Basically, Nen can live on and become stronger after the user's death. If the troupe killed the chain user, Kurapika could retaliate and kill the boss since he is defenseless right now.
these dumb dumbs thinking paku accidently infected them, lol - its overall since the boss would never be able to use nen again at the minimum if they killed Kurapika before having someone remove his nen from the boss
So basically to dumb it down, it's like being hunted by a ghost, with nen. There's more to its mechanics of course, but that's the gist. It's extremely simple.
That's the thing, everyone in this show is morally grey. If you can sympathize with the "villains" then that means that they were written well, they are not one dimensional, they are multifaceted and therefore they feel real. Okay so explaining what Phinks said: Nen that's powered by powerful emotions like grief, anger, and hatred can become way more powerful and determined after death, meaning had Kurapika died, his Nen would have probably automatically killed Chrollo. Also Hisoka has standards he doesn't find joy in killing indiscriminately, he enjoys fighting and killing but _only_ powerful people.
@MC Cooper One Piece ? What are you smoking man ? Hxh villains are league above OP's. Doflamingo is the only intresting one (and still Meruem, Hisoka, Chrollo, Pariston, Pouf are better and more complex than him). Jojo had Kira, that's really strong.
Here's the explanation to what they were confused about at the end, like so they can see. Also this comment is edited since I got my explanation slightly wrong, and so I need to avoid confusion. So the answer is, no they cant go after Kurapika now because of what happened to Chrollo. If they kill Kurapika the nen of Kurapika's chain will kill Chrollo. The way Kurapika's nen works is by casting the chain onto a persons heart with a preset condition that will remain there unless removed by Kurapika himself, or someone else with some sort of nen remover ability. Although this isnt really explained this far into the series, and is technically maybe kind of a spoiler, it is a fact that Nen can remain after death. The hate the phantom troupe was speaking of is imbued in the Nen cast on Chrollo by Kurapika, but wont actively attack him because of the condition. If Kurapika dies, the hate in his Nen and the nen itself will live on, and will actively attempt to kill Chrollo despite the condition placed on the Nen. Kurapikas chains isnt affecting anyone else in anyway, so the other troupe members are safe. They now just know they cant talk to Chrollo, or he'll die, and they cant kill Kurapika because that will kill Chrollo. My bad again to everyone, I technically gave you guys that read the pre edited version the wrong explanation. I kind of forgot that despite being life force Nen doesnt really die with the caster, which youll learn more about later. I believe thats all that was wrong with the explanation so there you go.
I think the subtitle they read was just bad and that's why they could not understand what was going on.. I have seen many people in previous episodes commenting about changing the subtitles or the source they are watching HxH from, because it sucks.. Idk
NO no no no no... The concept of Nen-after-death does not require any prerequisites such as a specific command / condition to "activate." It has nothing to do with Kurapika's chains, but rather the "residual Nen" born of his strong emotions. In this case being hatred. Theoretically, even if Kurapika didn't have his chains wrapped around Chrollo's heart, if he died, his hatred could very well linger and attack the Troupe members responsible. Just like what happened to a certain character, from a certain arc, later in this series. That's nen-after death 101. The problem that Phinks pointed out is the fact that Chrollo can't use Nen to defend himself, which could overwhelm him. That's the only part where Kurapika's chains actually played a big role here. This is the only reason why the Troupe can't kill him. Otherwise they'd hunt him down. Long story short, The Troupe can't kill Kurapika because Chrollo can't use Nen to shield himself from overwhelming hatred, not because his "chains" will activate if he dies. It's already activated lol. It's purpose is preventing Chrollo from using Nen and communicating. Again, the hatred is what kills, not the chains.
The Phantom troupe is evil, they're just compelling. But just because you're a character with depth doesn't mean you're not a villain and evil. They killed an entire tribe of people, men, women and children.
Yeah, like Walter White. He's interesting, can say funny stuff, can be likable in his story but he's a piece of shit killer/drug dealer/meth cook that destroyed the lives of people directly and indirectly.
Hisoka is more "evil" then the phantom troupe ( I don't think the spiders are evil) and yet everybody likes him, nobody sees hisoka as bad or evil , but he is
@@leonbelmont4028 the ability to sympathise is a good person quality.people that don't or cant symphasie can be usually branded as evil.again they are still evil for what they have done
@@leonbelmont4028 I cannot necessarily agree with that. What makes the phantom troupe evil? Breaking some laws doesn't make you evil. In my own views, anarchistic lifestyles doesn't make you evil. Clearly the phantom troupe has done plenty of good in the show.
Understandbly, hxh anime viewers always ended up liking the troupe, because the massacre that they did upon the kurta is not explained in detail.. In the manga, it was explained that the troupe tortured the kurtas while they are all alive until they cried blood and changed their eye color to red. Only then were their eyes gouged and then killed. It was gruesome and inhumane. Rob is right, the troupe are still inhumane villains that cares about each other.
Rob is right; the troupe is evil. We as viewers just find them compelling and likeable, but they’re still bad people; genocide just for getting pretty eyes is next level messed up. Don’t be disappointed about not getting a Hisoka/Chrollo fight 😉
togashi actually explained this i think he said no character in hxh is bad/good they all do some level of fucked up shit as well as good stuff they all have committed murder so.. its like trying to measure sins it doesn’t work like that
Exactly, they are interesting because you know they have a cause, and they care about each other, but not good. They killed a room of people and sucked them into a vacuum. And they did steal kurapikas people's eyes!?! Not good.
hellpander kurapika is the same fucking way he kills for his own needs and revenge the troupe take because they never had anything they’re from meteor fucking city where the worst of the worst get tossed troupe isn’t even bad they’re rebuilding their home too so nobody ends like them
@@HxHEli Nah Kurapika is there for a reason he is something the Troupe created with their actions that is now coming back to bite them. Coming from Meteor City coming from nothing doesnt give them the right to kill a whole clan and act better than someone like Kurapika that is driven by it
Pakunoda gave her memories to the founding member of the troop, not the ones that would remain alive. They can all use nen except for Chrollo, the reason they cannot kill Kurapica is that Chrollo has the judgment chain wrapped around his heart and nen does not necessarily disappear if you kill the user.
Another reaction channel that I really like, Heatah22 Reacts, called Meteor City ‘The slums’... never laughed harder in my life then when one of the dudes said, “y’all came to Meteor City, no, y’all came to the Hood and did this... Naw, you didn’t realize, that we got real Thugs out here”
The Phantom troupe are 100% bad people. They just aren't flat villain archetypes. They have interest, emotions, and things they care about despite being bad people. That's what makes them fully realized people.
The phantom troupe are evil, but they do have a lot of depth to them. Which makes them a popular group of characters among the fanbase. Also don't forget they killed kurapika entire clan just to steal their eyes.
Nen with powerful emotions attached to it can grow stronger after death and they don't want to kill kurapika cause they don't know what will happen to the nen place inside chrollo once he dies it could kill him
The Phantom troupe are infamous around the world but the members identity are unknown just like when the mob found the fake dead bodies of the troupe they were surprised how young the boss was chrollo.
When I first saw this episode Pakunoda's ending surprised me a lot. I had a "feel" burst if you will. Hisoka was acting as a troupe member to get to the boss. He only wants to fight strong people and Chrollo's Nen is sealed now. He can easily kill Chrollo at this point so the fight is a ridiculous notion. He would kill Chrollo as easily as he did that ring of gangsters in the First Phase of the Hunter Exam. Pakunoda wants the prophecy to end with her as she was the first predicted to die from Chrollo's use of Neon's Lovely Ghostwriter ability. She would then be followed by Shizuku and Shalnark. The interesting thing is she got the idea from Hisoka. Hisoka tells her on the airship that his fortune was wrong about the fight he was going to have with Chrollo. He went through with calling in Illumi based on his original fortune but the prediction had been promised has been affected by the interference of Hisoka and Gon (in a way). Therefore she decides to give them the information. If they understand Kurapika's abilities, the consequence of killing him, Gon and Killua's goodwill, etc they can negate the other fortunes of death as well. Thus leaving hers and Chrollo's to be the only ones that have been fulfilled to their entirety. It just moved me so much the first time I saw it.
In the first chapter in the manga, Kite says a good hunter is loved by animals. The scene with Pakunoda and the cat is longer in the manga and 1999 version of the anime. It was supposed to hint that Pakunoda was a good person overall. The Phantom Troupe is just their own faction in the grey world of HunterxHunter.
Wherever y’all watch this, always has different subtitles then I’ve seen, so that’s probably why y’all didn’t understand the explanation of “nen after death”.
Hunters aren't heroes, they are selfish. Togashi has successfully been writing this series in shades of grey instead of black and white. Most of the characters have done both good and bad deeds. Even the main characters have been "evil" by certain view points. It just depends on whose side people are on...they all have their own thoughts, feelings, and goals.
Lets see...its because they are confusing..or else they wouldn't have beed confused considering they dont have problems understanding other anime power systems
The phantom troup have some redeeming qualities, and that blinds a lot of people, and makes them forget all the terrible things they do, they murdered so many people who did nothing to deserve it, they are terrible
For anyone who questions the Spiders' morality, this is an account of the Kurta massacre from the manga: "The news of the Kurta clan's massacre was reported throughout the world 6 weeks later. The news at the time was reported like this: The discovery was made by a female traveler who got lost in the woods. All 128 villagers had been killed. Family members had been forced to sit facing each other and they had been stabbed but were still alive before being beheaded. The pureblood members of the Kurta clan all had their eyes gouged out. Those from outside who married into the clan kept their eyes, but their bodies showed considerably more injury (the adult men had many injuries as well, but this was surely evidence of resisting the enemy before being captured). From this, it is hypothesized that the culprits first attacked the clansmen from outside to agitate the pureblood Kurta clansmen whose eyes would then turn red from grief and anger. They were then beheaded one by one. It is said that the Kurta's scarlet eyes that arise from anger are the most brilliant shade of red and command quite a price on the black market. There were many merciless wounds on the bodies of the children as well, and it is thought that the culprits did this to incite the eyes of their parents to turn a more brilliant shade of red. Near the bodies of the massacred, a messaged believed to be from the culprits was found: We reject no one, so take nothing from us."
Haha I love this! This right here was my same struggle, having such charismatic characters who are in fact villains, being so likable and enjoying to watch, that you almost can't see them as truly evil
If you think deep, the Phantom Troupe is still aroud because of Gon, as Pakunoda said, if they escape, she could not talk or make them believe her, the spiders would be fighting eachother and they would probrably die, because Hisoka was right all along, despite all Chrollo efforts, without him the Spider would die, Hisoka said to Kurapika (kill the head and everything falls apart)
This is my personal favorite arc in the whole show. Greed Island and Chimera Ants are both fantastic too, but man. The Phantom Troupe arc is just so solid all the way through. And the perfect length. Every episode is just exploding with tension and excitement. Just a perfect shonen anime arc in every way.
When I watched Hunter x Hunter, Paku's death hurt me because i could tell from the start she would do anything to keep her members safe. She was actually very sweet under that cold exterior
29:28 the PT give money to their own city, they didn't steal auction items to be rich. Kuroro himself said that they don't desire money or fame or whatever when Uvo thought there was a Judas among them. Hisoka said to Kurapika that they do charity works from time to time. They care about their own people, but hardly anyone else.
Naigi No they do not LOL. They contain spoilers because it shows new characters and places? That’s literally the case with every opening for every anime ever so if those count as spoilers then nobody should ever watch an opening nor an ending
They are really interesting characters and what makes them terrifying to me is that there's a part of me that genuinely enjoys them together, even though they committed mass genocide leading to an entire culture of people becoming near extinct. The fact that the writer can play with that dynamic and make the audience empathize with them is one of the reasons this show stands head and shoulders above its peers. However, I totally agree with Rob in the discussion, the phantom troupe, no matter how likeable they are they're all tapped.
Almost EVERY character in this series (except maybe leorio) is AT LEAST morally gray. So I understand that it's difficult for you guys to classify some characters as good or bad. The show doesn't really subscribe to a moral code the way most shonen animes do. When you realize that, you can chill and just enjoy the series for what it is.
Hunters aren't heroes, they are selfish. Togashi has successfully been writing this series in shades of grey instead of black and white. Most of the characters have done both good and bad deeds. Even the main characters have been "evil" by certain view points. It just depends on whose side people are on...they all have their own thoughts, feelings, and goals.
If you heed the warnings in the fortunes you can change them. That’s why anytime a troupe members fortune mentioned them dying, it told them what to look out for, so they can stop it
The members of the Troupe killed people is because they are part of the Spider. That’s what the spider should do as an order of the Boss. Remember that they are the outcast of society and that’s their only home they have had, so they follow because they want to be part of the spider and be part of that home that accepted them. The Boss said that he kills people because it perhaps will give the help to find who is he really is because he is lost, and is looking for a hint.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
The Troupe cant go after Kurapika because they know Chrollo is currently under a condition that even with Pakunoda's memories they don't fully understand. Since nen can activate after death, (usually with intense emotion, and Kurapika has a very personal grudge with the Troupe) attacking Kurapika may put Chrollo in danger.
Actually with togoruo he just wanted to be proven wrong about his beliefs and make Yusuke stronger. He could have killed him a long time ago but knowing he was his ex girlfriends student he wanted to force his potential out of him.
Where is this idea that as long as you have a reason it’s not evil. Literally every serial killer, dictator you name it has had a reason. Human beings never act without some sort of reason even if the reason is stupid.
Damn, smartest things to ever come out of Robbie's mouth starting from 24:45 onwards. He's 100% on point regarding their motives, and the fact that they're all sociopathic to some degree.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
@@riatanina @Riatanina All of that is neither here nor there. Rob's point was that whatever traits make them good don't make up for the fact that they're morally deprived deviants who take pleasure and pride in the murder of innocents, and he's absolutely right. Look, if they just murdered mafia people, then who cares? But they clearly go after innocents such as the Kurta, which is indefensible.
I was kinda dissapointed that they didnt fight at the end,because I expected Hisoka,Gon,Killua, Kurapika and Leorio were gonna fight the troupe, but its all good as the ending was different and unique from other animes as it wasnt as cliche bc u would expect them to fight but they didnt because Kurapika has nice friends so he chooses friendship over revenge and the girl named Pakunda(Correct me am wrong) she was influenced by Gon and Killua because she asked them why dont you guys run away, I am injured and you can run away and still kill the boss, but Gon and Killua said we dont like violence and we hope to solve this in a peaceful way by exchanging, which influenced Pakunda as she was trying to save the spider and keep it alive so she returned Gon and Killua and went back to their hideout, the troupe didnt see the boss with her so they were about to start a fight between the phantom troupe but they didnt because pakunda passed on her memories to 6 troupe members and sacrficed her self, hence the troupe didnt fight bc they saw her memories with Gon and Killua and how they influenced her not to kill but solve it in a peaceful and pacifist way and they didnt want pakunda death to be meaningless so the spider still lived, the boss lost his Nen but is still alive and Kurapika is now more merciful towards the troupe as he has good friends now, I was dissapointed that they didnt fight the at the end but its good because they solved the problem in a different way from other animes and shows that the troupe have a heart and care about the members and they still lived it added sense of realism instead of normal generic villains where they dont care and go off fighting the heroes and they couldnt fight because if they did fight the chain user the boss would die and it would make Pakunda's death meaningless so they didnt fight.
I know how y’all feel about the phantom troupe being alright like they’re the villains and they killed mad people but I still like them and I was routing for them they just got something to them where u can just forgive them and see them as like able characters😂😂
@@phantomeye0254 That is sort of funny though. Cause the whole time with Feitan, he is complaining how rusty he's gotten. XD He should be back to his proper fighting conditions on the boat.
@@phantomeye0254 I know. That's why I can't wait for the boat. XD I just meant you saying fighting at their best was funny. Cause Fei was rusty. Not against him, I adore him.
Phantom Troupe is basically how you write an Antagonist of any media to perfection. Instead of those one dimensional OTP villains that we see so often.
Make no mistake, the Phantom Troupe members ARE EVIL. But, they are still humans. You can be evil towards some people and still care about your own. It`s like you all forgot that they killed Kurapika`s clan for the sake of fun.
They can't kill kurapika because nen can become stronger after the death of its user. So if they kill kurapika, the nen can become stronger around Chrollo's heart and since he can't use nen to protect himself the chain can kill him. Their is a higher chance for nen to get stronger after death, if the dying user has a serious grudge after death, which kurapika sure as fuck would lol. If the chain gets stronger after death, it might not be possible to have it removed with the exception of a certain spoiler character. So they can't kill kurapika without risking losing Chrollo for good.
This man Rob really think he know what he’s talking about. They whole time he’s attempting to simplify the troupe and claiming they’re like other villain groups. Jerry is right most anime villains go after power in all contexts of the word and revenge . Whilst the phantom troupe are far more morally grey. They do philanthropic work for meteor city. What other anime villians is out here doing charitable shit for their city/region/country etc.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn't interest them; I'm quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City's support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City. (Spoiler ahead) Thus far in the series the Phantom Troupe are more like pirates/vigilantes/bandits/robin hoods and have been showing fighting evil groups like the Mafia, Ants, and Kakin Royalty. And if anybody would respond saying the Kurta clan, this: The Kurta clan were also outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn't know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn't enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad. (Personally I don't believe the Kurta are as innocent as Kurapika believes them to be.)
The Phantom Troupe genocided Kurapika's people. The show trying to make you feel for them is just fucking nuts, and doesn't make any sense, unless you forget about what they did in the past.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn't interest them; I'm quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City's support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City. The Kurta clan were also outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn't know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn't enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad. If anything Kurapika is cursed for not dying with the rest of his clan. Doomed to kill in cold blood; seeking the revenge that will ultimately lead to his death. Kurapika joins the Mafia, also considered an evil organization, with the goal of getting close to those who collect eyes so he can slaughter them and reclaim the eyes themselves. (At least that is what he believed back when he first joined in the mansion, before he started to care for friends.) He wishes to chain the buyers and troupe to hell, yet doesn't realize he would be trapped with all of them in hell when he dies as well. And as the Kurta view the world as evil, Kurapika was ready to kill Melody in cold blood when they first talked together. Kurapika could have became a hunter, got a respectable job in one of the categories (to earn enough money to buy most of the eyes), pay his respects to his people, and settle down to revive his clan and keep themselves secret. Then when he would have died at an older age, he would at least get to see his clan again. (Cause he isn't going to his clan anymore…that's for sure.) Spoiler Ahead Thus far in the series the Phantom Troupe are more like pirates/vigilantes/bandits/robin hoods and have been showing fighting evil groups like the Mafia, Ants, and Kakin Royalty. Hisoka himself even said they did philanthropic work. (Personally, I don't believe the Kurta clan are as innocent as Kurapika tends to think.)
In the most simple terms they are saying they can not kill the chain user because if they kill the chain user than their boss will die. Their boss will die because he currently us unable to use nen. What Kurapika put on their boss is not as simple as if they kill Kurapika it goes away. If they kill Kurapika than his hatred towards the phantom troupe will still attack the boss even after they kill Kurapika in the form of Kurapika's nen that is chained to their boss. The key is that the boss cannot use nen, that is why he would die if they were to do that. So they have to wait until their boss figures out a way to get his nen back, or if he were to just die. They have not forgiven Kurapika though, they basically just have to wait until either their boss gets nen back some way or if he just dies. They basically have a cease fire for the time being until one of those two things happen.
i get where both rob and jerry are coming from, the thing is the phantom troupe themselves are the culmination of both of their responses, ruthless, hardened, and murderous group of bandits but also a loyal, trusting, and casual group of friends at times too. Seeing villains chill in public and actually indulge themselves isn't something super common in shounen anime.
The Kurta clan were outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn't know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn't enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad.
Are The troupe righteous guys? "not necessary" have they done many deplorable things? "indeed" but their still human that's the point. People have been justifying mass murder since almost the beginning of human kind.
What makes the main Villains in HxH god tier is their absolute humanity. Most of them aren't just power hungry monsters like in other anime, here you can actually sympathise with them and at moments even cry for them. Did I cry while watching the entire HxH series over 5 times? You bet your ass I had tears snots and liquid pouring out of all holes on my face each time
Everybody is killer in this show. But you all gotta puss over Phantom troupe. They are all murderers. Even freakin Hunters are outside of the law in this show. And no one questions it.
Hunters aren't heroes, they are selfish. Togashi has successfully been writing this series in shades of grey instead of black and white. Most of the characters have done both good and bad deeds. Even the main characters have been "evil" by certain view points. It just depends on whose side people are on...they all have their own thoughts, feelings, and goals.
Riatanina thats what i was trying to say. But people just puss over only Phantom troupe as if they are the most evil when all of them are murderers in this show. Even Pure Gons mind is selfish as hell.
The fanbase of this show seems to have a lot of people with Gon’s morality. They all know the Phantom Troupe has killed an endless amount of innocent people, purely for their own amusement, but they don’t care, because they think the Phantom Troupe is cool or interesting, so they always act like the Troupe isn’t unjustifiably evil.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
Kurapika's Nen chain is wrapped around Chrollo's heart and is preventing Chrollo from using Nen. If Kurapika dies, that chain could become even stronger because of Kurapika's hatred. And since Chrollo can't use Nen because of the chain, He is vulnerable to Nen. Remember when Wing first showed Gon and Killua Nen? How he shattered a wall just by touching it? How Wing told them they couldn't survive Nen unless they learn to defend against it? "Its like you are walking through a blizzard you can't see, and are wondering why it is so cold" Metaphorically speaking it is as if Kaprika stole Chrollos winter coat, and that if Krapika dies a torrential blizzard will strike Chrollo. THATS why they can't kill Kuraprika. No one else in the Troupe is effected by Kurapika's Nen. EDIT: If the scale is Good, Center, Bad Then I think the Phantom Troupe is halfway between Center and Bad.
What Rob does not understand is that they are not the typical villains that you find in the different series of this one. They are a group, a family, THEY ARE BAD but it is not that they do it for yes and already. The same applies to the Killua Family or himself, they are KILLERS who work for money, they are bad from an ethical point of view but it is their job. Later they will also understand why HxH Antagonists are the most "realistic" ones in the anime.
you still didn't disprove his point tho. they are bad people.the killua's Family is also evil. its as simple as that.them not being"typical villains that you find in the different series" doesn't make them any less evil. stop trying to sugar coat it.
Rob watching ... *nothing* Rob discussing *extreme heat* I gotta be honest I love these discussions. It just shows how good the show is. If it's trash you don't even think about it twice. If a show can rile you up it's good.
The troupe is a group of drifters and bandits. They have a simple philosophy that feitan reiterates multiple times which is “we’re bandits. If we want something we just take it” so they are just total badasses that look for comrades that are like minded. I feel like this makes them some of the most human criminal organizations in anime. But by no means are they what we would consider ethical
Nah, If Hisoka doesn't deem you as a threat or a problem, he will just kill you (in the manga he killed innocent people just because he can). The only people Hisoka spares are people that are strong or have the potential to fight him to the battle of death. He is like an evil Goku when you think about it, but he wouldn't spare his opponent or let them heal since he is almost always bloodlusted. Lol.
Yes thank you! Finally somebody who understands Hisoka! He is Chaotic Evil. XD You won't believe how many people I've had to argue all that information too.
What Phinks is saying is that Since Chrollo no longer has Nen in him the after-effects(powered by Kurapika's hatred) for killing Kurapika would be passed onto Chrollo which would immediately die because he has no protection to Nen like Uvogin when he was captured by Kurapika.
Somehow, Rob and everyone missed the flashbacks of young Chrollo living in trash, Meteor City. The Troupe is from a very very very very very very poor place where ppl treated them like trash. Phantom Troupe are like thugs from the hood who learned life thru pain and not having anything and watching ppl die (and them themselves starving and fighting to live) trying to survive. They made it out of the hood but unfortunately, the way the hood raised them taught them that they needed to take and kill to get what they want. I won't spoil you but it is for a cause. Doesn't make it right but you can understand where they are coming from. Also, Frieza...was on Planet Namek and he's aPIRATE sent their to take over the planet... EVERYONE ON NAMEK KNEW WHO FRIEZA WAS and they were ALL TERRIFIED. Frieza didn't have to wild out because everyone was afraid.... Frieza is a typical villain (maybe there's deeper something to him) but he is always wildin whether it's thru his ppl or him because he wants to take over.
Uhh, there's nothing to spoil, there is no cause, and no matter the cause, even if the means to reach their end is killing, it's clear that they get joy out of killing, and do it even when they don't need too. This makes them objectively evil and their actions indefensible. You try to paint it as if just being from Meteor City makes you a sociopathic asshole, when it's clear that people like Canary prove otherwise.
@@mapleunix1 The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
@@riatanina All of that is neither here nor there. Rob's point was that whatever traits make them good don't make up for the fact that they're morally deprived deviants who take pleasure and pride in the murder of innocents, and he's absolutely right. Look, if they just murdered mafia people, then who cares? But they clearly go after innocents such as the Kurta, which is indefensible.
@@mapleunix1 The Kurta clan were also outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn’t know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn’t enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad. If anything Kurapika is cursed for not dying with the rest of his clan. Doomed to kill in cold blood; seeking the revenge that will ultimately lead to his death. Kurapika joins the Mafia, also considered an evil organization, with the goal of getting close to those who collect eyes so he can slaughter them and reclaim the eyes themselves. (At least that is what he believed back when he first joined in the mansion, before he started to care for friends.) He wishes to chain the buyers and troupe to hell, yet doesn’t realize he would be trapped with all of them in hell when he dies as well. And as the Kurta view the world as evil, Kurapika was ready to kill Melody in cold blood when they first talked together. Kurapika could have became a hunter, got a respectable job in one of the categories (to earn enough money to buy most of the eyes), pay his respects to his people, and settle down to revive his clan and keep themselves secret. Then when he would have died at an older age, he would at least get to see his clan again. (Cause he isn’t going to his clan anymore…that’s for sure.)
@@riatanina Jesus Christ, first of all, in your first comment you mentioned how you're "quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast", and I didn't even call you out on how that's pure speculation, but now you claim that "how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent?", when there's been no hint in the story to suggest otherwise. They viewed the world as enemies because they literally are, as essentially you said yourself, because they keep being hunted for their eyes. The Kurta being powerful says nothing of their morality. Also, your second paragraph is irrelevant to the point at hand, which is that the Troupe is evil and their actions unjustifiable. Why are you trying to argue otherwise when it's just plain as day? lol Also also, Kurapika is just taking it upon himself to hunt a band of murderous thieves at the expense of his own life. He is not killing for killing's sake, he visually and verbally is shown to abhor the associated violence, and he puts his friends before his lust for vengeance, so the characters are not comparable.
Short explanation about the end: Nen lasts after death, So kurapika his nen could last after death, due to the amount of hatred he has harnesses towards the spider. The troupe's worry, is that if they kill kurapika, that his hatred nen will grow after death and thus kill their boss. Keeping it as spoiler free as possible, this is just based on what he told killua and gon at the end.
What happens with the dub is that in the crucial moments they do not go beyond. The best episodes of this anime are incredible many times thanks to the voice actors, you know what I mean ...
Kechu Gonzalez yea exactly my point i feel like the best moments of the show that made me feel some type of way in the show were kinda messed up because of the voice acting
Hisoka getting blue-balled was the funniest shit.
Fr like he was holding that shi in for a while and even joined the Phantom troupe just for that reason 😂
Basically, Nen can live on and become stronger after the user's death. If the troupe killed the chain user, Kurapika could retaliate and kill the boss since he is defenseless right now.
Yeah. They don't fear for themselves, just their boss.
these dumb dumbs thinking paku accidently infected them, lol - its overall since the boss would never be able to use nen again at the minimum if they killed Kurapika before having someone remove his nen from the boss
So basically to dumb it down, it's like being hunted by a ghost, with nen. There's more to its mechanics of course, but that's the gist.
It's extremely simple.
the best answer I was gonna wright something like this
Like what pitou did to gon
That's the thing, everyone in this show is morally grey. If you can sympathize with the "villains" then that means that they were written well, they are not one dimensional, they are multifaceted and therefore they feel real.
Okay so explaining what Phinks said: Nen that's powered by powerful emotions like grief, anger, and hatred can become way more powerful and determined after death, meaning had Kurapika died, his Nen would have probably automatically killed Chrollo.
Also Hisoka has standards he doesn't find joy in killing indiscriminately, he enjoys fighting and killing but _only_ powerful people.
Nah Ging is the real villain
@@UnrealGemini tbh tru
@@UnrealGemini no
They're not morally gray and I am legit concerned for all of your ethics if you think mass murders have some sort of neutral morality lmao
@@kendalldavis2700 I mean, in the world they exist in?? It is. It's not like they really have an issue with murder in the world they live in 🤣
It’s simple, the phantom troupe members are the most charismatic villains in anime 🤷🏽♀️
they are chaotic neutral.
What about the akaski in naruto?
whats about Meruem?
@MC Cooper
One Piece ? What are you smoking man ? Hxh villains are league above OP's. Doflamingo is the only intresting one (and still Meruem, Hisoka, Chrollo, Pariston, Pouf are better and more complex than him).
Jojo had Kira, that's really strong.
@MC Cooper
Go watch those 2 videos "Who is Chrollo Lucilfer" and "The Soul of the Phantom Troup" on Aleczndrx channel.
Here's the explanation to what they were confused about at the end, like so they can see. Also this comment is edited since I got my explanation slightly wrong, and so I need to avoid confusion.
So the answer is, no they cant go after Kurapika now because of what happened to Chrollo. If they kill Kurapika the nen of Kurapika's chain will kill Chrollo. The way Kurapika's nen works is by casting the chain onto a persons heart with a preset condition that will remain there unless removed by Kurapika himself, or someone else with some sort of nen remover ability. Although this isnt really explained this far into the series, and is technically maybe kind of a spoiler, it is a fact that Nen can remain after death. The hate the phantom troupe was speaking of is imbued in the Nen cast on Chrollo by Kurapika, but wont actively attack him because of the condition. If Kurapika dies, the hate in his Nen and the nen itself will live on, and will actively attempt to kill Chrollo despite the condition placed on the Nen. Kurapikas chains isnt affecting anyone else in anyway, so the other troupe members are safe. They now just know they cant talk to Chrollo, or he'll die, and they cant kill Kurapika because that will kill Chrollo.
My bad again to everyone, I technically gave you guys that read the pre edited version the wrong explanation. I kind of forgot that despite being life force Nen doesnt really die with the caster, which youll learn more about later. I believe thats all that was wrong with the explanation so there you go.
I think the subtitle they read was just bad and that's why they could not understand what was going on..
I have seen many people in previous episodes commenting about changing the subtitles or the source they are watching HxH from, because it sucks.. Idk
Is that right ? Isn't it because Nen gets stronger after death and may remain with Chrollo forever ?
@@Oussama-uo1gf yes because even if they killed him the nen wouldnt dissappear which goes along with what op said
You should DM them on IG so they get it
NO no no no no...
The concept of Nen-after-death does not require any prerequisites such as a specific command / condition to "activate." It has nothing to do with Kurapika's chains, but rather the "residual Nen" born of his strong emotions. In this case being hatred. Theoretically, even if Kurapika didn't have his chains wrapped around Chrollo's heart, if he died, his hatred could very well linger and attack the Troupe members responsible. Just like what happened to a certain character, from a certain arc, later in this series. That's nen-after death 101.
The problem that Phinks pointed out is the fact that Chrollo can't use Nen to defend himself, which could overwhelm him. That's the only part where Kurapika's chains actually played a big role here. This is the only reason why the Troupe can't kill him. Otherwise they'd hunt him down.
Long story short,
The Troupe can't kill Kurapika because Chrollo can't use Nen to shield himself from overwhelming hatred, not because his "chains" will activate if he dies. It's already activated lol. It's purpose is preventing Chrollo from using Nen and communicating. Again, the hatred is what kills, not the chains.
The Phantom troupe is evil, they're just compelling. But just because you're a character with depth doesn't mean you're not a villain and evil. They killed an entire tribe of people, men, women and children.
Truth
Yeah, like Walter White. He's interesting, can say funny stuff, can be likable in his story but he's a piece of shit killer/drug dealer/meth cook that destroyed the lives of people directly and indirectly.
Hisoka is more "evil" then the phantom troupe ( I don't think the spiders are evil) and yet everybody likes him, nobody sees hisoka as bad or evil , but he is
@Prince X I'd like to ask how many babies Killua killed. I have a feeling he has a smaller child murder count than the phantom troupe.
think the best way to explain it is, they're evil, but are also quite relatable
The Phantom troupe are bad people with good qualities that's why you guys are struggling to classify them as bad or good people
i wouldn't say good qualities. but as rob said "killers sympathising with other killers" they're definitely evil .
@@leonbelmont4028 the ability to sympathise is a good person quality.people that don't or cant symphasie can be usually branded as evil.again they are still evil for what they have done
@@ItsKatoSenpaI yeah i know. all im saying is having the ability to sympathise doesn't make them any less evil .
@@leonbelmont4028 yeah they still evil
@@leonbelmont4028 I cannot necessarily agree with that. What makes the phantom troupe evil? Breaking some laws doesn't make you evil. In my own views, anarchistic lifestyles doesn't make you evil. Clearly the phantom troupe has done plenty of good in the show.
Understandbly, hxh anime viewers always ended up liking the troupe, because the massacre that they did upon the kurta is not explained in detail..
In the manga, it was explained that the troupe tortured the kurtas while they are all alive until they cried blood and changed their eye color to red. Only then were their eyes gouged and then killed. It was gruesome and inhumane. Rob is right, the troupe are still inhumane villains that cares about each other.
Rob is right; the troupe is evil. We as viewers just find them compelling and likeable, but they’re still bad people; genocide just for getting pretty eyes is next level messed up.
Don’t be disappointed about not getting a Hisoka/Chrollo fight 😉
But we'll get them animated when we have grand children lmao
Doctor Drake how is that a spoiler
Ria Anggraini nah we might not live to see it
There is no evil, it's a human category applied to the world, you can for istance inquiry the world without categorize things in good or evil.
togashi actually explained this i think he said no character in hxh is bad/good they all do some level of fucked up shit as well as good stuff they all have committed murder so.. its like trying to measure sins it doesn’t work like that
Rob is so right. There is no way to paint the Phantom Troupe as good.
Ok then Killua is the exact same way. He isn't good either then
No, Killua *was* similar but he changed, and even then he was under Illumi influence.
Exactly, they are interesting because you know they have a cause, and they care about each other, but not good. They killed a room of people and sucked them into a vacuum. And they did steal kurapikas people's eyes!?! Not good.
hellpander kurapika is the same fucking way he kills for his own needs and revenge the troupe take because they never had anything they’re from meteor fucking city where the worst of the worst get tossed troupe isn’t even bad they’re rebuilding their home too so nobody ends like them
@@HxHEli Nah Kurapika is there for a reason he is something the Troupe created with their actions that is now coming back to bite them. Coming from Meteor City coming from nothing doesnt give them the right to kill a whole clan and act better than someone like Kurapika that is driven by it
Phantom troupe is a good example of how villains should be
Rob started with a solid argument, then it progressively went downhill, lol
lol as usual
Exactly lol
On me this man said freiza wasn’t wilding everytime he was in public like everytime we saw this nigga he was on sum evil shit 😂
Lol.
He was right, so it doesn't matter
When I scroll down my feed and see the upload im always like “HUNTER X (WHAT!) HUNTER X HUNTER (WHAT!)”
CMON
Jay you messed it up there’s one more hunter x (what) hunter x hunter (what) before the cmon
Cinneflame I couldn’t be bothered to do the whole thing 😅
Chance the Rapper alright let’s start over
*HUNTER X*
Max *(WHAT!)*
Paku a real one. Took one for the team!
Pakunoda gave her memories to the founding member of the troop, not the ones that would remain alive.
They can all use nen except for Chrollo, the reason they cannot kill Kurapica is that Chrollo has the judgment chain wrapped around his heart and nen does not necessarily disappear if you kill the user.
“The Phantom Troupe are alright”... I can’t wait for their reaction to 96-97
WHOOO CHILE
"They alright" * massacres whole clan
They're not evil for the sake of evil.... They're raising money for charity. 😂
I've never laughed harder at a discussion in a while.
Another reaction channel that I really like, Heatah22 Reacts, called Meteor City ‘The slums’... never laughed harder in my life then when one of the dudes said, “y’all came to Meteor City, no, y’all came to the Hood and did this... Naw, you didn’t realize, that we got real Thugs out here”
@@je-zw5su There is no proof that the kurta clan is innocent.
The Phantom troupe are 100% bad people. They just aren't flat villain archetypes. They have interest, emotions, and things they care about despite being bad people. That's what makes them fully realized people.
say it w me: illu- *ME*
The phantom troupe are evil, but they do have a lot of depth to them. Which makes them a popular group of characters among the fanbase. Also don't forget they killed kurapika entire clan just to steal their eyes.
Nen with powerful emotions attached to it can grow stronger after death and they don't want to kill kurapika cause they don't know what will happen to the nen place inside chrollo once he dies it could kill him
Omg I was sad thinking you'll not gonna upload this today. You came in clutch
The Phantom troupe are infamous around the world but the members identity are unknown just like when the mob found the fake dead bodies of the troupe they were surprised how young the boss was chrollo.
When I first saw this episode Pakunoda's ending surprised me a lot. I had a "feel" burst if you will.
Hisoka was acting as a troupe member to get to the boss. He only wants to fight strong people and Chrollo's Nen is sealed now. He can easily kill Chrollo at this point so the fight is a ridiculous notion. He would kill Chrollo as easily as he did that ring of gangsters in the First Phase of the Hunter Exam.
Pakunoda wants the prophecy to end with her as she was the first predicted to die from Chrollo's use of Neon's Lovely Ghostwriter ability. She would then be followed by Shizuku and Shalnark. The interesting thing is she got the idea from Hisoka. Hisoka tells her on the airship that his fortune was wrong about the fight he was going to have with Chrollo. He went through with calling in Illumi based on his original fortune but the prediction had been promised has been affected by the interference of Hisoka and Gon (in a way). Therefore she decides to give them the information. If they understand Kurapika's abilities, the consequence of killing him, Gon and Killua's goodwill, etc they can negate the other fortunes of death as well. Thus leaving hers and Chrollo's to be the only ones that have been fulfilled to their entirety.
It just moved me so much the first time I saw it.
In the first chapter in the manga, Kite says a good hunter is loved by animals. The scene with Pakunoda and the cat is longer in the manga and 1999 version of the anime. It was supposed to hint that Pakunoda was a good person overall. The Phantom Troupe is just their own faction in the grey world of HunterxHunter.
Wherever y’all watch this, always has different subtitles then I’ve seen, so that’s probably why y’all didn’t understand the explanation of “nen after death”.
The great thing about Hunter x Hunter is that there are no strictly good or evil characters
Hunters aren't heroes, they are selfish. Togashi has successfully been writing this series in shades of grey instead of black and white. Most of the characters have done both good and bad deeds. Even the main characters have been "evil" by certain view points. It just depends on whose side people are on...they all have their own thoughts, feelings, and goals.
What about the ants
Im not surprised they're confused with how complex Nen is compared to other anime power systems lol
Lets see...its because they are confusing..or else they wouldn't have beed confused considering they dont have problems understanding other anime power systems
The phantom troup have some redeeming qualities, and that blinds a lot of people, and makes them forget all the terrible things they do, they murdered so many people who did nothing to deserve it, they are terrible
For anyone who questions the Spiders' morality, this is an account of the Kurta massacre from the manga:
"The news of the Kurta clan's massacre was reported throughout the world 6 weeks later. The news at the time was reported like this: The discovery was made by a female traveler who got lost in the woods. All 128 villagers had been killed. Family members had been forced to sit facing each other and they had been stabbed but were still alive before being beheaded.
The pureblood members of the Kurta clan all had their eyes gouged out. Those from outside who married into the clan kept their eyes, but their bodies showed considerably more injury (the adult men had many injuries as well, but this was surely evidence of resisting the enemy before being captured). From this, it is hypothesized that the culprits first attacked the clansmen from outside to agitate the pureblood Kurta clansmen whose eyes would then turn red from grief and anger. They were then beheaded one by one.
It is said that the Kurta's scarlet eyes that arise from anger are the most brilliant shade of red and command quite a price on the black market. There were many merciless wounds on the bodies of the children as well, and it is thought that the culprits did this to incite the eyes of their parents to turn a more brilliant shade of red.
Near the bodies of the massacred, a messaged believed to be from the culprits was found: We reject no one, so take nothing from us."
Everytime I see a hunter upload a smile immediately hits my face it's just something about watching other people enjoy watching it .
Gotta agree with Rob here, phantom troupe is high key evil, even if they got nice personalities
1:35 Well actually Killua's dad did get a W against the troupe. When he met them before he killed on of their members.
@Sally Vee fax
Damn Rob is like the parent that swear they awake when you try to chabge the channel
i can see you have good music taste
All rob had to say was that the troupe killed kurapika’s clan and he would have won the argument
Haha I love this! This right here was my same struggle, having such charismatic characters who are in fact villains, being so likable and enjoying to watch, that you almost can't see them as truly evil
My favorite 'villians' 10/10
"I don't think the phantom troupe is that bad ... "
The Kurta Clan: Am I a joke to you?
If you think deep, the Phantom Troupe is still aroud because of Gon, as Pakunoda said, if they escape, she could not talk or make them believe her, the spiders would be fighting eachother and they would probrably die, because Hisoka was right all along, despite all Chrollo efforts, without him the Spider would die, Hisoka said to Kurapika (kill the head and everything falls apart)
I love the moral greyness of the Phantom Troupe man some of my favourite characters are in there
This is my personal favorite arc in the whole show. Greed Island and Chimera Ants are both fantastic too, but man. The Phantom Troupe arc is just so solid all the way through. And the perfect length. Every episode is just exploding with tension and excitement. Just a perfect shonen anime arc in every way.
When I watched Hunter x Hunter, Paku's death hurt me because i could tell from the start she would do anything to keep her members safe. She was actually very sweet under that cold exterior
29:28 the PT give money to their own city, they didn't steal auction items to be rich. Kuroro himself said that they don't desire money or fame or whatever when Uvo thought there was a Judas among them. Hisoka said to Kurapika that they do charity works from time to time. They care about their own people, but hardly anyone else.
"The villains are humanified but not redeemed they are still villains " that's this show probably main thing
"The Phantom Troupe, they're all right". Yeah they're surprisingly relatable for homicidal monsters xD
next episode, new opening and ending, we demand reaction :|
they don't care about the op and end, they skip them every episode
@@zaayd which is good cause they contain spoilers
Naigi No they do not LOL. They contain spoilers because it shows new characters and places? That’s literally the case with every opening for every anime ever so if those count as spoilers then nobody should ever watch an opening nor an ending
@@nothingspecial8114 and that's exactly why you don't look at the openings, so you go in completely blindfolded.
zαck lol they react to whole episodes every time . If you notice they cut they reaction to make less minutes when its upload time .
They are really interesting characters and what makes them terrifying to me is that there's a part of me that genuinely enjoys them together, even though they committed mass genocide leading to an entire culture of people becoming near extinct. The fact that the writer can play with that dynamic and make the audience empathize with them is one of the reasons this show stands head and shoulders above its peers. However, I totally agree with Rob in the discussion, the phantom troupe, no matter how likeable they are they're all tapped.
Almost EVERY character in this series (except maybe leorio) is AT LEAST morally gray. So I understand that it's difficult for you guys to classify some characters as good or bad. The show doesn't really subscribe to a moral code the way most shonen animes do. When you realize that, you can chill and just enjoy the series for what it is.
Hunters aren't heroes, they are selfish. Togashi has successfully been writing this series in shades of grey instead of black and white. Most of the characters have done both good and bad deeds. Even the main characters have been "evil" by certain view points. It just depends on whose side people are on...they all have their own thoughts, feelings, and goals.
@@riatanina they really do. Which makes this show so much more special.
9:18 is my favorite scene of the anime 😂 kurapika was having none of his shit.
Wells remembered the "go east" part, good cause it is important in a surprising way.
If you heed the warnings in the fortunes you can change them. That’s why anytime a troupe members fortune mentioned them dying, it told them what to look out for, so they can stop it
Bro that heated debate at the end... omg. 😂😁🤣😁👌
The members of the Troupe killed people is because they are part of the Spider. That’s what the spider should do as an order of the Boss. Remember that they are the outcast of society and that’s their only home they have had, so they follow because they want to be part of the spider and be part of that home that accepted them. The Boss said that he kills people because it perhaps will give the help to find who is he really is because he is lost, and is looking for a hint.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
The Troupe cant go after Kurapika because they know Chrollo is currently under a condition that even with Pakunoda's memories they don't fully understand. Since nen can activate after death, (usually with intense emotion, and Kurapika has a very personal grudge with the Troupe) attacking Kurapika may put Chrollo in danger.
Watch any other anime in dub, but HxH has to be in SUB, its superior in every way possible.
jojo has to be in sub too
xXultimatePANDAXx every anime is better in sub than dub
Veru Torres facts I hate watching reactions to my hero in dub as soon as I hear it in debating life or death lmao
xXultimatePANDAXx Weebo
Veru Torres idk about that, I haven’t watched FMAB yet but everyone recommends dub over sub.
20:50 Oh that election arc gonna be wild
Actually with togoruo he just wanted to be proven wrong about his beliefs and make Yusuke stronger. He could have killed him a long time ago but knowing he was his ex girlfriends student he wanted to force his potential out of him.
you can tell wellz watched ahead 😔😔😔
zαck Definitely.
How? I didnt finish the video
How?
zαck how?
It’s hard not too so I don’t really blame him
Where is this idea that as long as you have a reason it’s not evil. Literally every serial killer, dictator you name it has had a reason. Human beings never act without some sort of reason even if the reason is stupid.
Rob be like of they dont think like me their thinking wrong :p
Damn, smartest things to ever come out of Robbie's mouth starting from 24:45 onwards. He's 100% on point regarding their motives, and the fact that they're all sociopathic to some degree.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
@@riatanina @Riatanina All of that is neither here nor there. Rob's point was that whatever traits make them good don't make up for the fact that they're morally deprived deviants who take pleasure and pride in the murder of innocents, and he's absolutely right. Look, if they just murdered mafia people, then who cares? But they clearly go after innocents such as the Kurta, which is indefensible.
I was kinda dissapointed that they didnt fight at the end,because I expected Hisoka,Gon,Killua, Kurapika and Leorio were gonna fight the troupe, but its all good as the ending was different and unique from other animes as it wasnt as cliche bc u would expect them to fight but they didnt because Kurapika has nice friends so he chooses friendship over revenge and the girl named Pakunda(Correct me am wrong) she was influenced by Gon and Killua because she asked them why dont you guys run away, I am injured and you can run away and still kill the boss, but Gon and Killua said we dont like violence and we hope to solve this in a peaceful way by exchanging, which influenced Pakunda as she was trying to save the spider and keep it alive so she returned Gon and Killua and went back to their hideout, the troupe didnt see the boss with her so they were about to start a fight between the phantom troupe but they didnt because pakunda passed on her memories to 6 troupe members and sacrficed her self, hence the troupe didnt fight bc they saw her memories with Gon and Killua and how they influenced her not to kill but solve it in a peaceful and pacifist way and they didnt want pakunda death to be meaningless so the spider still lived, the boss lost his Nen but is still alive and Kurapika is now more merciful towards the troupe as he has good friends now, I was dissapointed that they didnt fight the at the end but its good because they solved the problem in a different way from other animes and shows that the troupe have a heart and care about the members and they still lived it added sense of realism instead of normal generic villains where they dont care and go off fighting the heroes and they couldnt fight because if they did fight the chain user the boss would die and it would make Pakunda's death meaningless so they didnt fight.
Lol I was litterally just watching yall😂😂
I know how y’all feel about the phantom troupe being alright like they’re the villains and they killed mad people but I still like them and I was routing for them they just got something to them where u can just forgive them and see them as like able characters😂😂
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Kurapika's arc is ending, so sad:(
He is kind of like the main character in the current manga arc tho.
@@sukisyo7 I know!
I'm up to date with the manga^^
Killua Zoldyck I believe these were the last 2 episodes of his arc so wouldn’t it already be over now?
You guys will definitely see the phantom troupe fight at their best soon!
@@escanordaone9383 from what we've seen so far is what i meant.
@@phantomeye0254 That is sort of funny though. Cause the whole time with Feitan, he is complaining how rusty he's gotten. XD He should be back to his proper fighting conditions on the boat.
@@riatanina feitan never really goes all out, which is why he was rusty at the start. It just shows how strong he is!
@@phantomeye0254 I know. That's why I can't wait for the boat. XD I just meant you saying fighting at their best was funny. Cause Fei was rusty. Not against him, I adore him.
Phantom Troupe is basically how you write an Antagonist of any media to perfection. Instead of those one dimensional OTP villains that we see so often.
RIP to a real one
Gon and Killua could join the troupe 😂 they’re really cool with the villains.
Make no mistake, the Phantom Troupe members ARE EVIL. But, they are still humans.
You can be evil towards some people and still care about your own. It`s like you all forgot that they killed Kurapika`s clan for the sake of fun.
The phantom troupe are pretty cool👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾🔥
hisoka vs chrollo was lit in volume 34 ure just not gonna see it animated unlucky
They can't kill kurapika because nen can become stronger after the death of its user. So if they kill kurapika, the nen can become stronger around Chrollo's heart and since he can't use nen to protect himself the chain can kill him. Their is a higher chance for nen to get stronger after death, if the dying user has a serious grudge after death, which kurapika sure as fuck would lol. If the chain gets stronger after death, it might not be possible to have it removed with the exception of a certain spoiler character. So they can't kill kurapika without risking losing Chrollo for good.
This man Rob really think he know what he’s talking about. They whole time he’s attempting to simplify the troupe and claiming they’re like other villain groups. Jerry is right most anime villains go after power in all contexts of the word and revenge . Whilst the phantom troupe are far more morally grey. They do philanthropic work for meteor city. What other anime villians is out here doing charitable shit for their city/region/country etc.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn't interest them; I'm quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City's support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City. (Spoiler ahead)
Thus far in the series the Phantom Troupe are more like pirates/vigilantes/bandits/robin hoods and have been showing fighting evil groups like the Mafia, Ants, and Kakin Royalty.
And if anybody would respond saying the Kurta clan, this: The Kurta clan were also outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn't know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn't enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad. (Personally I don't believe the Kurta are as innocent as Kurapika believes them to be.)
That robe hate needs to end. Stop acting like a sheep. Phantom troupe are bad people, so is the Zoldyck Family...
They are still horrible people
The Phantom Troupe genocided Kurapika's people. The show trying to make you feel for them is just fucking nuts, and doesn't make any sense, unless you forget about what they did in the past.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn't interest them; I'm quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City's support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
The Kurta clan were also outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn't know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn't enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad.
If anything Kurapika is cursed for not dying with the rest of his clan. Doomed to kill in cold blood; seeking the revenge that will ultimately lead to his death. Kurapika joins the Mafia, also considered an evil organization, with the goal of getting close to those who collect eyes so he can slaughter them and reclaim the eyes themselves. (At least that is what he believed back when he first joined in the mansion, before he started to care for friends.) He wishes to chain the buyers and troupe to hell, yet doesn't realize he would be trapped with all of them in hell when he dies as well. And as the Kurta view the world as evil, Kurapika was ready to kill Melody in cold blood when they first talked together.
Kurapika could have became a hunter, got a respectable job in one of the categories (to earn enough money to buy most of the eyes), pay his respects to his people, and settle down to revive his clan and keep themselves secret. Then when he would have died at an older age, he would at least get to see his clan again. (Cause he isn't going to his clan anymore…that's for sure.) Spoiler Ahead
Thus far in the series the Phantom Troupe are more like pirates/vigilantes/bandits/robin hoods and have been showing fighting evil groups like the Mafia, Ants, and Kakin Royalty. Hisoka himself even said they did philanthropic work. (Personally, I don't believe the Kurta clan are as innocent as Kurapika tends to think.)
In the most simple terms they are saying they can not kill the chain user because if they kill the chain user than their boss will die. Their boss will die because he currently us unable to use nen. What Kurapika put on their boss is not as simple as if they kill Kurapika it goes away. If they kill Kurapika than his hatred towards the phantom troupe will still attack the boss even after they kill Kurapika in the form of Kurapika's nen that is chained to their boss. The key is that the boss cannot use nen, that is why he would die if they were to do that. So they have to wait until their boss figures out a way to get his nen back, or if he were to just die. They have not forgiven Kurapika though, they basically just have to wait until either their boss gets nen back some way or if he just dies. They basically have a cease fire for the time being until one of those two things happen.
Yorknew city is what made me love hunter x hunter
i get where both rob and jerry are coming from, the thing is the phantom troupe themselves are the culmination of both of their responses, ruthless, hardened, and murderous group of bandits but also a loyal, trusting, and casual group of friends at times too. Seeing villains chill in public and actually indulge themselves isn't something super common in shounen anime.
Are we gonna forget that they slaughtered Kurapika’s clan.
The Kurta clan were outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn't know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn't enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad.
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Are The troupe righteous guys? "not necessary" have they done many deplorable things? "indeed" but their still human that's the point. People have been justifying mass murder since almost the beginning of human kind.
They are just a faction, and just like in the real world factions only care about themselves and destroy anything in their way.
What makes the main Villains in HxH god tier is their absolute humanity. Most of them aren't just power hungry monsters like in other anime, here you can actually sympathise with them and at moments even cry for them.
Did I cry while watching the entire HxH series over 5 times? You bet your ass I had tears snots and liquid pouring out of all holes on my face each time
Everybody is killer in this show. But you all gotta puss over Phantom troupe. They are all murderers. Even freakin Hunters are outside of the law in this show. And no one questions it.
Hunters aren't heroes, they are selfish. Togashi has successfully been writing this series in shades of grey instead of black and white. Most of the characters have done both good and bad deeds. Even the main characters have been "evil" by certain view points. It just depends on whose side people are on...they all have their own thoughts, feelings, and goals.
Riatanina thats what i was trying to say. But people just puss over only Phantom troupe as if they are the most evil when all of them are murderers in this show. Even Pure Gons mind is selfish as hell.
I can’t imagine what the spiders did to the scarlet eyes clan that none of them seem to want to remember about it.
The fanbase of this show seems to have a lot of people with Gon’s morality. They all know the Phantom Troupe has killed an endless amount of innocent people, purely for their own amusement, but they don’t care, because they think the Phantom Troupe is cool or interesting, so they always act like the Troupe isn’t unjustifiably evil.
The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
Phantom Troupe: Evil ass dudes with a heart of gold
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Kurapika's Nen chain is wrapped around Chrollo's heart and is preventing Chrollo from using Nen.
If Kurapika dies, that chain could become even stronger because of Kurapika's hatred.
And since Chrollo can't use Nen because of the chain, He is vulnerable to Nen.
Remember when Wing first showed Gon and Killua Nen? How he shattered a wall just by touching it?
How Wing told them they couldn't survive Nen unless they learn to defend against it?
"Its like you are walking through a blizzard you can't see, and are wondering why it is so cold"
Metaphorically speaking it is as if Kaprika stole Chrollos winter coat, and that if Krapika dies a torrential blizzard will strike Chrollo.
THATS why they can't kill Kuraprika. No one else in the Troupe is effected by Kurapika's Nen.
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If the scale is Good, Center, Bad
Then I think the Phantom Troupe is halfway between Center and Bad.
Been waiting all day
Yall gotta read the manga for that fae with hisoka and chrollo! real smoke
What Rob does not understand is that they are not the typical villains that you find in the different series of this one. They are a group, a family, THEY ARE BAD but it is not that they do it for yes and already.
The same applies to the Killua Family or himself, they are KILLERS who work for money, they are bad from an ethical point of view but it is their job.
Later they will also understand why HxH Antagonists are the most "realistic" ones in the anime.
you still didn't disprove his point tho. they are bad people.the killua's Family is also evil. its as simple as that.them not being"typical villains that you find in the different series" doesn't make them any less evil. stop trying to sugar coat it.
Rob watching ... *nothing*
Rob discussing *extreme heat*
I gotta be honest I love these discussions. It just shows how good the show is. If it's trash you don't even think about it twice. If a show can rile you up it's good.
The troupe is a group of drifters and bandits. They have a simple philosophy that feitan reiterates multiple times which is “we’re bandits. If we want something we just take it” so they are just total badasses that look for comrades that are like minded. I feel like this makes them some of the most human criminal organizations in anime. But by no means are they what we would consider ethical
The Spiders are villans, but god damn they are real niggas, you can't even hate the guys
I can't believe these words would come out of my mouth but Rob is right
This after episode discussion is fantastic
Nah, If Hisoka doesn't deem you as a threat or a problem, he will just kill you (in the manga he killed innocent people just because he can). The only people Hisoka spares are people that are strong or have the potential to fight him to the battle of death.
He is like an evil Goku when you think about it, but he wouldn't spare his opponent or let them heal since he is almost always bloodlusted. Lol.
Yes thank you! Finally somebody who understands Hisoka! He is Chaotic Evil. XD You won't believe how many people I've had to argue all that information too.
What Phinks is saying is that Since Chrollo no longer has Nen in him the after-effects(powered by Kurapika's hatred) for killing Kurapika would be passed onto Chrollo which would immediately die because he has no protection to Nen like Uvogin when he was captured by Kurapika.
Somehow, Rob and everyone missed the flashbacks of young Chrollo living in trash, Meteor City. The Troupe is from a very very very very very very poor place where ppl treated them like trash.
Phantom Troupe are like thugs from the hood who learned life thru pain and not having anything and watching ppl die (and them themselves starving and fighting to live) trying to survive. They made it out of the hood but unfortunately, the way the hood raised them taught them that they needed to take and kill to get what they want. I won't spoil you but it is for a cause. Doesn't make it right but you can understand where they are coming from.
Also, Frieza...was on Planet Namek and he's aPIRATE sent their to take over the planet... EVERYONE ON NAMEK KNEW WHO FRIEZA WAS and they were ALL TERRIFIED. Frieza didn't have to wild out because everyone was afraid.... Frieza is a typical villain (maybe there's deeper something to him) but he is always wildin whether it's thru his ppl or him because he wants to take over.
Uhh, there's nothing to spoil, there is no cause, and no matter the cause, even if the means to reach their end is killing, it's clear that they get joy out of killing, and do it even when they don't need too. This makes them objectively evil and their actions indefensible. You try to paint it as if just being from Meteor City makes you a sociopathic asshole, when it's clear that people like Canary prove otherwise.
@@mapleunix1 The Troupe is their own faction and much like the hunters they seek their own gain. Since the people of Meteor City are treated like scum, they are hardened to the rest of society and wish to do as they please. Since social status, money, and fame doesn’t interest them; I’m quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast. Just as they also return to defend Meteor City if it is in danger, and why the Mafia bounties on their heads get rescinded. (The Mafia needs Meteor City’s support, so hunting the Troupe is out of the question.) The Phantom Troupe are Heroes to Meteor City.
@@riatanina All of that is neither here nor there. Rob's point was that whatever traits make them good don't make up for the fact that they're morally deprived deviants who take pleasure and pride in the murder of innocents, and he's absolutely right. Look, if they just murdered mafia people, then who cares? But they clearly go after innocents such as the Kurta, which is indefensible.
@@mapleunix1 The Kurta clan were also outcasts, viewing the outside world as evil and crazy, hiding away in their secluded village. As Meteor City is open to the idea of taking from everyone (aka viewing all as equal opportunities) of course the Troupe would have no problem with eliminating the village for their own gain. People want to consider the Troupe pure evil for such an act, yet is it not the world that was evil? The fact that the Kurta eyes were viewed as such an expensive treasure, that nobody cared about the deaths and happily bought up all the eyes as common trophies. How the eyes continued to circle the world going for outrageous bids. It is simply the fact that the Kurta secluded themselves that no one cared for the outcome. And even more so, how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent? The Kurta viewed the whole world as enemies before encountering the Phantom Troupe, and Uvogin said the Kurta were powerful. Kurapika was a young child when his people where wiped out. Kurapika didn’t know his clans history, even he thought going through all those trials to leave was odd. In short, there isn’t enough information on the Kurta to view them as good or bad.
If anything Kurapika is cursed for not dying with the rest of his clan. Doomed to kill in cold blood; seeking the revenge that will ultimately lead to his death. Kurapika joins the Mafia, also considered an evil organization, with the goal of getting close to those who collect eyes so he can slaughter them and reclaim the eyes themselves. (At least that is what he believed back when he first joined in the mansion, before he started to care for friends.) He wishes to chain the buyers and troupe to hell, yet doesn’t realize he would be trapped with all of them in hell when he dies as well. And as the Kurta view the world as evil, Kurapika was ready to kill Melody in cold blood when they first talked together.
Kurapika could have became a hunter, got a respectable job in one of the categories (to earn enough money to buy most of the eyes), pay his respects to his people, and settle down to revive his clan and keep themselves secret. Then when he would have died at an older age, he would at least get to see his clan again. (Cause he isn’t going to his clan anymore…that’s for sure.)
@@riatanina Jesus Christ, first of all, in your first comment you mentioned how you're "quite sure most of there profits return to Meteor City to help improve the lives of the rest of the outcast", and I didn't even call you out on how that's pure speculation, but now you claim that "how do we know that the Kurta clan is innocent?", when there's been no hint in the story to suggest otherwise. They viewed the world as enemies because they literally are, as essentially you said yourself, because they keep being hunted for their eyes. The Kurta being powerful says nothing of their morality.
Also, your second paragraph is irrelevant to the point at hand, which is that the Troupe is evil and their actions unjustifiable. Why are you trying to argue otherwise when it's just plain as day? lol
Also also, Kurapika is just taking it upon himself to hunt a band of murderous thieves at the expense of his own life. He is not killing for killing's sake, he visually and verbally is shown to abhor the associated violence, and he puts his friends before his lust for vengeance, so the characters are not comparable.
Short explanation about the end:
Nen lasts after death, So kurapika his nen could last after death, due to the amount of hatred he has harnesses towards the spider.
The troupe's worry, is that if they kill kurapika, that his hatred nen will grow after death and thus kill their boss.
Keeping it as spoiler free as possible, this is just based on what he told killua and gon at the end.
i don’t think this show has a good dub in my opinion...i wouldn’t recommend for y’all to watch HxH in dub
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What happens with the dub is that in the crucial moments they do not go beyond. The best episodes of this anime are incredible many times thanks to the voice actors, you know what I mean ...
Just my opinion but I don't think the voices match the characters that well
Kechu Gonzalez yea exactly my point i feel like the best moments of the show that made me feel some type of way in the show were kinda messed up because of the voice acting
Dub is cool but some parts of chimera ant are not as epic in dub