Upgrading my Homemade CNC

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  • In this video I'll show the upgrades I made to the CNC mill i built in my previous video:
    • CNC Mill for under $100
    I upgraded to a 500W spindle and built an all-aluminum head assembly, widened the bed, increased the rigidity of the X axis with thicker rails,
    installed higher torque steppers on X and Z, and dramatically reduced backlash on all axes by using a double-nut arrangement on my leadscrew
    carriages.
    The machine is still far from perfect, but cutting aluminum is significantly easier now, and with some adjustments / tightening down / tuning, I
    think it will be able to reliably hold tolerances that are at least good enough for one-off hobby projects.
    Currently the most obvious weakness is flexibility in the Y axis due to using only 8mm rails.
    The board firmware is unchanged from the previous video. I'm still using an arduino Uno with GRBL firmware driving A4988 stepper controllers.
    Some links to relevant hardware:
    500W Spindle kit:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...
    92 oz-in Stepper Motors:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
    16x500 mm Linear Motion Shafts:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
    16mm Bore Linear Bearing Blocks:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
    Linear rail for Z axis:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08...
    500mm T8x8 Leadscrew:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08...
    150x70x9.5 Heatsink:
    www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08...
    Software used for CNC:
    Universal Gcode sender
    FreeCAD 0.18
    STL Files:
    www.thingiverse.com/thing:532...
    Feeds/Speeds
    RPM: 12,000
    Bit: 1/8" 2 Flute End Mill
    Horizontal Feed: Between 500 - 1500 mm/min
    Vertical Feed: 10 mm/min
    Stepdown/Cut Depth = 0.05mm
    Finishing Cut Depth = 0.01mm
    I found that for the same amount of volumetric removal rate, a higher horizontal speed with a smaller depth of cut gave better results because of
    reduced chatter/vibration. For example, 1500 mm/min at 0.05mm depth of cut was much smoother and had less chatter than 750 mm/min at 0.10 mm
    depth of cut. Unfortunately this does put all the work on the very tip of the end mill, but because this machine is pretty limited on
    power/rigidity, that's the only viable way to cut.
    Music Used:
    Eric Skiff - Underclocked
    Kevin MacLeod - Groove Groove
    Heatley Bros. - Luminare
    Serge Pavkin - Elevation

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  • @DoRC
    @DoRC 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    There is nothing more satisfying than watching a video from a few years ago on a channel you've never seen and then seeing there's a follow-up video available!

  • @tommontgomery2674
    @tommontgomery2674 2 ปีที่แล้ว +323

    1. Most CNC machines in the shop will use a filter on the air intake of the electronics to keep dirt and chips out. That should be an easy mod. 2. Use an air blower or preferably an air mister with coolant to blow away the chips to get a better finish. 3. Try to have the end mill stick out of the collet as short as possible to keep the tool from flexing... Awesome project!

    • @tbfanling2787
      @tbfanling2787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Could use second hand mask as air filter. But make sure disinfect it.

    • @HyperspacePirate
      @HyperspacePirate  2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Yeah eventually I'll probably set up a solenoid for compressed air + relay for a vacuum on a 555 timer to come on every so often for a second or two

    • @chineduobinwa1977
      @chineduobinwa1977 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HyperspacePirate Great job. How do I privately discuss with you?

    • @feixie4873
      @feixie4873 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can provide high-quality low-cost processing services. If you need mass production of this product, you can contact me, and the cost will save you 40% to 50%.

    • @tonywilson4713
      @tonywilson4713 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      You are on the right track with the box. I am a control systems engineer.
      This is my explanation to everyone.
      You need to make the air in the box slightly higher pressure than the outside.
      So you need your fan to suck through a fine filter and *PUSH* the clean air into the box or cabinet.
      You'll find many electrical devices have the fan on the outlet of the ventilation system. Go look at the PSU on most desk top PCSs. My PS4 does this and its something I like to slap a few Sony guys for.
      The problem is when the fan is at the air outlet its sucking air from inside the box/cabinet which reduces the air pressure inside the box/cabinet. It will then suck in dust from any and every place it can be sucked.

  • @ArcAiN6
    @ArcAiN6 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    If you aren't happy with the side wall surface finishes, you should create a roughing tool path leaving a few thou of excess stock on the walls, and a secondary "finishing" tool-path to clean them up.. you'll want to reduce the travel speed, full depth of cut minus about a thousandths so you don't mar up the floor finish (only applicable to parts with a floor to finish), and skim the edges to remove the excess stock you left in the first operation, as well as cleaning up, and leaving a uniform wall surface finish.
    It's common in CNC machining to create multiple operations like this. roughing passes care little about surface finish, it's all about removing material as fast as possible, and a secondary clean-up pass to remove the last bit of stock and leave an acceptable surface finish.
    Hope this was helpful :)

    • @en2oh
      @en2oh ปีที่แล้ว +3

      also, with aluminum especially, you might want to make sure you are using the right endmill and feed rates.

    • @ObservationofLimits
      @ObservationofLimits ปีที่แล้ว

      @@en2oh setting up an mql spray would probably also do wonders.

  • @68HC060
    @68HC060 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Really a good build-series. Even though you've used a few Chinese parts, your build is already much better than a chinese CNC.
    There are a few things I noticed ...
    1: Please don't use double sided tape for attaching the heatsinks; double-sided tape (especially foam-tape) insulates against heat and thus keep the heat inside the part you wish to cool down. Instead you can use DOW Corning 340 if you can mount the heatsink using bolts (DOW Corning 340 is not adhesive). Stepper motors do not need to be cooled; most people make the mistake that they think they should not get hot. Normal working temperature for a stepper motor is 60°C (which is: not boiling, but you do not want to touch the motor). If you can't mount the heatsinks using bolts, there are still a few adhesive heatsink compounds available (I know Arctic make some, but they're hard to get as they're epoxy based and are usually sold to companies in larger quantities). Epoxy-based heatsink compounds *can* be mixed with non-adhesive variants, to make it possible to remove the heatsink if necessary; you'll have to experiment with the mixing ratio, though.
    2: You could use double-sided tape for the parts you're milling. Stick the aluminum block onto the build-plate with double-sided tape, then keep the holding tabs (at 11:20) and let the CNC remove those gently as the last step - then you hav a part which is ready to use when the CNC is done.
    3: A4988 is a good stepper driver to test with; but try upgrading to TMC2209, they should make smoother movements, which will minimize the chatter and thus resulting in a smoother surface on the part. BiQu's TMC2209 v1.2 is currently the best driver (don't get fooled by other manufacturer's v2.0 or v2.2 or 3.x). IMPORTANT: Remember to disconnect all motors, then adjust vREF so it matches your motors and finally connect the motors. If you start by connecting the motors, you'll likely fry the TMC2209's MOSFET (like I did, because I forgot).
    4: Arduino is also a good and easy start, however, upgrading to a ARM Cortex-M4 board (recommend STM32F4-based), then you will get floating point calculations and 32-bit calculations at a much higher speed, which in the end means you'll be able to get the ability to calculate curves (bezierpaths) - again, this improves the quality of the workpiece.
    5: When I saw your first build, I was thinking that you could probably create your own spindle from good quality ball-bearings and a 10mm shaft; then power that spindle by the motor. Note: Roller-skate bearings are cheap and fairly good quality (I think they're actually 8mm, so you'd probably have to use an 8mm shaft).
    6: The 2020 aluminum profiles used for the frame have a circular center, where you can tap a thread; then drill a hole in the connecting piece for a bolt and tighten this to get better rigidity; keep the plastic, so you'll get as much rigidity as possible.
    About heatsink compound (10 years ago, I worked with this for living) - apply one drop-size heatsink compound per square-inch. Spread it evenly over the surface using a razor blade. It should be a layer thinner than a piece of paper. The job of the heatsink compound is to remove airgaps between the two surfaces and otherwise be "invisible". It should not insulate. Tighten the bolts holding the heatsink as much as possible (without breaking the threads of course).
    I know you'll probably not implement all my suggestions, but if you (or someone else) can use just one of them, then it's been worth writing it. =)

    • @brazenh2836
      @brazenh2836 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I believe the "double sided foam" he used are actually thermal pads: specifically designed for use in IT heat transfer. Otherwise your advice is solid😁👍...

    • @68HC060
      @68HC060 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@brazenh2836 - I wrote a reply, but it was lost due to YT's "hip-hopper features".
      Yes, the thermal pads can be used, but you really want to transfer as much heat into the heatsink as possible.
      -So if you're able to, go for a proper job with heatsink compound or adhesive heatsink compound if necessary.

  • @sevytech
    @sevytech 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With the update the machine seems to be more solid ! Great job and video to watch. Thanks

  • @SecondClassCitizen
    @SecondClassCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This is a godsend. I recently tore down a couple 3d printers I don't use anymore and wanted to convert them into a CNC machine exactly like this. I was just to lazy to design anything and am still a beginner with cad software. This is awesome.

  • @jackwitkowski7818
    @jackwitkowski7818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've watched the first part and it was a great idea cheap cnc for me. I knew, it was too weak a construction to cut metal, so I waited for the project upgrade. In fact, this time, and despite few changes, the machine is cool. I would like to have something similar on this level for myself. I am a layman in these matters, only for some time I started to be interested in CNC machining. I am waiting for more videos and projects showing the possibilities of your machine. Greetings from Poland.

  • @tamashamas6193
    @tamashamas6193 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your projects are incredible! They are the perfect mix of using minimal tools to maximise result with clever design.
    Thanks for the ideas, I am doing a similar project, the dual lead nut idea is genius.
    Thank you very much

  • @PiefacePete46
    @PiefacePete46 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I was right... I WAS RIGHT!!! The moment I saw you demonstrating the lack of rigidity in your previous video, I knew we were in for a treat when you addressed the problem.
    This is GREAT! You now have a tool that I am sure we will see get more refinement and tuning in the future... you have opened up a "Pandora's box" of possibilities, I will wait with bated breath.
    Many thanks, Liked and Subscribed.

  • @Adok24
    @Adok24 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came looking for this vid after watching the first one. Fascinating vid mate! Amazing job👍🏼

  • @samcorder408
    @samcorder408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Always a good day when you upload man. Super nice upgrade.

  • @albertogregory9678
    @albertogregory9678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Dang thats cool. Definitely consider an air assist, maybe look into one of those amazon electric air dusters, that could work and keep the size down. Maybe replace some of the plastic parts with exact aluminum replacements, to see if there are any immediate improvements in rigidity? Cool vid!

  • @homemadetools
    @homemadetools 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good work. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎

  • @KoGIch
    @KoGIch ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Все на высоте! И речь, и 3D печать и фрезеровка! Браво!

  • @MellexLabs
    @MellexLabs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bravo 👏... Really nicely done... on the web now looking for parts to start my own CNC journey.

  • @ferrumignis
    @ferrumignis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice job, shows what can be done with a bit of effort! Should use shims under one of the leadscrew nuts to adjust backlash and allow the mounting screws to be fully tightened without introducing excessive friction.

  • @inertproductionsalternate9114
    @inertproductionsalternate9114 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On the backlash. Their are backlash nuts that are designed to use a spring to push them apart and they are pretty cheap. The benefit is that since your causing more friction the nut will wear out faster and the spring ensures it stays in good contact despite wear.

  • @michaelsemenchuk3056
    @michaelsemenchuk3056 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just stumbled across this video today. Pretty impressive. Goes to show you, when there's a will, there's a way.
    Since you already have access to Aluminum and a way to cut it you can replace all the 3D printed gussets with Aluminum for more rigidity. Also, the whole back of the X gantry can be a slab of Aluminum and you can bolt linear rails to. OR, you can build a V2 and forego all TSlot entirely and use Linear Rails bolted to Aluminum slabs. Just ideas; I understand that $$$ doesn't grow on trees.

  • @jakelake8113
    @jakelake8113 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Dude you are awesome! You've presented us with a step by step DIY CNC all while keeping budget in mind! Thank you and your videos are my favorite :)

    • @feixie4873
      @feixie4873 ปีที่แล้ว

      @johnnytheprick I can provide high-quality low-cost processing services. If you need mass production of this product, you can contact me, and the cost will save you 40% to 50%.

    • @Techdiscussed
      @Techdiscussed ปีที่แล้ว

      Which one would you advise then?

  • @tonywilson4713
    @tonywilson4713 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *TO ALL THE WAY TO KEEP STUFF OUT OF AN ELECTRICAL BOX OR CABINET IS POSITIVE PRESSURE.*
    You need to make the air in the box slightly higher pressure than the outside.
    So you need your fan to suck through a fine filter and *PUSH* the clean air into the box or cabinet.
    You'll find many electrical devices have the fan on the outlet of the ventilation system. Go look at the PSU on most desk top PCSs. My PS4 does this and its something I like to slap a few Sony guys for.
    The problem is when the fan is at the air outlet its sucking air from inside the box/cabinet which reduces the air pressure inside the box/cabinet. It will then suck in dust from any and every place it can be sucked.

  • @naboulsikhalid7763
    @naboulsikhalid7763 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    elegant and convincing job.

  • @Ilumin2000
    @Ilumin2000 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such an idea for several episodes will surely be quite spectacular and popular. Diesel engine, from the injection pump and injectors to the whole old style engine.

  • @hoopa79
    @hoopa79 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Very nice build. Using a backlash nut instead of two individual nuts might make for a simpler mounting bracket, but the effect is essentially the same as what you've done here.

    • @Oliver_Atkinson
      @Oliver_Atkinson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you have experience with them?

  • @handleshtick
    @handleshtick 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very impressive! Great job!

  • @muhammadumairamjad3579
    @muhammadumairamjad3579 ปีที่แล้ว

    expecting that the next upgrade would be increasing its area for working and we love to see that.
    BTW this video deserve a subscribe

  • @ezradearius4617
    @ezradearius4617 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video..Design Engineer+CNC Programmer+Cnc Machining+mechanical/electric/electronics/Mechatronics assembly u can do everything lol..what a talent

  • @d.j.peters
    @d.j.peters 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for sharing, maybe you can use the PWM from Arduino and with a relay you can turn on/off the spindel and contol the speed from G-Code also.

  • @CoopGaming
    @CoopGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You sir definitely deserve my subscribe, keep up the good work

  • @jordig3412
    @jordig3412 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thx for sharing , great upgrade ;-)

  • @Jptoutant
    @Jptoutant 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I aspire to design and build this excellently

  • @alterstassfurter5743
    @alterstassfurter5743 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy....1st thougt ...He totally builds his cnc new...that's expansiv...but finally it works great...well done!

  • @subdynoman
    @subdynoman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing work 👏 appreciate your vids and efforts

    • @flat-earther
      @flat-earther 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hi sybdynoman, have you become a flat earther yet?

    • @subdynoman
      @subdynoman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @flat-earther sorry not in the slightest, I've been high enough in altitude to be convinced of a spherical earth...but in contrast I'm not convinced I'm living in just the 3rd dimension so there maybe some wiggle room there. What evidence do you have that can shift my understanding 🤔

    • @flat-earther
      @flat-earther 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@subdynoman okay. I suggest watching the 13 part series in my about tab to learn how the earth isn't a globe.

  • @miszcz310
    @miszcz310 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice. The only thing i could add to this is that you could try to use isopropanol or denatured alcohol as cutting fluid. This makes cutting and tapping aluminum muuuuuch easier.

  • @v02max75
    @v02max75 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey my man, great couple videos I watched. I watched the original build for this one as well.
    I'm glad that you upgraded your vertical supports. I thought they looked pretty weak on the original. Not weak, just not rigid. I felt the same way about the corner brackets on the base.
    If I can make a suggestion to you, it would be to get rid of all your 3-d printed parts. That's a great idea for a 3-d printer or light duty router, but I'm quite frankly surprised that it works as well as it does for your heavier duty milling. I would absolutely upgrade the 3-d parts to all aluminium to further enhance the rigidity. You may also want to try linear slide rails instead of the round ones, but that's less of an issue.
    Keep up the great work my man!!

  • @Shadobanned4life
    @Shadobanned4life ปีที่แล้ว

    Great experiment and vid ! Thanks !

  • @horgaszparkmajosliget4596
    @horgaszparkmajosliget4596 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a patient person.

  • @degreeless_engineering
    @degreeless_engineering 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Adding springs to the ball screw nuts can take up backlash as well, sick build!

    • @lepidoptera9337
      @lepidoptera9337 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Won't do you any good for machining metal. Just get a ballscrew. What are you saving $40 for? Beer?

  • @user-ig4mg7go1s
    @user-ig4mg7go1s ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done!

  • @yazmanireyeshernandez7888
    @yazmanireyeshernandez7888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Incredible project, I congratulate you, you have put a lot of effort into it and it turned out spectacular. Hopefully you could post more details or plans about the general measurements of the whole machine, to see if I can make one for myself. Congratulations.

  • @Terrestre1
    @Terrestre1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Very nice! I think your design choices are quite effective.
    The only thing I would recommend is to use a 10mm screw instead of 8mm

    • @ArcAiN6
      @ArcAiN6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't think a larger diameter lead screw would add any significant advantage. Perhaps swap from a trapezoidal lead screw to a ball lead screw would be beneficial in reducing friction and back lash, but that was already discussed.
      As he's not dealing with a large build volume, with vast spans of unsupported lead screw, there shouldn't be any problems. Due to the addition of linear bearing rod, and linear bearings, the only forces on the lead screw would be compression, and tension (pushing and pulling) along it's length. As he's not dealing with significantly strong materials, or exceptionally high torque motors here, those shouldn't be excessive enough in this situation to warrant a thicker lead screw in my opinion.... however.. if he's willing to spend the $$, by all means, go for it XD

  • @AnalogDude_
    @AnalogDude_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome, Now a 5 axis version.
    : )
    I also recently found downloaded Freecad, but not yet experimented with it.

  • @anthonypauldyke
    @anthonypauldyke ปีที่แล้ว

    Catia V5 serious piece of kit!!!!!!

  • @AppliedMathematician
    @AppliedMathematician 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That two lead screw approach is also what I came up with for a CNC machine design. Its simple, cheap and easy to repair ... but it will increase friction. However if you are milling metal a little extra force required should not matter!

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Instead of tightening the nuts together with nothing to constrain the compression, either shims should be used under one of the nuts, or the mounting holes should be slotted to allow it to be rotated. This way the backlash can be minimised without introducing excessive friction (and the resulting wear).

  • @curiousviewer5991
    @curiousviewer5991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice! As an add on would a blower hose that moves side to side on one side that blows towards a powerful vacuum with a broad intake on the other side help to blow off and collect the debris from what you are working on?

  • @BillsWorkbench
    @BillsWorkbench ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great! Thank you for sharing. I am getting ready to build a combat robot and looking for a CNC mill that will be affordable and hackable.

  • @antonio.stefanelli
    @antonio.stefanelli 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive, you have inspired me, thanks

  • @19mati67
    @19mati67 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A good machine has to be heavy. With a heavier machine you get better finish and precision. As said below try to keep everything as short as possible. Rigidity is the most important in a machine. You have to get rid of those chips while you machine, they can even break the tool. Try using a roughing end mill, to cut out most of the material and then finish it, with a finishing cutter.

  • @beautifulsmall
    @beautifulsmall ปีที่แล้ว

    FreeCad, great software. interesting build.

  • @Bobby.984
    @Bobby.984 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great upgrade i watched the first build and started to assemble the parts but now seeing this it looks much better great job 👍👍👍 do you maybe have the 3D files for printing for the upgrade ??

  • @chongwang
    @chongwang ปีที่แล้ว

    KSP beat drop, nice

  • @pranavramesh4888
    @pranavramesh4888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!

  •  ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool milling machine! envy =]

  • @SkateTube
    @SkateTube ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait so Your home is 3 km wide and has a cloathing cleaning facility? That's amazing. Good job.

  • @raymonschepers994
    @raymonschepers994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You’ve already got it in great detail…. I’ve read a decent amount of the reactions to your initial upload of this DIY build gem. And i did notice that you take the provided info very seriously and put everything to good use. The result of this build speaks for itself, and it turns out beautiful. You could use 1 or 2mm thick rubber mats for the protection against burs and sliced up loosen material from falling into the frame square/rectangular. By using lubricants to extend your tools lifetime, both wd40 and alcohol based solutions as well just water i warn you that these are all way too thin in viscosity and will have little effect on the purpose of the projective. Be aware that most of the different sort aluminum grades are manipulated in molten state by adding silicate and even harder stone-like materials that will destroy your tools and blunt them way faster than you would think. I mean, silicate is just beach sand. Try little more grease-like substances in small amounts while surface cutting and edge smoothening. Just don’t use grease while cutting inside slots because that will cause the phenomenon “re-chipping” and wear out your tool rapidly plus putting lots of heat in your material to the extent of destroying the tool and failing your end product measurement, looks in surface roughness.
    I cannot express how grateful I am having you provide me with this back to back build of a CNC-milling machine. Thanks isn’t somehow cutting it 😉

  • @jstro-hobbytech
    @jstro-hobbytech ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know alot about cnc but that looks cool. I'm currently building an mpcnc

  • @randysonnicksen9475
    @randysonnicksen9475 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was wondering if you're getting any backlash from the axial play in the stepper motor shaft? Or are you anchoring the lead screw with a low backlash bearing on the opposite end.

  • @Nandox7
    @Nandox7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice upgrade!
    Btw you can GET Wy cheaper ballscrews, got some for mine but been lazy to convert.
    Also another option is to get some nuts with anti-backlash builtin. I have some problem is they are a bigger.

  • @kisame_5331
    @kisame_5331 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quality content

  • @tbfanling2787
    @tbfanling2787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very impressive in vedio1 by using 3d print part to build a basic cnc aluminium upgrade. May be you can put some sprint between two nuts.

  • @noutram1000
    @noutram1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, great video thanks, I am thinking of getting a 3018 machine and this is really useful to know which bits are important to look out for.
    Do you think a 500W motor is enough for aluminium? I was looking at an 800W or 1500W water cooled model (noise level is important for me.) Also upgrading the servo motors. I have just built a new PC and dust filters are now included in the case -should be easy to add to your design.

  • @rasmus1600
    @rasmus1600 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you can get an Ø8 tolerence rod, you can balance the original fan for the motor. You could also just print a new one and balance that since the original isn't super effective.
    Just put the Ø8 rod through the fan and with some excess rod on both sides, you've essentially got a wheel balancer, just put 2 rods parallel with eachother on a very level surface and put the fan on those. If the fan rolls and stops, it's out of balance.
    I balanced my original 500W motor fan with a couple of very small bearing balls since it was WAY out of balance. Now when running the spindle at the lowest speed it runs very crooked but at 11k RPM there's absolutely no vibrations.

  • @1pcfred
    @1pcfred ปีที่แล้ว

    If you just make an oversized plastic nut it is naturally zero backlash. Plastic is elastic. Plastic is self lubricating too. Plastic is just another form of oil. You do have to sacrifice some lead screw to make a tap to tap your lead nuts. I found that I had to expand the thread a little or the nuts would be too tight. I just hit a few of the threads with a punch. That blew them out so they cut the threads wide enough. You're still going to get some flex with those unsupported round linear guide bars. Rounds just flex.

  • @Fine_i_set_the_handle
    @Fine_i_set_the_handle ปีที่แล้ว

    8:00 they sell 5 foot long (1500mm) version of these with the pillow blocks, leadscrew, screw nut, 2 linear rails, 4 linear blocks, and a stepper coupler for 150$ on amazon

  • @andreacasole904
    @andreacasole904 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent music by KSP❤😊

  • @useranonymous9274
    @useranonymous9274 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I had friends like you

  • @BrianBoniMakes
    @BrianBoniMakes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You have a lot of good ideas. Have you seen reduced backlash design that uses two acme nuts with a spring between them? It reduces friction without need for adjustment.

    • @trungnc5487
      @trungnc5487 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It reduce capability due to spring load.

  • @jameslmorehead
    @jameslmorehead ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Having run a cheap desktop CNC mill for many years myself, I would highly recommend using a single flute endmill. You get a much better finish, better clean-out, and lower overall load. Plus, if you are machining plastic rather than aluminum, your cut speed can be greatly increased. I did many many parts in type 2 PVC, UHMW, medium and light density polyethylene, and PTFE. Heck, some of your aluminum parts on this CNC can be re-machined in PVC for a more dimensionally accurate part.
    Also, you really need to put flexible couplers on the stepper motors. The threaded rod has a run out, even if it's very small. The flexible coupler will keep that run out from transferring into the stepper motor's bearings, thus increasing the stepper's life.

    • @PiefacePete46
      @PiefacePete46 ปีที่แล้ว

      @James M. : Do you have a preferred type of flexible coupler? I see people complaining of failure of the single-piece alloy versions with the helical slot cut in them. Are the three-part versions with a "+" shaped neoprene centre preferable? Thanks.

    • @jameslmorehead
      @jameslmorehead ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @John Colvin For small desktop mills, I've run the aluminum helical couplers for hundreds of hours. But, you do need to make sure there is no axial misalignment. They can take a degree or two of radial but will quickly fatigue with axial issues. The ones with the rubber spacer have the same problem. Only thing is they will break other things in the drive before they fail. Your best bet for the best coverage is an Oldham coupler with a single flex plate on one end. An Oldham coupler has two dovetail joints at right angles from each other. That way, they can slide to allow for axial misalignment. The flex plate will compensate for any radial misalignment. You could run a multi-section flex plate, but those are very pricey.

    • @PiefacePete46
      @PiefacePete46 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jameslmorehead : Thanks for that. I saw a simple arrangement I was thinking I might try: (the one I saw was using a cheap Chinese stepper that has the motor shaft and lead-screw all in one.) The stepper is connected to the ball-screw by a non-flexible coupling... the stepper itself is attached to a flexible plate, effectively working as a flexure. This allows some axial movement, but controls rotational and radial movement. There is no bearing at the driven end... axial forces are controlled by a thrust bearing at the non-driven end.
      Admittedly the machine I saw was a laser, so there was only minimal loads, but anything I tackle will only be small. It worked well, and was a tidy installation.
      (I must put Gurgle to work checking out the Oldham coupler! 😉 )

    • @jameslmorehead
      @jameslmorehead ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PiefacePete46 Also keep in mind, on the scale of small to medium desktop CNC equipment, a deep groove ball bearing can carry a surprising amount of axial load.
      I'd be weary of the lead screw and stepper motor combos. They have to skimp somewhere. Plus, you don't want the axial load going into the stepper motor. They have a spring inside to take up axial play, and these springs don't have much force to them. You can easily get a hard to trace inaccuracy from this type of issue.

    • @PiefacePete46
      @PiefacePete46 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jameslmorehead : Thanks, I appreciate it... I would be best to avoid trying unconventional solutions at the start... if it was that good everyone would be doing it! 😜

  • @shodanxx
    @shodanxx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Suggest you use Klipper, open source g-code to stepper driver with inputshaping capability
    plus put a magnet and a hall effect sensor for never skipping a step ever again and now you can run your steppers at full power without fear they will miss steps

  • @HaasMill
    @HaasMill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is interesting how were made first machine tools when there were no machine tools?
    An interesting topic to discuss

    • @chriskwakernaat2328
      @chriskwakernaat2328 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      first machines were built by hand , then improved version were built with those machines , and with those machines etc.

    • @HaasMill
      @HaasMill ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chriskwakernaat2328 I'm curious about how were made first rotary parts like spindles or shafts

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HaasMill They make cylindrical parts on lathes. Lathes have been around for thousands of years.

  • @jasonspink1981
    @jasonspink1981 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would wonder how much of that surface finish is due to the chips being stuck inside the cut path instead of being evacuated. Definitely not bad for a cnc made with 3D printed brackets 👍.

  • @hantienminh4856
    @hantienminh4856 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good machine

  • @guser210
    @guser210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Use alcohol instead of wd40 your endmills will last longer and you won’t have a messy work areas. Awesome video you put a lot of hours into this upgrade.

    • @Xziriz
      @Xziriz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Good for the endmills and the operator

    • @jesperwall839
      @jesperwall839 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes! Alcohol is the only coolant to be used for aluminum. Keeps the aluminum from gumming up.

    • @ArcAiN6
      @ArcAiN6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I don't advise using alcohol when dealing with CNC machining for several reasons
      1) While Alcohol will evaporate, and can dissipate some heat, at a certain point during the machining cycle, heat buildup will far exceed the minute benefits alcohol provides with concern to heat removal, at which time, it actually flashes off too fast, removing even less heat with it.
      2) Heat build up increases the speed at which alcohol evaporates, thus increasing the amount of alcohol vapor in the air. This is a fire hazard for very little benefit. This is particularly dangerous when dealing with unknown aluminum alloys, many of which contain zinc or magnesium.
      3) Alcohol function quite poorly as a lubricant. The viscosity is far too low, and it's high flash-off speed prevents it from being very effective.
      4) While alcohol may be cheaper than WD-40 by weight... It simply doesn't last very long, meaning you will use more and more of it as the part heats up during the machining cycle. This will end up being more expensive compared to using almost any other lubricant such as WD-40, or other such light machine oil based lubricants.
      WD-40 is not only a perfectly acceptable lubricant for Aluminum machining, it's also one of the most preferred methods by hobbyists and professionals world wide. Unless you're using a VMC or other such high-speed CNC center that uses exotic oil suspension coolants, WD-40 is the go to for soft / gummy materials such as aluminum and copper.
      that is for a few significant reasons:
      1) It acts as a lubricant, which aids in the machining process by reducing friction and heat.
      2) It acts as a release agent. If you've ever machined aluminum, you've probably run into a situation where chip evacuation issues, and heat lead to aluminum chips "sticking" to the flutes of the end mill. This is called "Chip-Weld" and is a major factor in reduced tool life, and surface finish problems.
      3) Because WD-40 has a high flash-off point, and high viscosity than water or alcohol, it tends to "stick" to parts and tools, maintain a layer of protection throughout the machining cycle, and reducing the amount needed over all, as reapplication is less frequent.

    • @tonywilson4713
      @tonywilson4713 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and no.
      On the right Aluminum most people will used WD40 but on other things Isopropyl Alcohol and other things stuff like Anchorlube or Trefolex.
      Stefan Gotteswinter has some good info on cutting fluids.

    • @etch3130
      @etch3130 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArcAiN6 Datron use denatured ethanol on the neo as a MQL so it seems its perfectly acceptable. Or atleast good enough for Datron.

  • @sjoerdvandereerden5676
    @sjoerdvandereerden5676 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi, awesome project.
    is it possible to use a belt driven assambly instead of lead screws. or do belt's have to much back lash.

  • @ayylmao.mp3
    @ayylmao.mp3 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:40 many setups use a spring between the nut and the frame.

  • @68HC060
    @68HC060 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually ... Earlier I wrote that you should keep the plastic parts.
    50 minutes later I return to write a correction to that suggestion. :)
    -I recommend that you replace the plastic parts used in the frame, by metal parts (aluminum should be fine). Eg. the triangles making up the corners are of interest.
    If you do this, it should make it much more stable / rigid - and reduce chatter even more.

  • @acomputerguy6158
    @acomputerguy6158 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the Kerbal Space Program music

  • @mcarmor3446
    @mcarmor3446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like you said before, it's hard to get good CNC under 100 buck, we must invest more to get better result

  • @antonioc7735
    @antonioc7735 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ciao, bellissimo lavoro, ti chiedevo il tipo di punte che hai usato per fresare l'alluminio. Grazie.

  • @jozefnovak7750
    @jozefnovak7750 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super! Thank you very much!

  • @EZ-HACK
    @EZ-HACK 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    screw slap can be repaid by clipping the spring

  • @reaper060670
    @reaper060670 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man.. I saw u took the Fan off the China spindle u got. I've bought one of them as well as a replacement for the Genmitsu GS-775 I bought. I've noticed a lotta chatter from it. I will use it for something else. The generic spindle from China has had good reviews but u never know what ur gonna git from that place. Thanks for the Free CAD bro. I will download it as soon as once I build my CNC..

  • @jafinch78
    @jafinch78 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How's the plastic holding up? Any plans to swap out the 3D printed plastic parts for self machined aluminum or other material?

  • @todotecno2
    @todotecno2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    bien bien me gusto mucho ahora me toca hacer el mío ye agradezco mucho el video

  • @sanjaybatra6593
    @sanjaybatra6593 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video...Sir please make a video on higher/improved performance CNC machine something like laser cutting.. I mean all the mechanical parts should be easily available in market and there shouldn't be no 3D parts ( not everyone can make 3d parts, so implementations by viewers will be tough without all parts).

  • @Bianchi77
    @Bianchi77 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, thanks :)

  • @agentfifteen
    @agentfifteen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great build! Would it be possible to mount a vacuum cleaner head right next to the mill for it to suck up all debris as it goes?

  • @godtsrobin8570
    @godtsrobin8570 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, Im building a similar machine, thanks to you. What did you use to power the shield and the drivers? If you used the 100DC Power supply from the spindle, how did you get to the 24V required? (for the shield) (assuming that the small buck convertor I saw in the electronic box is not enough). I would like to avoid using another 20V power supply, thanks in advance for your response

  • @jimlove904
    @jimlove904 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to buy one of these from you

  • @jj74qformerlyjailbreak3
    @jj74qformerlyjailbreak3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I have the old parts?
    👍 Nice Best DIY CNC on YT.

  • @rybread5718
    @rybread5718 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's some sexy shit dude! Upgrade again!!!

  • @Handlebrake2
    @Handlebrake2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol, didn't think I'd see you post in a while! There are so many channel projects where ppl abandon projects.
    Is there a price update?

  • @Psychedelic-Playground
    @Psychedelic-Playground ปีที่แล้ว

    dude ur awesome!!!!

  • @adamk5439
    @adamk5439 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a question about 6:17 screw - how is it working? Did you have that 3d print threaded? Is this type connection working solid enough? Or maybe there is something that i dont see?

  • @TheHayruss
    @TheHayruss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you think there is any benefit in using the linear guide rails and blocks used in the Z axis for the X and Y axis for improved rigidity? Cheers and thanks for sharing a great video.

    • @HyperspacePirate
      @HyperspacePirate  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The linear rails can be mounted to anything, so they'd definitely be more rigid than the rods if they were on a solid block of aluminum/cast iron etc

  • @arva1kes
    @arva1kes ปีที่แล้ว

    you can get ballscrews from china with 5-10x cheaper. yes they are not perfect, but with average luck far better than regular brass ones with a slop. I actually thought about idea on adding two to make it tight. good to see that someone implemented it and it works :)

  • @adamtrost5854
    @adamtrost5854 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congrats! Love this project! Keep going! I have already started designing mine as I feel a little bit limited with the 3D printer I have in my shop. What level of precision is this CNC capable of?

  • @flyin3d73
    @flyin3d73 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    looking good, 1 issue though. your heat sink on the spindle is now an insulator keeping in the heat. the double sided tape is insulation and will not let heat transferto the cooling fins. must be metal to metal contact to draw out the heat

    • @HyperspacePirate
      @HyperspacePirate  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's thermal tape, but yeah, the heat sink was totally useless. I just run a large fan next to the CNC to keep it cool now

    • @pass-123
      @pass-123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HyperspacePirate i recommend putting the heatsinks back on, but use a combination of thermal paste and thermal epoxy.
      Use thermal paste in the center of the heatsink, and thermal epoxy around the edges of the heatsink to seal in the thermal paste + secure the heatsink to the motor.
      Thermal paste generally has a much higher thermal conductivity than thermal epoxy.
      You could probably just use thermal paste + normal epoxy if you want to save money.
      This will do a much better job of keeping the motor cool.

  • @azbycxdw8471
    @azbycxdw8471 ปีที่แล้ว

    really nice, would be nice to have an estimatoin of total cost and time

  • @doughalversen7913
    @doughalversen7913 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have to put lock tight on some of those bracket or other pa

  • @DanT10
    @DanT10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I applaud this project but some of those parts look like they we gnawed into shape by a beaver. 😂

    • @HyperspacePirate
      @HyperspacePirate  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's one of the ways I keep the animals in my menagerie busy and fit

    • @DanT10
      @DanT10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HyperspacePirate It goes to show we place too high a regard to how things look rather than how they work.

    • @HyperspacePirate
      @HyperspacePirate  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DanT10 actually im just lazy