The road to cutting Aluminum on my Desktop CNC!

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  • The Sienci Mill One was a strange tool to start with - bare-bones to be barely usable yet with potential of turning into a much more capable machine. Here's the mods and improvements I made to finally get it cutting aluminum!
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  • @Nedeles
    @Nedeles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    "Softer materials arent hard to cut"
    Yeah, that make sense

    • @mackk123
      @mackk123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      When cutting hardenable 4k series stainless, its normal to harden it so its easier to cut. Too soft and it gums up the tools. Too hard and obviously..... lol

    • @richardphatthenguyen195
      @richardphatthenguyen195 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It reminds me that if you don't feed high enough when cutting plastic, it gets melted as tool advance. Copper on the other hand is a pain, because it leaves a tear down and sharp texture :(

  • @faspit95
    @faspit95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    For a quick speed and feed reference that is an app I use FSWizard. I pay for the pro version. You enter your material, type and thickness, then your tool whether it is a drill, endmill, or burr. Then your machine power and rpm limits. It will give you your speed and feed as well as depth and width po er cut.
    I am a retired engineer that came up thru the machine shop ranks. I have 35 years of cnc programming and 40 years in a machine shop. I started using FSWizard snd found most of the information to be spot on, only the deep hole drilling and some cast iron castings to be off but those are more of a feel type deal.
    I prefer air blast over coolant also, rules use to be coolant for high speed tools. For carbide tools you must use flooding and higher pressure coolant jets, never a mist, carbide will micro fracture if not under constant coolant. Carbide likes heat, just under the materials melting point, it also likes pressure to cut and leave a nice finish.
    Keep up with the great shows, very good explaining of your problems and issues and most importantly your solutions to correct.

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks, I didn't know about FSWizard yet! I knew there was some Windows tool that did something similar, but IIRC it's a ~$100 license.

  • @eclsnowman
    @eclsnowman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Good job on getting it running better than before. One recommendation I might make is to do your finishing pass at full depth, that is if you've got enough active cutting length. Looking at the tool marks in the video it looks like it's doing a finishing pass on each step down.
    Also I recently made a CAM flub which was really beneficial. I made my depth of cut substantially deeper than I usually do, my radial engagement slightly smaller, and my feedrate faster. When I hit go and noticed my mistake I was about to hit cancel but then let it run for a bit. My material removal rate was greatly enhanced, and my surface finish and sound on the tool was way better. I guess my point is try and use more of the flute if you can, instead of cutting only with the end of the end mill. Also I've noticed over the years that I can plunge with a single flute and mill in a helix far faster than I used to do.
    Excited to see you what else you can come up with now that you've got it working better.

    • @FusionMan-ev9yh
      @FusionMan-ev9yh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He cant. The machine has to much flex in it. A full depth cut will just leave tapered walls.

  • @misteragony
    @misteragony 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It would be interesting to see your actual milling settings when generating your Paths. I have a selfmade CNC myself and tried cutting aluminium myself a few weeks ago. Still learning what works best. As far as I can see you take a different aproach to Path generation than I have.

  • @Zachary3DPrints
    @Zachary3DPrints 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking great! In a few days, I need to work with 6mm aluminium, Z Frame for I3 MK2. Drilling, and sawing...

  • @TobyRobb
    @TobyRobb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your awesome content. Talking over your experiences with CNC routing has been very helpful as i am also trying to do the same. Greetings from down under.

  • @juliansowa3461
    @juliansowa3461 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is cool. I have some experience on larger cnc machines and this is tempting to get one for home.
    Also quick tip: 1/8” endmills will flex a lot on their own. If you put it as far as you can without putting the flutes into the collet it will help you a lot I think.

  • @miquelsalvatejedor3123
    @miquelsalvatejedor3123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Congratulations on your great channel
    More CNC content, please!
    Thank you

  • @PiefacePete46
    @PiefacePete46 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you are already bumping into the limits of the design. Keep fine tuning it, experimenting with incremental changes, learn from it, use it to make useful parts, but resist the temptation to spend too much on it. When you have finally gone as far as it can take you, the experience you have gained, added to the sizable amount of hands-on experience you already have with printers, will put you in a good space for the next adventure. I like the progression Nikodem Bartnik is making with his Dremel CNC, and now his Indymill. Stepper motors etc. have been around for decades, but the ready availability of usable budget priced components over the last few years has resulted in a flood of creativity. Thanks for your videos.

  • @jimbmakin7975
    @jimbmakin7975 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the same router on my RS-CNC32 build! Works great so far, got the 1/8" collet from elaire for it and it seems to be even better build quality than the stock 1/4" collet that it comes with. Definitely worth it. Haven't cut aluminium on my machine yet but I've seen videos of people doing it quite well. Seems to be a very rigid setup, for the XZ axis alone you have 16 bearings making contact to the square tube rail! Hard as I tried I couldn't detect any slop at all. Of course the 3d printed parts are the weak link and hopefully will use it to route parts for an even more rigid machine ;) I have to thank you for your honest review on the MPCNC otherwise I might have made the mistake and went with that instead of the awesome RS-CNC32

  • @lumberjackengineering2649
    @lumberjackengineering2649 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    "The folks making this open source machine were happy to see some mods" Oh man, shorts fired at you-know-who, hahaha!

    • @hypnolobster
      @hypnolobster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@nunopereira6092 He better not be, I'm almost done printing the current burly.

    • @no-trick-pony
      @no-trick-pony 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't get it, what kind of drama did I miss?

    • @no-trick-pony
      @no-trick-pony 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Never mind, found it. Man. Sucks.

    • @LimabeanStudios
      @LimabeanStudios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just did some googling to find out what you were talking about. Insane to me that someone could react like that, so sad to see.

    • @SaitoGray
      @SaitoGray 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Carlos Varas The M3DPCNC dude is not very open for someone who did an open source machine.

  • @anthonyseck3782
    @anthonyseck3782 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid Tom!

  • @Thorhian
    @Thorhian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Honestly Thom, you should build a mill. Say no to MDF frames, leadscrews driving the axis, and trim routers being used as a spindle. I'm actually beginning my journey of building a CNC mill at the moment, accumulating tools and parts.

    • @JasonScottHamilton
      @JasonScottHamilton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely. Rigidity is king and you need something much stronger. I have a Tiag Mini Mill that I converted to CNC and even that lacks the rigidity desired for cutting aluminum at a decent speed.

  • @kurtlindner
    @kurtlindner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That outro :D
    I was immediately thinking, "where is he gonna go?"

  • @johanneswestman87
    @johanneswestman87 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your intuition about raising the rpm on the makita is correct(I have a sienci as well - unmodified though). The makita behaves the best on the 30000 rpm setting in my opinion. My recipe for milling aluminium(adaptive) is:
    2mm stepdown, 0.6 mm optimal load. 30k rpm, 0.0254 mm feed per tooth, 900mm lead in and leadout, 200mm plunge and ramp. I do a 4mm 2-flute cutter.

  • @jimstamper7062
    @jimstamper7062 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    good job Bob

  • @ChimpyChamp
    @ChimpyChamp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm doing the same thing with my OX, I'm using the cheap carbide 3.175mm double flute cutters, and they work quite well! something I have noticed is heat plays a BIG part in the process, my DeWalt router blows air down onto the part so I think that helps, but, you can reason that the faster you run the router the more energy there is for things to go "wrong" so I run the router at quite a low speed (2) as to not heat up the metal stock, at a feed-rate of around 550/570 mpm.

  • @katzolik
    @katzolik 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've heard nylon anti backlash nuts are amazing for such applications!

  • @fernandorendon317
    @fernandorendon317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Now that it "mills" aluminum could you replace the 3D printed brackets with aluminum?

    • @SteffenBauer
      @SteffenBauer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      thats the reprap spirit :)

    • @fernandorendon317
      @fernandorendon317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@SteffenBauer yeap upgrade everything you can then use the upgrades to upgrade more

    • @hpekristiansen
      @hpekristiansen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@fernandorendon317 Next Bob will be cutting steel and then diamond.

    • @RNMSC
      @RNMSC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, and no. Yes you can replace many of the 3d printed parts with milled aluminum parts, but there are a couple of places where the 3d printed parts are going to pose challenges. Bob has limited cutting depth, simply because of the varieties of bits he's working with. If you can only reach 20mm, and you need to support a cut of 50mm to allow for M8 mounting holes 30 mm in from the end of the angle brackets, in X, Y and Z, you're either going to have to mill that as a corner pointing down to have clearance, and do a lot of finish cleanup, or contemplate developing a new model for that bracket. Also there's the issue of already looking at coming up with a new Y rail system, so do you replace those first then do this for the X and Z? Or look at the changes done for the Y, and consider whether they make for better solutions for X and Z as well? It could go either way, but I'd consider replacing the Y system, then using the old Y brackets to build molds to cast replacement X and Z brackets out of aluminum.

    • @mackk123
      @mackk123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@RNMSC just make a second machine at that point. If you replace everything and end up with a pile of the original parts, which is the original machine?

  • @jostsalathe
    @jostsalathe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Oh, PLEASE make a name tag that shows to everyone that it is called Bob! Phenomenal! =D

    • @RicoElectrico
      @RicoElectrico 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And add googly eyes ;)

  • @ayoung0574
    @ayoung0574 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool vid, have been thinking about building a cnc machine and this was really helpful

  • @mrp19285
    @mrp19285 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just did a Cbeam Z on my openbuilds OX and it was worth it. I am now cutting aluminum way better then before. Right now I am all lead screw. If you could I would say get cbeam for all the rails.

  • @createforcuriosity225
    @createforcuriosity225 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Thomas, very nice job again !
    If you need any help, tell me ahah !
    PS : For the backslash, I use some 3D printed T8 "counter" nut, pretty easy to print in 0.1mm and can add some friction to reduce backlash a lot

  • @elvisjonesus
    @elvisjonesus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bed needs a double rail. Nice upgrade so far. Some of the flat parts are good for water jet cutting.

  • @Felipe87eing
    @Felipe87eing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thomas, there is a very good benchtop machine for cutting aluminum call Momus CNC Router. Maybe could be usefull if planning doing regular parts in aluminum (small parts)..

  • @ChristophPech
    @ChristophPech 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    A tip for cleaning of the stuck aluminium from those end mills: drain cleaning powder with Sodium Bisulfate (Natriumhydrogensulfat) It dissolves all aluminium but keeps the carbide and coating perfectly intact.

  • @gamerpaddy
    @gamerpaddy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i started a cnc in 2016 which grew historically. it went trough wood, partially metal to full metal, it went from drawer slides over to 20mm precision linear rails, rebuilt the controller few times, new spindles from a laser to a even stronger laser to a dremel, then dc motor, to a highspeed chinese spindle and so on. it never worked properly and probably cost me 1500+ upwards. it grew bigger than what i have space for and never cut more than 3 letters in wood before something bad happened. drivers overheating, step skips, mechanical flex, fusion360 overlooked default settings breaking endmills, connection issues between software and grbl.
    its something you gonna pull your hairs out over time

  • @solverbox
    @solverbox 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're on the right path with thinking of replacing the leadscrews with ballscrews (probably half inch ones..), but you could also easily add some rigidity to the X axis by linking the two new bolts with a solid steel cylinder (maybe about 20mm dia) that's drilled and tapped on both ends to accept those new bolts. That would probably add a lot more frame rigidity across what seems to be the weakest dimension from your test cuts (the part of the video where you're talking about the spring in the anti-backlash nut being a weak point). Seems like a nice project! Hoping to build my own CNC within the next 2 years, may end up with small manual mini mill first..

  • @CraigConnors
    @CraigConnors 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a nextwave automation CNC 3d router that uses rods for the tracks, very sloppy results even with just wood. I added linear rails to the back and no more play. I also raised the sides up, it uses HDPE for the structure, and angled the cutter head back. After taking pictures of it and sending it to the makers of the machine, they now use my upgrades for their new machines. I purchased mine in 2009 and it cuts aluminum easily now. Nice thing about yours is you can make new sides to boost the height for the z movement, or maybe add some linear slide rails to the sides and make the z adjustable.

  • @boblewis5558
    @boblewis5558 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know if your Makita has the same end thread as my 850 watt £30 cheap Chinese trim router but I bought an ER11 adapter for my CNC3020 and discovered that the collet nut actually will fit directly to my trim router! Now it can have a proper ER11 3.18mm collet nut OR its normal 1/4" collet nut! If you have an ER11 adapter for a 6mm shaft you may want to try it!

  • @theimpactfx.2514
    @theimpactfx.2514 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see you now use this machine to make an aluminium version with linear rails etc. thanks

  • @DavidinEssexUK
    @DavidinEssexUK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Be careful with that router. I had 3 of them catch on fire in my CNC. Luckily Makita replaced them all under warranty. I’m now using a water cooled spindle.

    • @W4TRI
      @W4TRI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can you share the brand and model of the new spindle? Thanks!

    • @KriLL325783
      @KriLL325783 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I assume that router like most power tools have a limited duty cycle? They're not designed to run continously for a long time, more like run a short time, then be off for about the same length of time repeat.

    • @DavidinEssexUK
      @DavidinEssexUK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Christian Gerefalk mine all failed in the bearings. As a trim router I guess they are only designed to be used for a few minutes max.

    • @KriLL325783
      @KriLL325783 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hmm wonder if the bearings simply weren't up to the task or continuous use made parts heat up and expand causing more wear and or lubricant issues etc. Could also just be built down to a price making it not last very long.

    • @DavidinEssexUK
      @DavidinEssexUK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Christian Gerefalk I suspect designed to a price point with a low duty cycle anticipated.

  • @ntesla66
    @ntesla66 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Tom!

  • @SergeiPetrov
    @SergeiPetrov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I see that you already use "Climb mill" technology on this CNC. I think that would also work with MPNC. I am still waiting for the continuation of the MPNC series :)

    • @claytonsmith9170
      @claytonsmith9170 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      if you are talking about his MPCNC series it is over. There were like 9 video's in all (2 that had to do with hardware selection, the 6 in the build series and then the wrap up finale that he talks about why he tore it apart. I won't go into it here as it has nothing to do with this build).

  • @TheNamelessOne12357
    @TheNamelessOne12357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are adjustable anti-backslash nuts for lead screws made by OpenBuilds. They built "C-Beam Machine", a CNC intended for cutting aluminium plates, and it cuts really well with no wobbling.
    BTW, What about MPCNC Project? There was some license conflict, and you will never try it again? If so, maybe you would build and OpenBuilds CNC machine on a LiveStream? :)

  • @cosmo9290
    @cosmo9290 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your video, we are fine and hope you are to.
    I was wondering if it would be possible to mill the brackets that are 3D printed out of aluminium but give them room for adjustment (attaching them to the housing) so you can square the rail!
    I am not sure if this is something that you have already considered.
    Please stay safe and keep us updated on your progress 👍😊

  • @ehabmdsami
    @ehabmdsami 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, actually I've learning a lot from you.
    I have a question, or an idea, I think that a rotary tool with the a flex shaft used for jewelry making would fit nice for a small CNC.
    What I mean exactly is something like Foredom rotary tool.
    Actually, I'm quite curious to know the result of having one in place of the common spindle or router. The main thing about it is that its spindle is extremely light weight.
    I know that Netwon's first law tells us that it won't make any difference in the XY plane but I still think the light weight would make a significant difference.
    What do you think?

  • @DavidinEssexUK
    @DavidinEssexUK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you try using some cooling fluid or air to improve the cut. Water and WD40 mixed makes a cheap cooling solution.

  • @umlooad
    @umlooad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Thomas, woudn´t it be better to use a steal linear rail for the y axis, the costs and accuracy are nearly the same (poor in some way, but works for many applications) in relation to the one you used. And maybe a quick hack would be, to just make four triangles from 20mm plywood (with a long as possible angle leg) and clue them in the top corners. Even here, steal is better, e.g. brackets from the hardware store.

  • @pipponia1234
    @pipponia1234 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Thomas! Is this one going to replace the MP CNC? Are you going to upgrade it? Would be a very interesting topic to follow for people interested in cnc but still confused about what is the “right” machine to build ..... thanks

  • @iheart3dprinting951
    @iheart3dprinting951 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing I love about your channel is that you do hyperfocus on Chinese made items, what I can't figure out is this intentional or just coincidence. Goodluck.

  • @clonkex
    @clonkex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    11:24 Looks to me like the stock is moving around :O

  • @ktmtooling
    @ktmtooling 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What steel do you use to make Aluminum die casting mold? normally we use D12, H13 etc.

  • @machgt
    @machgt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can get some of those mounted rod linear rails and bearings from China pretty cheap. I replaced the angle aluminum and skate bearings on my garage CNC with them and they work great! Also got ball screws and acme screws for pretty cheap. My machine is 48" x 24" so the bearing rails were pretty long. I need to take a video of it one of these days. I cut a nice string stop for a guitar out of aluminum with it and have cut the head off of a few grade 5 bolts (whoops!)

  • @Mobile_Dom
    @Mobile_Dom 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    must resist urge to ask Tom to mill some magnet holes in my Alu- bed/tooling plate

  • @urban2153
    @urban2153 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting design. At that size and feedrates mdf is fine though I think thicker stock would make a huge difference in stiffness. Useful for making plates your next better cnc. cnczone is the best resource for cncers old and new alike.

  • @danieldeodato9304
    @danieldeodato9304 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It’s nice to see a larger maker channel build a machine that is actually accessible to regular people and doesn’t require a bank loan to get started

    • @electronicsandewastescrapp7384
      @electronicsandewastescrapp7384 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A CNC 3040 4 axis machine you can get for under $500 to your door from various suppliers. If you look you can find them with ball screws.

    • @iheart3dprinting951
      @iheart3dprinting951 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like a shapeoko? Or like a Haas?

  • @zoppp621
    @zoppp621 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was shopping for an aluminum CNC yesterday, this video is so perfectly timed.

  • @garymonroe6699
    @garymonroe6699 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really liked the video, Tom. I made my own CNC machine off information I found on OpenBuilds.com. Great site for making your own stuff like this. One thing I found works really well for work hold-downs is regular blue painters tape and super-glue. If your waste board is relatively smooth, mine is MDF. You lay down a layer of blue tape to your waste board with enough surface to cover your stock. Then tape the back side of your stock. You super-glue the tape-covered side of your stock, and spray a little bit of activator on the tape on your waste board, and then lay your stock down. The amount of force it takes to lift that off the waste-board can only be done with a putty knife, or something like that. It works great, and saves lots if z-axis room. I hope this helps. By the way, I learned a lot about my 3-d printer from your videos. Very informative. I also use the free license of Fusion-360. The CAM that comes from it works great.

  • @ipworks99
    @ipworks99 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have cnc Router too,..
    Nice video

  • @mickob1754
    @mickob1754 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a trade cabinetmaker that specialises in cnc programming and machining with over 20 years experience I can give you a few tips. Forget the spiral cutters try tungsten carbide cutters. You can go from quarter inch down to 1.6 mm all with quarter inch shank so no need for collets. Also give your cutters a spray of a Teflon lubricant such as Inox it will help stop aluminium from sticking to your cutters.

  • @iiianydayiii
    @iiianydayiii 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd consider cutting the brackets out of polystyrene foam (make them more than 6.5mm thick everywhere) and then cast them from aluminum using the lost foam method. You could also make your mdf frame much more rigid by coating with fiberglass.

  • @suit1337
    @suit1337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you should use a dry coolant/lubricant like Fenella VD 201 N

  • @FilmFactry
    @FilmFactry 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always watch your ads fully:-)

  • @cazevedo77
    @cazevedo77 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOOKS MORE LIKE A TOY !

  • @AmauryJacquot
    @AmauryJacquot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you probably need 2 horizontal guides for the bed, instead of just one V shaped bar, in the closeups, the bed can be seen rocking from left to right and back when the tool moves around

  • @jasonjones-mj1mb
    @jasonjones-mj1mb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m looking at getting a hobby CNC so I can machine materials like brass, aluminum, carbon, acrylic sheets and MDF. This is for my hobby being slot cars to design chassis to race.
    I am on a budget too as I’m also looking at getting a 3D printer as well.
    What CNC machine do you think I’d be better getting whether I build one up or get already built?
    Thanks.

  • @kstenders
    @kstenders 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you should have a look at CamBam as your cam software. I'm using it since a while on my gantry cnc router

  • @pancake_crab4457
    @pancake_crab4457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two ideas:
    1. You could modify the router mount to add a bracket to hold the nozzle of a shop-vac. It will suck up most of the chips and provide some cooling airflow. I did that with my openbuilds machine a few years ago (don't ask me about the machine itself. it was bad and I regret buying it).
    2. Modify the bed to add a second rail for much better stability and less twisting.

  • @jajaramillo5
    @jajaramillo5 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tom. I believe that extrusions aluminium is the better option to upgrade your CNC. MDF should not be used for it; if wood is your selection for the case, then plywood is a better option. Could you please share the feedrate and milling parameters you use to cut aluminium? Thanks in advance.

  • @darylwilde8861
    @darylwilde8861 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just curious do you have any thoughts on the 3018 CNC machines?

  • @tylernewcomb1431
    @tylernewcomb1431 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you looked into the R-CNC? In my opinion, it is the most rigid 3d printed CNC design available.

  • @hj00001
    @hj00001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, thanks.
    what were the feeds and speeds that worked for you with the single flute end mill ?

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In aluminum and with 2D adaptive cuts, I settled for 600mm/min, 20k RPM, 2mm in Z and a 0.4mm optimal load.

    • @hj00001
      @hj00001 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MadeWithLayers thanks so much for the answer. Ive got to say I am operating a DIY cnc machine and aluminum is a nightmare for me. I hope those parameters will make it work better.
      The bigger endmill you showed was a 6mm single flute aswell?

  • @wvcollenburg
    @wvcollenburg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    this adds the question,... if you can machine aluminium, does that mean you could also make your own injection molding models? would PLA for instance be a usable material for doing the injection?

  • @Arek_R.
    @Arek_R. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why not put more of these openbuild rollers to increase the rigidity?

  • @jezdimir2007
    @jezdimir2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice. Defibately reduce backlash in your lead screws and go a second X axis imo.

  • @ElPants21
    @ElPants21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super glue can help with work holding in some cases. Just heat it up with a torch to release it. Could buy you back some space with that vice

  • @speedbottles
    @speedbottles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hey thomas, could you link the adapter sleeve?
    I am using the same router and was desperately looking for a way to use smaller endmills

    • @francistaylor1822
      @francistaylor1822 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      SpeedBottles, what router is this? I was going to install an upgraded motor in my generic 3018 machine, but it looks like routers are the better option.

    • @speedbottles
      @speedbottles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@francistaylor1822 it's a Makita RT0700C

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I ordered mine from Aliexpress: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Bf7YybOP
      There are three types available: The all-black ones with a flange, the shiny chromed ones and the ground one I use now. I've tried all three and only the ground one gave me decent runout - I guess Winston Moy found the same thing as iirc he uses the same style adapter on his Shapeoko.

    • @speedbottles
      @speedbottles 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MadeWithLayers Danke Thomas, das hilft mir ungemein!

  • @cahenr5045
    @cahenr5045 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about doing your own linear rails with good strength? I did mine with car shocks rods (although used they were in good shape) and with linear bearings. Almost "for free". In my case they are 20mm diameter and about 300mm long (front shocks from New Fiesta). I'm sure you can find some in good conditions with less diameter. You have to see the standards for linear bearings before, of course, to choose what you want.

  • @santiagoblandon3022
    @santiagoblandon3022 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happened to the 3D printed RC Plane?? (great video btw =D)

  • @LassiVVV
    @LassiVVV 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    think any compressed air nozzle cooling or vacuum cleaner nozzle keep working area clean to "cutter" do better work?

  • @knight2255
    @knight2255 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you have a link for the chinese 1/8" 10 pack of bits?

  • @HorizonMakes
    @HorizonMakes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Tom, could you share your CAM parameters? Feeds, speeds and DOC?

    • @zaprodk
      @zaprodk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I second this.

    • @andywakelin1380
      @andywakelin1380 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd also like this.

  • @prodeous
    @prodeous 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a strange feeling when watching the milling of that alluminium . Feels like the plate is moving less then a millimiter..Coudl be that screwes are not holding the piece tight enough for the aluminium to hold down correctly? at 11:25 timestamp

  • @adriel315
    @adriel315 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, Thomas, My name is Adriel, watching your videos has made me buy a 3d printer and I ended up getting an Ender 3. I'm a total novice and so I don't really know how to find the answer to one of my questions. I bought both the glass bed and the magnetic base for the ender 3 and I noticed that the magnetic base was a two-part system of which one you have to glue on to the base plate of the bed. my question is: if I 3M glue the magnetic base to the metal, can I still use the glass bed when I want to? I hope my question makes sense. thank you so much for all your videos!

  • @KriLL325783
    @KriLL325783 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could use the router to upgrade itself like a 3d printer I guess? Could replace the 3d printed brackets with milled alu?
    I'd recommend adding one of those flexible plastic segmented pipes and at least blasting the work with air to evacuate chips, coolant (water with some oil) would be even better but would require sealing the bottom of the frame and adding a pump and filter for chips etc etc. This old tony made a CNC router a while ago and I think it's a good reference point for useful features like accordion/sliding parts to shield the rails from chips/coolant.
    Btw you misspelled aluminium in the title ;)

  • @ksitau
    @ksitau 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thomas, AFAIK spindle RPM should strongly correlate X-Y-Z movement speed. Assuming same speed and:
    1. Too high RPM - you'll get "licking" and melting/burning of material (and/or tool)
    2. Too low RPM - you'll get too big forces on milling tool and it can break

  • @cda32
    @cda32 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if a Duet is a good upgrade to these low cost CNC

  • @Rottwiler44
    @Rottwiler44 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:14
    Tom: I figured out if you get your feeds and your speeds....
    Me: TWICE THE SPEED, HALF THE FEED!!!!!

  • @tonign80
    @tonign80 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello! I love your videos !! ... they are the best really ... I have had a desktop cnc machine like the one in this video and it is very good .... but I think I have spent a lot of time and money promoting improvements and over the years I think it's better to try to get something definitive now. I am thinking of examples, buying an Evo one cnc from makerdreams ... I like it because it is a Europe machine and it has very good characteristics ... I would very much like an introduction or review ... thanks

  • @blvck_mvgic
    @blvck_mvgic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been thinking for quite some time about a way to make cheap leadscrews kind of backlash free by using TWO nuts, one fixed and the other to be tightened in some way, maybe with a 3D printed block of some sort; it would do the same thing that these spring loaded nuts do but without the vibration since the nuts would be fixed in place
    about the backlash in the plane orthogonal to the leadscrew axis I don't think there's much to do honestly

  • @jafinch78
    @jafinch78 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the COVID lockdown and paying to have the Fab Lab print parts... I'm thinking I mise well take the parts I've been saving from old printers and make a 3D printer. However, seems like I'm better to make a CNC with steel and acme threaded rods. Maybe still using more of the stainless steel rods from the printers and some parts if heavy duty enough. Though thinking more along the line of square tubing material I have so can do plasma cutting work on also. Basically, I'm thinking I'm going to make a CNC plasma cutter that I can also consider using for 3D printing, maybe lower power laser work and more likely maybe CNC milling work. Considering what I'd actually make other than small 3D printer parts... seems I'm better to plan to make a larger 4x4' or potentially smaller 4x2' CNC and just feed in the sections for the longer sheets cuts. I do have some floppy and CD/DVD/BluRay drives and am thinking maybe for a first build project make a smaller 3D printer out of one of those also for practice in controls...or just better using the old printer parts? However, for the larger size maybe 3D printed parts... I'm thinking I'd more likely hot wire foam cut larger items and not so much 3D print so am still thinking just make the larger 4'x2' unit and the smallest 3D printer. I do have some 80/20 and can hit up the scrapyard to see if I can find anymore straight available and I have a bunch of 1/4" wall 2" square tube now that I got the $20 farmall front end loader for my garden tractor loader and backhoe material. Thinking can bring the long level with to check also. Then for small metal parts... I'm thinking outside of plasma cutting... just upgrading the 7x12 mini-lathe with the vertical slide into a mini-CNC lathe/mill. Any suggestions? Thinking I'll go with a RAMP module kit. Kicking myself for not picking a free copier when I saw a few this summer. Some look like a treasure trove of stepper motors and parts.

  • @Harad_nur
    @Harad_nur 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This one is much better than mpcnc, some addons and it will be perfect!)

  • @markokraljic5621
    @markokraljic5621 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where from do you get your aluminium blocks? Is there a reseller or are those scraps from some company?

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Random cuts from ebay. The thinner (4mm) stock I did my tests on was side pieces from my DIY delta printer, the milled triangular but is an offcut from the bed on that same printer.
      There's also a pretty competent steel shop nearby, but while they were always ok with selling me material for a few Euros each time I went, I think they're more geared towards job shops and construction companies.

  • @Ale_Lab
    @Ale_Lab 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    with aluminum and hihg rpm the 2 most important factors are chip evacuation and chip load. Add a 70L acquarium pump with the cheap NOGA nozzle you can find on ALI, Ebay, Amazon...ecc... to remove the chips and don;t go above 2 flutes cutter with such higher rpm or you increase too much rubbing and aluminum will melt on the cutter.

  • @MisterMakerNL
    @MisterMakerNL 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why not use Marlin then? I use it on my laser, and it works great. I use it with ESTLcam because well it is only 2D and it works pretty good for 2D.

  • @Alex-nl5cy
    @Alex-nl5cy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you add a second rail to the Y axis to widen the base, that would add a lot to the rigidity.

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've thought about that, but I think I'd rather swap to some fully supported MGN15 linear rails. Probably easier as well since Openbuilds wheels can be tricky to align when there's more than one set.

  • @lafields86
    @lafields86 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you provide a link to the cheaper Chinese enemies you're using?

  • @dockument3d482
    @dockument3d482 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tom, what program do you use to send the GCODE to the machine after generating GCODE from Fusion360?

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Universal gcode sender - the 3D printing tools like Pronterface struggle with the difference in gcode dialect between printers and mills.

    • @dockument3d482
      @dockument3d482 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! :)

  • @wktodd
    @wktodd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Given that the wheels only run on the edge of the axis angle , there's room for stiffener onthe back side. Would especially benefit the y axis

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I believe that's exactly what they're doing on the Longmill. On this Mill One, I could even attach the X rail to the back of the frame for the entire length!

  • @DrN4b0
    @DrN4b0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well i don't know if it's actually a good idea but Igus have these self lubricating lead screw nuts. I suppose they would be way better than those "springy" lead screws and if you dont run your machine like 24/7 they should last long enough before they wear out.

  • @wingvan
    @wingvan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Als er sagte sponsored by... dachte ich na mal sehen welche Werbung diesmal kommt. PCB Hersteller, Filament, Online Games... ne mal was richtig Originelles. gefällt mir :-)

  • @JanFlint
    @JanFlint 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bob, as the self replicating von neumann probe? If not it's a funny coincidence. I can only recommend the Bobiverse books - especially to makers which are also science fiction fans.
    Greetings from Wilhelmshaven

  • @tranjavanadbia123
    @tranjavanadbia123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    BOB is the name.

  • @groggynod
    @groggynod 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a feeling that tweet was about the "Sciencey"

  • @Rakeshkumar-ot2by
    @Rakeshkumar-ot2by ปีที่แล้ว

    Makita Router is little louder or very loud than 500w spindle?

  • @lucbelec995
    @lucbelec995 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would recommend to replace the angle guide with linear rail 12 to 20mm even better, the one that is combine with a ball screw (all in one) like FUYU FSL30 75$ on Amazon. Also have a minimum distance rail to cutter. You have something over 200mm tip to the center to the center of rotation of the angle. Angle is a clever design but as structure, not so much. A better support beam like 80/20 box 50x50mm and have the end screw to the frame (no 3D print part). Less part the better.
    Now, use 6061, (7075, 2024) tuff stuff but cut well. Bendable Aluminum like 5052 5056, 3003 are gommy. Have the correct feed and speed, allot of good cutter company have excellent chart. The old machinist was saying; You can go slow forever, fast for just few second. To slow result in more torque to your motor. Sorry but NEMA 17 is only good for 3D printer or light work. I think your screw are 2 to 4 leed, change that for 1 with the same pitch. If you can get a bigger screw...
    Well by now, just get a new machine LOL... Not as fun ;-) With a couple of hundred you could improve allot but still your motor will become the weak point, than the controller board, etc.
    Good luck, keep having fun...

  • @j4nch
    @j4nch 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think it's possible to cut aluminium with MPCNC?

  • @EngineeringVignettes
    @EngineeringVignettes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a suggestion, but, use the CNC machine to build aluminum parts for itself. For example, the end pieces that hold the horizontal V channel to the sides. Doing this should overcome more of the rotational movement about the X axis that the machine seems to suffer from. As aluminum parts go on that replace the plastic ones, the tolerances should get better.
    And yeah, definitely zero backlash ball screws for X and Y at least.
    Cheers,

    • @trevorjansen4102
      @trevorjansen4102 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, now that it's a little stiffer use it to cut parts that will further improve the machine. It's a kind of CNC evolution

  • @CraftedChannel
    @CraftedChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The diameter of the router produces overhang. Overhang is a lever arm to twist the top rail. Improvements would be rails front and back, smaller diameter router motor, steel rails, things like that. If I were designing, I'd make a 2 rail system with adjustable split bronze bush's over 1" diameter rods. Not expensive. Stiff. Everything not stiff sucketh.