I crashed 1000 times racing up Pikes Peak. Here’s what I’ve learned for the real race
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For anyone sim racing in a roller chair, put the back wheel inside some shoes. It's not perfect, but it helps.
I always gotta make sure my chair has it's racing shoes on
Putting your chair on carpet will also dramatically increase rolling resistance without outright stopping the chair from rolling.
I think he has 3d printer and there are coasters available on thingiverse
You can also buy little rubber bottomed cups that are made to go under furniture that fit chair wheels pretty much perfectly and allow no slip if you’re chair is on a hard surface.
Then the only movement you get is the flex of the chair, and you won’t ruin the soles of your shoes.
i just drape an old packing blanket under it.
Being an Assetto Modder and watching rob play around in content manager and assetto makes me happy
I was just about to comment similar to this, buddy has only scratched the surface let's hope he uses sol 😂 and sorts his ffb settings
@@callumsmith2900 😂😂 thought of that too but knowing rob comes from an IT and programming background I’m sure he ahead of the game 😎
bro needs csp and pure
What do you think of BeamNG drive comparing to Assetto
@@rian0xFFF underrated game, acquired taste lol. It’s multiplayer functionality and modding ease isn’t the same as assetto , not friendly to use for everyone but in terms of its physics and logic for cars it’s better than assetto in realistic simulation
"Guys the question i am gonna answer in this video is if I will die at Pikes Peak, so lets get right in to it"
Maybe not, perhaps, most likely.
A bad simulation is worse than no simulation at all when trying to build muscle memory for the real thing.
Sincerely: FPV drone pilot.
Underrated, why is no one paying attention to this man over here??
Im an FPV pilot myself and I would say its not 100% true.
For the initial contact its okay. Learning the basics and all that kinda stuff. Yes. Some muscle memory as well. Since you need to react to different appearances.
Like throttle down while doing a flip and something.
Sure the simulator is off the reality, but you are not flying (or driving) the same either all the time.
So it will be different between models as well. Not really something to complain about.
The problem with simulator starts between mediocre and experienced drivers, as rob is.
When you want to focus on one thing and and do it over and over again, without switching to something else.
Then. 100% agreed. A bad sim, is worser than no sim, as you start to trains bad habits "in-depth". So getting rid of them, will be a hell of a nightmare.
AC with all updates is awesome!
I was wondering how accurate this could be when Rob mentioned the imposible suspension angles on the modded rx-7.
You shood get a steering wheel with good force feedback and you shod get pedals with adjustable springs. I would recommend MOZA Racing or Fanatec. Hope this helps and i wish you good luck with racing
He has a direct drive from Asetek, not sure why most of the video didn't include anything from that wheel.
VR too if his brain agrees with it similar view to inside a helmet and have depth perception, makes a hell of a difference
With the shitshow fanatec is going through rn, I’d hold off
I was wondering the same thing TBH. Once upon a time (mid 1990's) I had a Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro joystick (that connected to my sound card). I LOVED that thing for flight sims. 99% of the steering wheel controllers had zero feedback so I never got into driving simulators.
@@jennytrimberger9120 From what I've heard they're finally getting out of their backlog, also they just got acquired. Just sayin. That being said I'd get a MOZA lol
As a motorsport engineering student i would recommend reading race car vehicle dynamics by milliken & milliken to learn more about suspension design and race car design.
this is the way
Is this understandable for hobbyists? I wanna optimize my cars but dont just want to go by trial and error
He has. I dont know the video, but it was probably during the 4 rotor build, but he talked about the book and showed it on video
@@StreetArchiveee I suggest you just start reading it or any book/documentation about it
@@StreetArchiveeeBetter off reading Tune to Win by Carroll Smith first, Race Car Design by Derek Seward before reading RCVD. RCVD by Milliken&Milliken is pretty much a reference book and is math heavy. Tune to Win and Race Car Design have some more practicable use
As someone who drives around in Assetto Corsa VR for fun, this was a pleasantly unexpected video to see from Rob Dahm.
Also this was slightly mentioned in the video already, but definitely go for a direct drive wheel if you can.
Direct Drive wheels are the best that you can get because of how instant the force-feedback is. Some wheelbases (mostly in the 10nm+ range) can produce as much torque as the steering in a real car, but even more importantly they can also convey the fine grainy details of the road through the wheel like a real car would.
Thrustmaster has a DD wheelbase, but you can also get them from Moza, Fanatec, Simagic, Simicube, Cammus and probably a bunch of other companies I'm forgetting.
With the money he has at his disposal he needs to invest in a Qubic rig. If hes being serious about racing, and He clearly IS. The investment is well worth it. Force feedback wheel is one thing, but actually feeling the rear end kick sideways, or feeling it loose traction gradually rather then reacting to it visually from on screen cues... Game changer. Feeling the on and off camber of the roadways.. Massive.
Nah belt drive is fine. If someone wants to spend money, then the money is better spent on load cell brake pedal first than a fancy wheel.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 Motion rigs are way overrated, and many of them can even make you a WORSE driver due to their overtuning which is why most racing teams don't even use them. The price to benefit ratio is terrible. It's better to just stick to the basics, which would be a cheap linear >10nmn direct drive, front and rear bass shaker, simagic brake system, and a stiff aluminum rig. All together it would be under 1500$, compared to a motion rig which alone is over $3000 for the cheapest types.
I found my people...
@smallbutdeadly redbull x2012 at the ring... what's your favorite combo?
@superbarny dd base wheel pedal combos can be had for $400 now. Belt and gear drive can still be fun, but DD is where it's at.
@amazin706 you are correct sir. Got the DoF 3axis, for rally... worth every penny. For open wheel, gt and touring on pavement... it's not a valid price to performance expense. A transducer on the other hand should be in every rig. Feeling the engine, shifts and road textures enhances the experience to the point your rig feels broken without them once you get a taste.
knowing that rob is a fellow beam player, makes me happy as hell
beamng is goated, I got over 1.5khrs
@@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx I almost have 400 hours 😂
beamNG is where it's at
This is AC... Content Manager...??
@@ryantucker2164 have you not watched the whole video?
Being a sim racer and watching rob makes me really happy.
I just wish he was asking somebody to help him set up a proper Sim Setup that will blow his mind😅
he is. me.
Tip for improving your driving: drive slower cars because when you drive faster ones you tend to rely more on power, but in slower cars you are forced to have the best lines, brake in the perfect time and use more technique rather than just pressing the throttle. Actually, about that, racing people with faster cars does the same effect and it's really fun.
For improving on a regular race circuit I agree, but in this case I think he’s better off (after learning the full road) to use more similar hp cars to the rx7 for learning breaking zones and just the speed difference. A flat out corner in a low hp car might be a half throttle/coasting corner in a high hp car
I would say it depends on the skill level of the driver. At the very beginning it's best to learn how to drive slow cars fast. But as your skill level goes up, eventually you will plateau and not go much faster. The car sets the limit at that point, not the driver. So from there, if you switch to faster cars, you will start to improve your skills again. And then finally, by going back to the slower car after driving fast ones, you will be able to drive it faster than you did before. So, at some point I believe you should practice in something that's FASTER than what you are actually going to race. So that your own limit has a chance to be higher than, or at least on par with, the limit of the car.
Showroom shouldn't be used for physics visualization. It doesn't necessarily display the in-game outputs for geo. All it does is draw the points input into suspensions.ini.
None of the cars that come with AC have accurate suspension geometries; or accurate anything. They're not reference points for how the real cars are.
So painful having to drive on that tiny laptop monitor, I'm sure you're gonna upgrade that with priority, right?
(edit: ahhhh the VR headset, good call!)
I think bruh has a vr set. Probably on the laptop for our sake to show us
he does have a monitor, look towards the end of the episode. Though... since Origin is owned by Corsair, they technically could get him a Xenon Flex for the rig if enough people buy the laptops from the link xd
@@hanablemoore8239 100%. Personally, VR is the best way to play Assetto Corsa, and you don't even need to use as much space for it compared to Triples either.
Rob should get a vr headset for full imersion.
I am sure Rob is in a situation, and definitely has the background, to sort out any setup he fancies
Hey Rob, It actually might be beneficial to get a wheel that has enough torque to realistically simulate what a real car will feel like. I used the lower end of wheels (gear/belt driven) for many years and finally had the opportunity to get a direct drive wheel - albeit, only a Moza R5 (5.5nm of torque)
Having force feedback is one thing, but to actually have to essentially "fight back" with the wheel is a game changer. With the lower end, I never felt like I could really do what I wanted to in fear of the small motor being damaged or plastic not being able to take the force. Aside from the general performance benefits of a direct drive, they also have alot more capabilites in terms of configuration that can make it feel that much better - things like the way the steering rack feels, or the natural inertia that a car has and feeling that as you try to turn
None-the-less, great work out there!!! Keep it up :)
He already has an asetek invicta, either footage of using it got cut from the end or there will be a follow up video
Hypnodog on your steam friends list 😂
his inbox is STONKS right about now XD
the VR headset brightness issue you mentioned could be from HDR. the headset you have doesn't support HDR, so when you switch to VR go into your windows settings and turn it off. I'd just leave the settings bar open all the time so you can switch it quickly. (just in case you don't know the path is right click on the windows icon- settings- system- display- switch "use HDR" off, or on when you're done.)
It's either that or a specific Content Manager setting I forgot about, but I remember having a similar problem with VR.
Someone gotta tell him he can change the steering wheel too cuz that one is too small
He did, you can see an Asetek at 1:55 .
Rob saying launching in second gear is his secret at 16:53 gave me some serious Todd Rogers vibes lmao that's how you get a world record right there lol
15:50 NAHHHH 😂😂
what could he be doing?
probably givin a handie to a handy man named mandy
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO BRO DOING THE DOUBLE WHAMMER
BeamNG makes you terrified to go fast! Dont forget Rob, hit "Q" when you first load up a car to put it in "realistic" transmission mode so you can actually time the shifts.
Makes me happy Rob mentions Helldivers.
Load cell pedals, then VR/ultrawide/triple monitor setup, then direct drive wheel in that order!
Back when I got a T500RS, I tried it just a few times and quickly got frustrated with the potentiometer brake. I think there was a spring upgrade kit included in the package and after installing it, it was "better" but there is just no way to make braking even remotely realistic with a system that is based on pedal position, rather than force. I then ordered a load cell amplifier and a cheapo 35kg (IIRC) load cell. Never got an actual rig for it and therefore it's been mostly sitting. Even the power brick stopped working after sitting so long without power.
Nothing but great positivity to say about ur driving program and the efforts of the three rotor car to be finished. I hope when finished with pikes peak you and ur team will have much to be proud of ur accomplishments.
As a thorough BeamNG enjoyer, I was pleased to see it mentioned, my PB is 8:50, 1 minute slower than the WR, did it in the FR18 mod, which is a formula 1 style car.
Someone should get the 4-rotor into Assetto Corsa, so that I can drive it around the amazing Shutoko Tokyo Expressway!
I mean, if we're talking Assetto Corsa here, the Shutoko Revival Project is one of the most breathtaking mods out there for the game.
They've got SRP in Beam too now.
Im so invested into BeamNG with the driving accuracy and other things. So it has caught me extremely offguard seeing it here, thought he was also gonna play Beam in VR when I saw the Quest2 😆😆
someone get this man a TV!
So excited to see this car in person
Love the Helldivers name i laughed my ass off. My son's got me playing it also and i kinda like it.
Rob I can see you making a crazy sim set up. Practice is practice
Love the nerdiness of this episode!
seeing you start diving into assetto and the physics data of cars makes me hopeful for a proper, correct version of the 4 rotor in ac.
the biggest issue with sims is it feels like THE INSTANT your car loses traction, its just gone and unrecoverable, and steering angle doesnt affect it quite right except in select ones
Seeing Rob using a sim to train is awesome. Been sim racing for a few months and I'm hooked
God damn, a decade of drifting, touge racing and and recently track racing in Assetto and it so nice to see people finally open their eyes to benefit of using the simulator, being able to prepare yourself before the track day, or learn drifting before you even buy a real drift car is honestly an amazing feeling. Makes you so much better as a driver too
I always feel joy when I see legends like Rob or even random people out there use Assetto Corsa with content manager and some mods. Keeping the community vibrant and growing!
Can't wait to watch him drive off the mountain for real😂😂❤❤
Next project 100% needs to be a new chassis for the 4 rotor! Built the right way and exactly how you want/need it
Can’t wait to see you on track!! I’ll be at glen cove
Really looking forward to my drive to the springs. I can't wait to see all of this hard work pay off!
I hope you enjoy your stay in our beautiful city. 🤘
@@thatrealba Definitely will! I have a bunch of friends who live there too so it's going to be a hell of a weekend!
Where you watching from? I’ll be up at Devil’s Playground for the first time so I really hope the weather is as perfect again as it was last year!
@@MuchoBoosto7 I'll be at Devil's too :) we'll see about that weather. I've never watched from Devil's before, only Glen Cove.
@@cjclarkson3767 awesome dude! I was at Ski Area last year, loved it so much. I really wish Robin was bringing his car again this year, that thing is incredible
Those origin pc laptops are monsters though they are literal desktop replacements with actual desktop components inside they're amazing
Seeing Rob on the sim is just foreign to me. Keep up the grind.
I have the same set up for sim racing minus the sparco seat, it’s so much fun.
Rob dahm plz livestream 13:14 ❤we would love to see the progress on the sim
From what I recall, AC has always been criticized for it's "on ice" tire model. I think there are mods to change that. I would definitely recommend chatting around online, primarily in Discord, and you can probably find people willing to mod your 3 Rotor into Beam NG/AC.
Jeremy Toye's zx10 run, is the best one cam uncut vid, I've found, to learn the mountain.
Without shaders it shows it's age!
Also I respect Rob that much more! I love this!!!!
srsly
That mod track is also old af. Almost 10 years and probably converted from an older sim too.
Awesome rob!
4:57 serious faced Rob 😆
Focus Daniel son!
Great to see more and more drivers realize how much building a custom AC car and sim seat time can help in the actual race.
The helldivers username was funny as f**k.
8:20 Wow! Those spectators are cold as ice. They believed in you, Rob!
One thing I lurnd doing swisty mountain roads is let the out side of the corner guide you in because on a on caber corner your elevation will be hier than your apex and will give you a couple more feet to read the up coming corner. It also sets you up for spins on turn ins .also slow it down and practice what you lurnd at the driving schools you got this buddy.
20:18 tips for steam, you can automatically display fps for steam games in the settings of steam itself for no fps hit. you can also opt-in for the nvidia beta (maybe its not beta anymore) to do win + z and display fps so you can show what the actual fps is
Love this!
I do about 21-23hrs a week (not the most not the least) sim racing before bed, after work then gym then self time building shit in garage, then family time, then racing, then bed.
what I've learned that helps a ton when I visit these tracks in real life after practicing on the sim is: turning off all the hud info so there's no floating informations for you to rely on, change the zoom and viewing angles so you have better perception of your sides and view of dash board for rpms and fuel, and if youre running with a Co Driver it would be good to have practice with them watching the screen and calling the turns while you're in vr.
but most of all at least just turn off all the floating info. You'll feel the difference in the sim
Great content, pikes peak is on GPS, so would that help? During race?
Thank you for the sim racing love and support! I’d recommend getting yourself a Moza R12 and some load cell pedals for a truly humbling experience ;)
VR is great for depth perception. Adds a lot. If you got a direct drive base you could use your steering wheel from the car.
Excited for a sim rig upgrade 😂
Will surely follow this Pikes Peak build! Btw, is the frame rate for that sim really that low?
For your bright screen on the quest, try disabling HDR in the game or Windows. I know that tends to cause a similar issue when it comes to screen projecting so it might be that.
i just commented this before i saw your comment lol.
I also sit on a rolling chair in my sim... just with the roller removed and replaced with feets and the seat straped with zip ties in a way it doenst move left and right when you steer or push pedals...
best way to learn a layout is by driving it slow until you know it like the way home from work, then adding throttle
Nice tag in helldivers xD
I was literally about to suggest checking out BeamNG for training and in that exact moment he pulled it up😂
It makes me extremely happy to see some BeamNG content on here
So accurate it’s even almost over heating 😂
The first sim is displaying your progress on stage in kilometers. Might be able to use that to help keep track of where turns are. It could also be a way to give yourself a rough reminder of where you are.
my boiiiiiiihat pA! glad to see my circle come full circle lol
love the fact you tried beamng. Its a really good game physics wise. You can even use mods for rx7, tires, turbos, etc
I'm gonna get the same car and see if I can get a similar time - I practice Pikes all the time on AC. I've always wondered how much that practice will translate over.
Going to be awesome 🏆
Great steam name man
I think that SolidWorks is pretty effective for simulating suspension forces and movement.
i cannot recall what you're using. It would be interesting to see todays cars on the old gravel/dirt course/road.
That set up he was first using is a setup I have now LOL wheel, pedal, stand, all the same.
If you want the full experience you need 3 screens positioned like it was the windows of the car with force feedback with full tilt and yaw feedback on the seat.
Thanks to GT2, Im sure could set some pretty impressive lap times on Tahiti Road and Laguna Seca in a WRX.
What a crazy video, you're having like 1 for 1 the same exact experience I'm having with my laptop, I even have the same wheel and pedals, and have driven Pikes Peak in BeamNG, which is the main sim I play on. It really is wild seeing you having pretty much the same laptop experience though, having something like that which can so effortlessly run games, screen recording, and 3D modeling software like they do is amazing, I have a Lenovo Legion Pro 7 that has AMD's best CPU, and the 4090 as well.
Having that same wheel though worries me, my T248 broke and yours will too, that thing's drivetrain is extremely hard on the motor bearings, and once those go, they offer no replacement parts for the T248. You'll probably get 600 to 700 ish hours out of it, then that's it, that should be plenty of time, but mine broke in several different ways before the drivetrain failed so I just hope yours doesn't have the same issues. I broke mounting points, buttons, and eventually the drivetrain. The drivetrain of that wheel also makes it super slow compared to pretty much anything else, but you're doing grip driving, not rallying or drifting, so it'll manage, but that wheel ain't great is my point, it really started to get frustrating dealing with its slowness before the drivetrain finally started skipping and eventually killed the motor.
I had an origin 17Inch years ago. It was like 10.5 pounds with the charger brick. Lasted me a good 5 years before I had to upgrade. Went away from origin but I liked the one I had.
so when do you make your car for beamng/asetto corsa with the suspension geometry that the car actually has and the gear ratios/dyno charts that you've actually made yourself/irl....?
lmao watching this as i play beamng has been the highlight of my day
GrAte commercial rob. Suddenly i feel the need to buy a new laptop 😂
If you go into the files in AC where the cars are installed you can easily modify them to the exact torque curve, traction, suspension geometry and weight etc. This way you can try to simulate the car itself on the track. Its mostly stored in text files edit and relaunch. The easiest things you could change is the weight, gearing, boost, torque curve etc. Suspension geometry and car modeling would have to be left up to a modder.
what thrustmaster wheel and pedal combo are you using?i am thinking about getting the T300RS but it looks like you have something else and i would like to look at reviews and comparrison and see which is better.
T300rs is better then his setup
i recommend upping your forcefeed back on the in game setting an it'll feel a little more realistic
Are you going to add an antilag system to the car to counter the high altitude boost lag when you're up near the top?? Would help you get out of those tight corners way quicker
At first few minutes of the video Rob looked like from 90s action movie, I guess Keeps works 😅😅
The best thing about this Video was Rob's Steam name. I'm dying right now. Rob u a troll. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah i recommend you get the Quest 3 if you want to do driving sims more. Better resolution per eye, newer processor(less studders) and it sits a little closer to your eyes so it kind of increases your field of view a little. I use a quest 2 myself(broke boy) but have tried the Quest 3 and really wish i could afford it right now.
Yep, alongside a motion platform V3. Or build your own motion simulator. It’s not too bad, a 3d printer really helps. Research the systems F1 drivers use as well.
If I was building a sim VR setup and I didnt mind spending some money on it, I'd get a Varjo Aero over a Quest3, 100%
Plus, you’ll always crash more on sims so just remember that. In real life, your survival instincts take over and do most of the work. You can feel the car begin to loose grip and will unconsciously let off/adjust. No pressure.
Edit: and learn your racing lines, man!
Imagine Rob contacting on of the bigger modders in Assetto community to both create 1:1 mods of his cars. Both for the fans or for him to actually practice :D
MY 2 FAV THINGS COME TOGETHER BEAM AND ROB
Yeah, beamng gives you pretty great suspension physics. And you can build/tune whatever you want through jbeam.
If you wanna try that, hmu here, if you need help making custom mods for beam. Maps, cars, whatever. Theres already a pikes peak map, but idk how accurate it is.
I would suggest getting a vr headset because playing that far from the screen and having such a small screen is just not great, bigger screen or vr would be perfect to have a more real sensation on whats being like to drive pikes peak, also a good modder could make you a more accurate car suspension wise and with the wings in the correct spot for downforce to simulate your car better, than using a random car mod, i'm pretty sure it's not super hard to do and would make it much more like the real car, but most important is to learn the circuit which any car works for
Also CSP extended physics do improve tyre behaviour a lot so you probably will feel that the tyres aren't as dry feeling and you won't spin out so easly
Hi Rob, I'm going to give some different suggestions that may help. First watch a Doco on a TT Class bike racer Guy Martin and his attempt on pikes peak with a turbo charged motor bike. What he did was outstanding. The other thing is watch your AFR's as you climb 6 K feet to 14 K feet. Also a lot of Australian race drivers use the Pagnian Advanced Simulators, which have real time pedal and seat feedback. Hope you do well.
Cheers Roger.
9:44 this is the spot we spent our weekends snow boarding $100 bucks the 20ft long 18” dia pvc pipe is down that hill. We built a Terrain park there every winter l.
Before I go any further. Did you scan your car and spec into the simulator you’re using for practice? For the Pike Peak run.
Those last 2 min. For people who don't do comp specs in detail. Being able to run all the Autodesk (Fusion 360/3D CAD, etc) stuff and it not caring is alot. Especially in a laptop form factor. Not surprising at all it runs Helldivers at max 4k.
The problem has been yeah you could jam that much performance in a laptop but usually at the cost of cooling. Those Origin laptops are no joke.
Generally you'll want a CAD card for CAD use. That said, I own a CAD business and use a fully loaded EVO-17S. Problem is some CAD programs (such as Solidworks) rely heavily on single threaded processes, which something like the 3080 will not excel at.
Also zero points for Origin customer service. If you have a problem with your laptop, you're on your own. I called about a replacement keyboard key (my dumb ass dropped a pair of calipers on the keyboard) and was quoted $2800 for a replacement, because they'd have to replace the entire frame. I found an OE replacement keyboard on ebay for $100, problem solved.
remember feelings react 5 times faster than responding to something. if you memorise the track based on how you feel you will react so much faster and be a better driver.
I have an Atari and a Sega genesis covered in dust on shelf in shop. Lol. But seeing this. If I had something like it. Really could be habit forming. Hope you get some seat time before the event. I tried a new set up on a track day and was so lost in the car it wasn't fun anymore..
Around 15:50 is where Isaiah was in another room in VR too.
As a fellow assetto corsa enjoyer, I would HIGHLY recommend that you check out "Pikes Peak DiRTY" by Gaben Hood. It's a port for DiRT Rally 1 for assetto corsa but graphically ALOT nicer then the Sim-Traxx version that rob is racing on in the video.
He needs to get a Qubic Rig and quit with the Origin PC sponsor nonsense. anyone actually in the pc gaming world knows they are overpriced and often come assembled/setup wrong. Gamers Nexus reviews showed us that.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 ha mate if a company sent you free PCs I don't think you'd care how well they were put together
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