Leno is great. I don’t hate the folks on late tv these days but I just don’t watch, it’s just not funny to me. It’s almost all political. I miss Jay Leno doing the headlines too. I just watch him talk about cars and it’s cool.
Funny how Leno forgets that he wasn't number one for years when he first got the Tonight Show. It wasn't till the Hugh Grant interview did Leno become number one. Conan had six months.
@@monotech20.14 It wasn't up to Jay how long Conan got to improve his ratings. And *NBC* wanted him to stay as host of "The Tonight Show," but Conan chose to resign and take the buy out money.
I think most who read Bill Carter's book can see that "The Tonight Show debacle" was not Jay's doing, but rather it was the result of Conan not recognizing that what *NBC* could do to both Jay and to Dave, they could also do to him.
@@MisterE-yi2esJay just isn't the guy that people want him to be. He's affable, friendly to fans, and a notoriously hard worker. I love Conan, but it still wasn't Jay's fault.
He is the worst interviewer i have ever seen. Interrupting, sucking up to guests and bragging about the guys he knows, his famous neighbours and friends bleh. Hard to watch
Yes, Howie's passionate about everybody knowing the truth behind the Conan affair, but Jay doesn't really seem to hold grudges (the way his competitors do). He's said in the past "I sleep fine," so he just doesn't feel he should have to defend himself.
@@nicholasgarcia6402 Conan had what he wanted - even if it meant displacing another guy and his entire staff. But in the end he chose to resign and take the buy out money.
@gallery7596 They were using Jay Leno show to constantly Nickel&dime o'Brian show, and constantly telling him that his show was only successful because it is after jay leno show.
Howie has learned how studio executives think. He even talks like one, abrasive and domineering. The Hollywood machine turns people into aggressive assholes. Jay and Howie's daughter seemed uncomfortable with Howie's pontificating. Jay loved your daughters funny comment, "That's my life. He cuts me off to tell me what I'm thinking". Too bad Howie rambled on over her and Jay.
Nope. Howie has always been a phony asshole, same as Jay Leno. I think it’s partially attributed to neither of them have ever drank or done drugs in their life. Same with Donald Trump and all other famous assholes. Just a theory of mine that seems to always be confirmed.
He's obviously Orthodox, and is just spinning the web as Jay sees it. It's not fun to have to take a hard look at the mirror and realize you sacrificed a lot of potential friends and allies just to stay on TV after midnight for a few more years. It was a hugely stupid decision.
Conan sacrificed Jay (who'd helped him out when his early days as host of "Late Night" were off to a rocky start) in order to get "The Tonight Show." And if Conan consulted him first, Jay could've reminded Conan that when he was guaranteed "The Tonight Show" after Carson's departure, *NBC* turned around and offered it to Letterman to keep him from leaving. But Conan didn't think that was necessary. He just said "yes" and let *NBC* tell Jay he was out at the end of his contract.
@@gallery7596 and who does that? If the company offers you a job, you take it. You don't go to the person holding that job and asks if they're ok with it. Leno didn't have any dignity. NBC dropped him and instead of going to another network and destroying Conan on ratings, he stayed around doing that ratings poison they called a show destroying Conan's Tonight Show from inside. Then accepting the job back from the very same guys that took it from him on the first place. That's why he came out so damaged of this situation. The company screwed both of them. Conan didn't accept it and left, Jay "the company guy" took the show back but was a mere shadow of his former self until Fallon took over. Was it worth it?
It's all about ratings. Jay had the highest rating and now Colbert has the highest rating among late night show. People can watch anyone. FOX news has the highest rating because that's the only channel for conservatives to watch almost half the population. Liberals have more channels to choose. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, all the late shows,......
*@Every One* No, I can't agree with that because (1) Jimmy seems like a really nice guy and he's a good impressionist, too, and (2) after more than 8 years as host of "The Tonight Show" you must concede he's gotta be doing something right.
@@gallery7596 appreciate the reply but no...I do not need to concede anything. If you think he's doing good and right and you enjoy him that's great...Ill just stick to listening to Conan needs a friend podcast and pretend that's my tonight show
@@gregwatson8219 boohooo helps ur respect. U r a pissant. Nobody cares about ur respect. Andhe did speak about the low ratings repeatedly in his podcast if you've bothered to give him a listen.
@@gregwatson8219He got the tonight show and the older viewers who normally would watch it didn't like how animated Conan was so they stopped watching. Even Leno said he manipulated the way he presented in the show.
As Letterman pointed it out, once NBC made this deal with Conan, Jay should have left the network once his contract was up, they did Jay and Conan dirty, Leno could have work at any network (other than CBS of course) but for some insane reason he decided to stay at NBC and therefore damage his own legacy and the Tonight Shows as well.
In 2008, Jay (still #1) was certainly being courted by ABC to be Jimmy Kimmel's lead-in. That's what panicked NBC into offering Leno a prime time show at 10:00pm. But after the prime time show tanked I don't recall Bill Carter mentioning in his book that Jay was getting such offers. In 2009 (after the cancellation of the prime time show), Jay was offered a new 30 minute show that would move Conan's "Tonight Show" to midnight. Jay was not immediately sold on that plan, which prompted him and his producer to ask if it would be possible for them to be released from their contracts. NBC told them that wasn't going to happen. That's what went down there.
NBC refused to let him out of his contract. Jay was also trying to keep his staff employed. He did not damage his legacy. Also, it was Conan who screwed Jay over by getting him fired in the first place. I have no smpyatrhy for him whatsoever and he got what was coming to him.
Conan is the best by far imo. I try to remember that in an interview after he lost the tonight show, Conan said that he was fine and was taken care of. That no contracts were ever violated and he came out alright.
Main difference is he asks you some questions on his podcast. But he doesn't let you answer and instead talks the whole time like he's the one being interviewed lol
@@starkicker5623oh he cares, he just wanted to wait until sometime has passed so he can form any narrative he wants. if Leno admitted that he made some mistakes in HOW HE HANDLED this…people would have a lot more respect for him. Carson didn’t bitch moan because Leno got the job. that wasn’t Carson style. Leno has refused to take ANY accountability. and pushing most of the blame on NBC (justifiably so) and an eager Conan who couldn’t stay in his lane and wait his turn. Leno had an motive that he won’t admit to but it’s very evident. people who defend Leno are the same people who CANT take accountability for their actions. if so many people be saying the same thing about you, when do you start taking accountability and owning up with what you’re doing. Leno’s ego and emotions clouded his judgment. he should’ve seen the writing on the wall. accept it and move on. Leno acted like one of those toxic girls you break up with who can’t accept you have moved on so you wait around, following the ex and the new boo around. and hoping that things go sour so you can slide back in.
6:46 I have my criticisms of Leno, but I give him props for citing Craig Ferguson's inadvertent catalyst role in the late-2000s/early 2010s late night confusion. It's true he "gummed up" the works when he started battling Conan earnestly at 12;35a. Honestly Conan vs. Craig was a far more compelling contest to me than Jay vs. Dave (admittedly, as someone who is a big fan of both). I still think Craig's show is one of the most underheralded pieces of pop culture in the past 20 years. It's funny in the fuller interview where Jay tells the story of an executive telling him that it wasn't enough to be #1, they wanted "what's above #1." It's actually one of those things that makes no sense when you say it out loud or read it as a standalone statement. And yet it completely sums up NBC's thinking at the time. "Beyond #1" to them, I think, meant "not just winning but monopolizing." They wanted Jay and Conan & they wanted Jay and Dave in the early '90s. They knew Jay was pliable and when he'd retort with "I'm #1," I think they wanted to lean on him in a way where they could keep other ambitious valuable properties (Dave, then Conan, then Fallon) without losing him. And criticize NBC all you want (and I have) but it worked! Jay still does Jay Leno's Garage for one of NBC's cable properties and Conan was devalued from network level by the time he left NBC.
Conan was almost cancelled early if it wasnt for others like Leno and Letterman vouching for him. He wound up finding his niche and success eventually but why would you try to take someone elses show by demanding to NBC that he must get the tonight show in 5 years or else he is gone. Its like screwing over the people who helped save you. In the end when Conan took over the Tonight show he lost audience members and the advertisers who were losing money demanded to NBC that Leno come back. It was a shitty situation for all as NBC didnt want to get rid of Conan or Leno but couldnt keep one without losing the other. The fact that after Leno took off Tonight show and then they told him to leave again for Jimmy Fallon shows that it wasnt Lenos fault. Leno even visited Jimmy Fallon on the tonight show after Jimmy Fallon took over. This conflict between Leno and Conan was going to happen regardless because of their popularity.
@@mk17173n "why would you try to take someone else's show by demanding to NBC that he must get the tonight show in 5 years or else he is gone." Simple: Because FOX' offer was huge. Conan had leverage and his agent used it. No different than Kusnick used her leverage to say "Give Jay the Tonight Show when Johnny retires and tell *no one* about it (Johnny included)." Jay simply lost the show via the same tactic that got him the show in the first place. Jay defenders seem to conveniently forget how much money Conan lost out on by turning FOX down and taking the chance he'd still be #1 at 12;35a for five years (and he wasn't unanimously....along came Craig Ferguson to push him). If you think it was galling for Conan to do what he did, you must have been equally appalled that Jay didn't just refuse to push for TTS and take CBS' offer instead in the early 1990s. Because he very easily could have.
Funny how Leno forgets that he wasn't number one for years when he first got the Tonight Show. It wasn't till the Hugh Grant interview did Leno become number one. Conan had six months.
@@monotech20.14 It wasn't years.. it was 18 months and Conan was on for 7 months. And one popular night doesn't make you number one for the next 17 years.
The problem I have with Jays side of the Late Night Wars is that Jay hung around and did not exit. Jay said he wasn’t going to beg to be with someone that doesn’t want to be with him yet Jay didn’t move on.
The fact that he took the job back after is a very bad look too. To protect his staff for two years? They were told 5 years in advance that the show will be replaced. Imagine the lead in to the prime talkshow is another talkshow who gets better guests... It's sad Conan lost both the big factors of him choosing the Tonight Show, which are to keep his library of amazing work on late night and ofcourse a raise. If he had chosen Fox he wouldve got the money but lost all access to his 16-17years worth of work.
@@superfreak3050 Jay chose the prime time offer because it allowed him to stay on a channel his audience was accustomed to finding him, and he got to keep his entire staff. Turned out to be a colossal mistake, but nobody can know for sure going in what kind of success or failure a show is going to have. Yes, Conan should've chosen the *FOX* offer and the entire debacle could've been averted. But, obviously, that's with the benefit of hindsight, too.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again; The golden age of Late Night talk shows was the fortunately long period when we had Letterman, Leno AND Conan at the same time. We were spoiled back then, which would become evident when the next generation of hosts took over.
It feels like Howie wanted Jay there more as a prop to act humbled and validated by Howie's revelations. Like he wanted him to get teary-eyed and be grateful that SOMEONE understood this complicated scenario. It felt like Howie concentrated more on finishing his theory than actually interviewing the person involved or hearing their interpretation.
Yes, Jay's motto is "never complain, never explain," so he's just never been particularly interested in actively defending himself. And haters are gonna think whatever they want anyway, so why bother?
I think Conan should interview jay instead😂 But seriously, I wanted to know more of Jay's side of the story, since Conan had always been the victim of this whole mess. For the love of god just let the man speak
Don Ohlmeyer was so clueless. It's not surprising that he didn't want to keep Conan. He is the same guy that fired Norm MacDonald. Ohlmeyer was a horrible judge of talent. It's amazing that he was in charge for a long time.
He gave Conan the tonight show. Then Jay came out of retirement with his boring prime time show. After he gave Conan his blessings. NBC is crooked, and so is Jay Leno. There's a reason no one likes this douchebag.
*@John Dinh Nguyen* I think Jay would probably like to talk it out and put it behind them (much like he did years ago with Dennis Miller, and those two became friends). But, I don't know if Conan can ever let it go- especially when a lot of his fans seem to luxuriate in that hatred. For Team CoCo, it's as if it were still 2010, and I think that's regrettable both for them, and Conan.
Leno would have never accepted another talk show to be his lead-in. He also wouldnt accept the move to midnight. Jay should have drove his many cars into the sunset.
Wrongh. Jaty was #1. He didn't want to leave. Conan should respected Jay by leaving instead of demanding Jay be fired and he be given Jay's job. Conan was a scumbag. Period.
@RockMeAmadeus is this Jay Leno? Lmao why you going so hard to defend a conflict from like 15 years ago. Also Conan hosted Late night for like 15 years, Jay walked right in and hosted the tonight show, the flagship late night tv program in the US, as far as “paying dues” goes, Conan sat in the wing waiting for his turn lol, Jay walked in and stole it from Letterman
@RockMeAmadeus Conan wasnt granted the gift of time. NBC was full of so much panic. They didnt want to lose any of their talent. Hell, Fallon didnt realize he was all games and no interview until well after the 6 month mark. I genuinely believe as a fan of all Late Night hosts, except Corden, that Conans Tonight Show AND Fergusons Late Late could've and would've succeeded together.
It's pretty crazy because most comments I see on these kind of videos, or people that I talk to that have watched late night for years, from the 90s on, will say Conan is the best to ever do it, Letterman was great and Craig Ferguson was extremely underrated. There is very little mention of Leno and absolutely no mention of the current late night show hosts.
Absolute BS. Johnny walked away on his owm. NBC offered the job to Jay. Conan screwed Jay over by getting him fired. Finally, Norm said Jay did nothing wrong. You're clueless.
@@johnklinger943 Yes, Dave mocked Jay for the "don't blame Conan" line, but the truth is the ratings for "The Tonight Show" started dropping when Conan took over as host- and Conan was regularly losing to Dave for months before there was a "Jay Leno Show" to blame. Dave's sex scandal admissions were also drawing viewers away from Conan's "Tonight Show," but, not surprisingly, he doesn't seem to admit this.
@@gallery7596 what exactly does anyone have to admit? does Clinton call Bush and say hey, your presidentship doesn't seem to be going too great, why don't you hand it back over. the guy who has the job has the job. don't be doing no under-handed stuff now.
@@araucariapasquale1 But Conan wasn't elected to his position. He was hired by the network that owns "The Tonight Show." Now, if you want to bring democracy into it, then judging by the ratings after his first week as host, a majority of viewers seemed to be rejecting Conan.
glad jay said the thing about people can't relate to them as tv people make so much money. it is so true. when tv guys are angry about whatever, but have 50 mil in the bank, it makes the rest of us wonder what they are mad about.
I love Conan more than any other lare night / prime time personality. That being said the whole “let’s villain-ize Jay Leno” way of thinking is so old and worn out. TV is a big messy business
Conan stabbed Jay and himself when he agreed to *NBC's* weird 5 year plan to retire Jay. Letterman shot himself in the foot by not playing nice with the *NBC* execs who were deciding Carson's successor.
Conan only got 6 months jay Leno just said he got 18 months, and all he cared about was being popular rather than good. This does nothing to make jay look better IMO
Seems to me you don't have a good understanding of the goal of a network. They must sell advertising. They must do that by getting viewers. FoxNews and CNN are horrible news organizations when compared to PBS and NPR, but FoxNews and CNN sell more advertising and make their networks money. That's why they are where they are. There have been many a successful show that sucked in my opinion but others that were so mature, so good, and yet they got cancelled because they had low ratings or cost a mint to make. Jay "understood the assignment." It's that simple.
@@bechtoea IMO how NBC handled this situation just continued their downward spiral. I've never blamed Leno, but NBC is poorly run and now Fallon can't keep up with Colbert. Why not just let Leno stay when he was number 1 and allow Conan to leave and get work somewhere else? They tried to have their cake and eat it too.
@@pleaserewind295 Conan had the chance to go elsewhere but he couldn't resist the opportunity to be the host of "The Tonight Show." Otherwise, I agree completely with your assessment- and (as Bill Carter observed) 'you can't keep two people who want the same thing." But *NBC* tried and it was a huge failure that ended up hurting both guys.
7:37 let me tell what Howie was thinking: "If I hear any more interruptions like that from you, young lady, you're in for a jolly good smacked bottom".
@@sisib1389But Jay's retirement was forced on him by *NBC* after Conan signed a deal with them to become the new host of "The Tonight Show." It was the network that appealed to Jay not to make a fuss about it, and he did the gentlemanly thing and publicly congratulated Conan. It was *NBC* that changed their minds 5 years later when Jay stayed #1 in the ratings while Conan at 12:35am was losing ground to Ferguson.
Justice, injustice; correct, incorrect; narratives, counter-narratives whatever. we just follow the comedian we like and defend them to the end. One thing is probably true, tho -- Conan's style just was never right for the show Carson and Leno built. Leno ain't my style, Conan is.
This is why celebrity podcasts just don’t work. These clips are like a chore to listen to/watch. Hell, I even listened to the whole episodes to see if I took the conversations out of context/flow.
Leno touched on something that is often ignored in the whole Letterman/Conan camp: Jay inherited Johnny's audience, their sensibilities, their values, their worldview. Letterman would have alienated that whole crowd inside of a year. Conan would have done the same thing too, or he would have looked foolish trying to conform to their tastes.
I don't know if Dave would've alienated "The Tonight Show" audience, but I do think his inability to get along with the *NBC* executive branch (not to mention his more often that not second place ratings) would've gotten Dave forcibly retired a lot sooner than they tried to do with Jay. Going to *CBS* was the best decision Dave ever made, and (without either of them realizing it) Jay kinda' took a bullet for him staying. And Conan should've recognized that *NBC* was not an outfit to put your complete trust in.
I once uploaded some videos trying to start a boycott for NBC after what Leno did to Conan. I took them down after Conan's speech about cynicism. It's unconscionable and outright offensive that Jay (and you) is trying to rationalize his wicked behavior. Perhaps the time is right I make a rant and explain exactly why Jay Leno should be ashamed of himself. I know for an absolute fact that he would watch it. Don't even get me started on those private investigators and harassers he sent after me. "We will find who made this video" Jay told me in the comments. . . then you did. Do you know what being stocked like that does to a man? It's currently been 12 years and 27 days, AND I WILL NEVER FORGET. Edit : I'm not gonna make a video. I read what I wrote and thought "this is way too mean". All I can say is it's still a sensitive and emotional topic. Maybe Jay is just toying with us, he is a heartless bastard afterall and factually speaking I AM BETTER THAN HIM.
*@TheTarrMan* RE: "Don't even get me started on those private investigators and harassers he sent after me. "We will find who made this video" Jay told me in the comments . . . then you did. Do you know what being stocked like that does to a man? So, Jay Leno, a multi-millionaire with a busy career in standup and host of his own car show sent private investigators and harrassers to [stalk] you? Well, isn't that something. RE: "...Conan who at least looked after his 300+ staff (that moved clear across the country from New York to California for this job that was supposed to be more than just another opportunity)." Yes, Conan's entire staff who lost their jobs as a direct result of Conan's decision to resign. As we know, *NBC* actually wanted him to stay as host of "The Tonight Show," but Conan said "no," and took the buy-out money. So, not only could he afford to be generous, he actually owed those people for putting all of them out of work.
@@Jesusisyhvh1 I'm not gonna make a video dude. I read what I wrote and thought "this is way too mean". All I can say is it's a sensitive and emotional topic for me.
If Conan had turned down *NBC's* proposal to forcibly retire Jay: -he could've had a show at *ABC* -or a show at *FOX* with a salary almost twice what *NBC* was offering, -an earlier start time, -he wouldn't have had to wait 5 years to get it, -and Jay and his staff could've stayed on at "The Tonight Show." The entire debacle would've been averted if Conan had said no to *NBC.*
@@johnlanton9363 RE: "He said he’d give the show to Conan." You think Jay had a choice? Conan taking over "The Tonight Show" was decided before Jay knew a thing about it. Conan could've at least respectfully consulted Jay first. But he didn't, and so Jay was shocked when they informed him. *"The War For Late Night: When Leno Went Early & Television Went Insane by Bill Carter."* Read it for yourself and see.
Before talking about how Leno "sabotaged" Conan and booted him off of The Tonight Show, it's important to remember that Conan "sabotaged" Leno and booted him off of The Tonight Show first. However, at least Conan got to leave willfully of his own accord and got a $45 million payday out of it. Leno didn't get to choose, and his reward was to be dragged through the mud by short-sighted journalists who told less than half of the story regarding the situation, even though Leno and Conan behaved in no more or less self-interested ways in their decisions.
RE: "Leno and Conan behaved in no more or less self-interested ways in their decisions." I agree, and I remember Oprah saying of this situation *"I feel like those who are blaming Jay don't really understand how television works."*
Conan's agents screwed him big time by not having time slot guarantee protection in his contract. If he had that NBC could never have moved him to midnight. Conan could have gotten $20 million a year and created his own thing at Fox. He was so fixated on the Tonight Show as if he was taking over ftom Carson.
@@Joe-xt5tq BS. Conan is the one who should have f;d off as Jay never should have been forced out to begin with. And it was out of Jay's hands because NBC agreed to Conan's demands and fired Jay. It takes a real POS to demand someone elses job. Also, There wasn't anything Jay could do about it. Conan fucked JAY over and got him fired. Conan embarrassed himself by trying to make himself out to be an innocent victim after all the BS he pulled to get Jay fired in the first place. Yoru hero Conan is not an innocent person. he is a scumbag.
@RockMeAmadeus right. Taking a show on tbs then quietly leaving is narracistic. There is something very odd about Jay’s “oh I don’t know anything and I don’t have an agent as chucks” attitude. Not saying jay is guilty of anything, but there is something off about what he’s saying.
@RockMeAmadeus Jay didn’t have a manager, he had an agent though. Also the name Conan is so prevalent in the branding because 1, no other host shared that name, and 2, that was the literal name of his show, branding/merch for the show CONAN was obviously going to heavily feature the name Conan lol
@RockMeAmadeus love how you easily skipped over the fact that one of ur statements was false, Jay Leno did in fact have an agent. And this is so funny, it was a new show, staring Conan O’Brien, he was formative in its creation, all the other shows mentioned by you were developed by networks, then had a host search, obviously they couldn’t just be named after one person lol. Also u seem to willfully be forgetting that Jay developed the JAY LENO SHOW. Also there are like 20 late night tv host’s, what tf are u on lmao
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feel bad for you man... daughter cutting you off like that... ouch bubba
what I would do to have the freedom of wealth you gentlemen have...
Leno is great. I don’t hate the folks on late tv these days but I just don’t watch, it’s just not funny to me. It’s almost all political. I miss Jay Leno doing the headlines too. I just watch him talk about cars and it’s cool.
Funny how Leno forgets that he wasn't number one for years when he first got the Tonight Show. It wasn't till the Hugh Grant interview did Leno become number one. Conan had six months.
@@monotech20.14 It wasn't up to Jay how long Conan got to improve his ratings. And *NBC* wanted him to stay as host of "The Tonight Show," but Conan chose to resign and take the buy out money.
@@gallery7596 After Leno killed their ratings and took all the better guest.
I watch old Conan bits all the time. I'm not sure I've ever sought out any old Leno jokes.
Coco’s remotes right?
@@molliek1079 The remotes are great but not just those. I love watching old bits like Preparation H Raymond and the Interrupter too.
You should watch some old stand up by Leno. He was hilarious!
@@xnightshadyx omg yes!
Good point
Jay's legacy will forever be defined by this and Conan going to TBS and starting a podcast really proved him to be the better entertainer and person.
I think most who read Bill Carter's book can see that "The Tonight Show debacle" was not Jay's doing, but rather it was the result of Conan not recognizing that what *NBC* could do to both Jay and to Dave, they could also do to him.
you spelled "VENGEFUL BACKSABBER" wrong!
There is no better person than Jay Leno.
@@MisterE-yi2esJay just isn't the guy that people want him to be. He's affable, friendly to fans, and a notoriously hard worker. I love Conan, but it still wasn't Jay's fault.
Love how Howie's daughter is literally basically just telling her dad to shut up. Her body language said it all lol.
He is the worst interviewer i have ever seen. Interrupting, sucking up to guests and bragging about the guys he knows, his famous neighbours and friends bleh. Hard to watch
@@ignacyrozek9535 ikr, this is only the 2nd time I clicked on one of Howie's interviews and I'll NEVER do it again. I'm OUT!
She actually did the same thing in the start of the video. Like father, like daughter.
Yeah I was hoping one of them would say STFU and listen!
The daughters like when you two are done sucking each other, I'll just wait for this nightmare to be over.
Whatever happens, DON'T BLAME CONAN.
His show sucked when he took over the tonight show.
So does your English, dimwit.
@@JoeBuck207 fair but it was also kind of doomed to begin with
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"Whose blaming Conan?"
Conan leaves the network and Jimmy Fallon takes the show. That’s the definition of lose lose
@@ElectrikThundergod fallons not for people who are used to funny
thats his daugher?? gotta keep everything sterile
Eh I think Jimmy Fallon is perfect for a main-stream, general audience
This is just howie mandel telling his guest he knows what happened in their life better than the person itself
Yes, Howie's passionate about everybody knowing the truth behind the Conan affair, but Jay doesn't really seem to hold grudges (the way his competitors do). He's said in the past "I sleep fine," so he just doesn't feel he should have to defend himself.
@@gallery7596 says the guy who got what he wanted in the end
@@nicholasgarcia6402 Conan had what he wanted - even if it meant displacing another guy and his entire staff. But in the end he chose to resign and take the buy out money.
@gallery7596
They were using Jay Leno show to constantly Nickel&dime o'Brian show, and constantly telling him that his show was only successful because it is after jay leno show.
No. He knows that Leno doesn't defend himself
It would sure be interesting to hear what Jay has to say about all this stuff.
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I was looking for this comment. Mandel talks too much.
Howie has learned how studio executives think. He even talks like one, abrasive and domineering. The Hollywood machine turns people into aggressive assholes. Jay and Howie's daughter seemed uncomfortable with Howie's pontificating. Jay loved your daughters funny comment, "That's my life. He cuts me off to tell me what I'm thinking". Too bad Howie rambled on over her and Jay.
Nope. Howie has always been a phony asshole, same as Jay Leno.
I think it’s partially attributed to neither of them have ever drank or done drugs in their life.
Same with Donald Trump and all other famous assholes.
Just a theory of mine that seems to always be confirmed.
He's obviously Orthodox, and is just spinning the web as Jay sees it. It's not fun to have to take a hard look at the mirror and realize you sacrificed a lot of potential friends and allies just to stay on TV after midnight for a few more years. It was a hugely stupid decision.
Conan sacrificed Jay (who'd helped him out when his early days as host of "Late Night" were off to a rocky start) in order to get "The Tonight Show." And if Conan consulted him first, Jay could've reminded Conan that when he was guaranteed "The Tonight Show" after Carson's departure, *NBC* turned around and offered it to Letterman to keep him from leaving. But Conan didn't think that was necessary. He just said "yes" and let *NBC* tell Jay he was out at the end of his contract.
Met alot of studio executives.
@@gallery7596 and who does that? If the company offers you a job, you take it. You don't go to the person holding that job and asks if they're ok with it.
Leno didn't have any dignity. NBC dropped him and instead of going to another network and destroying Conan on ratings, he stayed around doing that ratings poison they called a show destroying Conan's Tonight Show from inside. Then accepting the job back from the very same guys that took it from him on the first place.
That's why he came out so damaged of this situation. The company screwed both of them. Conan didn't accept it and left, Jay "the company guy" took the show back but was a mere shadow of his former self until Fallon took over. Was it worth it?
At the end of the day jay is a American tv time fixture but Conan is a legend.
DUDE JAY IS THE MAN BUT AS A KID I STAYED UP FOR CONNAN OR HOWEVER YOU SPELL IT
Conan is amazing. Love that guy.
@@jon8004 name some I’ll wait.
@@jon8004 the fact that It took you that long to search up these “moments” of Jay is a testament to his mediocrity in comparison to Conan.
It's all about ratings. Jay had the highest rating and now Colbert has the highest rating among late night show. People can watch anyone. FOX news has the highest rating because that's the only channel for conservatives to watch almost half the population. Liberals have more channels to choose. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, all the late shows,......
No matter what...can we all agree that when the dust settled and Jimmy Fallon got the tonight show that was the worst decision of all
That was 6 years later what are you on about
NBC got what they deserved
*@Every One* No, I can't agree with that because (1) Jimmy seems like a really nice guy and he's a good impressionist, too, and (2) after more than 8 years as host of "The Tonight Show" you must concede he's gotta be doing something right.
@@gallery7596 appreciate the reply but no...I do not need to concede anything. If you think he's doing good and right and you enjoy him that's great...Ill just stick to listening to Conan needs a friend podcast and pretend that's my tonight show
@@everyoneash Fair enough.
Howie is so full of himself, he should be the guest.
I will admit when I was a kid I was introduced to Conan who I love by watching the tonight show every night
I wish Jay would have been allowed to say a bit more, himself. Thanks daughter for calling Dad out on that note.🙄👍
Conans worst remote (which btw you will have a hard time finding) is better than Jays entire catalogue of everything he has done in his career
Felt great to listen to Howie speculating how Jay was thinking during the late night wars lol
"You just ut him off to take him through how he thought of that?" lmao! best line of the clip
All worked out well, Conan is a legend now.
TBS was a good home for Conan.
A legend nobody watches. Only the rumours circulate... "he once was great, or so they say".
The hype waa always greater than the actual reception.
Conan didnt take responsibility for low ratings. He lost my respect
@@gregwatson8219 boohooo helps ur respect. U r a pissant. Nobody cares about ur respect. Andhe did speak about the low ratings repeatedly in his podcast if you've bothered to give him a listen.
@@gregwatson8219He got the tonight show and the older viewers who normally would watch it didn't like how animated Conan was so they stopped watching. Even Leno said he manipulated the way he presented in the show.
30 seconds of jay speaking.
As Letterman pointed it out, once NBC made this deal with Conan, Jay should have left the network once his contract was up, they did Jay and Conan dirty, Leno could have work at any network (other than CBS of course) but for some insane reason he decided to stay at NBC and therefore damage his own legacy and the Tonight Shows as well.
In 2008, Jay (still #1) was certainly being courted by ABC to be Jimmy Kimmel's lead-in. That's what panicked NBC into offering Leno a prime time show at 10:00pm. But after the prime time show tanked I don't recall Bill Carter mentioning in his book that Jay was getting such offers.
In 2009 (after the cancellation of the prime time show), Jay was offered a new 30 minute show that would move Conan's "Tonight Show" to midnight. Jay was not immediately sold on that plan, which prompted him and his producer to ask if it would be possible for them to be released from their contracts. NBC told them that wasn't going to happen. That's what went down there.
NBC refused to let him out of his contract. Jay was also trying to keep his staff employed. He did not damage his legacy. Also, it was Conan who screwed Jay over by getting him fired in the first place. I have no smpyatrhy for him whatsoever and he got what was coming to him.
Conan and his agent essentially had Jay Leno fired from a show he made #1. He owed Conan nothing.
@@catfishcooler1566 Exactly. Piss on Conan.
Have you seen the Podcast? I think its pretty clear why.
Conan is a legend..
Damn Howie... maybe let your guests talk during the interview once in a while. The girl was right to put him in check.
2 things:
1- to me personally..Conan is without a doubt the best . I don’t think anyone else compares.
2- HOWIE LET JAY FINISH HIS WORDS
Conan is the best by far imo. I try to remember that in an interview after he lost the tonight show, Conan said that he was fine and was taken care of. That no contracts were ever violated and he came out alright.
Connan's monologues were for dumb people, Jay's were for smarter people
@@Jesusisyhvh1 that is so adorable.
@@Jesusisyhvh1 Are you sure about that?
Good interview, including the daughter calling out her dad for interrupting the guest 👌👌👍👍
That was the only point in the interview she actually felt conforable being there. She appears so annoyed at Howie.
Whatever you do, don't let Leno talk
Omg I kept fast forwarding to hear the guest talking and it was just Howie omg
There is almost no difference between Howie Mamdel being on your podcast and you being on his 😎
Main difference is he asks you some questions on his podcast. But he doesn't let you answer and instead talks the whole time like he's the one being interviewed lol
@@GameTime-yj6qv7:20 his cohost, his daughter, even said the same haha.
I believe Conan. He seems the most honest. #teamcoco
I’m with you. How does Jay not mention this until 15 years later.
@@EJH-jn6mo because he just doesn't care. it's his business, not yours
What is Conan's take on what happened? My understanding is the Conan thought Jay was being spiteful.
Yes. Let's ignore the actual facts you just listened to.
@@starkicker5623oh he cares, he just wanted to wait until sometime has passed so he can form any narrative he wants. if Leno admitted that he made some mistakes in HOW HE HANDLED this…people would have a lot more respect for him. Carson didn’t bitch moan because Leno got the job. that wasn’t Carson style. Leno has refused to take ANY accountability. and pushing most of the blame on NBC (justifiably so) and an eager Conan who couldn’t stay in his lane and wait his turn. Leno had an motive that he won’t admit to but it’s very evident.
people who defend Leno are the same people who CANT take accountability for their actions. if so many people be saying the same thing about you, when do you start taking accountability and owning up with what you’re doing. Leno’s ego and emotions clouded his judgment. he should’ve seen the writing on the wall. accept it and move on.
Leno acted like one of those toxic girls you break up with who can’t accept you have moved on so you wait around, following the ex and the new boo around. and hoping that things go sour so you can slide back in.
This would be such a wonderful interview if Howie Mandell would let the guests talk. Thank you girl for calling him out
6:46 I have my criticisms of Leno, but I give him props for citing Craig Ferguson's inadvertent catalyst role in the late-2000s/early 2010s late night confusion. It's true he "gummed up" the works when he started battling Conan earnestly at 12;35a. Honestly Conan vs. Craig was a far more compelling contest to me than Jay vs. Dave (admittedly, as someone who is a big fan of both). I still think Craig's show is one of the most underheralded pieces of pop culture in the past 20 years.
It's funny in the fuller interview where Jay tells the story of an executive telling him that it wasn't enough to be #1, they wanted "what's above #1." It's actually one of those things that makes no sense when you say it out loud or read it as a standalone statement. And yet it completely sums up NBC's thinking at the time. "Beyond #1" to them, I think, meant "not just winning but monopolizing." They wanted Jay and Conan & they wanted Jay and Dave in the early '90s. They knew Jay was pliable and when he'd retort with "I'm #1," I think they wanted to lean on him in a way where they could keep other ambitious valuable properties (Dave, then Conan, then Fallon) without losing him. And criticize NBC all you want (and I have) but it worked! Jay still does Jay Leno's Garage for one of NBC's cable properties and Conan was devalued from network level by the time he left NBC.
Jay is still a douche tho.
Here comes the playas
Conan and Craig.... man, that's absolutely true. I would struggle to pick and see one if I got to choose the same time spot for my TV.
Conan was almost cancelled early if it wasnt for others like Leno and Letterman vouching for him. He wound up finding his niche and success eventually but why would you try to take someone elses show by demanding to NBC that he must get the tonight show in 5 years or else he is gone. Its like screwing over the people who helped save you. In the end when Conan took over the Tonight show he lost audience members and the advertisers who were losing money demanded to NBC that Leno come back. It was a shitty situation for all as NBC didnt want to get rid of Conan or Leno but couldnt keep one without losing the other. The fact that after Leno took off Tonight show and then they told him to leave again for Jimmy Fallon shows that it wasnt Lenos fault. Leno even visited Jimmy Fallon on the tonight show after Jimmy Fallon took over. This conflict between Leno and Conan was going to happen regardless because of their popularity.
@@mk17173n "why would you try to take someone else's show by demanding to NBC that he must get the tonight show in 5 years or else he is gone."
Simple: Because FOX' offer was huge. Conan had leverage and his agent used it. No different than Kusnick used her leverage to say "Give Jay the Tonight Show when Johnny retires and tell *no one* about it (Johnny included)."
Jay simply lost the show via the same tactic that got him the show in the first place.
Jay defenders seem to conveniently forget how much money Conan lost out on by turning FOX down and taking the chance he'd still be #1 at 12;35a for five years (and he wasn't unanimously....along came Craig Ferguson to push him). If you think it was galling for Conan to do what he did, you must have been equally appalled that Jay didn't just refuse to push for TTS and take CBS' offer instead in the early 1990s. Because he very easily could have.
Howie is gonna say that Jay made Conan's slot number 1? Pretty dumb if you ask me. Conan made that happen, not Jay.
He's like a less entertaining Howard Stern. Where they suck up to the guest big time lol
Well, Jay did provide Conan with a strong lead-in at 11:35 for many years. That certainly helped Conan.
Funny how Leno forgets that he wasn't number one for years when he first got the Tonight Show. It wasn't till the Hugh Grant interview did Leno become number one. Conan had six months.
@@monotech20.14 It wasn't years.. it was 18 months and Conan was on for 7 months. And one popular night doesn't make you number one for the next 17 years.
@@gallery7596and Must See TV on Thursday and Tuesday also helped Leno in terms of lead in. so it helped Leno too. i’m just trying to be consistent
Howie never stops talking
The problem I have with Jays side of the Late Night Wars is that Jay hung around and did not exit. Jay said he wasn’t going to beg to be with someone that doesn’t want to be with him yet Jay didn’t move on.
He was protecting his job and his staff, wouldn’t you? NBC was at fault here.
The fact that he took the job back after is a very bad look too. To protect his staff for two years? They were told 5 years in advance that the show will be replaced. Imagine the lead in to the prime talkshow is another talkshow who gets better guests... It's sad Conan lost both the big factors of him choosing the Tonight Show, which are to keep his library of amazing work on late night and ofcourse a raise. If he had chosen Fox he wouldve got the money but lost all access to his 16-17years worth of work.
@@superfreak3050 Jay chose the prime time offer because it allowed him to stay on a channel his audience was accustomed to finding him, and he got to keep his entire staff. Turned out to be a colossal mistake, but nobody can know for sure going in what kind of success or failure a show is going to have.
Yes, Conan should've chosen the *FOX* offer and the entire debacle could've been averted. But, obviously, that's with the benefit of hindsight, too.
@@superfreak3050 That was NBC who made that choice, there was never a exit contract for either Jay or Connan
@@gallery7596Conan was the sneaky scumbag that begged the network for his job.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again; The golden age of Late Night talk shows was the fortunately long period when we had Letterman, Leno AND Conan at the same time. We were spoiled back then, which would become evident when the next generation of hosts took over.
100%
It feels like Howie wanted Jay there more as a prop to act humbled and validated by Howie's revelations. Like he wanted him to get teary-eyed and be grateful that SOMEONE understood this complicated scenario. It felt like Howie concentrated more on finishing his theory than actually interviewing the person involved or hearing their interpretation.
Yes, Jay's motto is "never complain, never explain," so he's just never been particularly interested in actively defending himself. And haters are gonna think whatever they want anyway, so why bother?
Jay didn't need to be present for this interview. Blabber mouth Mandel wouldn't shut up!
I think Conan should interview jay instead😂
But seriously, I wanted to know more of Jay's side of the story, since Conan had always been the victim of this whole mess.
For the love of god just let the man speak
jay´s lawyer/manager howie vs stern, kimmel, conan, letterman. believable
The amount you of energy these comedian podcasters spend discussing the late night wars is astounding
First I've heard of it.
I remember it dominating the news at the time.
Don Ohlmeyer was so clueless. It's not surprising that he didn't want to keep Conan. He is the same guy that fired Norm MacDonald. Ohlmeyer was a horrible judge of talent. It's amazing that he was in charge for a long time.
THANK GOD FOR THIS LADY (sorry I'm not familiar with this channel) ! "Are you really going to cut him off to tell him how he thought?"
He is finally talking about it, interesting. I kinda wish he and Conan would reconcile at some point.
He gave Conan the tonight show. Then Jay came out of retirement with his boring prime time show. After he gave Conan his blessings. NBC is crooked, and so is Jay Leno. There's a reason no one likes this douchebag.
@@ted__ryan yeah his show had better ratings then anybody but no one liked him
*@John Dinh Nguyen* I think Jay would probably like to talk it out and put it behind them (much like he did years ago with Dennis Miller, and those two became friends). But, I don't know if Conan can ever let it go- especially when a lot of his fans seem to luxuriate in that hatred. For Team CoCo, it's as if it were still 2010, and I think that's regrettable both for them, and Conan.
@John Dinh Nguyen It was business, what makes people mad is that Conan got the short end of the stick because he seems like a genuinely nice person.
Why should he? Conan screwed him.
Leno would have never accepted another talk show to be his lead-in. He also wouldnt accept the move to midnight.
Jay should have drove his many cars into the sunset.
Wrongh. Jaty was #1. He didn't want to leave. Conan should respected Jay by leaving instead of demanding Jay be fired and he be given Jay's job. Conan was a scumbag. Period.
@RockMeAmadeus is this Jay Leno? Lmao why you going so hard to defend a conflict from like 15 years ago. Also Conan hosted Late night for like 15 years, Jay walked right in and hosted the tonight show, the flagship late night tv program in the US, as far as “paying dues” goes, Conan sat in the wing waiting for his turn lol, Jay walked in and stole it from Letterman
@RockMeAmadeus Conan wasnt granted the gift of time. NBC was full of so much panic. They didnt want to lose any of their talent.
Hell, Fallon didnt realize he was all games and no interview until well after the 6 month mark. I genuinely believe as a fan of all Late Night hosts, except Corden, that Conans Tonight Show AND Fergusons Late Late could've and would've succeeded together.
7:25 daughter let's Howie know
Long live Conan
🙏
It's pretty crazy because most comments I see on these kind of videos, or people that I talk to that have watched late night for years, from the 90s on, will say Conan is the best to ever do it, Letterman was great and Craig Ferguson was extremely underrated. There is very little mention of Leno and absolutely no mention of the current late night show hosts.
Jay fucked over Carson, Letterman, and Conan. The whole nice guy act is just that. An act. Norm was right about how shrewd and devious Jay is.
Norm was a punk
@RockMeAmadeus Norm was a punk
@@TonyVega123 you are a punk!
@RockMeAmadeus he levit said it all on conan you idiot. Look it up
Absolute BS. Johnny walked away on his owm. NBC offered the job to Jay. Conan screwed Jay over by getting him fired. Finally, Norm said Jay did nothing wrong. You're clueless.
This was the best explanation I have heard of this in 20 years
The biggest problem is that NBC's scheming made everyone look like a villain in the end. It was beyond stupid.
@@bryede I wish this was brought up by Conan and David Letterman at the time
@@johnklinger943 Yes, Dave mocked Jay for the "don't blame Conan" line, but the truth is the ratings for "The Tonight Show" started dropping when Conan took over as host- and Conan was regularly losing to Dave for months before there was a "Jay Leno Show" to blame. Dave's sex scandal admissions were also drawing viewers away from Conan's "Tonight Show," but, not surprisingly, he doesn't seem to admit this.
@@gallery7596 what exactly does anyone have to admit? does Clinton call Bush and say hey, your presidentship doesn't seem to be going too great, why don't you hand it back over. the guy who has the job has the job. don't be doing no under-handed stuff now.
@@araucariapasquale1 But Conan wasn't elected to his position. He was hired by the network that owns "The Tonight Show." Now, if you want to bring democracy into it, then judging by the ratings after his first week as host, a majority of viewers seemed to be rejecting Conan.
Be nice to hear Jay once in a while.
glad jay said the thing about people can't relate to them as tv people make so much money. it is so true. when tv guys are angry about whatever, but have 50 mil in the bank, it makes the rest of us wonder what they are mad about.
Back in the 90s Jay was synonymous with night TV, the 90s was awesome
This guy's tongue is so up Leno's butt that is amazing we can understand what he's saying.
I love Conan more than any other lare night / prime time personality. That being said the whole “let’s villain-ize Jay Leno” way of thinking is so old and worn out. TV is a big messy business
The thing is, it's not just Conan. Jay stuck the knife in the back twice, to both Conan, and Letterman 20 years earlier.
Conan stabbed Jay and himself when he agreed to *NBC's* weird 5 year plan to retire Jay. Letterman shot himself in the foot by not playing nice with the *NBC* execs who were deciding Carson's successor.
It would be nice if Howie actually let Jay talk
I feel sorry for the girl, witnessing her dad being like that
Jay..[GLUCK]...YOU...[GLUCK]...WERE...[GLUCK]...AWESOME.
Jay trying to change the narrative about supporting Conan 🤣
There's two sides to this story, and it's time Team CoCo recognized that Conan really IS to blame- at least in part- for what happened.
Thanks, Howie
The title of this video should be “howie mandel explains the late night wars to jay leno and jay leno is also there”
Jay "i just did what they tell me to do" Leno
*NBC* had Jay under contract, though, and they weren't gonna release him.
Can Howie not hear with those headphones on? He seems to constantly cut people off.
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Jay is a
W E A S E L
Conan only got 6 months jay Leno just said he got 18 months, and all he cared about was being popular rather than good. This does nothing to make jay look better IMO
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Seems to me you don't have a good understanding of the goal of a network. They must sell advertising. They must do that by getting viewers. FoxNews and CNN are horrible news organizations when compared to PBS and NPR, but FoxNews and CNN sell more advertising and make their networks money. That's why they are where they are. There have been many a successful show that sucked in my opinion but others that were so mature, so good, and yet they got cancelled because they had low ratings or cost a mint to make.
Jay "understood the assignment." It's that simple.
@@bechtoea IMO how NBC handled this situation just continued their downward spiral. I've never blamed Leno, but NBC is poorly run and now Fallon can't keep up with Colbert. Why not just let Leno stay when he was number 1 and allow Conan to leave and get work somewhere else? They tried to have their cake and eat it too.
@@pleaserewind295 Conan had the chance to go elsewhere but he couldn't resist the opportunity to be the host of "The Tonight Show." Otherwise, I agree completely with your assessment- and (as Bill Carter observed)
'you can't keep two people who want the same thing." But *NBC* tried and it was a huge failure that ended up hurting both guys.
"Howie tells Leno what happened"
Late night TV sure misses the likes of Jay and Conan.
Agreed! I like both of them and wish they both still had shows. I regret that the TTS fiasco went down the way it did. NBC was real villain, not Jay.
Howie’s side-kick is fully engaged and excited to be there!
Im glad that the girl had alot to say lol
7:37 let me tell what Howie was thinking:
"If I hear any more interruptions like that from you, young lady, you're in for a jolly good smacked bottom".
It’s refreshing to listen to a sensible famous person like Jay Leno.
Yeah that dishonorable job stealer
@@sayandeeppoddar7324 But Conan made a questionable deal to acquire Jay's job. He's not so innocent.
@@gallery7596 Jay said he was going to retire
@@sisib1389But Jay's retirement was forced on him by *NBC* after Conan signed a deal with them to become the new host of "The Tonight Show." It was the network that appealed to Jay not to make a fuss about it, and he did the gentlemanly thing and publicly congratulated Conan. It was *NBC* that changed their minds 5 years later when Jay stayed #1 in the ratings while Conan at 12:35am was losing ground to Ferguson.
I can’t believe Howie kissing Jays ass so much.
Let other people talk Howie 😆 "am I right? I know I'm right" jeez
frankly for me ist the network that fckd up not the these two comedians
Between this and the interview jay did with Oprah right after the whole debacle, you may just get what actually happened
I remember Oprah's quote "I feel like the people who are so angry with you, Jay, don't understand how television works."
What a control freak Howie Mandel is tho lol
Justice, injustice; correct, incorrect; narratives, counter-narratives
whatever. we just follow the comedian we like and defend them to the end.
One thing is probably true, tho -- Conan's style just was never right for the show Carson and Leno built.
Leno ain't my style, Conan is.
nice to watch howie interview howie
Howie let the guest talk for f sake
Howie overselling that golden throne..
For the love of God let Jay talk !!
This is why celebrity podcasts just don’t work. These clips are like a chore to listen to/watch. Hell, I even listened to the whole episodes to see if I took the conversations out of context/flow.
Leno touched on something that is often ignored in the whole Letterman/Conan camp: Jay inherited Johnny's audience, their sensibilities, their values, their worldview. Letterman would have alienated that whole crowd inside of a year. Conan would have done the same thing too, or he would have looked foolish trying to conform to their tastes.
I don't know if Dave would've alienated "The Tonight Show" audience, but I do think his inability to get along with the *NBC* executive branch (not to mention his more often that not second place ratings) would've gotten Dave forcibly retired a lot sooner than they tried to do with Jay. Going to *CBS* was the best decision Dave ever made, and (without either of them realizing it) Jay kinda' took a bullet for him staying. And Conan should've recognized that *NBC* was not an outfit to put your complete trust in.
Have always been interested with this situation. Those NBC execs, i think Jeff Zucker, put themselves in quite the pickle
Interesting story but would of been better if Howie didn't interrupt as much.
None of these guys can hold a candle to Johnny Carson.
Fallon is unwatchable. Conan would have been perfect for the Tonight Show. We lose
Leno beat Conan on ratings anyday
From the ratings point of view, Leno is the king, the guy just had something for everybody, but Conan didn't really get his chance.
Love Jay’s laid back attitude, and taking care of his staff.
What a genuine conversation 😊
I once uploaded some videos trying to start a boycott for NBC after what Leno did to Conan. I took them down after Conan's speech about cynicism. It's unconscionable and outright offensive that Jay (and you) is trying to rationalize his wicked behavior. Perhaps the time is right I make a rant and explain exactly why Jay Leno should be ashamed of himself. I know for an absolute fact that he would watch it. Don't even get me started on those private investigators and harassers he sent after me. "We will find who made this video" Jay told me in the comments. . . then you did. Do you know what being stocked like that does to a man?
It's currently been 12 years and 27 days, AND I WILL NEVER FORGET.
Edit : I'm not gonna make a video. I read what I wrote and thought "this is way too mean". All I can say is it's still a sensitive and emotional topic. Maybe Jay is just toying with us, he is a heartless bastard afterall and factually speaking I AM BETTER THAN HIM.
It's time to show the receipts if you are going to make such statements. I'd be interested.
@@TheTarrMan I look forward to your receipts.
*@TheTarrMan* RE: "Don't even get me started on those private investigators and harassers he sent after me. "We will find who made this video" Jay told me in the comments . . . then you did. Do you know what being stocked like that does to a man?
So, Jay Leno, a multi-millionaire with a busy career in standup and host of his own car show sent private investigators and harrassers to [stalk] you?
Well, isn't that something.
RE: "...Conan who at least looked after his 300+ staff (that moved clear across the country from New York to California for this job that was supposed to be more than just another opportunity)."
Yes, Conan's entire staff who lost their jobs as a direct result of Conan's decision to resign. As we know, *NBC* actually wanted him to stay as host of "The Tonight Show," but Conan said "no," and took the buy-out money.
So, not only could he afford to be generous, he actually owed those people for putting all of them out of work.
Wierdo
@@Jesusisyhvh1 I'm not gonna make a video dude. I read what I wrote and thought "this is way too mean". All I can say is it's a sensitive and emotional topic for me.
I cannot watch this with Howie constantly interrupting. Holy cow dude
I can’t believe how rude Howie Mandel was to Jay. He cut him off all the time.
Nah, they're friends, going back decades - and here Jay actually prefers Howie telling it like it was, because Jay still shies away from that.
Jay Leno totally handled this terribly. Not only selfish, but the way he did it tarnished his reputation. His behavior was shameful
If Conan had turned down *NBC's* proposal to forcibly retire Jay:
-he could've had a show at *ABC*
-or a show at *FOX* with a salary almost twice what *NBC* was offering,
-an earlier start time,
-he wouldn't have had to wait 5 years to get it,
-and Jay and his staff could've stayed on at "The Tonight Show."
The entire debacle would've been averted if Conan had said no to *NBC.*
“Forcibly retire?” Give me a break. He said he’d give the show to Conan. It’s very selfish of jay. That show was a legacy till Jay came and ruined it
@@johnlanton9363 RE: "He said he’d give the show to Conan."
You think Jay had a choice? Conan taking over "The Tonight Show" was decided before Jay knew a thing about it. Conan could've at least respectfully consulted Jay first. But he didn't, and so Jay was shocked when they informed him.
*"The War For Late Night: When Leno Went Early & Television Went Insane by Bill Carter."* Read it for yourself and see.
@@gallery7596 Are you Leno's lawyer or something?
@@stacyparenteau4390 Are you the president of Team CoCo?
Before talking about how Leno "sabotaged" Conan and booted him off of The Tonight Show, it's important to remember that Conan "sabotaged" Leno and booted him off of The Tonight Show first. However, at least Conan got to leave willfully of his own accord and got a $45 million payday out of it. Leno didn't get to choose, and his reward was to be dragged through the mud by short-sighted journalists who told less than half of the story regarding the situation, even though Leno and Conan behaved in no more or less self-interested ways in their decisions.
RE: "Leno and Conan behaved in no more or less self-interested ways in their decisions."
I agree, and I remember Oprah saying of this situation *"I feel like those who are blaming Jay don't really understand how television works."*
Well put
Let's talk about the cutting of that paper bag
Letterman and Howard Stern always cried about Leno. In the end Leno was number 1 so the right decision was made.
Not right away, Dave was winning until the Hugh Grant hooker admission episode, and Dave was never far behind even after that.
I agree, DON’T BLAME CONAN! I love ya howie, but let him buy you a drunk first.
Howie's daughter has a lovely laugh! So contagious that I would rather hear her laugh than any of today's pop music. Just a sweet, graceful sound.
yeah I'm lonely too
You're thirsty and pathetic.
Cringe comment ooof
The only interview I ever saw whereby the interviewer took more of the show than interviewee!!. I like Howie but, this time around he f..... it up.
Conan's agents screwed him big time by not having time slot guarantee protection in his contract. If he had that NBC could never have moved him to midnight. Conan could have gotten $20 million a year and created his own thing at Fox. He was so fixated on the Tonight Show as if he was taking over ftom Carson.
@@Joe-xt5tq BS. Conan is the one who should have f;d off as Jay never should have been forced out to begin with. And it was out of Jay's hands because NBC agreed to Conan's demands and fired Jay. It takes a real POS to demand someone elses job.
Also, There wasn't anything Jay could do about it. Conan fucked JAY over and got him fired. Conan embarrassed himself by trying to make himself out to be an innocent victim after all the BS he pulled to get Jay fired in the first place. Yoru hero Conan is not an innocent person. he is a scumbag.
Couldn't agree more.
@RockMeAmadeus right. Taking a show on tbs then quietly leaving is narracistic. There is something very odd about Jay’s “oh I don’t know anything and I don’t have an agent as chucks” attitude. Not saying jay is guilty of anything, but there is something off about what he’s saying.
@RockMeAmadeus Jay didn’t have a manager, he had an agent though. Also the name Conan is so prevalent in the branding because 1, no other host shared that name, and 2, that was the literal name of his show, branding/merch for the show CONAN was obviously going to heavily feature the name Conan lol
@RockMeAmadeus love how you easily skipped over the fact that one of ur statements was false, Jay Leno did in fact have an agent. And this is so funny, it was a new show, staring Conan O’Brien, he was formative in its creation, all the other shows mentioned by you were developed by networks, then had a host search, obviously they couldn’t just be named after one person lol. Also u seem to willfully be forgetting that Jay developed the JAY LENO SHOW. Also there are like 20 late night tv host’s, what tf are u on lmao
Conan is for real funny.
A valuable piece of ShowBiz history, but Howey being a Leno Stan was heartbreaking for me.
So you don't like hearing what really happened?