Keeping SEVERAL Reptile Species Together In One Enclosure | My Controversial Advice on Reptile Cohab
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- Is keeping different species of reptiles and amphibians in the same enclosure worth the risk? What are the best species to keep in a multispecies cohab together? There is a right way to do it and we're going to discuss how and if it's worth the risk?
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Do you keep multiple species together? which ones?
african dwarf frogs and a couple of fish.
I am going to house 8cm(around 3 inch)Geckos and 4cm(around 1.5 inch)frogs together.They eat the same,need the same temperatur and humidity,so i dont see any point why i shouldnt keep them together
Isopods with springtails. I wasn’t sure about the risk, but it worked out really well.
Springtales amd Garter Snakes, some Garters even with plants to add to the aesthetic.
Garden pond has 1 red ear slider 3 common musk turtles assorted fish speices and a 1 common water snake
Awesome enclosure, great video! If you keep fish this is not something new. You need to consider pH, temperature, temperament, relative size (predator/prey), aquarium size, hiding spots, watch for aggression/dominance.... Sounds like if we do the same things in our reptile hobby then we'll be just fine!
sounds about right! It's super cool to watch them all move around!
As someone keeping dwarf frogs a beta fish and neon tetras in the same tank, yes exactly all these things come from different continents and they can live completely fine together, you do have to observe and do regular checks especially in the beginning but is not rocket science and you shouldn’t be demonized if everyone is happy and healthy
Definitely. These are some very good points which should be taken into consideration
@Rick Croney I came here to say that exact thing.
I'd like to see a video about species that do better housed in communities of that same species, vs alone. Like garter snakes, etc.
I always compare it to fish, It is totally normal in the aquarium hobby to have 10+ species in a larger setup; Difference is they more or less have cohabitation down to a science, There are very detailed charts and guides available to give you a general idea of what can happily live with what. Problem is numerous fish lives were probably lost in the process of trial and error to gain that knowledge, Sacrifices that are thankfully way less acceptable today than they were many years back. Not at all against reptile/amphibian cohabitation as I do believe it can be done well but I do strongly approve of the general hesitancy and caution towards doing so.
fair points
I would advise to feed the isopods and springtails for the first month or so or they might die out (putting a small thin slice of fruit, vegetable or beer yeast if you only have springtails under a leaf will suffice)
It's really the same with cohabing any animals. Whether is herps, fish, inverts, exotic or cage birds or farm animals... You just have to think in detail of how they are going to effect each other, wether by contamination they may cause, vehavioral stress, or demand for resources, or needs. Additionally I've seen senerios where mixed cohab was used to create enrichment and reduce intraspecies aggression. (Guinea pigs are said to distract exotic pheasant from conflict and agression with each other)
well said!
It certainly can work if the animals are compatible and there is enough space. I would add that it can be a good idea to choose different species that will be drawn to different parts of the enclosure. This makes efficient use of the space, and it makes it less likely that different species will be competing for the same favorite branch or hiding place. For example, many years ago, I had an enclosure with green anoles who spent most of their time climbing on the plants and decorations, fire bellied toads who were usually on the ground and in the shallow areas of the water, and newts who were almost always in the water, usually in the deeper areas where the toads seldom went. Since each species occupied its own niche, they didn't get in each other's way and didn't compete for food.
One type of animal that I wouldn't try to keep with other species would be a snake. Most snakes are antisocial, and since they can eat food that is considerably bigger than they are, it might be hard to find an animal that the snake can't eat but would also not eat or harm the snake. Maybe a large enclosure with a water area could have turtles or large, non-carnivorous fish in the water and a snake on the land, but I can't think of much else that would work.
Could you make a video covering several different options for compatible species? I’m also interested in potentially having some pet insects, as well, if that’s possible.
Yeah!!! I love when people argue!
hahahha
Joshs frog states that small frogs like lemurs, bird poops, hourglass, and clown tree frogs can be kept fine with darts. Id imagine glass frogs too.
Ive seen many zoos keep emerald tree boas with darts too so that's cool. Ive also seen people keep more neotropical anoles/lizard's and micro geckos with darts.
Ive wondered about lesser known cohabs. Like golden mantellas with pygmy chameleons or dwarf neon day geckos. Giant day gecko with tomato frog.
Or something like a jeweled lacerta with greek tortoise.
Great video! Sick of seeing people say “you can’t keep this and that together because “it’s not known to work” these people clearly don’t understand that we wouldn’t know if something can live with something else, if no one tries it. Good to see someone being reasonable and not just regurgitating what they hear from others. We need to try things if this hobby is ever going to progress!
Exactly!
I think something has to be said to this. It's not about whether something is possible. It's about whether there is an actual benefit to the animal(s) in doing it.
Since some arguments were brought up from the aquarium hobby (in other comments, not here), I'll start with this:
In my opinion, there are two reasons to keep different species together that could benefit both (or at least one of them, while not negatively effecting the other; if you know more reasons please let me know):
1. There are certain species that are less shy than others. Those less shy fish can then over time make the other fish in that tank less shy. The shy fish see the bold ones swimming around in the open and not get attacked -> they feel safer.
Well that's the idea anyways.
2. The 2nd species fulfills a certain role in the system. For example algae eaters like Otocinclus spp. in an aquarium, snails,... you get the idea. Similar in function to isopods & springtails - a clean up crew. Yes, Otocinclus aren't microfauna but I think you get the idea.
Regarding 1.:
I've heard of people using certain Anolis spp. to "socialize" some Phelsuma spp., which again can long term lead to the Phelsuma (I think it was P. quadriocellata sp.) experiencing less stress.
So from that perspective I understand that this could be tried if common sense is applied and the choice of species is made with due consideration.
One could argue that once the bold species has made the other less shy, they could just be removed to another tank again, since they've fulfilled the purpose of their cohabitation. And you'd have a second tank available anyways, since you have to be able to separate the species if something goes wrong initially. I'm not sure if the removal is necessary since this might just make the shy species return to their old ways.
Anyways, onto point 2.:
In an aquarium there are 2 things that could require cleaning: algae and poop (there's more but not relevant here in my opinion). A filter (biological and/or mechanical) and water changes are managing the poop situation, certain fish/snails/manual cleaning deal with algae. Of course this is a simplified look at things, but there is no point in diving deeper into the matter here.
Now, what could be the problem in a terrarium: basically just poop. And if it's a paludarium the same things I just talked about apply to the aquatic section.
So let's talk about poop in a terrestrial or arboreal setting. Can anyone name an amphibian/reptile species that solely eats poop? I can't. So basically reason 2. doesn't apply here for any herp cohabitation.
Which leaves us with reason 1. "socialization" as the only (!!!) reason to actually even consider this in the first place.
Another argument that could be made is that the interaction between the different species provides stimulation to the animals.
At first glance, that seems to make sense, however when we really look into it, it doesn't. Or at least this is certainly not the safest way (or even a safe way) to provide stimulation/enrichment.
We can rearrange enclosures, set up climbing areas in our homes (think of a cat tree for instance), etc....
Of course this varies a lot from species to species.
Even the fact that it "works" alone is not an acceptable reason to do it - do we really know if it's not stressing out the animals? So maybe we should just ask ourselves:
If we provide enough space for both species in a cohab situation, why don't we just split the same space accordingly into two enclosures and don't take the risk of endangering our animals' welfare?
Because we want to pay a lower electricity bill?
Because it "looks cooler"?
Most certainly we're not doing it for the animals.*
*Apart from reason 1. in some circumstances, as explained above.
**Edit: Naturally occuring symbiosis would be another reason.
Wow! I absolutely love that set up! Those Amazon Milk frogs are next on my list. This was super informative and would be interested in other species that could cohab.
Literally was researching cohabitation a few hours before this dropped. How timely!
I'm looking at putting mourning geckos with some sort of dart frog, or day geckos with Madagascar ground geckos. Do you think the latter would work?
Great video as always!
ehhh nice!
I live in Czech republic and all zoos have at least one enclosure with 5+ reptile species, for example an enclosure with 2 local species of Lacertas and 3 local ringed/grass snakes, another zoo kept uromastyxs with baby tutles, or three species of agamidae + one type of a gecko + a legless lizard....
Taky čech 😂
I agree with you for the most part. Something that I'd add is that cohabbing multiple species is for experienced keepers. Not even "advanced," just "have had a reptile before." People need to know how to read care info, research their own, understand what they're reading, understand what their animals are trying to tell them. This practice is not for "why are my snake's eyes turning blue and cloudy" level keepers. Sorry to gatekeep but it's true.
as someone with fish tanks where many different types of fish are kept together i was surprised by how uncommon it was in the reptile hobby. i say that if they do well together and they wont bother each other then yes
fair
This display is better than the TV.
I've been in the hobby for close to 50 yrs. and I've co-habed different species for years. I currently have a 55 gallon. semi-desert setup housing a Standing's day gecko a Wallburg's gecko and a Sauvignys a gama. They've been together for years and get along fine. The setup is planted and bioactive. All have their territories and never is there any aggression.
that's so cool!
Would love to see a top 5 list of most practical cross species cohab setups
Some options i’m considering in the future (which others have had success with) are:
Outdoor desert iguana and collared lizard in arizona
Emerald tree boa, giant day geckos, and frogs (multiple species options) in a very large enclosure
Green anoles, house geckos, american tree frogs, asian long tails, and rough green snakes in large vivarium (maybe fish also)
Painted turtles and red eared sliders
What im curious about:
Are there any turtle species that can cohab with caiman lizards or chinese water dragons in a huge setup with redundant filter systems for a pond? (200+ gallon water area, at least 4x8x6 space on land as well)
Definitely need the care guide! I plan on getting a day gecko soon.
Replying to boost it, I want a day gecko care guide
such a great lizard man, i adore my female
I love it wicked wickens reptile have a cool day wicked wickens reptile
legend!
I really like how you encourage keepers to "overestimate" the size they need, it really shows that you put the animals first 👍
we hatched a pair of Crested Geckos and kept them in the same 18*18*24 while they were still hatchlings but they demonstrated pretty quickly that they were NOT going to get along. As you said WATCH YOUR ANIMALS, because temperament can be such an individual trait and it's a potential deal-breaker for cohabitation.
You shouldn’t put baby reptiles with the adults. There’s even footage of tortoise ganging up to eat a hatchling of the same species
@@josecat436 absolutely true. in my case they were the only two individuals in that tank and still had issues. Just goes to show you gotta be ready to run out and grab a new tank at any time 😄
Great enclosure I also house dart frogs with my mourning geckos such a good combo
awesome!
The only things I'd add would be:
- Always always always have a backup plan, and a backup plan for your backup plan. Have extra enclosures ready to go if some don't get along. Have quarantine enclosures ready to go if one of them gets sick. Have a first aid kit on hand and a vet lined up in case they fight and one gets injured. Etc etc
- Never cohab to save money or effort, because it's more expensive and more difficult. If you can't afford two solo enclosures, you can't afford to cohab
- Animals crowding together in hiding/basking spots is not "cuddling" or any show of affection for most species; it's usually competing for heat, hides, etc because other spots, if there are any, are not as good
There are exceptions to every rule of course, but I think a lot of people want to cohab for the wrong reasons and have a lot of misconceptions about it. Great video as always, nice to see someone finally keep a level head about this lol
I have been asking you this question but I am enclosing a bedroom so I'm basically able to give them a huge area with a pond and waterfall and grapevines going everywhere just was wanting some ideas I have 3 2500 watt LEDs with uvb and have a 6 inch exhaust fan hooked up to a humidistat so I can keep the humidity and temperature under control! I basically want to make a living room lol!! I put pond liner on the floor and it goes 2 feet up the walls and then I painted the walls and ceiling with epoxy resin to seal everything!! I plan on making some foam and epoxy rock wall features!
Wow, this was so very timely for me!! I'm thinking about doing mourning geckos with my starry night reed frogs buy I have not done the research yet - this vid really helps with wrapping my head around what parameters I need to make sure everyone is healthy and happy.
hope it was helpful :)
@@WickensWickedReptiles I think I'm going to go for it. I don't technically need a bigger enclosure but I'm having a hard time envisioning where to put the basking light without one. I'm also a little concerned about competition for food, but if I have a second larger enclosure, I can always separate them back out if it doesn't work out lol
Aw, that's like the cutest little community!
You are so kind
Several years ago a good friend and myself built a large (approx 100gal) bio-active paludarium. It was the most amazing and challenging project I’ve ever undertaken and after a few months (when everything was established) it looked amazing! There was a waterfall with a recirculating eheim filter, a large shallow “pond” & both forest and meadow-y areas. We had been breeding turtles at that time and two residents (for up to 1 year) were a baby eastern box turtle and a baby spotted turtle. Some arboreal residents were several species of tree frogs (2 local, 1 tropical) and a fairly large pool which was was home to a pair of eastern newts, glass shrimp, tadpoles (of the tree frog species) and my buddy added a male betta as an experiment. The animals had tons of hiding areas on every level. We purchased tiny species of ferns (“fluffy ruffles), tiny flowering forest plants (sinningia), varous species of moss and many other aquatic & terrestrial plants. Springtails and “pill bugs” soon established themselves and were an excellent “cleanup” crew. Once the moss and ferns overtook the waterfall we noticed the tank would cycle through a normal “day” starting with a foggy, misty morning. Watching the animals behave naturally in an environment they all felt comfortable was extremely rewarding. Amazingly (perhaps b/c they were so tiny and kept very ewell-fed) the hatchling turtles never attacked any of their neighbors.
an old friend 15+ years ago had a reptile cohab enclosure for years- its actually how I got so obsessed with this kind of stuff to begin with
amazing!
Care guide will be fantastic! Thank you!
Great, realistic, informative video. 👍
This was great info! Thank you for taking the time to do these very educational vids.
Glad it was helpful!
I have a Russian tortoise, bearded dragon, and leapard gecko living together successfully for over a year. Definitely space is a big factor! I love your videos they have helped me since I started in this hobby 3 years ago. Thank You for your great advice!!!!
"watch you animals, you have to supervise, you have to be watching your animals to make sure that they're getting along, they're not getting sick they don't feel stressed" => how can you not like this channel? keep up with the great work!❤️
The larger the enclosure, the more likely cohabitation will work. Even species that should be kept in social groups don't do well if they're crammed together.
Great video and beautiful setup! Maybe I'll be brave enough to try a cohab setup one day 😁 this info is a helpful starting point if I do.
thanks for watching!!
love your vids so much keep it up
Have a couple I co-hab: red eyed croc skink with dart frogs and goldust day geckos with red eyed tree frogs. Have had them together for years and done extremely well!
interesting combo!
@@WickensWickedReptiles any they thrive together! The croc skink is hand fed too. In the large paludarium they’re in, he looks like a dragon protecting other creatures
Very interesting.
Love your enclosures.
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The images are always amazing, but man, how outstanding they where in this video! Congrats!
thank you very much!
Good stuff! Thanks!
I would love a care guide for both but especially for your milk frogs. I didn't even know about them till I started following you but now I'm crazy about them and would love to add some to my tiny collection some day.
Planning my build of a enclosure, and this helped me for making the decision on day geckos and dart frogs.
Great video as always
You are top notch brother! I Enjoy the content very much!
Can be done but like you said make sure they are compatible and make sure they are parisite and disease free before even considering it.
Thank you for a great video! A multispecies cohab is a dream tank for me but I have much more research to do yet.
Alot of the advice here is really great! Even for cohabitation of the same species, this advice is applicable and useful!
totally agree!
I've been working on keeping little Ground skinks with a smooth ground snake. So far it's worked out. There is a supply of worms and slugs and they all forage. Sometimes even during the day. The snake is shy, so it stays away from the larger skinks. So far so good. About a week into it.
1 important thing I think you should've mentioned is to make sure the species aren't a risk of disease to eachother. I know some frog species carry certain diseases that could be fatal for certain reptiles. So although they may have the same requirements and not be aggressive towards eachother, they could still be a bad matchup.
that is true
This was a great video. There aren't much in internet, witch animals you can keep together in such terrariums. Do more of this!
love all the vids keep it up
thank you!
This is brilliant! I've been hoping to see more people cover how if at all this could be done safely for the animals!
Amazing video! Its very interesting to see this two animlas live in one enclousure🦎 and we definetly need a care guide!
Dope WWR video
love the video and the enclosure Adam!
thank you!
Do a giant day gecko care guide video and milk frog video
I adore cohabbing. I've done pits my entire reptile keeping life which means a crazy amount of space for my animals. Beardies, blueys and stumpies (shinglebacks) all cooperate really well together, especially with that much space. There is a cut off, though. One of my main disagreements with one of my mates is he had a medium sized carpet python in with stumpies 🤔they're no longer in together because one of the stumpies just decided to have a crazy panic attack (probably because he was living with an actual native predator) and the keeper separated them, thankfully before anything went wrong.
I had a tree frog and 4 anoles, every other day a anole would come up missing , it was also recommended by the pet shop I purchased ftom
You are one of those people that get me thinking about getting more reptiles then just my banana pie ballpython! Keep posting those video's. *Cheers from Belgium*
cheers!
I personally love this idea and would love to do something similar in the future. Visual barriers and plenty of hides is definitely the best even when keeping individually it helps the species feel safe and even skittish species like crocodile skinks definitely benefit and you’ll usually see them more. Doesn’t sound right but definitely helps and I’ve personally had great success doing so and now have a little army of red eyed crocodile skinks
There's not much care info about them but I really wanted to try a worm snake/blind snake with an arboreal lizard. Where I used to live they'd live under a log next to a tree where lizards used to bask. They don't get big and eat worms and isopods and are alway almost burrowed. It's size makes it so a smaller lizard wouldn't wanna attack it and it couldn't hurt a lizard either. I wanted to try in a bioactive to keep isopod populations in control thought it could be neat.
Animals that can be kept together outside pretty common are stuff like tiliqua, beardies, water dragons and pretty much any medium-large skink
awesome!
@@WickensWickedReptiles I meant to say here in Australia
I love this idea! I’ve always wanted a day gecko and love milk frogs. Just need to make the jump and do it.
Great video Adam I'd love a enclosure reaction video just finished My first bioactive enclosure
Awesome video Adam
Thanks!
Yes, we would love to see care guides for Madagascan giant day geckos and Amazon milk frogs!
I have a big cohab bioactive with 3x Phyllobates terribilis, 1x Gonatodes albogularis fuscus and 3x Heterixalus alboguttatus it’s been going for 3 years now without any problems what so ever :)
awesome!
I was just thinling about what is good to cohab lol. Read my mind! I am still fairly ner to keeping so cohabing id a ways down the road for me. But I would love to get a gecko frog set up someday! Really getting into those milk frogs just beautiful animals. I still havent gotten the nerve to change my beardie to bioactive but I have all the stuff lol. But my emerald tree skink (darn you clint!) Is doung wonderfully in his bio setup. Addicting to do bioactives lol
very cool
Oh my god I need that shirt!!!
i've got a brown anole and a american green tree frog together in a 10 gallon terarium.
Love this video would love to see one talking about what you could cohabitate with dart frogs
mourning geckos and similar sized tree frogs basically
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Such good info👍
Glad you think so!
I keep a red eye tree frog in the same vivarium with a rough green tree snake and they do very good one another
really eh"?
Wow great video!!
Thanks!
I keep a checkered garter snake with a pair of juvenile banded water snakes.
Years ago, I kept a gopher snake and a red tailed boa together in a large enclosure. They seemed to do fine, ate fine, expressed no interest in each other and didn't really interact at all.
Yes to Giant Day Gecko care guide please!!! Keep up the great job on the videos!
Coming soon!
Amazing enclosure!
Thank you!
Dang! I always try to guess who your cohost will be, either Diamond or Little Foot. Definitely did not guess it wouldn't be anyone!
I don’t personally but if you do it right I agree! Keep up the good work! Can’t wait to see ya be #1! Have a great day!
Awesome! Thank you!
@@WickensWickedReptiles really enjoy the videos! See y’all on Thursday
I am getting a yellow belly pastel python on the first of the month
Those giant day geckos are simply gorgeous 😍 great video:)) well so far, I've never been this early before haha
Thanks so much! 😊
It depends on species you wanna keep. But so long as the enclosure is big enough, and there's a enough food, water & places for them to hide/chill.
I’d like to do this with fish, a day gecko, and two dumpy tree frog
I totally agree with cohabitation if it happens in the wild, and they have enough room, but gotta do the research right!
Speaking of Costa Rica, you have more vids coming for us?
Yes!! I need a care guide for milk frogs. I have decided that this is the Frog species I want and am getting ready to build a bioactive in a 29 gallon aquarium. I hoping to find 2 or 3 frogs at an expo in the next few months.
Giant day gecko is going to be my next project since I can actually find them near me. I’d love more on them personally
I have a 32 x 18 x 18 and I have 4 gray treefrogs and wanted a chubby frog, they have same humidity, heat and feeding and the tree frogs are up in the sticks and plants and the chubby frog could burrow
I keep crickets an lizards together an crickets an my frog together lol 😆 😂 thats my cohabitation but it never lasts long lol 😆
hahha
I have my crested gecko with cb grey tree frogs they have the similar temp and humidity requirements and they are in a 4ft x 2ft x 2ft with a temperature and even slight humidity gradient
nice!
I have a nice 36x36 exotera with four green tree skinks I would like to put something else that would be more to the bottom the skinks stay up too. It's a nice bio all planted up.
They are known to burrow and mine sometimes lay on the ground so be careful.
let me know how it goes!
Great job!! Love it, now I need to get my husband on board with a tank like that! 😂
good luck!
That setup is ice 🧊🥶
thanks dawg
Love your videos thank you! Also question for you, what tank is that? What are the dime sion?
If I ever branch away from snakes & arachnids (I had lizards as a kid) I’ve always dreamt of a massive bioactive build with various small lizards and small frogs, with a tropical fish pond below. It would be a lot of work, research & upkeep but damn it would be gorgeous.
that would be dope!
@@WickensWickedReptiles something @SerpaDesign would do for sure haha. Loved this video bro, your video work is getting elite.
This is really a interesting subject. I know garters, while they may be the same species, they do better with a community. So it's interesting looking at different species.
I don't have a multiple species enclosure yet but I want to do a dart frog and red eye green tree frog one someday!
that would be wild
I also always thought, in a way, they are sort of enriched. Like they'll have to "deal" with another animal in the enclosure. Not to the point where they're stressed obviously, but I guess a "companion" is the word I'm looking for although not exactly lol.
Someday I plan to add Neon Day Geckos to my 36x36x18. I currently have a mossy frog and the bottom has endlers, guppies, kuhli loaches and African dwarf frogs. I have two land areas and a large branch connecting them. All live plants in and out of the water. Yes my frog has hunted a few fish. But they keep breeding like rabbits so it is ok.
I really want to have a giant day gecko/amazon milk frog cohab setup some day tbh, but I'm not going to rush that. I've also always wanted to keep a fire skink with something aboreal since they're a burrowing species - I believe their care requirements mix well with giant day geckos and amazon milk frogs actually, but man, the possibility of the fire skink turning on the day geckos worries me a whole lot. Not to mention the size of that enclosure! It'd need to be like, at least two 40g longs stacked on top of each other. It would probably be okay if I had like, a crazy 100g enclosure, but it might be easier to just get two separate enclosures at that point!