Why Joe Barbaro is Lincoln Clay's Father Explained (Mafia Game Theory)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Note: I understand that in the ending of Mafia 3 there is a FBI case file with a picture of Lincoln Clay saying he was born in January. The thing is this date is just a placeholder since "Lincoln was abandoned by his mother in 1947, a couple years after he was born" according to Father James in this video (2:26) so no one knows when exactly he was born. What we do know is he was born in 1945.
In this video I explain why Joe Barbaro is most likely Lincoln Clay's father and how Lincoln is Joe Barbaro's bastard son. I have included a Mafia 2 and Mafia 3 timeline which surprisingly fits with the theory. Did the developers of Mafia 3 originally plan for Lincoln Clay to be Joe Barbaro's son? Did they cast Alex Hernandez since he looks similar to Joe? Notice how Leo Galante looks at Lincoln and immediately back at Joe at 4:05
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Video Timestamps:
- 0:00 Joe Escapes to New Bordeaux
- 2:26 Father James talks about Lincoln's Origins
- 2:59 Mafia Timeline
- 3:36 Father and Son Crossing Paths
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Mafia 3 Alternate Ending - Lincoln Clay's Parents: th-cam.com/video/qe07i2S7iys/w-d-xo.html
Did the developers of Mafia 3 originally plan for Lincoln Clay to be Joe Barbaro's son? Did they cast Alex Hernandez since he looks similar to Joe? Notice how Leo Galante looks at Lincoln and immediately back at Joe at 4:05
• Mafia 3 Alternate Ending - Joe Talks to Vito: th-cam.com/video/j_iODM_iBXA/w-d-xo.html
• Mafia 4 Trailer - Joe Barbaro and Lincoln unite: th-cam.com/video/plIojy2Yytw/w-d-xo.html
Can anybody tell me if Vito knows that Joe is still alive?
Modded Games yeah but Lincoln wasn’t apart of the mafia
@@davidchavez1330 exactly bro he was jus some super pissed off dude built like a tank and filled with special training. one man army against the mafia. he took it over.
Well there are different mafia groups. There's the Russian mob, the Jewish mob, Triads....
Amish mob, Irish mob, Armenian mob...
Joe probably had 1000 one night stands in new Bordeaux he’s probably the father like 80 kids
😂😂😂😂
Lmao
Lmao
Plot twist georgi is also his kid
Wahahaha 🤣😭
Vito is gone for like an hour.....
Joe stole his clothes
@Jake Smith but Vito have his clothes right before entering the prison. But i don't understand how Joe got Vito's clothes
@Kyle Castoe haha kinda weird😂
Justas Skywalker Yeah but he was only sent to prison an hour before hand
💀
@@Rtr-um2ev because it's not Vito's jacket,Vito's jacket has black shirt instead of white
Henry makes that phone call from the phone booth right outside Joe's apartment. Luca sent Henry to do the hit and Henry is warning Joe to get out of there before they barge in. Holy shit.
HOLY SHIT!!!
oh wow I never realized this, what a neat detail!
An they say Henry was a snitch still don’t believe it to this day
@@Meechtheactivist In the original script Henry wasn't supposed to be snitch. But they changed it after Dan Vavra (original game designer) left.
@@Meechtheactivist he definitely is a snitch but probably gets attached to joe after working so long after undercover if you assume that mafia in the game work like in real life you don't touch made man never if you do there are consequences and probably Chinese dint really want to go to war with the mob so the wud not kill him if he wasn't a rat
Psychologist: Joe Escobar doesn't exist, he can't hurt you
Also Joe Escobar: 2:12
Lol, it actually looks like pablo Escobar
DeloreanDude463 ya
Lol
JA JA JA JA
Joey Mercury
I remember when vito visited Joe's apartment and joe said something along the lines of "that Spanish girl is wild" and when you played mafia 3 the Father James Said Lincoln's mother was Dominican so maybe Joe and that girl had Lincoln.
2:25 in video
@@MafiaGameVideos yeah. So this theory is probably correct. Also great video. I never thought that Joe could potentially be Lincolns father.
Like he has an attraction to those types of women? Because Joe said that before he had to skip town
@@thepistolguy859 In the video, Father James says that Lincoln's mother was some hooker. Dominican Republic while the father was White possible Italian. But during that time, if you looked Black you were Black.
@@Matumama157 the infamous One drop rule
Vito has just gone to prison and joes already wearing vitos clothes
Hahaha this comment is golden. I never noticed this but now I will never forget it 😂
Joe's Hawaiian shirts are his trademarks
This is a DLC and we play as joe barbaro , we can just go to clothing store and buy vito's dress
@@VakeelSaab-lm4gyVito has a dress? Never knew he liked women's clothing! To each his own..
I came into this video laughing but by the end i was fully convinced. It's shocking how similar joe and lincon look
Also we learned something. Just because your dad is white or Black and YOU'RE white or Black doesn't mean that can't be your father. Says the kid who's Father stood in the sun for way too long and burned his skin and now it's black.
Should have been convinced from the fact that joe calls Vito at the end and says he’s Lincoln’s father
@@MariusBoss11458It's not even only that. When one of your parents is black and the other is white some look mixed but others look straight up full black or fully white. DNA and genetics can be funny at times😂
Plot twist: Joe Barbaro is everyones father
Leo Galante's too
When you measure 7 soft heheheh
Plot twist joe is vitos father
Vito is mine
Is joe his own father?🤔🤯
Its very clear that it's obviously joe's son. The fact that the story went out of the way to tell us that his father was italian, the fact that Leo even bothered to show up and talk to lincoln. He would not have bothered if it wasnt for joe asking leo to help his son out.
Now the only real question is how did joe and leo figure out that lincoln was joe's son.
I think an even bigger question here is why is Joe and Leo even together, when Leo ordered his men to kill Joe at the end of Mafia II. That's what I've always wondered lol
Vito probably told them. Describing Lincoln as some colored brute who reminds of joe Leo had to see for himself. Too take down a whole network by some colored who reminds him of joe they had to see for themselves. Lincoln and Joe both aggressive brutes mafia 2 Joe "You're all fukkn DEAD"
@@DanBrown0531 I think Leo Galante was impressed with the fact that joe escaped his men and messing them up really good
@@DanBrown0531 My theory is that Leo never planned to kill Joe. He knew that Joe was pretty good at what he does and would be a valuable asset to have. But he knows that Vito and Joe together create chaos and always get into trouble. So he seperated them so he could have both of their impressive skills while keeping them under control. I still wish Vito and Joe got reunited though since their friendship is one of my favorite friendships in anything.
@@DanBrown0531 if you pay attention towards the end of mafia 3 when leo meets lincoln the driver for the car leo was in is joe. it shows joe at the end of mafia 3
It’s 1000 percent joe is the father of Lincoln clay especially when the priest said mother was Dominican and father Italian and the resemblance is clear
Fr
Games giving us a clue
Lincoln deadass look Dominican and Italian at the same time..when I first played it, I thought this nigga ain't no nigga
ahoyy. ahoyy. Dominicans are black though
@@KeenApollo Try telling them that
Would explain why Lincoln is so damn huge
They probably have the same bulky body type, just joes fat and Lincoln’s strong, pretty much same bulky body type, different health choices
@@realchrisboyd Joe is still more badass than Lincoln
Bryan Jürgensen Depends
@@bryanjurgensen4580 on the way of how they kill their enemies, I would have pick Joe Barbaro's son than him.
@@thatoneeeeg yeah i know what youre saying, but Joe feels more like a Mafiosi. He has contacts, he knows how to use a gun in combat and you dont want to be his enemy. Same goes for Lincoln, but Lincoln in my opinion is just a person going for revenge, thats it for me.
This is one of the most believable theory I have seen. Damn. Can you in any way confirm this with the dev's? It would be so cool if your theory turns out to be true and canon
They probably scrapped this early in development but who knows.
Some people don't consider Mafia III canon at all so that would be a difficult thing to explain to a big part of the community.
KeoneArt this theory is a bunch of bullshit. Lincoln was born in early 1945, joe left empire bay in February of 1945. In mafia 3 Lincoln is at least 23 years old, generous, making his date of birth sometime in 1945, meaning he was conceived in 1944.
Lincoln also stayed at an orphanage that closed down in 1958, meaning he was at least 12 years old.
The reason I say this is because sammy Robinson wouldn’t take in a 9 year old into his black mob. So Lincoln would at least have to be nearly a teenager. Making him 13 years old, which means he is born in ‘45
Modded games ought to do more research...
@@barackobama990 Anything is possible since they brought Joe back. Even though the FBI game cutscene says Lincoln's was born "1945" does not mean it's true. Lincoln was abandoned by his mother so no one knows when he was really born.
Joe leaves Empire Bay in February 1945 so if he got someone pregnant in Feb/March then Lincoln Clay would be born Nov/December 1945. I did my research...
Modded Games if you want to believe this theory then fine, you are absolutely right. I’m done arguing.
Let’s both appreciate how good of a game mafia 2 is.
Bruh those flat textures looks so creepy lmao
You don't want to see Vito's in Mafia 2, it looks much more disturbing.
Leatherface
well im glad the definitive edition realesed
@@MafiaGameVideos you made me curious
@@MafiaGameVideos ffs I'm curious now aaa
Can't believe 3 years later everyone coming back to mafia 3
U can never know when a game is going to die
Only bc the remake was announced lol
If this game has one thing to talk good about is its story, it was fantastic.
@@Rippd_Bagel It's not a remake
Because Mafia 4 basically got announced.
Lincoln Barbaro, I like the sound of that.
Even though Lincoln is a surname, and Clay is a forename. Developers fucked up colossal.
@@iim4xii129 it’s actually pretty accurate considering father stated his mom was Dominican lol cause Dominicans tend to give their sons English surnames as first names. Eg. Wilson Torres, Robinson Cano, Nelson Cruz, Wellington Castillo etc.
I just noticed how has everyone aged except Leo Galante?
He is probably Queen Elizabeth's secret brother
Fr lol
XDDDD
Paul Ghencea Lol
Nah, he definitely aged. He can barely walk by himself, and his face looks a lot worse. Yes, he was already old at the time of Mafia II, but he's just that kind of an "immortal" person. Just look at Steve Martin, he looked the same for the last 30 years.
Hangar 13 watching this video: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!
LOOL
Woulda been cool if vito raised you knowing you were Joe's son, and you know the story was still a vendetta but for your father.
ohhhhhhhhhhh no, that would've been awesome. Sort of like Red Dead Redemption 1
@@MafiaGameVideos Know what should be even better? If in the next game mafia 1 they make it to where you either hide big guns in cases, large undercoats or trunks of cars otherwise you cant carry it without hiding it leading to police trouble if spotted. Kinda like red dead 2s horse gun saddle system. I'm annoyed at pulling large guns out of my bum.
@@Elnegro.. that sounds awesome but sadly it's going to be like Mafia 3 gun system
@@MafiaGameVideos Has that been confirmed? Even the gunplay? If that's the case I'd prefer mafias og gameplay least it was challenging.
@@Elnegro.. not confirmed but I'm speculating since they're using an updated version of the Mafia 3 engine.
Alright Lincoln Barbaro is canon for me now. This is actually amazing.
Especially Leo's glance at Lincoln, then at Joe, then back to Lincoln at 4:02 feels like the developers tried to hint it now that we know the context.
Very rarely have I seen a game theory that felt so authentic and plausible.
Great work!
Thank you!
I finished the game again 4 days ago and noticed this same scene and said "No way"
It reminded me of how Vito looks aged and I said that is Joe, but why is he looking at Lincoln like that.
@@msmadmax420 Either his son or somehow knew that it's Vito's friend and would really like to say "Tell Vito to sent my regards." And no not the meme of the Sends his Regards. It's just him sending his regards. No kill no nothing.
@@msmadmax420 becuase he knew that was his son and wanted to get a good look at him
I never thought that scene was him looking at Lincoln, to me, that scene is him looking at the camera, looking at us, kind of saying "Yes, it's me, I'm alive"
Can’t wait for the remaster and mafia 4
What Mafia 4
you mean mafia 1 remake right there is no mafia 4
@@Acegaming0588 there will be mafia 4, i'm sure of it
Same...
@@robertiacob2615 its confirmed it wont ve
0:57 hey Vito's clothes fits in joe
Imagine if Vito is just wearing joes clothes
@@Hy-pxint he was wearing Joe's hawaiian shirt in one of the missions
Knowing Joe Barbaro, there is probably an entire platoon of Lincolns running around, someplace. I like the theory; Joe unknowingly procreates an offspring that grows up and eventually saves the life of his best friend. A beautiful story of friendship bonds transcending the known and unknown. I don't like, I LOVE IT!
Wait was Condoms a thing back then? I don't think so so you're right 😂😂😂
@@MariusBoss11458 Rubber condoms were invented in 1855. In 1957, when Lincoln was probably conceived, condoms were around but if you kind of know Joe Barbaro from the Mafia 2 game, when he gets drunk, Joe does not give a shite. Besides, one good condom would have meant Vito would have been a dead man.
@@Spartan77 Yeah i can pretty see that he don't give a shit. Just wanted to ask if that was a thing.
@@MariusBoss11458 Condoms were around but they were not too popular. They became more popular in the early 80's when AIDS literally scared the shit out the entire world. Rock Hudson yo, lol. Also, I made a mistake, Joe conceived Lincoln when Vito went to jail, so that would have been 1947, my bad.
@@MariusBoss11458 Yeah, in fact as early as WW1 condoms were part of a soldier's equipment.
I always thought that at the end of the game, the driver who was looking at Lincoln was Joe
it is sir
It is. I'm a console gamer but I've seen PC players say the driver's name is Joe in the files. That really says it all if it's true.
in my playthrough i wrote him off that it was pepe. also the writers have some explaining to do.
I wonder if Joe stared at Lincoln for a few seconds because he knew him
or he just stared to let the audience know he is alive hahahahaah during the ending
EDIT : I have unintentionally started a war in this thread
Notice how Leo looks at Lincoln and then back to Joe at 4:02
Holy Fuck that’s Brilliant
@@MafiaGameVideos It is NOT Joe. Sure, probably he looks like him, but it's Leo's bodyguard. Forgot his name
EDIT: i literally posted this reply almost a year ago and I already realized it was Joe, now stop replying ffs
@@lucasthecreator It's definitely joe if you look at my Joe Barabro mod gameplay vid. It's not Pepe since Joe's scars match and Mafia 3 devs confirmed it's Joe at the ending.
Modded Games Pepe would be way bigger
There's strong evidence for this theory. The only evidence against is the DOB Jan 1945 but that could have been inaccurate to begin with. Like, if he was abandoned and never had papers, then whoever found him would have no way to knowing his exact DOB. Jan 1945 will well within the margin of error, could easily be Dec 1945 or even early 1946.
And plus mafia has always had timeline and plot inconsistencies through titles, when Tommy dies in the original game it’s just two unnamed npc’s that kill him that later changed to Joe and Vito
3:34 This is now my sleep paralysis demon
Fame Pulse hAhHaa
Btw in Mafia 3 collectors editions, you got Lincoln statue that write "Licoln J. Clay" in the game the "J." Didnt apear, I think the mother called him licoln J. Clay bcause his father name Joe
great find!
5:41 - he looks creepily like Bobby Cotzanzo (Joe's voice actor)
@One and Only Maybe they originally casted him because he looks like Joe?
Maybe it's an Easter egg
@leo you can say bobby to a robert🙄
When you fuse Joe and Lincoln they kind of look like Reggie Fils Aime
Looks like Lincoln can call Vito his uncle since he’s Joe friend.
Ok NEW NAME FOR VITO! Uncle Vito "Bucatini" Scalleta.
they are more than friends look that secret cutscene
This is a pretty good theoryif you notice when Leo galante gets out of the car he looks at Joe barbaro smiles and Lynn looks at Lincoln clay maybe he was smiling because he was like. " that really is your kid" honestly it would also explain why they didn't just kill Lincoln clay right then and there .
I'm kinda mad i didn't got to kill Leo. I hated him at the end of Mafia 2. Actually when i Watched the Endings for Mafia 2 on a guy's Playthrough i was smiling Through the Ending. I was like "Hehehe I'm gonna kill Leo in Mafia 3"
@@MariusBoss11458Why cause he scolded Vito instead of letting him be killed? He was in hiding, and now he has to come save Vito? He was pissed! Had every right to be.. And as we all know now!? He either didnt kill Joe, or Joe came after his ass for it! either way.. U need to grow tf up.. Cause IRL.. Ud NEVER stand up to a,wise guy let alone kill one.. Lol I'm sorry this comment better be fro. Like a 12 yr old! Or its just pathetic
That explains a lot about the character and why he reacted the way he did. I thought he seems like a combination of Vito (military background) and Tommy (Extreme loyalty to family and the people he loves) but now that Joe is in the mix hitting us with a triple combo. Makes me like his character more than I did before.
The storytelling and voice acting in all 3 Mafia games is SO memorable. They had their flaws, but not many games all these years later I still remember SO MANY characters FIRST and LAST names. I never thought of this theory before, but WOW, you out their faces side-by-side and that timeline... YES I believe Joe is Lincoln Clay's father. Mafia 2 portrayed Joe as like the "walking penis." Apartment scenes, cathouse scene, club scenes, skyscraper scene, etc...
The only reason this can't hold up, Joe left town around May 1945. The "Time Well Spent" chapter opened in February 1945 and Vito narrated it took 3 months after his arrest to sentence him. Joe had to leave town shortly after that.
Lincoln was born in January 1945, so unless this one night stand actually was in Empire Bay and she happened to be from New Bordeaux and went back. This cannot hold up but the resemblance is strong, I'll give it that
@Off The Cuff I don't recall Tommy having a son and the age of 16, laws were different even in the pre-WWII America
@Off The Cuff also we see the actual dates in Mafia 2 to show when these events took place and as aforementioned, we know Lincoln's birth month and year
jan1 is a place holder date if birth records cant confirm a month and day but they can confirm the year
Unless Joe was down there while Vito was over seas?
2k game should have sent you present for this.
How come i never noticed the driver looked like Joe? Anyways this actually a good theory
It is Joe
How can it be joe when joe dies at the end of mafia 2??
@@robertharris9869 they never said he actually died
@@youngstrummer869 well they clearly want you to think he dies. Yes they showed Joe in the end of Mafia 3 but that really didn't mean anything. It had no significance. They just decided 'we're gonna just put his face in there so that the audience get goosebumps when the game ends', that's all it is tbh. So technically he did die.
If thats not joe at the end he had an identical twin who wasn’t mentioned unlike vito we didn’t get to meet any of Joes family so he could have been a bastard himself my grama was abandoned by her italian father in the 1930’s maybe joes her dad also lol
Henry warned Joe just like Vito warned Leo, 🥺
So glad Joe is alive after all these years! If they make a fourth game, it should be Lincoln, Vito and Joe plotting revenge on the whole syndicate.
Sounds like my Mafia 4 trailer
100% lincoln is joe's son. But he probably isn't the only child joe had.
Under_Sc0re no he’s not dumbass
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I can't believe we share the same idea i always thought about it didn't
Realise someone else taught the same great video man keep up the good work
Im subscribing to u
He’s not because on the mafia wiki it says Lincoln Clay was born Jan ‘45 and the events of joes adventures take place in Feb ‘45 so Lincoln would’ve already of been born by the time Vito goes to prison, but still a very interesting theory well done!
Joe could have been with that one girl before the events of mafia 2
@@outlaw3964 True
The date of Jan '45 could be misleading. That's probably just what some social worker assumed not knowing the exact date.
@@cosmicraynullificationsqua7667 yea because Lincoln's date of birth was most likely not recorded properly.
I always thought Lincoln looked more like Sammy though, another thing too is. Father James said he thinks Lincoln's father could be italian. A interesting plot twist to Lincoln's history would've been that since Slavery / Jim crow was in that era, that sometimes you have people that were black / or latino who may have had light / fair skin that would try to pass off as being white to avoid being killed. What if Lincoln's father was really a light skinned black / latino that passed as white and joined the mafia and somehow connected to Vito or Joe, and got Lincoln's mom pregnant and decided to leave her before Lincoln was born because he knew that his new life of friends / associates would put 2 and 2 together and find out he really wasn't white. and that would put him, Lincoln and his mom in great danger. I like how this game really showcased how things were back then
Thanks for shedding some light 👍🏿
I questioned this video at first, but after a few minutes you made a compelling argument.
On the wiki Lincoln was born in January of 1945 and u don’t get control of Vito until February if I’m not mistaken
I think there's a good possibility the date is wrong. Let's say he was abandoned and never had papers, how would social workers even know the exact DOB?
They probably just guessed and slapped a random date to get it over with.
@@cosmicraynullificationsqua7667 they just put in 1st Jan lmao
Idk maybe I'm wrong cuz I never checked wiki
@@alisafeerhyder1994 Jan 1st is what I put into every sign up when I can't be bothered to put in the real date.
I'm not expecting 40's social workers to be any better. People are lazy.
Perhaps Joe and Lincoln can reunite in Mafia 4
If they make Mafia 4 they would most likely have new characters maybe with the exception of Vito.
They're not related
I always loved my head canon that Vito goes to prison and joe decides “ima wear that jacket now”
I know this is a fun theory and all, but from what a checked in Joe and Clay Bio. It says Clay was born sometime around January 1945 one month before Vito came back from the War on Feb 8 1945. I'n *"time well spent"* it says Vito was arrested in Feb 26, in Vito's Flash Back commentary 3 months have passed after his arrest.
Which puts it around May 1945, Joe was present at court around this time and left not long after he angered Luca Gurino which got Joe a Mob hit which forced him to leave Empire Bay around May, just 5 months after Clay is born.
Now im not gonna rule out this possibility cause i find it an interesting theory. Either Clay's mom was in Empire bay around 1944 and met Joe. Or she had it with another Italian guy who was in New Bordeaux, as its stated the Marcano Crime Family Bio they came to power in around 1934. So Clay's father could be either a Random Italian guy, Joe Barbaro or a member of the Marcano Crime Family.
YO imagine how crazy it would be if Sal was his bio father that would of been a total mindfuck.
@@bigrich6075 That's a similar conclusion a came to some months after i made this comment. Sal would be in his mid 30's by the time Clay is born. So say if this theory works., lets say Clay mom may have been a mistress or a prostitute and Sal impregnate her giving us Clay, he was abandoned at the orphanage in 1947 as his mom didn't what him for reasons. If something like that came in Mafia 3 it would totally screw peoples minds about the Marcano's.
I see I wasn't the only one who jumped into the theory of Joe Barbaro possibly being the possible father of Lincoln Clay. When I saw the mafia 3 front cover at game Stop my conclusion was that it would be about after Clay finishing his tour in Vietnam. And possibly a game of vengeance possibly on a mission to avenge the murder of his father.
Tony Balls specifies that Joe hid out some place "Down South" in one of those wall of text missions when you return. Just a very interesting note....it would be one hell of a twist, I gotta admit. The question is where the name "Clay" came from....doesn't sound very Dominican to me, Sammy's last name is Robinson and Father James' last name is Ballard
let assume he didn't have the last name he was only Lincon and when he came to system they give him last name Clay because he is brown like clay back in the day when racism very strong this shud be possible
@@rokibuca and don't forget that he says lincoln is abandonned and the orphanage maybe like give him back name i guess?
There are Dominicans with non Spanish last names. Rico Carty, George Bell, Jaden Michael, Al Horford, Victor Rasuk, Clauvid Daly, Alfredo Griffin are all Dominican actors and baseball players. My grandma is from Santo Domingo and her surname was Matthew. In Samaná, Dominican Republic most of the people there have English names like King and Wilson
@@jaylindr3723 Huh....well you learn something new every day! Thanks for the information.
@@BaronVonPurp You’re welcome! also the guy above me probably is right though cause Lincoln was abandoned so he most likely got a name given to him from the Orphanage but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in
According to Lincoln Clay's dogtags in the Collector's Edition of the game, his full name is Lincoln J. Clay..
That "J." though. What if his middle name was Joe or Joseph which is Joe Barbaro's first name?
Great vid!
Me seeing video thumbnail:
"Pffffft what? People are just pulling stuff out of their ass now."
Me after watching video:
"Well paint my ass red and call me a baboon, this makes sense."
I usually do not agree with a lot game theories out there but this one I can confidently say that I do agree with. I always told myself playing this and watching other people play that Lincoln and Joe do kind of look alike and, the close up of Joe at the end there and the way he looks at Lincoln, I feel is to show the audience that he indeed is alive and well but also could be possibly saying that maybe he might have some hunch about Lincoln being his kid, regardless that it's no secret Joe has had plenty of one night stands, lol.
Right when Leo gets out of the car and sees Lincoln his face quickly goes into a surprised look right before he looks at Joe but only for a second.
Nice work 👍
He’s actually the car driver at the end when you meet the don
Did you watch the video
The resemblances are quite possible yet something holds me up - Lincoln was born January 1945, shown in his in files during ending cutscene, while Joe was forced to leave EB also in 1945 (dunno what month). It could've been stronger to be proven if Joe had been forced to leave in between March-May 1944.
January 45 is likely a false date.. Knowing he was born in 45? They may not of known the month so Jan 1st becomes the DOB.. Not uncommon then!
Im going with your theory. You gave facts and delivered and didn’t have to sugar coat it. Absolutely agree man.
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joe in mafia 3 took one good look at lincon so he knew that was his son
Wow. That can be actually possible.
The Mafia story is a really good one, and it has so much potential to become so deep and rich in lore. Hopefully they keep making Sequels and Prequels in the same universe with returning characters.
That would explain a lot. We should have gotten more details about his mom so that we could put the pieces together a little better.
I think it's way more subtle than that. I think Lincoln's father is the white man who sat down next to him at the train station when he first gets back from Vietnam and starts talking to him about what it was like to come home from war. The one who ended the talk by telling Lincoln to stay out of trouble. The one who eventually the first to find what was left of Uncle Lou. I think the times being what they were he was too afraid to step up and be a father, but did keep some tabs on his son. Actually, now that I think about it, considering Sammy used to run hookers it's possible he knew Lincoln's mother and father. Maybe Sammy asked for some sort of pay off for the loss of revenue since the dude got his worker pregnant, which may have been how he even found out.
I like the idea sal Marcano is Lincoln’s father. Puts a Shakespearean twist to the story
It's impossible, Lincoln was born at January 1945, 9 months later in 1945 is September..
This is something i will think about it all night tonight
I didn't realize that Joe was part of the deal.
Of course he was
Lincoln Clay was born in January 1945. His mother was Dominican, and Father James believes his father was Italian, but very little else is known. His mother abandoned him in 1947, where he came into the care of the Saint Michelle's Orphanage in the French Ward, New Bordeaux. Vito Scaletta returned home from WWII in February 1945. Joe Barbaro did not disappear until after Vito's trial, Lincoln was already a few months old by then.
jan1 is a place holder date if birth records cant confirm a month and day but they can confirm the year
Love it keep it coming
Lincoln Psychopath, where do only think he got the psychopathy from? Just from Joe Barbaro, we all remember in Mafia 2 how much Joe Barbaro is a psychopath compared to Vito
This game scenario is very deep.
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If this were real this is how I'd write Lincoln and Joe's relationship, at first Lincoln actually is mad at Joe for abandoning him along with his mother, and Joe can't accept the fact that he is his son. But once they're relationship grows, Joe sees this an opportunity of redemption after the life he lived as he gets older.
a sequel to mafia 3 with Joe and Lincoln finding the truth each other would be great
I could see Joe’s face resemblance on Lincoln, I believe this theory plus everything got to be connected since Mafia 2 characters are in Mafia 3.
Even though Henry may or may not have been a rat, he cared about Vito and Joe...
He actually was a rat. But a better rat than Micah Bell
*-Joe:* "Sammy never told you what happened to your father?"
*Lincoln:* "He told me enough. He told me that you killed him."
*-Joe:* "No, Lincoln. I am your father!"
*-Lincoln:* "Noooooooo!!!"
The way you explained it was really convincing it cloud be
Enzo Conti tells Lincoln Clay who his Father is and his mother without either of themknowing or realizing it.
That look tho 4:05
Figure that Leo Galante was the first one to find out that Joe's son is Lincoln, probably sources from the government or smth, he just wanted to make sure it is true when he sees him, damn the details.
4:34 that look is kinda like he wants to say "goddamn I'm proud of you my son"
When Vito first meets Lincoln with Sal? He gets an odd look before greeting Lincoln.. Vito would have been told this "Nigga coming to work with us.." So the being black? Wouldn't be the surprise.. So why shocked? Because he looks so much like Joe maybe? Or even already knew Joe might have a son? Idk.. It all fits tho!
You just blew my mind man holy shit I never thought of it this way that Joe is Lincoln's father 😓
W editing ❤
I'm sold on the idea!
They need to make a mafia 4 set in Florida or Las vegas
Be good if they could set it in different places like Italy as well as USA.
Do you know why Vito died?
Answer: because he does not laugh at Joe jokes.
,,Excuse me,do you have a mirror?Cause I can see myself in that pants''
Joe Barbaro 1945
This actually makes sense... Props
Good video
The old age mod for Lincoln makes him look more like an older version of Alex Hernandez, Lincoln's actor.
Maybe because they look the same, so they also look the same, when they get older🙄🤦♂️
I belive this theory is true cause lincon kinda looks like joe
Vaas Montenegro Lincoln was born in 1943 so it’s not true
@@donaldtrumpbestpresidentev4788 Lincoln was not born in 1943,who told you that?
Frank Castle ur mum
@@donaldtrumpbestpresidentev4788 congratulations,you're comedian
Frank Castle how y no 😧
It’s likely the deal that was struck between Leo and Joe was to have Joe stay away from Vito or else they kill Vito not Joe. Makes way more sense seeing in which how much Joe cares about Vito also they had a better opportunity to do it since Vito was practically all alone in New Bordeaux
Plus, Joe did fine without Vito! Really him bringing henry in is what caused the issues.. Tho Joe was just as much, prob more to blame for the war? The commission sees Joe do great, till Vito gets home from con college.. Then shit gets hairy.. Idk it never made sense Joe helped kill Carlo, why tf kill him? They clearly separated them.. For good reason!
Woooooow good thought, man!
I think it is his son for sure 🤟 the mafia series is my favorite I like it better than the GTA series
Why
@@kdmontana508 I think it's because when you look at Mafia, you look towards a mainly story based game. When you look at GTA, most of the popularity comes from their online gameplay. I'll admit, aside from the GTA characters, I forgot their campaign. Mafia really tried to produce an atmosphere that was sort of unique in a way because we didn't live during that time. As for now, when you look at Los Angeles, it's modern and something we are used to. Mafia also had a lot of characters that you stuck close to. Losing Henry traumatized me as much as the option of losing Roman from Liberty City. If you look at the original Mafia game, you get a whole lesson in the story with Tommy Angelo making the statement that those who ask for too much in life may risk losing everything and those who ask too little may not get anything at all. As for GTA, just buy a shark card. There's a lot of things I could be wrong about but there's something about Mafia that just keeps you wanting more.
Because mafia is more serious than gta
@@kdmontana508 because a parody of society is always enjoyable to play in but then again we like serious gangster mob media too. Gta is where you go with the boys to fuck around and accept the story for what it is, a mostly parody of society but a great parody with a great story. mafia is where you go for a quality story about a era rich with charm yet an era where every choice has huge ramifications that have serious consequences.Gta is online eith the boys, mafia is for the story for the individual. I love both series, this is just my opinion on how I view them
@@andrewnguyen8286 I never thought of it like that
Joe and Lincoln are father and son this brings me a tear of happiness
So I have a question.. how does one get ahold of that texture you showd of them both. I’m wanting to mod more of that. And don’t know which folder to find texture for skins in ?
Lol old Lincoln looks even more terrifying
Can I make an italian version of this video and upload to my channel?
Credits goes to you and I can't monetize the video.
I think Joe wearing vitos outfit is a nod to lando wearing han solo outfit after he is frozen in episode V
It makes sense. All three games are connected in some way or another. For example Vito and Joe kill Tommy. Vito has appeared in all three games. Now Joe has appeared in all three. Leo has appeared in two of the three.
I honestly never gave this a thought but it makes a lot of sense. They like to connect the games even if it is subtle. Shit even if they didnt intend this they might just take this idea lol
Wouldn't be surprised lol, Hangar 13 actually implemented the no hud & no speedometer + slow motion shooting AFTER I made videos on them. th-cam.com/video/qt7cTyCSHYY/w-d-xo.html & th-cam.com/video/fYk8VNC6YoM/w-d-xo.html
@@MafiaGameVideos they should give you credit for that at least lol. And unless they got really lazy and reused Barbaros face model with small adjustments for Lincoln, the resemblance is uncanny