The history of the KOH-I-NOOR DIAMOND | Why does India want the Koh-i-Noor back? Famous royal jewels
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- It’s arguably the MOST FAMOUS JEWEL in the world, but it’s also supposedly been CURSED and STOLEN from its true owners. The Koh-i-noor (also called the Kohinoor or the Koh-i-nur diamond) has had a fascinating and contentious existence and one which we’ll explore in this royal jewels documentary from History Calling as we sift fact from fiction.
Originally from India, it supposedly curses all men who wear it and so the diamond is now only worn by women. It is currently part of the British Crown Jewels and kept in the Tower of London within the Queen Consort’s Crown, but the story of how the Koh-i-noor (which means Mountain of Light) came to Britain in 1850 in order to be presented to Queen Victoria is one of the great controversies around the stone, as is the issue of who owns the Koh-i-noor diamond today. As part of the colonisation of India by the British, the then 11 year old Maharaja Duleep Singh was supposedly made to hand over the jewel to James Broun-Ramsay, Lord Dalhousie, who was then the Governor General of India. Though he did confirm a few years later that he wished for Victoria to have it, the circumstances of its original removal from India and whether he was even empowered to give away something which arguably belonged to the state, were and are deeply fraught debates. Indeed if you’ve ever wondered, ‘Why does India want the Koh-i-Noor back’ this complicated history is the reason.
Once in England, the stone was displayed in the Crystal Palace during the Great Exhibition of 1851 and worn as jewellery by Queen Victoria, before eventually being incorporated into the coronation crowns of Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother. It is expected to appear during the coronation of King Charles III and Queen Camilla. So sit back, relax and enjoy hearing about the history of perhaps the most famous diamond in the world, the Koh-i-noor/Koh-i-nur/Kohinoor.
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The country that has had possession of it for over 100 years.
It's bad luck.....send it back to India
@@mimsicle1 What about the people that owned it for 100s years before and was forced to “gift” as the British took custody a child heir to the throne…
Great Britain should keep it! It belongs to them! Merry Christmas 🎄🎁 ⛄️🎅🏻🧑🏻🎄
Merry Christmas History Calling! 🎄🎅
The supreme court of India a few years ago has ruled that the Diamond was not illegally taken, making it not a crime and not seen as illegitimately aquired.
A gift given under duress is not a gift. The diamond should be returned.
That's definitely a fair point.
But was it a gift or a ransom? And is a ransom considered a legitimate transfer of ownership? Coz if its not, then u have to go back further in the ownership chain. Im not saying, just keep the diamond and screw every1 else. But its a very complicated proposition to find who, if any, of the claimant would be the rightful owner. It would require probably years of historical research, and even if u were able to construct a complete ownership chain, u would then have to consider each transfer of ownership for legitimacy. And all of that should still start with actually having it analyzed to establish, where it was mined in the first place.
It would be a huge mistake to just say, that India says, its there, ok, give it back. Just consider, if the police has arrested a burglar and found some stolen jewelry. They then have to trace the rightful owner. 3 ppl all claim a certain necklace. Do u just give the necklace to the richest person? The 1 shouting the loudest? No, u have to figure out, who is the rightful owner. And thats very hard for a diamond, where u dont even know, where its originally from, and which has changed hands under murky circumstances more than once.
That doesnt mean, u shouldnt try. The police in my parable wouldnt just keep the necklace and give up finding the rightful owner. But it may be extremely difficult to trace the rightful owner of the diamond back through the centuries, and ultimately it may be the politically least damaging thing to keep it and display it, but not use it, as no matter who was given the diamond, the other claimants would be furious. Again, they should definitely try to establish, where is the diamonds origin, where was it mined, and established the chain of custody and each claim to ownership.
No 😂
Every transfer up to then seems to have been some kind of ransom or under duress. It was just a continuation of tradition it would seem.
Especially when the donor is a minor. Any contract with a minor is void ab initio
I found out about this diamond when I worked in an Indian restaurant and they were telling me the story
so it shows you that the Indian people haven't forgot . 🇬🇧
An intersting, insightful and well researched video with the perfect about of detail.
Thank you very much HC for another great video. I wish you (the viewers too) a Happy Merry Christmas from Uruguay.
Thanks Patricia and Merry Christmas to you too 🎅
Ack, it is nothing but a rock. Never understood why everyone goes all gaga over diamonds and gold. Ridiculous that lives are lost over such.
I agree actually. They only have worth because we give it to them. They certainly aren't worth people's lives.
@@HistoryCalling For you people yes. its just a rock.
That DIamond wil always be a part of India/History. It should belong to them. For england its is a symbol of theft and Colonial History.
At least what England can do is return Diamond back to India to atone for what they did to India.
Don't forget the two court cases in India where the COURTS decided that the diamond legitimately belonged to the UK, allegedly it did't originally belong to the Maharajah either as they nicked it in the first place. There is a great video covering this stone.
Dont make me laugh !! England obtained this diamond illegally during colonial war thanks to odious blackmail due to its rapacity and keeping it is as dishonest as if Germany had kept the works of art stolen during the last war and if the diamond was stolen before that does not change the fact that the English have always plundered half of the planet and they themselves are the biggest thieves in the world and sad shopkeepers..The English bought back Louis'XIV ' Blue Diamond stolen and recut it to cover their tracks...It is now the Hope diamond.. End of story
Love watching your stories… totally intriguing and interesting ❤ thank you
Thanks Michelle. I aim to please 😀
I find the cut it had before Prince Albert had it recut very interesting. Even though it may not have maximized it's potential, I find that cut intriguing and beautiful in it's own right. And who doesn't love a good "cursed jewel" story?? I think it's hard to know at this point who should own the diamond. I think there are many things that should be returned to their country of origin (Nefertiti's bust is always the first that comes to mind), but I'm not sure this is necessarily one of them. Regardless of whether it should or should not possess it, I don't see the British Monarchy giving it up. Another great story!!
Yes, I'd love to be able to see the original as well. I'd also love to know what happened to the bits which were cut off.
Of course England need to return it to India (as well as everything else that was ‘gifted’ to them). And that they haven’t really shows how out of touch the British Royal Family is.
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Nothing should be "returned" unless EVERYONE returns EVERYTHING.
@@a.t.c.3862 exactly. Which is unrealistic
@@a.t.c.3862 I can't speak for the British, but I'm not parting with my relics
👏👏Love the mix of legend and letters, HC. Fascinating as always. I found it very interesting that some journalists questioned the legality of bringing the diamond to England even in the days when colonialism was prevalent and accepted by most. You're finishing up the year strong; can't wait for next week's offering. Be well, HC.
Thanks Stephen. Yes, it is interesting that there were eyebrows raised about the stone even in the 19th century. 🔹
I hope you have a good Christmas and the New Year a continuing success for you. All of your videos are well thought out and interesting. As for the Diamond, I can’t see that it’s possession increased the “good” of anyone who owned it. It’s a rock, a pretty one, but a rock. 🎄🥰
Thanks Amy. I hope you have a great 2023 too.
I just LOVE, LOVE your work, thank you for helping me continue to learn. Blessings and Merry Christmas.
Thank you and you're very welcome. I hope you had a lovely Christmas and have a wonderful 2023.
Great stuff as always, but.... the jokes on you all. I bought this stone and a rare Rolex watch from a guy on the street in London some five years ago.😀 Got a great deal too!
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merry christmas HC! a year of amazing content down 🙌🏻 since it is -3 degrees F here, i’ll be spending my evening watching this and trying not to freeze 🤣 you know i love a jewel video!!
Thank you. Stay safe and warm. I'm literally just watching a news report about all the extreme weather in North America at the moment.
@@HistoryCalling it’s hitting us really hard here in ohio!! i hope it lets up soon 😭
Happy Holidays to everyone who enjoyed this richly entertaining post! We are currently under ice and snow, so what better way to pass the time than watching History Calling?
Thanks Ann. Stay safe and warm and happy holidays to you too.
Merry Christmas to you too Ann😘
Thanks, very good! So much history
Thank you too! 😁
Very exquisite video of a very exquisite piece of beauty. Well done HC. Have a Merry Christmas over there! :)
Thanks Sean. I ended up rather sick with a vomiting bug on Christmas night actually, but at least I had the whole day before that. Have a happy new year :-)
@@HistoryCalling My family gave me a bloody cold when I arrived home from visiting them, THEN my heater started to croak yesterday so it's 13 degrees (Celcius because I know we yanks only use the F word lol) in my house. lol
Hi from new zealand 8),you have such a lovely voice to listen to and your pronunciation is superb,looking forward to more vlogs.
Thank you very much and greetings from Northern Ireland :-)
I love your videos so much! I have long been a fan of history, in particular, English history (and I have NO IDEA why, but there it is). Regarding the jewel. It's a freaking rock. Why people fight over rocks, even pretty ones, I will never know. It's part of what is wrong with the human race in general, to fight over such stupid things, when there are much more important things to worry about. Still, I found this video intensely interesting, as I do all your videos, and I love your voice and accent. Thank you so much for these!
Exactly. Let the damn rock where it is and focus on the real problems of the people!
Thank you so much and yes, I agree, there are many much more important things in the world. Diamonds only have such a high value because we say they do (as opposed to things like water and food which have an intrinsic value in keeping us alive).
If someone takes your car, you will want it back even though it's only a bit of metal plus other. It serves you; the same with the diamond from India.
If the kohinoor is so unimportant why doesn't Britain return it to india.
Hi, Awesome live video I enjoyed it can't wait to see more soon. Can you do a video about Michel de Nostradamus he was a historical person in the 16th century. Have a great day greetings from Canada 😀
You have a beautiful voice and do a great job. Thank you
Hi HC, thanks for bringing us another interesting video.
I think that the diamond should have remained uncut and left in its natural beauty. Rather than have been cut into to meeting the latest fashion.
Also as to who should own it now, I wouldn’t want to open that Pandora’s box.
Have a Merry Christmas and I look forward to more learning in the new year.
Thanks James. Yes, I think the rebutting was a big mistake too.
That DIamond wil always be a part of India/History. It should belong to them. For england its is a symbol of theft and Colonial History.
At least what England can do is return Diamond back to India to atone for what they did to India for good karma.
Or they just can Ignore it. Bad karma. Indians wont forget.
Have a wonderful very Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄 weekend! Wonderful episode 👏 ❤️ Thank you.
Thanks Holly. I've had over a week off work and am just getting back to it now. :-)
I am not really sure if the kohinoor should be returned to any of the 3 countries , considering there is not much care for historical artefacts or history for that matter ( until some war breaks in between or political unrest occurs ) , but displaying it as a possession of the country does leave a sour feeling ( especially since Dalhousie was involved ) . As for matching the English aesthetics, it does make sense that Prince Albert chose to do that since it all comes down to displaying it to a common man who would have not known what to appreciate in something that doesn't fit his definition of a diamond . Could've been handled with care though
Yes, someone else suggested displaying it in a museum rather than the crown jewels, which might be a better option.
@@HistoryCallingBut museums can’t be trusted to safeguard any of their items. It would be stolen for sure. Still, England shouldn’t ‘own’ it.
Thank you for such an informative video, as this has been discussed in the news lately, l am glad to know it's history. 💎
You're welcome. Yes, the news story was one of the reasons I did the video at this time (though it was already on my to-do list).
I love Fridays because it’s the magic combo: you post and History’s Forgotten People also does. Merry Christmas!!
Thanks AElfgifu (I can't get my phone to type the first two letters of your username correctly - sorry about that 😯).
@@HistoryCalling Haha no problem :) we blame the phones :-)
@@HistoryCalling My actual name is Amélia, by the way, Ig that’s more possible to type hehe
What an informative video! As an aside, in hearing the commentary from a Victorian observer about how the gem shouldn't have been cut and judgements about the display really prove that even back then some randos gonna tell the world they know better.
Merry Christmas and a lovely new year and many new videos xx
Thanks Wendy. I hope you have a great 2023 too. :-)
If another country packed up and moved Stonehenge or [insert native to British Isles object here], I would be shocked if there wasn't agitation for its return. The Stone of Scone has only been returned to Scotland since 1996...
Excellent point. You're right. People would go crazy if Stonehenge or the like was taken.
But as I have commented in other threads, its different. There would be zero doubt as to the origins and rightful owners of Stonehenge, just like the "Elgin" Marbles and other such treasures, that were stolen from their known place of origin. Its much more complicated to establish rightful ownership to minor items, that have gone through multiple owners/"owners" through centuries, coz u both have to trace the chain of custody back to the origins of the item, and then u have to analyze each change of custody for whether or not it was a legitimate change of ownership. Many smaller items, especially jewels, ornaments, paintings and such have stolen more than once or used as ransom or bribery or such. So who along the chain were rightful owners, who were not? Thats very hard to establish. The origins of Stonehenge.... not so much.
Laura, all I can imagine is some guy just picking up the stones and running off with them 😂
I can imagine twenty indian guys carrying a stone pillar on their shoulders while running from bicycle police 😂
Good luck moving those Rocks!
Thank you, bravo well done! 😊🕊🙏🏻
Merry Christmas and thanks for great stories. Did I mention that great accent. Luv from Baltimore Maryland
Thank you so much. Merry Christmas to you too. 🎄
I see a History Calling upload I CLICK!
Thanks Michael 😁
Merry Christmas, my dear Dr Ms History. I hope your Christmas is as amazing as you are. ❤️
How funny. Twice this week I’ve heard about this stone.
We were discussing it at work. I’m half Indian, so my work place were asking my opinion on it. I couldn’t answer then, and I don’t think I could now. It’s such a difficult line to tread. On one hand it’s a cultural icon, but on the other it’s absence has done nothing bad, in as far as that the country hasn’t sunk into the sea because the big shiny rock isn’t there.
The world is scattered with different countries items that are far from home. Should we return our cars, as the chips are from another land? Where is the line to be drawn?
Thanks Jay and Merry Christmas to you too. ⛇ 🎄 You also make some very interesting points about the stone. I'm not sure what the best answer is either.
I fear the stone question will never be answered. There are too many claimants. It’s the same as if the imperial heritage seal of china were to be found. Who gets it? China, or Taiwan?
Merry Christmas, HC!!! Hope there's something good waiting for you under the tree!
THANKS STEPHEN. My main gift was actually a bookcase, so it won't fit under the tree, though it is made from one if that counts 😀 Have a wonderful Christmas too 🎅 🎄
What an interesting piece of history! I unfortunately don’t see any way the stone can be returned to any one land or region without resulting in mayor conflicts and possibly wars being fought over it. I am conflicted when it comes to it being right for it to be kept by the UK, but I do deem it to at this point to be the best option.
Have not various Indian factions fought one another for millennia, with the victors taking the spoils of war?
Thank you.
Merry Christmas. When my Yorkie dog saw the snow; He became worried about you. He thought something had happened to you. He was gonna to go and find you. Your his second favorite aunt.
Haha, thank you. No snow here in Northern Ireland fortunately. ❄
Interesting
Thank you 😀
As the previous owner was Duleep Singh surely his family/heirs have the strongest claim to it.
I don't think he has any living descendants, otherwise yes, I think they'd have a solid claim.
Since it has so much historic relevance, any private claim would be rebuffed by the government of origin.
Thanks!
THANK YOU SO MUCH for your very generous contribution to the channel Therexhausens and apologies for my slow reply - I'm only just back from my Christmas break. I hope you've had a lovely holiday too.
Do you think it could be possible that the quoted spectator from the Great Exhibition may have written this after the diamond was cut and has skewed a account because the account seems to describe the diamond before and after it was cut??
It is sad the diamond was recut. And there is too much controversy over who is the rightful owner. If I understand it, there are no living heirs of the maharaja and it is unlikely the British will give it to the modern Indian state. You know what they say about possession being 9/10th of the law…Despite the controversy, it is likely Camilla will wear it. Thank you for another intriguing video!
Merry Christmas!
I wonder how many diamonds where cut from the cutting of the stone that no one knows about?
Same here. Even a fragment of the original Koh-i-noor could be worth a small fortune.
I don't really know who should possess this diamond now. However, I think one of the very weakest arguments offered was David Cameron's. He was virtually admitting how many treasures in the British museum were either taken through the demonstration of superior power, or given or sold to a British entity by someone who had a dubious claim to them! [In 1979, I saw a sign next to the so-called Elgin Marbles arguing that they were being better taken care of in the British Museum than they would be in Athens, which was preposterous even then.] There are superb museums all over the world where tourists can go to see cultural treasures curated by experts, if they have the money to travel and like to see things with their own eyes. Moreover, given the high quality of today's visual media, millions of people can get an excellent view of the world's most fabulous treasures through public or private online resources, books or films, regardless of where they are housed. Of course, this particular gem is not only kept on display but used in British coronations, but that alone would not be a good argument for keeping it in the UK. What is needed is for all the countries involved to come to an agreement about the most appropriate and safe place for the diamond to be kept, and that doesn't appear likely to happen anytime soon.
Agreed! Antiquities belong in their place of origin.
Yes, I agree that would be preferable but like you I doubt any such agreement will ever be reached. You're correct too that a lot of the stuff in the British Museum (and other museums) shouldn't really be there. I wonder if there will be a grand reckoning about that some day...
Humans do not “own” any piece of earth nor what is extracted from it. We are but mere stewards ~ the line can die out, pestilences, wars, greed… Then, some time around three/score and ten, the human soul journeys on, leaving behind such “treasures” for the next generations to fret, fuss, fight and fry… On turns The Wheel…
Regarding the 19th century cut of the diamond, surely an oval cut or even a pear shape would have been possible without sacrificing such a high percentage of the stone. But maybe they weren't doing those shapes yet. Also given the confused history of possession of the stone, and we don't actually know where it was mined, I think it should stay in the UK, but Camilla definitely shouldn't wear it. Given her _penchant_ for the seemingly largest tiaras available, she probably will. We're finally above zero Fahrenheit (-18 C) here after recording the lowest temp (-24F) in Denver in over 30 years overnight Wed. into Thurs.Happy Holidays to all!
It'll certainly be interesting to see if she wears it. Stay safe and warm over there ⛇
@@HistoryCalling Luckily a warming trend starts tomorrow with temps on Christmas up to a balmy 10 c
A Queen should wear a glue and glitter headband?
Have you even seen it in person? I have not. If you can could you please take some photos of it thank you
Good evening to history calling
Hi Bea. Happy holidays 🙂
Merry Christmas HC, you and your Diamonds haha, the diamond should not have been cut it has lost its natural beauty, as for ownership several countries have a claim on it, so it has to stay where it is until a solution is found but that won't be anytime soon. Thank you as always for our journey through the mists of time with you. 🎅🎄😊
Thanks Simon and Merry Christmas to you also. Yes, I think the recut was a big mistake too.
@@HistoryCalling Thanks HC, have a great time. 🎄🎅😊
I don't think any one country should own the Koh-i-noor. The diamond is the gifted property of and surrendered in treaty to the Crown. King Charles III is the head of the Commonwealth and heir to the Crown jewels. The diamond is a part of our collective Commonwealth history, not just England or the United Kingdom and certainly not just India, considering its relationship to Pakistan. I think it is unfortunate that the diamond was re-cut under the direction of Prince Albert. Maintaining its Indian style, regardless of its lack of luster would have at least shown greater reverence to the diamond's origin and India's place within the Commonwealth of Nations.
It was literally stolen from a 10 year old 😂😂
I have enjoyed your channel every since I accidentally found it. However I do have a question with regard to the diamond that you spoke of in this video. Is this diamond connected at all with the peacock throne which must have by your information started in India and then ended up in Iran or pressure. Am I to understand that and that's a peacock strolling of Iran actually began in India? Also you mentioned there was a curse and connected with this particular diamond, is this the same type of curse that was connected with the Hope diamond which now rests at last report in the Smithsonian institute in Washington DC? I have not seen this diamond that you spoke of in the crown jewels of Edward the confessor's crown has it been removed because they are afraid of the curse or because it is no longer fashionable to put such a crown acquired in such a way on someone's head?
The Kohinoor has never been on St Edwards Crown. It has never been on the Imperial State crown either. It has always been on the Queen Consorts crown. 3 completely different crowns used for different purposes by different members of the Royal family.
Thanks William. This video discusses the diamond's connection with the Peacock Throne and if you want to check out my video on the Hope Diamond, you can hear all about its supposed curse there. Enjoy 🙂
The crown with koohinoor stone was deeply burried in the Philippines till now . Cause King Philip pay it as a dorry to the queen of jolo zulo Philippines .
Lots of countries lose things when treaties are signed. If they were all given back as if the treaty never existed, more of Europe would be speaking German, and more of Central Asia would be speaking Russian.
Yes, there is certainly an argument that this is just the way of the world and that everyone gets invaded at some point.
This sounds like the most colonizing conversation I’ve ever read. That’s crazy. England invaded India, had the nerve to call the resulting wars “unprovoked” and then took the diamond from an actual child! How is this messy or confusing? That’s illegal terrorism by today’s standards. It doesn’t belong to the UK. Someone somewhere in India should have it and India should decide that.
Merry Christmas 🎄
Same to you! 🎅
It's 4 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 15 degrees Celsius in my home city. A very cold day. Hopefully it's much nicer and WARMER elsewhere. Another great video!!!
It's summer here. Nice weather in Uruguay, South America.
15 degrees would be very mild here in Northern Ireland for this time of year 🙂 We'll not expect balmy temperatures like that until April at least 😅
@@HistoryCalling wow, this is totally foreign to me, even though I've lived in Missouri now for almost two years. I guess I'm too used to California Weather.
Lol 4 degrees Fahrenheit is not 15 degrees celsius. You mean -15. And that’s not as bad but I am a Montanan😂
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Oops, well, I'm an American and I'm not familiar with Celsius....
Love this kind of story great job. I think India should get the diamond back
Thanks Vernon. Yes they do have a strong case for it
Such interesting research and storytelling. As for the 19th century recutting of the Koh-I-Noor, I would chalk this up to British arrogance and racism.
Yeah, it was incredibly stupid to recut it and I'd like to know what happened to the bits removed.
The diamond seems to have moved around a lot - on a pendant, then on a bracelet, then in a crown. Could Camilla have it removed from the Queen Consort crown and replaced by a stone (not even necessarily a diamond - a ruby would be awesome) of her choice? Oh, and I think it belongs in England.
Definitely and I wouldn't be surprised if she does have it swapped out. It hasn't even been a part of the Crown Jewels for all that long in the grand scheme of things.
The Diamond is part of the Crown Jewels and I would think not subject to the whims of an individual, temporal, monarch…
The East India Company threatened the 10 year old Maharaja with the death of his mother in exchange for the diamond?
It was obtained by crime.
It does not belong to England
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"I would think not subject to the whims of an individual, temporal, monarch…" You mean you think the Monarch can't even have it removed from the Queen Consort Crown? What about the fact that it has moved around before as said above? It was on pendant, a bracelet, then a crown. In any case, it was removed from the Queen Consort' Crown. Camilla did not wear the diamond.
Thank you for this great piece of history, God Bless you and your family.
Apparently, on being asked the price of the Kohinoor, Maharaja Ranjit Singh had said. “paanch jooti”, which translates literally to “five slaps with a shoe” - a figure of speech common in India for “humiliating application of force”. His prediction was correct. Whether he continues to be correct in the future remains to seen.
I didn't come across that quote, but I wish I had now. It would have been great to include in the video.
I think it should be returned to India. You have to think of India as it was at the time. Pakistan did not exist until 1947. So technically, most of the stone's existence was in the historical India. But then, I also think that the Elgin Marbles, more properly the Parthenon Sculptures, should be returned to Greece.
A happy Yule to all!
Yes, I think India's claim is stronger than Pakistan's in this instance. I think the Parthenon Sculptures should go back too, but we'll have to wait and see what happens I guess.
seems like everyone who saw it before and after the cut was dissapointed- I wonder what it looked like and also, very suspicious that the offcuts dissapeared 😂 it's bakers priveledge to eat the offcuts of a cake, but I don't think jewellers privilege is 40% of the biggest diamond in the world to take home
also, who knoews should have it now- the history was messy enouogh that no one's really got a clear claim but doesn't really feel like it belongs to the british monarchy (I say this as a brit), also, as much as it might be wildly expensive- it's also kinda pointless, like it jsut looks pretty, yes it's big but it's not really doing anything
Yes, I would really like to know what happened to the offcuts too. They'd be worth a pretty penny as well.
I would have left it alone. The historic cut would have been wonderful to see.
I know. I'd love to see it as well.
Make you wonder what happened to the rest? Did they use the rest after it was cut on the crown or did they put in a bunch of brooches.
It DEFINITELY needs to go back to India, it's a shame the U.K has not given it back, it just shows that the U.K has not changed as much as they think they have. It's pretty SAD!!!
I'm fascinated by the possibility that it could have originally been the Shamantaka jewel that Jambuvan and Krsna had a great battle over. I have known about this story for decades because I follow all the past times of Krsna. I have really enjoyed this video of the jewels history.
Very interesting sorry! It was clearly not worth the losses after the cut!
Thank you for another interesting historical gem-stone video!
I'm just disappointed that you completely glossed over the fact that the British East India Company was key in expanding and spreading the opium trade. It's wealth came in large part through pushing opium on new populations, e.g. China.
You're welcome. It's not that I was trying to gloss over anything, it's just that this is already (by my standards) a very long video and it was about the diamond, rather than the history of the East India Company. That would be a completely different video and require lots of extra research using different sources. Perhaps I'll look at it in the future though.
@@HistoryCalling Thanks for your prompt reply. I appreciate it! I must admit to being personally invested in the topic. I’m ethnically Chinese and it really upsets me that most British people (including educated ones) believe that the “evil Chinese” pushed opium onto the rest of the world when, in fact, Britain used its military to force Chinese authorities to permit opium to be sold in China. I recognise that a video about the K-i-N diamond is not the place to go into the subject. But since you brought up the British East India Company and also (which I do appreciate!) tangentially the topic of colonialism, it would have been great to see some slight recognition of the fact that British wealth was also built on pushing opium.
Great video on a touchy subject. I really do appreciate that you did mention a couple of the controversial topics 💖
Yes. The East India Company started the Opium Wars to destabilize Old Imperial China because the Chinese Emperor would not be coaxed or cajoled to have commerce with England where England had the affontery to pretty much demand that China take the short end of any deal in trade. Chinese Emperor declined and had them shown out for their rude hubris superiority on his turf.
This colonial thing annoys me. England was not colonised by Germany,the Romans, the vikings, the French Normans because they wanted to plunder her tin….. no we were conquered and it has happened throughout history all over the world 😡 this is not at you by the way-good video 😊
@Lorraine Casey….as has every other country on this planet. The people that hold these countries today are the ones that won the last war and were strong enough to hold it from being taken again. There’s not a country or race of people that haven’t been captor and slave and then traded places. It’s been the way of the world for millennia.
Yes, it is very true that conquests have happened throughout history and might well continue to happen. There's the obvious attempt happening in Europe right now for instance.
The Blue Diamonds ,Tavernier and really any large Diamond are submerged in history, myth, intrigue ,betrayal ,destruction and controversy that I find fascinating . . they are pretty .. But When I reflect on all of it , .... it's a lot of bother for a Rock .
I am all for returning stolen objects to their original owners . But I worry that some of these pieces of history and art will disappear .... especially if all our eggs are in one basket.
Thanks for another trip through history.
Yes, these things so seem to attract trouble and wacky stories don't they? I agree actually that they are at the end of the day, just pretty carbon. There are many much more important things in the world.
I have three questions.
1. Do you think Henry 6th would have been more successful as A constitutional monarch ?
2. How was the relationship between queen Elizabeth I 's England and Japan ?
3. Do you think if Henry V had lived longer; would England have kept hold of France ?
I'm typing on my phone so I hope you don't mind me keeping this very brief: 1) Yes, if he'd lived 400 years later. 2) Don't know I'm afraid. 3) Yes, probably.
@@HistoryCalling As long you answered my questions- I'm satisfied.
I never understood why the people of today complain about the theft taken place hundreds of years ago. Like my ancestors had tons of stuff stolen from them but I certainly don't think that the people NOW should be punished for it. Its a stone involved in many cultures, so does it really need to be owned by anyone?
If we should give back all items which were ever taken (by force or bought) it's ridiculous..where to begin, where to end?...and to whom because most of them changed owners several times in the history...🤔
This only applies to England apparently
I am undecided about who should have possession of the Koh-I-Noor diamond, though I do believe it should be someone other than the British royal family. Thank you for a most welcome Christmas present; this episode is a great gift. Best wishes to you and yours for the holidays and the coming new year!
Why, specifically, not the British royal family? I mean it was giving to Britain for helping the maharaja fight the 'sikh wars'.
Can’t be safer than with the English
Thanks Sarah. I hope you had a good Christmas too.
I think we have to remember that this is just a carbon rock and belongs to the Earth. I think most of the people fighting over it would be pacified if the British Royals just acknowledged their mistakes in colonising other countries and taking their possessions and put the dimond in a museum.
Yes, I agree that it is just a rock. There are much more important things in the world.
Couldn't agree more
@@HistoryCalling yeah absolutely right there's much more important thing than kohinoor so why britishers are not give it back? They will say that current generation are not responsible for that dark past on the other hand they will glorify and celebrates there past by holding that stolen things. Get a life brits apart from being hypocrates .
Well done HC. This bit of history held my interest for the full 30 minutes.
England should hold it dear and it should be used in corinations.
Merry Christmas!
Thanks John and Merry Christmas to you too 🎅
Many museums would be empty not just the British museum.
Very true.
The Diamond has No Owner it belongs to the Earth & She Gaia wants it to go to All the people of the World - for the Good of All that is - and so it is - Blessings.
even the sight of the crown makes me sick
Given the past of this diamond in how it has moved from one dynasty to other, and if the legends about the diamond hild any weight, it could be taken away from England.
The modern day force would not be colonial or military, but geopolitical and strategic duress.
On another note where is Harry flashman!?! Lol!
I wished it would’ve remained uncut and in India. I understand why Afghanistan wants it but, it will be lost forever over the country’s conflict. Same with Pakistan. Query, is the diamond in the same British Museum that has the Rosetta Stone? I know Egypt wants it back. Actually Dr. Zahi Hawass. I don’t care for him. He takes credit for other archeologists’ work.
Never heard of the Koh-I-Noor Diamond. Thank you for another great video.
Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year to you and everyone else. 🎄⛄️❄️🎉🍷
Yes, I wish it hadn't been cut too. The diamond is typically kept in the Tower of London when not in use, but yes, the Rosetta Stone is in the British Museum.
It makes no sense that the this diamond is not worn yet its 2 accenting diamonds (now earings) were continued to be worn for decades and also the lahore pendant? Its very picky choosy
Did Cameron inadvertently admit that the great part of the contents of the British Museum were obtained under fishy circumstances?
I know persian its mean mountain of light
It would appear to me that the object of the East India Company and the empire was to divest the world of its wealth.
I agree with you - I would not have altered the diamond.
Why does it seem the most important and coolest items always wind up in the hands of British and English kings and queens? It seems most are Ill gotten or mysteriously wind up in their hands. Strange.
I think it helps that they've outlasted so many other monarchies and been able to purchase some of their items. Some good things are elsewhere though, like the Hope Diamond in the Met.
@@HistoryCalling I’ll agree that’s very true. Thank you for your response.
@@HistoryCalling -- With all due respect, the Hope Diamond was gifted to and is on display at the Smithsonian Institute's Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C., not the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City.
Btw completely unrelated question but what kind of music do you like? And bands and artists?
(this question was meant to History Calling but feel free to answer too!)
Almost everything that you can hum along to and even the very occasional bit of rap. No heavy metal though 🤯
@@HistoryCalling No metal !! That gets a big harrumph from me. 😏🤘
Very informative history of the Kohinoor diamond. It was last owned by the young Sikh King of Panjab, Maharaja Dalip Singh. The British successfully dismentled the Sikh Monarchy.
King Philip lost the crown
@ulyssesbinoya1134 Well King Charles got the Crown 👑
Cameron’s comment about the British Museum brings up the Elgin Marbles which (like the diamond) are coveted by their nation of origin.
Yes, I think if they went back there would be a lot more pressure to return the Koh-i-noor too.
The Marbles are far more simple tho. There is zero dispute as to the original owner, as Elgin outright stole them from the Akropolis and smuggled them out of Greece.
Honestly, the British Museum is basically a repository of stolen loot from around the world, it would be far more logical to start there, where a lot of it have easily proven origins/owners, than with a diamond with a very complicated history, multiple claimants and unknown origins.
And I get really p'd off, every time I hear the British Museum argument "Its better to have it, where ppl can really appreciate it" or a variation of it. Its not just very condescending toward the rightful owners, it also willfully ignores, that only 0.5% of all the items are on display at the museum, the rest are packed away in storage.
@@dfuher968 thank you for this, as I studied the marbles one semester before I was to began writing my dissertation. SO much has gone on through time, and I simply love to read, and not really write, but study. Blessings and Merry Christmas.
I say give it back to the Indians. They're the ones who had it last - this isn't the best solution, but it is the most impartial. The English shouldn't keep it, as "finders keepers" has always seemed like a flimsy excuse for keeping other people's things
I wouldn't be surprised if that happens some day actually. We'll have to wait and see.
INTERESTING = How can we EVER find out where it was mined ??? A STONE OF KINGS EMPERORS MAHARAJAS 🤴 FOR SURE
I think at the time it was mined there were only a few diamond mines in the world and that's how we know it had to come from India.
Return it to India
Greetings from Texas, HC. May you have a Blessed Christmas holiday. I agree with you that the diamond should have been left untouched, but we both know what the arrogance of European Imperialism was all about.
Thanks Mary. Have a lovely Christmas too. 🎄 Yes, I think the recutting was crazy too.
You could do a Solomon thing and give each country with a credible claim a piece of it
I believe Solomon had the answer. Tell each country that claims it that it will be cut so that each country gets a piece of it. Then wait for the reaction.
Ah yes, then we could see who loves it the most (if my memory of that Biblical tale is correct).
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I don’t think Camilla will wear it, like her or not she’s aware of its troubled history.
I wasn’t aware that other countries were claiming it, my opinion is that it should go to India (if it ever is returned). That’s where it originated
I'll be very interested to see if she wears it too.
@@HistoryCalling If she wears it, I am sorry to say it will be 4ever cursed, it was previously desecrated when it was cut ...Let it then stay with them.
She is not worthy of it
I wish they hadn't cut it and not only that, but it shouldn't have been taken from india in the first place
Love the guy using it as a paperweight!