibet and China was addressed by building the wall.
Trouble is, if we talk about meeting our basic needs as a climate change issue, that brings up the over population issue. Most people don't want to talk about that.
It seems likely the world population is set to peak and then start declining, at least according to some projections, but I fear human greed and the exploitation of our planet will only increase :(
Unfortunately, although population is indeed predicted to decline, some estimates believe that the actual steady state sustainable human population is somewhere around 1-2 billion. Other estimates will claim it's in the 30-40B range. Such wild variances, and I think a lot of it depends on what society looks like. If we're just pillagers of nature (like we are currently), then it's likely 1-2B. If we can somehow design smart cities, integrated growing systems on buildings, production at the source, mass transportation, work from home economy, etc), then it's likely higher.
However, if we just continue as status quo, it's likely 1-2B as a sustainable human society. So us slowing down isn't itself a parachute. We NEED to reform society, economics and politics in tandem.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Whoever says 30-40B is smoking some serious opium! There's 15.77 billion acres of habitable land. 0.5 acres or less per person? I don't think so!
if we all subscribe to permaculture techniques, I go by 4-5 acres per person. That makes 3-4 billion Using technology to make use of desert and mountainous areas, we could probably get 5 billion.
Population is not something that can be "solved". So reduction in consumption, restoration of degraded land, and change in agricultural practices are the options we are left with.
That is what I see right now with ever expanding wars. We can talk about it now but if we ignore the problem we will fight about it later
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy fixing all tree problems at once will be a feat that I hope to see some day
Well, it's really, as always, all about the money and politics.This is end-stage capitalism where our culture is all about consumption, accumulating wealth, selling and buying stuff at any cost. In third-world countries where some of the effects of climate change are felt most acutely, extremely corrupt governments and corporations are putting their citizens in an almost constant state of war, homelessness and food insecurity. Why are there so many refugees willing to risk death to flee their homes - because the alternative seems worse, for them and their children. I do think that some of our younger generation are beginning to see the futility of "keeping up with the Jonses", but their digital world is also awash in comparisons of the accumulation of "stuff". When people get desperate and feel disconnected from the ability to control their lives, they get angry and crazy - hence, Trump. We live on a little piece of land and practice permaculture/food growing, eat plant-based, buy mostly used clothing/furniture. It is a nice, little oasis. But to what end, I am not sure. Most everybody else does not do these things. It is depressing. We are grey hairs, so will not see this play out to its bitter end, unless someone pulls that proverbial trigger and blows it all up in one big conflagration. It is possible that we will get ourselves out of this or we may end up being the most spectacular, and short-lived, species to roam this beautiful earth. Wish that more people viewed the earth as many indigenous peoples often did, realizing that we don't really own anything, but are simply caretakers of a miraculous gift that is ours to either nurture or destroy.
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What would be the downsides of higher energy costs?
Everything in society would cost more, and I would argue that a large portion of society would be at devastating levels of poverty. Crime and poverty have a very strong correlation. Probably the most terrifying aspect will be food costs, as current industrial agriculture is entirely dependant on coal oil and gas, not only for the actual gas, but also for the fertilizer that is all created from it also.
So in short, the downside is complete and utter societal collapse.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy This makes sense. Would the consequences of higher energy costs be more or less dire in your opinion, than lower cost? I see the point you were making in this video at least my take on what you were saying is that lower energy costs carries with it more recklessness thus worsening the problem. At least simplified. Perhaps if general responsibility levels were increased in conjunction, free energy would be ideal. The trick might be bootstrapping everyones competency up so that free energy could be paired with responsibility. On this subject I'm pessimist
Yeah you've hit on the fundamental problem. They are both equally bad, for different reasons. The challenge that we face, is how to deal with multiple problems (existential threats even), which all have competing, or even, mutually exclusive solutions.
For this problem... energy being expensive collapses society. Energy being cheap opens up new areas of resource extraction, prolongs how long our current unsustainable society remains financially feasible, and walks us toward near term human extinction.
The fundamental flaw in this analysis of zero possible solution, is that all outcomes are determined by the need to preserve current society. However, when it is the design of current society which is causing these problems, then we hit this Paradox.
This is why it's so terrifying when you see countries like the US, China, and India say that they are going to take big actions to fix climate change and resource depletion, but will not allow those very solutions to impact the quality of life of its citizens.
What if it is exactly our current societal design which is causing those symptoms?
The ONLY way out of this, is to correct overshoot.
The ONLY way to do that is to consume less.
The ONLY way to do that, is to restructure the entire economy, capitalism, societal goals and expectations.
Currently we are consuming 2 earth's worth of resources. If we are then to also attempt to equitably help the disenfranchised, we would need 8 earth's of resources. So that means that the average north American would need to reduce their consumption by 8 times over.
So that's the question. How do we do that without collapsing society, when most people live paycheck to paycheck?
Thankfully it's the rich who consume the most. So let's start by eating them.
Another food forest th-cam.com/video/f27o5hh1HkM/w-d-xo.html for inspiration. Another way of looking at poisonous insects and animals th-cam.com/video/lNxfDycrAmU/w-d-xo.html You never know what can be useful
I hate the fact that we are a throw-away society. When's the last time you heard of a TV repairman?
A friend of mine just sold their house. They redid the floors, tore out all the carpet (this was the upgraded nice carpet) that was only 4 years old - they are serial movers. They tore that all out and put in brand new wood floors to help sell the house. The buyers didn't like the color, tore out all the brand new wood floors and redid them with brand new darker color wood floors. This is the kind of absolutely abhorrent thing that is normal to do now. Infact, the entire reno industry, popularized by all the home shows on TV, it has really amplified our alread toxic throwaway culture.
The repair stuff drives me nuts too. When is the last time someone stitched clothing or a ripped couch back together. Reupholstered an old sofa, etc. It's all just "let's do a dump run and get new stuff".
What will your ideal world look like? Everyone is a survivalist or something in between?
No, just a general reduction in footprint. Not just carbon footprint but resource and waste footprint. Right now people don't even think about the consequences of their purchases. For example, I'm thirsty, I'll go get an iced coffee at MacDornayleds for $1. Yumm, tasty iced coffee, now lets throw this plastic cup in the trash, and no second thought to that whole transaction.
But where does that plastic go?
Or, hey look at this amazing deal on Armandzon online shopping. I can get this for $50 at the local mom/pop store, or $40 from warllymart, but here it's only $38.99, shipped for free to my door. No second thought to that transation.
But where does this product come from? Where was it produced? How much materials were used for it? Do you even need that thing? Does it actually make your life better? Do you value $11 more than the pollution from shipping this thing across the world?
Or what about how everything is now electrified? Heck, we don't even open our own doors anymore. We don't use human power to brush our teeth anymore. So many things are electrified out of convenience, and not necessity. And I'm not saying that using a battery toothbrush is killing the planet, but at the same time, that level of societal normalcy IS.
At the end of the day, this isn't "my ideal world". This is just reality. We are using 2 Earths worth of resources every year. Earth overshoot day is end of July/Early Aug this year. This isn't "my new society", this new society will either be forced upon us, or we can choose it. The longer we delay, the more degraded that society will be. See my overshoot video which discusses in detail how even momentary overshoot causes erosion of carrying capacity, and how we've been in overshoot for 60+ years.
I think a big thing in how we deal with this is how do we deal with human population, dense human city centers. How do we make those as "green" as possible. Then also, since rural per-capita footprint is even higher than cities, how we do fundamentally change society so that the rural areas don't need to drive as much. Does EVERYONE need to drive into the office? We should be striving to have anyone who can work from home, work from home. Not, "well I have to drive in, everyone else should", or not "we get more collaboration by in person offices", but rather, lets do what's best for the planet. That's working from home in every single instance where it's even remotely possible. If we do all this, radically transform what is normal in society, and constantly make choices that are the best for the planet, not the best for convenience, then maybe, just maybe we can leave a livable world for our great great great (7 generations down the line) grandkids.
In short, we need a return to 7-generational thinking.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy I'm a bit older than you and can remember when paper bags, paper cups and paper straws were sold. All of a sudden in early 1980's, all you could find were plastic. Common sense told you this was not eco-friendly. Dense cities are hopefully on their way out because they make humans dependent. The more independent you are, the more good common sense decisions you make.
I believe a lot of our problems are in consumerism. Why do we need to buy these products just for them to break as soon as warranty is up. Appliances to vehicles to everyday products. I personally would rather spend more money on a product that will last for years not months. Or days. I’ve seen products bust the moment they left the packaging.. some stuff can be recycled but let’s face it.. it will end up in landfills and we will be out replacing it. It may be driving the economy but it’s a waste of resources. People want cheap garbage from China and that’s what they will fill the shelves with
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I’ll try to keep this brief but I want to share a few points that I believe need to be understood. First I should say that I align more on the conservative side of the political spectrum so I’m sure we will disagree on a few things. That being said I also agree with a lot of points on the left side as well (ex. Gay marriage, sustainable ag, environmental issues, etc…) Here in the states we have extremely far left media and extremely far right media with nothing in between. It’s more profitable for them to be this way. Neither side is held accountable for what they pass on to their viewers. They can legally leave out important facts in order to sway their viewers and cause division amongst the citizens. To say someone who watches fox is getting wrong information is correct. How much of the time, I’m not sure. But CNN is just as bad. One thing that we all need to focus on is things we can agree on that will make a positive impact on our lives and also nature and our planet. We can all agree that we need healthy food for example. Please remember the old saying “you’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar”. We need a media outlet that is willing to cross political lines and make their information planet oriented instead of politically oriented. We don’t have that. The left media likes to try to act like that’s what they’re doing but in reality they’re only in it for the profit as well. No different than Fox. You always have to follow the money before you believe anything anyone says. Even scientists and doctors. Follow the money because right now probably 90% of the population makes decisions on things by how much money they will gain from such decisions. Morals, unfortunately, have very little to do with it nowadays
Definitely agree with all of that! You should also read the video description if you haven't yet, because I rip into the left. I agree, lies and deceipt on both far extremes :)
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy we need to come together on this. I think the only way is to find common ground. The future of humanity depends on it.
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I see this nonsense (opinion) of using technology to solve the carbon overload, the use of asphalt, the cement condo towers without any actual power reductions as just permission to create more havoc with not just the environment, but the people themselves. Locally the city planning is about creating "heat traps" with black, grey surfaces up the towers, natural gas heat, and so little insulation that on a warm day, everyone has open windows.
BBC Future has some good ideas as does the Guardian. BUT they're looking at innovation, not regeneration of nature.
I set up the wormery just to cut back, as little as I do make, on reducing food waste.
I finally made cold compost that actually looks fairly good.
I walk more than I ever did. Yes, I am a "boomer" but rarely bought much I couldn't use for years.
Repairable, quality items have been my way, mostly because I am just too cheap. 😊
My own personal hatred is plastics. Why wrap food, especially grains, in three layers of plastic? 🤬
Oh it drives me nuts. It's one of the reasons I hate buying ANYTHING. Everything wrapped in plastic.
I would love to see all of the measuring stations data instead of jest a graph. Coldest spring in years here in newfoundland. June 17 and we still have frost warning and was 6°c yesterday so my part of the Atlantic is below average. The more this climate naritive go's on the more I question why? So we are cutting nitrogen use of all kinds organic and chemical by 30% in canada. Netherlands shut down 3000 farms. Britain is forcing a falow on your fields every 3 years. Germany is doing pretty much the same. Ukraine and Russia are off line and the states jest got some rain to fill the aquafireds but we are in an El Nino. so more hot and dry . Grow some food for yourself and tell the others to jump off a bridge if they say you can't.
Food is going to get more expensive. Not liking to be a pessimist jest realistic.
Then you'll definitely enjoy reading the recent IPCC reports. Then again, depending on where someone gets their news, they may see an international panel of scientists as some global cabal trying to create some new normal of mind control, or whatever the ridiculous story is these days. As for cooler weather... Indeed, these abnormally cool spring/summer IS part of climate instability. For example, some parts of the world are expected to get COOLER, due to ocean currents breaking down. From England and up to Sweden, across to greenland then over to Labarador and down the coast of NA are all likely to actually cool (although in more chaotic ways where there are more extreme warms/colds, but the overall trend is a cooling one). This is due to the breakdown of AMOC (the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation). However, at the same time as this isn't a "good thing" due to climate instability, it also facilitates the arctic and antarctic warming, which is happening at 3-5x faster than the global average.
For us, we lost ALL peaches this year due to 15C February week which caused the peach buds to swell, followed by -40C winter nights, killing them all. All around me is the same. When pears bloomed this year, almost every tree's north side had zero blooms for the same reason. Climate instability killed the buds. This isn't just me, all around us, same thing. And yes, this has happened in the past, but it's getting more and more common. Yes our spring has been cool, but mid Feb we had record highs. That's the thing, it's not about warming, it's about instability with an overall warming averaged trend.
In fact, Climate change was renamed from global warming to climate change to help try to explain these differences and get a better wording for what's actually happening. Sure, we are warming despite being in an overall cooling 1000 year trend, which is bad enough, but not only are we warming, but it's getting more "noisy", more chaotic. So instead of calling it Global warming, they changed it to climate change. However, the misinformation crew loved this, and said "see it used to be called global warming and they changed the name because they were wrong, checkmate scientists!". It's sad and pathethic, and the worst thing is... it worked on many people. It's just what certain media needs to convince people that status quo should continue, and we should continue ravaging the planet for profits, and people just lap it up and believe it because nobody does any research any longer, and just believe what they are told in media.
I agree with the rest of your post too. Some of these things, such as forcing fallow years, are done from other aspects. When farmers never use fallow years, and also plant heavy feeder crops like corn, then they essentially mine soils. After 50-100 years of this, farms have nothing left, and get sold because they become unprofitable. Moves like this, forcing farmers to have fallow years, are done with the intention of preserving farmland. It's a short term trade in production, for ensuring that the farm doesn't turn into a dustbowl. Most permies will understand the mechanics of this, but to the layperson, it seems backwards. This is why it's really dangerous when people don't understand things, and get upset about them. It's why it's super frustrating to be the people doing the RIGHT things, but having people tell you that you are wrong.
Also, if people think this year is going to be bad for food (and it is, look at some of the wheat stories coming out of Ukraine, and look at the declining production of equatorial farms during this extremely dry and hot early spring), get used to it, because the longer we ignore these problems, they get worse. Combined with a declining oil system (and I don't mean "climate change people saying OIL BAD", I just simply mean that we're on the downward side of Hubbert's curve, and coal oil and gas are non-renewables which have constant increasing consumption curves - that only leads to 1 place), and when you break down international shipping because fuel gets more expensive and is no longer profitable, just wait and see what happens in the next 10-15 years to food prices.
So we either get ahead of this, or we just walk right off the cliff. Many people are so short sighted that they say "things have never been better" and are perfectly content to walk right off the cliff, because they don't see it's there, or they think it's far enough away that it's not going to be something they'll have to deal with. We've collectively gone from "7 generational thinking", trying to make the world better for our future great great great grandkids, to a generation of people who say "screw you, I'm going to get mine" to their grandkids.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy wow, great reply
I thought i was being paranoid about our new source for energy here in Newfoundland causing the next big tectonic plate shift but when i hear scientists like yourself talk about this reality. It makes sense. Im not sure if this source of nitrogen fuel is a step towards climate change by 2030. What are our other options?
Number one option for fixing the power prpglem is reduction. Massive reduction. We are going to need it, because the ICE to EV car swap is going to hammer out power grids.
As far as what power we should have, a mix of nuclear, wind, solar, hydro, geothermal with a very small component of natural gas is good. Each power type has its pros and cons, and a mix provides resilience. Ontario's grid is very nice actually. Going forward, we need more power.
I just fear that we are going to try to do a replacement economy, where we take this unsustainable economy and try to make it as green as possible, instead of what we should be doing, which is constricting our global footprint so that we are no longer in overshoot.
That's going to be hard to do, especially with China and India doing their own industrial revolutions.
For equity, it means that North America and Europe probably need to be cut in a quarter, so that other countries can be more fair. How to convince people that this needs to happen? I think its impossible. So I'm not sure we will ever voluntarily exit overshoot, which means we will resolve ourselves to slowly eroding carrying capacity and quality of life, and when overshoot catches up with our poor grandchildren, the quality of life they will be able to have will be greatly diminished.