Unless they have 2-4 vs the ones they had in busses 🚌 so if they the city had 55 busses that would mean they would need 110-220 of them plus the charging stations . That is huge amounts of money you need to use them to make it work.
@@CarCoachReportsthanks for the channel I enjoy it . Why do you think Ram and Mercedes been just announced they are bringing back gas motors? People gave Infiniti such a hard time for not going all electric ⚡️ and not the market is coming back around.
Whether you believe CO2 is a problem or a much needed plant food, the negligible "benefit" of EVs in terms of CO2 or other toxic emissions does not warrant the outrageous cost of their adoption.
Oil and Natural gas will be with us tomorrow and beyond... We 🇺🇸 became the largest exporter of Oil and Natural gas in the World.... I believe you have the right to drive whatever you want, a boutique EV market will always be here... This Forced agenda to convince the public is what's wrong,, Manufacturing Loses has been a good example of Supply and Demand... Car markers, Build them or be fined, have backed off.. If California Couldn't support the Needed Electricity to charge EV during a Heat wave.. Gavin asking them to Not charge their EVs..
"does not warrant the outrageous cost" VW Diesel Gate was NOT about CO2 problem. IT was about expensive health damaging toxic emissions. But you don't care about reality, just what political BS you are pushing.
Madness. I live in Oslo Norway where this ideology is being pushed hard. This winter there have been catastrophic delays and cancellations with the bus network which are mostly electric now. The reality of snow, ice and winter which was forgotten by these idiots that make these decisions has become very clear. So the answer has been to turn down the heating in the buses to below the legal requirement to save battery... Charging issues, traction issues etc... The answer is to use fossil fuel driven vehicles but this doesn't meet new zero... The madness continues
Ask the school board in Quebec which recently acquired numerous EV school buses. They're great in the winter if you don't need the hearers running, or the windows defrosted. Many politicians must not have exceeded grade 1 or 2.
The politicians that go along with this are being paid to do so. They may have been financed and elected to do this. It's a scam when government inc and corporations have the same interests for their future benefits, which don't include the interests of the public.
All for bettering society. I'm seeing electrical vehicles batt issues. What happens in a cold weather event the battery goes down and the children freeze?
Electric school buses in Canada have ... wait for it... diesel heaters. There was just a news story from P.E.I. talking about heating problems and that they needed to adjust the "fuel pressure". Fuel pressure in an EV? Yes, for the heaters!
You can get a 90% or more efficient diesel heater. Diesel engines on the other hand max out around 35%, whereas electric motors with batteries convert about 70-80% of their energy into forward momentum.
Asheville, NC was running a couple of EV buses in their public transportation fleet. During the last cold storm the range dropped all the way down to 78 miles per charge.
Passenger car EV batteries probably get 1 to 3 charge cycles of wear on them a week. These buses will probably need 2 to 3 charge cycles a day. You can expect a passenger car EV battery to be usable for at least 10 yrs but these buses will run through them in 2 yrs or less. I guess no one factored in the wear on the batteries when they thought this was a good idea. The northern half of the country will definitely love those EV buses during the cold months. It'll be fun to watch this mandate blow up in their faces.
My COMBUSTIBLE ENGINE 2005 DODGE DAKOTA has 19 years ON THE ROAD ~ TWICE what is CLAIMED an e-v will get and EVENTUALLY A NEW BATTERY WILL HAVE to be installed in that vehicle. If someone is willing to spend 10 to 20 thousand on it
@@barryphillips7098 No need to dream, 10 yrs is quite typical. There are outliers, but they are outliers after all, and defects or damage don't really count.
This morning I watched a TH-cam about a Walgreens in Baltimore that was being sued for closing down after being robbed blind day after day, being sued because the neighborhood would no longer have a pharmacy. So now there’s a TH-cam on federally mandated electric buses that can’t possibly do the job done by ICE busses. When there is no longer a city bus to ride will we be hearing about lawsuits against the bus companies? Does anyone else see a parallel here?
My buddy is a bus driver here in the UK We have a small fleet of electric buses. In the winter they are cold and unreliable. The drivers are told dont turn on the heater as it shortens the range and they still die during the route. An electric bus struggles with range, they take around 2 days to recharge and can only work for around half a day. It takes 4 or 5 electric buses to replace one diesel bus. The electric buses can often be seen dead by the side of the road awaiting recovery. The amount of people carried greatly affects the range, more passenger, shorter the range. Just like EV cars and vans... The EV is not fit for purpose.
@@jermainec2462 No we do have options. Look past the media and use your own memory from what you saw with your own eyes. When "orange man" was in office, the world was more at peace. We had the historical "Abraham Accords" peace treaty in the Middle East. Unemployment was down. Gas prices were down. Taxes were down. There was no "immigration crisis" and I know because I live in Southern CA. We did not have the homeless crisis we have now. There was no fentanyl crisis. The dollar was stronger and even NASA got a boost which has led to the Artimus Missions we are having today, and our country was actually energy independent. Now I am working more for less and everything is the opposite of what I said. All my life I was raised because of the color of my skin I have to vote for a particular party. Opening my eyes that I saw that party had done nothing to help the people of my race or anyone else but offer lip service and make things worse. As a Black American who cares for this country and wants a future for my family I am definitely voting for "orange man".
We have the ideal EV solution for buses in Vancouver, Canada. It’s called a trolley bus that is powered by overhead power lines instead of batteries. No recharging necessary-ever! Also, no massive battery.
Definitely drawbacks with this though. The trolley can only go where the infrastructure is installed and that infrastructure can be an obstacle for other vehicles as well as an eye sore (depending on how it's built) If there is damage to that infrastructure then basically all trolleys could be stopped rather than 1 individual bus and in general when it comes to grid power any electrical option is going to be a drain on that grid so this problem with vary on location.
Trolley buses were widespread in GB in the 1950s and 60s, but the greater flexibility of diesels outside of the local cities and no need for infrastructure did for them by the 70s. Maybe a return for the cities as batteries vehicles will never have the required Energy Density to be viable
@@gizmogremlin1872 Come to Vancouver, Canada and see how seamless they fit in. We've had them for decades. Moreover, the bus drivers don't have to choose between range and cabin heat. They get both without penalty!
As a driver with a bus license my main concern would be with the air quality in the bus which also effects the driver. Condensation on the windows means the cabin air is not being changed often enough, in cold & flu season this is bad for all passengers. If they cannot divert enough power in an electric bus to run the HVAC then they are useless.
No Just ask Norway how thier ev buses performed in cold weather And the more pressing fact that the supplier of the buses spare parts and warranties went bankrupt so now the tax payer foots the bill as half the fleet broke down
Thanks for your comments on tax dollars used for these schemes. We need to stop the paying farmers to grow corn for ethanol and in my state PA using tax dollars to clean up abandoned strip mines and leaking gas and oil wells.
Diesel will alway be superior to electric for heavy vehicles. I can see the case for a diesel/electric hybrid powertrain for a bus driving in heavy city traffic.
We need way more public transportation: buses, light rail, high speed rail. Cars are clogging and polluting cities. Can't keep building more and more roads and parking lots.
You can build super efficient diesel engine buses and trucks that have advanced exhaust filters to trap the particulates to improve exhaust emissions, and though they ar expensive, they're still cheaper than an all electric vehicle.
We too are starting to have this crap in some states of Australia pushed upon us too. It’s total bullshit , and whole premise of EVs And net zero is a lie and unattainable. As for buses , they cost twice as much , infrastructure costs a fortune, and can you imagine how much a battery big enough to power a bus or a big truck will cost when inevitably the time comes to replace it, and as already mentioned in the video , the range of EV buses is totally inadequate , yet politicians push this flawed expensive equipment on the businesses and and public.
There are a dozen deployments of EV buses in the USA and all have been unqualified and epic failures. A truly ***t idea, is the E-bus only to be overshadowed by the E-truck.
The Buese are even heavier that the previous buses, do not have the range, take too long to charge, that's if the grid can handle it. Cost too much and have no resale value. People pushing these things before they are operational worthy . 100% buses replaced by 50% reliable. I have a solar /electric bridge to sell these people.
Ev buses are 3 to 4 times more than a petrol bus, that's all you need to know about costs, oh wait also needs to be charged and maintained also 3 to 4 times more...nothing is better about them...
At some point you have to stop and ask: "Just what is it that EV's are supposed to be saving us from?" There is one question that is never addressed that would expose the "climate crisis" for the scam that it is, which is "What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?" The answer, never given in plain language, is that CO2 is currently around 420 parts per million, (google it) increased, they tell us, from 280 ppm in 1850. That's a difference of 140 ppm, or in terms more readily understood by the layman, the composition of the atmosphere has changed by 0.014% (14 thousandths of 1%) in the last 170 years. LESS THAN 1 THOUSANDTH OF 1% PER DECADE! How much closer to "zero" do they think it's possible to get? How gullible do you have to be to believe that this rate of change is causing extreme weather events, which have always happened and always will? Their claim is that this tiny amount "traps heat". ALL gasses dissipate heat and even if CO2 is an exception, the suggestion that a total of 0.042% can overwhelm the capacity of the remaining 99.958% to dissipate that heat is abject nonsense. CO2 DOES NOT control the global temperature, there is no "climate crisis". Wind farms, solar panels, heat pumps, EV's.. None of these measures are necessary, nor will they have the slightest effect on the weather. Eye-watering sums of money have already been wasted on this futile exercise. Time to wake up, stop throwing our money at these boondoggles and squandering the world's resources on projects that cannot possibly succeed as there never was a problem to begin with. There is no need to save the planet from a minuscule increase in the gas on which all life depends, but it does need to be rescued from idiot politicians and media mouthpieces that push this garbage.
dearborn mi got a bunch of them and bragged in the summer of 2023 after getting them, well when the cold snap hit i noticed dearborn schools were shut down quite a while but never mentioned the ev busses, not another word from dearborn, can someone look into how they are doing this winter
Being elected president of the USA does not give the person carte blanch to spend and do anything they want to do. The executive branch is not a monarchy and has no unlimited authority to act and do as they want, that is why over-site as stipulated in the Constitution has and provides three branches for checks and balance. To stop one branch from expanding their authority. Unfortunately congress and the federal court system has acted in deference to the President and the executive branch.
In the case of hydrogen it’s put at 23° below zero Celsius in order for it to have more product into the fuel cell. Without getting too technical, hydrogen actually will do well in the colder temperatures and a lot of municipalities are already using hydrogen for their city buses. And it seems to be working much better than anything electric.
The hydrogen doesn't freeze, but the type of fuel cells they use (PEM) require liquid water to function, so the fuel cell can freeze up when it's not in use. As the fuel cell produces steam at the outlet, some of it is generally cooled, condensed and recycled into the inlet. Once you get the fuel cell defrosted (generally using battery power), you can use the waste heat from the reaction to keep it going. A hydrogen engine (ICE) could start at below zero temperature, just like other combustion engines. I don't think hydrogen buses (fuel cell or ICE) are a good alternative. I think an electric bus with a fuel cell as range extender would be much more economical. Hydrogen is relatively expensive. You can use a relatively small fuel cell on an electric bus to extend the range. An example is the Renault Master van, which in Europe can be bought with a 30 kW fuel cell, which doubles the range in winter (it especially makes a big difference in winter, because you can use the waste heat from the fuel cell to heat the vehicle).
Look at trucks like the f150 lightning..when you put a heavy load, climb hills or when it's very cold, the range gets cut dramatically, maybe by 30%. Then there are EVs that catches on fire..so I don't think it's a good idea..
Electric buses are used by several transit agencies in the Seattle area though not exclusively. They have battery, hybrid and trolly buses. Haven't heard any of the doom and gloom you're talking about. The trolly buses actually do a better job on hills than conventional diesel buses.
Big country ans long distances is problem for ev busses. Here the busses are all ready electric. Yeah there is problems in winter since heating drains the range and they are cold and floors are icy of the bus. Its very expensive and bus ticket prices will be going up alot if you also switch to evs busses.
electric buses make sense because on a fixed route ... Problem is We don't have the infrastructure and they Cost too much lol They gotta push that time line back and stick to the hybrid buses
@mikldude9376 keep the ev buses in the south and find a better manufacturer... but tbh everybody been rushing this ev agenda and we don't have the infrastructure or the technology ready yet... as you can see lol
Nice report and it comes as no surprise that the public is paying for this nonsense. I'm going to play devil's advocate for just one microsecond --- the electric bus in itself is not a bad idea for city use. However for this to work you need a system of overhead cables. And this has been used quite a bit in many European cities and if I'm not mistaken in Toronto. However the use of a traction battery as the power source is a terrible idea which leads to all the problems you highlighted in your report. As far as the Brain trust in Edmonton is concerned I have two words - caveat emptor.
Pretty much everything here is BS, except for the Proterra thing. There are plenty of examples of EVs busses that work and save their municipalities money. For the vast majority, electric busses are cheaper to own than diesel and healthier for our children. “All about Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) for Electric School Busses” - the Electric School Bus Initiative
Sorry you don't work on these things. I've worked on school buses for almost 40 years with Gasoline, Diesel, Propane,and CNG powered engines. Nothing has proved less reliable or more cost to operate with more down time. Nothing more safety related than working around 700 volts that run the system.
Asheville NC bought 5 electric busses.They spent 5 million tax payer dollars counting the chargers, repairs and maintenance. TWO busses are working now.
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This same situation is taking place in just about every city that bought EBuses. They are failing miserably. Great channel.
Thank you 😊
Unless they have 2-4 vs the ones they had in busses 🚌 so if they the city had 55 busses that would mean they would need 110-220 of them plus the charging stations . That is huge amounts of money you need to use them to make it work.
@@CarCoachReportsthanks for the channel I enjoy it . Why do you think Ram and Mercedes been just announced they are bringing back gas motors? People gave Infiniti such a hard time for not going all electric ⚡️ and not the market is coming back around.
Policymakers never let logic, reason and common-sense get in the way of implementing a bad idea.
Net Zero is not about saving the environment, it's about taking away our ability to travel with personal vehicles.
@@raincoast9010 BINGO! (You will own nothing, eat bugs and be happy)
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 i sometimes wonder if anyone is going to put up a fuss till it's too late? So many people are asleep.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 surely you mean "zzeee" bugs?
The world has become insane. I keep waiting for Rod Serling to show up and say we are all living in the Twilight Zone.
Me too
Sorry but i don't want the peoples tax dollars going to the most useless vehicles ever created.
The ICE car has been improved and refined and is a perfect solution to transportation. So what did they do erase all that and start at square one
Whether you believe CO2 is a problem or a much needed plant food, the negligible "benefit" of EVs in terms of CO2 or other toxic emissions does not warrant the outrageous cost of their adoption.
The real reason for the big EV push - the diminishing reserves of oil and the geopolitics surrounding it.
Oil and Natural gas will be with us tomorrow and beyond...
We 🇺🇸 became the largest exporter of Oil and Natural gas in the World....
I believe you have the right to drive whatever you want, a boutique EV market will always be here...
This Forced agenda to convince the public is what's wrong,,
Manufacturing Loses has been a good example of Supply and Demand...
Car markers, Build them or be fined, have backed off..
If California Couldn't support the Needed Electricity to charge EV during a Heat wave..
Gavin asking them to Not charge their EVs..
"does not warrant the outrageous cost" VW Diesel Gate was NOT about CO2 problem. IT was about expensive health damaging toxic emissions. But you don't care about reality, just what political BS you are pushing.
Madness. I live in Oslo Norway where this ideology is being pushed hard. This winter there have been catastrophic delays and cancellations with the bus network which are mostly electric now. The reality of snow, ice and winter which was forgotten by these idiots that make these decisions has become very clear. So the answer has been to turn down the heating in the buses to below the legal requirement to save battery... Charging issues, traction issues etc... The answer is to use fossil fuel driven vehicles but this doesn't meet new zero... The madness continues
Thank you for sharing your perspective from Norway. I agree with you 100%. These idiots are clueless.
Same here in the U.K., buses, vans, Car Ferries!!! abandoned as the useless things that they are....................
Asheville NC bought electric buses for public transit……they’re parked…..went belly up👎🏻
And then there’s no one to sue because those companies are out of business. What a waste of taxpayer dollars.
And a waste of resources and materials
Surprise surprise!!!!
Ask the school board in Quebec which recently acquired numerous EV school buses. They're great in the winter if you don't need the hearers running, or the windows defrosted. Many politicians must not have exceeded grade 1 or 2.
The politicians that go along with this are being paid to do so. They may have been financed and elected to do this. It's a scam when government inc and corporations have the same interests for their future benefits, which don't include the interests of the public.
All for bettering society.
I'm seeing electrical vehicles batt issues.
What happens in a cold weather event the battery goes down and the children freeze?
Electric school buses in Canada have ... wait for it... diesel heaters. There was just a news story from P.E.I. talking about heating problems and that they needed to adjust the "fuel pressure". Fuel pressure in an EV? Yes, for the heaters!
You can get a 90% or more efficient diesel heater. Diesel engines on the other hand max out around 35%, whereas electric motors with batteries convert about 70-80% of their energy into forward momentum.
Asheville, NC was running a couple of EV buses in their public transportation fleet. During the last cold storm the range dropped all the way down to 78 miles per charge.
Wouldn't you think somebody at Edmonton would have had the sense to trial a couple of test busses before ordering 60 more?
Passenger car EV batteries probably get 1 to 3 charge cycles of wear on them a week. These buses will probably need 2 to 3 charge cycles a day. You can expect a passenger car EV battery to be usable for at least 10 yrs but these buses will run through them in 2 yrs or less. I guess no one factored in the wear on the batteries when they thought this was a good idea. The northern half of the country will definitely love those EV buses during the cold months.
It'll be fun to watch this mandate blow up in their faces.
One of those huge battery packs could easily be 200k to replace
My COMBUSTIBLE ENGINE 2005 DODGE DAKOTA has 19 years ON THE ROAD ~ TWICE what is CLAIMED an e-v will get and EVENTUALLY A NEW BATTERY WILL HAVE to be installed in that vehicle. If someone is willing to spend 10 to 20 thousand on it
10 years you are DREAMING!!!! Try LESS than Half that!!!!!
@@barryphillips7098 No need to dream, 10 yrs is quite typical. There are outliers, but they are outliers after all, and defects or damage don't really count.
So right I work for a transit agency buying 2400 electric buses t9 replace CNG buses. I believe this is the end of our transit agency on LA.
Why would you have electric buses. It is just crazy to try this in a cold climate.
This morning I watched a TH-cam about a Walgreens in Baltimore that was being sued for closing down after being robbed blind day after day, being sued because the neighborhood would no longer have a pharmacy. So now there’s a TH-cam on federally mandated electric buses that can’t possibly do the job done by ICE busses. When there is no longer a city bus to ride will we be hearing about lawsuits against the bus companies? Does anyone else see a parallel here?
just wait until the batteries go into thermal overload on one of these buses when it's full of passengers.
Yes .....a group barbecue
The EV fad is over..
I’d call it more a fraud.
@@bradsmith9189 ~ Absolutely right, in other words a scam.
I’ve been calling it a fad for a long time and folks thought I was nuts!
Oops, now guess what’s finally happening!
Reality, that’s what.👍
Ooof that aged like 8 month old unrefrigerated milk.
My buddy is a bus driver here in the UK
We have a small fleet of electric buses.
In the winter they are cold and unreliable. The drivers are told dont turn on the heater as it shortens the range and they still die during the route.
An electric bus struggles with range, they take around 2 days to recharge and can only work for around half a day.
It takes 4 or 5 electric buses to replace one diesel bus.
The electric buses can often be seen dead by the side of the road awaiting recovery.
The amount of people carried greatly affects the range, more passenger, shorter the range.
Just like EV cars and vans... The EV is not fit for purpose.
Thank you for sharing the reality of electric busses
Hopefully after November we won’t have to worry about this insanity!
hopefully, but as p.t.barnum once said.... there's suckers born every minute, and they vote along with the dead in Democrat cities....💯🤑😤🤮
Agreed! More people need to WAKE UP and go out and vote for change.
We don't have no options though We got sleepy joe and orange man and I don't want Neither one of them l o l 😅
we also need to make big changes to the legislative branch.@@jermainec2462
@@jermainec2462 No we do have options. Look past the media and use your own memory from what you saw with your own eyes. When "orange man" was in office, the world was more at peace. We had the historical "Abraham Accords" peace treaty in the Middle East. Unemployment was down. Gas prices were down. Taxes were down. There was no "immigration crisis" and I know because I live in Southern CA. We did not have the homeless crisis we have now. There was no fentanyl crisis. The dollar was stronger and even NASA got a boost which has led to the Artimus Missions we are having today, and our country was actually energy independent. Now I am working more for less and everything is the opposite of what I said. All my life I was raised because of the color of my skin I have to vote for a particular party. Opening my eyes that I saw that party had done nothing to help the people of my race or anyone else but offer lip service and make things worse. As a Black American who cares for this country and wants a future for my family I am definitely voting for "orange man".
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Where is this unlimited power at?
Public transport companies are already struggling financially with cheaper, more reliable diesel fleet. Electric buses do not work in China either.
Screw the Government
Glad to see California going first as we can see how bad this fails, EV are not ready for prime time commercial use...
We have the ideal EV solution for buses in Vancouver, Canada. It’s called a trolley bus that is powered by overhead power lines instead of batteries. No recharging necessary-ever! Also, no massive battery.
Definitely drawbacks with this though. The trolley can only go where the infrastructure is installed and that infrastructure can be an obstacle for other vehicles as well as an eye sore (depending on how it's built)
If there is damage to that infrastructure then basically all trolleys could be stopped rather than 1 individual bus and in general when it comes to grid power any electrical option is going to be a drain on that grid so this problem with vary on location.
Trolley buses were widespread in GB in the 1950s and 60s, but the greater flexibility of diesels outside of the local cities and no need for infrastructure did for them by the 70s. Maybe a return for the cities as batteries vehicles will never have the required Energy Density to be viable
@@jonobaywindow All our trolley buses work off hydro-electricity, btw. They are the ultimate green buses. And... they're very reliable.
@@gizmogremlin1872 Come to Vancouver, Canada and see how seamless they fit in. We've had them for decades. Moreover, the bus drivers don't have to choose between range and cabin heat. They get both without penalty!
As a driver with a bus license my main concern would be with the air quality in the bus which also effects the driver. Condensation on the windows means the cabin air is not being changed often enough, in cold & flu season this is bad for all passengers.
If they cannot divert enough power in an electric bus to run the HVAC then they are useless.
In China electric buses are being replaced by hydrogen power simply because of cold temperatures and long commutes .
No
Just ask Norway how thier ev buses performed in cold weather
And the more pressing fact that the supplier of the buses spare parts and warranties went bankrupt so now the tax payer foots the bill as half the fleet broke down
May as well mandate that these buses run on tap water by 2027.
The government should butt out and let the market decide. Mandates without public support are dictatorial.
Agreed
Thanks for your comments on tax dollars used for these schemes. We need to stop the paying farmers to grow corn for ethanol and in my state PA using tax dollars to clean up abandoned strip mines and leaking gas and oil wells.
Diesel will alway be superior to electric for heavy vehicles. I can see the case for a diesel/electric hybrid powertrain for a bus driving in heavy city traffic.
Electrified diesel is being used in Europe, but not being used in the US. Because it really is a good option.
US cities like Charlotte have electrified diesel bus for several years now.
They ripped out TRAMS in Sydney to replace them with buses. That proved a really bad move. So no they want EV Buses, what a joke.
No. It will be a massive waste of tax payer dollars.
Our fleet of busses have been in possession for more than a year and none are even on the road yet. All are broken even without being used.
Did they not realise how much electricity would be needed to charge a school bus fleet?
We need way more public transportation: buses, light rail, high speed rail. Cars are clogging and polluting cities. Can't keep building more and more roads and parking lots.
Electric buses are a total waste of time... The process of non-thinking..👎 - Good job, we the people, can't sue our politicians for stupid ideas...
Here in Norwich Norfolk UK we have electric buses that are charged using diesel generators as the infrastructure is useless. Thats all over the UK.
You can build super efficient diesel engine buses and trucks that have advanced exhaust filters to trap the particulates to improve exhaust emissions, and though they ar expensive, they're still cheaper than an all electric vehicle.
We too are starting to have this crap in some states of Australia pushed upon us too.
It’s total bullshit , and whole premise of EVs And net zero is a lie and unattainable.
As for buses , they cost twice as much , infrastructure costs a fortune, and can you imagine how much a battery big enough to power a bus or a big truck will cost when inevitably the time comes to replace it, and as already mentioned in the video , the range of EV buses is totally inadequate , yet politicians push this flawed expensive equipment on the businesses and and public.
$30,000 for a level 2 charger? They are like $400 and then a small circuit breaker.
There are a dozen deployments of EV buses in the USA and all have been unqualified and epic failures. A truly ***t idea, is the E-bus only to be overshadowed by the E-truck.
After watching all those electric busses in London on fire in the streets... I say "no , they are not a good idea". jus'sayin'
EV pipe dream isn't a reality until these batteries are putting out at least 10 miles per kw/h....
The Buese are even heavier that the previous buses, do not have the range, take too long to charge, that's if the grid can handle it. Cost too much and have no resale value. People pushing these things before they are operational worthy . 100% buses replaced by 50% reliable. I have a solar /electric bridge to sell these people.
F NO
Ev buses are 3 to 4 times more than a petrol bus, that's all you need to know about costs, oh wait also needs to be charged and maintained also 3 to 4 times more...nothing is better about them...
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Another silly idea!!
At some point you have to stop and ask: "Just what is it that EV's are supposed to be saving us from?" There is one question that is never addressed that would expose the "climate crisis" for the scam that it is, which is "What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?" The answer, never given in plain language, is that CO2 is currently around 420 parts per million, (google it) increased, they tell us, from 280 ppm in 1850. That's a difference of 140 ppm, or in terms more readily understood by the layman, the composition of the atmosphere has changed by 0.014% (14 thousandths of 1%) in the last 170 years. LESS THAN 1 THOUSANDTH OF 1% PER DECADE! How much closer to "zero" do they think it's possible to get? How gullible do you have to be to believe that this rate of change is causing extreme weather events, which have always happened and always will? Their claim is that this tiny amount "traps heat". ALL gasses dissipate heat and even if CO2 is an exception, the suggestion that a total of 0.042% can overwhelm the capacity of the remaining 99.958% to dissipate that heat is abject nonsense. CO2 DOES NOT control the global temperature, there is no "climate crisis". Wind farms, solar panels, heat pumps, EV's.. None of these measures are necessary, nor will they have the slightest effect on the weather. Eye-watering sums of money have already been wasted on this futile exercise. Time to wake up, stop throwing our money at these boondoggles and squandering the world's resources on projects that cannot possibly succeed as there never was a problem to begin with. There is no need to save the planet from a minuscule increase in the gas on which all life depends, but it does need to be rescued from idiot politicians and media mouthpieces that push this garbage.
dearborn mi got a bunch of them and bragged in the summer of 2023 after getting them, well when the cold snap hit i noticed dearborn schools were shut down quite a while but never mentioned the ev busses, not another word from dearborn, can someone look into how they are doing this winter
I still love getting my youtube FIX
We need CO2
The EV bus seems like a bad idea.
No. Our technology isn't quite there yet. But get rid of lieberals around the world and it could work
If you're worried about the cost of EV buses, you should see how expensive catastrophic climate change will cost.
Hehe , won’t make any difference to the climate bud one way or the other.
Biden is generous with your money.
Being elected president of the USA does not give the person carte blanch to spend and do anything they want to do. The executive branch is not a monarchy and has no unlimited authority to act and do as they want, that is why over-site as stipulated in the Constitution has and provides three branches for checks and balance. To stop one branch from expanding their authority. Unfortunately congress and the federal court system has acted in deference to the President and the executive branch.
Could they be fitted with diesel generators ?
great
Lauren if cold weather hurts electric buses, then would the same happen to hydrogen engines? Hydrogen freezes similar to water.
In the case of hydrogen it’s put at 23° below zero Celsius in order for it to have more product into the fuel cell. Without getting too technical, hydrogen actually will do well in the colder temperatures and a lot of municipalities are already using hydrogen for their city buses. And it seems to be working much better than anything electric.
The hydrogen doesn't freeze, but the type of fuel cells they use (PEM) require liquid water to function, so the fuel cell can freeze up when it's not in use. As the fuel cell produces steam at the outlet, some of it is generally cooled, condensed and recycled into the inlet. Once you get the fuel cell defrosted (generally using battery power), you can use the waste heat from the reaction to keep it going. A hydrogen engine (ICE) could start at below zero temperature, just like other combustion engines.
I don't think hydrogen buses (fuel cell or ICE) are a good alternative. I think an electric bus with a fuel cell as range extender would be much more economical. Hydrogen is relatively expensive. You can use a relatively small fuel cell on an electric bus to extend the range. An example is the Renault Master van, which in Europe can be bought with a 30 kW fuel cell, which doubles the range in winter (it especially makes a big difference in winter, because you can use the waste heat from the fuel cell to heat the vehicle).
Look at trucks like the f150 lightning..when you put a heavy
load, climb hills or when it's very cold, the range gets cut dramatically, maybe by 30%. Then there are EVs that catches on fire..so I don't think it's a good idea..
Edison diesel/electric hybrids make sense.
A Canadian company with common sense, eh.
Electric buses are used by several transit agencies in the Seattle area though not exclusively. They have battery, hybrid and trolly buses. Haven't heard any of the doom and gloom you're talking about.
The trolly buses actually do a better job on hills than conventional diesel buses.
Big country ans long distances is problem for ev busses. Here the busses are all ready electric. Yeah there is problems in winter since heating drains the range and they are cold and floors are icy of the bus. Its very expensive and bus ticket prices will be going up alot if you also switch to evs busses.
Utter NONSENSE
electric buses make sense because on a fixed route ... Problem is We don't have the infrastructure and they Cost too much lol They gotta push that time line back and stick to the hybrid buses
No they still suck , they may work as hybrid, but straight ev = fail.
@mikldude9376 keep the ev buses in the south and find a better manufacturer... but tbh everybody been rushing this ev agenda and we don't have the infrastructure or the technology ready yet... as you can see lol
Nice report and it comes as no surprise that the public is paying for this nonsense. I'm going to play devil's advocate for just one microsecond --- the electric bus in itself is not a bad idea for city use. However for this to work you need a system of overhead cables. And this has been used quite a bit in many European cities and if I'm not mistaken in Toronto. However the use of a traction battery as the power source is a terrible idea which leads to all the problems you highlighted in your report. As far as the Brain trust in Edmonton is concerned I have two words - caveat emptor.
Pretty much everything here is BS, except for the Proterra thing. There are plenty of examples of EVs busses that work and save their municipalities money.
For the vast majority, electric busses are cheaper to own than diesel and healthier for our children.
“All about Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) for Electric School Busses” - the Electric School Bus Initiative
Sorry you don't work on these things. I've worked on school buses for almost 40 years with Gasoline, Diesel, Propane,and CNG powered engines. Nothing has proved less reliable or more cost to operate with more down time. Nothing more safety related than working around 700 volts that run the system.
@@j.scottmcdonough562 what a load of BS
Asheville NC bought 5 electric busses.They spent 5 million tax payer dollars counting the chargers, repairs and maintenance. TWO busses are working now.
I'm not a fan of the EV however I think electric bus's is a great idea. Unfortunately, it seems to be just an idea at the moment.