RWBY Volume 7 Chapter 12 - Reaction
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I've gotta say, I really hate the mentality that just because a character's actions, morals or beliefs don't 100% align with your own, that it automatically makes them "annoying" or "stupid". Both sides of this conflict have points that are valid, but neither side has the absolute perfect solution. Looking at the whole thing like it's black and white in that one side is completely right and one side is completely wrong is IMO, a very close minded way to look at things.
Sadly though, Jordie's had that sort of mentality since the beginning. Her reactions to Professor Port, even after it's established that he's more than what he initially appeared as, still remained in the general vein of "Eww...", for instance
And as someone who looks at everything objectively regardless of my personal feelings - or as closely as possible to such, at any rate - it really, really irks me too. Nowadays, the reactions without her are far more valuable than those with... and while I'm sorry to say that outright, it's come to that point imo :/
Exactly that. Yes, the characters are 'acting like robots' and only following orders. That's how the military works and how they're meant to be portrayed in the show. It seems Jordie simply doesn't like the fact that they don't fit her idea of how they should be acting, as well as the fact that they're fighting the 'Main Characters' of the series makes them 'stupid' and bad. If they were being 'robotic' simply to force the plot along, then yeah, it would be super stupid, but CRWBY has done a good job of showing their opinions during the fight despite following the rules.
(Also saying it in the tone that you do, like 'Clover is a shiiiithead' at 33:34 sounds super fucking childish. I've gotta be honest, this is the first reaction from this channel I've watched and all the interjections like that don't make me want to watch another.)
Man i can't thank you enough to being able to realize this! So many people on this fandom feel so smart declaring which party is the absolute villain of the situation while the whole point is showing that neither side is perfect
yes, but Clover was STUPID. All he had to do was message ahead to have reinforcements available for Tyrian, and then when Crowe walks of airship surprise take him down just like in chapter 1. No conflict.
@@abaddonarts1129
Actually that isn't really true: soldiers haven't really had that idea of strict adherence to rigid orders since the era of Napoleonic line infantry, Rather, the soldier is given a mission, a set of parameters defining how that mission is to be performed (usually negative statements, like "do not fire unless fired upon" or "do not initiate combat with groups who are not openly armed"), and allowed initiative to figure out the best way to perform it, based on the understanding that a soldier on the ground might have a better grasp of the immediate situation than was present in a briefing hours or days before. In this way they focus on achieving the _intent_ of their mission rather than simply adhering to a rigid plan. The approach was pioneered in the 19th century by Germany as _Auftragstaktik_ .
I don't expect Jordie to understand what it's like being in the military, but disobeying orders is the best way to get you and those around you killed. Clover was a good man, and laughing at his death was a very strange reaction, imo.
"man tyrian i love you but i hate you"
totally agree
27:27
I disagree with that for a specific reason: when they received the new orders in last episode, Vine and Harriet actually explained why they agreed with Ironwood, and Elm showed how much Yang and Blake's "betrayal" pissed her off... so I'd say they didn't fight team RWBY only because they were following orders... except for maybe the only one of the ace ops who was holding back and clearly less invested in the fight 🤔
It was BIG HAND MAN
Yang did make the right move though. She tried to find the middle ground between trusting her leader and trusting Ironwood and it worked because it helped force him to trust Robyn. But unfortunately in the end because of Cinder that was fragmented and backfired. The issue with the ace ops is how personally they take everything related to jurisdiction and how the thought of betrayal affected them. The remainder of RWBY didn't trust Ironwood completely. Yang is the one that was lied to and manipulated her whole life even before Beacon so she wanted to trust Ironwood but didn't want to betray her team and especially her sister. So trusting Blake she took the best course of action to try and play both parts without choosing sides.
Clover dies.
Everyone: Shocked face
Jordie: "Hihi"
To be fair.... I laughed too. Like "ahaaha did that shit just happen?!
@ Its okay, hun. We know you are jealous that others are able to live freely of hate and discrimination. If you ever need to talk about your closeted feelings please say something. I'm sure someone will help and hopefully they don't show the kind if bigotry your are exuding.
@ If you don't support all gay people, masculine, feminine or in between, you do not support any.
@ That is literally saying "Its okay to be homosexual as long as it's the kind I want to see and nothing else. Because I control how others feel." That is almost as destructive as not supporting gay people at all and is very childish.
@ And now this is getting sexist as well as partially homophobic.
Blake's aura didn't break it flicker crwby added a particle affect to signify aura breaking
Anyone else feel slightly annoyed with her comments about the Ace-Ops? I don't just want to hear her constantly with, "I never liked them anyway" or "I hope you get knocked out". Also what does she mean by "It doesn't matter how I feel, I never liked that"? This season has been about the middle ground of morality, showing not everything is just good or bad, and in a military your personal feelings never matter about your decisions. You are told what to do and you follow it, your main goal is to defeat the enemy! That's literally all there is to it! Of course you're not supposed to embrace the concept but that's how a military environment works.
100% agree with you, man. The RWBY did betrayed Ironwood and the Ace-ups while they gave them nothing but trust and loyalty. Ironwood was willing to let them keep the lamp and even let them know about his top secret about Aminy tower. And what the protags did? Lied to James about the lamp, Salem and leaked the info about the tower. If Ironwood lost trust on them is totally their fault.
Also not to mention Team RWBY were resisting arrest and being violent. Truth be told the Aceops were justified in all of this.
I also agree because Team Rwby literally didnt tell him about Salem and decided to tell Robyn their plan behind his back.
Couldn't word it myself better. It just gets so annoying hearing such one sided thinking. Just because team RWBY are the "main characters", it doesn't mean everything they do is the "right" choice or that can get away with everything they do.
I totally agree with the analysis of the military behaviour and to why the ace-ops act like this, but can we PLEASE cut the bullshit about team rwby being the villains here? Yes they didn't give ironwood the same trust he gave them (i personally think with good reason, or at least to explore the main cast going through a gray path), but ironwood now is abandoning their only chance to reunite rhe world after beacon, along with all the people of mantle (that are 100% going to die without atlas, if it wasn't clear), all because he is now driven by fear and paranoia, for fuck sake he totally fell for cinder trap showing her where the maiden was! So stop being back seaters, thinking your idea of what to do in the situation is the absolute best and team rwby is too dumb/bad/whatever to understand that, the entire point here is that people are doing what they think is best, NOT what is empirically right.
I saw a lot of different people on TH-cam say that Marrow's semblance is single target ability but they forget that he did stop an entire mob from attacking Penny after she was framed. It's more of a line of sight thing from the looks of it.
Anyone other than the main characters : *speaks*
- oH mY gOd ThEyRe So AnNoYiNg I hAtE tHeM
16:45 "Straight into a wall..."
That was no wall. That was the finish line--and the Hare got there after the rest of her team was done.
That said, she did put up an amazing fight for someone with both hands tied behind her back.
Jordie's gotta chill..... Like, I really didn't care for her input this episode...
yeah same here tbh, ive been enjoying Caleb and Capt a lot more :)
@@darrenardron6953 I mean then oh well? Just tune it out if you don't like it. This is a channel for honest reactions. If you don't like someone's honest reactions, if you don't agree with them, you don't have to watch. Which is why I've stopped watching two RWBY reactors. Because of their views. It doesn't hurt anyone to just, I don't know, not be toxic and keep quiet.
Avery Jade don’t get me wrong I still enjoy her. That’s why I am subscribed but I really like Capt and Caleb reactions more is all. Of course she’s allowed her own views I never said she wasn’t. 🤷🏻♂️. I don’t dislike her I just said I like the others reaction more 🤷🏻♂️ I am allowed to think like that. I’ve followed this channel since Jodie started watching rwby so off course I like her she’s funny lol
@@darrenardron6953 exactly! I find the other two more engaging. She yells about people being bad and annoying without really giving a reason, nor does she really use any real critical thinking or actual reasoning. But I guess it's better to have someone with an excessively simple way of thinking to offset the others to give a different perspective.
@@darrenardron6953 Okay I get that.
I hate when people scream "annoying" continuously, but, hey. Creators create what they want.
I'll be real honest here, this is a real conundrum. In terms of keeping the relics safe, Ironwood has a point, albeit it being a heartless solution. On the other hand, Team Rwby, who hold the values that Ozpin holds, cannot morally accept Ironwood's solution. This right here is exactly what makes Salem's machinations with Watts and Tyrian so effective; no matter how they split it, neither group is going to win this because they have to oppose each other instead of cooperating. We got another Fall of Beacon on our hands. Master stroke there, cannot wait to see how it all plays out from here.
Too bad so many people are too focused on blaming either the characters or the writers instead of appreciate stuff like this😑
I feel the main problem is Ironwood is the only one who has something _resembling_ a plan here, while team RWBY is just going with Ozpin's "get the relics" plan without noticing the next stage is "???" on the list. And yet they're quite happy to give Ironwood shit for trying to _do something_ .
@@CruelestChris I would agree that Ironwood’s plan is worst possible answer for one reason: Salem’s only loose condition is humanity being untied against her. Atlas peacing out kills any chance of that
@@dragonstouch1042
But his plan _is_ to unite humanity, he's just trying to get into a position where he has the tower built first, then he's going to tell Atlas and use his military to deal with any Grimm attacks that causes, and then tell the world while offering the Atlas military's assistance to them once Atlas has its shit together. It's a totally practical plan.
@@CruelestChris that isn’t the plan anymore. The new plan is have Atlas get out of there and abandon Remnant
LOL, "they did an Adam on Elm".
Reaction just started and Jordie disrespected best girl Ruby. I'm hurt lol
Right?! I had to keep my reaction face on 🤣
To be fair Ruby was the reason they are in this situation.
@@justindeliwe8065 Ironwood would have been on that decline with or without knowing Salem can't be killed
@@MegaDuke4life yeah, he would’ve done the Atlas plan so much sooner
What I hope is that these episodes set up a realistic complex of trust issues. Cause in my opinion, RWBY cannot get off scott free when they did sort of betray Ironwood and the ACE-OPS, which could also be true with Ozpin. I just hope it isn’t that easy for them, because such hardship and realism is important to the series.
Also, they have to fight Ironwood, otherwise I’ll be rather disappointed, it makes sense for Ironwood to clash with them.
I wish I could mute that womens voice throughout this entire reaction. -_-
24:28 To be fair, Qrow's punches are surprisingly effective against Tyrian.
Qrow actually uses Harbinger as a self-imposed nerf
He’s friends with Tai
This will be just like beacon
More than you know.
Jordie if you were listening you would know that RWBY is literally considered a threat to Ironwood because all of the stuff they did were traitorous like not telling him about Salem and Yang and Blake told Robyn about the new CCT behind Ironwood's back all of this is against Ironwood so the Ace Ops listening to Ironwood's orders makes sense in their perspective because in their perspective RWBY betrayed Ironwood
The internet is screaming today.
V7c13 was a whale of a tale
20:28 - everyone: *LE GASP*
Qrow had the worst of the 3. If he focused Tyrion Clover would have thwarted him enough to give Tyrion an opening to kill him. If he switched to Clover he would only give in to Tyrions desire to break him
They both made bad decisions. They were the professional huntsmen in the room. They should have focused on managing the suicidal psychotic killer in their midst. Perhaps begining with calming down ( or knocking out) a hot headed Robyn. If I recall, it is her errant shot that freed Tyrian.
@@DocMicrowave agreed. Securing Tyrion was the priority at that time. Whether letting Qrow escape, or for the two of them to fight it out on the ground while Robin gets Tyrion secured, having a fight with a barely-secured prisoner three feet away is a terrible idea.
@@morlock2012 A bad idea that was compounded with Qrow teaming up with an arch rival to take out a former good friend!
@@DocMicrowave This... one of the weirdest, worst episodes I've seen. Qrow KNOWINGLY siding with Tyrion to take down Clover was probably the stupidest thing I've seen in RWBY... I't doesn't matter how hard headed a 'friend' is, you don't ever team up with your mortal enemy who is a psychotic killer to take down/kill your friend.
I never would have thought Qrow would have been shown to ever do something like this based on what we've seen of Qrow up to this point - seemed way out of character. Tyrion, in no uncertain terms, gave intentions to kill Clover and Qrow went along with it?! EVERYTHING Qrow was talking about and trying to do before that was just null and voided when he actively became a traitor to his 'friend' by siding with Tyrion. What is this writing?!
I came up with a theory in a (lame) attempt to explain why things happened the way they did.
The close proximity of Qrow and Clover fighting caused their semblances to merge creating a stupidity bubble around them.
Tyrian, being the agent of chaos that he is, saw the bubble as an opportunity to kill at least one of them before fleeing. Stepped into the proximity of said bubble and had his way with them.
Only thing that makes sense to me. ;)
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 SHAKING IN HORROR AND GRIEF FOR MY POOR QROW!!!! HE LOST SOMEONE HE CONSIDERED HIS BEST FRIEND!!!!
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Wow Jordie is extremely annoying and doesn’t add much to the commentary aside from snide remarks and being overall childish.
I do like Elm's look of "This might have been a bad idea..." when Vine goes down.
I thoroughly enjoyed the episode probably the second best this volume I have no problem with rwby beating the ace ops because it made sense as cheesy as it sounds team rwby working together had them win the ace ops didn’t work together and when they would it would always be clover keeping them together
It was stupid of qrow to work with Tyrian imo but I still don’t mind it’s totally believable to me that people will sometimes just make stupid decisions especially while fighting
The worst part of the episode imo was Neo getting punched by Oscar running towards her while screaming it didn’t look good one of the writers even said that it was better on paper but other than that really liked this episode
Also Tyrian mvp this episode
maybe we'll see the "on paper" version of that scene on Twitter, they've been posting storyboards there pretty often recently.
A Person With a Name they did. Apparently it was suppose to be that Oscar came directly around the corner and punched her, not having that much space between them.
@@Brontebabe Yeah, I did notice the distance was a bit unbelievable for Neo's reaction time. I'll hand wave that away for effect though, since back in Vol 4 in the Tyrian vs Qrow fight the guns on Tyrian's weapons fired for a full second before Qrow moved but he still dodged.
Agreed, Tyrian MVP. He was a veritable genius compared to everyone else in the airship.
Oscar punches Neo!?? Sorry, unacceptable. They Nerfed Neo! They finally did ruin her.
Ruby couldn't hit her.
Yang got punked in one episode and then wasted by her in another without being able lay a glove on her.
Dodged Raven.
Only shut down by Cinder After she whipped out maiden powers on her.
Punched out (of her illusion!) by a farm boy running down a hall screeming and shouting....
Best girl #2 ....... Nerfed!
@@DocMicrowave Tell me that when you;ve seen the next episode...
I agree with jordie about that the Ace ops we didnt have to much time to develope feeling for them not like Pyrha but overall that scene was really emotional
when you realized Marrow could have easily stopped the fighting from the beginning
We actually have seen Yang's semblance in Volume 6 when Blake and Yang fight Adam
We've seen Yang's semblance since the beginning. It's effect probably wasn't explicitly stated but whenever her eyes went red it usually meant she was using it in some way. The fact that she hasn't had red eyes all season until now, even when pissed at Ironwood, really shows character development and how she's learned to use it when it would work best.
@@abaddonarts1129 yeah that's true because in Volume 4 Taiyang told Yang that she literally uses the semblance like a temper tantrum and tells her to improve on the way she uses her semblance
I think what he's referring to is her going full super saiyan, flaming hair and all, as opposed to just red eyes.
@@PhoenixBlazer39 but her semblance is literally going super saiyan so what are you talking about
Qrow and Tyrian teaming up to kill Clover. Didn't see that coming. Also didn't see Qrow vowing to shift the blame onto Ironwood rather than taking responsibility for his own actions coming. I get that he's hurting now, but maybe he should have thought of that before siding with an insane serial killer against his friend.
It’s not Clover gave him much of an option. It was either Qrow or Clover since Clover wasn’t letting Qrow deal with the serial killer. He got himself killed.
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I don't wanna be rude, but I low key hate how Jordie doesn't understand personal reasons that people do certain actions and says that the character is annoying/useless but I Know to respect her opinion
The big winner here, Salem.
Mission accomplished.
To paraphrase Nolan's Joker "these 'good' people, will eat each other."
"Divide them
Tear them apart
Sever their trust
It will strangle their hearts"
@@CaptKG Spot on!
Personally some of my favorite characters are the "morally gray" or anti-heroes because that's how it is in real life! People have different perspectives and views. General Ironwood and Raven are some of my favorite characters because they aren't straight up evil! CRWBY did a good job writing Ironwood because he brings up good points. Even Clover had a good reason but saying he trusted Ironwood. But yeah, Ruby is right that saving everyone (or as many as they can) is the best way to unite humanity against Salem.
Because humanity being united against her is the only win condition they have. Does no one remember that? Salem’s goal is impossible unless humanity is divided
While I did find Jordie to be kinda annoying to deal with, I actually really liked this reaction.
The other two clearly what was wrong with the situation, Clover wasn't communication with Qrow well enough and the same goes for Qrow, both of them messed up hard
also fk Robin, clover's death was her fault, many stupid decisions were made
I understand both sides, they both wanna save people but TEAM RWBY arent the people to just let anyone die, they became huntresses to save everyone, i think rwby made a good choice for her character
And her plan makes more sense in the long run. Humanity only chance at survival is standing together. Salem can’t have the gods destroy Remnant unless they’re divided
To be fair, Kamil and Caleb, Clover probably felt his good luck semblance would win put against Tyrian if he could first beat Qrow. And Qrow probably thought the same with his bad luck semblance.
I'm really glad Jordie was was here for this too. Just because its nice to see all three of you here.
@@jordiereason Honestly I felt the same way you did until I started reading comments on RT's site. One was talking about that and the eay they presented their argument made a lot of sense. I'm still very salty he kept attacking Qrow first and stopping him from taking care of Tyrian, the real threat. Which then kinda ended up forcing Qrow to turn back to Clover instead of going after Tyrian. But it made sense to me so that is what in choosing to believe, whether I'm happy about it or not. Which I'm not lol
Can some link a video that ISNT a reaction?
You mean on VRV or the Rooster teeth site?
Wouldn't Oscar now have Ozpins magic? So there would be your replacement for Raven..... Unless Raven ports in to either Yang or Qrow for some reason.
Actually Oscar does has always had Ozpins magic, he just doesnt know how to use it
Ozpin mentioned his magic was getting weaker and, if i am not mistaken, it was no trivial task and required assistance (not sure what that assistance was) and Ozpin's power is finite and dwindling (RWBY Volume 5: Chapter 7). that was with the experience and mind of the original.
90% of what the girl says: Hates everything, everything is annoying.
¿How the hell do you even see the series if you hate everything? What's wrong with you xD
Why does something have to be wrong with her?
Concerning Clover's actions. He is a millitary man following orders. That did not make him the bad guy. That is millitary culture. Not following orders could cost you or others around you your lives.
However, that said, to blindly follow orders can be equally as bad. Clover should have assessed the situation before solely focusing on his orders. Tyrian was the bigger threat at the moment. He should have followed Qrow's lead to handle Tyrian first. Rather than teaming up with Tyrian to take down Qrow.
And as matter of fact, Clover did team up with Tyrian, albeit indirectly, to take down Qrow initially. I would think most military men would think that a bad tactical decision. I doubt even Ironwood would condone that action.
I really don't know how there are people who still don't understand that Ironwood's decision is the right one, it's not the best morally, but logically it's the best, since they say it's better to save what you can than to lose everything.
Plus he's the only one here actually trying to do something proactive rather than horde the relics with a group of easily mugged children and then stage 2 is "???"
I liked the ace ops, I just wish they'd use their heads or at least question/ wonder as opposed to blindly following orders. Ive said it other reactions but Clover brought this on himself, he should of helped Qrow with Tyrion and he wouldn't of died. Ever sense learning that Penny can be given aura from a living person, just hope my theory of Penny getting the maiden powers is true. Also does this mean they all get demoted from Huntresses and Huntsmen
Totally agree, I liked the Ace Ops and think it sucks that not a single one of them stood to Ironwood when it was obvious that he was starting to go off the deep end with paranoia taking over.
But guys The Ace Ops are in the right because Team RWBY in this case were unjustified they first left out important info about Salem and then told Robyn their plan behind Ironeood's back so their acriins are justified in this situation
Justin Deliwe totally agree. Although what happened with Lionheart, it’s understandable why they wouldn’t tell them everything and Ironwood should of considered what happened at Mantel before harping on them. Now for the other thing is understandable because they went behind Ironwood.
Coming off of an exciting buildup in 7x11. This episode was a letdown for me. Particularly the Qrow / Clover / Tyrian fight.
Fantastic eye candy as for as choreography goes. But the decisions the characters made. So out of character and illogical. I get somethings had to happen to progress some kind of a plot point there, but really?
True I still have a hard time justifying the decisions made. Best I can do is blame it on the emotions of the moment 🤷♂️
@@CaptKG I really wish I could justify Clover and Qrow's actions with and overwelming bout of emotions. It wouldn't bother me as much if I could.
I can try and force myself to accept the actions on the airship (that would be a stretch).
But after the crash?
Tyrian pops into the Fray and Qrow immediately turns to attack him, as it should be. He's kind of a high priority target there.
But then Clover continues to attack a diverted Qrow? Ignoring the killer in the room. (Or is it Tundra?). You'd think he could set aside the boyscout routine for a minute and assist with the more immediate danger. You could almost say Clover and Tyrian teamed up (passively) to take down Qrow.
And the spectacle escalates! Qrow then (more actively) teams up with Tyrian to take down Clover!?
Clover and Qrow where Nerfed bigtime brain wise, imo.
Tyrian could have used the opportunity to flee also but I guess in his sadistically genius way, he knew he could take advantage if the stupidity bubble apparently created by the close proximity of good and bad luck semblances to kill at least one of them.
The scene seem to be composited soley for shock and awe value. Nothing else the characters did made sense. But that's just me.
I have seen alot of commenters trying to explain this whole scene away as perfectly understandable.
I put this travesty of logic on the writers.
Whew! Went on a bit long there. Have to cut back in the caffeine.
;)
@@CaptKG It could be that Clover figured his good luck semblance would win against Tyrian if he could just neutralize Qrow and his bad luck semblance which cancels his semblance out. Qrow probably had the same idea, just vice versa. If you think about it that way, it makes a lot of sense.
I still didn't like it but at least I get it. Maybe.
Heartless
Im actually in some agreement with jordie, as a whole, i didnt like the ace ops, as she said, being annoying tools that do their master's bidding just like that, regardless if they "think they're doing the right thing, doing their job", doesnt make their puppet mentality any better, with ironwood pulling the strings and them listening to the tee, ATLAS: "don't think, obey," sorry but i don't have alot of respect for ppl who follow someone blindly not having a mind for themselves, never questioning anything, i atleast had some hope for marrow, imo out of the 5 he atleast seem to be the main one who had some sense and as far as clover goes, its partly his own fault for his death, don't get me wrong, qrow and tyrian are at fault too, but clover played into it as well being a fucking idiot being a tool still following orders. Not prioritising the BIGGER THREAT!
@SaviorOfNirn yet i would rather have a platoon who questions my orders before immediately doing them, esp if my orders were questionable then a platoon who just follows suit, never did i say it was out of character, because it is apart of their character, as to part of why i do not like them nor care to have any sympathy for them
@@RoseScar And that's exactly how you lose wars in real life. Insubordination leads to chaos, chaos leads to unnecessary death.
Now, in this series, if team RWBY were honest with Ironwood and since the begining and didnt backstabbed him leaking the info about Aminy things would actually ended differently. It's RWBY's fault If James and the Ace-ups lost trust on them.
Except they are following Ironwood because Team RWBY's actions are literally unjustified and considered a betrayal
@@eliudesantos3237 Just a heads up, its Amity. Not Aminy.
@@eliudesantos3237
No, historically speaking you're more likely to lose if your soldiers are fighting with their brains switched off. While you don't want open insubordination, modern military tactics are based around the "mission-type tactic" system where a goal is set and field commanders delegated a lot of responsibility in how to achieve it, including being permitted to question if an order previously given would still be given in their current situation, and to not follow it if they feel it would not be. The focus is on achieving the _intent_ of orders rather than precisely following every letter of them.
Bad luck? No, had decisions and writing. In what world would Qrow side with Tyrian to take out Clover? No matter what the feelings between them, they would have teamed up to recapture Tyrian. No other response makes any type of sense at all.
Because Clover focused on his current orders instead of Tyrian and more than likely Qrow was hoping his bad luck would trip Tyrian up.
Also Clover wasn't in the crash so he was definitely at full strength compared to the two of them.
Mark Bell the moment Clover decided he would rather fight Qrow than the serial killer meant Qrow doesn’t have a choice.
The more personal and complicated the conflict, the less room there is for sense within it. This was an extreme example of the conflict triangle, but those things can get nonsensical fast when emotions run high.
I really hated this scene when I watched it for the first time.
I still don't like it and think it really stretches credibility, but I've at least kinda made my peace with it.
On rewatch it really is Clover that is constantly going after Qrow instead of Tyrian. So if you're prepared to believe that Clover is so invested into following Ironwoods orders that he'd neglect recapturing Tyrian (which I still think is a stretch, hence I only kinda made my peace) the scene kinda makes sense. Because this puts Qrow in a really bad spot:
If he doesn't change anythin it is 2 on 1 against him and he'll likely be incapacitated before long and have to hope that Clover manages to take down Tyrian afterwards. But he doesn't want to give up that control and so he instead choses to fokus more on Clover instead of Tyrian to make it 2 on 1 in his favor.
And if you look closely Qrow isn't really working with Tyrian but just not directly attacking him anymore and it's Tyrian that is actively helping him.
But I'll definitely agree that Qrow attacking Clover when he'd just kinda got Tyrian, instead of switching tactics and secure Tyrian before continuing the fight with Clover, was really stupid.
That said I still don't like it because I agree that two sane adults should be able to realize that - whatever else the situation might be - recapturing the crazy serial killer (that it just took 3 people to take down) should be priority number 1. So I agree that it was primarily a poor writing choice because it really doesn't make to much sense😕
First. That's right I did it. Shame me 🤣🤣
*insert Game of Thrones "Shame! Shame! Shame!* gif here.
i am sorry but this reaction was just annoying because of jordie
Agreed
Why do you feel she is annoying? Because she didn't agree 100% with what you saw and felt regarding the episode? Because if so that is the same thing with her calling the Ace Ops annoying because she didn't agrre with them. If it bothers you, well, then get over it. People don't have to feel the same way or agree all the way with each other. That is okay. No need to be rude.
@@KonathaoSoberuNartio her fucking mentality is what is annoying don't get me i love seeing her reactions her mentality just made it annoying this time
@@jordiereason And it's sad that the way most people tend to "handle" it is to attack and insult someone *hugs*
As each episode goes by i tend to like Jordie less and less.. just the way she goes on and how she looks at everything in Rwby as Black/White with no in between. She has her opinion and side she chooses which is fine but just because Ironwoods/Ace-ops side doesn't agree with hers then everyone against her opinion is "stupid & annoying". Lots of stuff is going wrong, you cant imagine being in any of their positions and make 100% logical actions. Both sides have very valid points and while i personally side with team Rwby etc i can totally see where Ironwood is coming from and respect their logic.
I just feel she is too close-minded and set in her ways. I genuinely prefer watching the reactions with just the guys. Nothing personal Jordie but you come across as a little "moany".
Geez, rude.
@@KonathaoSoberuNartio I don't mean it as an insult. Maybe it's just a case of using the wrong words to get your point across and me misinterpreting it but judging by other comments I'm not the only one who feels that way.
@@xxParamore04xx Yeah but close minded or not she has her reasons for feeling and reacting the way she does. I do wish she would open up a little more too with that but honestly it's okay. Her reactions are valid because it's how she feels at the time. There's nothing wrong with it. Just like there is nothing wrong with wanting a more open minded approach from her. What does become an issue is when people gang up on someone because they don't agree with them and essentially tey to force them to do that. I know that may not be your intention but it's what is kinds happening here with so many people. It is kind of bullying, intentionally or not.
@@KonathaoSoberuNartio It's not bullying, it's MY opinion of how she came across in the video, for all i know she's super awesome in real life and maybe she is. I'm entitled to my opinion just like anyone else, i pointed out my reasons for how i came about that opinion and i think most people would feel they're valid (regardless of if they agree or disagree). You can disagree with them and that's perfectly fine but don't come leaping to attack what i said and try twist it into that " i was attacking her and bullying" because i clearly was not.
I was not being rude or disrespectful. Get off your high horse please.
@@xxParamore04xx The fact that you are piling onto her with so many other people IS bullying. It's been said many times now. Yes, you were more discussion oriented. But it was still rude and really doesn't need to be said.
I've said a few times myself that I don't really agree with or like how Jordie only views things from her perspective. But that's just it. There's no need to harp on someone for it. No need to join in the chorus of voices proclaiming that it's wrong or bad or annoying or whatever. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have to say something, especially when it's already been said. THAT is when it becomes bullying.
I'm totaling in sync with Jordie this episode. Yes, vol 7 is great, but vol 3 is still better. I do not connect with any new character from Vol 4 onward.
I have never liked people from Atlas, except for Penny, Neon, Flint, Cline, Pietro, and Willow. The rest are all a bunch of Karens and Kens. Even Weiss was a Karen at first, so kudos to her for leaving and obtaining some humility. Hopefully she can help her sister Winter to not be a Karen too. But right now, I will "giggle" if Winter dies.
Furthermore, I now have respect for Tyiran as a villain this volume because he's more Joker than The Joker, (except the Heath Ledger version, which in a class of it's own.)
I bet you just agreed because they went against the main characters
@@justindeliwe8065: Technically, you're right, but that is a superficial why of putting it. Every (main) character from Atlas is a narcissist that does not take responsibility for their own actions.
@@arikwolf3777 ok cool.
@@arikwolf3777 Eh not every. Quite a number seem to be more inward facing but I wouldn't exactly say narcissistic either.
@@KonathaoSoberuNartio: Fine, narcissistic is an exaggeration, but they are defiantly self-centered.