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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- There’s been a lot of talk in the Sonic community regarding a fan game called Sonic Omens. The Sonic community creates a lot of fan games, so much so we have two annual events per year dedicated to celebrating them, so what’s got everyone talking about this one in particular?
In short, controversy. There’s reason to believe the developers, Ouroboros Studios, have been monetising the game, with accusations they’d locked previous demo builds behind a Patreon pay wall.
In this video, I’m going to be addressing a few questions:
1. Is Sonic Omens being monetised?
2. Is there a problem with monetising fan games?
3. Is monetising a fan game any different from monetising fan art or TH-cam videos?
4. Is it anyone else’s business or concern?
I will not be discussing the quality of the fan game. I’m not here to review Sonic Omens. I’m not even sure how well my PC would run it.
#sonic #sonicOmens #sega - เกม
UPDATE: There has been a statement from the official Sonic Social Media Manager that says:
"Hey Sonic fans - I appreciate you all reaching out with concerns over fan games and monetization!
So long as no profit is involved, there is usually* no issue with y'all using our blue boy to hone your art and dev skills.
*((for legal reasons I can't promise all content is ok))
We can handle outliers case-by-case as we notice them, but our goal isn't to stifle everything.
Please do not use this thread to call out any specific groups or people; we're all learning here and I appreciate how receptive everyone I've spoken to has been. 💛"
Source: twitter.com/KatieChrz/status/1391900579966844930?s=19
Kk then and well the fan developers are poking the bear then
Flashback Guy huh? Did they gave him the green light?
@@mariamuffins8173 Sega didn't explicitly give them a green light as such, so much as a "we don't think there is a specific problem here." after some discussions and changes were made.
Of course, since then, with Omens being officially released, it came more to light that whilst references to Omens were removed from the Patreon, as you can see in this video, they did maintain them on a Russian equivalent to Patreon and other areas. So the concerns in the video weren't so much addressed, as they were made less visible.
They also maintained adverts on the Game Jolt page, a feature that Game Jolt specifically say should only be enabled if you can fully monetise your project.
If you ask me, Omens is a pretty fitting title for the game, considering the negative implications it could spell for the fan game community for the blue blur and SEGA.
That’s some pretty damning evidence that shows how we can all get screwed over if this behavior keeps up. Great video.
Yeah, definitely don't like the bear, Sega would be fully within their rights to crush this game and anyone else's.
It's not even like this can't be monetised in an appropriate way if they're willing to make some sacrifices. What is Freedom Planet if not a Sonic fangame with the serial numbers filed off?
Good point, they could easily go the route of Freedom Planet or Spark the Electric Jester, or even Mighty No 9, Bloodstained, Yooka-Laylee etc.
Freedom Planet and Spark IS the difference. It's no different than how Rockband or Yooka Laylee differentiates itself. I cant deny the hard work that went into the project, but its foolish to work souly on a fan project like this while using it to incentivise your crowd funding.
Look at it this way, it's way easier to get attention using an established IP, games like Spark had to work from the ground up. There is something a little creatively bankrupt about this fan game for that reason. Remove Sonic or Tails from some of these environments and you wouldn't even know what IP it's for.
@ That's exactly why I used that as an example, they were smart and went the extra mile to make their own IP.
@@lambasted6886 I think you didn't understood his point, he was trying to say that as the way FP, Spark, M N.9 etc. Are so similar to other games yet different Sonic Omens should do the same and do it's own thing instead of clinging on Sonic's IP, that was the whole point it wasn't that hard to understand
This all sounds like a yandere dev situation. And while the situations are two completely different beasts, the crutch of both situations is wheather or not you should be profiting off of patreon. In the case of Sonic Omens, no. This reminds me of Megaman Battle Network X Toho. THat fan game was funded by patreon, and that game got a cease and desist letter by capcom. It's one of about 3 fan games capcom ever took down. And capcom has a similar policy to sega when it comes to fan games. So as long your not profiting from it, your good. So yes. Having a patreon would just put them on the hit list, regardless of how copyright is handled in Russia.
That said, the difference between Megaman Battle Network X Toho and Sonic Omens is that sonic fans are worried that SOnic Omens would encurage of Sonic fan game creators to monities their fan games. Personally, I don't think that should be a big worry. Most people are well aware why fan games are called fan games, and with youtuber and other people spreading awarness to copyright laws regarding fan games, I doubt other people would be dumb enough to go the way of Sonic Omens, regardless of have popular it gets.
As for Sonic Omens itself, I been watching the project even from when it was branded Sonic 2020. The team has shown that they are capable of taking constructive critism. Each update to the game has shown a boat load of improvments due to said constructive critism. ANd I like to think that extends to their patreon. As you said, they might still be using the patreon money to pay off everyone who was commissioned on the team, but I'm sure once the team becomes more aware of the situation, they might stop using patreon money completly to fund Sonic Omens. Already, the fact that they cleaned up their patreon at all is a good first step. That already makes them better then Yandere dev. In addition, even before the clean up, they never actually advertised their patreon on their youtube channel or their gamejolt page. That gotta mean something.
Also, on a side note, some people might think it's scummy of them to rebrend the team name from Team Mania to Oroboros Studio and Sonic 2020 to Sonic Omens just to trick people that they are a new game who needs money but... that's just a really silly argument. If Popgoes 2020 can rebrand themselfs to Popgoes Evergreen, then sonic 2020 has the right to update their title too to match the times. It was pretty ovious that sonic 2020 was a placeholder title anyways. As for changing the team name from Mania Team to Oroboros Studio, once again, they had to do that. Even before they cleaned up their patreon, they had screenshots of their original projects mixed in, so if they are gonna focus on those original projects later, they gotta distance themselves from sonic.
As someone who saw similar, more oviously shady projects before, some of the acusations placed on SOnic Omens is just ridicouslous. Though I agree that the concern is very real.
At least Yandere Simutator is original IP inspired by Yandere Genere of Japan anime and such with some easter eggs here and there. Sonic Omens was made by group of people with some sucuss while Yandere Simulator was made by one person with some setbacks. So there is a similar but difference between the two here.
Wow this is really scary actually. I love seeing fan games coming up with ideas like what if sonic plays like breath of the wild? or what if sonic plays like this? It's so fun seeing what interesting things people come up with and see how well it looks.
Having that striped away from the community seems very scary and unfortunate and hopefully that never happens or gets to that point. Hopefully the people who made Sonic Omens stop this act and treat Sonic Omens like a Hobby fan game for people to enjoy for FREE with no money involved.
It's not about doing it for the Money. It's about doing it for the fans and doing it for fun.
Sonic Fan Games is what keeps us occupied while we wait for the next new Sonic Game for about 3 or 4 year's. It let's us see more Sonic content.
Because we love our Blue Blur,
Sonic The Hedgehog
Stumbled upon this, and especially in regards toward your commentary on this potentially rippling back out toward the fandom in general, I am uncertain if you were familiar with a Star Trek Fan Film called Axanar that raised a ridiculous amount of money and caused a legal dispute. Literally actual proof of the exact premise you are talking about. As a result of the legal battle, Paramount and CBS redefined what they count as a fan film, creating very tightly bound terms and conditions that effectively made old fan works that were previously okay in violation and preventing future fans from being able to create nearly anything, shutting down many projects as a result.
I wasn't aware of the Star Trek incident but it's interesting to know it has happened to another fandom.
I learned a new way to say controversy
Me too, "controv-osy" lol
welcome to britain lmao
i learned that way of saying it through family guy lmfao
I shared the video around quite a lot. I agree with everything in this video. The worst part I think is that, since Russia isn't the best with legal stuff, Omens would probably be one of the only fan games still alive if SEGA took drastic action, as it's pretty much out of SEGA's reach unless they want to take the chance. As someone who is making a fan game, I hope to do what I can to stop this, I don't want to lose my passion projects overnight.
I'd record a video myself of this, but you explained it all way better than I could, so I'll share this around wherever I can. I hope we can stop Omens or SEGA will keep the legal action to JUST Omens, because it would be horrible for the innocents to get caught in the crossfire.
SEGA could at least Tweet something saying it's not okay to make money off of THEIR property, but their radio silence does make me think they're either planning something big or aren't paying attention.
Whatever happens, I hope things don't end up becoming sour between the fans and SEGA, Sonic is a series I'm passionate for, and I love to make content based around it. If we lose this fight because of ONE development team that's JUST outside of the law, I'll be heartbroken. But that's exactly why we must stop this whole Patreon mess.
It's worse when the Russian fans in the sonic fan community are being attacked because of this guy
Very good video, the only thing i feel it's missing is reviewing the patreon posts behind paywall, as those are kind of in a grey area where they are about the fangame but focused on original assets.
Yeah, but to view those I'd have to support their Patreon and yeah, no thanks, not giving them any money.
@@WebstersTH-cam Completely understandable, what i know is from someone paying but then revoking the subscription after taking a look (which is morally grey kinda)
@@tigersonalex well sometimes to get the truth you have to do some morally grey stuff sometimes.
Well said.
true, he isn't like "ThIs FaNgAmE sUcKs" or "ArTisTs AlSo MaKe MoNeY" but he actually explains it well and not like that the fangame is not good or monetising is good, the offical sonic social media manager explained it and said they're fine with fangames except those who profit, if you want to make money off a game, then make your own IP, there's a lot of game idea generators out there but no, outboros (?) won't listen and keep all their time on Sonic Omens and not their other legal IPs
As someone who actually played Sonic Omens, I actually feel bad about not hearing about the monetization until now. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful game and it's one of the better sonic fan games I've played, but it really isn't that great of a sonic game. It is pretty good for the most part, especially the story, cutscenes, and the first level pretty much, the rest still has issues that need fixing here and there with bad level design. The monetization, however, would end up being problematic for the sonic fan game community, and after hearing about the creator's attitude towards this, it pretty much ruined it for me to even like this game. At least we still have Sonic GT, which is sad that a lot of people aren't talking about that game, because it's remarkably amazing
As soon as you outlined your argument they were already guilty of monetization
I was planning to check up on Omens and see what all the hype was about before the controversy. I've been putting it off until I watched your video and saw the background footage, my gosh it looks stunning.
I also learned about Copyright along the way, so that's a neat bonus
Heh, one downside of covering this topic is giving the game more of a platform and putting more eyes on the studio, increasing their chances of getting funding.
@@WebstersTH-cam well, if they watch this video of yours and others like yours. They'll find out why funding fan games out of official IPs is a bad idea out of all the points you've given. So I'm not sure why they'd be willing to after this.
@@zubair1149 you have more faith in people than I do. Some people will watch this (or rather half of this, according to Analytics) and still defend Ouroboros until they're blue in the face :(
@@WebstersTH-cam well even if they watch half of this, the half the video still consists of why this is a bad idea. And that may be enough for them to consider the consequences.
I reckon the people who would most likely be funding this are the fans who have been following this project from the beginning.
So I can see why some fans would be hesitant to stop funding them after following them for so long. (Of course, I believe other fans of the project will actually see the consequences and stop instead.)
Whereas newbies like me who just caught wind of this are more likely to encounter videos like this one (or more popular ones) covering this same controversy and are less likely to fund for them.
In the end, this funding *will* stop and there's no delaying the inevitable
Either from the peer pressure of Sonic Fan Game Community (if they listen to the community and stop the funding before it's too late, they'll still be able to have their game available on the internet and still be able to work on it)
Or they'll soon face the hard way and it's consequences from Sega with a cease and desist.
Either way, it will stop and there's no way out of this for Ouroboros and their supporters money will all have been for naught.
So they should stop themselves and keep their project intact before Sega stops them and kills their passion project once and for all.
If Ourboros came to this realisation, they would stop while they're ahead seeing as they're not allowed to profit from this anyway and they wouldn't want to have their project taken away from the internet and have all their 1000s of hours of effort for nothing if no-one else can play it.
This is a brilliant video, and I hope that more fans defending Omens come across it. Informative, easy to understand and explains everything.
I think monetizing is a pretty risky idea for the sonic community but I also want to point fingers at the people who actually buy the subscriptions. of course, the majority of the fault is to the developers since they are the ones that made the patreon but, I just think that this situation wouldn't be in the light if people didn't buy the subscriptions. The people should some what know about the law so technically, they are participating in illegal practices.
@@Supersonicblue1027 I mean that is true. People are saying its buying but its not.
If you wanna make money off of your development, THEN JUST MAKE YOUR OWN IP.
and then they're gonna come with an excuse as dumb as "We Don't have good ideas" but they can literally generate a game idea from a game idea generator.
Or y'know...GET A SUSTAINABLE JOB.
@ that is also an option.
many in the community just see this games' graphics and praise it like it's the second coming of christ. i get the sonic community has a lot of children but they need to be taught to see malice in a book over it's cover
I agree that just because it looks pretty doesn’t mean it’s good
Did you play it?
I’ve played it and it’s great. By the way I played on pc BUT with a controller. Playing the game with a controller is a must unless you want to struggle the entire game you need a controller. The graphics are great as well and people complain about the flying parts. The controls are actually good for it unless playing on keyboard some parts for it suck but overall it’s alright.
@@carzia_speed2235 Mouse and keyboard are superior to plastic toys controllers.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Have you even tried it
Thank you for talking about this topic. I knew people like Dillian Thomas defending this illegal behavior were in the wrong in the first place, and I'm honestly glad you had brought up Copyright Law in this drama. As someone who knows way more about Copyright Law than them, I'm honestly glad people like you step in, and actually provide solid evidence against them. It's honestly digusting how these people are defending this sort of behavior despite this being ILLEGAL, and not even bringing Copyright Law up because then, they'll be easily proven wrong.
Anyways, this is too based and red-pill, more so than people such as Dillian Thomas would like to admit. Thanks for stepping into this situation, I thought I was almost alone in this situation, but videos like this tell me I'm not.
No worries. A lot of people base their understanding of copyright and fair use on secondhand information so I thought it was important to break out the actual wording of the law and break it down. :)
Dillon Thomas is a complete joke in the Sonic fanbase. He was even quite controversial on Twitter.
The best video describing (misspelling) covering this topic
You created Sonic Brutus? Def gonna check it out!
See, this is morally wrong from my understanding. Rhetorically, is it really that bad for one to make their own original IP. You don't have to worry about copyright infringement, licensing without permission, or a cease and desist letter. I know Sonic is huge in the multimedia circuit, but making your own ip could be just as famous. It's frustrating for Oroboro to do this.
I do love the fact that tho that I can take anyone's characters and draw them and make money off of something I didn't create but I drew it so that means I can sell it! That's awesome!
They should wait for SEGA to approach them for work, not monetize a fan game.
@@Supersonicblue1027 Exactly. People don’t understand what sega meant by profiting. The game is free. If it was profiting a whole lawsuit would be taking place at this very second. People are not smart about this whole thing.
There was a whole situation where the dev locked certain features behind a Patreon page, and then he deleted it when he got called out.
@@RedHatGuyYT If that’s true I hope it stays deleted. By now he should know that Sega wants no profiting off of the game like certain features or making the game cost money.
@@Supersonicblue1027 Did you..watch the video at all
The thing that ticks me off is that people can't understand what the man is saying here and some just straight up ignore him like yo this could ruin fan games by pulling a stunt like this i love fan games they can be so amazing but when you try making money off of a fan game thats where things come into question yes is it sad that they put so much time and effort into it yes but if they wanted to make money they could have used there own IP but they didn't instead they just made a sonic fan game and the don't own anything also the games not even that good sonic sounds decent all the other characters sound like ass and my god what are those lips eggmans model looks like ass and just oh man i love sonic he was my hero since i was old enough to read but you can't just do this this harms not only the fandom but fan games as a whole
Thank you. What's "fun" is seeing TH-cam analytics showing how many people watch the full video and then seeing comments making arguments that are addressed in the video. I can quickly tell who commented without watching the whole thing, and it tends to be the people who want to argue with me.
If Sega wanted to give this game an official console release, would they have any legal ability?
No I don't think so. They own the IP not the work. Although, some companies have history of using roms from non official sites when they re-release old games, but I guess that's a different kind of situation situation
@ source??
I have a saying: "If artistic passion was some kind of currency to buy food and pay bills, then do it for free. But sadly, that's not the reality". Even today, art is seen as a simple hobby, and not as a "real job" beside all the time and effort artists put into their creations.
In the video I do state that:
1 - I advocate for artists getting paid
2 - I work full-time as a designer
3 - If they want to get paid, work for Sega or create their own IP
Telling them they can't make money from Sonic Omens has everything to do with copyright, trademark, and IP law and nothing to do with devaluing art.
@@WebstersTH-cam Yes, I understand. But in this case in particular, let's think about how much time they invest by making a game of this scale and ambition.
If they decide to work only in their free time without any profit, how much time will that take? 5 years, or maybe more? Even the creators themselves may lose that passion that inspires them.
@@videodvd yeah, it would take five years, and if they're that dedicated they'll stick with doing it for free in their spare time or they'll create their own world and characters and Kickstart their own IP.
All of the passion and artistic desire in the world is worthless in front of a judge.
@@videodvd I agree with Webster if money is going to drive the passion for someone's work in a fan game then don't do it at all. I think almost everyone would admit this is THE number 1 fan game if it was made without any profit. This is because we know it's this gorgeous and made out of passion, but the fact that their drive is motivated by money and they are just regular people ruins what was going for them. Think about it like this there's a difference in "I would support these guys because this is very good work" vs the creators saying "if I don't get any money for this then I'm not going to do this"
@@goliathfloxfur9755 Yes. But I've heard (if someone can prove me wrong, they're welcome) that they are Sonic fan animations and Sonic comics that were made possible by people supporting their creators also via Patreon, and SEGA didn't do anything about it.
What about fan made animated series, like for example: let's say I wanna make an animated series based Sonic, but it could cost a fortune to produce and animate, I take it to Patreon to help fund its production, would I have to acknowledge the fact it is unofficial or there other complications at play here?
Thats fine, considering its an animation. Due to Sonic being a VIDEOGAME franchise, getting monetization and putting a game behind a paywall is in fact not allowed. Anything else like art, animations, all the alike are fine.
@@neisucksatlife5609 According to who? Do you even know what copyright infringement is?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 I do? Its just that being payed for a whole different company's game franchise, with locking game content behind a patreon paywall, just won't end good with SEGA
@@neisucksatlife5609 Yet you have created mental gymnastics to justify profiting off of the IP through animations, fan art, souvenirs and others?
This is what I'd call hypocrisy.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Im not justifying it as right, im just saying that SEGA wont take legal action most likely, since its not using their VIDEOGAME ip??
Okay, all this being said, what about games with supported mods features, like how Minecraft, skyrim, fallout, and terraria, as well as many others may have officially licensed places to upload mods and in the case of terraria, you have to play through the main game via another app that solely functions off of the main terraria downloaded app. If someone made a patreon to support a mod (for examples I believe the calamity mod & thorium mod have a patreon) would they also fall under breaking these laws?
you are not like "ThIs FaNgAmE sUcKs" or "ArTisTs AlSo MaKe MoNeY" but you actually explain it well and not like that the fangame is not good or monetising is good, the offical sonic social media manager explained it and said they're fine with fangames except those who profit, if you want to make money off a game, then make your own IP, there's a lot of game idea generators out there but no, outboros (?) won't listen and keep all their time on Sonic Omens and not their other legal IPs
I enjoyed playing SO and it was really cool. But yeah, I couldn't really get past the other levels. I do play other Sonic Infinity Engine games tho.
Underrated channel to be honest.
I feel Omens looks good my problem is that there making money off the game. A fan could make fan games but don't bank on it unless the characters are purely original characters
and now people still supporting the game just made up that SEGA allowed the developers permission to monetize the game. AND PEOPLE ARE BELIEVING THIS.
There has been a statement from MiniKitty, the official Sonic Social Media Manager saying fan games are usually okay, provided money isn't involved. twitter.com/KatieChrz/status/1391900579966844930?s=19
@@WebstersTH-cam yeah so it wouldnt make sense for sega to allow this random fan game to monitize
@@SuperSireBoyYT They allow it because it is not monetized, duh?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 it WAS monetized, if you watched the video, you'd know that. Common sense would also tell you that sega letting the devs monetize the game MAKES NO SENSE
@@SuperSireBoyYT Another point he made was that suing and taking OuroBoros to court is COSTLY, and is more likely to more cost them than benefit them.
INB4 Nintendo has a reason why they take down fan games
I can´t lie I still like the fan game but It was just made by the wrong people which is the sad part.
I cant believe people are getting so defensive of omens. It isnt even that good. It's only getting so much likes because of the infinity engine and graphics. The infinity engine is very cool but graphics dont make a game no matter how next gen they look.
The gameplay is very fun, too.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 it LOOKS fun it plays like garbage
Attempt at being edgy on a demo game by disliking a demo 💀
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 i It is the same Gameplay as in unleashed and generations no?
I only really care about the most recent version of Infinity Engine Plus, so Sonic Omens is kinda meh to me.
I think it's not right asking money for a fangames with characters of other companies, if you have the permission from Sega it's ok like with Sonic Mania but asking money I think it's wrong
This is true
“You can’t monotize your fan games”
Touhou fans, yah sure about that
Actually, zun's terms of use only allow to monetize fan game via a contract with him, fan games monetized without contract break his licence
See all the patreon stuff would be fine if content wasn't LOCKED behind it, but here they are.
There is no content locked behind it.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 In the patreon? Yeah there was, probably will be more considering the creators.
@@neisucksatlife5609 False accusations can land you in jail.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Its not that deep? Im literally just worrying about the future for sonic fangames, because it'll become exactly how nintendo turned out.
@@neisucksatlife5609 Go read what Katie from Sega said.
...OUROBOROS...STUDIOS...MEGA MAN ZX ADVENT???
Sega typically don’t care if fans make fangames they’re not like Nintendo in that regard but with that being said trying to profit off of a legally owned IP is not cool and is just asking for a lawsuit and I’ll say with full confidence that Omens is nowhere near the kind of game that’s worth fighting a legal battle but it would be funny to see
Did you know that Mega Man fan games are also have paywall, and no one of fans are complaining about it?
@@Endriu192 I didn’t know but it’s something I would expect from capcom
@@dayvonlouis5187 So I don't see the reasons, why Sonic fan games cannot be monetised?
@@Endriu192 for the same reasons you legally cannot monetize Mario, Pokemon, Mickey Mouse and (insert any IP here) they are protected by copyright/trademark laws unless you *legally* have the authority or approval to sell anything that features a license character or franchise you’ll catch some severe consequences no matter how much effort is put towards any project or product and *if* Sega lets them slide with using their IPs to make something (fangames, artwork,etc.) that’s what they decided to do, you “can” monetize IPs if you can get away with it in the case of the team of Sonic Omens they aren’t an extension of Sega or Sonic team.
The TLDR you cannot legally sell characters or parts of a franchise you don’t own and this isn’t Solely a Sonic fangame thing
@@dayvonlouis5187 Sega have already gave to them the greenlight and they said that they do not do anything with it.
Sega is so kind in these situations and I want to believe they're not doing it because it costs more to fight fan games then to embrace them
Oroboros is a shady dev to say the least and honestly I've heard much more bad about them and the game isn't even worth the fuss
Don't turn Sega into Nintendo people
I think that Sonic Omens is a ploy to try and get SEGA to issue C&Ds against other fangames and mods of official Sonic games.
well Sega wants nobody but their self get money we have a lot of fan games that you can buy (even in patreon like : Resident Evil - Wesker's Rebirth demo and first version) and also some game like blackmesa that came to steam but its just fan remake of half life 1 I don't know much about copyright well as long as my country doesn't have it but as far as I know supporting artist work and selling your content is not something bad is it? i mean you work hard in it oh and btw even in roblox we have some sonic games that you must buy to play! (or have in app purchase)
sonic omen is not only game who sell they beta or early version of the game in pateron we have: resident evil - weskers rebirth demo and natural vision evolved which do the same (for example everyone say natural vision evolved is gta vi you can just search best graphic mode for gta v and see it your self) and its still one sale on for pateron page but latest release will be free same happend to re weskers rebirth i dont know any more game now but i mean even if he broke the rules its not a big deal when they are banning sonic omen game they are still a lot of games and mods in same pateron that are getting sale!)
SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH :x
There's a difference between a moral argument and a legal argument. Even this video says that right and wrong aren't always the same as legal and illegal.
"Sega wants nobody but their self get money" That's correct, and that's Sega's legal right as the IP owner. Imagine you made your own comic, game, what-have-you. How protective would you be of it? Would you be okay with other people making money from characters and universes you created if they didn't ask for your permission?
"we have a lot of fan games that you can buy" "in pateron we have: resident evil - weskers rebirth demo" "btw even in roblox we have some sonic games that you must buy to play!" Yes, those are also illegal. Precedent isn't an excuse. If I rob a store and get away with it, it's still illegal and immoral for you to rob a store.
"blackmesa that came to steam but its just fan remake of half life" Valve have a history of choosing to support mods and fan works, turning them into official products. Team Fortress started life as a Quake mod. Counter-Strike was likewise a Half-Life mod. Valve chose to make them official instead of sending a cease and desist. Not every company is Valve. Not every company is going to make that decision. Sega aren't obliged to respond in the same way Valve has.
"I don't know much about copyright" Hopefully, this video has told you everything you need to know. "my country doesn't have it" That's sadly irrelevant. As discussed in the video, any disputes relating to Patreon are governed by California law as stated in the site's user agreement. That's why, despite being British, I based the video on the United States' copyright laws.
"supporting artist work and selling your content is not something bad is it?" We're confusing moral and legal arguments again and repeating ground I covered in the video. Yes, artists are incredibly skilled. Yes, artists deserve to be paid for their work. Sonic isn't theirs to sell though. If they want to sell Sega / Nintendo / Disney / whatever stuff, there's official licensing routes they can pursue. If they don't want to deal with that, or can't afford to, they need to come up with their own original works and sell that instead. I say that as someone with a BA (Hons) in Games Art & Design), a years long career as a Senior Instructional Designer, and several indie comic titles under my belt.
@@WebstersTH-cam wow thank you for information i get it now thx to you! so its all about original ip owner let fans to make money from their ips and support them or not or even ban them from doing this like what sega do. its good for some digital marketing reasons but also its very very bad because we will dont see a good or better to say epic sonic fan game because its almost impossible without money i mean even sega itself if want to make a free sonic game without any dlc or in app purchase its going to be trash as hell and this is sega what one creator or team can do when people cant even donate them :( but at least its still better then some dev like ubisoft,ea and capcom :D
thx again for info you helped me a lot!!
For me as long as it goes to the game and not their pockets or if they have the patreon separate from the game then i see no problem, also if i were them I’d just get rid of the patreon all together and put out an apology
the law is wrong, it encourages monopoly, ends competition, does not help consumers or the poorest.
@PhantomLee if you took the work aswered me, so , for you was relevant somehow. And for me just talk a little bit the true, influence the others.
It really pisses me off when I see people wanting money for their Fangames behind a paywall.
It's illegal to do so and is disgusting as Sonic isn't anyone's IP but Sega only!
Soon Sega will start becoming like Nintendo in banning fangames forever if this Toxic Behavior from fans doesn't stop soon.
This should be shared around to stop this madness.
I personally see nothing wrong with monetizing a fangame, the creators can use that money to improve on the game and possibly use that money towards future projects as long as they make sure to include that it isn't an official Sega title
patreon is a donation platform for supporting the creators themselves, sonic omens is not being "monetized"
I'm giving out a lot of awards for "Clearly did not watch the video before commenting" on this upload. That exact point is brought up and proven to be false.
@@WebstersTH-cam "Proven to be false"
This is in fact, yep, false
What’s the difference between monetising a fan game and monetising a TH-cam video of a sonic game?
Both are profiting of sonic
As Dillon Thomas correctly argued it’s not so black and white
Not to be rude, but did you watch the video? Because I cover that in the video.
@@WebstersTH-cam my fault I did watch the video you did explain yourself but I still links back to the simple fact that unless this fan game outright made a paywall for the demo
I’m talking 9.99 for a demo that’s the only way I see sega taking them to court
@@WebstersTH-cam This guy is a friend of theirs and has been actively been trying to defend this illegal behavior of theirs, it’s pointless to argue against them.
@@Remour The absolute nerve that people are willing to defend illegal practices.
@@KrashyKharma Don't defend this illegal practice.
Sonic Omens on PS4 anyone? It's been on PC for a while now.
It’s unofficial (misspelling)
@@75JUNAKI Oh, well...
Omens have fixed their issues with the Patreon, as the previous demo 2020 was in this “danger zone” by hiding paywall content, but they stopped that which puts them in the clear as the pateron is optional which supports the creators. If this was a serious issue TH-cam would’ve been e taken down long time ago as TH-camrs profits off of copyrighted content, Sega Literally let Omens go because Omens did nothing wrong to begin with.
How idiotic Sonic fan base is.
Would you like to know, that some of Mega Man Fan games ALSO have a Ko-fi or Patreon monetisation? And no one in there is complaining about it?
Far, far, far too many ads on this video man
......I only see 4 adds what’d you mean?
@@75JUNAKI 2 at the start, 2 in the middle, 2 at the end.
I'm on mobile
@@HLGmatrix1
Still 4 for me
@@HLGmatrix1 He illegally profits off of the Sonic IP while complaining that someone illegally profits off of the Sonic IP.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 can you not?
444 likes.
It’s a free game where you can get all the stuff for free and it’s better than any sonic games that’s come out in years
Have you played this game it only looks good it plays like shit
I agree with the first stuff but have you played the game it’s flawed
Shock Value not massively it’s an independent and look at the past AC games. Cyberpunk. This is not even indie it’s a startup
@@sonic101official Eh, I partially disagree. Whilst Sonic & Shadow's freedom of movement whilst running at top speed is a bit *too* free for my liking, they still feel rather nice to play, 'specially in Chao Paradise and Area 99 (provided you aren't sweating a speedrun, but i'm certain that goes for most games). Plane levels and bosses need ALOT of work, although contrary to the general theme with its bosses, the games 2nd boss is a bit *too* easy by comparison. Graphics are alright, but if anything gets too much praise from this game on either side of the coin, It's graphics. Like, it's really nothing revolutionary for a sonic game, even Sonic Unleashed has a certain level of polish in its graphics that make it look, well...complete in comparison to omen's graphics. Don't get me wrong, Omen's is nice to look at, but even in graphics is lacking.
At this point I'm just throwing my entire impression, so let's continue, shall we?
Voicework. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
6/10 for impersonation
2/10 for actual voicework.
I want to hear a new voice for sonic (that's not Ben Schwartz) and for said new voice to do well. All voices just have poor direction generally speaking.
Overall though, I had an enjoyable experience. Alot of work needed, no doubt; but I like what I played
no profitting, though. that aint cool.
You Have Kids????
who would’ve known gaming youtubers are committing a crime. Get ready gentlemens and gentlemens somebody’s gonna end up next to edp445 🤣🤣
Lots of Sega "could do this" or Sega "might just do this" and Sega is just:😶🤷🏿♂️
Textbook fearmongering my guy
He still bought good points either way.
Fear mongering is saying "this will happen"
What he is arguing is "too much of this could be damaging to the fanbase should SEGA decide to take action", it's a warning, not fear mongering.
@@KrashyKharma it's not unwarranted though, SEGA are first and foremost a business and take the actions of a business when necessary. Saying it is a possibility and a risk is not fear mongering, saying it's an imminent issue that will happen is fear mongering.
This wouldn't have happened or all this legal stuff wouldn't pop up if SEGA would actually do there damn job for once and actually make a good Sonic game for us instead of just slapping Sonic's face on games that strip him of his glory. I'm not saying that SEGA never made a good Sonic game I'm just saying that if they gave a dame about it they would get there heads out of their asses and make us a game worth our money.