I had I putter fitting. I'm 6'3" tall with lower back problems from an early age, now 52. PGA tour superstore fitted me for a 31" putter. After only a few putts I could really feel my back hurting, so I stayed with a 35" and average 30 putts per round. Listen to your body, if your uncomfortable or in pain do not go with that length putter.
How the heck did they fit you for a 31 inch putter? Someone failed doing their job. That would be like you using a jr set of clubs. I’m 6ft 4 and 35 is the shortest I would consider
A 33.5" putter might be the perfect sweet spot for Dan. My opinion is that every company should be offering putter lengths in at least 0.5" increments rather than only 1".With the adjustable weights available in numerous putters on the market, this wouldn't even require keeping dozens of different weights of putter heads in stock to build them either.
Played a 34 inch for years and have switched to a 33 inch...i am only 5'7 so it seems to work better for me and feel more comfortable.....cheers all from Canada
I am an amateur weekend golfer, I have got 3 putters which are OG (34), XG(35) and Scotty 2.5 Newport special select(33) all blade putter. My height is 5’4” . At the start I found my XG a bit too long my elbow bend too much I couldn’t get over the ball properly so I cut my XG down to 33.5” after that I found much better but still my elbow bend a bit. Then I cut my OG down to 33” and change the grip to super stroke pistol number 2. My putting was much improve.. but..the middle insert seem to not good for me as my consistency not like golfers who play 3-4 days/week then I bought the scotty cameron newport 2.5 special select 33” milled no insert original standard pistol grip I found my putting much more better especially long putting … my arm hanging nicely my elbow feel relax more my eyes get over the ball.. shoulder and arms more tri-angle became one piece. So I would say if anyone’s posture is standard for putting.. the length of the putter it depends on how height and the length of you arm hanging down and how you stand on top of the ball while you putting. You can tell me if i am wrong for this comment.. cheers
I bought a 35 inch putter very recently. I went for the Odyssey Stroke Lab V Line and tried both 34 and 35. As a 6 foot 3 guy the 35 just seemed to sit well in my hands for stroke. I wasn’t able to use SAM and did just go on feel. Although I definitely don’t hit it out the middle consistently I have noticed a positive difference with my putting. Great video Dan 👍
I was told 10 years ago that the standard off the shelf putter length of 34” is too long for most people. I was fitted into 33” and have used it ever since and I’m 6’ 2”. The number of people I see putting with their bottom hand on the shaft and a lot of grip above their hands only goes to prove this theory is correct. I’ve tried 34” putters since and they just feel far too long. At the end of the day Dan it comes down to feel and comfort like you say. I do get a sight niggle in my lower back occasionally when practising putting for an extended period but as you only putt intermittently in a round I don’t find it a problem. 👍
Had my first putter fitting earlier this year. Had similar lower back issues with a 34", and 35" just did not feel right. In the end, was fitted with a putter length of 34.5", and went from a blade to a mini mallet. End results, took a little while to get use to the mallet, but during a recent practice session, made 17 five footers in a row. Including the session yesterday, being fitted has improved in reducing number of stokes per round as well as eliminating those dreaded 3 putts. For my money, I think being fitted for a putter is a better ROI (return on investment) than a driver. With all of that being said, perhaps you should look at a length somewhere between the 33 & 34. As always, great content ! :)
I agree with you in general and regarding putter length I move my hands down the shaft for short putts and up for longer putts. I really like a blade putter.
Long ago I played golf with a guy whose arms were very long, he used a 33 inch putter very well. I thought it was crazy to use that short of putter until I seen him scratch his knee while standing up straight, that is a slight embellishment but not by much. Putting is just another crazy part of this crazy game we all love. Good video guys, thanks.
Comfort is EVERYTHING. You have to love your putter - not dread it! The fitting advice is for beginners, but if you’ve been playing for years - then get a putter that fits your eye and excites you to use. I’d advise trying out the adjustable pings for yourself and on your own - not while being watched and pressured by a pro. YOU can then decide what length is best for YOU. Human nature makes us change our ‘normal’ to impress or please the teacher. Putting isn’t like the rest of golf - it’s a completely different game.
Great video Dan, I was tested on the SAM putting lab in Finland last year and it revealed several things that you did not mention, particularly about the type of putter that best suited my putting stroke and also the loft on the putter, I had the loft reduced by 1 Deg and saw an immediate better strike position on the putter face, the roll of the ball of the face was also much better. Keep up the great work😀😀😀
Dan, I think most would agree that if you used the same tool for 10+ years you would become very proficient and comfortable with it. I would bet if you had used a 33” or 31” for the same period, this test would have proved it was the best for you in such a short test period..
Very interesting analysis. I use a long putter due to old back injuries so I can stand up straighter. Been putting that way for about 20 years and am used to it now. Would be interesting to see Lester get fitted too. 👍
Never had a fitting for a putter. Very similar to your comment about going by feel of the putter. Concentration on tempo and pressure on the grip is key for good strike.
I bought a second hand face balanced Yes putter yesterday, it was £43 and cheapest in the "emporium" went out for an hour of putting on various greens in the rain last night. Initial impressions great but I've lengthened it by adding a spacer to the shaft and regripped overnight. Looking forward to Saturday's comp. I've got a good feeling 🏌️
Once you determine the length, it would be interesting to see how a blade would do versus a mallet. Also when James talks about the back issue, which I notice with me at times, how he would adjust length to help alleviate that. I've been considering a putter fitting in this off season so these putter fitting videos have been very informative. I had gone to a longer putter thinking it would help me judging longer putts. I am notorious with 3 putting. But then I notice more off center strikes.
When trying putters of different lengths, you have to consider your putting history. It's no surprise that Dan's most consistent putting was with the 34" putter -- he's been using it forever and his body and his putting technique has adapted to that. But the data suggests that the 33" might be a better fit for his frame. He needs to spend some time to see if he can become more comfortable with it. Then he might regain his consistency, but with a better strike position on the face.
Should have fit you to a 33.5 inch putter. The 2 pct difference between the 34 and 33 would most likely disappear once you became accustomed to the 1/2 inch less in length because your numbers actually show the 33 had the best potential.
Great work guys. I now play a 34 1/2, just feels so good. The other key note that so many people forget is the lie angle. See the way yours changed as you changed putters. Love you ideas for content Dan, keep up the great work and stay safe
Funny thing is, I have always felt I am somewhere between 33 and 34 myself - and when I bought my most recent putter, there were two 34s to choose from, but one was very slightly shorter and that is the one I went with because performance wise, it was just so much easier to sink putts with.
Hi Dan just had a Capto putter fitting with my golf coach dropped 4+ putts per round , just picked my new Scotty Cameron Newport squareback 2 putter up yesterday 1st round tomorrow, only chose the squareback because of the fitting would highly recommend a fitting 🏌🏻♂️
A recent trend for professionals is to get the putter 1 to 1.5 " longer and choking up an inch or so. Choking up really works just like if you choke up on chip shots it is much easier to control the face. I find a big difference holding the putter right at the end...not as stable or controllable or repeatable with face angle. Victor Hovland is the poster boy for this trend with a 36" putter and choking up an inch he says.
Good VDO, Dan. I always believe that the consistency is the key but now the accuracy. As you get closer to the ground, 32 or 31 inches, the better accuracy can be expected, I think. If I were you, will keep the 34" and choke down a little bit for every crucial putts.
I think eye position I important too, regarding how you see the putt start line at address. If my eyes get over the ball I can’t see the line, a ball inside and I putt well. I’d love to see more of this type of vid. Really interesting stuff. 👍
33.5" 1* Flat and add some loft. There is some fun analysis that you skipped over. ( I don't blame you, as you can get into the weeds quickly ). However, this looks like you may: 1. Hit down on your putter 2. have a LOT of forward shaft lean 3. a combination of the 2 4. Your stroke pivot point may be very forward. All causing the very high putter face strike locations. Would love to discuss it more
I watched a Scotty Cameron video that talked about this too. I’m surprised the your toe angle went up with the shorter putter. That lie angle is a key piece though. If you are toe up, the loft will change your aim left, toe Down, to the right. It’s only a little, but could be a big difference on long putts, or just be taking away a small percentage of putts that you actually hit well. I tried a couple of 35in putters yesterday and noticed a toe up/ left tendency right away, as long as my eyes were lined up over the ball. Sounds like you need a 33.5in putter. Thanks for the video.
Dan excellent video as always. Putting is a game within a game and you must devote, with the right equipment in your hands, to this very important part of the game. Great bit of equipment you have to measure where strike was on the putter face.
Not had a putter fitting, but would like to. You seem to have all the right stuff for all types of fiitings, maybe a holiday in Torquay and book in for some lessons and fittings for me on a future agenda
Putters rarely have the cg in the middle. The shaft weight moves it towards the heel so Dan might strike it in the sweespot which is more towards the heel.
I had a fit on the Quintic system, I'd previously always played a 33" putter. However, got fitted for a 32 & an Evnroll putter which has markedly improved my putting. Wish I'd done it years ago. Would never buy off the shelf again.
I’ve never been fitted for a putter I’ve always gone with feel and I have to say I’ve certainly thought more about it but again I think it’s about finding the right fitter to do this
It would be nice if shops had more than 35" putters seems that's pretty much it in smaller towns tough to try different items when all you can choose is 35"
Dan the Man wonderful video now I understand more why I feel more consistent and comfortable with my 34 inch putter, brilliant keep up the good work I guess I am chopping my 35 inch down to 34 inch length
Great vid, thank you. It really made me realise that I need a putter fitting. It's the only club in the bag that hasn't been fit properly. Now you know 34 inch is the best for you, how about a vid to show the results of a blade, versus a mallet etc?
I am an amateur weekend golfer, I have got 3 putters which are OG (34), XG(35) and Scotty 2.5 Newport special select(33) all blade putter. My height is 5’4” . At the start I found my XG a bit too long my elbow bend too much I couldn’t get over the ball properly so I cut my XG down to 33.5” after that I found much better but still my elbow bend a bit. Then I cut my OG down to 33” and change the grip to super stroke pistol number 2. My putting was much improve.. but..the middle insert seem to not good for me as my consistency not like golfers who play 3-4 days/week then I bought the scotty cameron newport 2.5 special select 33” milled no insert original standard pistol grip I found my putting much more better especially long putting … my arm hanging nicely my elbow feel relax more my eyes get over the ball.. shoulder and arms more tri-angle became one piece. So I would say if anyone’s posture is standard for putting.. the length of the putter it depends on how height and the length of you arm hanging down and how you stand on top of the ball while you putting. You can tell me if i am wrong for this comment.. cheers
Played everything from 33-35” putters, toe hang and face balanced. More recently moved from 35” spider after a Sam putt lab fitting and landed with 34” Phantom X 8.5, slight toe hang. Seems to be working.....
I agree with some of the comments below. Would have been good to see a full fit to find the perfect length to show the whole process. I was fitted for 33" 8 years ago. Being fitted improved my putting dramatically as you end up in a much better/consistent hitting position. Also, any chance of Lester doing some carry bag reviews? Thinking of the Titleist Hybrid 5, something light to carry and cart. And maybe the Garmin S62..😊
Interesting. Many Years ago I went 1 inch longer (I'm 191cm tall) and realised I actually didn't putt as well as I did with the shorter putter. So back to standard I went. Also interesting that when I tried a shortened putter belonging to a mate, I pretty much immediately felt it in my lower back after just 10 balls. So thanks Dan.
How about trying 33.5" or 33.75"? It seems like you might be in between 33" and 34". Also if you go shorter let your arms hang a little more so you don't have to bend over more. I've been experimenting with my 34" putter and if I choke down a 1/2 inch, my arms hang a bit more, it gets me on top of the ball a bit more and it seems that it's a bit easier to start putts on the correct line. At this point the small tweaks could help you find the best combination between the best strike with no back strain.
Been through the SAM process a couple of times with different styles of putters and it's a good experience and interesting. But IMO touch and feel on the greens is the most important part of putting and that's something I certainly do not have. 🤣
Amazing video, was not aware of the SAM Put Lab. I was going to buy a new putter today and had decided on the Callaway Ten but now I am going to call around and get fitted. Thank you!
reading the comments there are so many people using what I consider short putters. I'm only 6foot tall, so not super tall by any means, but when I was using a 35" putter I would have the feelings you were getting with the 33", and it really felt like my body was bent over like Michelle Wie. Not good for my back. I now use a 38" putter, and never putted better.
@@daniel_haack awesome mate, you Aussies are also taller on average than us Brits. I said Dutch as they are known to be a tall nation in Europe. Would love to play some golf down under. All the best brother
Back problems aside. Surely the smaller the putter i.e. a 33 over a 34 would also provide greater accuracy as you are closer to the ball and have greater control, right?
What about lengths in between - 34.5” etc. curious what the numbers should show if you were to split the difference between 33 and 34” given consistency was good in one but centered strike was better in the other.
Good stuff Dan! Looks very similar to my putter fitting experience. I ended up at 34” to bring my strike down and added loft to counter my forward press. Noticeable improvement in consistency of roll!
Hi Dan, after my putting win on Sunday evening I am going to get a new putter but fitted for me, especially after putting poorly for years. Big oggie has just uploaded 2 x 1hr fitting vlogs with Andy Gorman in Sutton Coldfield and the detail and information is great. Also found your vlog of a year ago which is also superb. That putting competition hould cost me about £400 😭😭 but hopefully will be putting better afterwards. I think the win was meant to be. Have you heard of Precision golf in West Byfleet, Surrey? Thinking of seeing them or Andy Gorman unless there's someone else you could recommend for me.
DAN ive been playing golf for 40 years and in my opinion all putters are to long unless you are six foot plus tall my advice to anyone taking up golf is buy a putter and a new grip take it home and shorten the putter and put the new grip on it is very easy to do it will transform your game
Just having the data on strike location gives you the knowledge you need to adjust set up with the 34. Maybe just literally set up with the ball looking further toward the toe, then go from there.
Had a putter fitting with James before the lockdown. Ended up with a Scotty Phantom X 35 inches in length and my putting has improved, taking a good 5 to 6 shots of a round on putting alone, well worth it .
Hi,great video. I had all intention of having a new putter.was put on a Sam and told I was tour average and was just advised more on swing and stance.which is reassuring to know. Could you have had the lie adjusted ,and could you next time show more to do with swing paths and angles please . Would
Very interesting, changing between style of putter as well as length would have been equally as interesting. My close friends son is an England junior and changing his spider x from 30 degree toe hang to face balanced made a huge difference on SAM, at his level of golf it's critical not so sure for myself being a 12 handicapper.
Found that really interesting. I was fitted using Sam Putt Lab early last year. The device was only fitted to my own putter. Which surprised me. And not to the putter I eventually bought. I didn't understand the process, and I guess this may not have been the correct way to fit a putter!
Good stuff, Dan. Considering how much putting affects score, you'd think all serious golfers would have been properly fitted for their putter. And you'd be wrong, lol. I keep saying I'll do it...
American golf for your putter fitting. They’ve got equipment in there worth £50k that is the most accurate way of fitting your putter. Most PGA Golf fitters don’t have this equipment because it’s so expensive. I got my putter fitted at American golf which was completely the opposite to what my pga pro golf fitter fitted me for.
Hi Dan I bought a Ping Sigma 2 last year but it’s only since the lockdown that I played around with the length and ended up going down to 32.5. I got a back issue when I first started to practice but I seem to have got use to it now.
Hey Dan - great video. Out of curiosity, how tall are you? I think that might help in providing context to see where others might measure up in figuring out their putter lengths as well. Thanks!
Choosing putter grips is even harder as if not fitted to a putter are hard to test. Moving from the pistol grip to a straighter style must also change lie angle. How do we amateurs choose?
What about putter loft? Listened to a Tiger putting clip the other day and he was saying he tries to feel he is hitting up on the ball. Ball position slightly forward of centre. This is an area of the game we need more insight into for sure (to be sure) 😁
Am I missing something? How tall are you dude? I am writing this half way into this video but I have heard nothing about how tall you are. Are you. 5'6? Are you 6'2? Does your height have nothing to do with your putter length?
I talked to several PGA coaches and a agree that what is comfortable is best. Having said that you are clearly comfortable with the 34 inch. I am curious to know your height Dan, as it has some relevance overall with your biomechanics. Personally I am very comfortable with a 32 inch putter and for an amateur I rarely 3 putt and about 80% between 4 and 5 feet, and I am 5-10 tall.
Was fit into a 34.25/3/70 by Scotty years ago and have never had a different length since then. Recently upgrade my T22 Newport with the Stability Shaft Tour and have been putting lights out. Not sure if its honeymoon or what...
I can’t see what difference it would make if you take the same posture all the time and allow your hands to rise and fall. I do this all the time especially when on sloping ground. Furthermore I vary the strike point on the face on purpose especially when confronted with a slippy downhill putt where I lighten my grip and hit off the toe. A putter is like any other club you don’t have to have your hands in the same place you can go up and down to finesse a wedge shot for example. By the same token the face of your wedge my be opened or hooded?
With the smaller one could it not just be that the back issue is more because of it feeling different rather than actually being a problem. So would you get used to it in time? It may then give better figures perhaps?
So, is it best to be very consistent with a 'not ideal' strike position, or slightly less consistent with an ideal strike location? 🤔 Just a thought, why not try the 33" putter with a slightly wider stance so you keep your spine in its current posture and you give yourself a potentially 'firmer' base as a consequence...🙂👍🙏⛳️🏌️🍻
Let's have more of James, Dan. Absolute natural in front of the camera and very clear and confident in his message.
I had I putter fitting. I'm 6'3" tall with lower back problems from an early age, now 52. PGA tour superstore fitted me for a 31" putter. After only a few putts I could really feel my back hurting, so I stayed with a 35" and average 30 putts per round. Listen to your body, if your uncomfortable or in pain do not go with that length putter.
Good lord I can barely handle 35” at 5’11” can just imagine how much low back pain you must’ve been feelin.
How the heck did they fit you for a 31 inch putter? Someone failed doing their job. That would be like you using a jr set of clubs. I’m 6ft 4 and 35 is the shortest I would consider
You clearly will not settle for anything but the highest quality guest talent on your channel.
A 33.5" putter might be the perfect sweet spot for Dan. My opinion is that every company should be offering putter lengths in at least 0.5" increments rather than only 1".With the adjustable weights available in numerous putters on the market, this wouldn't even require keeping dozens of different weights of putter heads in stock to build them either.
Played a 34 inch for years and have switched to a 33 inch...i am only 5'7 so it seems to work better for me and feel more comfortable.....cheers all from Canada
I am an amateur weekend golfer, I have got 3 putters which are OG (34), XG(35) and Scotty 2.5 Newport special select(33) all blade putter. My height is 5’4” . At the start I found my XG a bit too long my elbow bend too much I couldn’t get over the ball properly so I cut my XG down to 33.5” after that I found much better but still my elbow bend a bit. Then I cut my OG down to 33” and change the grip to super stroke pistol number 2. My putting was much improve.. but..the middle insert seem to not good for me as my consistency not like golfers who play 3-4 days/week then I bought the scotty cameron newport 2.5 special select 33” milled no insert original standard pistol grip I found my putting much more better especially long putting … my arm hanging nicely my elbow feel relax more my eyes get over the ball.. shoulder and arms more tri-angle became one piece. So I would say if anyone’s posture is standard for putting.. the length of the putter it depends on how height and the length of you arm hanging down and how you stand on top of the ball while you putting. You can tell me if i am wrong for this comment.. cheers
I'd have given you a 33.5" or a 33.75" putter. There's bound to be that sweet spot. 👍⛳
I was about to say the same.
He can adjust his hand grip location?
@@v205 why add another variable, golf has enough variables.
I feel putter fitting is not widely advertised and therefore not widely used, Enjoyable to watch and to learn from.
I bought a 35 inch putter very recently. I went for the Odyssey Stroke Lab V Line and tried both 34 and 35. As a 6 foot 3 guy the 35 just seemed to sit well in my hands for stroke. I wasn’t able to use SAM and did just go on feel. Although I definitely don’t hit it out the middle consistently I have noticed a positive difference with my putting. Great video Dan 👍
I was told 10 years ago that the standard off the shelf putter length of 34” is too long for most people. I was fitted into 33” and have used it ever since and I’m 6’ 2”.
The number of people I see putting with their bottom hand on the shaft and a lot of grip above their hands only goes to prove this theory is correct.
I’ve tried 34” putters since and they just feel far too long. At the end of the day Dan it comes down to feel and comfort like you say. I do get a sight niggle in my lower back occasionally when practising putting for an extended period but as you only putt intermittently in a round I don’t find it a problem. 👍
David Salmon standard putter lengths has been 35” for a long time.
Had my first putter fitting earlier this year. Had similar lower back issues with a 34", and 35" just did not feel right. In the end, was fitted with a putter length of 34.5", and went from a blade to a mini mallet. End results, took a little while to get use to the mallet, but during a recent practice session, made 17 five footers in a row. Including the session yesterday, being fitted has improved in reducing number of stokes per round as well as eliminating those dreaded 3 putts. For my money, I think being fitted for a putter is a better ROI (return on investment) than a driver. With all of that being said, perhaps you should look at a length somewhere between the 33 & 34. As always, great content ! :)
I agree with you in general and regarding putter length I move my hands down the shaft for short putts and up for longer putts. I really like a blade putter.
How tall are you Gar?
Long ago I played golf with a guy whose arms were very long, he used a 33 inch putter very well. I thought it was crazy to use that short of putter until I seen him scratch his knee while standing up straight, that is a slight embellishment but not by much. Putting is just another crazy part of this crazy game we all love. Good video guys, thanks.
Comfort is EVERYTHING. You have to love your putter - not dread it! The fitting advice is for beginners, but if you’ve been playing for years - then get a putter that fits your eye and excites you to use.
I’d advise trying out the adjustable pings for yourself and on your own - not while being watched and pressured by a pro. YOU can then decide what length is best for YOU.
Human nature makes us change our ‘normal’ to impress or please the teacher. Putting isn’t like the rest of golf - it’s a completely different game.
Great video Dan, I was tested on the SAM putting lab in Finland last year and it revealed several things that you did not mention, particularly about the type of putter that best suited my putting stroke and also the loft on the putter, I had the loft reduced by 1 Deg and saw an immediate better strike position on the putter face, the roll of the ball of the face was also much better. Keep up the great work😀😀😀
Dan, I think most would agree that if you used the same tool for 10+ years you would become very proficient and comfortable with it. I would bet if you had used a 33” or 31” for the same period, this test would have proved it was the best for you in such a short test period..
Very interesting analysis. I use a long putter due to old back injuries so I can stand up straighter. Been putting that way for about 20 years and am used to it now. Would be interesting to see Lester get fitted too. 👍
Wow in-depth information. Not for novice golfers or high handicappers
Never had a fitting for a putter. Very similar to your comment about going by feel of the putter. Concentration on tempo and pressure on the grip is key for good strike.
I bought a second hand face balanced Yes putter yesterday, it was £43 and cheapest in the "emporium" went out for an hour of putting on various greens in the rain last night. Initial impressions great but I've lengthened it by adding a spacer to the shaft and regripped overnight.
Looking forward to Saturday's comp. I've got a good feeling 🏌️
Once you determine the length, it would be interesting to see how a blade would do versus a mallet. Also when James talks about the back issue, which I notice with me at times, how he would adjust length to help alleviate that. I've been considering a putter fitting in this off season so these putter fitting videos have been very informative. I had gone to a longer putter thinking it would help me judging longer putts. I am notorious with 3 putting. But then I notice more off center strikes.
The session where they work out what head style works best and top lines or dot configuration is something you should do
Still never had a putter fitting. Always just hit a few and gone on feel. Considering it’s the club you use the most, it’s crazy!! Food for thought 👌
When trying putters of different lengths, you have to consider your putting history. It's no surprise that Dan's most consistent putting was with the 34" putter -- he's been using it forever and his body and his putting technique has adapted to that. But the data suggests that the 33" might be a better fit for his frame. He needs to spend some time to see if he can become more comfortable with it. Then he might regain his consistency, but with a better strike position on the face.
Should have fit you to a 33.5 inch putter. The 2 pct difference between the 34 and 33 would most likely disappear once you became accustomed to the 1/2 inch less in length because your numbers actually show the 33 had the best potential.
Great work guys. I now play a 34 1/2, just feels so good. The other key note that so many people forget is the lie angle. See the way yours changed as you changed putters. Love you ideas for content Dan, keep up the great work and stay safe
What lie angle do you use?
this was fascinating, more of James please
Funny thing is, I have always felt I am somewhere between 33 and 34 myself - and when I bought my most recent putter, there were two 34s to choose from, but one was very slightly shorter and that is the one I went with because performance wise, it was just so much easier to sink putts with.
Hi Dan just had a Capto putter fitting with my golf coach dropped 4+ putts per round , just picked my new Scotty Cameron Newport squareback 2 putter up yesterday 1st round tomorrow, only chose the squareback because of the fitting would highly recommend a fitting 🏌🏻♂️
A recent trend for professionals is to get the putter 1 to 1.5 " longer and choking up an inch or so. Choking up really works just like if you choke up on chip shots it is much easier to control the face. I find a big difference holding the putter right at the end...not as stable or controllable or repeatable with face angle. Victor Hovland is the poster boy for this trend with a 36" putter and choking up an inch he says.
Good VDO, Dan.
I always believe that the consistency is the key but now the accuracy. As you get closer to the ground, 32 or 31 inches, the better accuracy can be expected, I think. If I were you, will keep the 34" and choke down a little bit for every crucial putts.
I think eye position I important too, regarding how you see the putt start line at address. If my eyes get over the ball I can’t see the line, a ball inside and I putt well. I’d love to see more of this type of vid. Really interesting stuff. 👍
33.5" 1* Flat and add some loft. There is some fun analysis that you skipped over. ( I don't blame you, as you can get into the weeds quickly ). However, this looks like you may:
1. Hit down on your putter
2. have a LOT of forward shaft lean
3. a combination of the 2
4. Your stroke pivot point may be very forward.
All causing the very high putter face strike locations. Would love to discuss it more
I watched a Scotty Cameron video that talked about this too. I’m surprised the your toe angle went up with the shorter putter. That lie angle is a key piece though. If you are toe up, the loft will change your aim left, toe Down, to the right. It’s only a little, but could be a big difference on long putts, or just be taking away a small percentage of putts that you actually hit well. I tried a couple of 35in putters yesterday and noticed a toe up/ left tendency right away, as long as my eyes were lined up over the ball. Sounds like you need a 33.5in putter. Thanks for the video.
Dan excellent video as always. Putting is a game within a game and you must devote, with the right equipment in your hands, to this very important part of the game. Great bit of equipment you have to measure where strike was on the putter face.
Not had a putter fitting, but would like to. You seem to have all the right stuff for all types of fiitings, maybe a holiday in Torquay and book in for some lessons and fittings for me on a future agenda
I’m going for a putter fitting soon. Found this really interesting. Thanks Dan
Putters rarely have the cg in the middle. The shaft weight moves it towards the heel so Dan might strike it in the sweespot which is more towards the heel.
Getting a putter fitting on Monday and can’t wait!
I had a fit on the Quintic system, I'd previously always played a 33" putter. However, got fitted for a 32 & an Evnroll putter which has markedly improved my putting. Wish I'd done it years ago. Would never buy off the shelf again.
I’ve never been fitted for a putter I’ve always gone with feel and I have to say I’ve certainly thought more about it but again I think it’s about finding the right fitter to do this
Its worth considering David.
It would be nice if shops had more than 35" putters seems that's pretty much it in smaller towns tough to try different items when all you can choose is 35"
Dan the Man wonderful video now I understand more why I feel more consistent and comfortable with my 34 inch putter, brilliant keep up the good work I guess I am chopping my 35 inch down to 34 inch length
Great vid, thank you. It really made me realise that I need a putter fitting. It's the only club in the bag that hasn't been fit properly. Now you know 34 inch is the best for you, how about a vid to show the results of a blade, versus a mallet etc?
Dan can you do a video on an arm lock putter?
Im considering trying 1 but would love to see your thoughts on pros and cons
I am an amateur weekend golfer, I have got 3 putters which are OG (34), XG(35) and Scotty 2.5 Newport special select(33) all blade putter. My height is 5’4” . At the start I found my XG a bit too long my elbow bend too much I couldn’t get over the ball properly so I cut my XG down to 33.5” after that I found much better but still my elbow bend a bit. Then I cut my OG down to 33” and change the grip to super stroke pistol number 2. My putting was much improve.. but..the middle insert seem to not good for me as my consistency not like golfers who play 3-4 days/week then I bought the scotty cameron newport 2.5 special select 33” milled no insert original standard pistol grip I found my putting much more better especially long putting … my arm hanging nicely my elbow feel relax more my eyes get over the ball.. shoulder and arms more tri-angle became one piece. So I would say if anyone’s posture is standard for putting.. the length of the putter it depends on how height and the length of you arm hanging down and how you stand on top of the ball while you putting. You can tell me if i am wrong for this comment.. cheers
Played everything from 33-35” putters, toe hang and face balanced. More recently moved from 35” spider after a Sam putt lab fitting and landed with 34” Phantom X 8.5, slight toe hang. Seems to be working.....
Considering the idea was to try each putter and look at the data at the end of seems like that idea went out the window with the first 35" putter! !
I agree with some of the comments below. Would have been good to see a full fit to find the perfect length to show the whole process. I was fitted for 33" 8 years ago. Being fitted improved my putting dramatically as you end up in a much better/consistent hitting position.
Also, any chance of Lester doing some carry bag reviews? Thinking of the Titleist Hybrid 5, something light to carry and cart. And maybe the Garmin S62..😊
Interesting. Many Years ago I went 1 inch longer (I'm 191cm tall) and realised I actually didn't putt as well as I did with the shorter putter. So back to standard I went. Also interesting that when I tried a shortened putter belonging to a mate, I pretty much immediately felt it in my lower back after just 10 balls. So thanks Dan.
How tall your putter now? 34, 35?
How about trying 33.5" or 33.75"? It seems like you might be in between 33" and 34". Also if you go shorter let your arms hang a little more so you don't have to bend over more. I've been experimenting with my 34" putter and if I choke down a 1/2 inch, my arms hang a bit more, it gets me on top of the ball a bit more and it seems that it's a bit easier to start putts on the correct line. At this point the small tweaks could help you find the best combination between the best strike with no back strain.
Was very interesting but not a surprise that your existing 34 was the best for you - good to see how the process works though
Been through the SAM process a couple of times with different styles of putters and it's a good experience and interesting. But IMO touch and feel on the greens is the most important part of putting and that's something I certainly do not have. 🤣
Amazing video, was not aware of the SAM Put Lab. I was going to buy a new putter today and had decided on the Callaway Ten but now I am going to call around and get fitted. Thank you!
Are you new to the channel Rich?
I putted with a 33in for years but switched to a 34in specifically because the back discomfort.
reading the comments there are so many people using what I consider short putters. I'm only 6foot tall, so not super tall by any means, but when I was using a 35" putter I would have the feelings you were getting with the 33", and it really felt like my body was bent over like Michelle Wie. Not good for my back.
I now use a 38" putter, and never putted better.
38inch putter 😲, that would be in my armpit. Only 6ft, you must be Dutch.
Dutch!? I'm Aussie, mate. And I still stand by my comment 1 year on. I guess I just stand vey upright when putting.
@@daniel_haack awesome mate, you Aussies are also taller on average than us Brits. I said Dutch as they are known to be a tall nation in Europe. Would love to play some golf down under. All the best brother
Back problems aside. Surely the smaller the putter i.e. a 33 over a 34 would also provide greater accuracy as you are closer to the ball and have greater control, right?
great comment Dan, would love see lester fitted with his new putter, interesting
1st appearance of our handsome assistant pro-James
I think you mean handsome Head Coaching Professional there Alan 😜
What about lengths in between - 34.5” etc. curious what the numbers should show if you were to split the difference between 33 and 34” given consistency was good in one but centered strike was better in the other.
Yes my thought exactly. Id bet 33.75 or 33.5 would be THE one for Dan
Good stuff Dan! Looks very similar to my putter fitting experience. I ended up at 34” to bring my strike down and added loft to counter my forward press. Noticeable improvement in consistency of roll!
Hi Dan, after my putting win on Sunday evening I am going to get a new putter but fitted for me, especially after putting poorly for years. Big oggie has just uploaded 2 x 1hr fitting vlogs with Andy Gorman in Sutton Coldfield and the detail and information is great. Also found your vlog of a year ago which is also superb. That putting competition hould cost me about £400 😭😭 but hopefully will be putting better afterwards. I think the win was meant to be. Have you heard of Precision golf in West Byfleet, Surrey? Thinking of seeing them or Andy Gorman unless there's someone else you could recommend for me.
DAN ive been playing golf for 40 years and in my opinion all putters are to long unless you are six foot plus tall my advice to anyone taking up golf is buy a putter and a new grip take it home and shorten the putter and put the new grip on it is very easy to do it will transform your game
Just having the data on strike location gives you the knowledge you need to adjust set up with the 34. Maybe just literally set up with the ball looking further toward the toe, then go from there.
Set up the ball closer to the toe, that sounds like a bad idea to me. Why not just go with 33.75, or 33.5. Allow the strike point to centre naturally.
great video, Really like the guys explanation of the SAM.
Had a putter fitting with James before the lockdown. Ended up with a Scotty Phantom X 35 inches in length and my putting has improved, taking a good 5 to 6 shots of a round on putting alone, well worth it .
Hi,great video.
I had all intention of having a new putter.was put on a Sam and told I was tour average and was just advised more on swing and stance.which is reassuring to know.
Could you have had the lie adjusted ,and could you next time show more to do with swing paths and angles please .
Would
Very interesting, changing between style of putter as well as length would have been equally as interesting. My close friends son is an England junior and changing his spider x from 30 degree toe hang to face balanced made a huge difference on SAM, at his level of golf it's critical not so sure for myself being a 12 handicapper.
Dan, in my limited experience I find that grip size can make a big difference in face control. Can you do something on that?
What about adjusting the lie on the 34”?
Had a putting fitting with my club pro, A MUST FOR ALL GOLFERS!!
Found that really interesting. I was fitted using Sam Putt Lab early last year. The device was only fitted to my own putter. Which surprised me. And not to the putter I eventually bought. I didn't understand the process, and I guess this may not have been the correct way to fit a putter!
Really interesting video Dan. I use 34” but would love a fitting to confirm if it’s right for me
Would it be possible to get the shaft cut to 33.5 moving to more of a central strike plus help your back more
Why wouldn't you try and make the length 33.5" and dial in centre strive that way?
Recently got fitted for a new putter, very surprised when seeing the results between my old and new putters.
Damn I’m 5,8 and have been using a 35in forever haha. Would a local golf shop be able to shorten my putter with no problems ?
Yes 👍
Good stuff, Dan. Considering how much putting affects score, you'd think all serious golfers would have been properly fitted for their putter. And you'd be wrong, lol. I keep saying I'll do it...
American golf for your putter fitting. They’ve got equipment in there worth £50k that is the most accurate way of fitting your putter. Most PGA Golf fitters don’t have this equipment because it’s so expensive. I got my putter fitted at American golf which was completely the opposite to what my pga pro golf fitter fitted me for.
So you’ve been using a 34” putter for the last ten years, and you’re the most consistent with it? Wow. Who would have thought?
Thanks for commenting Lenny, always good to check with the experts 👍
Hi Dan I bought a Ping Sigma 2 last year but it’s only since the lockdown that I played around with the length and ended up going down to 32.5. I got a back issue when I first started to practice but I seem to have got use to it now.
Id be trialling a 33.5 and just compare as that might produce the best numbers and strike consistency
Dan i wonder what a 33.5 would have done for you? I'd like to see you do the 33.5 and 34.5 to compare to the 33 and 34 here.
Hey Dan - great video. Out of curiosity, how tall are you? I think that might help in providing context to see where others might measure up in figuring out their putter lengths as well. Thanks!
About 5’9
I just wonder how much shorter shafts like Lefty's putters are fitted with can make the owner feel comfortable.
Choosing putter grips is even harder as if not fitted to a putter are hard to test. Moving from the pistol grip to a straighter style must also change lie angle. How do we amateurs choose?
What about putter loft? Listened to a Tiger putting clip the other day and he was saying he tries to feel he is hitting up on the ball. Ball position slightly forward of centre. This is an area of the game we need more insight into for sure (to be sure) 😁
Am I missing something? How tall are you dude? I am writing this half way into this video but I have heard nothing about how tall you are. Are you. 5'6? Are you 6'2? Does your height have nothing to do with your putter length?
I talked to several PGA coaches and a agree that what is comfortable is best. Having said that you are clearly comfortable with the 34 inch. I am curious to know your height Dan, as it has some relevance overall with your biomechanics. Personally I am very comfortable with a 32 inch putter and for an amateur I rarely 3 putt and about 80% between 4 and 5 feet, and I am 5-10 tall.
Was fit into a 34.25/3/70 by Scotty years ago and have never had a different length since then. Recently upgrade my T22 Newport with the Stability Shaft Tour and have been putting lights out. Not sure if its honeymoon or what...
So 34' bent upright 1 degree to bring you strike into the middle like the 33".... thats my take from this video and your preferred feel and stroke?
I can’t see what difference it would make if you take the same posture all the time and allow your hands to rise and fall. I do this all the time especially when on sloping ground. Furthermore I vary the strike point on the face on purpose especially when confronted with a slippy downhill putt where I lighten my grip and hit off the toe. A putter is like any other club you don’t have to have your hands in the same place you can go up and down to finesse a wedge shot for example. By the same token the face of your wedge my be opened or hooded?
With the smaller one could it not just be that the back issue is more because of it feeling different rather than actually being a problem. So would you get used to it in time? It may then give better figures perhaps?
Dan, it would be interesting to do this with Lester, would be good to see the results.
Great stuff guys, really interesting stuff! I think my next putter I’ll get fit for.
Getting fitted for a Putter that is optimised for you is probably more important than any other club in your Bag IMO!
So, is it best to be very consistent with a 'not ideal' strike position, or slightly less consistent with an ideal strike location? 🤔
Just a thought, why not try the 33" putter with a slightly wider stance so you keep your spine in its current posture and you give yourself a potentially 'firmer' base as a consequence...🙂👍🙏⛳️🏌️🍻
Great vlog, are you going to do a vlog on the oldish Scotty Cameron putter that you bought a few months ago from eBay that arrived damaged?
Is the ideal strike location in the exact center of the putter face vertically and horizontally? Would it vary by the design of the putter?
Dan you need to go to a chiropractor if you have back pain after 10 putts
33.5” for you Dan!😉
But what could he have done to bring your contact point to more in the center with the 34” putter?