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- Uh-Omens! We've got a weird one today everybody. Sonic Omens has quickly become a very controversial fan game even though it looks amazing at first sight. But, are looks enough to save an entire game from the chopping block??
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Gotta love the “Game development is hard guys, let them profit off of a ip they don’t own” when it’s a fan-game, but these people throw a fit and harass devs when a Sonic game isn’t a 10/10.
Fangames can be critiqued too you babies, Omens ain’t the second coming of christ, sheesh.
I agree with you, but I still think fan creators should be able to profit off of the IP. Doesn't mean what Omens did is right though, and you are correct.
Uhm, weak argument...
People are condescending with fangames because they're NOT professionals who get paid to fully work on it every day of the week.
Fans usually develop something in their free time, when they're not at work.
Take Cyberpunk 2077 this guy compares Sonic Omen to - Cyberpunk production costed 313 Million dollars.
There's NOTHING to compare here.
Fangames can be criticized as well, of course, but when you compare them to full-fledged triple-A games you're indirectly admitting it's so good there's nothing else to compare them to.
Even when you're so biased due to all the drama surrounding it. And this is indeed one of those instances.
The profit thing is just a non argument.
Far artists profit everyday from IP they don't own - not donations but straight-up selling their art. Which I think is fine.
But then we need to acknowledge that a fangame IS indeed fanart, only on an infinitely bigger scale.
(Also it's not like they were selling this game, it's free. That would be bad. But they only asked for donations.)
@@marinomele4575 He compared Sonic Omens to Cyberpunk 2077 because it’s notorious for it’s terrible performance issues.
@@idunno8690 0 dollar vs millions dollars 💀
@@weremickey Shouldnt SEGA profit off of this since this is a sonic game? Sega is losing money that they could be making from this game
"The game starts with tails coming in to inform sonic that eggman is evil"
"WHAT?!"
2:48
God that part of the video made me laugh way too hard
The footage at 0:57 is from the Sonic content creator Blue Vivacity. It's also footage of Sonic Infinity+, an expansion on the original Sonic Infinity Engine. Sonic Omens uses a more Vanilla version of the Sonic Infinity Engine, not the Sonic Infinity+ expansion that I myself spearhead. Some member of my team and I are also in the credits for Omens for 'donated work' and by donated work, I mean they took some assets from our expansion (which they are allowed to do as Sonic Infinity+ is open source) and nothing else. My team and I (who have been working on Infinity+ for the past 2 years) have no association with Sonic Omens or it's development whatsoever.
Side note: our Infinity+ framework actually has a lot of options to fix some of the issues you where having. For example we have the option for creators to decide whether or not they want the Homing Attack to track from the Camera or from Sonic in their fangame. There are also a lot of spline tools we have premade for creators to use in order to add automation to level segments as they please (these spline tools actually originate from Dash Engine but have been heavily modified since).
Friendly tip: I actually prefer and suggest people use Keyboard and Mouse when playing both Vanilla Infinity Engine and Infinity+ fangames. Playing Infinity fangames as if they where FPS platformers actually allows for much higher precision when moving at high speeds than controller does as allowing a mouse controlled camera to dictate direction rather than a joystick controlling movement makes things much easier to control when moving faster. It also improves the Homing Attack and makes it more versatile since you have quick and precise control of the camera at all times with the mouse. However we are trying to make Infinity+ more controller friendly as a lot of people do prefer to play with controller.
Thanks for all of the info! I've actually been following the Infinity project for a while now and hearing all of this is great to hear!
@@ShempOfficial Of course. I mainly wanted to get the point across that visuals aside, our work on Infinity+ isn't really comparable to that of what was done in Omens. Infinity+ at this point as very much become it's own thing separate from the build of Infinity Engine that Omens uses.
I'll also gladly try my best to dispel any other confusing things about Infinity if ever needed.
I see people say that you shouldn't be harsh on this game because "it's a fangame!!", when fans have been saying it's "better than Sonic Team", when I hear that I go in with VERY high expectations, and will criticize the game for not meeting those expectations
When People say it's "Better Then Sonic Team" I usually write that game off my list of Fangames to play. Cause usually they end up Being Overhyped.
Yeah, I don't get how they can both say its better than anything Sonic Team made (its not by a long shot) and then also defend it being bad by saying its just a fan game and you shouldn't have high expectations, like which is it?
@@sonicdml4175
The only game that geniuenly deserves that kind of praise is Sonic Robo Blast 2 in my opinion
I killed myself laughing hearing Shadow's voice
same
This game was clearly voiced by people who don't speak native English.
And extremely easy to tell that their first language is not English...and is most likely Russian instead.
Shadow's original VO was replaced by the developer all because the original vo had to wait for his new microphone to show up.
@@ChaseMC215Funny thing is he said “Ayo my new mic is coming in TWO DAYS” and the fully just replaced him for it
This video is underrated.
Because I think it's the most in-deep and also fun review of Sonic Omens. Most reviews misses some things and details.
This is the most solid, honest review I have ever seen for an fan game and I love everything about it.
Aged like fine wine
2:06
Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna reanimate that part
I am saying this again. You can't have death pits if you're going to have the character move at 400mph. Either build walls so you can't stray or make it open world. Don't put platforms in my way turning the level into a memory game.
This is like a IGN review but for a fan game
*an
And good
A lot more fair than Unleashed.
@@kinggalactix It manages to be even more retarded than the Unleashed review.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 you're saying it's better or worse than Unleashed?
Is it just me, or does Sonic's voice actor kinda sound like Masakox
Shadow also gives me Ocean Dub Vegeta vibes
Despite the trainwreck the tail's plane levels were, I really enjoyed the escape sequence and the boss fight. Was pretty fun.
Out of everything this game does wrong, the thing that tilt me the most is getting into an open area that scream BOOST BOOST, only to be welcomed by a random obstacle that breaks ur momentum...like look at this 7:25
Skill issue.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Shut UP!
@@minotostar Skill issue.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Can't have a skill issue if I haven't played the game yet.
@@minotostar That explains a lot.
I can't get over french shadow
He lowkey sounds German lol
@@jtn00b He sounds like shit lol
@@jtn00b Russian Shadow reminds me of Shadow from the Sonic Zombie series.
I always thought the voice actor was Spanish or from a Spanish-speaking country, personally.
Shadow's OG VO for this game told the dev that he has to wait until his new microphone arrived. Did the Dev delay the game for this? Nope, he replaced the VO.
I’m watching this video while playing sonic omens
russian shadow is in my nightmares now
"This is a fangame - let alone a demo - why are you being so harsh?"
Well, this statement aged well, didn't it?!
The fact that they "finished" this game out of spite, while not fixing the issues the game had (even thought they're apparently still updating it, so ain't that lovely?) is pretty telling to me.
I don't even care if all the controversy's true or not, at the end of the day... the game's just not that good.
's all there is to it.
reminder that the physics, and most of the graphics are from a actually cool thing called infinity engine, and thus omens shouldn't be credited for that
Man, this comment section's pretty wack. Good review.
I just searched Sonic Omens Controversy and found that this came out one minute ago.
Ayyyyyyyy!!
Technically opening a patreon in relation to a game isn't exactly profiting off of it. That's how most fanartists get away with technically making money without being directly profited.
The only criteria that's usually acknowledged when specifically talking about profiting of off IPs, is whether or not you had to buy the product. They're not literally selling the game, and paying them to make the game isn't the same as you buying it. It's more like a commission.
It is bad
Fan-art isn't the same as a fan-game that's an unfair comparison especially in regards to Sonic which is mainly a video game franchise. You don't see Patreons of Davinci fan-art do you? Any amount of money made, whether it's to help make it, polish it, re-tweak, etc. involves using an IP with an already established character in video games in which they do not own the rights. That is not a good thing for they are not Sega, nor are they Sonic Team, so they should NOT be getting paid or some sort of commission to make a Sonic game because news flash, they don't own him.
@@elijahbruno2814 Copyright law is SPECIFICALLY for redistribution. Unless they are saying you have to BUY the game (which they aren't) they aren't breaking copyright law. In this situation it is much closer to commission than redistribution as when you pay them, you're not paying FOR the game, you're paying for them to MAKE the game.
@@Trecherousbeast Which makes it worse so by that notion, we should pay EVERY fan that makes a fan game because commission? Did the guys that make Sonic Robo Blast 2 ask for commission? How about Sonic GT? Any kind of profit your making off of an IP using a character owned by another company is wrong. Paying people to make a Sonic game when they're not Sega is wrong period it doesn't matter what it's for, it involves Sonic and paying people who aren't the owners of his rights. This is why Nintendo stopped playing that shit years ago
@@elijahbruno2814 I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not arguing whether it’s morally right to give to the patreon, I’m saying it’s perfectly legal, which it is.
First of all, I apologize for my bad english. From google translate, that's all. I played your game called Zera myths awaken. Luckily, it didn't happen to me. I opened the game and after 5 minutes. I thought this game was great because it was. And I was going crazy thinking about its potential. It could have been like a hat in time. Even better, even better. I don't know anything about your situation, but I think you should find some friends to improve the game. I just played the game for the first time today and I can't wait for updates. But it has some shortcomings. It has to be a wall jump. because we want to be free and feel free as we roam around. I think we should be able to go back instantly when running fast. When we left click on the mouse, the character attacks and throws a sound wave. He doesn't fit this character at all, it makes him look like he's shouting or getting angry. I don't know what could replace the sound wave, but I have a few ideas. he can shoot lasers from his eyes.(Star vs. the Forces of Evil- cute little dogs were shooting lasers from their eyes) Or let the little friend next to us shoot. His story wasn't very good. Other than that, the game was really great. It has a lot of potential and that excites me. When I sit in front of the computer 4 years later, I want to play your game. Don't give up because we have your back.
Just popped up in my feed, lag can be due to large amount of detailed geometry in one area with no LODs (Distance models) to tween between at certain distances, OR its bad code, really bad code.
Personally I love the Latin shadow, it adds a strange new level of mystery and edge to him
Hey I love the Megaman controller! I have the same one. I love those Hyperkin controllers and use them all the time on my pc.
Now THIS! Is how you do a review. Great job man! 👍
I love this shadow voice
Hey yo! What’s your favorite sonic fan games I’ve been on a nostalgia kick and I’ve been on the hunt after project 06!
Sonic Utopia is a must. Besides that, there are some fantastic 2D ones like Sonic Time Twisted, Before & After the Sequel, etc.
@@ShempOfficial Have you ever played sonic gt?
That's one of my personal favorites
I 100%d the game a while ago
@@ShempOfficial Sonic and The Fallen Star is also great and i would Highly Recommend it
play sonic dimensions if y’all want a quality fangame. it’s DAMN good imo.
Just one or two stages compared to Omens' 12.
Dimensions isn't bad but it's basically just a tech demo compared to Omens which is practically a fully fledged game.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Dude. Get a life. Why are you so obsessed with this game?
@@michaeltorresii5248 Why are YOU obsessed with this game?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 It seems you're the one obsessed about this little above mid fangame since you've being defending it for months now.
@@5tuk149 Yes, but at least I am because I like it. While you two are because you hate it, which makes no sense. And before you say you aren't: you already gave yourself away by saying that I've been doing it for a long time. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't even notice it.
Seems to me like you two hate the game because you wish you could play it but can't, so you use your anger as a cope mechanism, it's really sad.
6:00 what's the name of the background music?
Gosh, who do these guys think they are, Ken Penders?
I actually thought this VA for Shadow was a nice new difference.
Also auto sections suck for the most part just skilless snoozefests the best thing about auto sections in most sonic games is how to skip em
Underrated Channel.
Shadow sound like... Something.
Between Forces, Omens, and Frontiers, I'm thoroughly burned out on Sonic on all fronts between both Sega/Sonic Team and indies alike. I don't really want anything to do with the blue hedgehog himself anymore. At least Spark the Electric Jester 2 and 3 maintain the spirit of when 3D Sonic was good, and Freedom Planet by the end of the first one's development really managed to differentiate itself from 2D Sonic, with the 2nd game truly being its own thing
what was the other game at 10:00?
Thanks for the review, Obi-Wan Kenobi.
The presentation is outstanding, but these cutscenes for such a loose and jank story hurt me so bad. Makes me want to try writing a story for a Sonic game.
What's up with shadows voice
He sounds Russian or smthng similar
This is my first time watching a Shemp video and I was surprised to find out that he's very filtered on the Wumpa time podcast.
Ikr
I think alot of these points are great for the devs to find areas for improvement, but it's a bit harsh considering it's a small team doing a fan game. Most Sonic games have a a team 10X larger to weed out alot of these issues, even though I agree that the problems you've pointed out. Since SEGA knows about it and its popularity, I wouldn't be surprised if they just buy it and use it as a basis for an official game eventually, like a 3D version of what happened with Mania. I think it's a great game by fangame standards, but if its ever to be considered more (i.e. for profit or purchased by SEGA) it will have a way biger standard to live up to.
Did you miss the section where he talks about his standards being high because they’re making money from this game??
people have been praising this fan game like the second coming of christ. that also greatly raises expectations and standards
Especially for the voice acting direction
I have a right to criticize the devs all I want, especially since;
1. They’re making money off of this, so if I have to pay for the game, my standards shall be very high.
2. People have been praising this game like it’s the best thing since sliced bread, so my standards are gonna be just as high.
Why do people have the "It's a Fangame, You shouldnt be too harsh on them!" mindset. Everything you create can be subject to Criticism.
It looks like the developers don't know how to make lighting that affects only the characters. Which is... well, pretty sad. If youre going to make cutscenes you would think that should be like on your top 10 list of things to figure out bruh. Garbage game.
You definitely need to do a sequel to this game because the full version has been released for quite some time now.
I never knew that Shadow was Hispanic before, heheheh. 😅
@4:35 said a 2080 had problems I have a 2080 and a ryzen 9 64 GB ram ddr4 and the game runs at a smooth 90 fps max graphics lmao bad point ngl
what's the game at @10:05
Sonic robo blast 2
With my pc
Ryzen 2600
16gb ram
Gtx 970 on max settings i get 60 fps
I quite like harsh criticism, as it can very clearly tell a creator how they can improve their creations, or at the very least let them know what their audience is thinking. That being said, your section in this video about money seemed very odd to me, especially when you claim that your bar of quality (and thus the harsh-ness of your criticism) hinges on said money. Profiting off of the Sonic IP has been incredibly common within the Sonic fandom for many years, so it seems really weird that this is suddenly an issue, seemingly with and only with Sonic Omens. Plenty of fan artists sell commissions of Sonic art (sometimes only Sonic art) and make money off of their Sonic art posted on their patreons and merch stores, but they don't own the Sonic IP. Some fan animators post Sonic animations (sometimes only Sonic animations) on TH-cam and make money through channel memberships or accept funding for the production of said Sonic animations through their patreons, sometimes earning thousands of dollars every month, but they don't own the Sonic IP. To use your line of reasoning: indirectly or not, many unofficial Sonic art pieces and animations receive funding, which is illegal. But again, it seems like this issue is only brought up when Ouroboros makes money through these exact same methods. The controversy around Omens in this regard reeks of a double standard, and it's telling how you allowed this double standard to affect your feedback on this demo.
U so goddamn right bro
I think the first 3 levels (not including the boss) are pretty dang good, but the rest of it is really bad.
I feel like most of the people that are praising this game as the best Sonic Fan Game ever made probably only played the first 3 levels and then called it quits, because everything after Wellspring, Chao Garden, and Area 99 is absolute trash.
Not to mention the Patreon thing is really bad for Sonic Fan Games. If they continue this project, there better not be more builds locked behind Patreon.
They didn't lock build behind the Patreon, but a few fanarts only. You can freely download the game from Jolt.
@@GreyYar They Locked "Shadow of Water" Behind a Patreon Subscription. So yes they did Indeed Lock Content behind a Paywall. Anyone saying they didnt are either shilling for this game hard, or just have an Extremely Low IQ.
I can agree with everything but the Patreon stuff. Yes, money are involved into development and the studio has a Patreon page which is related to Sonic Omens. But here's the thing. Sonic Omens is in the gray zone as Katie Chrzanowsky said. If the game has issues, Sega will deal with them personally. Plus as one of the devs said, during the first Patreon war Sega employee checked what are they doing and everything was fine, and the Patreon page is the studio's page, money go to their other projects, and the game is still free.
But the fact that people donate to the unprofessional devs that aren't even Sonic fans (except for BOLT) is just funny.
Seems more like clever monetization. Hide the profits on the company page to kill suspicion and give the impression that more than 1 project is in development. Katie basically left it up to the fans to get rid of those bad apples and if they can't (which they kinda did) , then Sega will step in.
@@elijahbruno2814 Nah, Omens is a masterpiece and it's near completion.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Far from a masterpiece. Have you actually played it or are you still spatting delusional gibberish after almost a year on hiatus?
@@elijahbruno2814 Of course I have played it, I wouldn't call it a masterpiece otherwise. Have you?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Yes. Confusing level designs other than Chao Paradise and the GUN training stage and a homing mechanic that really needs tweaking
i did play sonic omens and i really liked it i ain't gonna lie idrc about contreversy or anything like that when it comes to the game i just wanna know if it's fun or not plus boost and adventure style gameplay combined is really cool then again some of the levels don't fit that but most of the others do but on the otherhand if i am not talking about the game then yes i do think that ouroboros studios is quite fucked
So pretty much the bad part of the video is hate cause its hard game and doesnt hand hold and the patreon thing but I've never had to pay for a build of omens though it's always been free no one has "paid" for omens people do however like to support the dev team on patreon cause they make more than just omens though
Shut. If you do that kind of monetizing crap, you deserve hell
Where does he say that it’s a hard game??
@@Tyreker He plays like shit and blames the level design.
You're fighting the wrong way.
There are no right way
This controversy is ridiculous as non patrons can also get the game without issue. Hence it isn't for profit.
It is if you have to pay for certain parts of the game
...But you don't, right?
The entire game (as of Dec 2021) was free in my case.
@@hexospikez741 Hoo boy...
@hexospikez741 If you wanted to play a beta version of the shadow of water, you had to pay them through there patreaon to play it.
shadow espanol
Sonic omens is a master piece the music are insane gameplay are insane history are insane the power of shadow is insane and it’s a FREE fan-game ok there are some bugs buts said to me one 3d sonic game with no bugs and shadow is insane in this game
Sonic omens couldn't be further awey from a master piece, the levels are bad axept the first 4 the story is confusing the bosses sucks because they take to long to deafet and they have made money from the game (wich is illegal) and the only good voices was dark gia and rouge, Shadows voice is meme worthy and the others just sound like they are just reading a papper that they couldn't care less about.
Sorry if I was a bit rough but I don't like this game and when someone calls it a master piece it triggers me.
you know I don't really consider it a masterclass I was drunk that everyone said it's crap, but the game is a real fucking game with a real scenario, beautiful cinematics for the most part, the characters are doubled and even if it's not always terrible it's the charm of the game and the levels are beautiful the gameplay is a little hard but seriously all the other fan games are a simple experience this game with sonic robo blast 2 and sonic gt leaves of the trio ds worthy spiritual successor of sega
and the fact that people donated to him on patreon for his work has nothing to do with making the games pay for the games and free, it is for his work that he is supported and there is plenty of business of crowdfounding on smoothness projects not being theirs with spiderman lotus and that's bad but no one complained about it
and this guy deserves to be rewarded because he made a real game in his room as good as it is@@JetThehawk-xh7ef
I don’t mind Sonic’s voice.
All the other characters sound, odd...
This was a fun watch, didn't expect Shemp to take a look at the Infamous fan game, but here we are. I'm Hoping that if SEGA gets involved, which is likely, they'll just give Sonic Omens the boot or force the dev's hand on monetization that it can have less things to worry about, Heck Sonic has many things to worry about and adding a controversial fan game to the list would be fuel to general Sonic Hate....
"You think the 313Mil$ Cyberpunk was unoptimized? Well - this *fangame* can be worse, at times! I miss Sonic Forces."
True. Also true what you said about the voice actors, they should've hired professionals.
But, of course, without any money. It's outrageous they asked and allowed donations. Man, the audacity.
(Nothing like the fan artists who make money from Sonic drawings. That is fine. A fangame is no fanart after all.)
Making money of fan art and making money from a fan game is 2 completely different things
The reason is because sega doesn’t sell art of sonic but they do however sell sonic games
@@Tyreker I won't argue because what you wrote is so cluelessly funny that there's no point.
Not to mention, why argue to begin with? Have a nice day man, fr 😉
@@Tyreker You do realize that they are actually exactly the same and you are being a hypocrite, right?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 except they aren’t the same
Why do you think companies are able to sell stickers of sonic without getting sued by sega?
@@Tyreker Because Sega doesn't care, just like Sega also doesn't care about the Omens devs, or P-06 which promotes piracy or the several fan animators and fan artists who have Patreons and do commisions. They are illegal either way and Sega has the power to take them all down if they so choose.
When it comes to Omens, I'm always amazed that people can't stop talking about Patreon and money. Sponsoring development and sending donations is not the same as demanding money for a game. For some reason, everyone is okay with the fact that people draw sega characters, make animations and models for money, but when it comes to voluntary donations to developers, everyone shouts about how they make money from it. In this case, all bloggers who make content about games need to close their links for collecting donations, since you are profiting from this. I’m really surprised that in the West people don’t understand how it actually works and why Sega never closed Omens, although their people came to Ouroboros to check the patreon.
None of you want to support the developers of the fan games you play, but when it comes to criticism, you run very first, dropping feces.
1:49 "every line from sonic sounds emotionless"
The same thing with Jason Griffith ._.
Dunno 'bout that. Even if that's true, doesn't mean the critique is invalid.
He isn’t the current VA anyways, so what’s the rebuttal here?
Yeah no
@@PKSunset idk, but he sounds like a robot
imo Griffith was my favorite
Just finished this masterpiece on a weekend and what can I say?
I feel bad for those who cannot see difference between paid game and a free game with the ability to support authors. For those who think that story which connects Sonic X, Unleashed and Colors is weak. And for those who even doesn't bother to investigate into UE terms of use even for paid games.
Bruh
"Masterpiece" Yeah ok Buddy lol.
@@cynicalgamer7595 full of arguments, my man.
@@GreyYar I feel like sonic x doesnt need to be connected to the Main Canon. The games already lined up just fine
@@cynicalgamer7595 Since it's a fan game, why not? I felt great when noticed some items from previous parts. And Omens somehow explained why there is no emeralds in late games while SEGA even doesn't bother.
You should play sonic gt
A much better fangame, it only has 4 levels but I still play them over and over to this day
I mostly got to disagree with this review.
My biggest gripe with almost every modern sonic game released after the sonic adventure series is that it's all on rails sections with very, very forgiving mechanics.
I don't remember the last time a boss fight in sonic actually gave me a challenge since I was playing sonic 3 & Knuckles.
@6:47 you got to wait and do platforming? how is this a critique? I miss platforming in sonic and reviews like this is why it's gone.
, and this engine does seem to handle it very well, your jumps land where you intend them too.
This game has a lot of issue's, but this review is way to harsh like it's a payed AAA product.
I think this game has fantastic idea's like rather then drowing you find another path trough the level, and you have a moody start in your room before you blast off. It's sad to focus this much on the negatives.
I also have to say this, this review comes across as one of those video game journalists like the one from cuphead where the review doesn't really know how to play the game and doesn't want a challenge to overcome. (like with the tails flying section, it really wasn't that bad)
Personally I think that Omen is more memorable then most of the 3D sonic Games i've played in the last decade. for better or for worse.
Opinions exist
@@NeonLightsYT1Yes, and they gave their opinion, so?
>waiting in action patformers
Oi bruv you think Sonic is something like Mario?
Understandable
I agree
tl;dw: "I don't like this game because I'm bad at it".
Also, the game is about as illegal as your channel, and you're profiting off of Sega's and other companies' IPs through ad revenue, Patreon and merchandising.
I don’t think you understand...
@@jacksleiman8259 What is it that I don't understand?
tl;dr I didn't watch the video
@@ShempOfficial If I didn't, I wouldn't have known your arguments.
What?