Certain biological advantages cannot be overcome, which is why there are different categories in most sports - weight divisions in boxing being the most obvious example.
@@jewelwilliams1284 Not necessarily. Weight would be both an advantage and a disadvantage. In boxing, weight is 100% an advantage. More weight = more power in a punch. So it really depends on the sport.
@@ElariaFlori I agree which is why i disagree with the first person's logic. In the case of swimming, biological advantages dont necessarily require separation of categories like weight classes
@@jewelwilliams1284 the problem isn't with swimming it's the implications it has on real sports like boxing mma and basketball I don't think most people would give a shit if they made swimming genderless when it came to competition it's just when your putting them up against someone born a woman in a contact sport. Like there's a video out there of a Japanese pride fight of a 50 year old woman whose like 120 pounds against a 240 pound man who just said he's now Trans and pride fights are always wild but it's the premise of people wanna make sure sports stay as fair as they can be and the truth of that is is that fair in contact sports means separated by gender.
@@DeShawnMcDonald I don't disagree with that and I never said I did. Like I said and I repeat, some sports don't need a separation. Contact sports, yes. Maybe not basketball but some sports yes. It's like you didn't read what I said
10:52-11:07 Im sorry but did this individual just say that lung capacity isn't a "significant indicator to athletic performance" in regards to swimming? because as a former swimmer I have a hard time believing someone could be so stupid
Lung capacity is VERY important in swimming. How deep your breaths are, how much air your lungs can hold, and how much oxygen the lungs can put into the blood is a huge factor in how well you swim. I used to swim and was always the slowest bc I have low lung capacity and asthma. The more oxygen going into the muscles the more power they have when swimming.
@@technoloverish HRT doesnt change your muscles,heart and lung size etc. He still had all the advantages of being male. he was in the 400 s bc he sucked.
I remeber seeing white cis women on twitter posting an image of four cis Asian women athlete calling three of them who have short hair “men” to claim “womens sports is being taken away” All because the women didnt look like white women :/
That restriction was absurd and unfairly disadvantaged black women, who naturally produce higher testosterone. It’s hard to see how the restriction isn’t linked to race in those circumstances.
As a trans athlete, I of all people would love to be able to compete in women's sports, but I can't do so in good conscience. I didn't start transitioning until 23 so my advantages are too great. People might not think height is an advantage, but it is; I'm 5 inches taller than if I were born cis. My torso and wingspan are larger as well. I lifted weights for years with T levels above 600 ng/L. My T might only be 23 ng/L now but I built all of my muscle under circumstances only achievable by cis women who take anabolic steroids like trenobol or anavar. I have lost muscle of course but it'd be similar to a cis athlete doing a steroid cycle in their off-season. I think it's a bit sad that transphobes AND the trans community don't talk about trans individuals that continue to compete against those of the same biological sex. As much as I disagree with some of what you've said in this video; I completely respect your stance on things. You always make well-thought out videos and many of them have helped me so much; especially when I was first transitioning.
I'm mostly opposed to making blanket statements on trans athletes because transitioning isn't the same in every case However, I think the trans people in sports are unfairly dogpilled and politicized, with conservatives jumping on the opportunity to create panic every time a trans woman wins but never covering their losses. I respect your decision, however. Good luck going forward.
@Ymar Ascough: Thank you for your comment! Today trans people are much more accepted by society than 30 years ago, moreover they can show up more and more and I find that very good. And personally, as a bisexual, I find that your masculine side is an advantage that you should not deny. It's also part of you and it may not appeal to everyone, but it appeals to some people, including me. And it is these people who must be important to you and not those who bother. You are women gender and biological male so "he" is just as fair as "she" in your case and instead of seeing it as a handicap, see it as an advantage.
@@garyrandom7512 Thank you for the nice reply! I completely agree with you. My entire life is what makes me who I am and I wouldn't change it for anything. I would never have met by best friends if I didn't go to an all boys high school. I would never have picked up my first dumbells either. Things were rocky along the way but I've only turned out better for it. I'm happy I'm biologically male and I'm even happier that I'm a trans woman.
It’s not about their gender identities. Their gender identities are not competing against other gender identities. It’s the body that competes and the advantages bestowed on someone who went through male puberty are not fair if they want to compete in women’s sports.
@@mikeicee It doesn't matter they are legally 100% woman...you guys acting like the white guys against African American athletes back in the day. Sports only got better by having the BEST athletes regardless of DNA. This is the future! Your words, not mine.
The whole "there is no advantage" argument falls apart for me when you note that this is only a problem in women's sport. When we start to see trans men competing in elite sport and breaking records i'll accept the basis of it.
You can be ranked 500 something and still win competitions. Liah, as a man was competitive in Ivy league tournaments which are not necessarily the most competitive events. So yeah he had good performances in competitions that didn’t have the best male swimmers. But how well did he finish in tougher events? And testosterone is not the only advantage in sports, the lung capacity, bone density, fast twitch muscle fibers (which are what creates power in a tennis serve, not testosterone) are of an enormous advantage. It is likely that she did not train as hard as she should have to beat the women. Her VO2 max is probably astronomical in comparison to the women she competed against.
@@jio-lito Lia before starting transition was ranked 89th in men's competition. Lia dropped to 462 while on HRT, but the transphobic media leaves that out. And while Riley Gaines is running around she is also leaving that out
Hoping that I can explain this, it's basically telling trans people that what their biology matters more than what they identify as, assigned at birth says we know that at birth you were assigned this gender bc of what your private parts looked like. In other words trans woman's body is still a female body it's just not the same as a cisgendered females body.
@@islasullivan3463 I mean that’s just a faith based claim. That’s a trans woman’s body IS a female body. What does that even mean? In what way? Spiritually? But regardless.. in this context, in this conversation it’s relevant that transwomen have male bodies because make bodies are more athletically capable .. see that even goes against what you said.. it’s basically impossible to have this conversation if you can’t talk about that, as it IS the heart of the debate. Though maybe that’s the point of telling ppl their transphobic if they say it
@@amandamcgovern5744 Okay well another reason is that transphobes often say is that biology/science doesn't care about your feelings or some iteration of that, so calling them biological males/female can unintentionally bring up a lot of memories for people where others told them that when you could use trans/amab/afab.
@@islasullivan3463 I don’t know what those last 2 words are.. but sure.. I think it would be rude to point out someone is biologically male for no reason or just to be a jerk. I’m just saying that to have this sports debate you kind of do need to be able to refer to the fact that their body doesn’t correlate to the sex they want to participate with. That’s all. Doing so is not “transphobic”.. I don’t think it’s beneficial to anyone to use that word so freely to the point it becomes totally devoid of meaning. I’ll be honest.. I’M not even sure exactly what transphobic means anymore. The most frequent way I hear it used is as a way to shut down conversation. As an atheist, trans activists remind me a lot of fundamentalist Christians that I talk to. The ideologies never really withstand scrutiny or basic questions, it’s considered impolite to ask certain very simple questions, the beliefs are faith based and can’t be demonstrated or tested. Like “Jesus rose from the dead” or “god watches over me” or “trans women ARE literally women.” It’s actually really fascinating as I think these 2 groups are opposed in a lot of ways. But are so so similar in behavior regarding their ideologies.
As a transwomen who has been full time for 5 years I completely DISAGREE. Yes the NCAA requirements were only 1 year of hormones at female testosterone levels but anyone who has taken hormones knows that the first year does almost nothing to muscle mass. Lia competing this early in her transition regardless of how she placed, did nothing for LGBT or women rights. If anything this has created less acceptance for the LGBT community. ps I am unfortunately a biological man, guess that makes me a transphobe for recognizing science... wtf hah
I love and admired trans women like you and Blaire, you guys are the hope of the trans community. Because of these nonsense and stupidity it’s sometimes really hard to accept this community. Y’all bring hope and respect.
@@a_bamble8328 Basic biology only tells us some of the basic facts about animals and such. It doesn't determine what's moral, nor does it prove that transgender people don't exist. The medical consensus is that trans people are valid. Also, if your morality is based on basic biology, you wouldn't be advocating for putting anyone in jail, since jails don't exist in nature
@@technoloverish no, basic biology tells us that there are fundamental genetic differences between genders. Fact. Also it’s a bit rich to mention morals when you’re basically taking the rights of biological women who’ve fought tooth and nail to have their own category in professional competitive sport only to have them encroached upon by males wishing to be women or identify as such🥴
As a trans person myself, I dont think Lia should be competing in women's sports if she has already underwent male puberty for obvious reasons. Nevertheless I do not condone any attacks or insults directed at her in any way. It is not transphobic to aknowledge the biological differences that are beyond hormone levels.
I got a serious question based on your comment athletes are all criticized and talked shit to attacks I agree with but if it's cool to insult Tim Tebow cause he's a Jesus freak or if it's cool to call LeBron dumb shit like leflop why can't we insult Lia equality is treating everyone the same and every other athlete in the world people for one reason or the other will find ways to insult so should we just not insult her because she's Trans and if so that's fine I just feel like there's this disconnect of the lgbt idea of equality and alot of others, and just in general when it comes to actual contact sports what level of shit talk is OK take the Nfl for example some players say the most hateful hurtful shit to throw the other person off their game. Shit in high school I knew plenty of white lineman who were great people who weren't racist but called black people the n word every Friday to get in their head so again with the equality thing when it comes to on court shit talking is everything fair game and equal or would that be a situation where equality isn't the goal but protection is. And I'd just like to say there's nothing wrong with either
@@DeShawnMcDonald I dont think its ok or mature to insult anyone be them from the left or the right wing. Insulting is what children do because they dont know how to handle a conflict. Adults should know more than resorting to childish acts.
@@rulerthelion860 and that's your opinion but insults have always been a part of sports should fans be able to scream the n or f word no of course not but creative shit talking that's part of sports and you can be unrealistic and say everyone should always be nice but we both know that's not how life works and if you know anything about sports at all its your team is cool and fuck everyone else if your a Philly fan and your at a home game you think it's fun to yell compliments at the other team, do you think they want to hear compliments no real fans wanna talk shit and real athletes wanna be the reason a stadium full of people are losing their minds. Shit talk is just part of sports culture and no ones feelings will ever change the fact people enjoy going to games and booing people they don't like and cheering the ones they do. But you didn't really answer my question as far as the shit talk goes what is acceptable is it equal and so long as no slurs are involved everything can fly or do you think Trans people would prefer protection at the cost of the sport. And you gotta think about this too more people watch sports to watch someone lose then win if people couldn't talk shit about Floyd Mayweather at his matches he wouldn't be rich today if protection is the choice which is fine wouldn't all that do long term is hurt the sport and that athlete since now all the people who would normally be tweeting about them shit talking them cause they are a fan of a different team or someone else is scared of seeming bigoted, all the people who are fans and would see the shit talk and would've become even bigger fans now have nothing to fan the flame it. Also from just a historical stand point don't you think as a community you have more to gain by just taking the joked even the f word ones then by not allowing them. Bill Russell did more for black people being accepted then most people will ever know and he did it while getting called the n word evert night and not being able to eat at the same restaurants as his fellow stars. He put a face to suffering many people in America didn't have a face to put on, not every person knew a black dude back then and same goes for now most people have never met a Trans and seeing one dominate sports the right way while being a champion for their community would bring way more people over to your side long term. And sorry for writing a book this is just a really interesting concept for me that I've never thought of I don't think many others have either. Edit when I say right way I don't mean taking insults I mean playing against the competition that's most even to everyone involved
Its not transphobic to speak out about Lia Thomas being able to compete with biological women. What will happen to womens sports? Its okay to be transgender, but you have to admit that Lia Thomas has a clear biological muscular and down to her bone structure she has an advantage over the other women.
Honestly? Sure. But do we also ban cis women who are more muscular? Taller? Who have naturally higher testosterone? Should it solely be cis women of a relatively average height range, with typical musculature, with normal testosterone levels? This is also a conversation to be had, then. Because there have been many cis women with natural-born advantages that have taken their titles and wins with them without a fuss. Even though realistically, they're particularly more advantaged than the majority of the other cis competitors. But this isn't and has never been a discussion. Although /some/ women _have_ been banned for high testosterone levels... and all of them have been black women. So that's also an interesting thing to note.
@@beasmith3649 ......... You... cant compare Phelps to a trans woman....... There is literally no way a trans woman can ever win against Phelps, unless he's old and can't swim anymore. Fuck, most cis men cannot win against him. What was your point?? Hello? Phelps is also leagues better than Lia. So where were you meant to be going with that? Major eye roll
@@intheraeyne I believe that Womens sports shouldnt be taken over by transwomen. Its okay to be trans, just be trans! Be proud of it. But its absolutely embarassing for Lia to stand there as the #1 spot with a smile on her face. You can't deny that Lia went from #400-something while competing against men, but once she transitioned she became #1, beating out even the #2 spots by more than 30 seconds? You have to be kidding to sit there and act like there isnt something wrong with Lia competing professionally - or even competing against women in college. Lia has just bumped a cis-woman from getting a scholarship for swimming. And theyre talking about how she broke records?? This is absolute madness. I'm a cis-woman and this isn't right or fair to other women. Its like saying that even MEN are better at being women than women are!! Honestly its shocking how this is allowed to happen. I think the persons point is what if Michael Phelps suddenly became trans and started competing against women? Womens swimming records would be done forever, nobody would be able to break them unless theyre another Trans-woman with the best ability to swim ever. THATS THE POINT THE PERSON IS MAKING THOUGH!! This is all just madness.
@@intheraeyne Nobody want's to ban women who are muscular, tall or have a higher testosterone, they are still bilogical women. These women who have higher testosterone levels still don't match the levels of transgender woman on hormones. Trans women still have way way more testosterone and mainly completley different body structure (not just they are muscular, but they are seriously built different, their muscles are different, they bones are differently shaped, their bloodvessels make their body more oxygenated for them to have more strenghts and speed....). It's like trying to see if a housecat can win over a lion. They are both cats but not the same at all since the purpose given to them by nature is different, just like men who's purpose was to hunt and women who's purpose was to care about children a shelter. Deviding sports on male and female is the least we can do to stay sane.
They did, she's not THAT much better than her fellow woman swimmers. In fact, as Samantha stated, the prior 7 years she would've lost with the same time she swam today. She is 9 secconds slower than the world reccord for women. If she was really THAT much faster, wouldn't she have swam some amazing time and crushed the compition? Right now, she just won, and really not by much.
@@SlothDaan The problem is that if Lia without estrogens! competed against other male swimmers, she lost a lot. There is also a whole screwed up family history if! my information is correct, about her brother being really good at swimming, better than her and unhealthy family dynamics ect. In the girls competition she wins. And it is so so disheartening for girls and young women. You have no idea. I did lots of sports when I was younger as well and sometimes went to competitions. It would have been a big oof to try and compete against someone like Lia. No matter how much estrogen she takes, she has a biological advantage. She has more lung capacity, denser muscles, bigger heart, a male jumping bones ( sorry,not from an English speaking country, I mean the whole jumping aparatus in your foot ) which are built slightly different and stronger. If you find a corpse and all that is left are the bones, you can clearly tell from a couple of bones if the person is XX or XY. Because from a biological standpoint there is a difference after puberty. It's just like that. So no it is not fair. And it happens in more and more competitions that transwomen come first and biological women after that. And we can't do anything about it. Our bodies have limits. So if someone tells us to just train more, we will not be able to overcome these limits. I think Lia might be AGP or a transvestie actually. This could be wrong information, but she has a private Instagram and someone shared what she likes and it's a lot of BDSM and kink stuff like drawings of men with a boner in a dress and also apparently liked posts about violence against women. Could be AGP and a kink. She was also reported for flashing infront of the other girls in locker rooms and having her ding dong out and flapping around.....But the girls had basically been told to suck it up. A lot of things seem to be very sketchy with Lia. I have a very bad feeling about her.
Its not about denying science- its just basic respect Are you going to go around saying “this cis man who is biologically a man” everytime you met a cis guy? No because its stupid Just say “trans woman” or “trans man” people already know what these terms mean
@@Man-wolf- Your response has nothing to do with the written statement. Nobody gives a shit what trans people wanna be addressed as. We are talking about unfair biological competition. Have you ever watched a trans woman boxing a biological woman? Cringe af.
@@CrystalSki67 I stopped watching when he said "lung capacity whatever" because it demonstrated that not only does this narcissistic sociopath not understand the obvious differences between male and female musculature he doesn't understand a thing about physiology. There is no biological argument that supports men competing athletically against women. If you thoroughly twisted people would just be honest about it - that is - admit that it's unfair but you think men should be allowed to compete against women because said men are emotionally and mentally unstable and might off themselves if forced to face reality at least it we could respect you for being honest and work on a solution. But no, you're sociopathic, narcissists, and liars.
Edit: Sam, I am waiting for your answer to this. I would even disclose my personal information to you to discuss this. Edit 2: Sam, you do realize your lack of an answer to this topic effects the credibility of your entire video? I am a competitive Olympic style weightlifter (not to be confused with an Olympian). The argument you put forth about Laurel Hubbard in the Olympics at 11:50 is missing so much critical context that this is either an intentional misrepresentation or a misunderstanding. I am inclined to believe it is the second because Olympic lifting is not a popular sport, so I will give this the benefit of the doubt, however, when you say "she didn't even win, hah, told you..." it makes me concerned that it may be the former. First, Olympic lifting is highly technical. Obviously, when you go to a competition, you are going to be trying to lift 100% of your best lift if not greater. That being said EVERY athlete begins to miss at their personal relative 90% range. It is not uncommon for this to happen due to the dynamic nature of the lifts in, particularly the snatch, which is what Hubbard bombed out on (missed all three lifts). Generally, you do start out with a weight that you have made plenty of times in training, but it is still never any guarantee. If you so much as allow the bar to come out a half-inch away from your body at the start, it can cause a missed lift. So, that being said, the more proper metric here is what her starting weight was compared to other women. Remember, your starting weight is obviously a weight that you are capable of hitting. Hubbard, started at 120, which is comparable to where the third place competitor, Sarah robles, started. Despite this, she took her next attempt at 125 and got it overhead and stood it up. It was only because 2/3 judges thought that she bent her arm while catching it overhead that this counted as a miss--in fact, a non-weightlifter would probably wonder why it did not count as a good lift. If she had technically made this lift, she would have beaten the 2nd place competitor in the snatch portion of the competition. She missed her 3rd attempt probably because she was tired--that happens, and 3rd attempt misses are VERY common. Because she did not make these lifts, however, she "bombed out" which means she does not get to compete in the clean and jerk portion. As such, it was not because she did not have an advantage, it was only due to the nature of the sport and the fact that a miss could happen to anyone. It is important to note that she has successfully snatched 131kg in the past--9kg off of the gold medal position, which was won by a competitor from China who is known for using steroids with their weightlifters. Second, she is not "just a really good weightlifter." Not to say she is bad, but pre-transition as a male competitor, her highest snatch was 135kg. Compare this number to the lowest number from the male category in the Olympics of a comparable weight--172kg. That is a massive difference in the world of weightlifting, and she would not have ever made the Olympics as a male. Finally, she was much older (44) than most Olympic competitors. In the sport of Olympic weightlifting, males are typically "on the back end" by the late 20s or early 30s with some exceptions. Generally, your "prime years" are your late teens to early 20s. I am not as well versed on the women's ages, but she was almost 14 years older than every Olympic competitor in Tokyo. For context, compare Hubbard’s best snatch in the open category (131kg) to the world record womens snatch in the dedicated 40-44 age category (77kg)-Hubbard is lifting 54kg heavier than the world record holder in the dedicated 40-44 Y/O category. While I am inclined to believe that this is simply due to not being educated on a relatively obscure sport, the fact of the matter is Laurel Hubbard did retain a significant advantage and was extraordinarily unlikely to ever make the Olympics as a male. Perhaps the ethics of the situation still mandate that she be able to compete despite such an advantage; perhaps we put too much value on sports. Those are not questions that I can answer. However, if you are going to try to use this as an example as a "smoking gun," you have an obligation to get the facts right. Especially if at other points of the video you’re going to be saying things like “it’s purposefully unrepresentative” or “the numbers don’t lie,” (13:40). And even more so if you’re going to use this as support for your point that the Virginia Tech swimmer lost because she wasn’t fast enough.
A 44 year old trans woman can compete against the best females in the world. Whereas he wouldn't sniff a trial amongst the men because he is too old. Just biology. Great explanation
@@adnankassem8114 I will disclaim that I am not commenting on the ETHICAL debate. Maybe we put too much value on sports and in a perfect world no one would care if trans women competed because there’s not as much on the line. But if you’re going to throw out buzz phrases like “it’s science” in front of half a million subscribers, you should get the facts right of one of your examples.
@@JK-ts1bl "Maybe we put too much value on sports and in a perfect world no one would care if trans women competed because there’s not as much on the line. " Scholarships, career, sponsorship, endorsement and so on
no one cares about transgender in individual sports, because dingus like you will obviously remind everyone their accomplishment was 'due to being transgender'. the closest sport to having a say is fighting, and their opinion is bring it on. no one cares about weight lifting, because a transgender weightlifter will categorically be remembered for their records as a transgender person, and not a cisgender person. being transgender is extremely marginalizing, if they're a weightlifter, that's probably like their 1 thing. just let them be.
I feel this was more detail than needed and I don’t think it’s far to say this alone means there is a large advantage. Yes Sam should have looked into this before talking about it but after reading the entirety of this comment I think it sounds like a good argument for why the wait period went to 3 years instead of 1 year.
what do you expect, she never played sports in her life, she cant possibly understand, this is no different than putting Adults against elementary school students in sports.
@@hisham031170 I heard on craine and co that apparently Thomas (I will not call him by his girl name) is dating a biological man who also is transitioning and they "identify" as a lesbian couple. god can you imagine what goes on in that bedroom? pure horror
"I don't think everyone who has an issue with trans women competing in women's sports is inherently transphobic" *blatantly slanders and namecalls anyone who dares to question Lia Thomas being allowed to compete*
@@sava-k-mus Most people who oppose transgender women competing in women's sports believe transgender women are just crossdressing men, but that might not be true for you
@@technoloverish its a legitimate concern; I think there's a big difference between someone who understands Lia's obvious advantage and is uncomfortable with it, and someone who arbitrarily hates all trans people for no reason
You showed how Lia Thomas’s fastest time swimming placing #2 regionally is 20 seconds faster than what she got to win 1st place nationally. Her 2nd place regionally wasn’t even the fastest regionally in men’s…. #462 sounds pretty accurate in national ranking.. and you’re proving a point by saying even her slowest time is fast enough to win #1 nationally. Yet her regional in men’s was faster and wasn’t even #1
The fact you two think someone can literally swim on the mens team then immediately switch to the womens team with longer hair and call him a her is pretty funny.
You claimed transamen are winning, you made notes and yet you couldnt name one. Can you name one trans man that has won a sport that requires physicality?
@@blackmadonnademigoddess Fair enough, but the difference is still very clear. You have to comb the entire internet to barely find an unconvincing win. Meanwhile transwomen are breaking records(and skulls) in all sorts of sports.
Just you wait, if this thing goes on further and people give them more ground, eventually even the word "trans" will be banned. Their ultimate goal is to erase any distinction between a trans woman and an actual born woman. If you don't believe me look at how much Samantha says "as a male" when referring to Lia, as if she's not still male now. Look at the disdain when she says "real women". She's really pissed that real women are viewed as more womanly than her. And even going as far as to say "you cannot call us biological boys or even biological males, you're a transphobe and you will be treated as such". The story of the Irish teacher being jailed for misgendering a student is fresh. That's what Samantha wishes would happen to transphobes when she says "treated as such".
Just bc trans women don’t always win doesn’t inherently mean that the advantage isn’t still there lol there’s also general skill level that goes into it. My thing is this, as a trans woman myself, I would feel so uncomfortable knowing that SIXTEEN biological women on my team were uncomfortable enough to ban together and write a letter about it, to ever continue doing it at all. It’s just not right. There is a biological advantage period. Not always but that doesn’t erase the instances when there is advantage there. I’m sick of trans women coming into traditionally biological female spaces and acting so entitled without acknowledging the clear differences between t girls and bio. It’s just crazy to me.
It's not so black and white tbh. We need to separate athletes by ability not gender. I'm like 5'2" and super skinny and I couldn't compete against anyone professionally 😅 I'm also a trans woman
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing well basically all of your athletic things would be measured on a scale of 1-10 and there would be ranges of points for different levels of competition. So yes sort of what you said but more complicated 😅
I don’t think she’s calling the facts manipulative just the narrative being put behind the facts to make it seem like the trans athlete only transitioned for the sole purpose of beating women in sports.
@Jess fair enough except where it has already happened more than once where a person did "transition" simply to win. The fighter Fallon something and just a few days ago a weight lifter set records that born women will NEVER break. Some narratives are real.
a trans woman is a biological man and everyone knows that so by specifically calling a trans woman a biological male just to be transphobic instead of just calling them a trans women which would have the same meaning its said specifically to be disrespectful, which is reality...
I honestly wish you had a different pov, but ah well. So sad that alot of transwomen dont see the bullshit behind this. And we are always labeled transphobic.
Im gay but I agree.. I mean if were talking about pageantry, I think its okay because they measure you by the way you carry yourself and the way you think.. however in sports I dont think its fair.. plus Lia still have a body of a dude, I mean if you take her hair off, she'll be guy again.. the difference between her body and the other girls are obvious.
People usually prefer the phrase AMAB (assigned male at birth), just to distinguish that you acknowledge their gender is different from what they were born as. Just saying 'male' kinda blends them with cis men, and that is not good, nor really accurate.
@@blobbita it was a rhetorical question but thank you so much for taking the time to respond 😚♥️ it’s perfectly accurate to say that trans women are male, if they weren’t male they wouldn’t be trans, saying they’re not male is trans erasure. ✌️♥️
@@blobbita Nobody is assigned anything, sex is recorded at birth and even before that with modern technology. I do not acknowledge a gender different from sex, I don't think we have a "gendered soul" that inhabits a body with a certain sex, that is ludicrous. Also, I don't think I need a special name just because I don't have mental health and identity issues.
You can see lia holding back in races. Ive got nothing against trans people, but being called a transphobe doesn't bother me at all because its meaningless. Name some trans men winning sports?
It would be refreshing if you didn't frame every issue raised as 'transphobic'. Sometimes people have concerns in good faith. You are also wrong here but reading the comments it appears most people can see that.
I disagree with the points she made about the numbers and athletic performance, but the points about the language used were very much true. If people wish to be respectful and accepting, and want to criticise the way of trans in sports, they should learn to use proper vocabulary. Theres gotta be some respect for the person in your heart when you are talking about them, especially when its critical. Saying 'biological man' or 'biological male' ignores the current womanhood of the trans woman. Assigned male at birth (AMAB) is more accurate and respectful. I know that the word "transphobic" is a buzzword at this point, but most of the time what people mean by saying it is, that it sounds ignorant, disrespectful and hurtful. It is up to the person to decide whether they accept that information and change, or stay the same way they were.
Actually 'biological Male' is accurate. Lia Thomas still has all the advantages of his Male body. He just self-ID as a woman now, he was tired of losing. Dude is a mediocre Male swimmer.
the problem with “trans people in sport” debate. It’s less about how fair it is or how can issue be solved. It is always fuel for transphobic agenda. It is never healthy discussion
I suppose we shouldn’t use gender terms like biological boys or biological men but instead we should say biological males. That being said, I don’t think it’s necessarily transphobic to make this distinction, especially during a discussion like this in particular.
In my own opinion it's still transphobic, because it's referring to a trans person only as their biological sex at birth rather than acknowledging their gender. It's like how calling cis women "females" is misogynistic. People are more than their biological sex (which even then, is always far more complicated than people like to claim it is), and they should be treated as such no matter what their gender identity is and how it differs from their birth sex.
@@ameliasellers6396 if you are a biological male you have an unfair advantage against biological females. That is not an opinion it is a fact. It’s not transphobic either. You can choose to value inclusion over fairness if you want but that’s the argument, not if it’s fair. It’s not fair, fact
So basically Samantha Lux is saying that we should only care about how Lia Thomas feels; and not different women that he cheated out of a scholarship or position in the championships due to being a biological male(thus having biological advantage). This is the kind of narcissist behavior trans people tend to exemplify. "Oh he did what the NCAA rules said". Ok, so obviously the rules aren't perfect and the NCAA is a sell out. That's why people are angry at both the NCAA and Lia Thomas for cheating these women out of their own sport.
This is why I can’t stand trans like Samantha. They don’t care about biological rights, just their rights. I wish these girls would boycott against these trans women and not compete against Thomas or any trans men. It worked just recently this week in Great Britain where biological female cyclists threatened to pull out of the National Omnium Championship if the governing body of the Union Cyclist International doesn’t remove trans woman Emily Bridge from tomorrow’s race. The UCI banned Bridges from competing against biological women this weekend and I am so happy that those biological women stood up for themselves and put their foot down and told the UCI that if they allow a man to compete against them, they will not compete at all. The UCI will lose so much money and viewership from a boycott. I wish our girls here in America would stand up against the NCAA and tell them if they continue to allow men to compete against them, they will no longer participate in any events. This madness of allowing men to compete against our girls has to stop. I don’t want my future daughters to worry about competing with boys and having a boys in their locker rooms. #protectwomenssport #savewomenssports 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@eggchomp If thats how you base your facts; on how I play play pretend. Then no wonder we are headed this direction in the first place. Why should I call him a "she". Looks like a he. For someone who lives in reality; I'd be more inclined to call Samantha a "she". Not a dude in a one piece swimsuit with his hair grown out.
@@justinholloway5210 it’s just basic respect. if i saw someone and called them a he, and was corrected by them i would use whatever pronouns they told me. if you KNOW what she goes by, what’s the issue with using she/her?
@@eggchomp because its perpetuates the issue we are experiencing right now. Where they conflate "gender ideology" with sex. When you call someone that still looks like a man(and is a man) a she.
There's a difference between a fair and unfair advantage.If someone just happens to have longer legs or arms, that's a fair advantage. If someone has an advantage because of their gender, then it's an unfair advantage. Males are usually stronger than females in sports, that's the reason they are seperated in the first place. If a biological male decides to transition after puberty and play against women, that is an obviously an unfair advantage. They have already gotten the muscle, bone mass, height, larger lung capacity from puberty and it's almost impossible to reverse them by transitioning. Identifying as another gender is fine but they are not in a level playing field against biological gender. They only time I'd be fine with trans competing against biological gender is if they completely medically transition before puberty with puberty blockers and all. Now I would suggest a seperate category for trans people, there already seem to be enough to make a seperate category.
Muscle atrophy reaches a point where muscle mass is roughly the same as females by like 9 months on hormones on average, bone mass isn't very useful when you're swimming, all that does is give her more weight to move, meaning she needs to develop more muscle. Height can be affected by hrt, people have reported up to a loss of 4 inches in height. I'm not sure about the lung capacity, I didn't even know that was a thing but seeing as torso's typically become smaller(Ignoring boobs) on hormones the lung capacity probably goes down too(?).
Vagrant… the level of ignorance in your comment is mind blowing. There is a reason why women are not playing in the NBA or NFL. It has nothing to do with choice and everything to do with biology. Bone structure matters because shoulder width and bone length gives a massive advantage. Notice how she looks like male swimmers? Notice how almost all elite male swimmers have the same frame? There is a reason for that. Also she has bigger lungs because of her male body and she can carry more oxygen in her blood because of her male body. There is a reason why she ranked 462 as a male and 1 as a female
@@Dodgers-sw2uk The 462 was her ranking when she was already on hormones for a year she came 7th the year before that. Yes she seems to have an advantage because she's amab but what I said is all just true. Source: I'm trans I know what the hormones I'm taking can and can't do. The advantage is not as extreme as media are making it out to be though, she jumped from 7th to 1st over the course of like 4 years, the dip to 462nd wasn't because she was suddenly bad at swimming it's because she was disadvantaged by being on HRT for an extended period.
@@mandalorkayla8001 The reported lost in height from HRT are mostly anecdotal and at best a inch or two. At the highest levels, men absolutely have a major advantage over women. Believe it or not, leagues like the NBA are already gender neutral and allow women to compete.
22:22 This is actually how all learning works! You're wrong about something and then somebody or something corrects you, and so you win, because you're now one step closer to the truth than you were before. And yes, being able to correct your prior errors is always a win. We should cheer people on when this happens, not make fun of them.
She flaunted about being a journalist and having the facts before that though... We don't need to praise people for admitting they're morons, and we should hold journalists to higher standards if anybody else...
Kids, I tell you. I'm Trans and it's annoying that they feel that their opinions are clearly smarter than grown adults. It's not transphobic to acknowledge we were born male. That's called being a biological male. It's honestly the Trans community that has made it so hard for me to come out. Kid you don't know anything about athletics. Peace, love, and grow up.
Not only that just about EVERYTHING that comes out of your mouth ain't even true. Come back to reality please. Blair White is one of the few trans person that actually makes any sense these days & doesn't constantly lie/deny reality to prove their point.
💯 % . Samantha is full of shit and apparently the truth is "transphobic". How is saying biological male transphobic... ITS THE TRUTH! If these trans women weren't bio males.. they wouldn't be trans.
"Swimming is for people too lazy to bath after exercising"? 🤔 was that supposed to be a joke or funny? Because MILLIONS of people swim at the beach or pools every summer dude.... weak joke if it were one 🤨
And, it's like, have you ever went swimming? Who wants to smell like chlorine all day? Like, I don't know if a single pool that I've been to that doesn't include showers. Ideally, people should shower both before and after to keep the pools clean, but how many people actually do that?
I used to hang out with swcc's(special warfare combative craft crewmen) and they spent days being thrashed in the ocean and no baths in that time for them. I thought about trying out for bcs at one point but I guess I enjoy a bath lol.
biological male isn't consistent with the most common causes of transgender women. So like, for example, I have XY chromosome, and was born with male genitals, but I was born at 5 months and obviously underdeveloped. People start as females and develop into males in the womb, it's really important for that process to go correctly to become a male, and something like premature birth, can obviously mess that up quickly. And so at the surface its actually inaccurate, and beneath that it's popular for people to use this term anyway as a slant despite not all people meaning that, when biological male suggests generally a perfect pregnancy, and not everyone is as fortunate as that. biologically, you could call me male; based off the definition of what a lot of people find common, but in reality, males have already once transition from a female framework while they developed, and that can much more easily mess up than they like to admit. being male means you have officially gone from Charmander, to Charizard. If someone is cut short in that process, you can't blame them for not being Charizard. It can probably mess up during puberty too. I think genetic male is maybe more accurate, but it's still not really accurate enough to constitute, probably just say transwoman, shouldn't compete against women lol. they're not biological males. I doubt most people that say 'biological male' are meaning to be offensive, it's select few that actually know the difference. it's obvious what they're meaning to say.
@@mackenzied.9912 people don't start as females, this is just nonsence that i see so many people being confused about it's ridiculous. People start as fetuses with predetmined sex. The one sperm literally carries the chromosome you are going to be so it's certain from the start for the fetus. The genitals develop later, but they are NOT female at the start. It's a fetus genital (something completley different to male and female) which has the possibility to go male or female and when they get the impulse to start developing, they recognize the chromosome the sperm brought and so by that.
Agree, ignorance, greed and perverted interpretations of Christian ideals are the biggest enemy of humane civilized society, our own inhumanity to fellow humans, hate is a disease.
Lol you guys are saying the "I hate women" part very loud. Especially when you are disrespecting their records and achievements with a disproportionately successful trans athlete.
@@user-fb1vm4uo1u where? Where is the disproportionate success??? She made many points in this video about how this is the first of many Trans Women to compete but only the first to win. You clearly didn't watch. Watch the video then you'll get it. Idk why tf you would think that I hate Women. I love Women. I love ALL Women the same.
@@user-fb1vm4uo1u she won by 0.2s in that race...no transgender athlete has won an Olympic medal in the 16 years they've been allowed to compete. So where are they erasing records?
Female are male bodies only different is not hormones. Testesterone is not the only difference between females and males. Hormone therapy or not, there is such a big biological difference
@@marcoamore927 yes they do. But thinking that taking estrogen makes you a women is insane. The gender you are is in every fiber of your being, bone structure etc. Noone can become the opposite sex. That's a lie
@@Mscugu babe we got the same bones, heart and cell. If you want to give so much relevancy to reproductive organs, why then intersex people are considered anomalies and not human nature? Science is not 100% truth but a human discipline, therefore is biased and embodies the heteronormative and patriarchal world. Only 2 centuries ago , science was used to justify racism by sustaining that noses, teeth and other physical features were signs of pre-evolution and being inferior.
theres also a huge biological difference between every cis women. If a cis woman just hapoened to be born with advantages that have nothing to do with testosterone should she now be banned from womens sports cause shes just too good? then whats the point in sports anymore? isnt it to find the person whos best in specific sports? Or is it finding the one whos the best in the most average way depending on their gender?
So all the work that feminist put in to have women sporting competitions, gets to be made a laughing stock by some dude who thinks he's a woman? The trans movement is vile.
The people who make the rules finally decided to ban trans-men who transitioned after puberty from competing in elite women swimming competitions. Lia Thomas' career is over.
I strongly disagree...I think Lia Thomas' attitude is VERY narcisstic and misogynistic...Lia clearly is unapologetic about winning and "not winning by much," is still winning...NOT okay! Only women belong in women sports...
@@MoonAaliyahh Well that's where we have to disagree...and I have the Truth on my side. And I am sorry to sound intolerable, bc I am not...I am the LAST person who would ever show you disrespect or even give you a second look, except a friendly and accepting smile...But women are about a LOT more than a man could ever know, much less become...We certainly are not just about breasts and a vagina and makeup, etc...So, please, it is very wrong for you to claim you are me when you're not...That is no different than a White woman claiming to be Black...Please stop. You are hurting women...We need our strength in numbers and we also don't need to be bickering about this...What you need, I suspect, is respect and acceptance and I am sorry our society sucks and hasn't given you that...But you cannot just change the facts bc of it. We have to work hard on society and enlighten them on kindness and acceptance. This is NOT the way.
@@rasputjen this is the same mentality white women used to belittle black women. Their is no way to act like a black women their can be ghetto white women. This notion that white women act black means you have to asimílate black women to ghetto which we are not thank you very much. This mentality simply strikes from white supremacy you say you have the truth yet you hold on the the white mans ideology. You say a woman is more then her genitals, breast and make up yet when it comes to trans women you guys switch up and point out these things. I’m sorry but you will continue to contradict yourself wether you believe it or not. It’s time women disconnect from the white cishet mentality. When that happens is when true acceptance can happen and trans women and cis women can co exist since we’re all women just different types of women. And the way you can’t see that this is the same way black women have always been talked down upon by white women I don’t know what to tell you. You’re so close to it yet so far at the same time. Trans liberation is women liberation. The day trans women are fully accepted is the day that cis women will be truly free from the white mans clutches. When we stop diluting the definition of a woman to genitals and organs is when women will be truly free. Trans women have never seen a woman to simply just carry a child or wear make up, wear a dress, trans women are far from those gender norms. We are women. Their is no other identity for us. That’s all I can say to you sis.
the thing too is that USA swimming's guidelines for testosterone levels are much more strict, the NCAAs just decided to go against it and make their own rules. swimming and female sports in general arent gonna disappear, its up to the organizations themselves to make/change rules. i write this comment as a cis-female competitive swimmer. btw.
Not true. The ncaa allowed the individual sports governing bodies to come up with new much stricter rules which will be in effect with the new season. Granted that the old rule was unfair to women but It would be even more unfair for them to make a rule change mid season. There are no instances in sport where the rules are changed during the game based on undesirable outcomes. It's just a basic unspoken rule of sports and life in general
@@amyh3873 maybe what i said came off wrong, NCAA and USA swimming are 2 separate bodies. USA swimming has had these rules in place since the beginning of the season, the NCAA has had their rules in play since the beginning of the season.
The problem is there are only so many things they can control for- but trans women retain the benefits of increased height, lung capacity and most importantly years and years (the most important athletic years of their lives) as men. It would be like allowing certain women to train for years on ultra steroids and then letting them compete after being off for a while. It just isn’t fair. As an athlete you have to know that. Male bodies are just different. I was a college runner and I can say that 99% of the ppl arguing for trans inclusion are NOT athletes. They just don’t understand how big the sex differences are bc they haven’t trained for years or competed recreationally against men.
@@amandamcgovern5744 yeah, i 100% agree, i dont think transgender women should be able to swim against cis women at all. especially since lia had only started transitioning when she was what, 19? if i had to swim against guys, i just wouldnt swim. but in the argument as a whole, some people need to take into account certain situations and be a bit more civil about how they argue their side
@@amandamcgovern5744 why do you view men as these super human figures? What about transwomen who undergo puberty? Whay you are talking about is super exclsionary for such a small fraction of the population (less than 1%; even smaller for competitive athletes). Or would you prefer to force trans men to come and compete in the womens divisions and win all the medals/titles? Either way so what if one or two trans person wins a medal? None have really won much and let alone broken records. They've been allowed to compete on an Olympic level for the past 16 years and not on trans woman had brought back a medal/title. I think you just making mountains out of mole hills tbh.
The guy says “Swimming is for people too lazy to bathe after exercising.” What a way to complete a rant of ignorance about trans issues - by topping it off with a dose of ignorance about swimming as well. I can tell you - I was a swimmer in High School and before that too - and after EVERY workout - the first thing we all did was HIT THE SHOWERS. (EDIT: And yes -- I KNOW that the ignorant statement in question was labeled as a “joke” on a show that is tagged as “comedy” -- but calling a humongously stopid comment a joke does not MAKE it a joke. Had to edit this point into my original comment because I am just EXASPERATED at all those who respond telling me that the guy was “just making a joke”.)
He's a comedian. Not a good one hence the newscaster angle but he's still gonna say anything to get a laugh from his audience. His show is about making funny of the news.
My siblings and I used to compete and we all showered more thoroughly than normal after swim practice and meets than usual. That sir really does not know shit
Samantha Lux if trans men are winning and losing titles and competitions as often as other biological men... why not actually name AT LEAST one of them?
"Swimming is for people who are too lazy to bathe after exercise." Do...sir do you not have a shower after spending hours swimming around in a PUBLIC pool????? Fucking eww!! 🤢🤮
The girl who complains about missing the cut off was literally like 17th place or something. Where's her complaints about the other competitors? Wait, she's just transphobic.
17th is the cut off from top 16, meaning you make finals at NCAAs and earn honorable mention all American. Her other competitors didn’t have an unfair advantage
as a swimmer on hiatus at the moment, i would have been in the top 5 in certain events for girls in my state while in the mens section I couldn't even qualify for the state championships. And this was when i was 13 competing in the 13-14 age group. Biological males keep improving in swimming to adulthood while biological females tapere out at the age of 13 usually. of course there are exceptions though
Can you point to where a trans woman has move from the male league to the female league and gone down in rankings? (I’ve literally never come across this happening so would be curious if it has)
To me, this whole debate is just plain stupid. Sport is divided into male/female based on sex and not gender, so how do you even try to get around that fact?
@@drophat Adult Human Female. That also includes transgender women by the definition clown. And what does the skulls even refer to? Remember, I'm older than you and don't know all the Emoji lingo.
I have listened to the heated debate with strong emotions on both sides and still lean toward the opinion that transwomen retain some advantage in many but probably not all cases. And Samantha, making the olympic team is dominating the competition regardless of performance at that ultra elite level.
At one point one of the best athletes in the entire world, male or female, was a trans women. Who competed and dominated against men. And we forget this because "she" wasn't "trans" at the time. I know people have opinions about Caitlyn Jenner. But she is a trans women, she was always a trans woman. And her accomplishments in sports should be credited to her as a trans women to inspire other trans women athletes about what they can accomplish. But because she competed as "Bruce" and was in the closet, none of that gets credited to her as a trans women the way it should. And she's not even known for her athletic accomplishments anymore. We still live in a society that associates "feminine" men as being physically weaker. And pre transition trans women aren't any exception. The same people saying they aren't "real women" don't actually see them as "real men" either because "real men" are masculine, and being masculine makes you stronger. The message an openly trans women who's putting off their transition to compete and dominate against men in male sports could be huge and significant in its own right for how society looks at gender conformity and sports. If Caitlyn Jenner got to stand a d receive her gold metals as Caitlyn, and not "Bruce", could you imagine the kind of message that would send to the world about true strength?
My question is: How do you feel about Usain Bolt being able to compete? The problem with the argument about biological advantages is where do you draw the line? At which point do we stop telling people they can't compete because of advantages they have?
@@Jbs6187 No, it really isn't. What is disingenuous is the way you go about calling trans women men. You do that to intentionally give the idea that someone on the same level as a man with testosterone currently in their bloodstream at higher levels is competing with women. If we start banning people because of advantages or perceived advantages, where do we draw the line? Usain Bolt is pretty genetically gifted (though you can't discount his work ethic). Though he is retired, one could (and reasonably so) argue that his advantages were unfair, so he shouldn't have been able to compete. Should we draw the line there? How about people who have asthma? Pretty sure everyone who isn't asthmatic has an advantage, should we just ban everyone who isn't asthmatic? It is a slippery slope, once you start banning people for advantages/perceived advantages, when can you realistically stop?
@@Jbs6187 No, you refuse to look at the big picture because you are closed minded. None of my arguments have been made in bad faith. You argue against the rules set in place by the professionals, you look the other way when trans women underperform in favour of focusing on the women who do perform well. That is disingenuous. You fail to see that what you wish to do is create a precedent for banning people viewed as having an advantage. If you think it won't, then it is you who is delusional.
Except Lia isn't dominating the competition and she hasn't made the Olympic team. She didn't break any records set by cis women at the meet, and she was in two other races, the 200 Free and the 100 Free, both of which she didn't win. She tied for fifth in the 200 Free and came in eight in the 100 Free. If she were dominating, she would have swept all her races.
I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. However a few things to challenge you on: -The authenticity of her men's ranking, and the authenticity of her women's ranking. From what I have read up on her, there is a noticeable placement improvement overall by switching divisions. Comparing her times doesn't assess or explain the reason why her rankings improved by switching divisions even if the margin of improvement was smaller than depicted. -It is unreasonable to compare her times to the fastest possible/record holding times. I see the intention of your argument but it brings it to an extreme to imply that for one to have an advantage it needs to be above and beyond exceptional records such as fastest of all time. What is needed is to see ranking changes between those who have performed in one division then switched to another and how those rankings compare statistically overall. Scrutinizing a time saying it's "slower" is like saying they're not #1 so its not a valid argument. They could very well still be performing better overall despite not ranking. A counter argument could very well be, well if she is still slower in the women's, would she even be competitive in the mens? -Lung capacity, bone density, muscle fiber count don't guarantee performance advantage, but they sure provide potential for improvement over someone who is not as endowed in those categories. In swimming for sure, lung capacity plays a huge role as it is a full body exercise, as well as cardiovascular endurance which relies on oxygenation to all muscle tissues. Better lungs, better perfusion, better oxygenation, longer endurance, better performance. -Hormone augmentation is a slow and fickle process. Physiological changes don't change quickly, it takes years to manifest, to counteract decades of hormonal conditioning and development. One year, as well as competing against men as a man in the past could very well allow those advantages despite hormone levels, to carry over and persist even after thorough transitioning for years. -There is a definitive performance difference between some men and womens divisions. Refer to U15 Dallas Boys soccer team VS USA national womens national team game. That's 15 year old boys against fully grown womens professional soccer team training their whole life. And while the exact advantages can't be definitively delineated, this is seen in many other types of sports as well in other areas for different reasons. This parallels here that while yes, Lia Thomas might not be champion or breaking world records, the argument lies in whether her improvement in ranking is real, and whether or not it is because of the division change. Despite it not being as influential as someone who is clearly breaking the records, and outperforming by large margins, doesn't mean its fair and not relevant. -Why is it necessary that an obvious, prominent and incomparable case of domination needs to happen first to then prove that an advantage is very likely? This isn't the only example of rank improvement either, Laural Hubbard just to list one. One can always cast shadows of a doubt to the reason behind anything, but that doesn't disprove the argument at hand. It just says there are exceptions to everything.
The main argument to challenge is if trans women have a significant enough advantage to “damage the integrity of women’s sports”. My take is that people with natural advantages will always exist. Michael Phelps is a biological freak of nature (in a good way) when it comes to swimming, yet people don’t have a problem when he competes. Just from whatever everyone has seen so far, trans women just don’t have that “significant” advantage that everyone proposes. An advantage? Sure. A GREAT one? Probably not. I just don’t see what we have to lose by letting trans women compete, especially since they already fit the guidelines set by the organizations in which they compete in.
@@keithy5932 they do have a great advantage. Nobody cares about biological females having that advantage because it's a female sport. Female sport is specifically designed to be a safe space for females since they cannot compete in male sports. When you put biological males who are women into this sport who have had the advantage of training in a male body for the majority of their life it destroys the integrity of the safe space.
Are you seriously trying to explain the physiological changes of undergoing hormone replacement therapy to someone who has actually undergone hormone replacement therapy?
@@jessherselfable does the physiological change for one person represent and therefore dictate the physiological change as the same for everyone else? is that how that works? Fine, here let me even the score for you then. Or does she not count? th-cam.com/video/e9SSh4D-nkQ/w-d-xo.html
Pple are gonna be concerned though.Women have had to fight hard for their rights and at one point could not vote, keep children after a divorce, earn a fair wage or even drive.
The issues affecting you, Samantha, are not the issues affecting many other women...Women need their own seperate designation, as our experiences are different- very different. This is not transphobic.
exactly.. does Samantha worry about tampon shortages? no.. does Samantha worry about roe v wade because it will effect her personally? no Samantha cant possibly have the full female experice so she is not capable of knowing how it would feel being the women's athlete who worked so hard her whole life who just lost a scholarship to someone like Lia Thomas. like im not transphobic. do you. be who you are. but you being who you are shouldn't have such an impact on other women
@@noobmasters6913 YALL act like trans women don’t care about Roe v wade being overturned. And y’all act like they started with it… our rights have been being stripped and revoked YALL didn’t care. When they were talking about anti trans laws and bills y’all didn’t care until it came to roe v wade. It didn’t start with roe v wade it started with trans rights and isn’t gonna stop at roe v wade. Just like when blm was happening white people were only here for performative activism and now that black women are sitting back on this yall wanna come for us. This right here is blatant privilege. Trans women have been the most vocal about roe v wade y’all forget we’re a minority. We’ve been talking about our rights being stripped and it was gonna catch up to y’all. You guys didn’t care about the anti trans mobilization and blatant mistreatment black women and black trans women receive in society.
@@noobmasters6913 and most trans women like myself carry tampons and pads for a cis and non binary AFAB friends. I’ve always had tampons and pads for my girlfriends and most trans women have been doing the same for sister hood y’all just wanna blatantly be transphobic and misogynistic.
@@MoonAaliyahh you carrying around pads because you want to maybe be useful for your friends isint the same thing. i have no issue calling you a women.. but lets be honest.. we have two totally different experiences.
Sam is so out of touch and defensive on this subject. There are many instances where this is happening. Even if they aren't the best at their sports they are doing better as a woman than they were as a man. And it's not the point whether or not they are the best. The point is that any natural born male can get an advantage over a woman in sports just by claiming as a transwoman. Watch the movies Ladybugs or JaWanna Mann, and distinguish whether we can even challenge whether or not their gender identities are man, woman, neither, or fluid. Many people will still label him as a he/him. Solely because they don't believe he is trans for any other purpose than to get an advantage in sports.
No amount of hormones can change your wingspan, lung capacity, heart size/cardiovascular reserve, or height. What is wrong with Trans women competing against men? To me this would actually be changing stereotypes about masculinity/femininity. This issue is ONLY affecting biological women. Biological men will always perform better than trans men. Don't believe me? Name ONE, just ONE trans man who has competed at the collegiate or professional level and won first place, or even placed in the top 10.
@@salenzar And it also doesn't make it any less true that its demeaning to bring forth someone's assigned sex at birth, all with the intention of invalidating someone's identity. Nice try though, people like you will go the extra mile, as to type a youtube comment, to offend a marginalized community. What a pathetic choice of actions, and bad management of priorities!
@@a1kevin72 Except there are plenty of trans folk who are NOT offended by the term "biological male/female". There are plenty of trans women who proudly say "I am biologically male" and vice versa. So to call this "demeaning" is false. It's not. I agree SOME ppl are offended by this term, but that does not in and of itself make it offensive. I have to assume that this offense is the result of a degree of ignorance to the field of biology, which has everything to do with the the reproduction and evolution of all species, and nothing to do with their gender expression (a subject for the field of anthropology). Biologically, if you were born with female gametes/gonads, you are female. By this definition, my cat is biologically female despite having had her uterus and ovaries removed. This YT creator is a biological male of the species Homo sapiens, AND she's also an anthropologically trans-female human. I'll give you that context matters. For example, if I just point to an overweight person and say "you're overweight," most would agree that's both true and rude, whereas if their doctor says "you're overweight and at increased risk of..." that's not offensive. In a discussion of athletics, the term "biological" is relevant, and is NOT being used with the intention of "invalidating someone's identity" as you suggest. It's being used to highlight the differences between male and female physiology. As a biological male, Lia Thomas has several physiologic advantages that her fellow female competitors do not, and nothing about this statement invalidates her identity.
Why is caling an trans women an biological male is so offensive? You can argue that it's telling that are not women, but I bet you will even find the term born male offensive, too! As for trans on sports, why not having an trans only category, or this is offensive too?
Come on Hex. Your mental health is bad enough. Don’t read the comments. Don’t read the comments don’t read the comments don’t read the comments don’t read the comments
im just glad that being transphobic isnt illegal cause with all the accusing she does tons of good people would be thrown in jail for simple misunderstandings.
I think transgenders should have a separate section when it comes to sports. Certain biological advantages cannot be overcome. And this is solid proof.
So segregation. Also, who would they compete against? It's not like trans people are swarming into competitions by the dozens. There is maybe one or two per competition. Also, nice using the exact same argument that was used against black women when they were finally allowed to compete. Always the same BS with bigots.
He is a man, oh my gosh this world 🤦🏾♀️😂 and when you say “born Male” you’re insinuating that he’s still not one today, he is and will be till the day he dies.
Has anyone ever heard a real woman's perspective on this and I don't mean to be offensive I just don't know what the pc word for real is and I'm curious cause it seems like the Trans communities hijacked their entire platform I haven't heard of a female athlete that wasn't either Trans or in trouble in well over 3 or 4 years but I've heard of plenty of Trans ones
@@theo-bg2cr No I don't. Lmao. But I do know the difference between male and female. And i know it's impossible to change sexes. No matter how much one's FEELINGS get hurt.
@@theo-bg2cr There is no such thing as a trans person. No matter what someone alters on their body will change their sex. And no amount of hormones or surgery or playing pretend will alter the xx or xy chromosome of women and men. Trans is maded up term to make some people feel better living with their confusion.
@@Racingpappy101 They're still trans and your argument isn't valid. Chromosomes aren't that accurate and if you actually researched it that your chromosomes you would probably be surprised that your chromosomes aren't what you expected
And just because Lia came in second in a few races on a college or high school level doesn't mean her ranking is 2. Her ranking would be based on her time. The 462 fastest swimmer in the country IS pretty good. Its just that no one cares. Yes, he was talented, but not enough to matter. Its EXACTLY the situation where switching would make it count.
As a professional athlete who is a trans girl, I'm glad my sport is Expedition (backpacking, may be a hike, bike, or paddle) and I don't need to worry about any of this because it's more everyone has the same goal, less compeditive (I may have certain stances on compeditive sports in general being just bread and circuses an Expedition girl. I may love watching hockey but I still know what it is). That being said, I'll just say it's revealing that someone who finished third (Riley Gains) is the one making the biggest issue out of Leia Thomas like she would've won without Leia there when she literally lost to a cis woman in that race and is writing books. Like, how do people not see the grift?
The biomechanics have already long developed as a male by the time Lia Thomas had even begun transitioning. Advocating for that kind of advantage purely on the fact that Lia is transgender is exceptionally discriminatory against every other non-trans competitor. Testosterone levels alone do not make up the fierce advantage that men have over women in most sports. Google will happily show you this as an overwhelming fact. There is a very clear and long held reason why sports have been categorized by biological sex and not your confused feelings.
@@notannie4798 What salt? I'm truly worried about where people's moral compasses point when they're happy to disadvantage literally hundreds of competitors for the sake of the feelings of less than 10. Women have been competing for over a century in the Olympics, I wouldn't class that as "Modern" and the word gender wasn't even part of the vocabulary back then. So no, it was separated by biological sex. Some sports are even divided by weight, you going to tell me that I'm allowed to identify as 60kg so I can wrestle those half my size? Time to understand that society as a whole is noticing trans people and they are not liking what they see.
So, and this is a question.... if I'm offended as not only a woman but a mother raising a young woman (far off, albeit.. as my daughter is 5) is it transphobic bc I find Lia competing against biological females is unfair and steals spots from women. What about us??? I get Trans need acceptance, but women legit began voting last century!!! Our rights matter too. We have the right to a fair playing field.
Also, why can't we say there's a biological advantage. That's science. I'm just confused. Male puberty is a big thing in sports, and if Caitlin is wrong, then why call him oneand she only did that bc she was barred from the males team.
Last comment " In the 2018-2019 season she was, when competing in the men's team, ranked 554 in the 200 freestyle, 65 in the 500 freestyle, and 32 in the 1650 freestyle. " While I agree this is a SITUATIONAL problem.. he situation with lia is a problem.
Did you watch the video?? As she litrealy pointed out she was the first trans woman to win, she even explined how horomones breaks down muscles within trans women meaning they lose their strengh Besides that she is still a woman. Trans women are still women
@@Man-wolf- so what am I ? Do you see how a lot of women are beginning to feel like we don't matter anymore ?? And also.. while lia is a woman. She's a Trans woman and has an unfortunate and unfair advantage. Takes many many years for muscle mass to deteriorate not to mention she never looses bone density or other biological advantages
How would it be 'stealing' a place if 1). She is a woman, as are we and 2). She wins fair and square while following all the rules and guidelines that the company set out. That's not stolen, that's earned.
I'm a forensic anthropologist, what I do is identify deceased persons, specifically from skeletal remains. Regardless of someone's gender identity in life, I can identify the sex of their body from their skeleton. I don't need the whole skeleton to do so. There are so many differences that people are unaware of. These differences can be observed even prior to puberty. Female bones are lighter and more fragile because they are less robust. The muscular attachment points on the bones in males are more pronounced, providing better stability for muscular development. The pelvic girdle is structurally different between male and female bodies, which affects the articulation of the femur and the innominate of the pelvis. This causes males and females to have different gait (walking pattern) because the bones are arranged at differing angles. The female pelvis is designed to flex, it is designed to bear unbalanced weight--these are the biological aspects that allow the female body to gestate and birth offspring. Male bodies don't have that function and that is reflected in the narrower, less flexible pelvis which is one of the reasons that male bodies are more prone to pelvis prolapse following "bottom surgery." The male pelvis is optimized for stability in motion, the female is not. These morphological traits only become more pronounced post puberty but they are present from the gestational divergence of sex development in utero. We can compare skeletons of female fetuses and male fetuses at 20 weeks and discern sex. Beyond that, we can identify male skeletal remains that had endocrinology disorders which inhibited their testosterone production-it winds up reflected in their bones. Their muscle attachment points are less pronounced than the average male's. But it doesn't change the anatomical structures which facilitate physical abilities which females lack. Similarly female remains can indicate a lack of estrogen, that will be observed in the bone density degradation. Taking testosterone will initially improve a female's bone density but only temporarily because of the estrogen suppression nature of elevated testosterone levels it will cause premature osteoporosis. Similarly, a male taking estrogen will have lower bone density than the average male but it won't be as diminished as a female's is at their normal state. Either sex will have diminished density if they are exposed to puberty blockers, it is mild, but if the individual takes the dominant hormone not matching the inherent hormone production of their body that mild bone density lessening will be compounded and can become an issue in later life. None of this is judgement or opinion, its human anatomy. Evolution optimizes traits favoring that which best supports survival and reproductive success. That has led males to be optimized for physical performance and females for maximizing the chances of their survival and successful production of offspring. None of this of course has any impact on what a person chooses to do in life but when we are seeking to set up "fair" competitive activities it is disingenuous of us to deny anatomical differences. Many will argue that there is a great range of variation amongst females, and that is a valid observation. There are individuals who have gifted genetics that allow them to give superior performances. But if we look at the average performance of devoted athletes the results we see are very distinct between male and female abilities. Those distinctions do narrow at the most elite of the elite, but its safe to assume that those individuals are outliers amongst their own sex, there is a reason they are the best in the world. Which is why it is more valid, for the purposes of fair competition, to look at the performances of average dedicated athletes and compare those. When we do so we can clearly observe that females taking no hormone modification do not perform as well as females taking testosterone. Males taking estrogen do not perform as well as males taking no hormone modification. Yes, there are other factors- how much dedication you put into it, how much you can access adequate training facilities, your diet-the list could go on. But the general agreement has always been that anatomical structures that differ significantly don't compete against each other and in contact sports we delineate those sets of who can compete with who even further because fairness and safety require we do so. If we extend our analysis to factor in the multitude of differing impacts of hormones on organ systems the comparison of a female to male in terms of physical performance are even more divergent. While female bodies on testosterone are physically strengthened, better able to build muscle, they never progress to the point of even remote equity to the physical capacity of a male. Similarly, a male body on estrogen is physically diminished but retains numerous physical advantages over the average female body. Ultimately the result is a female bodied athlete on testosterone would not have to work as hard to beat a female athlete without hormone treatment. I think logically everyone would conclude that a Transman has an advantage over a ciswoman in terms of strength and that competing in the same category would not be fair. Realistically a Transman doesn't stand a chance in most physical competitions with a cisman. A Transman possesses no physical advantage relevant to sport compared to a cisman so their inclusion in competition doesn't create any unfair disadvantages. The same cannot be said for Transwomen, no they are not as strong as cismen, a hormone has altered their ability to build and maintain muscle. That capacity is made inferior compared to cismen, but it remains superior to ciswomen, as does their bone density. The articulation of their pelvis is not changed by the hormones. Their superior capacity to metabolize medications and alcohol while diminished, is still superior to that of ciswomen. While they may be taking female hormones, they are taking artificial female hormones which have some different effects in the body compared to native estrogen. We know this because numerous studies have identified that birth control pills (estrogen and progesterone) impair the cortisol release mechanism of the body-essentially shutting down the stress coping mechanism. Estrogens and progesterone native to the female body don't do this. Female bodies taking birth control exhibit changes in areas of the brain that we don't even fully understand (or disclose to patients taking the medication) So we know that synthetic female hormones do not behave entirely the same as native female hormones. It should not be taboo to discuss the facts of human anatomy in all their complexity and diversity. And it should not be considered unacceptable for people who have been marginalized due to their sex to voice concern that they are being treated unfairly or held to unfair standards. If we were earnest in our desire to establish fair competitions we would investigate the physiological performance differences and seek to fully understand the physiological effects of hormones before we assumed that an individual with very different anatomy can fairly complete against members of a group that share fairly similar anatomy. If we earnestly respect the interests of all persons we should want to ensure that no one is being provided unfair standards of competition. The fact that expressing this is seen as offensive, in and of itself, is offensive. It is reasonable to want to ensure competitions are fair and safe and respectful to everyone competing.
I don't think anybody cares for being called transphobic anymore. The word has lost all it's power (if it ever had it) because the reasoning behind calling someone transphobic is so batshit that the meaning is starting to morph into "you won the argument and I'm mad"
I think you made some interesting points, such as trans being able to compete since 2015 but not having many winners, that the swimmers time got slower after transitioning, etc. But also I don't know why it is transphobic to refer to a trans person as a biological male in the context of sports(It would be rude to bring it up when not relevant), i mean i heard your explanation about it sounding polical, but i dont agree. Its really difficult to hold a conversation when many reasonable points are shut down as transphobic because the language used(its not offensive language). and this swimmer is clearly huge compared to the other girls, had built muscle in places women don't gain muscle, and clearly shows a big difference from the other women. It doesn't look fair at all. 🙈 I do hope there can be a way for everyone to compete, but this is not it. But I don't play sports at all, so if the girls are ok with it than sure 🤷♀️
Like I originally didn't support trans women participating in competitions at all, and then a youtuber u don't like said she thinks that all people should have that opportunity to compete because studies show its great for their health and that shouldn't be taken from them, and I was like true, and now I'm alot more open to trans even in womens comp., but then I'm transphobic now for using certain language that makes sense, and you just throw it to a polical party that I don't even want to make a correlation to during this discussion, and then shut it down, which just makes me feel like I am labled as transphobic and have no room to embrace your opinion without changing political stances, and my understanding of the world, to fit the same with yours, which is not how discussions should go, unless u just want to talk to people that think the same as you. But I'll keep watching u anyway cuz I like watching both sides of stuff.
Instead of "biological male" use the term AMAB(Assigned Male at Birth). "Biological male" comes across as saying that trans women are males, they aren't, they were just assumed to be based on external genitalia at birth.
@@mandalorkayla8001 They are males, if they were females they wouldn't need to transition. But you are the first person that admits the real reason why the term 'amab' is use.
@Engie Wym and? Yes men are stronger, faster, taller, all things you need to perform as a athlete at a high level, the whole reason why women got their own side is so it would be fair to go against other women rather than having to go against men, it's simply not fair for the women who are just biologically at a disadvantage so they got their own space to shine but now that can be in jeopardy if we start letting men just identify as women and dominate the competition just based off their natural physical advantage
A research team in Stockholm is developing new information that may affect the IAAF's regulations in the future. The study has been ongoing since 2015 and a total of 23 Swedes have been analyzed before and after undergoing gender-confirming treatment. The researchers have, among other things, measured their body composition, muscle mass and muscle strength. Men on average have 35-40 percent more muscle mass on their legs than where women have. According to Tommy Lundberg, doctor of physiology at Karolinska Institutet, the trans women in their study came down below the IAAF's testosterone limit and stayed there for a year, completely in line with current regulations. But the muscle mass on the legs decreased by only 5 percent and the muscle strength did not decrease at all. "Many people may have thought that trans women lose more than we see them actually doing. It can be an important addition to this issue." said Lundberg when he was interviewed about the study some year ago. So those who think that transgender people should be able to compete as the gender they think they belong to, what are their suggestions? That it should not be gendered? What sports and sports (besides shooting and horse jumping) would a woman manage in that case? Then it is to say goodbye to women in both football, soccer.athletics, basketball, tennis etc. Trans women who have undergone a male puberty should not be allowed to compete in women's sports (should rather be counted as doping). Either a big no there or they can release all doping. Men's sports are one thing. There are no rules that stop women from playing with men, if they can keep up. And a trans man does not have an advantage over cis men in sports, unlike a trans woman along with cis women. Golf player Annika Sörenstam (the only woman who went under 59 strokes during competition) played with the men for a while to get a challenge in a PGA tournament because she was so superior to the other ladies. She then came in 96th place. Kajsa Bergqvist broke the world record indoors in the high jump with 2.08 m. The male world record is 2.45 m. Serena Williams, the best female tennis player of all time, and her sister Venus got to play a match against a man who was ranked 203rd place, they were both outclassed (even though the man had not even warmed up).
Certain biological advantages cannot be overcome, which is why there are different categories in most sports - weight divisions in boxing being the most obvious example.
Well then there should be weight classes in swimming too by this logic
@@jewelwilliams1284 Not necessarily. Weight would be both an advantage and a disadvantage. In boxing, weight is 100% an advantage. More weight = more power in a punch. So it really depends on the sport.
@@ElariaFlori I agree which is why i disagree with the first person's logic. In the case of swimming, biological advantages dont necessarily require separation of categories like weight classes
@@jewelwilliams1284 the problem isn't with swimming it's the implications it has on real sports like boxing mma and basketball I don't think most people would give a shit if they made swimming genderless when it came to competition it's just when your putting them up against someone born a woman in a contact sport. Like there's a video out there of a Japanese pride fight of a 50 year old woman whose like 120 pounds against a 240 pound man who just said he's now Trans and pride fights are always wild but it's the premise of people wanna make sure sports stay as fair as they can be and the truth of that is is that fair in contact sports means separated by gender.
@@DeShawnMcDonald I don't disagree with that and I never said I did. Like I said and I repeat, some sports don't need a separation. Contact sports, yes. Maybe not basketball but some sports yes. It's like you didn't read what I said
Not trolling I’m just trying to understand why the term biological male is offensive? Open to opinions ?
It's not. Facts are facts.
@@britannia6080 right but she says that word for word and I can’t understand the reasoning sooo hence why I’m asking to understand.
biological boy/man is a bit iffy but biological male is fine imo. but really comes down to personal opinions
Because some men are suffering from a delusion they are have changed sex
@@minuishaq631 Okay
10:52-11:07 Im sorry but did this individual just say that lung capacity isn't a "significant indicator to athletic performance" in regards to swimming? because as a former swimmer I have a hard time believing someone could be so stupid
Lung capacity is VERY important in swimming. How deep your breaths are, how much air your lungs can hold, and how much oxygen the lungs can put into the blood is a huge factor in how well you swim. I used to swim and was always the slowest bc I have low lung capacity and asthma. The more oxygen going into the muscles the more power they have when swimming.
just realized it wasnt obvious that I am agreeing with you, im just proving the point further
@@marcel7734 exactly thus this man is stupid and Lia Thomas has a biological advantage
Yeah Lungs capacity is important in all physical sports Let Alone Swimming.
Swimmers don’t have gills…?
"shes just good at swimming " ...when placing in the 400s when competing as a male ? ..
She was in the 400s because she had already started HRT at that time
@@technoloverish HRT doesnt change your muscles,heart and lung size etc. He still had all the advantages of being male. he was in the 400 s bc he sucked.
Dawg literally watch the video your just trasphobic lmao
Yk What bothers me tho- a Jamaican biological woman was denied to compete in Tokyo bc of her natural testosterone-
😟 I didn't know Tokyo was like that...
@@mylife-23 The olympic committee made that decision not the city Tokyo.
@@johanna2690 oh. Still oof
I remeber seeing white cis women on twitter posting an image of four cis Asian women athlete calling three of them who have short hair “men” to claim “womens sports is being taken away”
All because the women didnt look like white women :/
That restriction was absurd and unfairly disadvantaged black women, who naturally produce higher testosterone. It’s hard to see how the restriction isn’t linked to race in those circumstances.
As a trans athlete, I of all people would love to be able to compete in women's sports, but I can't do so in good conscience. I didn't start transitioning until 23 so my advantages are too great. People might not think height is an advantage, but it is; I'm 5 inches taller than if I were born cis. My torso and wingspan are larger as well. I lifted weights for years with T levels above 600 ng/L. My T might only be 23 ng/L now but I built all of my muscle under circumstances only achievable by cis women who take anabolic steroids like trenobol or anavar. I have lost muscle of course but it'd be similar to a cis athlete doing a steroid cycle in their off-season. I think it's a bit sad that transphobes AND the trans community don't talk about trans individuals that continue to compete against those of the same biological sex. As much as I disagree with some of what you've said in this video; I completely respect your stance on things. You always make well-thought out videos and many of them have helped me so much; especially when I was first transitioning.
I'm mostly opposed to making blanket statements on trans athletes because transitioning isn't the same in every case
However, I think the trans people in sports are unfairly dogpilled and politicized, with conservatives jumping on the opportunity to create panic every time a trans woman wins but never covering their losses.
I respect your decision, however. Good luck going forward.
@Ymar Ascough: Thank you for your comment!
Today trans people are much more accepted by society than 30 years ago, moreover they can show up more and more and I find that very good. And personally, as a bisexual, I find that your masculine side is an advantage that you should not deny. It's also part of you and it may not appeal to everyone, but it appeals to some people, including me. And it is these people who must be important to you and not those who bother. You are women gender and biological male so "he" is just as fair as "she" in your case and instead of seeing it as a handicap, see it as an advantage.
@@garyrandom7512 But sports is different you can apply that principle to life but not sports
@@kazikek2674 Because categories are made based on SEX, not gender identity. And even trans people agree you can not change your sex
@@garyrandom7512 Thank you for the nice reply! I completely agree with you. My entire life is what makes me who I am and I wouldn't change it for anything. I would never have met by best friends if I didn't go to an all boys high school. I would never have picked up my first dumbells either. Things were rocky along the way but I've only turned out better for it. I'm happy I'm biologically male and I'm even happier that I'm a trans woman.
It’s not about their gender identities. Their gender identities are not competing against other gender identities. It’s the body that competes and the advantages bestowed on someone who went through male puberty are not fair if they want to compete in women’s sports.
@@mikeicee because the trans woman developed as a man? And men have larger hearts and lungs?
@@mikeicee pushing out biological women doesn't get anyone anywhere.
@@mikeicee I really hope you're joking about your deleted reply.
@@analigiabatres9114 Ohhh my which reply is deleted?
@@mikeicee It doesn't matter they are legally 100% woman...you guys acting like the white guys against African American athletes back in the day. Sports only got better by having the BEST athletes regardless of DNA. This is the future!
Your words, not mine.
The whole "there is no advantage" argument falls apart for me when you note that this is only a problem in women's sport.
When we start to see trans men competing in elite sport and breaking records i'll accept the basis of it.
Chris Mosier? L bozo
You said the quiet part out loud…
You can be ranked 500 something and still win competitions. Liah, as a man was competitive in Ivy league tournaments which are not necessarily the most competitive events. So yeah he had good performances in competitions that didn’t have the best male swimmers. But how well did he finish in tougher events? And testosterone is not the only advantage in sports, the lung capacity, bone density, fast twitch muscle fibers (which are what creates power in a tennis serve, not testosterone) are of an enormous advantage. It is likely that she did not train as hard as she should have to beat the women. Her VO2 max is probably astronomical in comparison to the women she competed against.
Its ridiculous on its face. Trans activists arent doing themselves any favours by defending this madness.
@@jio-lito Lia before starting transition was ranked 89th in men's competition. Lia dropped to 462 while on HRT, but the transphobic media leaves that out. And while Riley Gaines is running around she is also leaving that out
5:21 Just curious but how is saying biologically male being transphobe? Wouldn't that just be accurate?
Yes. Thats not transphobic.
Hoping that I can explain this, it's basically telling trans people that what their biology matters more than what they identify as, assigned at birth says we know that at birth you were assigned this gender bc of what your private parts looked like.
In other words trans woman's body is still a female body it's just not the same as a cisgendered females body.
@@islasullivan3463 I mean that’s just a faith based claim. That’s a trans woman’s body IS a female body. What does that even mean? In what way? Spiritually? But regardless.. in this context, in this conversation it’s relevant that transwomen have male bodies because make bodies are more athletically capable .. see that even goes against what you said.. it’s basically impossible to have this conversation if you can’t talk about that, as it IS the heart of the debate. Though maybe that’s the point of telling ppl their transphobic if they say it
@@amandamcgovern5744 Okay well another reason is that transphobes often say is that biology/science doesn't care about your feelings or some iteration of that, so calling them biological males/female can unintentionally bring up a lot of memories for people where others told them that when you could use trans/amab/afab.
@@islasullivan3463 I don’t know what those last 2 words are.. but sure.. I think it would be rude to point out someone is biologically male for no reason or just to be a jerk. I’m just saying that to have this sports debate you kind of do need to be able to refer to the fact that their body doesn’t correlate to the sex they want to participate with. That’s all. Doing so is not “transphobic”.. I don’t think it’s beneficial to anyone to use that word so freely to the point it becomes totally devoid of meaning. I’ll be honest.. I’M not even sure exactly what transphobic means anymore. The most frequent way I hear it used is as a way to shut down conversation. As an atheist, trans activists remind me a lot of fundamentalist Christians that I talk to. The ideologies never really withstand scrutiny or basic questions, it’s considered impolite to ask certain very simple questions, the beliefs are faith based and can’t be demonstrated or tested. Like “Jesus rose from the dead” or “god watches over me” or “trans women ARE literally women.”
It’s actually really fascinating as I think these 2 groups are opposed in a lot of ways. But are so so similar in behavior regarding their ideologies.
As a transwomen who has been full time for 5 years I completely DISAGREE. Yes the NCAA requirements were only 1 year of hormones at female testosterone levels but anyone who has taken hormones knows that the first year does almost nothing to muscle mass. Lia competing this early in her transition regardless of how she placed, did nothing for LGBT or women rights. If anything this has created less acceptance for the LGBT community. ps I am unfortunately a biological man, guess that makes me a transphobe for recognizing science... wtf hah
Blair White discussed this and I loved it
I love and admired trans women like you and Blaire, you guys are the hope of the trans community. Because of these nonsense and stupidity it’s sometimes really hard to accept this community. Y’all bring hope and respect.
You are absolutely right.
@@legoshirocha blaire lies about shit constantly and is such a pick me girl
@@katlyndobransky2419
Blair is the anti Samantha Lux
Whoever allowed Lia to partake in the women’s category of sport should be jailed for what they have done to women’s rights.
Even if I agree with you that Lia isn't a woman (I don't), where does The Bible say it's a sin for men and women to be in sports together?
@@technoloverish why do we need the bible to understand basic biology?
@@a_bamble8328
Basic biology only tells us some of the basic facts about animals and such. It doesn't determine what's moral, nor does it prove that transgender people don't exist. The medical consensus is that trans people are valid. Also, if your morality is based on basic biology, you wouldn't be advocating for putting anyone in jail, since jails don't exist in nature
@@technoloverish no, basic biology tells us that there are fundamental genetic differences between genders. Fact. Also it’s a bit rich to mention morals when you’re basically taking the rights of biological women who’ve fought tooth and nail to have their own category in professional competitive sport only to have them encroached upon by males wishing to be women or identify as such🥴
@@a_bamble8328 It isn't illegal to be trans.
As a trans person myself, I dont think Lia should be competing in women's sports if she has already underwent male puberty for obvious reasons. Nevertheless I do not condone any attacks or insults directed at her in any way. It is not transphobic to aknowledge the biological differences that are beyond hormone levels.
I agree with you. It's simply just not fair to the cis-women competing.
I got a serious question based on your comment athletes are all criticized and talked shit to attacks I agree with but if it's cool to insult Tim Tebow cause he's a Jesus freak or if it's cool to call LeBron dumb shit like leflop why can't we insult Lia equality is treating everyone the same and every other athlete in the world people for one reason or the other will find ways to insult so should we just not insult her because she's Trans and if so that's fine I just feel like there's this disconnect of the lgbt idea of equality and alot of others, and just in general when it comes to actual contact sports what level of shit talk is OK take the Nfl for example some players say the most hateful hurtful shit to throw the other person off their game. Shit in high school I knew plenty of white lineman who were great people who weren't racist but called black people the n word every Friday to get in their head so again with the equality thing when it comes to on court shit talking is everything fair game and equal or would that be a situation where equality isn't the goal but protection is. And I'd just like to say there's nothing wrong with either
@@DeShawnMcDonald I dont think its ok or mature to insult anyone be them from the left or the right wing. Insulting is what children do because they dont know how to handle a conflict. Adults should know more than resorting to childish acts.
@@rulerthelion860 and that's your opinion but insults have always been a part of sports should fans be able to scream the n or f word no of course not but creative shit talking that's part of sports and you can be unrealistic and say everyone should always be nice but we both know that's not how life works and if you know anything about sports at all its your team is cool and fuck everyone else if your a Philly fan and your at a home game you think it's fun to yell compliments at the other team, do you think they want to hear compliments no real fans wanna talk shit and real athletes wanna be the reason a stadium full of people are losing their minds. Shit talk is just part of sports culture and no ones feelings will ever change the fact people enjoy going to games and booing people they don't like and cheering the ones they do. But you didn't really answer my question as far as the shit talk goes what is acceptable is it equal and so long as no slurs are involved everything can fly or do you think Trans people would prefer protection at the cost of the sport. And you gotta think about this too more people watch sports to watch someone lose then win if people couldn't talk shit about Floyd Mayweather at his matches he wouldn't be rich today if protection is the choice which is fine wouldn't all that do long term is hurt the sport and that athlete since now all the people who would normally be tweeting about them shit talking them cause they are a fan of a different team or someone else is scared of seeming bigoted, all the people who are fans and would see the shit talk and would've become even bigger fans now have nothing to fan the flame it. Also from just a historical stand point don't you think as a community you have more to gain by just taking the joked even the f word ones then by not allowing them. Bill Russell did more for black people being accepted then most people will ever know and he did it while getting called the n word evert night and not being able to eat at the same restaurants as his fellow stars. He put a face to suffering many people in America didn't have a face to put on, not every person knew a black dude back then and same goes for now most people have never met a Trans and seeing one dominate sports the right way while being a champion for their community would bring way more people over to your side long term. And sorry for writing a book this is just a really interesting concept for me that I've never thought of I don't think many others have either.
Edit when I say right way I don't mean taking insults I mean playing against the competition that's most even to everyone involved
@@rulerthelion860 also I didn't mention anything about left wing or right wing this has nothing to do with politics
Its not transphobic to speak out about Lia Thomas being able to compete with biological women. What will happen to womens sports? Its okay to be transgender, but you have to admit that Lia Thomas has a clear biological muscular and down to her bone structure she has an advantage over the other women.
Honestly? Sure. But do we also ban cis women who are more muscular? Taller? Who have naturally higher testosterone? Should it solely be cis women of a relatively average height range, with typical musculature, with normal testosterone levels?
This is also a conversation to be had, then. Because there have been many cis women with natural-born advantages that have taken their titles and wins with them without a fuss. Even though realistically, they're particularly more advantaged than the majority of the other cis competitors. But this isn't and has never been a discussion. Although /some/ women _have_ been banned for high testosterone levels... and all of them have been black women. So that's also an interesting thing to note.
@@intheraeyne Have those muscular women compete Phelps then get to me . Major eye roll
@@beasmith3649 ......... You... cant compare Phelps to a trans woman....... There is literally no way a trans woman can ever win against Phelps, unless he's old and can't swim anymore. Fuck, most cis men cannot win against him. What was your point?? Hello?
Phelps is also leagues better than Lia. So where were you meant to be going with that? Major eye roll
@@intheraeyne I believe that Womens sports shouldnt be taken over by transwomen. Its okay to be trans, just be trans! Be proud of it. But its absolutely embarassing for Lia to stand there as the #1 spot with a smile on her face. You can't deny that Lia went from #400-something while competing against men, but once she transitioned she became #1, beating out even the #2 spots by more than 30 seconds? You have to be kidding to sit there and act like there isnt something wrong with Lia competing professionally - or even competing against women in college. Lia has just bumped a cis-woman from getting a scholarship for swimming. And theyre talking about how she broke records?? This is absolute madness.
I'm a cis-woman and this isn't right or fair to other women. Its like saying that even MEN are better at being women than women are!! Honestly its shocking how this is allowed to happen.
I think the persons point is what if Michael Phelps suddenly became trans and started competing against women? Womens swimming records would be done forever, nobody would be able to break them unless theyre another Trans-woman with the best ability to swim ever. THATS THE POINT THE PERSON IS MAKING THOUGH!! This is all just madness.
@@intheraeyne Nobody want's to ban women who are muscular, tall or have a higher testosterone, they are still bilogical women. These women who have higher testosterone levels still don't match the levels of transgender woman on hormones. Trans women still have way way more testosterone and mainly completley different body structure (not just they are muscular, but they are seriously built different, their muscles are different, they bones are differently shaped, their bloodvessels make their body more oxygenated for them to have more strenghts and speed....). It's like trying to see if a housecat can win over a lion. They are both cats but not the same at all since the purpose given to them by nature is different, just like men who's purpose was to hunt and women who's purpose was to care about children a shelter. Deviding sports on male and female is the least we can do to stay sane.
Lia already went through puberty as a man. Her lungs, and cardiovascular system are bigger. Just look at her compared to her fellow swimmers.
They did, she's not THAT much better than her fellow woman swimmers. In fact, as Samantha stated, the prior 7 years she would've lost with the same time she swam today. She is 9 secconds slower than the world reccord for women. If she was really THAT much faster, wouldn't she have swam some amazing time and crushed the compition? Right now, she just won, and really not by much.
@@SlothDaanHe still will take a place of a biological woman, be that 2nd, 3rd or 4th place...
@@SlothDaan The problem is that if Lia without estrogens! competed against other male swimmers, she lost a lot. There is also a whole screwed up family history if! my information is correct, about her brother being really good at swimming, better than her and unhealthy family dynamics ect.
In the girls competition she wins. And it is so so disheartening for girls and young women. You have no idea. I did lots of sports when I was younger as well and sometimes went to competitions. It would have been a big oof to try and compete against someone like Lia. No matter how much estrogen she takes, she has a biological advantage. She has more lung capacity, denser muscles, bigger heart, a male jumping bones ( sorry,not from an English speaking country, I mean the whole jumping aparatus in your foot ) which are built slightly different and stronger.
If you find a corpse and all that is left are the bones, you can clearly tell from a couple of bones if the person is XX or XY. Because from a biological standpoint there is a difference after puberty. It's just like that. So no it is not fair. And it happens in more and more competitions that transwomen come first and biological women after that. And we can't do anything about it. Our bodies have limits. So if someone tells us to just train more, we will not be able to overcome these limits.
I think Lia might be AGP or a transvestie actually. This could be wrong information, but she has a private Instagram and someone shared what she likes and it's a lot of BDSM and kink stuff like drawings of men with a boner in a dress and also apparently liked posts about violence against women. Could be AGP and a kink. She was also reported for flashing infront of the other girls in locker rooms and having her ding dong out and flapping around.....But the girls had basically been told to suck it up. A lot of things seem to be very sketchy with Lia. I have a very bad feeling about her.
He remember Lia is a 'he'
@@SlothDaan and he won because of all of his male advantages. Period. Dude couldn't have it as a man and took the easy route
Genuinely confused why biology is offensive. Is this not basic science regardless of gender identity?
Its not about denying science- its just basic respect
Are you going to go around saying “this cis man who is biologically a man” everytime you met a cis guy? No because its stupid
Just say “trans woman” or “trans man” people already know what these terms mean
@@Man-wolf- Your response has nothing to do with the written statement. Nobody gives a shit what trans people wanna be addressed as. We are talking about unfair biological competition. Have you ever watched a trans woman boxing a biological woman? Cringe af.
@@bigmizzymike That person wasn't even talking to you lol
As a man competing in women's sports I feel unsafe about men competing in womens sports
@@TheChlozie No kidding! What does that have to do with anything I said?? What tf is wrong with you guys??🤦🏾♂️
Yes, increased lung capacity doesn't help in athletic performance while swimming, that's a big brain take.
Not to mention massive shoulders and the wingspan of a teraodactyl
But did yall watch the video tho?
@@lithiumscience6861 yes, did you? because I'm pretty sure they said they weren't sure if increased lung capacity helps.
@@lithiumscience6861 yea we did 🙄
@@krs4395 She didn't even say anything about lung capacity lol
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? Lung capacity and stroke volume both substantially greater in men than women are at the very core of athletic performance.
Then why are almost all underwater performers cisgender women?
DiD yOu EvEn WaTcH tHe ViDiO!?
@@CrystalSki67 I stopped watching when he said "lung capacity whatever" because it demonstrated that not only does this narcissistic sociopath not understand the obvious differences between male and female musculature he doesn't understand a thing about physiology. There is no biological argument that supports men competing athletically against women. If you thoroughly twisted people would just be honest about it - that is - admit that it's unfair but you think men should be allowed to compete against women because said men are emotionally and mentally unstable and might off themselves if forced to face reality at least it we could respect you for being honest and work on a solution. But no, you're sociopathic, narcissists, and liars.
@@CrystalSki67 clearly they didnt. Transphobes and bigots cant be assed to educate themselves on their hateful ideologies.
Edit: Sam, I am waiting for your answer to this. I would even disclose my personal information to you to discuss this.
Edit 2: Sam, you do realize your lack of an answer to this topic effects the credibility of your entire video?
I am a competitive Olympic style weightlifter (not to be confused with an Olympian). The argument you put forth about Laurel Hubbard in the Olympics at 11:50 is missing so much critical context that this is either an intentional misrepresentation or a misunderstanding. I am inclined to believe it is the second because Olympic lifting is not a popular sport, so I will give this the benefit of the doubt, however, when you say "she didn't even win, hah, told you..." it makes me concerned that it may be the former.
First, Olympic lifting is highly technical. Obviously, when you go to a competition, you are going to be trying to lift 100% of your best lift if not greater. That being said EVERY athlete begins to miss at their personal relative 90% range. It is not uncommon for this to happen due to the dynamic nature of the lifts in, particularly the snatch, which is what Hubbard bombed out on (missed all three lifts). Generally, you do start out with a weight that you have made plenty of times in training, but it is still never any guarantee. If you so much as allow the bar to come out a half-inch away from your body at the start, it can cause a missed lift. So, that being said, the more proper metric here is what her starting weight was compared to other women. Remember, your starting weight is obviously a weight that you are capable of hitting.
Hubbard, started at 120, which is comparable to where the third place competitor, Sarah robles, started. Despite this, she took her next attempt at 125 and got it overhead and stood it up. It was only because 2/3 judges thought that she bent her arm while catching it overhead that this counted as a miss--in fact, a non-weightlifter would probably wonder why it did not count as a good lift. If she had technically made this lift, she would have beaten the 2nd place competitor in the snatch portion of the competition. She missed her 3rd attempt probably because she was tired--that happens, and 3rd attempt misses are VERY common. Because she did not make these lifts, however, she "bombed out" which means she does not get to compete in the clean and jerk portion.
As such, it was not because she did not have an advantage, it was only due to the nature of the sport and the fact that a miss could happen to anyone. It is important to note that she has successfully snatched 131kg in the past--9kg off of the gold medal position, which was won by a competitor from China who is known for using steroids with their weightlifters.
Second, she is not "just a really good weightlifter." Not to say she is bad, but pre-transition as a male competitor, her highest snatch was 135kg. Compare this number to the lowest number from the male category in the Olympics of a comparable weight--172kg. That is a massive difference in the world of weightlifting, and she would not have ever made the Olympics as a male.
Finally, she was much older (44) than most Olympic competitors. In the sport of Olympic weightlifting, males are typically "on the back end" by the late 20s or early 30s with some exceptions. Generally, your "prime years" are your late teens to early 20s. I am not as well versed on the women's ages, but she was almost 14 years older than every Olympic competitor in Tokyo. For context, compare Hubbard’s best snatch in the open category (131kg) to the world record womens snatch in the dedicated 40-44 age category (77kg)-Hubbard is lifting 54kg heavier than the world record holder in the dedicated 40-44 Y/O category.
While I am inclined to believe that this is simply due to not being educated on a relatively obscure sport, the fact of the matter is Laurel Hubbard did retain a significant advantage and was extraordinarily unlikely to ever make the Olympics as a male. Perhaps the ethics of the situation still mandate that she be able to compete despite such an advantage; perhaps we put too much value on sports. Those are not questions that I can answer. However, if you are going to try to use this as an example as a "smoking gun," you have an obligation to get the facts right. Especially if at other points of the video you’re going to be saying things like “it’s purposefully unrepresentative” or “the numbers don’t lie,” (13:40). And even more so if you’re going to use this as support for your point that the Virginia Tech swimmer lost because she wasn’t fast enough.
A 44 year old trans woman can compete against the best females in the world. Whereas he wouldn't sniff a trial amongst the men because he is too old. Just biology. Great explanation
@@adnankassem8114 I will disclaim that I am not commenting on the ETHICAL debate. Maybe we put too much value on sports and in a perfect world no one would care if trans women competed because there’s not as much on the line.
But if you’re going to throw out buzz phrases like “it’s science” in front of half a million subscribers, you should get the facts right of one of your examples.
@@JK-ts1bl "Maybe we put too much value on sports and in a perfect world no one would care if trans women competed because there’s not as much on the line. "
Scholarships, career, sponsorship, endorsement and so on
no one cares about transgender in individual sports, because dingus like you will obviously remind everyone their accomplishment was 'due to being transgender'. the closest sport to having a say is fighting, and their opinion is bring it on. no one cares about weight lifting, because a transgender weightlifter will categorically be remembered for their records as a transgender person, and not a cisgender person. being transgender is extremely marginalizing, if they're a weightlifter, that's probably like their 1 thing. just let them be.
I feel this was more detail than needed and I don’t think it’s far to say this alone means there is a large advantage. Yes Sam should have looked into this before talking about it but after reading the entirety of this comment I think it sounds like a good argument for why the wait period went to 3 years instead of 1 year.
How can you be so out of touch with reality...
Their whole identity is out of touch with reality. Imagine having to pretend to be a woman every single day and act all phony and stuff.
what do you expect, she never played sports in her life, she cant possibly understand, this is no different than putting Adults against elementary school students in sports.
If one day Lia Thomas dated a girl, would you call them lesbian?
@@hisham031170 I heard on craine and co that apparently Thomas (I will not call him by his girl name) is dating a biological man who also is transitioning and they "identify" as a lesbian couple. god can you imagine what goes on in that bedroom? pure horror
@@skeetrix5577 It’s “gay” 😂
"I don't think everyone who has an issue with trans women competing in women's sports is inherently transphobic"
*blatantly slanders and namecalls anyone who dares to question Lia Thomas being allowed to compete*
Well, do you deny that transgender people are valid? That's pretty transphobic, if you ask me
@@technoloverish did I deny that in my comment, or are you just projecting? 🤔
@@sava-k-mus
Most people who oppose transgender women competing in women's sports believe transgender women are just crossdressing men, but that might not be true for you
@@technoloverish its a legitimate concern; I think there's a big difference between someone who understands Lia's obvious advantage and is uncomfortable with it, and someone who arbitrarily hates all trans people for no reason
@@sava-k-mus sounds like you're the one confused 😕
You showed how Lia Thomas’s fastest time swimming placing #2 regionally is 20 seconds faster than what she got to win 1st place nationally. Her 2nd place regionally wasn’t even the fastest regionally in men’s…. #462 sounds pretty accurate in national ranking.. and you’re proving a point by saying even her slowest time is fast enough to win #1 nationally. Yet her regional in men’s was faster and wasn’t even #1
Yeah my first thought was , isn’t the fact that she got slower but still won first evidence she has advantage.
The fact you two think someone can literally swim on the mens team then immediately switch to the womens team with longer hair and call him a her is pretty funny.
he was holding back
@@Jared-tc1qt I don’t think anyone said immediately but you….
Lia ranked 461 as a man.
the weapon these people uses to escape from truth is the phrase
"That's transphobic"
Hey, it's worked for years
You claimed transamen are winning, you made notes and yet you couldnt name one. Can you name one trans man that has won a sport that requires physicality?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Manuel
@@blackmadonnademigoddess Fair enough, but the difference is still very clear. You have to comb the entire internet to barely find an unconvincing win. Meanwhile transwomen are breaking records(and skulls) in all sorts of sports.
@@blackmadonnademigoddess it says he was female amateur boxing champion
@@blackmadonnademigoddess this is dangerous info. This person isn't fighting actual pros. This woman would get destroyed by any good male fighter
He can’t.
How is referencing someone's trans status and sex transphobic?
Just you wait, if this thing goes on further and people give them more ground, eventually even the word "trans" will be banned. Their ultimate goal is to erase any distinction between a trans woman and an actual born woman. If you don't believe me look at how much Samantha says "as a male" when referring to Lia, as if she's not still male now. Look at the disdain when she says "real women". She's really pissed that real women are viewed as more womanly than her. And even going as far as to say "you cannot call us biological boys or even biological males, you're a transphobe and you will be treated as such". The story of the Irish teacher being jailed for misgendering a student is fresh. That's what Samantha wishes would happen to transphobes when she says "treated as such".
Just bc trans women don’t always win doesn’t inherently mean that the advantage isn’t still there lol there’s also general skill level that goes into it. My thing is this, as a trans woman myself, I would feel so uncomfortable knowing that SIXTEEN biological women on my team were uncomfortable enough to ban together and write a letter about it, to ever continue doing it at all. It’s just not right. There is a biological advantage period. Not always but that doesn’t erase the instances when there is advantage there. I’m sick of trans women coming into traditionally biological female spaces and acting so entitled without acknowledging the clear differences between t girls and bio. It’s just crazy to me.
👏🏼thank you
It's not so black and white tbh. We need to separate athletes by ability not gender. I'm like 5'2" and super skinny and I couldn't compete against anyone professionally 😅 I'm also a trans woman
@@tati-anaroseee4316 So have 5’6 basketball players playing against 5’6 basketball players ? Lol
@@ThanosDidTheRightThing well basically all of your athletic things would be measured on a scale of 1-10 and there would be ranges of points for different levels of competition. So yes sort of what you said but more complicated 😅
@@tati-anaroseee4316 You understand that at the highest levels that results in male only spaces like the NBA and NFL right ?
Facts are not manipulation. Not surprising someone so confused would think this
I don’t think she’s calling the facts manipulative just the narrative being put behind the facts to make it seem like the trans athlete only transitioned for the sole purpose of beating women in sports.
@Jess fair enough except where it has already happened more than once where a person did "transition" simply to win. The fighter Fallon something and just a few days ago a weight lifter set records that born women will NEVER break. Some narratives are real.
@@jtallday31source?
In the context of sport, it's important to note that the "woman" is actually a biological man. Sorry if that bothers you. Reality is tough.
a trans woman is a biological man and everyone knows that so by specifically calling a trans woman a biological male just to be transphobic instead of just calling them a trans women which would have the same meaning its said specifically to be disrespectful, which is reality...
I honestly wish you had a different pov, but ah well. So sad that alot of transwomen dont see the bullshit behind this. And we are always labeled transphobic.
I think there are a lot who know but don't care because muh oppression.
Im gay but I agree.. I mean if were talking about pageantry, I think its okay because they measure you by the way you carry yourself and the way you think.. however in sports I dont think its fair.. plus Lia still have a body of a dude, I mean if you take her hair off, she'll be guy again.. the difference between her body and the other girls are obvious.
It's trans women, not transwomen.
What bulllshit? It isn't like transwomen are dominating women's sports and always winning. Samantha even pointed that out
They label it as transphobic because what they are saying is misogynistic.
Would it be transphobic to just say “male”?
People usually prefer the phrase AMAB (assigned male at birth), just to distinguish that you acknowledge their gender is different from what they were born as. Just saying 'male' kinda blends them with cis men, and that is not good, nor really accurate.
@@blobbita it was a rhetorical question but thank you so much for taking the time to respond 😚♥️ it’s perfectly accurate to say that trans women are male, if they weren’t male they wouldn’t be trans, saying they’re not male is trans erasure. ✌️♥️
@@blobbita Nobody is assigned anything, sex is recorded at birth and even before that with modern technology. I do not acknowledge a gender different from sex, I don't think we have a "gendered soul" that inhabits a body with a certain sex, that is ludicrous. Also, I don't think I need a special name just because I don't have mental health and identity issues.
Yes because it’s unnecessary.
No make sure you add biological tho 💀
You can see lia holding back in races. Ive got nothing against trans people, but being called a transphobe doesn't bother me at all because its meaningless. Name some trans men winning sports?
Absolutely ridiculous to say the women just aren't working hard enough. I would say you are a misoginist.
She is just a pick me.
@@weywey415 How?
He is a man though.Makes sense.
@@frogloki882 Who is?
@@L.Fenton samanth lux
Her logic doesn't hold up scientifically.
Aight so I'm a transphobe then, got it 🤨
Yep probably 99.9% of people on earth by that logic. Ridic
I am proud to be one
So am I, I guess. Meh.
She went from 48 to number 1, nah I guess I'm transphobic now too. That makes sense now
@@almamater489 went from 453 to 1
It would be refreshing if you didn't frame every issue raised as 'transphobic'. Sometimes people have concerns in good faith. You are also wrong here but reading the comments it appears most people can see that.
No. You are wrong. Read the comments. People are using insults
I disagree with the points she made about the numbers and athletic performance, but the points about the language used were very much true. If people wish to be respectful and accepting, and want to criticise the way of trans in sports, they should learn to use proper vocabulary. Theres gotta be some respect for the person in your heart when you are talking about them, especially when its critical.
Saying 'biological man' or 'biological male' ignores the current womanhood of the trans woman. Assigned male at birth (AMAB) is more accurate and respectful. I know that the word "transphobic" is a buzzword at this point, but most of the time what people mean by saying it is, that it sounds ignorant, disrespectful and hurtful. It is up to the person to decide whether they accept that information and change, or stay the same way they were.
Actually 'biological Male' is accurate. Lia Thomas still has all the advantages of his Male body. He just self-ID as a woman now, he was tired of losing. Dude is a mediocre Male swimmer.
@@itsbeyondme5560 Boohoo? Get rekt?
@@networknomad5600 yes boo hoo freak
i’m not against Lia or any gender, but i can’t understand why people think this is fair.
Do you really think she's doing so well only because of her birth sex? Or have you forgotten that she's generally very talented
@@trixicenby999 why do you think women have their own sports and men have their own?….why aren’t they just mixed together?
@@Realistic316 You are forgetting that she's taking estrogen and testestorone reducing medicine
@@trixicenby999 lol, that doesn’t remove it…it just reduces it…she’s still stronger than most women…it’s just science….
@@Realistic316 The same can be said for big and strong cis women too
the problem with “trans people in sport” debate. It’s less about how fair it is or how can issue be solved. It is always fuel for transphobic agenda. It is never healthy discussion
I suppose we shouldn’t use gender terms like biological boys or biological men but instead we should say biological males. That being said, I don’t think it’s necessarily transphobic to make this distinction, especially during a discussion like this in particular.
You can just call them trans women.
In my own opinion it's still transphobic, because it's referring to a trans person only as their biological sex at birth rather than acknowledging their gender. It's like how calling cis women "females" is misogynistic. People are more than their biological sex (which even then, is always far more complicated than people like to claim it is), and they should be treated as such no matter what their gender identity is and how it differs from their birth sex.
@@ameliasellers6396 🤦🤦
@@ameliasellers6396 Your definition of transphobia makes reality itself 'transphobic'.
@@ameliasellers6396 if you are a biological male you have an unfair advantage against biological females. That is not an opinion it is a fact. It’s not transphobic either. You can choose to value inclusion over fairness if you want but that’s the argument, not if it’s fair. It’s not fair, fact
So basically Samantha Lux is saying that we should only care about how Lia Thomas feels; and not different women that he cheated out of a scholarship or position in the championships due to being a biological male(thus having biological advantage). This is the kind of narcissist behavior trans people tend to exemplify. "Oh he did what the NCAA rules said". Ok, so obviously the rules aren't perfect and the NCAA is a sell out. That's why people are angry at both the NCAA and Lia Thomas for cheating these women out of their own sport.
This is why I can’t stand trans like Samantha. They don’t care about biological rights, just their rights. I wish these girls would boycott against these trans women and not compete against Thomas or any trans men. It worked just recently this week in Great Britain where biological female cyclists threatened to pull out of the National Omnium Championship if the governing body of the Union Cyclist International doesn’t remove trans woman Emily Bridge from tomorrow’s race. The UCI banned Bridges from competing against biological women this weekend and I am so happy that those biological women stood up for themselves and put their foot down and told the UCI that if they allow a man to compete against them, they will not compete at all. The UCI will lose so much money and viewership from a boycott. I wish our girls here in America would stand up against the NCAA and tell them if they continue to allow men to compete against them, they will no longer participate in any events. This madness of allowing men to compete against our girls has to stop. I don’t want my future daughters to worry about competing with boys and having a boys in their locker rooms. #protectwomenssport #savewomenssports 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
this may have had some points if you were to not misgender lia thomas
@@eggchomp If thats how you base your facts; on how I play play pretend. Then no wonder we are headed this direction in the first place. Why should I call him a "she". Looks like a he. For someone who lives in reality; I'd be more inclined to call Samantha a "she". Not a dude in a one piece swimsuit with his hair grown out.
@@justinholloway5210 it’s just basic respect. if i saw someone and called them a he, and was corrected by them i would use whatever pronouns they told me. if you KNOW what she goes by, what’s the issue with using she/her?
@@eggchomp because its perpetuates the issue we are experiencing right now. Where they conflate "gender ideology" with sex. When you call someone that still looks like a man(and is a man) a she.
Take a shot every time they say "transphobic".
Il need a few more livers
Nah, I'd end up with alcohol posining.
Sounds like a good start to a session 😅
Once a boy goes through puberty the advantages can't be undone ever.
There's a difference between a fair and unfair advantage.If someone just happens to have longer legs or arms, that's a fair advantage. If someone has an advantage because of their gender, then it's an unfair advantage. Males are usually stronger than females in sports, that's the reason they are seperated in the first place. If a biological male decides to transition after puberty and play against women, that is an obviously an unfair advantage. They have already gotten the muscle, bone mass, height, larger lung capacity from puberty and it's almost impossible to reverse them by transitioning.
Identifying as another gender is fine but they are not in a level playing field against biological gender.
They only time I'd be fine with trans competing against biological gender is if they completely medically transition before puberty with puberty blockers and all.
Now I would suggest a seperate category for trans people, there already seem to be enough to make a seperate category.
Muscle atrophy reaches a point where muscle mass is roughly the same as females by like 9 months on hormones on average, bone mass isn't very useful when you're swimming, all that does is give her more weight to move, meaning she needs to develop more muscle. Height can be affected by hrt, people have reported up to a loss of 4 inches in height. I'm not sure about the lung capacity, I didn't even know that was a thing but seeing as torso's typically become smaller(Ignoring boobs) on hormones the lung capacity probably goes down too(?).
Vagrant… the level of ignorance in your comment is mind blowing. There is a reason why women are not playing in the NBA or NFL. It has nothing to do with choice and everything to do with biology. Bone structure matters because shoulder width and bone length gives a massive advantage. Notice how she looks like male swimmers? Notice how almost all elite male swimmers have the same frame? There is a reason for that. Also she has bigger lungs because of her male body and she can carry more oxygen in her blood because of her male body. There is a reason why she ranked 462 as a male and 1 as a female
@@Dodgers-sw2uk The 462 was her ranking when she was already on hormones for a year she came 7th the year before that. Yes she seems to have an advantage because she's amab but what I said is all just true. Source: I'm trans I know what the hormones I'm taking can and can't do. The advantage is not as extreme as media are making it out to be though, she jumped from 7th to 1st over the course of like 4 years, the dip to 462nd wasn't because she was suddenly bad at swimming it's because she was disadvantaged by being on HRT for an extended period.
@@mandalorkayla8001 More Plates More Dates Long-Awaited Report Reveals If Trans Athletes Have An Unfair Advantage Or Not
@@mandalorkayla8001 The reported lost in height from HRT are mostly anecdotal and at best a inch or two. At the highest levels, men absolutely have a major advantage over women. Believe it or not, leagues like the NBA are already gender neutral and allow women to compete.
22:22 This is actually how all learning works! You're wrong about something and then somebody or something corrects you, and so you win, because you're now one step closer to the truth than you were before.
And yes, being able to correct your prior errors is always a win. We should cheer people on when this happens, not make fun of them.
She flaunted about being a journalist and having the facts before that though... We don't need to praise people for admitting they're morons, and we should hold journalists to higher standards if anybody else...
Kids, I tell you. I'm Trans and it's annoying that they feel that their opinions are clearly smarter than grown adults. It's not transphobic to acknowledge we were born male. That's called being a biological male. It's honestly the Trans community that has made it so hard for me to come out. Kid you don't know anything about athletics. Peace, love, and grow up.
Many insist that they've been female their entire lives but were mistakenly born with male genitals!
That’s why the transexual community is parting ways from transgenders. We respect our elders on these topics
@@mypimpeador They're both in the LGBTQ category.
Not only that just about EVERYTHING that comes out of your mouth ain't even true. Come back to reality please. Blair White is one of the few trans person that actually makes any sense these days & doesn't constantly lie/deny reality to prove their point.
💯 % . Samantha is full of shit and apparently the truth is "transphobic". How is saying biological male transphobic... ITS THE TRUTH! If these trans women weren't bio males.. they wouldn't be trans.
"Swimming is for people too lazy to bath after exercising"? 🤔 was that supposed to be a joke or funny? Because MILLIONS of people swim at the beach or pools every summer dude.... weak joke if it were one 🤨
And, it's like, have you ever went swimming? Who wants to smell like chlorine all day? Like, I don't know if a single pool that I've been to that doesn't include showers. Ideally, people should shower both before and after to keep the pools clean, but how many people actually do that?
@@flashthompson6566 If you have ever swam in a public pool, you have been in pee pee water. That's why a shower is so important.
I also dont see how its lazier to swim lol it takes more effort to swim than stand/lay in a shower or bath
I used to hang out with swcc's(special warfare combative craft crewmen) and they spent days being thrashed in the ocean and no baths in that time for them. I thought about trying out for bcs at one point but I guess I enjoy a bath lol.
He was joking.... I don't really like the guy but it was pretty obvious...
Why is “biological male” transphobic? Serious question
biological male isn't consistent with the most common causes of transgender women. So like, for example, I have XY chromosome, and was born with male genitals, but I was born at 5 months and obviously underdeveloped. People start as females and develop into males in the womb, it's really important for that process to go correctly to become a male, and something like premature birth, can obviously mess that up quickly. And so at the surface its actually inaccurate, and beneath that it's popular for people to use this term anyway as a slant despite not all people meaning that, when biological male suggests generally a perfect pregnancy, and not everyone is as fortunate as that. biologically, you could call me male; based off the definition of what a lot of people find common, but in reality, males have already once transition from a female framework while they developed, and that can much more easily mess up than they like to admit. being male means you have officially gone from Charmander, to Charizard. If someone is cut short in that process, you can't blame them for not being Charizard. It can probably mess up during puberty too. I think genetic male is maybe more accurate, but it's still not really accurate enough to constitute, probably just say transwoman, shouldn't compete against women lol. they're not biological males. I doubt most people that say 'biological male' are meaning to be offensive, it's select few that actually know the difference. it's obvious what they're meaning to say.
@@mackenzied.9912 people don't start as females, this is just nonsence that i see so many people being confused about it's ridiculous. People start as fetuses with predetmined sex. The one sperm literally carries the chromosome you are going to be so it's certain from the start for the fetus. The genitals develop later, but they are NOT female at the start. It's a fetus genital (something completley different to male and female) which has the possibility to go male or female and when they get the impulse to start developing, they recognize the chromosome the sperm brought and so by that.
@@oxid71 but we literally do while we're developing it's why men have nips lmao
People's delusions are being embraced Instead of being treated, this country isn't going to last another hundred years 🤦🏿♂️
Agree, ignorance, greed and perverted interpretations of Christian ideals are the biggest enemy of humane civilized society, our own inhumanity to fellow humans, hate is a disease.
Agreed Religion should stop to have that much influence on education and politica✊🏻😤
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@@notannie4798 lmao, this gender crap is literally a cult
It's hilarious that Matt Walsh's "What is a woman?" is being advertised on this video. lol
Gotta ask that question around the people that need to question it themselves the most to try to get them back to thinking for themselves!
He's literally stealing awards from women. Isn't that being cisphobic?
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"Cisphobic" lmao
@@kothepowcardfan11 thats what i said
source?
@@thatalternativechick6265 u can just watch the video
He got SO close to saying the quiet part out loud. The quiet part being "I don't give a shit about Women's sports I just hate Trans Women
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Lol you guys are saying the "I hate women" part very loud. Especially when you are disrespecting their records and achievements with a disproportionately successful trans athlete.
@@user-fb1vm4uo1u where? Where is the disproportionate success??? She made many points in this video about how this is the first of many Trans Women to compete but only the first to win. You clearly didn't watch. Watch the video then you'll get it. Idk why tf you would think that I hate Women. I love Women. I love ALL Women the same.
@@user-fb1vm4uo1u she won by 0.2s in that race...no transgender athlete has won an Olympic medal in the 16 years they've been allowed to compete. So where are they erasing records?
@JAB00Z dude no one cares that you pink womanhood to genitals. Get a life.
Female are male bodies only different is not hormones. Testesterone is not the only difference between females and males. Hormone therapy or not, there is such a big biological difference
Women do have Testosterone babe
@@marcoamore927 yes they do. But thinking that taking estrogen makes you a women is insane. The gender you are is in every fiber of your being, bone structure etc. Noone can become the opposite sex. That's a lie
@@Mscugu babe we got the same bones, heart and cell. If you want to give so much relevancy to reproductive organs, why then intersex people are considered anomalies and not human nature?
Science is not 100% truth but a human discipline, therefore is biased and embodies the heteronormative and patriarchal world. Only 2 centuries ago , science was used to justify racism by sustaining that noses, teeth and other physical features were signs of pre-evolution and being inferior.
theres also a huge biological difference between every cis women. If a cis woman just hapoened to be born with advantages that have nothing to do with testosterone should she now be banned from womens sports cause shes just too good? then whats the point in sports anymore? isnt it to find the person whos best in specific sports? Or is it finding the one whos the best in the most average way depending on their gender?
So all the work that feminist put in to have women sporting competitions, gets to be made a laughing stock by some dude who thinks he's a woman? The trans movement is vile.
The people who make the rules finally decided to ban trans-men who transitioned after puberty from competing in elite women swimming competitions. Lia Thomas' career is over.
Well I'd hope trans men who've transitioned don't compete in women's sports :]
I strongly disagree...I think Lia Thomas' attitude is VERY narcisstic and misogynistic...Lia clearly is unapologetic about winning and "not winning by much," is still winning...NOT okay! Only women belong in women sports...
And trans women are women so where the point?
@@MoonAaliyahh No, they're not.
@@rasputjen yes we are 😂
@@MoonAaliyahh Well that's where we have to disagree...and I have the Truth on my side. And I am sorry to sound intolerable, bc I am not...I am the LAST person who would ever show you disrespect or even give you a second look, except a friendly and accepting smile...But women are about a LOT more than a man could ever know, much less become...We certainly are not just about breasts and a vagina and makeup, etc...So, please, it is very wrong for you to claim you are me when you're not...That is no different than a White woman claiming to be Black...Please stop. You are hurting women...We need our strength in numbers and we also don't need to be bickering about this...What you need, I suspect, is respect and acceptance and I am sorry our society sucks and hasn't given you that...But you cannot just change the facts bc of it. We have to work hard on society and enlighten them on kindness and acceptance. This is NOT the way.
@@rasputjen this is the same mentality white women used to belittle black women. Their is no way to act like a black women their can be ghetto white women. This notion that white women act black means you have to asimílate black women to ghetto which we are not thank you very much. This mentality simply strikes from white supremacy you say you have the truth yet you hold on the the white mans ideology. You say a woman is more then her genitals, breast and make up yet when it comes to trans women you guys switch up and point out these things. I’m sorry but you will continue to contradict yourself wether you believe it or not. It’s time women disconnect from the white cishet mentality. When that happens is when true acceptance can happen and trans women and cis women can co exist since we’re all women just different types of women. And the way you can’t see that this is the same way black women have always been talked down upon by white women I don’t know what to tell you. You’re so close to it yet so far at the same time. Trans liberation is women liberation. The day trans women are fully accepted is the day that cis women will be truly free from the white mans clutches. When we stop diluting the definition of a woman to genitals and organs is when women will be truly free. Trans women have never seen a woman to simply just carry a child or wear make up, wear a dress, trans women are far from those gender norms. We are women. Their is no other identity for us. That’s all I can say to you sis.
the thing too is that USA swimming's guidelines for testosterone levels are much more strict, the NCAAs just decided to go against it and make their own rules. swimming and female sports in general arent gonna disappear, its up to the organizations themselves to make/change rules. i write this comment as a cis-female competitive swimmer. btw.
Not true. The ncaa allowed the individual sports governing bodies to come up with new much stricter rules which will be in effect with the new season. Granted that the old rule was unfair to women but It would be even more unfair for them to make a rule change mid season. There are no instances in sport where the rules are changed during the game based on undesirable outcomes. It's just a basic unspoken rule of sports and life in general
@@amyh3873 maybe what i said came off wrong, NCAA and USA swimming are 2 separate bodies. USA swimming has had these rules in place since the beginning of the season, the NCAA has had their rules in play since the beginning of the season.
The problem is there are only so many things they can control for- but trans women retain the benefits of increased height, lung capacity and most importantly years and years (the most important athletic years of their lives) as men. It would be like allowing certain women to train for years on ultra steroids and then letting them compete after being off for a while. It just isn’t fair. As an athlete you have to know that. Male bodies are just different. I was a college runner and I can say that 99% of the ppl arguing for trans inclusion are NOT athletes. They just don’t understand how big the sex differences are bc they haven’t trained for years or competed recreationally against men.
@@amandamcgovern5744 yeah, i 100% agree, i dont think transgender women should be able to swim against cis women at all. especially since lia had only started transitioning when she was what, 19? if i had to swim against guys, i just wouldnt swim. but in the argument as a whole, some people need to take into account certain situations and be a bit more civil about how they argue their side
@@amandamcgovern5744 why do you view men as these super human figures? What about transwomen who undergo puberty? Whay you are talking about is super exclsionary for such a small fraction of the population (less than 1%; even smaller for competitive athletes). Or would you prefer to force trans men to come and compete in the womens divisions and win all the medals/titles?
Either way so what if one or two trans person wins a medal? None have really won much and let alone broken records. They've been allowed to compete on an Olympic level for the past 16 years and not on trans woman had brought back a medal/title. I think you just making mountains out of mole hills tbh.
The guy says “Swimming is for people too lazy to bathe after exercising.” What a way to complete a rant of ignorance about trans issues - by topping it off with a dose of ignorance about swimming as well. I can tell you - I was a swimmer in High School and before that too - and after EVERY workout - the first thing we all did was HIT THE SHOWERS. (EDIT: And yes -- I KNOW that the ignorant statement in question was labeled as a “joke” on a show that is tagged as “comedy” -- but calling a humongously stopid comment a joke does not MAKE it a joke. Had to edit this point into my original comment because I am just EXASPERATED at all those who respond telling me that the guy was “just making a joke”.)
Don't worry, I don't think that anyone else thinks that about swimmers
I think he was trying to make a joke, just not a very funny one. (Swimming takes a LOT of energy.)
Issa joke tho lol
He's a comedian. Not a good one hence the newscaster angle but he's still gonna say anything to get a laugh from his audience. His show is about making funny of the news.
My siblings and I used to compete and we all showered more thoroughly than normal after swim practice and meets than usual. That sir really does not know shit
Samantha Lux if trans men are winning and losing titles and competitions as often as other biological men... why not actually name AT LEAST one of them?
"Swimming is for people who are too lazy to bathe after exercise." Do...sir do you not have a shower after spending hours swimming around in a PUBLIC pool????? Fucking eww!! 🤢🤮
Forget the germs, the chlorine alone is need enough for a shower or at least a rinse off lmao
@@pineabblehead2486 the chlorine in tap water and in swimming pools is bad for us. It is absorbed into our bodies and kills good bacteria
@@pineabblehead2486 chlorine can also dry out certain people's skin, and even if not, its good to rinse it off
It's a radical thought I know, but he might have been joking.
@@_Sakidora_ ...Even more radical thought, so was I? 😂
She was a top swimmer in the men's rankings, they always quote the last races she swam in the men's after already taking estrogen for a long while.
The girl who complains about missing the cut off was literally like 17th place or something. Where's her complaints about the other competitors? Wait, she's just transphobic.
17th is the cut off from top 16, meaning you make finals at NCAAs and earn honorable mention all American. Her other competitors didn’t have an unfair advantage
common sense and u’ll get ur answer
@@xxTH3EMPIRExx she has outrage over 1 person when there's 15 others who were better than her as well.
@@harleyquinn8D the 15 others didn’t have an unfair advantage…that is her concern.
Missing the cut by a male ranking 400 something in the male category. You’re not very smart, are you?
as a swimmer on hiatus at the moment, i would have been in the top 5 in certain events for girls in my state while in the mens section I couldn't even qualify for the state championships. And this was when i was 13 competing in the 13-14 age group. Biological males keep improving in swimming to adulthood while biological females tapere out at the age of 13 usually. of course there are exceptions though
From what I’ve heard muscle mass doesn’t decrease “dramatically” it tends to decrease at most 7-10%.
Haven't you noticed that people never fail to mentions trans women's wins but somehow always fail to mention their losses ?
Can you point to where a trans woman has move from the male league to the female league and gone down in rankings? (I’ve literally never come across this happening so would be curious if it has)
@@Bringon-dw8dx could you name any womens athlete that isnt olympia level? Maybe multiple?
@@Bringon-dw8dx Look up Lia's stats before and after transition.
@@translivesmatter9063 I did, she improved in every single swim style she was in
@@illuminatidorito3701 guess you don’t want golf or tennis huh?
Just because you describe something as transphobic doesn't mean it is.
and just because you say its not transphobic, doesnt mean it isnt
Yes, it does. Just because you're offended somehow doesn't make it not true.
To me, this whole debate is just plain stupid. Sport is divided into male/female based on sex and not gender, so how do you even try to get around that fact?
but if she was just good at swimming, why was she so bad swimming against men.
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@@translivesmatter9063 define it then💀💀💀
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@@drophat Adult Human Female. That also includes transgender women by the definition clown. And what does the skulls even refer to? Remember, I'm older than you and don't know all the Emoji lingo.
I have listened to the heated debate with strong emotions on both sides and still lean toward the opinion that transwomen retain some advantage in many but probably not all cases. And Samantha, making the olympic team is dominating the competition regardless of performance at that ultra elite level.
At one point one of the best athletes in the entire world, male or female, was a trans women. Who competed and dominated against men. And we forget this because "she" wasn't "trans" at the time.
I know people have opinions about Caitlyn Jenner. But she is a trans women, she was always a trans woman. And her accomplishments in sports should be credited to her as a trans women to inspire other trans women athletes about what they can accomplish. But because she competed as "Bruce" and was in the closet, none of that gets credited to her as a trans women the way it should. And she's not even known for her athletic accomplishments anymore.
We still live in a society that associates "feminine" men as being physically weaker. And pre transition trans women aren't any exception. The same people saying they aren't "real women" don't actually see them as "real men" either because "real men" are masculine, and being masculine makes you stronger.
The message an openly trans women who's putting off their transition to compete and dominate against men in male sports could be huge and significant in its own right for how society looks at gender conformity and sports. If Caitlyn Jenner got to stand a d receive her gold metals as Caitlyn, and not "Bruce", could you imagine the kind of message that would send to the world about true strength?
My question is: How do you feel about Usain Bolt being able to compete?
The problem with the argument about biological advantages is where do you draw the line?
At which point do we stop telling people they can't compete because of advantages they have?
@@Jbs6187 No, it really isn't. What is disingenuous is the way you go about calling trans women men. You do that to intentionally give the idea that someone on the same level as a man with testosterone currently in their bloodstream at higher levels is competing with women.
If we start banning people because of advantages or perceived advantages, where do we draw the line?
Usain Bolt is pretty genetically gifted (though you can't discount his work ethic). Though he is retired, one could (and reasonably so) argue that his advantages were unfair, so he shouldn't have been able to compete.
Should we draw the line there? How about people who have asthma? Pretty sure everyone who isn't asthmatic has an advantage, should we just ban everyone who isn't asthmatic?
It is a slippery slope, once you start banning people for advantages/perceived advantages, when can you realistically stop?
@@Jbs6187 No, you refuse to look at the big picture because you are closed minded. None of my arguments have been made in bad faith.
You argue against the rules set in place by the professionals, you look the other way when trans women underperform in favour of focusing on the women who do perform well.
That is disingenuous. You fail to see that what you wish to do is create a precedent for banning people viewed as having an advantage.
If you think it won't, then it is you who is delusional.
Except Lia isn't dominating the competition and she hasn't made the Olympic team. She didn't break any records set by cis women at the meet, and she was in two other races, the 200 Free and the 100 Free, both of which she didn't win. She tied for fifth in the 200 Free and came in eight in the 100 Free. If she were dominating, she would have swept all her races.
This video did not age well since the overwhelming evidence since this posting has many trans people agreeing that it is unfair
I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. However a few things to challenge you on:
-The authenticity of her men's ranking, and the authenticity of her women's ranking. From what I have read up on her, there is a noticeable placement improvement overall by switching divisions. Comparing her times doesn't assess or explain the reason why her rankings improved by switching divisions even if the margin of improvement was smaller than depicted.
-It is unreasonable to compare her times to the fastest possible/record holding times. I see the intention of your argument but it brings it to an extreme to imply that for one to have an advantage it needs to be above and beyond exceptional records such as fastest of all time. What is needed is to see ranking changes between those who have performed in one division then switched to another and how those rankings compare statistically overall. Scrutinizing a time saying it's "slower" is like saying they're not #1 so its not a valid argument. They could very well still be performing better overall despite not ranking. A counter argument could very well be, well if she is still slower in the women's, would she even be competitive in the mens?
-Lung capacity, bone density, muscle fiber count don't guarantee performance advantage, but they sure provide potential for improvement over someone who is not as endowed in those categories. In swimming for sure, lung capacity plays a huge role as it is a full body exercise, as well as cardiovascular endurance which relies on oxygenation to all muscle tissues. Better lungs, better perfusion, better oxygenation, longer endurance, better performance.
-Hormone augmentation is a slow and fickle process. Physiological changes don't change quickly, it takes years to manifest, to counteract decades of hormonal conditioning and development. One year, as well as competing against men as a man in the past could very well allow those advantages despite hormone levels, to carry over and persist even after thorough transitioning for years.
-There is a definitive performance difference between some men and womens divisions. Refer to U15 Dallas Boys soccer team VS USA national womens national team game. That's 15 year old boys against fully grown womens professional soccer team training their whole life. And while the exact advantages can't be definitively delineated, this is seen in many other types of sports as well in other areas for different reasons. This parallels here that while yes, Lia Thomas might not be champion or breaking world records, the argument lies in whether her improvement in ranking is real, and whether or not it is because of the division change. Despite it not being as influential as someone who is clearly breaking the records, and outperforming by large margins, doesn't mean its fair and not relevant.
-Why is it necessary that an obvious, prominent and incomparable case of domination needs to happen first to then prove that an advantage is very likely? This isn't the only example of rank improvement either, Laural Hubbard just to list one. One can always cast shadows of a doubt to the reason behind anything, but that doesn't disprove the argument at hand. It just says there are exceptions to everything.
Exactly
The main argument to challenge is if trans women have a significant enough advantage to “damage the integrity of women’s sports”. My take is that people with natural advantages will always exist. Michael Phelps is a biological freak of nature (in a good way) when it comes to swimming, yet people don’t have a problem when he competes. Just from whatever everyone has seen so far, trans women just don’t have that “significant” advantage that everyone proposes. An advantage? Sure. A GREAT one? Probably not. I just don’t see what we have to lose by letting trans women compete, especially since they already fit the guidelines set by the organizations in which they compete in.
@@keithy5932 they do have a great advantage. Nobody cares about biological females having that advantage because it's a female sport. Female sport is specifically designed to be a safe space for females since they cannot compete in male sports. When you put biological males who are women into this sport who have had the advantage of training in a male body for the majority of their life it destroys the integrity of the safe space.
Are you seriously trying to explain the physiological changes of undergoing hormone replacement therapy to someone who has actually undergone hormone replacement therapy?
@@jessherselfable does the physiological change for one person represent and therefore dictate the physiological change as the same for everyone else? is that how that works?
Fine, here let me even the score for you then. Or does she not count?
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Pple are gonna be concerned though.Women have had to fight hard for their rights and at one point could not vote, keep children after a divorce, earn a fair wage or even drive.
The issues affecting you, Samantha, are not the issues affecting many other women...Women need their own seperate designation, as our experiences are different- very different. This is not transphobic.
exactly.. does Samantha worry about tampon shortages? no.. does Samantha worry about roe v wade because it will effect her personally? no Samantha cant possibly have the full female experice so she is not capable of knowing how it would feel being the women's athlete who worked so hard her whole life who just lost a scholarship to someone like Lia Thomas. like im not transphobic. do you. be who you are. but you being who you are shouldn't have such an impact on other women
@@noobmasters6913 YALL act like trans women don’t care about Roe v wade being overturned. And y’all act like they started with it… our rights have been being stripped and revoked YALL didn’t care. When they were talking about anti trans laws and bills y’all didn’t care until it came to roe v wade. It didn’t start with roe v wade it started with trans rights and isn’t gonna stop at roe v wade. Just like when blm was happening white people were only here for performative activism and now that black women are sitting back on this yall wanna come for us. This right here is blatant privilege. Trans women have been the most vocal about roe v wade y’all forget we’re a minority. We’ve been talking about our rights being stripped and it was gonna catch up to y’all. You guys didn’t care about the anti trans mobilization and blatant mistreatment black women and black trans women receive in society.
@@noobmasters6913 and most trans women like myself carry tampons and pads for a cis and non binary AFAB friends. I’ve always had tampons and pads for my girlfriends and most trans women have been doing the same for sister hood y’all just wanna blatantly be transphobic and misogynistic.
@@MoonAaliyahh you carrying around pads because you want to maybe be useful for your friends isint the same thing. i have no issue calling you a women.. but lets be honest.. we have two totally different experiences.
@@MoonAaliyahh being vocal has nothing to do with anything. and we arnt talking about trans rights.
Saying that it's unfair now makes you a transphobe?
Sam is so out of touch and defensive on this subject. There are many instances where this is happening. Even if they aren't the best at their sports they are doing better as a woman than they were as a man. And it's not the point whether or not they are the best. The point is that any natural born male can get an advantage over a woman in sports just by claiming as a transwoman. Watch the movies Ladybugs or JaWanna Mann, and distinguish whether we can even challenge whether or not their gender identities are man, woman, neither, or fluid. Many people will still label him as a he/him. Solely because they don't believe he is trans for any other purpose than to get an advantage in sports.
No amount of hormones can change your wingspan, lung capacity, heart size/cardiovascular reserve, or height. What is wrong with Trans women competing against men? To me this would actually be changing stereotypes about masculinity/femininity. This issue is ONLY affecting biological women. Biological men will always perform better than trans men. Don't believe me? Name ONE, just ONE trans man who has competed at the collegiate or professional level and won first place, or even placed in the top 10.
"You cannot refer to trans girls as biological boys"
That is simply what they are, especially in the context of female sports.
Except they keep getting reminded. Why keep saying what they already know? It's just said to hurt and demean.
Boy is a gender term, it's inaccurate to call trans women boys. Use male instead.
@@translivesmatter9063 doesn’t make it less true
@@salenzar And it also doesn't make it any less true that its demeaning to bring forth someone's assigned sex at birth, all with the intention of invalidating someone's identity. Nice try though, people like you will go the extra mile, as to type a youtube comment, to offend a marginalized community. What a pathetic choice of actions, and bad management of priorities!
@@a1kevin72 Except there are plenty of trans folk who are NOT offended by the term "biological male/female". There are plenty of trans women who proudly say "I am biologically male" and vice versa. So to call this "demeaning" is false. It's not. I agree SOME ppl are offended by this term, but that does not in and of itself make it offensive. I have to assume that this offense is the result of a degree of ignorance to the field of biology, which has everything to do with the the reproduction and evolution of all species, and nothing to do with their gender expression (a subject for the field of anthropology). Biologically, if you were born with female gametes/gonads, you are female. By this definition, my cat is biologically female despite having had her uterus and ovaries removed. This YT creator is a biological male of the species Homo sapiens, AND she's also an anthropologically trans-female human. I'll give you that context matters. For example, if I just point to an overweight person and say "you're overweight," most would agree that's both true and rude, whereas if their doctor says "you're overweight and at increased risk of..." that's not offensive. In a discussion of athletics, the term "biological" is relevant, and is NOT being used with the intention of "invalidating someone's identity" as you suggest. It's being used to highlight the differences between male and female physiology. As a biological male, Lia Thomas has several physiologic advantages that her fellow female competitors do not, and nothing about this statement invalidates her identity.
Why is caling an trans women an biological male is so offensive? You can argue that it's telling that are not women, but I bet you will even find the term born male offensive, too! As for trans on sports, why not having an trans only category, or this is offensive too?
Remember the south park video you did? I heard you said "this never happened." What do you say now?
So if I disagree with your thoughts I'm transphobic?! Well then I'm transphobic then...
Come on Hex. Your mental health is bad enough. Don’t read the comments. Don’t read the comments don’t read the comments don’t read the comments don’t read the comments
Right there with you. Must've been shared on an unfriendly platform..
im just glad that being transphobic isnt illegal cause with all the accusing she does tons of good people would be thrown in jail for simple misunderstandings.
I think transgenders should have a separate section when it comes to sports. Certain biological advantages cannot be overcome. And this is solid proof.
Why seperate? Trans men won't win against trans women since they were also born female
@@britannia6080 Exhibit A. The physical advantages. And they weren't born female. They transition. Just saying.
So segregation. Also, who would they compete against? It's not like trans people are swarming into competitions by the dozens. There is maybe one or two per competition. Also, nice using the exact same argument that was used against black women when they were finally allowed to compete. Always the same BS with bigots.
He is a man, oh my gosh this world 🤦🏾♀️😂 and when you say “born Male” you’re insinuating that he’s still not one today, he is and will be till the day he dies.
Bro everytime i watch these kind videos i feel like my iq start increasing these people are living in freaking delusion
Everything that you talk about is a lot more complicated then everyone just being 'transphobic' we are allowed to have our option
Transphobic a word that didn't even exist 20 years ago. Now, I made to believe that everyone in my community are transphobic smh. Bazzaro world.
The truth is if a trans woman went thru full male puberty and decides to transition later on than they are stronger
Exactly! Male puberty can't be undone
Has anyone ever heard a real woman's perspective on this and I don't mean to be offensive I just don't know what the pc word for real is and I'm curious cause it seems like the Trans communities hijacked their entire platform I haven't heard of a female athlete that wasn't either Trans or in trouble in well over 3 or 4 years but I've heard of plenty of Trans ones
So here's a man pretending to be a woman, Talking about another man pretending to be a woman. Dam.. This shit is deep and Halarious.
do you even know how to spell hilarious
@@theo-bg2cr No I don't. Lmao. But I do know the difference between male and female. And i know it's impossible to change sexes. No matter how much one's FEELINGS get hurt.
@@Racingpappy101 when you see most trans people you don't know they're trans so obviously you don't know the difference that you're thinking of
@@theo-bg2cr There is no such thing as a trans person. No matter what someone alters on their body will change their sex. And no amount of hormones or surgery or playing pretend will alter the xx or xy chromosome of women and men. Trans is maded up term to make some people feel better living with their confusion.
@@Racingpappy101 They're still trans and your argument isn't valid. Chromosomes aren't that accurate and if you actually researched it that your chromosomes you would probably be surprised that your chromosomes aren't what you expected
And just because Lia came in second in a few races on a college or high school level doesn't mean her ranking is 2. Her ranking would be based on her time. The 462 fastest swimmer in the country IS pretty good. Its just that no one cares. Yes, he was talented, but not enough to matter. Its EXACTLY the situation where switching would make it count.
As a professional athlete who is a trans girl, I'm glad my sport is Expedition (backpacking, may be a hike, bike, or paddle) and I don't need to worry about any of this because it's more everyone has the same goal, less compeditive (I may have certain stances on compeditive sports in general being just bread and circuses an Expedition girl. I may love watching hockey but I still know what it is). That being said, I'll just say it's revealing that someone who finished third (Riley Gains) is the one making the biggest issue out of Leia Thomas like she would've won without Leia there when she literally lost to a cis woman in that race and is writing books. Like, how do people not see the grift?
The biomechanics have already long developed as a male by the time Lia Thomas had even begun transitioning.
Advocating for that kind of advantage purely on the fact that Lia is transgender is exceptionally discriminatory against every other non-trans competitor.
Testosterone levels alone do not make up the fierce advantage that men have over women in most sports. Google will happily show you this as an overwhelming fact.
There is a very clear and long held reason why sports have been categorized by biological sex and not your confused feelings.
You salty hun? We re here to stay😜.
And btw sport has been divided by gender because women were simply not allowed to even compete before modern times
@@notannie4798 What salt? I'm truly worried about where people's moral compasses point when they're happy to disadvantage literally hundreds of competitors for the sake of the feelings of less than 10.
Women have been competing for over a century in the Olympics, I wouldn't class that as "Modern" and the word gender wasn't even part of the vocabulary back then.
So no, it was separated by biological sex.
Some sports are even divided by weight, you going to tell me that I'm allowed to identify as 60kg so I can wrestle those half my size?
Time to understand that society as a whole is noticing trans people and they are not liking what they see.
So, and this is a question.... if I'm offended as not only a woman but a mother raising a young woman (far off, albeit.. as my daughter is 5) is it transphobic bc I find Lia competing against biological females is unfair and steals spots from women. What about us??? I get Trans need acceptance, but women legit began voting last century!!! Our rights matter too. We have the right to a fair playing field.
Also, why can't we say there's a biological advantage. That's science. I'm just confused.
Male puberty is a big thing in sports, and if Caitlin is wrong, then why call him oneand she only did that bc she was barred from the males team.
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" In the 2018-2019 season she was, when competing in the men's team, ranked 554 in the 200 freestyle, 65 in the 500 freestyle, and 32 in the 1650 freestyle. "
While I agree this is a SITUATIONAL problem.. he situation with lia is a problem.
Did you watch the video?? As she litrealy pointed out she was the first trans woman to win, she even explined how horomones breaks down muscles within trans women meaning they lose their strengh
Besides that she is still a woman. Trans women are still women
@@Man-wolf- so what am I ? Do you see how a lot of women are beginning to feel like we don't matter anymore ?? And also.. while lia is a woman. She's a Trans woman and has an unfortunate and unfair advantage. Takes many many years for muscle mass to deteriorate not to mention she never looses bone density or other biological advantages
How would it be 'stealing' a place if 1). She is a woman, as are we and 2). She wins fair and square while following all the rules and guidelines that the company set out. That's not stolen, that's earned.
As someone who used to swim year round but stopped because of gender dysphoria, SWIMMING IS NOT LAZY IT IS SO DIFFICULT-
I'm a forensic anthropologist, what I do is identify deceased persons, specifically from skeletal remains. Regardless of someone's gender identity in life, I can identify the sex of their body from their skeleton. I don't need the whole skeleton to do so. There are so many differences that people are unaware of. These differences can be observed even prior to puberty. Female bones are lighter and more fragile because they are less robust. The muscular attachment points on the bones in males are more pronounced, providing better stability for muscular development. The pelvic girdle is structurally different between male and female bodies, which affects the articulation of the femur and the innominate of the pelvis. This causes males and females to have different gait (walking pattern) because the bones are arranged at differing angles. The female pelvis is designed to flex, it is designed to bear unbalanced weight--these are the biological aspects that allow the female body to gestate and birth offspring. Male bodies don't have that function and that is reflected in the narrower, less flexible pelvis which is one of the reasons that male bodies are more prone to pelvis prolapse following "bottom surgery." The male pelvis is optimized for stability in motion, the female is not. These morphological traits only become more pronounced post puberty but they are present from the gestational divergence of sex development in utero. We can compare skeletons of female fetuses and male fetuses at 20 weeks and discern sex.
Beyond that, we can identify male skeletal remains that had endocrinology disorders which inhibited their testosterone production-it winds up reflected in their bones. Their muscle attachment points are less pronounced than the average male's. But it doesn't change the anatomical structures which facilitate physical abilities which females lack. Similarly female remains can indicate a lack of estrogen, that will be observed in the bone density degradation. Taking testosterone will initially improve a female's bone density but only temporarily because of the estrogen suppression nature of elevated testosterone levels it will cause premature osteoporosis. Similarly, a male taking estrogen will have lower bone density than the average male but it won't be as diminished as a female's is at their normal state. Either sex will have diminished density if they are exposed to puberty blockers, it is mild, but if the individual takes the dominant hormone not matching the inherent hormone production of their body that mild bone density lessening will be compounded and can become an issue in later life.
None of this is judgement or opinion, its human anatomy. Evolution optimizes traits favoring that which best supports survival and reproductive success. That has led males to be optimized for physical performance and females for maximizing the chances of their survival and successful production of offspring. None of this of course has any impact on what a person chooses to do in life but when we are seeking to set up "fair" competitive activities it is disingenuous of us to deny anatomical differences.
Many will argue that there is a great range of variation amongst females, and that is a valid observation. There are individuals who have gifted genetics that allow them to give superior performances. But if we look at the average performance of devoted athletes the results we see are very distinct between male and female abilities. Those distinctions do narrow at the most elite of the elite, but its safe to assume that those individuals are outliers amongst their own sex, there is a reason they are the best in the world. Which is why it is more valid, for the purposes of fair competition, to look at the performances of average dedicated athletes and compare those. When we do so we can clearly observe that females taking no hormone modification do not perform as well as females taking testosterone. Males taking estrogen do not perform as well as males taking no hormone modification. Yes, there are other factors- how much dedication you put into it, how much you can access adequate training facilities, your diet-the list could go on. But the general agreement has always been that anatomical structures that differ significantly don't compete against each other and in contact sports we delineate those sets of who can compete with who even further because fairness and safety require we do so.
If we extend our analysis to factor in the multitude of differing impacts of hormones on organ systems the comparison of a female to male in terms of physical performance are even more divergent. While female bodies on testosterone are physically strengthened, better able to build muscle, they never progress to the point of even remote equity to the physical capacity of a male. Similarly, a male body on estrogen is physically diminished but retains numerous physical advantages over the average female body.
Ultimately the result is a female bodied athlete on testosterone would not have to work as hard to beat a female athlete without hormone treatment. I think logically everyone would conclude that a Transman has an advantage over a ciswoman in terms of strength and that competing in the same category would not be fair. Realistically a Transman doesn't stand a chance in most physical competitions with a cisman. A Transman possesses no physical advantage relevant to sport compared to a cisman so their inclusion in competition doesn't create any unfair disadvantages. The same cannot be said for Transwomen, no they are not as strong as cismen, a hormone has altered their ability to build and maintain muscle. That capacity is made inferior compared to cismen, but it remains superior to ciswomen, as does their bone density. The articulation of their pelvis is not changed by the hormones. Their superior capacity to metabolize medications and alcohol while diminished, is still superior to that of ciswomen. While they may be taking female hormones, they are taking artificial female hormones which have some different effects in the body compared to native estrogen. We know this because numerous studies have identified that birth control pills (estrogen and progesterone) impair the cortisol release mechanism of the body-essentially shutting down the stress coping mechanism. Estrogens and progesterone native to the female body don't do this. Female bodies taking birth control exhibit changes in areas of the brain that we don't even fully understand (or disclose to patients taking the medication) So we know that synthetic female hormones do not behave entirely the same as native female hormones.
It should not be taboo to discuss the facts of human anatomy in all their complexity and diversity. And it should not be considered unacceptable for people who have been marginalized due to their sex to voice concern that they are being treated unfairly or held to unfair standards. If we were earnest in our desire to establish fair competitions we would investigate the physiological performance differences and seek to fully understand the physiological effects of hormones before we assumed that an individual with very different anatomy can fairly complete against members of a group that share fairly similar anatomy. If we earnestly respect the interests of all persons we should want to ensure that no one is being provided unfair standards of competition. The fact that expressing this is seen as offensive, in and of itself, is offensive. It is reasonable to want to ensure competitions are fair and safe and respectful to everyone competing.
I don't think anybody cares for being called transphobic anymore. The word has lost all it's power (if it ever had it) because the reasoning behind calling someone transphobic is so batshit that the meaning is starting to morph into "you won the argument and I'm mad"
You lie. You lie and actually believe the lie. 😂
I think you made some interesting points, such as trans being able to compete since 2015 but not having many winners, that the swimmers time got slower after transitioning, etc. But also I don't know why it is transphobic to refer to a trans person as a biological male in the context of sports(It would be rude to bring it up when not relevant), i mean i heard your explanation about it sounding polical, but i dont agree. Its really difficult to hold a conversation when many reasonable points are shut down as transphobic because the language used(its not offensive language). and this swimmer is clearly huge compared to the other girls, had built muscle in places women don't gain muscle, and clearly shows a big difference from the other women. It doesn't look fair at all. 🙈 I do hope there can be a way for everyone to compete, but this is not it. But I don't play sports at all, so if the girls are ok with it than sure 🤷♀️
Like I originally didn't support trans women participating in competitions at all, and then a youtuber u don't like said she thinks that all people should have that opportunity to compete because studies show its great for their health and that shouldn't be taken from them, and I was like true, and now I'm alot more open to trans even in womens comp., but then I'm transphobic now for using certain language that makes sense, and you just throw it to a polical party that I don't even want to make a correlation to during this discussion, and then shut it down, which just makes me feel like I am labled as transphobic and have no room to embrace your opinion without changing political stances, and my understanding of the world, to fit the same with yours, which is not how discussions should go, unless u just want to talk to people that think the same as you. But I'll keep watching u anyway cuz I like watching both sides of stuff.
Instead of "biological male" use the term AMAB(Assigned Male at Birth). "Biological male" comes across as saying that trans women are males, they aren't, they were just assumed to be based on external genitalia at birth.
@@mandalorkayla8001 They are males, if they were females they wouldn't need to transition. But you are the first person that admits the real reason why the term 'amab' is use.
@@jammadan If they transition and are amab they're females, are you seriously going to try tell me Samantha isn't a female, have you seen her?
@@mandalorkayla8001 Humans are mammals and mammals can't change sex, sam look like a woman, but sam's sex is still male.
You aren't transphobic just because you recognize she has a significant advantage.
"Fairness, whatever whatever"
I beg you! Show us just 2 or 3 trans-men in sports who are so successful, who are so dominant in their sports????
You're asking for the impossible, there is none for obvious reasons
@@jammadan further proving it'd only a issue one way, trans women(biological men) besting biological women not the other way around
@Engie Wym and? Yes men are stronger, faster, taller, all things you need to perform as a athlete at a high level, the whole reason why women got their own side is so it would be fair to go against other women rather than having to go against men, it's simply not fair for the women who are just biologically at a disadvantage so they got their own space to shine but now that can be in jeopardy if we start letting men just identify as women and dominate the competition just based off their natural physical advantage
A research team in Stockholm is developing new information that may affect the IAAF's regulations in the future. The study has been ongoing since 2015 and a total of 23 Swedes have been analyzed before and after undergoing gender-confirming treatment.
The researchers have, among other things, measured their body composition, muscle mass and muscle strength. Men on average have 35-40 percent more muscle mass on their legs than where women have.
According to Tommy Lundberg, doctor of physiology at Karolinska Institutet, the trans women in their study came down below the IAAF's testosterone limit and stayed there for a year, completely in line with current regulations. But the muscle mass on the legs decreased by only 5 percent and the muscle strength did not decrease at all.
"Many people may have thought that trans women lose more than we see them actually doing. It can be an important addition to this issue." said Lundberg when he was interviewed about the study some year ago.
So those who think that transgender people should be able to compete as the gender they think they belong to, what are their suggestions? That it should not be gendered? What sports and sports (besides shooting and horse jumping) would a woman manage in that case? Then it is to say goodbye to women in both football, soccer.athletics, basketball, tennis etc.
Trans women who have undergone a male puberty should not be allowed to compete in women's sports (should rather be counted as doping). Either a big no there or they can release all doping.
Men's sports are one thing. There are no rules that stop women from playing with men, if they can keep up. And a trans man does not have an advantage over cis men in sports, unlike a trans woman along with cis women.
Golf player Annika Sörenstam (the only woman who went under 59 strokes during competition) played with the men for a while to get a challenge in a PGA tournament because she was so superior to the other ladies. She then came in 96th place.
Kajsa Bergqvist broke the world record indoors in the high jump with 2.08 m. The male world record is 2.45 m.
Serena Williams, the best female tennis player of all time, and her sister Venus got to play a match against a man who was ranked 203rd place, they were both outclassed (even though the man had not even warmed up).