Excellent video friend. There aren’t any videos out there. I wish I would have known this system before I started my walls. I had 400 linear feet of wall at 4 foot tall. So I used plywood and made my own framing and whalers etc. But I had a chance to set this system a couple months ago and learned it quickly and was surprised how easily the system installed. I recommended laying a plate but got vetoed and we struggled staying on our line. And when the guys poured it... it walked. So... plate is a good call.
In Alberta we don’t put guides for a wall check line we stand it every 5 panels braise and counter braise then we have ladder that goes on top of the wall and we draw the string line and straighten the walls after also we don’t have rebar blocking are way to the inside of the house if you know how to do rebar properly andulternate your ties on your rebar row it works so much easier
I worked with those forms for about 10 years and in my opinion for residential work they are the best once you get the hang of it you can set a foundation wall really fast
Plus it's a hell of a workout. We didn't have baskets to set them in/hoist them out we would boost the 8' panels out of the basement by hand. 95 degree IL summer days😂.
@@dominicwood3750 no it’s called form oil , it makes the wall look great , the forms come off way easier especially if there on for a few days , some jobs want to leave them on for a while and if there not oiled they will stick to the concrete almost baked on , saves the life of the forms big time!! You can roll it on just like painting , but most guys spay it on
@@michaelnewman5625 my boss had us cut the used motor oil that was drained out of the heavy equipment with diesel fuel - aka Hillbilly Form Release Agent
We have been using duraforms now for the past 35 years and we just put a top waller with the clamps , all the others stuff that u are using takes way to long to put on and we get the same straight walls , your way is good and keeps the walls nice and straight but time is what it’s all about , there is only three of us and we are doing two foundations in a week , six day week that is lol ... Ontario Canada.... nice work pal , cheers....
So funny that I click on this and there is Dave Staab, a man I used to work with! Never used this system, but it looks pretty efficient for 8 foot walls.
Looks good, we do 9’ walls all the time about 4-5 a week with these forms. You definitely over built this with the walers top and bottom, bottom plate, and strong backs. We only put top waler on and kickers on every corner, as well as wherever they are needed to get the wall straight Looks good none the less I’m sure the wall came out great!
Been thinking about getting into this work, my cousin has been doing it for 7 years now says it’s a lot of work but pays real good. Would you recommend getting into this ?
@@boysinblue1786 yes if your passionate about concrete! And really depends what your future plans are I wouldn’t go into anything in construction if you didn’t have a goal to own the company or atleast be in a management position so you aren’t packing forms at 40+ years old Learning this trade you can make some serious money if you know how to run it
@@Kademaddox1my boys are going to college but if they weren't I would recommend they operate heavy equipment, HVAC or become electricians as far as the trades go, maybe plumber - I was able to retire as a union carpenter at age 55 so I'm not too tore up, luckily
Up hear in Canada 🇨🇦 we call em dura forms . Ive worked with these forms for 10 years . Even made 19’ walls with em by stacking em on top of ecother and staggering every other for to inter lock em . Was good
We also spray our forms from the scaffolding after all the panels are standing , we use a Briggs and Stratton sprayer motor on a tank that is our sprayer.....
As a concrete finisher form setter I've worked with different forms Simon forms efco forms and stuff like that how long does it take you on a typical job to have a set up and ready to pour a week with a good crew
In southern Ontario we call this system duraforms been doing this job for 28 years 6 bar systems are stackable to 30ft some people just have to have squash courts lol
4 inch corner then Place your starting wall panels then measure then level double check measure then you close you corners with to 12s and your one inch
Alot of advantages to this form system. You can rent them or if you decide to buy they are about 1/3 the cost of aluminum forms. They are light and easy to work with. Disadvantages, they last about 1/3 the pours compared to aluminum. Not near as strong. The more you pour with them the scary each pour becomes. They look nice for the first 10 to 20 pours but go noticeably down after that. If you pour 4 to 10 basements a year I would look at these, fewer and I would rent. If more I would suggest aluminum. One big problem with aluminum is, you cannot rent the forms unless you have a friend that has a set as well. So either find a good friend or plan on buying what you need and yes they are expensive, very expensive. One big advantage to aluminum forms is you can go 3 feet by 9 foot and small forms can go 3 or 4 foot way. They are extremely fast if you get the right set.
Lol '10 - 20 pours' - if you keep them well-oiled, cleaned and don't abuse the sh*t out of them they will last hundreds of pours(30 years as a union concrete carpenter in NE IL)
@Christoph-sd3zi im a union carpenter central illinois. We have aluminum forms. We have added to them but still have and use all the original ones. We bought them new in 2005. Wood is counted by the hundreds. Aluminum will be well into the 1000s, if taken care of.
@Christoph-sd3zi i said the best looking pours with wood forms will be the first 10 to 20. Which is very true. Yes they will last hundreds but become noticeably worse the older they get. Union carpenter since 86. Run bridge crews until 2005 when we started a basement company. Yes I know all about the different kind of forms, with advantages and disadvantages.
Its easier to never pry on the panel your latching. Always pry the tie from the set panel as to not move the form all around. Nice work guys! & I've done hundreds of walls!
My whole family survived off of using this system. Im the smallest guy youll see slingin forms. My dad bought 300+ feet of 8 footers when i was born and they still make money to this day. P.s im 22
Great instructional video, very detailed explanations, and thanks to the experienced guys wit their comments. I did not quite follow what the 2 x 8 was for on the top of the wall.🙂
Built wall taller then grad . Put in grad nails in with Transit. snap line top of nail Cut thine strips of wood out of Strat edge slates 1/4 in thick put on with grad nails.
You should close your corners last check 12 and 12 on both sides Built inside corner first close outside corners last so you can move the wall with a 2x4 and Sledgehammer.
Ouch, hard on the bottom of the forms. I worked on a crew that regularly needed to do that for a while. When I got to be the foreman we spend just a little more time checking an keeping level plus cleaning the edges. That said I stayed in the habit and buttoned the corners up last because you know ... thinks happen.😐
I agree. The top of the wall is the thing you worry about. As long as there is no honeycomb,the wall is in the proper place dimension wise and top is smooth and level for framers you are good as the rest will be backfilled
Up hear in Canada 🇨🇦 we call em dura forms . Ive worked with these forms for 10 years . Even made 19’ walls with em by stacking em on top of ecother and staggering every other for to inter lock em . Was good
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Excellent video friend. There aren’t any videos out there. I wish I would have known this system before I started my walls. I had 400 linear feet of wall at 4 foot tall. So I used plywood and made my own framing and whalers etc. But I had a chance to set this system a couple months ago and learned it quickly and was surprised how easily the system installed. I recommended laying a plate but got vetoed and we struggled staying on our line. And when the guys poured it... it walked. So... plate is a good call.
Used these forms for almost 15 years. This was a blast from the past, Ty!
So easy compared to Symons with the wailers and stiff-backs and wedge pins and the rest of that BS.
That is a pretty slick system. Cool video
In Alberta we don’t put guides for a wall check line we stand it every 5 panels braise and counter braise then we have ladder that goes on top of the wall and we draw the string line and straighten the walls after also we don’t have rebar blocking are way to the inside of the house if you know how to do rebar properly andulternate your ties on your rebar row it works so much easier
I worked with those forms for about 10 years and in my opinion for residential work they are the best once you get the hang of it you can set a foundation wall really fast
Plus it's a hell of a workout. We didn't have baskets to set them in/hoist them out we would boost the 8' panels out of the basement by hand. 95 degree IL summer days😂.
Nice job , didn’t notice any form oil , nice to spray it on as you stand it , easier to strip and wall looks great and saves the life of the forms
I thinking of board formed concrete for a self build house with unfinished walls. Does the oil mark or stain the concrete?
Takes too long just pour from the top
@@dominicwood3750 no it’s called form oil , it makes the wall look great , the forms come off way easier especially if there on for a few days , some jobs want to leave them on for a while and if there not oiled they will stick to the concrete almost baked on , saves the life of the forms big time!! You can roll it on just like painting , but most guys spay it on
@@Jovan13579 if you have a 4 foot wall you can oil it after you build it from the top , but you can’t cover the 8 foot from the top
@@michaelnewman5625 my boss had us cut the used motor oil that was drained out of the heavy equipment with diesel fuel - aka Hillbilly Form Release Agent
We have been using duraforms now for the past 35 years and we just put a top waller with the clamps , all the others stuff that u are using takes way to long to put on and we get the same straight walls , your way is good and keeps the walls nice and straight but time is what it’s all about , there is only three of us and we are doing two foundations in a week , six day week that is lol ... Ontario Canada.... nice work pal , cheers....
So funny that I click on this and there is Dave Staab, a man I used to work with! Never used this system, but it looks pretty efficient for 8 foot walls.
Looks good, we do 9’ walls all the time about 4-5 a week with these forms.
You definitely over built this with the walers top and bottom, bottom plate, and strong backs.
We only put top waler on and kickers on every corner, as well as wherever they are needed to get the wall straight
Looks good none the less I’m sure the wall came out great!
Been thinking about getting into this work, my cousin has been doing it for 7 years now says it’s a lot of work but pays real good. Would you recommend getting into this ?
@@boysinblue1786 yes if your passionate about concrete! And really depends what your future plans are
I wouldn’t go into anything in construction if you didn’t have a goal to own the company or atleast be in a management position so you aren’t packing forms at 40+ years old
Learning this trade you can make some serious money if you know how to run it
@@Kademaddox1my boys are going to college but if they weren't I would recommend they operate heavy equipment, HVAC or become electricians as far as the trades go, maybe plumber - I was able to retire as a union carpenter at age 55 so I'm not too tore up, luckily
Up hear in Canada 🇨🇦 we call em dura forms . Ive worked with these forms for 10 years . Even made 19’ walls with em by stacking em on top of ecother and staggering every other for to inter lock em . Was good
We also spray our forms from the scaffolding after all the panels are standing , we use a Briggs and Stratton sprayer motor on a tank that is our sprayer.....
What type of form oil do you use that you are allowed to spray it on the rebar and footing?
As a concrete finisher form setter I've worked with different forms Simon forms efco forms and stuff like that how long does it take you on a typical job to have a set up and ready to pour a week with a good crew
In southern Ontario we call this system duraforms been doing this job for 28 years 6 bar systems are stackable to 30ft some people just have to have squash courts lol
4 inch corner then Place your starting wall panels then measure then level double check measure then you close you corners with to 12s and your one inch
Alot of advantages to this form system. You can rent them or if you decide to buy they are about 1/3 the cost of aluminum forms. They are light and easy to work with. Disadvantages, they last about 1/3 the pours compared to aluminum. Not near as strong. The more you pour with them the scary each pour becomes. They look nice for the first 10 to 20 pours but go noticeably down after that. If you pour 4 to 10 basements a year I would look at these, fewer and I would rent. If more I would suggest aluminum. One big problem with aluminum is, you cannot rent the forms unless you have a friend that has a set as well. So either find a good friend or plan on buying what you need and yes they are expensive, very expensive. One big advantage to aluminum forms is you can go 3 feet by 9 foot and small forms can go 3 or 4 foot way. They are extremely fast if you get the right set.
Lol '10 - 20 pours' - if you keep them well-oiled, cleaned and don't abuse the sh*t out of them they will last hundreds of pours(30 years as a union concrete carpenter in NE IL)
@Christoph-sd3zi im a union carpenter central illinois. We have aluminum forms. We have added to them but still have and use all the original ones. We bought them new in 2005. Wood is counted by the hundreds. Aluminum will be well into the 1000s, if taken care of.
@Christoph-sd3zi i said the best looking pours with wood forms will be the first 10 to 20. Which is very true. Yes they will last hundreds but become noticeably worse the older they get. Union carpenter since 86. Run bridge crews until 2005 when we started a basement company. Yes I know all about the different kind of forms, with advantages and disadvantages.
Its easier to never pry on the panel your latching. Always pry the tie from the set panel as to not move the form all around. Nice work guys! & I've done hundreds of walls!
I was getting ready to comment the same thing about prying on the panel that has the tie in it
Was thinking this too, and I’ve done millions of walls
I'd love to get those brackets though. Do you know the name for brackets that goes onto form ready for wall ties
Excellent job
How much was your rental of the forms? For your build.
My whole family survived off of using this system. Im the smallest guy youll see slingin forms. My dad bought 300+ feet of 8 footers when i was born and they still make money to this day.
P.s im 22
Can you just buy and notch out our 2 ft x8 foot mdo plywood and do a similar system. I like Simon's forms the most, but they're quite pricy
Great instructional video, very detailed explanations, and thanks to the experienced guys wit their comments. I did not quite follow what the 2 x 8 was for on the top of the wall.🙂
Needed extra height for customer
@@dgstaabit's worth a little extra money for a 9' or 10' basement
Are there any footer drains?
Where can people rent these forms?
8"" wall 12 and 12 on out side corner 10''' Wall 14 and14 on out side corner
Built wall taller then grad . Put in grad nails in with Transit. snap line top of nail Cut thine strips of wood out of Strat edge slates 1/4 in thick put on with grad nails.
Your supposed to bang your pannels off when you’re stripping so concrete isn’t stuck in the notch ,
Great video BTW
You should close your corners last check 12 and 12 on both sides Built inside corner first close outside corners last so you can move the wall with a 2x4 and Sledgehammer.
Ouch, hard on the bottom of the forms. I worked on a crew that regularly needed to do that for a while. When I got to be the foreman we spend just a little more time checking an keeping level plus cleaning the edges. That said I stayed in the habit and buttoned the corners up last because you know ... thinks happen.😐
My form guy had these in Massachusetts he did not do much bracing and they where very fast setting them
Way overkill, snap a line and run em, brace them when they’re about to fall over. Really nice job though, it’s just more of a hack and slash thing
Did all this for custom homes for 4 or 5 years liked the work
put staging on out side of wall make ramps to catwalk or staging
We Built And Poor in one Day
Hey David that looks neat maybe we can work together in the future
Best part of the video is “ we had 4 yesterday and three today “ lol very typical
Can they be layed horizontally like Simon forms?
Call them for your dimensions and they will make your dreams come true
Where about are you building no .??
Well explained
hi david are these rented forms?
Yes rental
@@dgstaab where can we rent them I am in the mod west
Top with mag
That’s over done like crazy!! Not how you do a dura form basement at all
I agree. The top of the wall is the thing you worry about. As long as there is no honeycomb,the wall is in the proper place dimension wise and top is smooth and level for framers you are good as the rest will be backfilled
not mag but a trial
no bueno güero
Uhm..
Up hear in Canada 🇨🇦 we call em dura forms . Ive worked with these forms for 10 years . Even made 19’ walls with em by stacking em on top of ecother and staggering every other for to inter lock em . Was good
Yes , with the six bar system you can keep stacking them on top of one another.... we are doing that in Ontario Canada....