Sonic Omens: A Brutally Honest Critique Video
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ย. 2022
- After nearly 2 weeks of analyzing and playing Sonic Omens, I'm finally done with this vid. I know this seems a bit out of left field but I wanted to work on this after my first playthrough of Sonic Omens when I heard the controversy surrounding it.
Sonic Omens Downfall by Farkle: docs.google.com/document/d/1m...
Ouroboros Studios official response to Farkle's document: docs.google.com/document/d/1i...
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And nobody's even gonna point out that White Jungle shouldn't be revisitable, since the island blows up in SA2.
LMAOOOO Hoooly crap you're right.
To be fair, it's not like the island's gone though, you could revisit Prison Island in ShTH. That stage looked very deteriorated/polluted, but still had a lot of forestry.
@@afish7886 Island's not gone, no, but the chances of White Jungle being completely intact if not burnt to a crisp is just about 0. The area you explore in Shadow the Hedgehog is only still around because it's implied to be a deep underground area, sealed away and forgotten about.
@@Samevi Didn't know, thanks for explaining. Though I don't believe everything on the surface is gone since some of those tree trunks were humongous- imo lost opportunity since everything could be coated in ash, adding a new meaning to the stage name or something. I don't know, it's fanfic, could be possible or made interesting but I'm thinking too much about it
@@Samevi That would explain the neon green chemicals you have to navigate through. I think.
Sonic's cheerful voice saying "What a great motivation for genocide!"
That is the highlight of my day.
🤣🤣 “gEnOcIdE”
The actor even accentuates the utterance, Christ.
Is sonic Zionist or anti Zionist?
@@tylerd1297Canon Sonic: Anti-Zionist
Omens Sonic: Zionist
My favorite part is Sonics voice acting, because they got a Jason Griffith sound-alike, but then his direction is pretty much all of the things Jason was criticized for anyway.
Exactly, all Sonic voice actors had a pretty rough start, but everyone improved a lot overtime
But Omens got a Jason copy from 06, where he barely changed his tone and sounded silly, not the serious and caring Jason from Unleashed and Black Knight
That's like if they wanted Ryan impression, but made him sound like his forced and exaggerated voice from SA1
2:10 the raccoon randomly fading in is fucking hilarious without context
The Sonic Show
@@CRCR0201 Did they actually say that? omg
The Sonic Show is probably the MOST ANNOYING SonicTuber ever.
@@Terminal_Apotos No there are much lazier people like gamerguyd and premy. He does his research and puts effort into presentation. That take is still bad
@@Scroteydada Gamerguyd is the Worst Sonictuber and The Sonic Show is the Most Annoying. Prem is can be a Negative Asshole sometimes but I still Really like his Content.
Sonic Omens as a fangame looks really polished at first glance but once you keep on playing you'll start noticing problems that don't seem much at first but keep on piling... and piling... and piling... and piling... you get the picture.
At the end of the game you'll start questioning why you're even playing Sonic Omens.
Hey guys have any of you watch the whole video of sonic show and do any of you take this man serious that is not what sonic show said 😂 that sonic omens is better than other title and have is complain this guys complains are so dumb
I don't think he even watched the whole video 😅 he is so dumb
Death by a thousand paper cuts,the game
What? It immediately looks like one of a billion Infinity engine asset flips, so you expect something completely unplayable with zero story and unfit level design, 3 levels and zero bosses. And in the end you get a pretty competent whole package 3D fangame arguably above levels of Dark Age official ones. Def above Free Riders in nearly all aspects, going above Black Knight in many too. Absolutely unheard of.
Just like fallout frontier.
By far the worst mistake Omens makes is that it used the name "Moldy Jungle" instead of the obviously superior "Fungal Jungle"
Or Jungle Junction if you want to go the sonic cd route
Or Poor Man's White Jungle
@@AkameGaKillfan777 And then using White Jungle, even though in SA2 the entire thing was destroyed
@@beywheelzhater8930Jungle Junction was already taken by Disney
Omens feels like everything those preachy 2000's fans say a perfect Sonic Adventure 3 would be, executed in the worst way possible. Even the story, it's trying so hard to be serious and dramatic but it falls flat....am I NOT supposed to laugh my ass off hearing a bad Jason impression say the word "genocide"?
" CONSIDER THIS YOUR *BAD OMEN!* "
@@leonardoalvarenga7572
" _TORYAAAAA!!!_ "
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL That line when it came up without the voice acting I legit imagined it as a really badass line.
The voice actor failed...HORRIBLY
@@Electrical010 LMFAO truee, if only he had a better voice direction... no, to be fair, many of the characters are really needing it
Genocide? like Genocide City Zone? A wise man once said "there's nothing offensive about genocide."
From what I read in the document, Shadow's original VA for this game got ghosted and the role was given away from under her to the guy we got.
All because she had to get a new mic that would arrive in 2 days… the least BOLT could’ve done was inform her prior to being replaced.
@@brawler5760 yeah. That's a really shitty move
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 but receipts shows she was given the role and then replaced when Bolt heard she needed a new mic before doing the lines. It would have been fine if she was told to "use your current mic or we'll have to replace you considering the deadline we're at." Instead, she was ghosted until suddenly he basically replied "found another VA, kay bye", that's pretty low.
@@BlazeStar00 And that isn't everything, that VA was supposed to be Sonic frist, they change to be Shadows and although they guarantee the role to that VA,, 2 date before the mic arrive they replace that person, without telling it.
was it snapcube or somethhing? i know jack about this game
If I can recall, The Sonic Show's excuse for Sonic Roboblast 2 not being the most polished 3d fangame (which has been developed and updated since the late 90's) is that he argues it is a 2d game. Sure, it is built upon the Doom engine, with early Doom games actually being 2d, but it has less constraints than Doom that makes it more of a proper 3d game, such as proper camera controls for vertical visibility and being able to be in the same area in different elevations (like being on top of or underneath a bridge).
Edit: I would like to correct my error that the Doom engine was in 2d. Not only was this comment partially wrong, but it puts even more emphasis that SRB2 is a 3d game
Early Doom games were 3D too
Even if he thinks the game is 2D, the official site for SRB2 states it's 3D.
@@ChaserTech there even 3d model lmao
@@ChaserTech
*Even if he thinks the game is a 2D, he's an idiot
👍🏾
I actually believe now that it's no longer running on the Doom engine thanks to all the support the team got and when the new version dropped I believe it's in a different engine! :))
But I could be wrong!
Ladies and Gentlemen. This is the Hunt Down The Freeman of Sonic.
It's *Hunt Down The Eggman.*
Since you put Sonic Show's "argument" in this video, I wanna say:
Do you want to know why he kept insisting that this game is "polished and that's a fact"?
It's because, get this, he was lucky enough not to get any glitches in his playthrough.
Yes, that's his argument, we mocked the people who said this shit when Colors Ultimate came out, and I'm pretty sure he did the same thing too, so why are we okay with using this lousy excuse of an "argument" now?
I find this funny because nearly every time I booted up Sonic Omens, I found a new glitch accidentally.
I've had glitches ruin a lot of S rank runs that I did too...
@@ChaserTech I can't even begin to imagine how much torture you've subjected yourself to by S ranking every stage, just to be as fair as possible to this game.
I know I would've quitted this as fast as possible, and I'm someone who likes to get the highest ranks in all Sonic games.
@@neonjm8289 To be fair, the only thing I didn't S Rank were Waterfall Chase, Gun Arsenal, and Exiled. (I got A ranks only ) Mostly because I didn't feel like playing it any longer but I did play enough to figure out the highs and lows for them.
I wonder if maybe he just didn't notice any. Really weird that he didn't address any at all
@@ChaserTech You may not have an answer for what I am about to ask regarding fan games. But for fans and/or those wanting to test their skills with sonic styled games, what engine do you think would be IDEAL for a sonic adventure 2, that's right I said TWO because I think it has the better engine, styled fan-game that does NOT have the boost formula? It would also be good if this engine had mechanics for instant turning, and was more momentum based like the sonic fangame: Sonic Utopia, but allows for a implementation of skills (mainly chaos skills like shadow) to be used?
I have a neat idea for a fan game using characters from the sonic universe, but I want it to be adventure-esc but new in some different ways. And I think a possible solution to keep some fans at bay (the boost focused ones) would to point out this fan game does NOT involve sonic AND/OR shadow and is set in a alternate time-line of canon around a similar time of the retro era sonic games (SA1-Heros according to generations) prior to unleashed pre-boost. I believe this would allow for different expectations (hopefully) by being lower than usual and would be advertised as a platformer styled game, so people would have their guard down a bit and not too critical on it.
It would also for some non-canon things to pass the game norms of how everyone behaves. Though I feel humbling overblown characters, especially the females, would not sit well with many this day and age. But do want to see a fan-game expanded beyond sonic. Shadow, eggman, knuckles, and tails are so far the only to have a spin off game, and I would like to see at the very least more fan games that give sonic (and by extension shadow) a break out of the lime light.
But to do that would need help from like: the bare minimum of professional programmers with spare time to kill [else need a whole dozen of armature coders], modelers, sound producers [including music], texturing, and voice actors, which could get expensive [which is why I could go the adventure 1 route and have so few characters to not need so many VAs]. And that takes a LOT of money, and would take under the shortest time with consistent work effort 10 years, with only 4 being possible if I somehow get like an entire community working with me to do an entire company's work.
The raccoon fade in had me dead bruh 💀
Here's a tidbit by someone who "tried" to get all red rings in the game: you can't actually do it with only the final product. The game's so unpolished that one red ring in Area 99 doesn't show up at all in the final game. You have to play the earlier build to collect it and then transfer the save to the final build. That's not mentioning the fact that the game cannot remember that you collected all red rings in a stage if you decide to play said stage again without recollecting the red rings.
And the kicker? The final extra that you should have unlocked by collecting every red rings in the game (the reward you get for going through all that pain)... can't be unlocked!! The game will always count 65 red rings but never the 75 needed. All the devs have to say to this is "It's going to be fixed later", like wtf... why didn't you test that all that worked before releasing the game? Wasn't there at least one volunteer that could have tested to see if the red rings mechanic works properly..? That sounds like laziness to fix a game they know is already buggy and will be defended by rabid fanboys. I don't remember any other sonic fangame that failed this miserably at polishing and then have its fans pretend it is the "most" polished.
Probably because they released the game over and over and over and this is just the first time they've released the entire game, and future releases are likely focused more on updates. It's a fan game so there's no reason to fix it before releasing it. You're the beta tester. lol
@@Axxidous ikr the hell do they expect out of non profit fangame most of the fanbase can't even play cause it's too graphically intensive, made by an entirely russian team and is plagued by controversies. At least we have a full release unlike, say, Sonic World that will stop working before even hitting release cause it's Blitz and isn't supported by modern machines. And Sonic GT that people love bringing up in comparison had nigh unbeateable second boss too.
@@vazazell5967 I also hate the physics in GT. They’re fun to toy with but as soon as you start taking it seriously, it’s kind’ve a mess. And when I say I hate it I mean in terms of what I’d want out of a real Sonic game. And Omens is definitely not without flaws. Many many flaws. And I think we should judge fab games at a level based on what level bracket their production value seems to fit in with. I won’t judge it like an official Sonic game but will judge it higher than something like Sonic Robo Blast 2. SRB:2 could get away with more issues if it had them. lol
@@Axxidous i dislike physics and level design of robo blast 2. It's too fast, and some levels are multi layered without clear sense of direction. It doesn't become a big problem till race with metal sonic, that part is madeningly hard beyoung any segment of Omens
@@vazazell5967 This game is NOT nonprofit. They had a patreon set up to get access to more game content. Dunno if its still up but they were making money off this.
It was painful hearing The Sonic Show doubling down on being wrong, not even because the game isn't "the best and most polished," but because he said those were objective facts when obtaining any kind of objective measurement of qualities like that is difficult if not impossible. It's an arrogant, unlearned way to present his opinion and sours the whole discourse surrounding this game which is already a minefield. That out of the way though, great vid Chaser. The metarex section was hilarious. Hope you do more like this on other games of interest.
This was the main reason why I even included his quote.
He presented as a fact and it was the main factor why I even hinted at him in the first place, especially since he doubled down with it with his defense against the controversy. Otherwise I would have left him out of it.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Maybe it's because he didn't present his opinions as a fact and double down on it? 🤷♂
Also idk if you're within the dev team or not (maybe you're in their discord or something), but you don't need to argue with every person on TH-cam who talks about Sonic Omens lol. Just enjoy your game and have fun with it. Talking to people online who are bashing the game isn't productive for your sake dude.
@@ChaserTech He probably is one of those fuckers who worked on the game. His behavior really matches that of BOLT and the others.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 ...I sincerely hope you realize you aren't really triggering anyone.
In fact people are laughing at you in every comment section every time I see your name pop up.
@@ChaserTech This.
He really can't take a joke and doesn't know what a meme is.
The voice actor for Eggman sounds like he thought he was supposed to voice Mario after watching a V-Sauce Mario compilation
About the metal enemies in the light speed rant. Didn't sonic unleashed give some enemies reaction animations? Like they notice you and then after a moment they attack? Maybe I'm insane, but that would possibly make that section bearable bc it would actually give you time to charge it up
Yeah they did.
The enemies would do a gesture indicating that they spotted you. Then they would slowly run up to you to attack. The Metarex gives you no time at all to charge light speed attack so you have to know before hand and boost away from them just to charge it.
This video LITERALLY describes my experience about Omens,
It has a lot of good stuff, but it has tons of bad stuff
the only difference between my experience and yours is that the blue sping in tree palace didn't glitch for me XD
that was a great video❤
God decided you were worthy so he let you go up. lmao
@@ChaserTech You deserve a sub mate
@@ChaserTech it was a skill issue on your part clearly, try dumping another 200 hours.
Thank you. Finally a honest review of sonic omens. A review that takes up the good and the bad and doesn’t strictly praise or bash the game. A review that ignore the drama and focus on the product.
I know the developers are Russian, but god even I can read dialogue naturally. It’s one thing to be a good Sonic impersonator, but a whole new thing to be an actually good voice actor. They go hand in hand
Or just speak it in their language, maybe they'd do a better job instead of trying to do it in English
@@0Magicallywild0 Russian voices with english subtitles woulda been ideal imo
Thanks for the SRB2 shoutout. That fangame is a insane project, imagine not having something polished after 20 years, imagine working on a game for 20 years! :v
I feel like there are a lot of insane good sonic fangames, even hack roms that are really impressive, ppl just forget them.
Nice video man.
i feel like srb2 is honestly really underrated
yeah SRB2 is my jam. it's so friggin awesome lol.
I may not even like SRB2 but its still a great game, especially since it's been around since the 90s
@@stanzacosmi crazy to think about, a sonic fangame THIS old!
Yet not a single 3D one yet. SRB2 is still a classic fangame game at heart with every limitation applied. Utopia, Hero, Infinity etc are simply not games yet. GT is barelly a game that was better before adding "story". And people don't give Spark enough credit.
i ended up unsubbing from The Sonic Show. He strokes his ego in every video. I actually watched his Omens video, and it was just stupid. I could honestly care less about the drama. But saying that this was the best most polished fan game is the most stupidest take ever.
Edit: Since some of you can’t see the reason I unsubbed. Lemme check you real quick. His Omens video was a piss poor example of an opinion. He stated things as facts that were not true. The game is NOT polished. He himself stated, when he played the game he did not have a single bug or anything in it. I have played it multiple times myself and I have experienced bug after bug. Sonic might go through a wall or I’d have to restart cuz I got stuck on a platform and can’t move. OR IN THE LAST TAILS LEVEL THE FREAKIN DOOR WONT OPEN AFTER YOU HIT ALL THE SWITCHES MAKING YOU RESTART THAT GOD FORSAKEN LEVEL OVER AND OVER TIL IT DECIDES TO WORK. OR THE PART LITERALLY RIGHT BEFORE EMBER WHERE YOU GOTTA KILL THE METAREX TO GET OUT OF THE AREA BUT IT DONT DISAPPEAR WHEN YOU KILL THE LAST ONE AND YOU GOTTA RESTART THE ENTIRE LEVEL. There are a bunch of videos showcasing bugs in the game. Most polished fan game my ass.
Not only that. He called Spark the Electric Jester a fan game of Sonic. BRO THAT IS AN IP! It’s not a fan game! Did he correct himself? Not to my knowledge. And I know he’s been called out on it cuz It’s Ya Mans Will made a video on it.
I’m not talking about that behind the scenes stuff I could care less like I said before. But bro literally STROKES his ego every video. “The number one Sonic news channel” No your not. “I got news out of this first haha!” Okay and? Who cares? Like dude shut the FUCK up and just talk about the topic. I don’t wanna hear “I’m not talking bad about…” but 2 seconds earlier HE WAS JUST TALKING BAD ABOUT WHATEVER HE SIDE TRACKED ON.
Don’t be in my reply section talking some bullshit like “oh you unsubbed cuz of his opinion for a game? you sensitive.” Read the comment next time and use your brains for once ya feel me?
I AGREE WITH THIS TOO. I got ignored in the comments if his video.
In one video, he was talking about the hate and toxicity of the Sonic fan base. I made a comment about how he is a part of it. No likes. No replies.
The Sonic Show acts like he's the best Sonic Tuber of all time, and that he's above most Sonic Tubers. Every video is just him inflating his ego. His titles are clickbait, he's NOT interesting to me.
Are you sensitive? You got mad at someone's opinion? That's just ridiculous.
So let me get this straight you unsubbed cause he had an opinion on the game YOU didn't like?
@PhantomLee exactly
Y'all in the reply section are 🤡
On an unrelated note, the devs seem to have pretty much copied levels from Ori and the Blind Forest and Will of the Wisps. Tree Palace and Waterfall Chase are just worse versions of Ginso Tree(the entire thing), and Weeping Rift is literally just Weeping Ridge but even worse. It has the same color palette, the same general tone, the same instakill lasers and fire I’ve always hated, and the bird at some point in Weeping Rift looks like Kuro from Blind Forest.
Edit: Also I’m sure you’ve seen the document already, but Shadow sounds like this because BOLT was too impatient to wait for the previous VA to get her new mic. BOLT’s a terrible ass project leader.
I didn't play second Ori game but I've seen some screenshots of worm in some desert location. Does Gnarl stage resemble it?
@@solidusgadget The Windswept Wastes? Now for me that’s harder to figure out, the only resemblance is the worm that follows you.
Newsflash: everything is a copy of something, it's called inspiration. Literally everyone who played Ori knows that it's influenced by it. It's like playing Hollow Knight and saying it's copied Dark Souls. No shit
@@vazazell5967 Newsflash : Inspiration and plagiarism are two different things. Hollow Knight has its own atmosphere and doesn't have sections that are blatantly copied from Dark Souls.
Not being able to evade the bird at the end of Weeping Rift even though you're in a open sky doesn't make sense and is only a thing because Ori had a section where you needed to take cover from Kuro.
@@brawler5760 the worm chasing you as you escape from a sand-filled temple with over saturated orange ambiance.
Let’s not forget about the crap TheSonicShow said about Spark the Electric Jester. TheSonicShow isn’t as good to watch as he was years ago back in 2014
What did he say about it?
@@playerback7722 He said "They took a sonic fan game and swapped the models". Which is absolutely stupid and untruth
“TheSonicShow isn’t as good to watch as he was years ago..”
That’s because it isn’t even the same guys, someone just gave the channel name to him lol
Splash dash goes into depth about the development history of this game and I like that video as much as this one. Very well done! Although, in my opinion, the Exiled’s voice acting is the most tolerable to listen to.
holy crap the callout to sonic show is really funny and satisfying
Satisfying?
@@pufflord_gamesonicsoloesyo2365 yes?
thanks for the sonic show reference he is fucking insufferable
I actually think most of his content is fine. But this one time, yeah he fucken dropped the ball…
@@brawler5760 when you can get passed how many times he inflates his ego throughout the video, yeah his content is fine. cept his entire take on Omens
@@cjcaliswag Yes. That's why I stopped watching him. That guy acts like he's the best Sonic Tuber and inflates his ego. His raccoon nonsense is annoying, and he just clickbaits viewers all the time. Not sure how people don't notice that.
@@cjcaliswag Oops forgot I replied the same thing to your comment
A funny story about the homing attack issue, the creator of the infinity engine stated how that it's a togglable option to either have the homing attack be directed by camera or by Sonic, it's just for some reason the devs on Omens just... chose not to do this? They literally didn't need to code anything new, all they had to do was switch it on lol.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Even if it is false, they should've put in the work to make the homing attack better. shits wack as hell.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 camera based homing attack is objectively clunky and less intuitive on a controller compared to aiming with the stick your already using to move.
Omens is objectively ass on controller, you either play on mouse or you suffer on Tornado
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 anyone who pays 3d platformers? I recall you defending certain aspects of omens as it has elements found in official sonic games, well every sonic game is designed for controllers. This is your dumbest point yet, you are grasping at straws.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 spark the electric jester 2 and 3 are pc exclusives (atleast to begin with) and are recommended to be played with controller. The idea that a game being made for pc automatically means it must be designed specifically for keyboard and mouse is a ridiculous claim.
11:40 There's a lock-on feature in Omens?! What the hell. Wish the game had told me, then I might've actually progressed past that dumb plane-worm boss.
Plane worm boss only spawns in your FOV
Oh damn, you found an Alaskan Bullworm?
honestly i’m glad that i could find a video that *wasn’t* just full of the controversy around the game. i know what that entails but i’m trying to find details on the game
and here’s what i like about this video: you’re talking about what it is that you’re playing and what you think about it. it’s so simple, but it’s such a big deal for me when i’ve had moments looking for game reviews that don’t even get to the main point (i.e. how the game feels/plays and etc)
that aside ya earned a sub
No way my guy put up exactly one frame of the LTG meme I'm cracking up
lmao yeah. I couldn't resist.
This was really entertaining, I hope you will do more of these critiques for the games you play.
I had no idea prior to this video what Sonic Omens was and it seems like it had a lot of potential going for it. I really hope the dev team takes the criticism from the fans to heart and builds upon that potential for something truly great.
dude,the develepors dont give a shit,do some research on them and youll see why
Aha, here’s the funny thing. They’re a bunch of sensitive pricks and attack anybody who tries to criticize their game.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 wait really ?
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 huh,thats interisting,didnt they would acually do that
This is a pretty well put together video that goes over a lot of points and subjects most people cannot be bothered to put any detail in.
Quick tip: Unless an Infinity Engine fangame has specified controller use is ideal, NEVER play an Infinity Engine game with controller. The original Infinity Engine was designed to be played on keyboard and mouse, controlling sonic like a missile with a mouse guided camera in a more traditional FPS sense instead of a platforming sense.
One of Omen's biggest flaws was the fact that it did not properly convey the fact that it was not properly optimized for controller. The default Infinity Engine controller support was functional at best and the Omens team did not do enough to fix this issue. But because the game does not properly tell this to the player, the player is more likely to play with controller and thus will get a much worse play experience.
The entire game was designed with the original Infinity Engine creators vision in mind. Oban wanted to create a Sonic x Devil May Cry fangame where dashing from place to place using the homing attack and air boosting with mouse centric camera controls and I think you began to see that the more you played. Its no surprise that people enjoy the stages where this isn't the case as most of the time those stages are basic boost styled stages where boosting and basic platforming are the main focuses and that most peoples least favorite stages are the ones that require more masterful control over the homing attack and camera functionality to bend the level to their will.
At it's core, Omens is NOT a Boost game. The Boost is present and is a mechanic but it functions more like an extension of Sonic's mobility rather than the focus of it. You'll probably notice that a lot of areas where you're free to boost as you please has a lot of Boost energy capsules. That is because the Boost energy drains much faster in Infinity Engine than it does in traditional Sonic games. It's NOT meant to be your main mode of traversal. Using the boost to maneuver around in mid air, pivot and change directions on the spot while on the ground and gaining bursts of speed in small intervals makes the levels flow significantly better. But again, the game does a terrible job at teaching this fact to the player.
I've worked with the Infinity Engine for 4 years on Infinity+ and when this game came out and everyone was trashing on it I came up with a few theories as to why and this video mixed with a few others helps prove my theory correct. Omens has too high of a skill floor and expects the player to understand more about the quirks of the Infinity Engine than what is reasonable. The game itself can be super fun 70% of the time if you know what you're doing and how to play but the game does very little to teach you what 'how to play' means in this context. Overlapping mechanical controls and level design is important in platformers and if the player cannot grasp the main functions of the game then the level design will feel good to play.
Side note: United Railroad is one of my favorite stages to Speedrun as Sonic yet i can't go through the internal parts of the train without getting hit. I do think the stage has some repetition which makes it longer than it needs to be and that internal part of the train is not fun lol but i enjoy the overall stage regardless.
Interesting read. I didn't know Oban wanted to have the game play stylishly similar to DMC.
Kinda funny too considering my background in playing tons of DMC. Chaining homing attacks with boosting feels good once you get it going but I really feel as if this game should have lowered the skill floor (like you said). Either that or SPECIFICALLY STATE that this game will be hard towards the end. Because the beginning levels themselves follow a typical boost/platforming formula up until the later stages.
Here's a list of some fangames more worth your time and energy:
SRB2
Sonic GT
Triple Trouble 16-bit
Sonic Infinity Adventure Pack
Sonic and the Fallen Star
Sonic World (DX)
I've been trying Sonic World (DX) lately. It's a cool experience but man the game feels very unstable. I get constant crashes and memory leaks from it.
It's a shame too because I like some of the level design.
@@ChaserTech Ye, DX's engine is old af, no surprise why it's so unstable
I’ve never seen any of your vids before, but this was great! You articulated your points extremely well, the script was really well written, and the editing was on point. Good stuff bro!
Thank you for making an honest and mostly neutral take on the game. I mostly avoided videos on this because I knew most of them came out of a place of blind hatred due to it having a Patreon (despite most fan projects having one).
I personally enjoyed most of the game, but I can see a lot of the problems the game has. I enjoyed Shadow's last stage a lot for using all of his Chaos powers in the level design, and I like that it implements all 4 of them. It does warn you about them in a subtle way too with the colored arrows, but it is true that you won't expect the moving platforms on your first try because you'll be boosting right into them. I also didn't really enjoy the train ending part because of all of the randomly placed obstacles but I enjoyed my journey towards the train a lot.
I do believe the game was rushed towards the end, though I do not know why, hence why the final stages and the final boss are really unpolished compared to the previous chapters. Still, what Sonic Show's full argument is, for the sake of neutrality, has always been "a full 3D game that is on the level of Sonic Omens' polish in terms of gameplay, cutscenes and music", which I believe Roboblast 2 doesn't fall into because of the lack of cutscenes and voice acting (even if the voice acting isn't all that great).
All in all, I enjoyed my time with Omens, despite its flaws, and I enjoyed your video and your perspective. It isn't the best but to be quite honest, I'd rather replay most of Omens' stages over replaying Colors or vanilla Forces (some of the mods look great though). I don't think the team is better than Sonic Team and that "Sega should hire this man" or anything, but when it comes to boost Sonic, I guess I just don't really like Colors and Forces, haha.
I honestly completely agree with this comment omens has cons but also pros making it above some sonic games like boom,06,forces,and colors. If the voice acting was better I may of liked it more.
To me they're slightly better then team sonic "slightly" in games(based on omens as it's their only game I played) but team as outside games it's not better then sonic team from my experience they're quiet about all of it(probably sleep idk) so mainly community has been helping me out when I get into trouble.
The voice direction in this game was so awful if there was any-
Some reason they keep actors stumbling on lines in the cutscenes, some actor's mic quality is absolutely terrible, and some of them just can't emote correctly like you said. Sonic's VA ruins the fight with Exile because his tone is stuck happy and peppy sounding all the time. And you already said everything I could say about Shadow's voice oml did they screw up with that. Lemme tell you when I first saw the Demo of his level and the cutscene played with his voice I laughed. Which is a little harsh but his performance literally never gets better the whole game soooo
Honestly Sonic Gt is probably imo the best Sonic Fangame. Good level design, good music, well done visuals, multiple playable characters, super replayable and a alright story with some decent voice actors and writing. Still a far cry from a lot of the main series but overall a simple fun project made by talented people that are making their own game and used the fangame as practice. Roboblast 2 is in a similar quality level but I’m a bit more of a fan of the 3D models. Still good fan games that scratch that want for some good Sonic content in between game releases.
Gotta agree with you, GT was one of the first 3d sonic fangames i've played and it set such a high bar that i keep feeling underwhelmed when trying out new fangames. the ONLY real issue that GT has is that all the bosses suck (i spent over an HOUR on the city level, all because of the boss (this was in the first real release, and i know that they supposedly made it better)) The movement and stage design is so fluid that you can reach insane speeds and for about the first time ever in a sonic game the core gameplay was fun enough i went back and replayed most of the levels over and over, even unlocked everything back when it first released so i had to find the medals without help. The game that the team is making now is looking to be really great too! newest demo is really fun, alot of what made GT so fun is already there, although it can be pretty buggy but it was thrown together in a few weeks to have something for SAGE. Hell I'd even recommend it over SRB2 i think, just typing this comment makes me wanna play it again lol
Gonna have to disagree with the writing in GT. But that doesn’t matter the game is fun.
Really enjoyed this! After seeing your content for so long, it's cool to see you also branch out onto other games and topics that you weren't able to before. Watching almost makes me want to try the game myself; there seems to be just enough great about the game to make it enticing, but also enough problems to where we really are just better off playing official games or better fan-games (or just Spark).
Glad for you branching out into new videos and styles you enjoy. :)
imo it's not terrible since it has some good ideas and there are some great stages. Just expect some areas where things aren't consistent in game play.
Also thank you! I might start making more commentary style videos I'm the future and talk about other things too.
Ayyy I remember you. You made those awesome Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions DS combo videos. Small world
@@therentpursuer9869 Small world indeed, and thanks!
Glad to see the tiny-Sonic glitch was not only experienced by me. While the game isn't particularly polished, I did have a fun time playing it. It's not trash, but it's not gold either.
Yo wtf? It happened to you too?
Where did it happen? Because I only ever had it happen to me once in white jungle.
😃“Going home; what a great motivation for genocide!”😃-sonic
I'm sure the guy who wrote that line thinks sonic saying "no copyright law in the universe is going to stop me" is peak sonic.
Sonic Omens looks like a game that could be good in concept, but with how it's been executed, it just falls flat.
This has been bothering me since it was found out
But in the files maria has underwear that says Bad girl on it (disturbing)
Now who was the sick person trying to look at her underwear in the first place like who went searching for Marias underwear knowing damn well she's 12
They were probably file diggers who like to explore game files and textures for fun and happen to stumble upon Maria's texture. It's not unusual for developers to make the base texture of a character in their undergarments as this helps with modeling their outfits. Though said undergarments don't contain disturbing texts written on them especially if the character wearing them is a minor.
@@nobodys_here07 it's so weird that they thought it would be a funny joke to do that
It's sickening
@@donarceus agreed
@@donarceus This is why I hate edgy humor.
@@brawler5760
It's not even edgy imo, its just poor taste. Only weirdos joke like that, even if its not a real child it's still gross.
FINALLY
A REVIEW THAT'S JUST HONEST AND DOESN'T DICKRIDE / TRASH THE GAME DUE TO IT'S HISTORY
I mean this game is still an awful experience drama aside. The bugs it has are more than enough to make the game awful, and the bosses being poorly designed(mostly) are just blargh.
@@brawler5760 Yea, I found it quite decent but everyone made it out to be fucking terrible and unplayable OR the best game of all time
Those voices... ooof
Shoulda just had the snapcube gang on it
11:33 Frontiers has it, but that came out after this game
Sonic Almonds
Did not expect that toxic SonicTuber to turn up here but I'm glad people are responding to his inane nonsense.
I thought he just said bad takes here and there. In fact I only stumbled across him when I heard about him and his factual claim on Sonic Omens.
Is there something that I'm missing? I didn't realize that a lot of people disliked him.
@@ChaserTech He likes to flaunt and inflate his ego in every video he makes.
@@brawler5760 Lol that's it? Eh I've heard and seen worse but I could understand people getting annoyed with that really fast.
@@ChaserTech There's more to it. So his channel used to be a homely podcast with a small crew of friends which eventually died down.
He randomly swooped and started uploading his super clickbaity stuff and already had an ego when he was'nt involved in the channel in the first place.
Claiming he was sorta saviour when he was a random guy who came outta nowhere. I told him I'd rather let the channel die in peace than this insufferable content.
I recall he said something on Twitter and then other members of the old crew came out of the woodwork to say "I'm not connected with the channel and its viewpoints and I don't approve of this guy and his content" . His answer naturally was a video addressing how much good and views he brought to the channel completely missing the point of how it used to be a tightknit community. (All the comments on the video was like you'll never understand why we valued the podcast since he basically stepped all over it in that video) I'd just respect him a bit more if he built up his own following in the trenches of a new channel from the start instead of immediately coming in with an ego for no reason.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Okay let me just say this. You’re the textbook example of a Brazilian gamer, you want people to praise video games blindly because you fuckers don’t have anything great quality-wise there. And no I never hated him, even now. I just find his take to be extremely stupid.
Happy to see anything you release. Good work man👍
Eggman sounds like stereotypical pirate.
This game made me appreciate more Shadow's modern VA
im so glad someone mentioned the camera issues with how you constantly have to jump your thumb from face buttons to right stick, and how things have to be on screen for you to homing attack them. it felt like talking into a void when nobody else seemed to care about that like its not an issue.
tho i wanna say that i found turning also too sensitive i guess. it feels too weird for me, i cant quite get the hang of it for whatever reason, but also im so glad i realised i can lock onto bosses through a youtube video...
Is it really worth checking out Sonic Almonds in the long run
I dunno, man, I love this eastern european, eurojank voice acting. Shit's just, chef's kiss in a soviet era apartment complex communal kitchen, with cooking of potatoes with a hint of condensed milk and alenka chocolate bars.
I dunno man, I just can't hate it 🤣
The average Norwegian dub is worse than this, so I don't mind it as I have heard a lot worse.
Honestly the voice acting sometimes feels like it was cut from a real time fandub but without the laughter or the context that makes it funny, but jarring
Also for the final boss, when you see the laser move you are supposed to boost under him, he cancels it early if you do. thats the mechanic. when you see him jump you can run to him to save on meter
6:58 It’s like 3am. I wheezed at this shit. I need to go the fuck to sleep
Sounds like a khajiit
A game should be fun before and after you master its mechanics and levels. You shouldn't have to do your homework to find where the fun is, it should be apparent from the start.
First impressions are important. And if this dude didn’t get to play the game for a second time, he would’ve probably thought it was even worse.
@@brawler5760 I thought it was much worse before I played through the game multiple times. Lmao.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 man you really are everywhere huh? Do you atleast get a cut of the 100 patreon dollars a month for your PR work?
And are you really arguing first impressions aren't important, for real? You clearly don't know what your talking about.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 or that the game is just riddled with unclear design and jank of which would really bog down an experience.
Simply saying "lol skill issue" really shows how out of touch you are with what we're talking about.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Okay you all-mighty “based” as fuck gamer who just happens to be from Brazil, what if I played Borderlands 2 for the first time and never wanna play it again, is it because of skill issues? No. The game has a ton of flaws as well that make the experience not fun to play…
Sonic Omens
Subtitles: Sonic Almonds
It kinda sounds like he's saying that.
Sonic Omens is the Hunt Down The Freemen of fan games!
*sonic fan games
Except this actually seems to have more effort put into it. HDTF is... A mess and a bunch of the developers are yet to be paid for their work. They also ended up hijacking the game when the lead left for Activision to add their own jabs at the lead, as well as improving the game with free updates. Sadly, the money paid to get the game does not go to them, though I believe they might have a Patreon.
AHH right, they also added tons of achievements based on memes of the game.
I was gonna make this exact video with these exact points but when the controversy came to a head I decided to scrap it, so i appreciate this.
Great critique video on the fangame.
I noticed that Exiled is just a straight rip off of Justice from GG, and the Maria fights looks a lot similar to the Bob Barbas fight from DmC
The thing about controls is that people who tend to call them trash play on a controller but i personally believe that KB+M was an intended way to play Infinity Engine sonic fangames because moving camera with mouse is SO much eacher than awkwardly moving your right thumb of off action buttons just to readjust camera. In official Sonic games this is not a problem because the game automatically moves the camera for you but in Omens there will be moments where you will have to manually adjust it to the situation which is simply not that easy. Maria Boss fight is a perfect example of this as on a controller you have to continiuosly adjust the camera in order to auto target enemies to chain homing attacks but by doing so you kinda leave yourself open due to not being able to immidiately homing attack to the next target as your thumb is too busy moving the camera so you cant use it to homing attack however on KB+M Both homing attack and camera controls can be easily done with mouse(Homing attack is mapped to left mouse button so you can pretty much homing attack/double jump as you rotate the camera) so you can do both actions at the same time while on a controller you cannot. I've seen countless people calling Maria Dark Souls levels of difficulty because they keep being hit by things but as a KB+M player i didn't had this bad of a time as the controls allowed me to do both actions necessary to easily complete this boss fight and pretty much every stage as this setup allowed me to react accordingly to any and all hazards that the game decided to throw my way and not only that playing with KB+M gave me overall a much better Omens experience as i didn't encouter nearly as many problems controller users did as far as the difficulty or level design issues go besides few small glitches here or there such as getting randomly stuck in a spring or an enemy for like 3 seconds so is it REALLY fair to blame Omens for something that the engine is at fault? This will be a problem for all Infinity Engine games moving forward so either learn how to play with KB+M or consider not playing Infinity Engine games as they're obviously not as controller friendly as we would like them to be. To close this off i will add that since our racoon guy is being mentioned here i will say that outright i agree with most of this view regarding both gameplay(especially in regards to the difficulty which is NOT a bad thing as we were long overdue more challanging Sonic game) as well as controversy except for his view on Maria's textures which he tries to excuse by saying it was probably just one guy who did that but no, no matter if it just one guy this simply cannot be excused. The game is seriously overhated for the silliest of reasons and the fanbase reaction to this is honestly overblown to the point where it almost feel meme worthy.
The thing with game engines is that you can still change things in the system. That's what lead to Infinity Engine +.
So honestly you could make some changes with how the camera works since Omens was also able to add mechanics, like I stated in the video.
I actually agree with this. I don't know why but playing omens on a keyboard feels strangely "right" it's hard to explain and i know it will probably sound crazy but it almost feels like you're playing a first person shooter with WASD used to move sonic around, mouse to move camera almost like you aim your gun, shitf button lets you boost just as it lets you sprint in shooters and left mouse doing the jump almost as if you were shooting your weapon. It's all very bizzare but as Todd Howard would say it just work and believe me i first played Omens with with a controller because i've been playing Sonic games with a controller pretty much since Adventure 2 and thats just what i'm used to but once i switched to keyboard just for Omens it actually blew my mind how much better it was we're talking it went from being a 4/10 experience to 6, almost 7/10(Purely gameplay wise) and i'm so impressed by this control scheme i will probably play Frontiers with Keyboard and mouse provided Sonic Team allows it.
I grew up partially playing all kinds of Sonic fan games on the family computer. So Sonic Omens should be right up my alley. But my opinion of Omens was ruined as the first time I heard it it was described as “the best looking Sonic game”. Immediately I knew the fandom was out of control so I checked it out. And nope, it looks great for a fan game but that’s it. I eventually had no desire to play it since it was nothing but drama.
After your critique I think it’s finally time for me to give it a shot. It looks super fun despite the terrible unfriendly level design and glitches. I’m honestly used to it. I’m going to treat it like a fun fan game. Like everyone should. Not the messiah of Sonic games.
Edit: I quit on the second boss. That wasn't worth my time.
LOL
For the homing attack issue is actually not the target that's the problem.
The target is in sync with the camera but you can still homing attack something else if you're holding the direction to whatever else you're trying to homing attack even though it's not targeted.
Press it without any direction it will auto Target whatever it is that the target indicator is on
Great video, one thing you could've talked about though would probably be the story, but that's fine.
Really liked how you critiqued the game without having to be biased
Honestly, it's not even worth talking about the history of this fangame.
@@talesxavier5752 I wasn't talking about the history, I meant the plot
I'm surprised he didn't tbh
7:31 XD I gotta agree hard though, the voice acting needed a LOT of polish on direction and delivery. Mostly delivery, because they tried way too hard to mimic the OGs when we’d all have been fine with hearing their own versions of the characters. I mean, Adrenaline Dubs is an easy reference point for what one should strive for when it comes to character inflection vs character feel.
And while you can FEEL it....it’s not all that natural and the pace on a lot of the line deliveries is a mess.
11:30 Full disclosure as one of those people XD I totally never figured out there was a lock-on function. Cours,e when I swapped to controller, by that point I honestly didn’t have anywhere near as much trouble as before that. I just play better with controller personally. It’s my comf zone
13:28 Yeah... Maria is not a good boss. Thematically, she’s good, but he actually fight is.......utter garbage. The escalation in difficulty, while it feels natural, doesn’t lend itself to either the arena or the gameplay, even the obstacles tend to get in their own way. At least you can refill chaos but that’s assuming you even get the chance to without having to waste it on chaos control just for better maneuverability. There is nothing worth defending with this one.
14:07 I actually kinda liked the Exiled fight. You have to fill the boost to turn super and wail on him, but you also have to sort of manage it so you can avoid his attacks effectively. Unlike Maria, it’s a decent challenge for a boss fight that puts the flow in the players hands. Do I try to max out the gauge and go in for a beat down, or do I hang back for this attack and try and blitz enemies and bubbles while boosting to keep it up? I can see why it wouldn’t be a favorite, me personally, I got trashed up till I got a solid groove flowing and that’s without lock on by the way(Probs would’ve helped). But I dig it. It’s probably my favorite fight for how much different mechanics become while offering a challenging setup that ISN’T super unfair in its presentation and just build on cheap nonsense. Lookin at you Maria
20:04 I gave someone else flick for not thinking to use chaos control here, but having played for myself,now? .....yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, hi. First play club. XD like, you get into that zone of imma blitz everyone and everything at supersonic speed and then you get caught by those platforms and realize “FUCK.” Plus side, it’s a very trial and error moment that can hone your reaction and expectation of the timing, buuuuutit is pretty cheap if you ain’t payin attention which, nine out of ten, you won’t be xD
31:09 I was honestly avoiding this video, just because of the last guy I watched just sort of going on with a raging hate boner with no rhyme or reasoning to a lot of the things he’s saying besides bashing. And Igotta be honest: I’m glad I finally watched this. You have to be the most open, sensible critique I’ve seen of this game that isn’t blinded by salt or desperate pandering. I love it. Because yeah, this game isn’t perfect, it has a lot of flaws, and god knows what extent the controversy is reaching behind its development. And I think this kind of open-minded review is worth a lot. Keep up the good work, you just earned a new sub~.❤
So just by watching this alone it feels like the game either wants you to go stupid fast or dead ass slow with no in between and when you do decide to do what the game asks you will just be punished anyway. It’s like a dysfunctional parent that if you do what is being asked of you, your just gonna be smacked up later anyway.
That metarex part also goes against most of the official sonic enemy patterns as most of sonics enemies are stationary however if they do move they aren’t bolting right at you they come at you in a manageable speed that lets you be able to react accordingly. So just on gameplay alone it feels like there was disconnect from what the game wants to do to how the players should act which already is a failed design.
If you want Sonic to go fast make him fast, make the levels incentivize that speed but don’t take it all away with randomness with no build up in preparation to said randomness. An this is just my take from gameplay alone I’m not even gonna point out the camera wankiness that also punishes you and so on.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 This isn’t a skill issue. If you are barreling down a tight corridor and you are prompted to turn a sharp right only to be greeted by a spike wall or pitfall with no warning or build up to it. Is that the players fault or the level designs fault?
You can’t expect people to have the reflexes to react to something in milliseconds especially when going at blistering speeds. There needs to be build up/ foreshadowing/warning in the levels structure to tell you that those dangers will happen. An there needs to be a level of confidence in that design that leans to the player being able to tackle it with confidence. Like running up a wall only to have the physic making you fall off said wall isn’t a skill issue.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Difference between unleashed and Omens just from this Video alone is Unleashed usually lets you see what’s coming at you in advance and the physics in place are confident enough that I wouldn’t fall off a wall while maintaining top speed. Omens however does not. No matter how you are trying to spin this to make yourself justified it isn’t gonna work for you.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Says the person who can’t provide a valid point to their statement. I understand you got to validate your purchase/enjoyment as gospel but don’t try to place that blind “Can’t do no wrong” BS onto others. Instead of trying to come at me for stating opinions and literal common game design fundamentals maybe you should do some research for yourself and put in the effort into why you think Omen doesn’t deserve the criticism it is receiving. Maybe that would be more productive of your time then arguing with everyone here including myself.
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LOOK GARY THERE I AM!
6:50
Ouroboros really said "second takes are for cowards"
Chaser destroys racoon's "objective facts" with reasonable opinions - 2022
I know absolutely NOTHING about this game or it’s drama. This random video in my feed is all I’ve heard and seen. And regardless of all this all I can genuinely say is: It amazes me to see what a fan base can do. It may not be the best game or anything, but wow. It’s impressive to see fans make something like this.
I am curious how this game is processing on your computer I have never gotten the bugs you got in the vid... And I speed run this game. That floating number point on different cpu goes crazy.
Did you ever finish spark 3 and learn all the combat mechanics? The guy who made it posted a contest about making a stylish gameplay video.
Dawg I've beaten the game like 5 times LOL.
And yeah I saw the contest thing. I'm debating on entering if I have enough time.
Omens uses the base Ininity engine with no changes with movement at all so the linear stages are hard to play though with that cause Infinity Engine was never made for linear games
This video I think is the one I'll give to anyone who asks about the game. Really good video. You're honest and you don't just outright shit on it cause there are some good parts. 👌
"Bullet hells are not good for Sonic fans"
Lol speak for yourself, I love bullet hells. But this in particular does look bad.
Loool my bad.
This game feels like a parody of 2000s Sonic games lol
So tryhard
Well made man, well made.
Rofl!!!. .😂😂🤣🤣😭💀💀💀👌👌🔥🔥🔥🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 yo chaser tech welcome back fam. . Your review on the bosses and the metorex light speed attack section was funny as hell man you got a true knack and a gift for this don't give up fam 😁😁😁🤣😂😂🤣
That voice acting is hilarious.
The actor they got almost sounds like Penny Parker doing her impression honestly.
the last part got me good ngl
Hey what's the song you had during the ending bits of the video?
Sonic Adventure - Event Sadness
Playing Sonic and Shadow stages on keyboard and mouse is awful. It's impossible to boost and side step at the same time depending on your keyboard layout, and Shadows abilities are mapped to the numpad. Now go and try to dash or chaos control in the middle of the action when you have to let go of the mouse and hit the key - and that's assuming you'll hit the right number at your first attempt - to then press C to activate it.
Sonic games doesn't work well with this kind of inputs, and that's the same issue I had with 3D blast. Still, for a fan project, it is really impressive. I had way more fun with it than with Forces, that's for sure.
I wonder if people know the graphics and sonic/shadow controls weren’t made by them. They’re a free engine you can download that comes with everything excluding springs and rings and stuff
Edit: it’s HALF stated in this video
I originally didn't want to hate this game, really I wanted it to be good. Graphics are beautiful and it presented itself like an official game, other than the really bad cutscenes. But after learning about the Patreon and realizing just how trash the level design is, how often you run out of boost, numerous glitches, and I could keep going on, it's clear that the devs don't understand Sonic, any of it, and they tried to just do a ton of fanservice in story, which is pretty lame too, I will say.
The only plus of this game to me is the music, and graphical fidelity overall is pretty good. Super disappointed.
This game looks horribly generic, and I can never understand why people like the art style. Also the main developer, BOLT, literally said at some point that after 1998, Sonic went to shit.
@@brawler5760 It's weird for him to say that because SA1 is relatively tame and light hearted compared to Omens tryhard "I wanna be a mid 2000s game" story
@@maude7420 Yeah, as someone who personally felt that SA2 was the pinnacle of Sonic, I still think that Omens should have approached boosting more like Sonic Generations or Unleashed. No wonder the project basically fell, the dev didn't even like the Boost System then.
About the boost I figured they were trying to make you use boost the least often possible. So you really should use boost for air boosting and gaining speed again.
Even the music I didn't find all that great. It all sounds a bit samey and repetitive to me (and one of them is actually a remix of a song from the cars 2 videogame)
That sonic show quote is the reason I unsubscribed from them
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 the 3 major plot points
Honestly, IMO, this is worse than any official product Sega themselves have put out in recent years.
id actually play sonic forces than this
@@neru1584 Well, I thought Forces was overhated, but I see where you're coming from.
06 is actually better than Omens
@@jesuspernia8031 Agreed.
Sega does what fans don't
Ok so I stopped playing around gun Arsenal (chaos dash problems) but I HATED waterfall chase, because the first section and the last section of the level have a instakill barrier that constantly chases you, and it took me so long to get through the level because if you missed up the landing on that macaroni shaped curve down or hit a rock while you are boosting you will hit a rock, you will slow down and you will die
I had to actually take a break and come back to get past it, and it was at the point where I decided to stop being curious and just listen to others
huge potential ruined by a severe and obvious lack of playtesting. its sad cuz graphically this looks beautiful and some of these ideas seem really fun. but i'm not trying to sweat my ass off and deal with half baked mechanics
Only seen this game one time before this video (ofc, any other reference to this game is probs about the drama) and love that shoutout to Sonic Robo Blast 2 cause that was like the fangame I threw away a bunch of hours in (and made my own crappy levels).
I know probs don't have much opinion from not playing it, but even with the praise for some parts it did right, I... don't like the other boxes it ticks;
It honestly straight up reminds me of the IWBTG (I Wanna Be The Guy) Fangames .
Trial-and-Error Gameplay (Yep, I lifted the exact TV Trope). Not often a big fan, though still a necessary evil imo for some games. Small doses are fine, but this game takes it to the extreme from the looks of it.
Games like this and those IWBTG fangames.. or Kaizo Mario.. It's built upon that you would already have this prior knowledge to complete the level -- which the only way to get this prior knowledge is... well, getting smacked or getting folded. Even IF you knew the mechanic sometimes (like the Maria boss fight on that bullet hell section you mentioned), it can still be difficult because past the trial-and-error... there's just.. well, "Are you feeling lucky?"
Some parts of it feel like they felt the tutorial was sufficient enough that you should, by the end of the game or even halfway through, be able to execute advanced mechanics or display a higher degree of mastery of the game that people may not achieve EVEN after completing the game.
The way they deal with emergent gameplay (being introduced to new mechanics outside of the tutorial) seems to be only this trial-and-error. You feel good and can have a pretty "A-HA!" moment when you get the trick behind it down, but like you mentioned, does not excuse the lack of polish. For games like IWBTG, THIS is the gameplay.. but for Sonic Omens -- looking at it... most of it seems unintentional, like those who were developing it had tunnel vision and didn't have a problem while playtesting (only because they already KNEW how to pass the level already ofc).
There's no... additional tutorial pop-ups, no character just nodding to you that you MIGHT want to do this (when you were getting hit by the bird with the giant hitbox at 23:20 coming to mind) which in one hand, don't like a game when it handholds the fuck out of you, but other times understand to ease frustration that you might need to do it. Possibly because this one thing you have to do pops up out of nowhere and will NEVER come up again. (For counterexample, you don't need to be told when 26:00 comes up, the perspective there is either just bad level design for enemy placement or unforgiving AI).
Very old games ofc did this too and while still are fun to play, also is in the same pool of "does not excuse the ridiculousness of it" (If you ever played some old point-and-click games, you would know. If you ever played NES Ninja Turtles -- you'd probs know too if you got far enough at least).
I won't say the game is garbage either after this vid, but it is one of those games that feel like you have to go through a bunch of bad to see a little bit of good, which doesn't feel worth it unless I'm feeling like a glutton for punishment.
All in all, real nice video.
Nice review!
(Ps I just subbed
This game is proof that people with thick foreign accents should stop trying to voice established characters with distinct voices. They're never enjoyable to listen to and make every piece of media they're in a nightmare.
And if they are going to do that, they should do it in their native language, just so it sounds way more natural.
30:43. Your mic quality was fine. My mic on the other hand sucks ****. xD
Having played this and beating it without knowing about the lock on feature for boss battles, I agree with everything you said. This game literally made me so angry that I nearly threw my Xbox One controller out of my window from how difficult and unfair the final levels of this game are. Also, this whole Omens thing made me unfollow the Sonic Show because of how he asked for all of our opinions and then just ignored it to give his opinion.
Loading up the video first ad that appears is a Sonic as Lmao
I think steering feels pretty loose
It's mainly because of the camera.
Ex: in Sonic Adventure 2 when you're on Green Forest or White jungle you're holding up the character is moving in the center of that slope whereas in this game you got to keep steering left and right to keep that balance before you fly off the screen
This game is the epitome of who's mans is this
I know the Adventure games had a lock-on for the bosses, but just like the camera system in general, the official implementation is fully-automatic rather than something that has to be manually done.