I wonder if Fzwoch is one of the many people who got tired of lack of fix for the OBS NDI audio desync that users of the (nearly identical) OBS to OBS method commonly encountered, and went and developed his own alternative. The reviews on this from the OBS plugin page have very promising results regarding audio sync so thats nice to see! I don't think the OBS NDI plugin dev got around to updating it to support NDI 5 so in its current NDI 4 state, this looks like a really great alternative! *Edit:* commented halfway thru, shoulda kept watching lol
Author here. I never used NDI myself, just heard people like using it for that feature. Was always annoyed by the fact that due to NDI SDK the plugin basically is not cleanly GPL compatible. So I just wanted a couple a things: a) a free GPL compatible alternative, b) try out feasibility of Go for writing OBS plugins, c) how feasible it would be to simply encode and send JPEG frames for this use case.
It depends if the source or destination handles the encoding. Ndi originally wasn't great as both took an impact. So for gaming a capture card was always better
It’s going to be a lot less than NDI since it just uses JPEG encoding, which is about as lightweight as it gets for this scenario - but there will still be a small hit of the compositing load of OBS.
@@EposVox Given the relatively low resource drain for encoding on the sending computer, would it be viable to run OBS on a main computer where you have both gameplay, scene compositing, and audio (possibly mostly handled through hardware like with a PreSonus interface running Universal Control), and then teleport this to another PC which would encode and stream it? Or are the performance savings not worth it here given all the work OBS is having to do on the sending computer? If this is viable I see this as a more user friendly option than using NDI to send gameplay to a streaming PC which then runs everything else as it allows you to directly adjust you your scenes, discord, and such from the computer your actually on (as your playing games on it). The other thing is that your mic, webcam, and such are then also plugged into your main PC for when you're not streaming.
@Lime this is my question exactly. Does my gaming PC actually benefit from running OBS and teleporting gameplay from the gaming PC to streaming PC vs just gaming and streaming from the gaming PC
I'd like to describe my own experiences with both Teleport and NDI. TL;DR version: It uses MJPEG and likely a transport format that doesn't support alpha channels. A lot of VTubers want alpha channel if they happen to run their programs and composite a scene on a separate computer like I do. Not to mention, the discovery protocol is incompatible with at least one piece of third-party host-based firewalling software. In my case, it may work for sending a final, fully-composited to an encoder machine for final encoding and packet-pushing to whichever streaming service(s) you're using. Full technical overview: 1. The plugin does not use H.264, but MJPEG (Motion JPEG). That means that each individual frame is compressed individually then sent over the network instead of the usual I/P/B frames that full-motion video is encoded with. 2. That brings me to something that makes it a deal-breaker for some of the parts of the streams I do I'm a VTuber and one of the things I value a lot is the ability to use alpha channel on my avatar. Or more accurately, NOT use chroma keying. From what I can tell, while NDI does support alpha channel as a source or source filter, Teleport does not appear to, owing to what I mentioned above. Unlike many VTubers, I run my VTuber animation program, VTube Studio, on a completely different PC, plus a program I use to give my viewers the ability to throw things at me. Finally, I put the scenes together via a compositing program, in this case, an OBS Studio process on that computer. Since I encode on ANOTHER PC, it CAN work as a final transport to the encoding/packet-pushing PC, which itself also uses its own OBS Studio process. 3. Finally, Teleport may have trouble with some software firewall products. Or at the very least, it does with the one I use, Comodo Firewall. That's because in order for a receiver to enumerate all the available sources on the network, it uses multicast, wherein the client listens for traffic destined to IP address 239.255.255.250, which is the SSDP (Simple Service Discovery Protocol) multicast IP address, which may end up getting blocked by some host-based software firewalls, thinking it's "outside traffic". In Comodo's case, no number of exceptions help. NDI may be using unicast broadcasts, where it sends to the network's broadcast address, since it works with Comodo. It's a great alternative for those who'd rather have something simple and/or GNU GPL-compliant to be sure. However, some of the shortcomings make it a deal-breaker for me, given my need for alpha channel support, and that it's unique to OBS, which isn't necessarily a bad thing; it's just that nothing else uses it. As such, I stick with NDI, encoding NDI5 wherever I can . While VTube Studio can natively output NDI 4 and 5, the Throwing System as I call that program does not, requiring an OBS Studio process to composite the scene with an NDI output filter to send the video and an audio-only instance to send the scene's audio to the main PC I game at. Worse, the NDI HX encoder that comes in the NewTek kit only supports displays as sources, not cameras or anything else. Anyway, I hope this all makes sense.
Why would you want your alpha channel avatar rendering on your gaming PC to then be sent over? At that point your gaming PC is going most of the work and you’re likely seeing very minimal benefits from a dual PC environment
Actually, I should just talk with you on Discord. My setup is a pretty complicated one. I actually had as many as FIVE computers involved in a recent Phasmophobia setup. After some minor hiccups at the beginning It actually worked much better than I had hoped it would.
I recently updated OBS and switched from NDI to Teleport but am constantly running into the web cam Audio syncing issues. Eventually what happens is the game audio is matched up perfectly, but the webcam is out of sync with the audio. I figured out disabling the buffering helps a bit, but randomly in the middle of a 3-5 hour stream, my web cam and audio will be slightly out of sync again. I also already added a 500ms Sync Offset to the webcam under the Teleport Source, but still run into this issue daily. I didn't have this issue with NDI on OBS 27 but now Im on OBS 30 w/ Teleport and its hell! Any suggestions? (webcam is on the stream PC, microphone and gaming is done on the gaming PC)
I remember messing aroudn with nginx rtmp to get a dual pc stream going. I still own 2 pc's and this actually made me consider putting the second pc to use again :D. good stuff!
Just from experience, for a church setup I’ve needed several NDI|HX streams of my preview broadcast and individual scenes from OBS. When I’ve used NDI Output or an NDI output filter its a full NDI bandwidth stream. What I do on the same computer is open up NDI Tools and NDI Bridge on the same computer. In NDI Bridge I click on the Local tab. I name the NDI Bridge so I can see what the streams are in OBS, VMix and any software that I want to receive NDI. Then I click the settings gear icon and choose H.264 or HEVC and choose the quality. I press start and NDI Bridge starts transcoding the NDI streams in that local computer as well as any other NDI sources on the network. On all the other computers on the network the OBS streams are available now as an NDI|HX stream. I find the step of transcoding OBS output streams locally on the same machine with NDI Bridge an extra step and may use a bit extra resources. However it works pretty well as NDI Bridge uses NVENC. NDI|HX has pretty good load balancing performance over full NDI. Using multiple full NDI streams means that on most consumer switches that do not support Flow Control, Jumbo Frames, IGMP Snooping, IGMP Querying, IGMP Proxying, Avahi and Bonjour services (mDNS), you run the high risk of having NDI failures on a 1Gbe switch, or even a 10 Gbe switch. Consumer L2 switches and even consumer L3 routers do not support advanced multicast features without paying a premium. Also many routers push multicast traffic through Wi-Fi as the priority and then any full bandwidth NDI on Ethernet has a possibility of failure. So multiple NDI|HX streams have been engineered to be able to run on Wi-Fi, Ethernet and okay well with other networking protocols like NDI full as well as DANTE audio. It’s able to efficiently do this in Unicast UDP FEC (forward error correction) TCP, TCP round robin and Multicast. So using NDI Bridge on the same machine to do an extra transcode is worth the effort and small resource footprint because it has proven reliability. OBS Teleport looks simple and it may be a good easy alternative. However I don’t know if the backend of this plugin has an optimized approach of having multiple audio and video streams on a consumer LAN. Maybe you could get an interview or response from the developer or someone who can review the code to answer how reliable this method is in a LAN with multiple streams? Thanks for the great video and tool!
This is the reason I'm switching to Teleport. I can't seem to get NDI to work with OBS 28 without jumping through hoops, but Teleport is super easy to setup.
this video couldn't have come at a better time haha. Preparing for a big multicam stream and was getting worried that too many NDI sources were gonna kill our meager bandwidth.
Anyone having issue with NDI where the PC receiving the NDI feed will constantly stutter for 0.5 second every 5 seconds? I have both PC with 1gbps lan (confirmed) and the NDI stream was showing 200mbps on the receiving the pc. so far the only way to fix it. is to keep restart both pc until it automatically fix itself.
Wasn't able to get this working on the new M1 Max Macbook Pro :/ I installed the plugin to the correct folder, double checked 3 times, restarted my mac once and still there's no Teleport option in OBS anywhere unfortunately. I'll keep an eye on this though because this is the exact thing I need for my 2 PC stream setup, Thanks for bringing it to our attention Epos!
I couldn't install it either... the zip-file does not contain any exe-file to install the plugin? Oh well the zip-file doesn't contain any dll:s either...
I’ve been using NDI HX screen capture with OBS for a while now in my studio because the main mix PC is running at 4k60, and it took a switch to an nvidia graphics card on the source machine and K-lite codecs on the capture machine, now it’s running perfectly!
Thank you for illustrating the use-case differences between NDI and Teleport. Personally I'm going to be sticking to NDI just because it lets me output my OBS to a window (via NDI Monitor) which I can then stream to discord for console games or other stuff, but if it wasn't for that I'd be hopping on teleport immediately. Plus, Obs-NDI is one of *those* plugins that wrecks the 'minimise to taskbar' function if that's important to you.
Wym it wrecks the 'minimise to taskbar' function? Im currently using Obs-NDI on OBS 27 and everything is working great. The only weirdness I have is that when using its Dedicated NDI Output filter for audio, having OBS opened on my 2nd monitor caps my game at 120fps, minimizing OBS uncaps it...?
I have a question and I've been searching for an answer for days with no success. Can you help me out? My goal is to do 4k60fps gaming live streams with 51000 kbps bitrate here on youtube. I already have a PC with 5950x+3090+128gb RAM and while gaming, it can't handle 4k60fps streaming. So I want to build a 2nd pc that can take all the streaming load and let me do 4k60fps streams without problems. What cpu or gpu should I get? Can just a cpu handle all the load? or should i get a good gpu and don't spend much on cpu? What should I get? Also, I play on 4k 144hz monitors. Should I get a capture card (if yes which one?) or should I use NDI for it? My current motherboard has 2 ethernet ports. 1gbps and 2.5gbps. The new motherboard will definitely have a 2.5gbps port so directly connecting 2 pc with ethernet might work? IDK what i am thinking or what I should do. I have no experience with 2 pc setups or capture cards or ndi. What should I do and what should I get? It'll be a HUGE help if you can suggest me a solution for this. I will never forget it for as long as I live. Please help me out.
hanks for a lowdown on Teleport - I'll check it out as I'm planning to divide my studio setup and make it more modular. Trying to pull it off with ffmpeg, but I'll go for Teleport if it's better.
im having trouble with my pc and obs im in disbeleif how is a rtx 3090 not able too handle cod mw2 at full settings at 4k 60fps and capture record on my pc iwth a i912900k with 64gb ram??? or am i wrong? i did check out the task manager performance tab and i seen that it is almost maxing out the 3090 v ram and encoding is almost to 90% the only thing that help was swicthing the encode in record video tab in obs too x264 wich places the burden on the cpu rather than the gpu, the problem was a whole bunch of encoding lagg alot!!!! red frames droped lik 2-4 but thats ok, im tryng to find a solution to my issue ive done all the tricks at tips and nothing worked i think the gpu is bottle necked but im in disbelief!!! is a double pc a good idea?? please help im pretty drained from researching and tryng i spent 8 hours doing experiments and tryng but no luck.
if i am different place with my friends can they send me their gameplay via their obs to my streaming pc obs with teleport or ndi or that is only for local router?
If I use Teleport in the video effects and audio effects individually, will they be sent out in sync? I basically want to send out my video stream but have audio inputs be sent out separately (game, mic, discord). That way I can record on my 2nd PC and have the ability to edit the audio in post.
Would Teleport or NDI be the better solution for dual PC streaming with a 3440×1440p monitor considering there isn't really a good capture card for this
For the life of me I am this plugin just isn’t showing up in my tools tray... I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, extracting the file to OBS plugins and nothing
Can someone confirm... the zip-file (link provided in the description) doesn't contain any exe- nor dll-files? Me with my dummy brain cannot get this installed LUL...
Can't wait for that NDI bridge video. Been meaning to experiment with it but haven't found the time. Seems like a great alternative to discord,Skype, etc for video remote podcasts.
I poked around the code of the plugin a little to see how the video was encoded. It's written in go so that's nice, means it's performance and easy to read. It seems to be sending the video over the network just using jpeg compression, Possibly mjpeg but they are just using the normal jpeg package for go so I doubt it, which is why it has a 0-100 quality slider. At 95 the compression artifacts should be basically impossible to notice on twitch streams anyway but any higher typically has minimal benefit. Thanks for bringing light to a very interesting plugin! EDIT1 (might be more): For the audio filter it seems to just send the raw audio captured from OBS, I do not think this means the AAC encoded audio from the output settings but the basically uncompressed audio from OBS itself, I'm not entirely sure how the audio hooking works in OBS tho EDIT2: Theoretically this tool could be adapted to just send webcams and captures card feeds as it's own app so you can cut back on a little bit of overhead from OBS for use on platforms like the Pi. I don't have the knowledge in networking to try that conversion so I'll open a request on GitHub to see what they think
This would be amazing for hooking a camera up to a Raspberry Pi and being able to send that video feed over the network. I know there is an OS or software tool that allows this functionality using NDI but I haven't tested it because even the Pi 4 seemed not to be able to handle 1080p encoding on that setup. Having a standalone open source "portals encoder" that behaves just like the birddog devices would be amazing
@@BuyMyMojo Thanks you consider the just-written-down-spaghetti-code well readable! I'm happy to assist wherever I can. But I just can spend a certain amount of time on free, fun stuff.
We've messed around with OBS Teleport and NDI 4, to no avail. For some reason it just doesn't look as good compared to streaming direct from the host machine, mainly in frames "gallomping". OBS Teleport was the worst offender, and looked like it was outputting 30fps! Perhaps the issue is that there are so many points of potential issue. It's quite the slog to find out if the problem is network bandwidth, CPU speed (though they all report low usage), a limit of the compression tech or something else. Even with everything rocking through a 1gig switch, which should be plenty.
I've been using NDI for three or four years for a dual PC setup. It's a godsend. Teleport seems like the kick in the pants for me to, finally, set this ish up correctly LOL
@@SlevinKaleveraI do the same, but have my yeti mic hooked up to my game pc. Do I just have to add another NDI source to my stream pc to pick up my mic on the game pc? I use NDI Screen Capture to send the screen and desktop audio from my game pc to my stream pc but I can't figure out how to get the microphone audio in there.
@@SlevinKalevera dang.. Idk why I'm even messing with this stuff right now my set up before was fine 😂 I just wanted to juice as many frames out of my gaming pc as possible 😂 but I'll figure it out. Thanks for the quick reply
I was having an issue for the first time in a long time with NDI, stumbled up this episode and followed the instructions, and still, found myself having the same issue. Black screen on streaming PC: 1. checked firewall settings and AV including Malwwarebytes 2. port settings on computers and router 3. connections are ethernet 1gbs 4. reinsall of obs and ndi and then first time installing the teleport Same result: black screen. As I was thumbing over some apps that are running the streaming pc I saw something...something that isn't typically on. The VPN on the streaming computer. When I turned it off, the streaming PC immediately starting the correct display again.
I really want to use teleport, but for what ever reason my streaming PC isn't seeing my sending PC even after refreshing the list? Also my sending PC isn't seeing my streaming PC? Can't figure out what the deal is here. Any suggestions?
For a whole house set up with multiple computers outputting NDI to one or more streaming PCs, do you have any solution for getting chat and alerts to the remote "set"? I've thought about just carrying around a tablet but proper audio routing with ability to truly monitor resulting stream + audio is always where I get stuck.
I am supporting an E-Sports group. If I am running 10 PCs with NDI/Teleport will the 140mbs be on network only when that PC is chosen as a source? Or will all PCs flood network with 140 mbs each?
Anyone know of a good troubleshooting video for Teleport in OBS? My game play PC is not showing up as an available teleport source on my recording/streaming machine. Checked port and firewall. Still no luck.
I have an issue, I can send my windows OBS to a Teleport source in a Mac but not the other way around, I cannot get my Teleport Source inside Windows PC OBS to see my Mac, I hit the refresh button and the Windows PC just doesn't see it.
Haha hey bro I would probably blur out your IP addresses I’m no computer expert but I have friends who when I was younger would try a bunch of fucked up things just for fun if they had a IP address.
Does anyone know why NDI HX does not detect any of my camera sources? It only lets me select screen sources to capture. I have several webcams that I've tested it with, USB webcams and even a Camlink 4K.
Very interesting plugin. One thing that I don't think was pointed out completely, does OBS NDI or OBS Teleport send the base canvas resolution or the output resolution?
I mean… you’re literally sending video sources as video streams the same as you would with normal OBS, I’m not sure how this is any less secure or requires any less common sense lol. It’s just broadcasting a feed of your choosing encoded in JPEG locally instead of feeding to Twitch or TH-cam. Would you normally show sensitive info on stream?
any issue with the audio going out of sync over time? That was ultimately what made me give up on NDI for my setup and go with HDMI for audio and video. regarding NDI on mac, last time I tried it late last year there are some things missing like the Audio Direct VST plugins. For dual monitor setup it would send both as a continuous source which was pretty cool, but it was missing the mouse cursor! Terrible for daw tutorials. I'm going to test this soon, thanks for the showcase of the new tool
It's a known issue with NDI output (+decklink out and more plugins) and has been for years at this point. It has to do with how OBS internally handles audio buffers. People have been working on a fix, but when (and if) that gets implemented is unknown.
Been using old NDI for a while now, don't think I'll ever switch back to a capture card unless I have to. Will try teleport, that slider is something I wish I've had on the NDi cause low setting there is unusable. Quality is flawless, impact on performance is non-existent and my streaming PC can use a slower preset to stream thanks to it not being required to do stuff for capture card. Guess more expensive capture cards have their own color processing units but this is just better. It's orders of magnitude cheaper, works better and looks better.
Anybody else getting a weird delay using teleport ? I added a delay to my goxlr audio bcuz all my audio is routed through there since I’m using dual pcs i delayed that audio to fix it and it did , but randomly the audio desynced so i delayed the teleport source and the audio and it matches up but randomly desyncs
I have a few questions. The point of a dual pc setup is to take the load off of the cpu correct? There is no way for you encode what your screen is playing using a two gpu's? Is it possible to have to have a 2nd gpu for encoding at all or are you stuck with having your main gpu both encode and render games?
ndi 1440 to my capture pc is around 80mb/s max ndi 5 hx ....is yours a 4k stream taking 130mb/s? both pcs have nvidia cards with nvec aswell. Thanks for the info in the video I did not realize obs ndi plugin was so out of date not outputting as much as it could. i used to use obs to obs now just ndi 5 hx to obs then out to stream service.
Quality is very good from my Win 11 PC (teleport enabled) to my Mac (OBS). But from mac book pro (teleport enabled) to my Win11 PC (OBS) video stream received is not very good, even with quality set to the best (100)
All of them You can’t send video over the network without it getting encoded in some way. But it’s using JPEG encoding which is as lightweight as it gets
Does teleport or NDI need a high-bandwidth router? I'm thinking of doing a production with mostly computers and I need to know if I need to invest in a high end router
I mean, you CAN by adding the filter to every scene, but then you’re forcing your computer to render them all at once and losing any benefit of a 2PC setup lol
The title implies this is instruction on how to set up a pc stream without a capture card. Instead it's just a dude talking about his setup...and it's long...no instructions about what the title is about. A lot of talk about NDI, not even in the title. Congrats on a bored to death first impression. omg
I definitely and absolutely show you how to do it. This video is over a year old and you’re the first one to express such a sentiment. “It’s not me, it’s you”
@@EposVox Wow. I don’t know what to say. I watched it again and you did cover it. My apologies. Probably these painkillers for my back making me nod off a little. Again, I apologize. You do cover it.
Are you only using NDI and Teleport to get a more lossless capture? Why not use something like Parsec or Teradici that cannot only do local but internet streaming with nearly no latency (depending on distance) and much lower bandwidth? I guess you lose some source manipulation in the form of separate feeds since parsec is just display streaming but @50mbps it'd be a lot less of a hog on the network and it supports h265 if needed to keep bandwidth lower and 4:4:4 if your hardware supports it and you pay for warp.
What kind of home network bandwidth do you need to use this? I've experimented with previous versions of NDI, and found we soaked the network really fast.
I just installed obs-teleport to my steam deck install of obs, and am planning to use it as my streaming device while my main pc can focus on playing games. Freaking awesome
Hey, is there a downside having my old 1080 Ti next to my 3090 in slots 1&2 (2 of the 3 PCI slots supporting GPUs) and running both 8x. I use the 1080 Ti for multiple things like rendering & running low Hz monitors off it. I don't have the money atm to finish building second PC (missing ram). My FPS is fine in games, but I do get weird stuttering in Windows. (Games are using the 3090 fine, no need to even configure them to do so).
Also, using the 1080 Ti to record & stream. I know the new 3000 series has the cores for it, but it just feels right to utilize the 1080 Ti more. I used to have it on a shelf. I still have the 2nd PC parts on a shelf waiting the day I can afford the ram, but yeah... Dunno.
I have a pretty simple issue, idk if this is the best fix for it or if it's overkill. My PC is too far from my couch to use OBS to change scenes confortably. Could I use teleport to use a laptop to control obs scenes?
Teleport is just for sending the scenes, that would be kind of wasteful, but you can use OBS Websockets for that! It’s a plugin and then you can access the webui from your laptop to control it
I wonder if Fzwoch is one of the many people who got tired of lack of fix for the OBS NDI audio desync that users of the (nearly identical) OBS to OBS method commonly encountered, and went and developed his own alternative. The reviews on this from the OBS plugin page have very promising results regarding audio sync so thats nice to see! I don't think the OBS NDI plugin dev got around to updating it to support NDI 5 so in its current NDI 4 state, this looks like a really great alternative!
*Edit:* commented halfway thru, shoulda kept watching lol
Author here. I never used NDI myself, just heard people like using it for that feature. Was always annoyed by the fact that due to NDI SDK the plugin basically is not cleanly GPL compatible. So I just wanted a couple a things: a) a free GPL compatible alternative, b) try out feasibility of Go for writing OBS plugins, c) how feasible it would be to simply encode and send JPEG frames for this use case.
@@FlorianZwoch thanks for the info!
@@FlorianZwochare you encoding in h264? Can av1 be added so less bandwidth can be used at a higher quality?
What would the performance impact of this be for sending a feed from my gaming PC to my streaming PC? Great video by the way!
Lachy!!
It depends if the source or destination handles the encoding. Ndi originally wasn't great as both took an impact. So for gaming a capture card was always better
It’s going to be a lot less than NDI since it just uses JPEG encoding, which is about as lightweight as it gets for this scenario - but there will still be a small hit of the compositing load of OBS.
@@EposVox Given the relatively low resource drain for encoding on the sending computer, would it be viable to run OBS on a main computer where you have both gameplay, scene compositing, and audio (possibly mostly handled through hardware like with a PreSonus interface running Universal Control), and then teleport this to another PC which would encode and stream it? Or are the performance savings not worth it here given all the work OBS is having to do on the sending computer?
If this is viable I see this as a more user friendly option than using NDI to send gameplay to a streaming PC which then runs everything else as it allows you to directly adjust you your scenes, discord, and such from the computer your actually on (as your playing games on it). The other thing is that your mic, webcam, and such are then also plugged into your main PC for when you're not streaming.
@Lime this is my question exactly. Does my gaming PC actually benefit from running OBS and teleporting gameplay from the gaming PC to streaming PC vs just gaming and streaming from the gaming PC
I'd like to describe my own experiences with both Teleport and NDI.
TL;DR version:
It uses MJPEG and likely a transport format that doesn't support alpha channels. A lot of VTubers want alpha channel if they happen to run their programs and composite a scene on a separate computer like I do. Not to mention, the discovery protocol is incompatible with at least one piece of third-party host-based firewalling software. In my case, it may work for sending a final, fully-composited to an encoder machine for final encoding and packet-pushing to whichever streaming service(s) you're using.
Full technical overview:
1. The plugin does not use H.264, but MJPEG (Motion JPEG). That means that each individual frame is compressed individually then sent over the network instead of the usual I/P/B frames that full-motion video is encoded with.
2. That brings me to something that makes it a deal-breaker for some of the parts of the streams I do I'm a VTuber and one of the things I value a lot is the ability to use alpha channel on my avatar. Or more accurately, NOT use chroma keying. From what I can tell, while NDI does support alpha channel as a source or source filter, Teleport does not appear to, owing to what I mentioned above. Unlike many VTubers, I run my VTuber animation program, VTube Studio, on a completely different PC, plus a program I use to give my viewers the ability to throw things at me. Finally, I put the scenes together via a compositing program, in this case, an OBS Studio process on that computer. Since I encode on ANOTHER PC, it CAN work as a final transport to the encoding/packet-pushing PC, which itself also uses its own OBS Studio process.
3. Finally, Teleport may have trouble with some software firewall products. Or at the very least, it does with the one I use, Comodo Firewall. That's because in order for a receiver to enumerate all the available sources on the network, it uses multicast, wherein the client listens for traffic destined to IP address 239.255.255.250, which is the SSDP (Simple Service Discovery Protocol) multicast IP address, which may end up getting blocked by some host-based software firewalls, thinking it's "outside traffic". In Comodo's case, no number of exceptions help. NDI may be using unicast broadcasts, where it sends to the network's broadcast address, since it works with Comodo.
It's a great alternative for those who'd rather have something simple and/or GNU GPL-compliant to be sure. However, some of the shortcomings make it a deal-breaker for me, given my need for alpha channel support, and that it's unique to OBS, which isn't necessarily a bad thing; it's just that nothing else uses it. As such, I stick with NDI, encoding NDI5 wherever I can . While VTube Studio can natively output NDI 4 and 5, the Throwing System as I call that program does not, requiring an OBS Studio process to composite the scene with an NDI output filter to send the video and an audio-only instance to send the scene's audio to the main PC I game at. Worse, the NDI HX encoder that comes in the NewTek kit only supports displays as sources, not cameras or anything else.
Anyway, I hope this all makes sense.
Why would you want your alpha channel avatar rendering on your gaming PC to then be sent over? At that point your gaming PC is going most of the work and you’re likely seeing very minimal benefits from a dual PC environment
Actually, I should just talk with you on Discord. My setup is a pretty complicated one. I actually had as many as FIVE computers involved in a recent Phasmophobia setup. After some minor hiccups at the beginning It actually worked much better than I had hoped it would.
I recently updated OBS and switched from NDI to Teleport but am constantly running into the web cam Audio syncing issues. Eventually what happens is the game audio is matched up perfectly, but the webcam is out of sync with the audio. I figured out disabling the buffering helps a bit, but randomly in the middle of a 3-5 hour stream, my web cam and audio will be slightly out of sync again. I also already added a 500ms Sync Offset to the webcam under the Teleport Source, but still run into this issue daily. I didn't have this issue with NDI on OBS 27 but now Im on OBS 30 w/ Teleport and its hell! Any suggestions? (webcam is on the stream PC, microphone and gaming is done on the gaming PC)
I remember messing aroudn with nginx rtmp to get a dual pc stream going. I still own 2 pc's and this actually made me consider putting the second pc to use again :D. good stuff!
Just from experience, for a church setup I’ve needed several NDI|HX streams of my preview broadcast and individual scenes from OBS.
When I’ve used NDI Output or an NDI output filter its a full NDI bandwidth stream.
What I do on the same computer is open up NDI Tools and NDI Bridge on the same computer. In NDI Bridge I click on the Local tab. I name the NDI Bridge so I can see what the streams are in OBS, VMix and any software that I want to receive NDI. Then I click the settings gear icon and choose H.264 or HEVC and choose the quality.
I press start and NDI Bridge starts transcoding the NDI streams in that local computer as well as any other NDI sources on the network.
On all the other computers on the network the OBS streams are available now as an NDI|HX stream.
I find the step of transcoding OBS output streams locally on the same machine with NDI Bridge an extra step and may use a bit extra resources. However it works pretty well as NDI Bridge uses NVENC.
NDI|HX has pretty good load balancing performance over full NDI.
Using multiple full NDI streams means that on most consumer switches that do not support Flow Control, Jumbo Frames, IGMP Snooping, IGMP Querying, IGMP Proxying, Avahi and Bonjour services (mDNS), you run the high risk of having NDI failures on a 1Gbe switch, or even a 10 Gbe switch. Consumer L2 switches and even consumer L3 routers do not support advanced multicast features without paying a premium. Also many routers push multicast traffic through Wi-Fi as the priority and then any full bandwidth NDI on Ethernet has a possibility of failure.
So multiple NDI|HX streams have been engineered to be able to run on Wi-Fi, Ethernet and okay well with other networking protocols like NDI full as well as DANTE audio. It’s able to efficiently do this in Unicast UDP FEC (forward error correction) TCP, TCP round robin and Multicast.
So using NDI Bridge on the same machine to do an extra transcode is worth the effort and small resource footprint because it has proven reliability.
OBS Teleport looks simple and it may be a good easy alternative. However I don’t know if the backend of this plugin has an optimized approach of having multiple audio and video streams on a consumer LAN.
Maybe you could get an interview or response from the developer or someone who can review the code to answer how reliable this method is in a LAN with multiple streams?
Thanks for the great video and tool!
Would love to see an updated video on NDI. Just a shame that it looks like Palakis has abandoned all their plugins.
This is the reason I'm switching to Teleport. I can't seem to get NDI to work with OBS 28 without jumping through hoops, but Teleport is super easy to setup.
@@jedi420broI just switched to teleport because I have had problems with the ndi plug-in all of a sudden. It worked great till now.
this video couldn't have come at a better time haha. Preparing for a big multicam stream and was getting worried that too many NDI sources were gonna kill our meager bandwidth.
How are you using NDI now?
Anyone having issue with NDI where the PC receiving the NDI feed will constantly stutter for 0.5 second every 5 seconds?
I have both PC with 1gbps lan (confirmed) and the NDI stream was showing 200mbps on the receiving the pc.
so far the only way to fix it. is to keep restart both pc until it automatically fix itself.
Wasn't able to get this working on the new M1 Max Macbook Pro :/ I installed the plugin to the correct folder, double checked 3 times, restarted my mac once and still there's no Teleport option in OBS anywhere unfortunately. I'll keep an eye on this though because this is the exact thing I need for my 2 PC stream setup, Thanks for bringing it to our attention Epos!
I couldn't install it either... the zip-file does not contain any exe-file to install the plugin? Oh well the zip-file doesn't contain any dll:s either...
I’ve been using NDI HX screen capture with OBS for a while now in my studio because the main mix PC is running at 4k60, and it took a switch to an nvidia graphics card on the source machine and K-lite codecs on the capture machine, now it’s running perfectly!
Thank you for illustrating the use-case differences between NDI and Teleport. Personally I'm going to be sticking to NDI just because it lets me output my OBS to a window (via NDI Monitor) which I can then stream to discord for console games or other stuff, but if it wasn't for that I'd be hopping on teleport immediately. Plus, Obs-NDI is one of *those* plugins that wrecks the 'minimise to taskbar' function if that's important to you.
Wym it wrecks the 'minimise to taskbar' function? Im currently using Obs-NDI on OBS 27 and everything is working great. The only weirdness I have is that when using its Dedicated NDI Output filter for audio, having OBS opened on my 2nd monitor caps my game at 120fps, minimizing OBS uncaps it...?
This is super cool! I'm going to mess around with this soon. 😃
Ayyy Splitgate Fam!
YAS
I tried using Teleport and mid stream it started chugging for no reason :(
NDI works well 99.99% of the time though for me.
I have a question and I've been searching for an answer for days with no success. Can you help me out?
My goal is to do 4k60fps gaming live streams with 51000 kbps bitrate here on youtube.
I already have a PC with 5950x+3090+128gb RAM and while gaming, it can't handle 4k60fps streaming.
So I want to build a 2nd pc that can take all the streaming load and let me do 4k60fps streams without problems.
What cpu or gpu should I get? Can just a cpu handle all the load? or should i get a good gpu and don't spend much on cpu? What should I get?
Also, I play on 4k 144hz monitors. Should I get a capture card (if yes which one?) or should I use NDI for it? My current motherboard has 2 ethernet ports. 1gbps and 2.5gbps. The new motherboard will definitely have a 2.5gbps port so directly connecting 2 pc with ethernet might work? IDK what i am thinking or what I should do. I have no experience with 2 pc setups or capture cards or ndi. What should I do and what should I get?
It'll be a HUGE help if you can suggest me a solution for this. I will never forget it for as long as I live. Please help me out.
hanks for a lowdown on Teleport - I'll check it out as I'm planning to divide my studio setup and make it more modular. Trying to pull it off with ffmpeg, but I'll go for Teleport if it's better.
Hey mate just wondering if you know if this OBS plugin has a working version for macOS sonoma? i cant seem to get it to work on my mac?
Hey @EposVox, have you done a guide on how to build a minimalistic/secondary PC just for streaming at 1080p60? thanks very much
im having trouble with my pc and obs im in disbeleif how is a rtx 3090 not able too handle cod mw2 at full settings at 4k 60fps and capture record on my pc iwth a i912900k with 64gb ram??? or am i wrong? i did check out the task manager performance tab and i seen that it is almost maxing out the 3090 v ram and encoding is almost to 90% the only thing that help was swicthing the encode in record video tab in obs too x264 wich places the burden on the cpu rather than the gpu, the problem was a whole bunch of encoding lagg alot!!!! red frames droped lik 2-4 but thats ok, im tryng to find a solution to my issue ive done all the tricks at tips and nothing worked i think the gpu is bottle necked but im in disbelief!!! is a double pc a good idea?? please help im pretty drained from researching and tryng i spent 8 hours doing experiments and tryng but no luck.
if i am different place with my friends can they send me their gameplay via their obs to my streaming pc obs with teleport or ndi or that is only for local router?
If I use Teleport in the video effects and audio effects individually, will they be sent out in sync? I basically want to send out my video stream but have audio inputs be sent out separately (game, mic, discord). That way I can record on my 2nd PC and have the ability to edit the audio in post.
Would Teleport or NDI be the better solution for dual PC streaming with a 3440×1440p monitor considering there isn't really a good capture card for this
For the life of me I am this plugin just isn’t showing up in my tools tray... I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, extracting the file to OBS plugins and nothing
best plug in... NDI SOO COMPLICATED
Can someone confirm... the zip-file (link provided in the description) doesn't contain any exe- nor dll-files? Me with my dummy brain cannot get this installed LUL...
Can't wait for that NDI bridge video. Been meaning to experiment with it but haven't found the time. Seems like a great alternative to discord,Skype, etc for video remote podcasts.
Looks like a nice plugin - but I love NDI because it has a VST plugin to stream from a DAW. Hope someone picks up support for OBS NDI.
I poked around the code of the plugin a little to see how the video was encoded. It's written in go so that's nice, means it's performance and easy to read.
It seems to be sending the video over the network just using jpeg compression, Possibly mjpeg but they are just using the normal jpeg package for go so I doubt it, which is why it has a 0-100 quality slider.
At 95 the compression artifacts should be basically impossible to notice on twitch streams anyway but any higher typically has minimal benefit.
Thanks for bringing light to a very interesting plugin!
EDIT1 (might be more):
For the audio filter it seems to just send the raw audio captured from OBS, I do not think this means the AAC encoded audio from the output settings but the basically uncompressed audio from OBS itself, I'm not entirely sure how the audio hooking works in OBS tho
EDIT2:
Theoretically this tool could be adapted to just send webcams and captures card feeds as it's own app so you can cut back on a little bit of overhead from OBS for use on platforms like the Pi.
I don't have the knowledge in networking to try that conversion so I'll open a request on GitHub to see what they think
which uses more resources? NDI or the teleport one
This would be amazing for hooking a camera up to a Raspberry Pi and being able to send that video feed over the network. I know there is an OS or software tool that allows this functionality using NDI but I haven't tested it because even the Pi 4 seemed not to be able to handle 1080p encoding on that setup. Having a standalone open source "portals encoder" that behaves just like the birddog devices would be amazing
@@nathanielsett118 I'd guess that teleport uses less resources compared to the NDI plugin but I'm not too sure. I'll take a look at that today
@@LennertK I got word back from the Dev on GitHub that they won't be working on a dedicated program for now but hopefully someone creates it soon
@@BuyMyMojo Thanks you consider the just-written-down-spaghetti-code well readable! I'm happy to assist wherever I can. But I just can spend a certain amount of time on free, fun stuff.
Hows the latency? I want to play guitar through Garageband on a mac, and use OBS on my gaming PC to stream it. Would this application work for that?
You will need to add a delay to the audio to sync it.
FPS is like 30 on the streaming PC but quality and all that business does look sexy just unfortunate cant actually use it
Is there a way to separate audio tracks?
Great question
Nice.. but my streaming PC has nothing but a black screen.
can you do an update??? its not working for me :( and i cant figure this out. It just stopped 2 weeks ago.
We've messed around with OBS Teleport and NDI 4, to no avail. For some reason it just doesn't look as good compared to streaming direct from the host machine, mainly in frames "gallomping". OBS Teleport was the worst offender, and looked like it was outputting 30fps!
Perhaps the issue is that there are so many points of potential issue. It's quite the slog to find out if the problem is network bandwidth, CPU speed (though they all report low usage), a limit of the compression tech or something else. Even with everything rocking through a 1gig switch, which should be plenty.
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I get audio de-sync through NDI after an hour or two of streaming. Wonder if Teleport will have that same issue.
Well…praying my 460 redeon can push a stream still…
1 pc teleport enabled
other pc, teleport in tools not touched
this pc can't see the teleport-enabled pc
pretty useless, really
I've been using NDI for three or four years for a dual PC setup. It's a godsend. Teleport seems like the kick in the pants for me to, finally, set this ish up correctly LOL
If you don't mind me asking sir, which is working better so far?
@@Misfitted622 I haven't used teleport yet. Always the obs plugin
I send full OBS capture to my stream pc to upload. My setup is weird.
@@SlevinKaleveraI do the same, but have my yeti mic hooked up to my game pc. Do I just have to add another NDI source to my stream pc to pick up my mic on the game pc? I use NDI Screen Capture to send the screen and desktop audio from my game pc to my stream pc but I can't figure out how to get the microphone audio in there.
@@Twizyler I retired NDI when I built a god-rig shortly after this. Sorry, man. Not sure on how that works. ( This video is almost 2 years old )
@@SlevinKalevera dang.. Idk why I'm even messing with this stuff right now my set up before was fine 😂 I just wanted to juice as many frames out of my gaming pc as possible 😂 but I'll figure it out. Thanks for the quick reply
I was having an issue for the first time in a long time with NDI, stumbled up this episode and followed the instructions, and still, found myself having the same issue. Black screen on streaming PC:
1. checked firewall settings and AV including Malwwarebytes
2. port settings on computers and router
3. connections are ethernet 1gbs
4. reinsall of obs and ndi and then first time installing the teleport
Same result: black screen.
As I was thumbing over some apps that are running the streaming pc I saw something...something that isn't typically on. The VPN on the streaming computer. When I turned it off, the streaming PC immediately starting the correct display again.
Is it possible to record all the platforms, simultaneously?
It’s working but not perfect do u have a video on the new ndi
well teleport is working but when i stream on my other pc frps is like 30
hi!!!
it's a great idea but does it work on streamlabs obs? because I've tried and haven't found how to do it... any ideas? appreciate
Is there a tutorial anywhere on how to get my gaming pc to recognize my streaming laptop??
third video and everything is working im seeing it on my other pc but theres no video
I don't get any audio? Only picture
I really want to use teleport, but for what ever reason my streaming PC isn't seeing my sending PC even after refreshing the list? Also my sending PC isn't seeing my streaming PC? Can't figure out what the deal is here. Any suggestions?
For a whole house set up with multiple computers outputting NDI to one or more streaming PCs, do you have any solution for getting chat and alerts to the remote "set"? I've thought about just carrying around a tablet but proper audio routing with ability to truly monitor resulting stream + audio is always where I get stuck.
I am supporting an E-Sports group. If I am running 10 PCs with NDI/Teleport will the 140mbs be on network only when that PC is chosen as a source? Or will all PCs flood network with 140 mbs each?
Only when active as a source
Anyone know of a good troubleshooting video for Teleport in OBS? My game play PC is not showing up as an available teleport source on my recording/streaming machine. Checked port and firewall. Still no luck.
did you find a solve for this? i am encountering the same. thinking i may need to open a port on my router or something
I have an issue, I can send my windows OBS to a Teleport source in a Mac but not the other way around, I cannot get my Teleport Source inside Windows PC OBS to see my Mac, I hit the refresh button and the Windows PC just doesn't see it.
Fixed it, it was a firewall issue
Haha hey bro I would probably blur out your IP addresses I’m no computer expert but I have friends who when I was younger would try a bunch of fucked up things just for fun if they had a IP address.
Those are local IPs… no one can do anything with those
it seems like teleport is using CPU encoder to transmit, how do I change it to use quicksync encoder instead?
You don’t. It’s using JPEG compression. CPU only, but about as lightweight as it gets
this is amazing, i will be using this to de-stress my main pc when recording and playing, thanks!
Does anyone know why NDI HX does not detect any of my camera sources? It only lets me select screen sources to capture. I have several webcams that I've tested it with, USB webcams and even a Camlink 4K.
Very interesting plugin. One thing that I don't think was pointed out completely, does OBS NDI or OBS Teleport send the base canvas resolution or the output resolution?
NDI sources are sent in their native resolutions. nothing in OBS changes that. OBS is just the receiver.
@@zovisapphire thank you.
Crazy i just found out about this 2 weeks ago and now its what i use, wish i just had one of those beefy cards to run it all with now issue
please help me i have a black screen om my stream pc
This seems extremely unsecure ... Definitely would not use this on any computer that has any sort of sensitive information on it.
I mean… you’re literally sending video sources as video streams the same as you would with normal OBS, I’m not sure how this is any less secure or requires any less common sense lol.
It’s just broadcasting a feed of your choosing encoded in JPEG locally instead of feeding to Twitch or TH-cam. Would you normally show sensitive info on stream?
any issue with the audio going out of sync over time? That was ultimately what made me give up on NDI for my setup and go with HDMI for audio and video.
regarding NDI on mac, last time I tried it late last year there are some things missing like the Audio Direct VST plugins.
For dual monitor setup it would send both as a continuous source which was pretty cool, but it was missing the mouse cursor! Terrible for daw tutorials.
I'm going to test this soon, thanks for the showcase of the new tool
It's a known issue with NDI output (+decklink out and more plugins) and has been for years at this point. It has to do with how OBS internally handles audio buffers. People have been working on a fix, but when (and if) that gets implemented is unknown.
Been using old NDI for a while now, don't think I'll ever switch back to a capture card unless I have to. Will try teleport, that slider is something I wish I've had on the NDi cause low setting there is unusable.
Quality is flawless, impact on performance is non-existent and my streaming PC can use a slower preset to stream thanks to it not being required to do stuff for capture card. Guess more expensive capture cards have their own color processing units but this is just better. It's orders of magnitude cheaper, works better and looks better.
Anybody else getting a weird delay using teleport ? I added a delay to my goxlr audio bcuz all my audio is routed through there since I’m using dual pcs i delayed that audio to fix it and it did , but randomly the audio desynced so i delayed the teleport source and the audio and it matches up but randomly desyncs
can you do this on a steam deck? thanks
i cant find the .exe to install this thing
I have a few questions. The point of a dual pc setup is to take the load off of the cpu correct? There is no way for you encode what your screen is playing using a two gpu's? Is it possible to have to have a 2nd gpu for encoding at all or are you stuck with having your main gpu both encode and render games?
i like youre room setup, very cool
ndi 1440 to my capture pc is around 80mb/s max ndi 5 hx ....is yours a 4k stream taking 130mb/s? both pcs have nvidia cards with nvec aswell. Thanks for the info in the video I did not realize obs ndi plugin was so out of date not outputting as much as it could. i used to use obs to obs now just ndi 5 hx to obs then out to stream service.
I did this and nothing is working
If using dual pc stream, how much cpu/gpu does the transmitting computer use? I'm trying to offload encoding to the stream pc.
Quality is very good from my Win 11 PC (teleport enabled) to my Mac (OBS). But from mac book pro (teleport enabled) to my Win11 PC (OBS) video stream received is not very good, even with quality set to the best (100)
ndi no longer works on new obs
I don’t see the plug-in on obs
Which one of the computers is doing the encoding?
All of them
You can’t send video over the network without it getting encoded in some way. But it’s using JPEG encoding which is as lightweight as it gets
I wonder how well an Intel a380 would work as an AV1 encoder in the streaming PC ??? Hmm
Does teleport or NDI need a high-bandwidth router? I'm thinking of doing a production with mostly computers and I need to know if I need to invest in a high end router
Can Teleport be used in Streamlabs obs? NDi works alright with SLOBS, but it desyncs a lot!
Okay someone make a raspberry pie shield that just takes an HDMI and teleports it onto the network now...
Can teleport stream all scene in one obs to another obs? Do you need to create a nested scene in order for this to work?
I mean, you CAN by adding the filter to every scene, but then you’re forcing your computer to render them all at once and losing any benefit of a 2PC setup lol
The title implies this is instruction on how to set up a pc stream without a capture card. Instead it's just a dude talking about his setup...and it's long...no instructions about what the title is about. A lot of talk about NDI, not even in the title. Congrats on a bored to death first impression. omg
I definitely and absolutely show you how to do it. This video is over a year old and you’re the first one to express such a sentiment. “It’s not me, it’s you”
@@EposVox Wow. I don’t know what to say. I watched it again and you did cover it. My apologies. Probably these painkillers for my back making me nod off a little. Again, I apologize. You do cover it.
All good haha, it's a long video @@itseye2
@@EposVoxSubbed!
why does it work for me
Did you forget to show the bandwidth usage for the NDI Tools? I saw Teleport and NDI plugin but not NDI Tools.
the amount of tabs you have open is absolutely bonkers
Are you only using NDI and Teleport to get a more lossless capture? Why not use something like Parsec or Teradici that cannot only do local but internet streaming with nearly no latency (depending on distance) and much lower bandwidth? I guess you lose some source manipulation in the form of separate feeds since parsec is just display streaming but @50mbps it'd be a lot less of a hog on the network and it supports h265 if needed to keep bandwidth lower and 4:4:4 if your hardware supports it and you pay for warp.
afaik you can setup local streaming for OBS but it was too complex the first time I tried it. this plugin seems to make it dead simple
Ooh thanks for this, I am also looking forward to your NDI video, as I have a use case where NDI Bridge would be really nice.
OBS-NDI works on MacOS.
So for dual pc streaming is this the best option or should I get a capture card? 🙈😂
can this capture my game on my pc and send it to my boyfriend's pc so he can put both games on his stream????
we are trying to stream together on one stream any suggestions from anyone thank you!!!!!!
This will do it!
Wow this is amazing. I still have to do some work for implemented but would help me if I could make it run.
is there any concern on what network router used? Is LAN better than wireless?
Is there a step by step tutorial for teleport for the new version? And my other question does obs need to be running on both PCs?
This is way more efficient than it used to be. Thanks for the video
What kind of home network bandwidth do you need to use this? I've experimented with previous versions of NDI, and found we soaked the network really fast.
I just installed obs-teleport to my steam deck install of obs, and am planning to use it as my streaming device while my main pc can focus on playing games. Freaking awesome
I don't think you have enough tabs open in your browser. :P I'm the same way, no shame in the game!
Hey, is there a downside having my old 1080 Ti next to my 3090 in slots 1&2 (2 of the 3 PCI slots supporting GPUs) and running both 8x.
I use the 1080 Ti for multiple things like rendering & running low Hz monitors off it. I don't have the money atm to finish building second PC (missing ram).
My FPS is fine in games, but I do get weird stuttering in Windows. (Games are using the 3090 fine, no need to even configure them to do so).
Also, using the 1080 Ti to record & stream. I know the new 3000 series has the cores for it, but it just feels right to utilize the 1080 Ti more. I used to have it on a shelf. I still have the 2nd PC parts on a shelf waiting the day I can afford the ram, but yeah...
Dunno.
I have a pretty simple issue, idk if this is the best fix for it or if it's overkill. My PC is too far from my couch to use OBS to change scenes confortably. Could I use teleport to use a laptop to control obs scenes?
Teleport is just for sending the scenes, that would be kind of wasteful, but you can use OBS Websockets for that! It’s a plugin and then you can access the webui from your laptop to control it