Hey, hey! Thanks for joining me my fellow Middle-Earthers. 🖖🏾 This was a particularly interesting stroll behind-the-scenes because I got a chance to see some of the scenes that were deleted from the theatrical release. Wow! Imagine my surprise to learn that there were sooo many wonderful scenes that had been deleted, and I've only seen 7 of them in the playlist so far. They even deleted the scene "Concerning Hobbits" and the scene where the elves are traveling through the forest looking all ethereal. Just watching the deleted scenes had my mind blowing a fuse lol. I must say y'all, watching these Appendices has been one of the best decisions I've ever made. :) I'll see you all again next week with some more snippets from our beloved documentary. Until then, Let's Flow! 🎬 #lotr #lotrfan #behindthescene
When you read the books you will note differences that were made for the film, however, such changes are often necessary due to the condensed nature of a film. J.R.R. Tolkien's writing is brilliant - he will challenge you with some words not used commonly today, his descriptions of nature as the journey goes on are always so in depth. You will sense the deeper lore found in his other works....The Silmarillion for example. You can enjoy both film and book for different reasons.
Oh my...it appears as if my journey through Middle Earth will never come to an end. I have the rest of the Lotr Appendices and The Hobbit Appendices to watch. I have to do my re-watch of the Lotr and The Hobbit with my newfound BTS awareness as commentary. I have to watch all of the fan-made extras, and listen to the phenomenal musical score. And of course, I must read all of the books. Whew! My inner world is becoming more and more enchanted as I continue to immerse myself in this realm. No wonder people are consumed with all things LotR. It will fill you with Light and Wonder if you allow it to. 🤩
You are so right! We long time fans of the books (fan is too mild a word) were going nuts. Every time a new trailer came out I watched it before school. Then I showed it to whatever students of mine were interested. Then, if someone missed it, I showed it to them again. (before school, lunch time, study hall, after school.)
"Fan is too mild a word..." I felt and can relate to all of that. :) Those trailers were stellar, even 20 years later, so I can only imagine what y'all felt. Often times, trailers can make a movie look like it's going to be so much better than it actually turns out to be. But let me tell you, as phenomenal as these trailers are, they in no way overpower the movie itself. I just can't get over how every single facet of this film making process is so outstanding, even from the Appendices to the trailers for goodness sake. What a miracle. 🙌🏾
Omg...What in the world?! I've only seen 7 of the deleted scenes, but it just seems so outrageous that so many people didn't get to see the full movie. Yet, the theatrical release is still considered a masterpiece without these scenes. Absolutely amazing!
The intro was the prologue and then after showing Bilbo with Galadriel later speaking over the sprawling mountains and forests to say Hobbits will shape the fortunes of all which transitioned to frodo sitting by the tree with 60 years later appearing on the screen. just on a factual basis The theatrical version was a butchering of PJs and team's work! to fit as many more viewing days for their own benefit. not the teams benefit or ours. the worked hard nonstop for this immortalized film trilogy with no rival in sight.
Yeah, there are a lot of deleted scenes that I still have yet to see. I can only imagine what was left for the theatrical release. I will always be grateful for the EE though.
The reason Concerning Hobbits was cut was because Peter Jackson decided at first against using The Prolouge and when that was scarpped, he was then going to have Concerning Hobbits as the prolouge instead. The producers at New Line demanded during post-production that a prolouge is needed to explain the backstory and because of this, Peter thought having two prolouges was too much so it was cut and held off for the Extended Edition, though some shots ended up in the movie such as when the hobbits put up the banner saying Happy Birthday Bilbo Baggins.
Peter Jackson wanted people to see the extended (uncut) versions in theatres, but Harvey Weinstein stopped him. In fact, Harvey wanted just ONE movie in the threatres, not a trilogy. 5 years of court proceedings - and the 'harvey weinstein orc" in return of the king (made at Jackson's specific direction) was the result. Too many people don’t realize they are arguing in favour of a version of this movies that was only shown in theatres because of legal reasons - not for artistic reasons. - Peter Jackson’s passion project team was forced to not show their full content as it would cut into what the cinema CEOs literally called the theatrical edition to get more screen time in and more mulla for themselves. It’s a such a nasty business. 80 percent true that money be the root of all evil. It’s the reason the real pumped out the EE as fast as possible in DVD format before the second and third film hit theatres to get back at Harvey Weinstein, again, they wanted people to see the whole movie which invites feelings of completion in one’s heart. But he just announced that’s he found 1300 hours worth of footage from a warehouse he finally got access to so we will see more specially made super extended edition cinema extravaganzas that no cinema would pass on the opportunity to ride on his coattails again. The EE wasn’t just for fans. He literally was adapting the books to film as honestly as possible. the DVD documentaries showed that they didn’t want to cut anything. And weaselled around things to create the EE. (EE is extended edition by the way! ❤️). Without the extended for the next two films I always say “Good luck missing the Boromir backstory. Good luck explaining why the cloak turns into a rock. Good luck explaining the elves that had explained their current situation since the first film. It all ties together good luck skipping the gift scene with Galadriel and Celeborn and the extra scenes between Aragorn and Celeborn & Galadriel to Aragorn!” It’s seriously needed for the film worldbuilding and heightening the stakes. Also, I’d rather have faith people have the emotional and intellectual IQ high enoug to understand it or shall we have changed the title to something else same as how JK was forced to change the title in America to sorcerers stone instead of PHILOSPHER as Americans don’t even know what a Philospher is anymore these days which is sad (done on purpose to dumb down a population). Relating to that: Tolkien was very sad about people losing connection to their past and heritage etc!
Yeah, I get why they had to cut out some scenes, I was just really surprised that the Concerning Hobbits was one of the deleted scenes. As you stated, it feels like a prologue, in my opinion, a much needed prologue. But I can see why they choose the other prologue instead. What a treat y'all had when the Extended Edition was released, because let me tell you, these deleted scenes are full of enriched and compelling storytelling.
@Makkaru112 Harvey Weinstein wasn't involved in the production after Peter Jackson went from Miramax and to New Line, so he didn't affect the final cut at all. Peter Jackson, his writers Fran Walsh and Philipa Boyens, the producers like Bob Shaye, Michael Lynne, Barrie Osborne etc. and the editors made opinions, discussions and decisions based on how they thought audiences would react to the movies. Jackson did have most of the time the final word and he was strove for the perfect movie possible. He considers the Theatrical versions the best versions and the extended editions, he did it for A. It was fun. B. He wanted to show those extra scenes for the fans of the books. He didn't use the term Director's Cut as that'd imply that he wasn't satisfied with the original result (which he was). So none of what you said holds any water.
Oh my goodness. You gave me a lot to think about in your comment. First of all, I had no idea that Harvey Weinstein had anything to do with the LotR, so that was definitely an eye-opener. It makes sense that the major studios would want to decrease the runtime of the theatrical release in order to increase their revenue from such a big production. But I agree with Peter, the EE is the true heart of LotR. I'm so glad that they released the full version as soon as they possibly could. I'm also glad that I listened to those who suggested I watch the EE as opposed to those who encouraged me to watch the theatrical release (yes, there were some). I can not imagine having watched it any other way. I still have quite a few deleted scenes to watch, so I'm sure my mind will continue to be blown with each new video.
The reason those Hobbiton scenes and others were cut was for the theatrical release, to get an extra showing in per day for more money. They were restored in the extended edition fortunately. 😁
Oooohhh. That makes sense. You can't get that many showings when the movie is 4 1/2 hours long lol But my goodness, just watching the deleted scenes is blowing my mind. I mean, what was left in the actual movie? I can't imagine not seeing all of these scenes that were deleted. Those who didn't watch the extended edition really missed out.
@@flowstatereactionsyeah, I don't even want to watch the theatrical versions any more 😂 As much as I love the movies, there were some changes and the extended editions which were very much not in line with the books and cause needless impossible travel times and did not help in any way to me. Specifically the changes to Elrond annoy me more over time as I think about them. Forcing Aragorn to disclaim Arwen? Not reforging the sword until Arwen makes him do it? Lying to Arwen about "lingering doubt" in the first place? To me this makes it nearly sabotage of Aragorn, taking away one of his biggest motivations and almost denying him the one physical object that proves his lineage and ability to be the King of Gondor. Denethor was made into an evil clown with no redeeming qualities and worse, for no explained reason. One dimensional. He was a noble man in the books and did much to help before Sauron drove him mad with despair. A quick 1-2 minute scene in the extended edition showing him wrestling with Sauron through the seeing stone would have helped fix the problem even with no other changes since we could know at least that Sauron was secretly influencing him. Trying to make the witch king appear more powerful than Gandalf was ridiculous and directly against the books. Gandalf was a magnitude of order higher in power and would have wiped the floor with the witch king and it would not have been close. It made Gandalf appear weak and devalued his death and return, it repeated the staff breaking scene, and then Eowyn basically one-shots him with an extremely ordinary sword. For what purpose? I can't see anything helpful and I just fast forward a few seconds between the initial confrontation and then the horn blowing and the witch king flies away. In the book the confrontation was at the front gate after Grond destroyed it but fast forwarding past Gandalf getting thrown from Shadowfax and the staff breaking right to the horn blowing stays true to the spirit of the book to me. Frodo sending Sam away..... -_- seemingly all for the point of having Sam show up for the dramatic confrontation with Shelob (when it wasn't even Sean Astin's arm in the film but PJ's) was again unnecessary. It made Frodo look bad, it made Sam look bad, and could have been easily avoided by following the book. This is probably the best adaptation we will ever get but it isn't extremely faithful to the books. The spirit of the writing...mostly but with some notable exceptions. Filmmakers don't really want to go exactly from the books no matter what they say. If they do then they get less credit since more credit would go to the original writer. The Rankin Bass adaptation of The Hobbit is the most book accurate actually.
Wow. You gave me a lot of book information to consider. I'm glad you mentioned the absurdity of the witch king being more powerful than Gandalf. And also, why was Eowyn the one who could take him down so easily, if he was so super powerful? I thought that was strange, but I just went with it. Lol...I don't know why, but when you mentioned that it was PJ's arm in the scene instead of Sean Astin's, I chuckled at the thought. I like knowing these little details about what actually happened during filming. And as you can see from my first reaction, I absolutely did not like the fact that Sam was ordered to leave Frodo behind. That was such an odd thing to do to me.
after rewatching the extended editions with the subtitles and all from the thing i showed you before and then do reaction video of theatrical of the trilogy with the premise of the title being to compare to the extended you previously watched in a more cleverly worded way of course haha. then we can relive it again with you and you get another chance to talk to us in real time when you see just what was missing from the original uncut edition that was never meant to be cut.
Well, watching the 7 deleted scenes kind of hurt my feelings lol I don't know if I'm going to actually be able to bring myself to watch the theatrical version after watching the rest of the deleted scenes in this playlist. But I have a lot of videos to watch between now and then, so maybe I'll be in a different frame of mind by then. We'll see. I may do it after I read the books and give my book reviews.
@@flowstatereactionsI really wonder what I was saying in this comment when I wrote it… sorry if it was confusing. My autism sometimes makes me write funny…
Lmao...a few people left similar comments on that particular video when I was confused about whether Gandalf died or not. Were you one of them? They said something like, "Yes, Gandalf the Grey is dead." LOL...y'all got me :)
@flowstatereactions Technically he did or rather his body died and when his spirit was sent back by Eru (the great god), he had a new body where old one was hence his change from The Grey to The White.
@@Nashalbeth In later writings Tolkien said that the Blue Wizards were vital in the resistance against Sauron in the East. They were sent in almost a special mission to go East and keep down the numbers of Men who would join Sauron's army. And they were indeed successful in this, and without the Blue Wizards efforts in the East, the armies of Gondor, Rohan, and the "resistance" led by Gandalf would have failed as Sauron's armies would have swelled and straight out over-whelmed them. There are also some less than kind writings about Radagast, who basically became lazy. He was a "good" person, by aiding Gandalf a few times, but with regards to his mission became lazy. And in truth, Gandalf actually knew more about birds and nature than Radagast, which was supposed to be Radagast's "specialty."
Storyboards are always used when planning out movies even simple drama or romantic comedies to plan out character positions, layout, camera angles, in which way camera is moving and have a rough idea of how the scene should be cut (though editing may change some of the cutting, even dialogue that turns out not work with the final product such as it is unnecessary or slow down the pace). Pre-viz are mostly used for scenes with big camera movements, action sequences or stuff that are too complex for just storyboards alone like shots with huge crowds or deals with digital creatures, so it's not necessary to use pre-viz for a simple dialogue scenes with two character sitting on a table or just walk down the street. In animation, like Toy Story or Frozen, it's a bit different as you have to have the perfect cut of the movie before you animate as it is time-consuming and not so easy to change in post like in live-action movies. Sure in big movies like this have animation in form of CG creatures like the cave troll or thr Balrog, or some shots are completely CG but even if a big budget fantasy movie have 10.000 digital shots, it's not the same as with completely animated films (or in some cases 98 % like WALL-E for instance).
Oh ok. That's good to know. I wasn't sure if the production team of LotR went far and beyond the normal movie making process or whether this sort of in-depth preparation is typical. Very interesting. On another note, thanks for reminding me of the existence of the adorable movie WALL-E. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed that movie. :)
It's amusing when you ask "how could they leave these scenes out!?". This is why I rename the extended version to "complete version", and the theatrical version to "amputated version" 😞 Similarly, it's also amusing that many reactors, who were persuaded to watch the extended version first, remark at the end that they can't think of any scenes which, if deleted, would make the film(s) better. Indeed, it's a shame they couldn't include a bit more from all the extra footage they shot. E.g., there's an extra scene, that could have been in the prologue, showing Sauron killing Gil-Galad (Elven King) just by grabbing his neck, because Sauron's flesh, although black, "burned like fire". (That's what Sauron was also intending to inflict on Isildur when you see Sauron reaching towards Isildur in the film, just before Isildur strikes at Sauron with the broken sword Narsil.) I still wish Peter Jackson & co-writers had not distorted Tolkien's original story, and some of the characters, quite so much... (sigh) E.g., if you ever get around to reading the books, there's an additional bit in the episode where Gollum (looking *very* emaciated and dehydrated) tries once more to attack Frodo & Sam on the slopes of Mount Doom, just outside the Chambers of Fire, and Gollum ends up pitifully crying in the dust and begging Sam to "let us live just a little longer...". Intense pathos indeed. I don't know why it wasn't included in the film.
Fpr the Hobbiton scenes, the theatrical version had a cut down version, less scenes of the hobbits, less discussion between Frodo and Gandalf. The Green Dragon scene wasn't in the theatrical version at all, or the wood elves. Less Frodo-centric, and they didn't want to introduce the elves just yet.
I see. Well, I'm going to be in for a major shock since the playlist has many other videos that were deleted from the theatrical version. I find it interesting that the theatrical version is still considered an epic masterpiece, even though it's missing so many "magical" moments from the extended edition.
@@flowstatereactions yeah, for me the extended editions are the best and only way but there are sadly some vicious arguments in the comments between the two factions every time a new LOTR reactor uploads no matter which version it is. 😕
Really? I loved the comparison clips. It showed just how much progress they made from the rough draft to the final production. Thanks for letting me know that something similar exists. I'll check it out when I can.
Yes I plan to. I never got a chance to form a group of like-minded folks around all things Tolkien all of those years ago. So now I'm using this channel to form online bonds with those few who are interested. The interactions that I've received so far are soooo supportive and enlightening. It's more than I could ever hope for, so even if only a few join me for my book reviews, it's still more than enough for me. :)
I've long been of the opinion that Fellowship of the Ring had the best trailers of all time. When Rush Hour 2 (also a New Line Cinema movie) came out on DVD, around the same time FotR came out in theaters... there was a hidden "Easter egg" feature on the DVDs, where if you clicked over to the right or left in the DVD's menus, a secret hidden button would appear. There were two of them. One played the Teaser Trailer that you watched at 7:46, and the other one played the Theatrical Trailer that you watched at 10:18. They had hidden them as a little surprise promo for Lord of the Rings. Both of those trailers are just masterpieces of editing, sound design, weaving the music into it, etc... I must have watched those two trailers like 100 times each on my home theater system that I had gotten for Christmas that year, just waiting for Fellowship to come out on DVD, which took 8 months until August 2002 (we had to wait in those days). Those trailers tided me over in the meantime. They may actually have been the original inspiration for how I edit the videos on my channel.
Omg...how clever and awesome of a promo is that? The fact that they included those "Easter Eggs" in the Rush Hour 2 DVD is just too good for words. Thanks for sharing that with me. It made me smile. :) Also, I agree. These trailers are the best I've ever seen, which says a lot. What's even more surprising is that the LotR trilogy actually overdelivers on the epic adventure that the outstanding trailers promise. What a fantastic production from beginning to end.
Hey, hey! Thanks for joining me my fellow Middle-Earthers. 🖖🏾 This was a particularly interesting stroll behind-the-scenes because I got a chance to see some of the scenes that were deleted from the theatrical release. Wow! Imagine my surprise to learn that there were sooo many wonderful scenes that had been deleted, and I've only seen 7 of them in the playlist so far. They even deleted the scene "Concerning Hobbits" and the scene where the elves are traveling through the forest looking all ethereal. Just watching the deleted scenes had my mind blowing a fuse lol. I must say y'all, watching these Appendices has been one of the best decisions I've ever made. :) I'll see you all again next week with some more snippets from our beloved documentary. Until then, Let's Flow! 🎬 #lotr #lotrfan #behindthescene
The chat with gandalf and frodo on the carriage was in the theatrical too but the extended included a few more minutes of dialogue.
The scene that was taken out was drunk bilbo bonding with frodo and hiding from sackville bagginses as well as the 'you've been productive'' line
When you read the books you will note differences that were made for the film, however, such changes are often necessary due to the condensed nature of a film. J.R.R. Tolkien's writing is brilliant - he will challenge you with some words not used commonly today, his descriptions of nature as the journey goes on are always so in depth. You will sense the deeper lore found in his other works....The Silmarillion for example. You can enjoy both film and book for different reasons.
Oh my...it appears as if my journey through Middle Earth will never come to an end. I have the rest of the Lotr Appendices and The Hobbit Appendices to watch. I have to do my re-watch of the Lotr and The Hobbit with my newfound BTS awareness as commentary. I have to watch all of the fan-made extras, and listen to the phenomenal musical score. And of course, I must read all of the books. Whew! My inner world is becoming more and more enchanted as I continue to immerse myself in this realm. No wonder people are consumed with all things LotR. It will fill you with Light and Wonder if you allow it to. 🤩
the second trailer is much nicer and doesn't give spoilers to newbies
You are so right! We long time fans of the books (fan is too mild a word) were going nuts. Every time a new trailer came out I watched it before school. Then I showed it to whatever students of mine were interested. Then, if someone missed it, I showed it to them again. (before school, lunch time, study hall, after school.)
"Fan is too mild a word..." I felt and can relate to all of that. :)
Those trailers were stellar, even 20 years later, so I can only imagine what y'all felt. Often times, trailers can make a movie look like it's going to be so much better than it actually turns out to be. But let me tell you, as phenomenal as these trailers are, they in no way overpower the movie itself. I just can't get over how every single facet of this film making process is so outstanding, even from the Appendices to the trailers for goodness sake. What a miracle. 🙌🏾
You can see now why some of us were so excited when the DVD with the extended edition came out. I haven't watched the theatrical cut since.
Omg...What in the world?! I've only seen 7 of the deleted scenes, but it just seems so outrageous that so many people didn't get to see the full movie. Yet, the theatrical release is still considered a masterpiece without these scenes. Absolutely amazing!
The intro was the prologue and then after showing Bilbo with Galadriel later speaking over the sprawling mountains and forests to say Hobbits will shape the fortunes of all which transitioned to frodo sitting by the tree with 60 years later appearing on the screen. just on a factual basis The theatrical version was a butchering of PJs and team's work! to fit as many more viewing days for their own benefit. not the teams benefit or ours. the worked hard nonstop for this immortalized film trilogy with no rival in sight.
Yeah, there are a lot of deleted scenes that I still have yet to see. I can only imagine what was left for the theatrical release. I will always be grateful for the EE though.
The reason Concerning Hobbits was cut was because Peter Jackson decided at first against using The Prolouge and when that was scarpped, he was then going to have Concerning Hobbits as the prolouge instead. The producers at New Line demanded during post-production that a prolouge is needed to explain the backstory and because of this, Peter thought having two prolouges was too much so it was cut and held off for the Extended Edition, though some shots ended up in the movie such as when the hobbits put up the banner saying Happy Birthday Bilbo Baggins.
Peter Jackson wanted people to see the extended (uncut) versions in theatres, but Harvey Weinstein stopped him. In fact, Harvey wanted just ONE movie in the threatres, not a trilogy. 5 years of court proceedings - and the 'harvey weinstein orc" in return of the king (made at Jackson's specific direction) was the result.
Too many people don’t realize they are arguing in favour of a version of this movies that was only shown in theatres because of legal reasons - not for artistic reasons.
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Peter Jackson’s passion project team was forced to not show their full content as it would cut into what the cinema CEOs literally called the theatrical edition to get more screen time in and more mulla for themselves. It’s a such a nasty business. 80 percent true that money be the root of all evil. It’s the reason the real pumped out the EE as fast as possible in DVD format before the second and third film hit theatres to get back at Harvey Weinstein, again, they wanted people to see the whole movie which invites feelings of completion in one’s heart.
But he just announced that’s he found 1300 hours worth of footage from a warehouse he finally got access to so we will see more specially made super extended edition cinema extravaganzas that no cinema would pass on the opportunity to ride on his coattails again.
The EE wasn’t just for fans. He literally was adapting the books to film as honestly as possible. the DVD documentaries showed that they didn’t want to cut anything. And weaselled around things to create the EE. (EE is extended edition by the way! ❤️).
Without the extended for the next two films I always say “Good luck missing the Boromir backstory. Good luck explaining why the cloak turns into a rock. Good luck explaining the elves that had explained their current situation since the first film.
It all ties together good luck skipping the gift scene with Galadriel and Celeborn and the extra scenes between Aragorn and Celeborn & Galadriel to Aragorn!”
It’s seriously needed for the film worldbuilding and heightening the stakes. Also, I’d rather have faith people have the emotional and intellectual IQ high enoug to understand it or shall we have changed the title to something else same as how JK was forced to change the title in America to sorcerers stone instead of PHILOSPHER as Americans don’t even know what a Philospher is anymore these days which is sad (done on purpose to dumb down a population). Relating to that: Tolkien was very sad about people losing connection to their past and heritage etc!
Yeah, I get why they had to cut out some scenes, I was just really surprised that the Concerning Hobbits was one of the deleted scenes. As you stated, it feels like a prologue, in my opinion, a much needed prologue. But I can see why they choose the other prologue instead.
What a treat y'all had when the Extended Edition was released, because let me tell you, these deleted scenes are full of enriched and compelling storytelling.
@Makkaru112 Harvey Weinstein wasn't involved in the production after Peter Jackson went from Miramax and to New Line, so he didn't affect the final cut at all. Peter Jackson, his writers Fran Walsh and Philipa Boyens, the producers like Bob Shaye, Michael Lynne, Barrie Osborne etc. and the editors made opinions, discussions and decisions based on how they thought audiences would react to the movies. Jackson did have most of the time the final word and he was strove for the perfect movie possible. He considers the Theatrical versions the best versions and the extended editions, he did it for A. It was fun. B. He wanted to show those extra scenes for the fans of the books. He didn't use the term Director's Cut as that'd imply that he wasn't satisfied with the original result (which he was). So none of what you said holds any water.
Oh my goodness. You gave me a lot to think about in your comment. First of all, I had no idea that Harvey Weinstein had anything to do with the LotR, so that was definitely an eye-opener.
It makes sense that the major studios would want to decrease the runtime of the theatrical release in order to increase their revenue from such a big production. But I agree with Peter, the EE is the true heart of LotR. I'm so glad that they released the full version as soon as they possibly could.
I'm also glad that I listened to those who suggested I watch the EE as opposed to those who encouraged me to watch the theatrical release (yes, there were some). I can not imagine having watched it any other way. I still have quite a few deleted scenes to watch, so I'm sure my mind will continue to be blown with each new video.
The reason those Hobbiton scenes and others were cut was for the theatrical release, to get an extra showing in per day for more money. They were restored in the extended edition fortunately. 😁
Oooohhh. That makes sense. You can't get that many showings when the movie is 4 1/2 hours long lol But my goodness, just watching the deleted scenes is blowing my mind. I mean, what was left in the actual movie? I can't imagine not seeing all of these scenes that were deleted. Those who didn't watch the extended edition really missed out.
@@flowstatereactionsyeah, I don't even want to watch the theatrical versions any more 😂
As much as I love the movies, there were some changes and the extended editions which were very much not in line with the books and cause needless impossible travel times and did not help in any way to me.
Specifically the changes to Elrond annoy me more over time as I think about them. Forcing Aragorn to disclaim Arwen? Not reforging the sword until Arwen makes him do it? Lying to Arwen about "lingering doubt" in the first place? To me this makes it nearly sabotage of Aragorn, taking away one of his biggest motivations and almost denying him the one physical object that proves his lineage and ability to be the King of Gondor.
Denethor was made into an evil clown with no redeeming qualities and worse, for no explained reason. One dimensional. He was a noble man in the books and did much to help before Sauron drove him mad with despair. A quick 1-2 minute scene in the extended edition showing him wrestling with Sauron through the seeing stone would have helped fix the problem even with no other changes since we could know at least that Sauron was secretly influencing him.
Trying to make the witch king appear more powerful than Gandalf was ridiculous and directly against the books. Gandalf was a magnitude of order higher in power and would have wiped the floor with the witch king and it would not have been close. It made Gandalf appear weak and devalued his death and return, it repeated the staff breaking scene, and then Eowyn basically one-shots him with an extremely ordinary sword. For what purpose? I can't see anything helpful and I just fast forward a few seconds between the initial confrontation and then the horn blowing and the witch king flies away. In the book the confrontation was at the front gate after Grond destroyed it but fast forwarding past Gandalf getting thrown from Shadowfax and the staff breaking right to the horn blowing stays true to the spirit of the book to me.
Frodo sending Sam away..... -_- seemingly all for the point of having Sam show up for the dramatic confrontation with Shelob (when it wasn't even Sean Astin's arm in the film but PJ's) was again unnecessary. It made Frodo look bad, it made Sam look bad, and could have been easily avoided by following the book.
This is probably the best adaptation we will ever get but it isn't extremely faithful to the books. The spirit of the writing...mostly but with some notable exceptions. Filmmakers don't really want to go exactly from the books no matter what they say. If they do then they get less credit since more credit would go to the original writer. The Rankin Bass adaptation of The Hobbit is the most book accurate actually.
Wow. You gave me a lot of book information to consider. I'm glad you mentioned the absurdity of the witch king being more powerful than Gandalf. And also, why was Eowyn the one who could take him down so easily, if he was so super powerful? I thought that was strange, but I just went with it.
Lol...I don't know why, but when you mentioned that it was PJ's arm in the scene instead of Sean Astin's, I chuckled at the thought. I like knowing these little details about what actually happened during filming. And as you can see from my first reaction, I absolutely did not like the fact that Sam was ordered to leave Frodo behind. That was such an odd thing to do to me.
after rewatching the extended editions with the subtitles and all from the thing i showed you before and then do reaction video of theatrical of the trilogy with the premise of the title being to compare to the extended you previously watched in a more cleverly worded way of course haha. then we can relive it again with you and you get another chance to talk to us in real time when you see just what was missing from the original uncut edition that was never meant to be cut.
Well, watching the 7 deleted scenes kind of hurt my feelings lol I don't know if I'm going to actually be able to bring myself to watch the theatrical version after watching the rest of the deleted scenes in this playlist. But I have a lot of videos to watch between now and then, so maybe I'll be in a different frame of mind by then. We'll see. I may do it after I read the books and give my book reviews.
@@flowstatereactionsI really wonder what I was saying in this comment when I wrote it… sorry if it was confusing. My autism sometimes makes me write funny…
Not all scenes where deleted, some were shortened down, such as taking out Frodo and Merry's lines about Strider is foul enough.
Well, Gandalf the Grey did die 😂
Lmao...a few people left similar comments on that particular video when I was confused about whether Gandalf died or not. Were you one of them? They said something like, "Yes, Gandalf the Grey is dead." LOL...y'all got me :)
@flowstatereactions Technically he did or rather his body died and when his spirit was sent back by Eru (the great god), he had a new body where old one was hence his change from The Grey to The White.
@@Nashalbeth In later writings Tolkien said that the Blue Wizards were vital in the resistance against Sauron in the East. They were sent in almost a special mission to go East and keep down the numbers of Men who would join Sauron's army. And they were indeed successful in this, and without the Blue Wizards efforts in the East, the armies of Gondor, Rohan, and the "resistance" led by Gandalf would have failed as Sauron's armies would have swelled and straight out over-whelmed them.
There are also some less than kind writings about Radagast, who basically became lazy. He was a "good" person, by aiding Gandalf a few times, but with regards to his mission became lazy. And in truth, Gandalf actually knew more about birds and nature than Radagast, which was supposed to be Radagast's "specialty."
Storyboards are always used when planning out movies even simple drama or romantic comedies to plan out character positions, layout, camera angles, in which way camera is moving and have a rough idea of how the scene should be cut (though editing may change some of the cutting, even dialogue that turns out not work with the final product such as it is unnecessary or slow down the pace). Pre-viz are mostly used for scenes with big camera movements, action sequences or stuff that are too complex for just storyboards alone like shots with huge crowds or deals with digital creatures, so it's not necessary to use pre-viz for a simple dialogue scenes with two character sitting on a table or just walk down the street. In animation, like Toy Story or Frozen, it's a bit different as you have to have the perfect cut of the movie before you animate as it is time-consuming and not so easy to change in post like in live-action movies. Sure in big movies like this have animation in form of CG creatures like the cave troll or thr Balrog, or some shots are completely CG but even if a big budget fantasy movie have 10.000 digital shots, it's not the same as with completely animated films (or in some cases 98 % like WALL-E for instance).
Oh ok. That's good to know. I wasn't sure if the production team of LotR went far and beyond the normal movie making process or whether this sort of in-depth preparation is typical. Very interesting.
On another note, thanks for reminding me of the existence of the adorable movie WALL-E. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed that movie. :)
It's amusing when you ask "how could they leave these scenes out!?". This is why I rename the extended version to "complete version", and the theatrical version to "amputated version" 😞
Similarly, it's also amusing that many reactors, who were persuaded to watch the extended version first, remark at the end that they can't think of any scenes which, if deleted, would make the film(s) better. Indeed, it's a shame they couldn't include a bit more from all the extra footage they shot. E.g., there's an extra scene, that could have been in the prologue, showing Sauron killing Gil-Galad (Elven King) just by grabbing his neck, because Sauron's flesh, although black, "burned like fire". (That's what Sauron was also intending to inflict on Isildur when you see Sauron reaching towards Isildur in the film, just before Isildur strikes at Sauron with the broken sword Narsil.)
I still wish Peter Jackson & co-writers had not distorted Tolkien's original story, and some of the characters, quite so much... (sigh) E.g., if you ever get around to reading the books, there's an additional bit in the episode where Gollum (looking *very* emaciated and dehydrated) tries once more to attack Frodo & Sam on the slopes of Mount Doom, just outside the Chambers of Fire, and Gollum ends up pitifully crying in the dust and begging Sam to "let us live just a little longer...". Intense pathos indeed. I don't know why it wasn't included in the film.
Lmao @ "amputated version" 😂 Oh yes, I'll be chuckling on the memory of your comment for a while. Thanks for that ;)
Fpr the Hobbiton scenes, the theatrical version had a cut down version, less scenes of the hobbits, less discussion between Frodo and Gandalf.
The Green Dragon scene wasn't in the theatrical version at all, or the wood elves. Less Frodo-centric, and they didn't want to introduce the elves just yet.
I see. Well, I'm going to be in for a major shock since the playlist has many other videos that were deleted from the theatrical version. I find it interesting that the theatrical version is still considered an epic masterpiece, even though it's missing so many "magical" moments from the extended edition.
@@flowstatereactions yeah, for me the extended editions are the best and only way but there are sadly some vicious arguments in the comments between the two factions every time a new LOTR reactor uploads no matter which version it is. 😕
I will be staying far away from those arguments lol The Extended Edition is the love of my life, period.
There is a video on TH-cam showing a side by side comparison of these movies with the Ralph Bakshi version and they are amazingly similar 😂
Really? I loved the comparison clips. It showed just how much progress they made from the rough draft to the final production. Thanks for letting me know that something similar exists. I'll check it out when I can.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Happy New Year Steave! 🥳
When you read the books, please report on those as well.
Yes I plan to. I never got a chance to form a group of like-minded folks around all things Tolkien all of those years ago. So now I'm using this channel to form online bonds with those few who are interested. The interactions that I've received so far are soooo supportive and enlightening. It's more than I could ever hope for, so even if only a few join me for my book reviews, it's still more than enough for me. :)
I've long been of the opinion that Fellowship of the Ring had the best trailers of all time. When Rush Hour 2 (also a New Line Cinema movie) came out on DVD, around the same time FotR came out in theaters... there was a hidden "Easter egg" feature on the DVDs, where if you clicked over to the right or left in the DVD's menus, a secret hidden button would appear. There were two of them. One played the Teaser Trailer that you watched at 7:46, and the other one played the Theatrical Trailer that you watched at 10:18. They had hidden them as a little surprise promo for Lord of the Rings.
Both of those trailers are just masterpieces of editing, sound design, weaving the music into it, etc... I must have watched those two trailers like 100 times each on my home theater system that I had gotten for Christmas that year, just waiting for Fellowship to come out on DVD, which took 8 months until August 2002 (we had to wait in those days). Those trailers tided me over in the meantime. They may actually have been the original inspiration for how I edit the videos on my channel.
Omg...how clever and awesome of a promo is that? The fact that they included those "Easter Eggs" in the Rush Hour 2 DVD is just too good for words. Thanks for sharing that with me. It made me smile. :)
Also, I agree. These trailers are the best I've ever seen, which says a lot. What's even more surprising is that the LotR trilogy actually overdelivers on the epic adventure that the outstanding trailers promise. What a fantastic production from beginning to end.