Apologies for taking so long to get to the actual transformation! After watching the special I thought beginning from the initial buildup would be a nice place to begin and so likewise I would therefore start from the same place with Z. However I completely underestimated how much FILLER there was with Z 😳. So I added the chapters feature so you could navigate easily if you wanted to get to the main transformation 🙂
@@FlocksFigs Yeah I wanted to keep it consistent with the last video/comparison which also looked at Z. The original episode is also a classic which is why I stuck with it :)
And where are we supposed to compare to paper metal rock plastic look the most similar so people are going to compare it to plastic simple as that point blank.
In the remake the smoke kurilin leaves behind is just grey instead of red in the original, it's a detail that really made the difference to me, in the original that cloud of blood really made the scene that much darker
even though the art style of the original is iconic, i really do feel like the new one takes good advantage of being digital art, because with digital its much easier to preview animation as youre making it, the animation in the new one looks more precise. im loving this series forgotten relics!! i hope you also look at the animated remakes from the ultimate tenkaichi videogame, if you didnt already
There is nothing wrong with praising the Faulconer soundtrack. I agree with you that the piece used emphasized every little moment of that transformation making it all the more dramatic. The way the song goes from sad/somewhat calm to more intense as Goku's rage builds fit so well. Not to mention that the main chord kept repeating throughout the transformation and didn't complete itself until goku finally transformed. When I think of super saiyan in musical form I still think of that song.
I don't really know which one to choose, it's hard for me, the dub soundtrack was more iconic, but the original made scene feel more dark, the only negative was that we heard it many times previously. Ehh, I'll go with the dub also then.
Thank you man for watching the video! And yeah as I much as I love Shunsuke Kikuchi work, there is something equally chilling about the Faulconer soundtrack🙂 . I think both deserve equal respect! Although I can't help but wonder that if Kikuchi composed tracks like Cell's theme or the SSJ3 theme, would fans instantly start praising it?
The new one isn't bad but it's still a victim of that bright plastic look. It doesn't matter if something is HD, if it's all pretty colors and stays flat it's just not impressive. The original along with its extra build up is leagues better because of this, the artwork is detailed and fantastic, with the coloring while dated fits the mood perfectly. We don't need bright colors to see what's going on the dark tones are supposed to be that way. Everything about new DB artwork is so pointy and sharp and while that does look crisp it just feels too superficial like it wouldn't hurt to round out some of the art. I miss the old days of Akira Toriyama design, this new age just feels like it's meant for cheap mass production to milk a franchise.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Not to mention Bruce's music really made it popular in the first place. It was so epic. Without it and the yelling goku, this entire transformation scene is dull as hell.
The important aspect to note about the new one is that although it is made by Yuya Takahashi, it is apparently heavily corrected by (or to fit according to the modern DragonBall character design of) Tadayoshi Yamamuro. It makes one wonder how an original Yuya Takahashi sequence would stand when compared to the orginal.
Going of the genga (what little of it there is available) he seemed to be on model so it's hard to say exactly how corrected he actually was. I think we would've seen a major change if he intentionally ignored the character sheets or if the special had a different character designer. Though it's hard to say if the style we saw in 114 was something developed overtime since his earlier work on modern dragonball or if it was always his approach to drawing Dragonball🤔
The original still gives me chills even rn everytime you replayed the transformation mixed in with your voice it still gave me chills every single time that’s how iconic that moment was and for ever will masaki is the goat
I've always thought that filler is a fairly nebulous term, so thank you for your very nuanced take on it. Honestly I think for something like DB/DBZ, without a thorough guide like this, there is no real way to gauge at a glance what is filler or not. Also I gotta say how I think you shouting out artists at the beginning of your videos is so commendable. Considering how much art theft unfortunately goes on, the fact that you shout them out for no other reason than to help with them on the grind, is baller dude. Top bloke.
Freiza’s attack switching from a ball to a beam was something I’ve noticed before but I always figured it was a way to show how fast it was going. You see the attack in wide angle lead up shots with a lot of ground for it to cover. But when it hits Piccolo it’s a much smaller area. Like when a car is driving past you, you see it just fine on the approach but right in front of you it’s just a blur.
completely agree with the faulconer take, the part with his hair changing mixing with the music.. it all comes together to make something amazing and iconic.
I'm usually quite partial to original JP soundtracks and voice acting but the best version of this transformation for me is the US dub with the US soundtrack, the moment he turns SSJ with that scream marking the exact transition and the eyes going blank is just perfect and the best transformation scene ever.
Especially in the moment of the transformation, the original is far, far better. The raw emotion, the explosion of rage, power, it's incredible. The art was rawer, the effects well thought out. It does extend things too long to get to it, but the thought behind each moment is much better. The remake is just a flashy showcase, but it misses the substance.
great vid as always, i didn't get to watch it the full way through yesterday, but honestly i went into it thinking i'd hate the modern version, and whilst the art style is still shit compared to og, the effects on Kuririn and Piccolos death are very sleek.
Imagine being in charge of drawing the first transformation daum that must’ve motivated the hell out of the artists it looks so fun honestly minus the deadlines they had 😅
Takahashi has god-like art and it shows with the side shot of Goku's veiny arm, but I can't get myself to like the modern Yamamuro art direction that animators have to base their models upon. I hate how artificial the whole show looks. In the past it's almost as if the characters were made of flesh and bones, despite having more rough and primitive animation tools. I loathe the day when they switched to digital art. It works for independent artists who have time to refine their works, but animations have gotten so much worse overall (not only in Dragon Ball) that I can't help but jump onto the boomer-like criticism and say "it was so much better back in the days". And I know it's not bias, I know it's not nostalgia goggles. There is an animation analysis video where Vegeta's Final Flash scenes are compared, and Z has so many more transition effects, proper model consistency and so on.
*Akira Toriyama* is indeed the Author and Illustrator (but not of the third) of all three Dragon Ball (DB, DBZ, DBS) I was wrong to think so. I am however personally a fan of *Yuya Takahashi's* take on Akira Toriyama's art
My only gripe is that Dragon Ball at this point is an iconic franchise. It deserves top tier animation for every episode of Super. I concede that that’s easier said than done, *but* it’s undeniable that Dragon Ball content is essentially a license to print money, and high quality animation would really bring in a lot of fans that have been put off from the plasticky look
Again, I have to give it to the original for how it plays out, special mention on the expressions Goku makes before going Super Saiyan along with the loud roar. Also I honestly did not notice some of the errors on Z until just now.
I'm well aware Dragon Ball Z had some episodes with really bad off-key animations, but Super has never topped the kind of animation we saw in Goku vs Vegeta (Kaioken x 3 sequence), or Vegeta vs Recoome, or SSJ Goku vs Full Power Freiza (right before Namek blew up). The artwork was super detailed, gritty, and bloody beautiful.
First of all, welcome back and I would love for you to do another video on masunaga ,I love his art in cell arc and boo arc,his art is more appealing than Yamamuro's, to me he is a legend then and now, please and stay safe
original anime adapt = makes me literally feel his emotion and the moment of transformation i am so invested by the build up i feel like im transforming with him its so intense. remake of anime adapt = its shorter so im honestly not invested at all . While the art is more polished it takes away from the look of exhaustion making the situation feel less important . the transformation was so effortless it made his emotion seem less along the line of losing people in his heart and more like he had coffee spilled on his favorite shoes . it isnt a rush explosion that stays constant its just oh pop im stronger.
@@jasonone8726 thats a book this is visiual not only are they speaking theres no space constraints and theres time to fill the execution done for dramatic effect is vastly better then pop done lets move on
@@alexispryde5415 Doesn't matter what it is, it's how it was done, it's a faithful adaptation, the Z anime just did it much differently, good differently.
@@jasonone8726 thats literally the weakest excuse - there are things done in book form that do not translate to the same effect in visiual media and vice-versa example it - literally every show or movie done to book 100% no fill no reduce have become resounding failures called dry rushed and confusing . second example if they took infinity war from the comics at 100% recreation not only would people pop up that you never knew but the entire movie would be over in 20 mins on a constant jump from fight to fight literally nobody wants that . this is a classic case of you have no idea what it really means to say you want it 100% manga translated - final example - keep in mind that the creator himself made it with the intent to draw out the emotional effect and when asked said the original convayed his intent. so not only is your point arguing against the reality of the situation its literally against the creator himself . i realize it takes effort but really taking a look at what it is you are asking for is important .
@@jasonone8726 also note - the version that you call better is also called - dry ,rushed,empty.boring,and confusing at points . so.... do you want it to be sucessfull to bring in people and subsequently continue or do you want it to open to mid to low reviews near everyone doesnt like it and it fails to dye on the vine . mind you the creator was so pissed he came out of retirement to fix this .
Thank you! Although I do believe he did a breakdown on the original Broly movie which was very well done so although rare he has delved outside of Super! And yes like Crazy Panda said DBanimators has some great videos on Z although I only wish he made more😃 Highly recommend his channel :)
The transformation itself is done very well in the remake but it always seems like that's the main focus of that scene, in the remake. Nothing else, that is to say everything outside of the transformation sequence itself, out does the original animation nor does it enhance the manga in my opinion.
imo, the manga is the best. cant really beat the expressions, and honestly i dont know how they are going to animate that, for example, small detail like white/blank pupils, really adds to the desperations, fear, restlessness, and anger of those characters of goku team. and probably cant really do that because they cant just randomly change the eye color, maybe they could, i dunno, i would like to see that. another is like goku's sweat dropped indicating that he's upset/troubled/worried etc. and pronounced black strokes/lines on gokus eyes. really sells goku's face from being helpless, and getting reaaally angry. i was like "oh shit frieza, you dont wanna do this...dont push it!" when i read it as a kid. but of course i give credit to the OG DBZ and the remake to prolong the scene as the source material is quite short.
Wondering if you could ever compare them to the Ulimate Tenkaichi scenes, they reanimated tons of iconic scenes for that game so would be interesting to see your take on the differences
I always thought the ball that hits piccolo turning into a beam was part of the attack. Like the instant it hits him it became like a piercing beam that shot through him in both directions. Freeza did have some unique attacks. Or it was a beam the whole time but only became visible after it hit him because of the speed of it since they didn't have much time to react to it.
To me the original is better if only for one simple reason. The first time seeing Goku snap and go super saiyan was one of the coolest moments from the whole run. With the new one it doesn't have that surprise and cool factor that the original had.
Original is definitely great, but for me they are both quite equal in terms of build-up. I liked how they changed it so Piccolo took the beam for Goku. The yell was a fantastic edition. And the Funi dub Bruce background music enhanced this scene BEYOND belief! But for the first time one of the ONLY drawbacks is the style choice. Immediately you can see how AWFUL Krillin looks at the start. The stylish aura was quite amazing to see. The "pwik" moment where it clicks for Goku was really well-done, an actual balance between source material faithfulness and taking liberties. But what I hate is that new hairstyle that they're using for SSJ. Where it's SO detailed, with the yellows looking gross and saturated yet too dull at the same time? The original ssj style has ALWAYS been my favorite. Where it's a softer yellow for the brightness, with a sorta orangey-yellow shadow, often being more yellow than orange. The original will be on-top because the struggle it showed for Goku obtaining the SSJ form. And the fact his eyes go white and then he lets out an EXPLOSIVE yell is just.. 👌. It's what made this scene ICONIC. Usually filler or changed material isn't as good as the manga. But the fact Akira just breezed through it felt so lackluster when I first read the manga. For the first time I actually quite enjoy both almost on equal footing. With the original, of course, having an advantage.
@Alex McDonald People still use that as an excuse of it being "bad" when its usage wasnt executed in the best way at times. I disagree with the Ginyu Force theme not fitting at all.
@Alex McDonald Because they are at the end of the day an elite fighting squad of the biggest asshole in the universe. It helps the story when you remind the viewers that a threat is present. They are a "parody" yet I see them beat the crap out of a Saiyan whose an asshole who we all assumed was a beast, a broke the neck of a child so easily. Plus, they were accompanied by silly music anyway.
take my opinion with a grain of salt, but i feel like goku vs frieza would really shine with keisuke masunaga, what with his fast and furious approach with the dbz fights. now back to the main video, i like both. when the ssj transformation is in play, i feel like goku's rage is more expressed in the original one, but you cannot deny that the effects on the remake is superb, from the background in piccolo being shot, to the effects when krillin blew up to the seeping yellow aura when the transformation takes place. i also like how the death beam was shown as if it was almost instantaneous and sudden. all in all, i prefer the remake due to the more superb effects, but you can say what you want. i have no right to judge you, and you have no right to judge me.
Both but for me personally the older one cuz the right we saw that art more after training so ssj was trained to only look like that but also in strength
The reason he did match it too the manga is because the anime and manga are different timelines hence why both goku's are different ages and why the anime and manga have slight and sometimes drastic changes like different dialog, transformation, and how interactions so he was doing a remake of the anime's scene not the manga's version of the scene.
@@zelohendricks51 They actually are all the difference are in the JP dub I've watched manga Goku is older and in the Cell arc ya know how in DBZK Vegeta didn't go ssj when going the distraction shot for Gohan and Goku, also the manga showed that Goku was clearly using Astral projection when he touched Gohan's shoulder and then told him to him his combined power and they shot cell into literally space none of that happened in the anime like at in both dubs also in dbs Goku is smarter he also trained and found a way to combine Grade 4 ssj with SSB to make MSSB after the U6 tourment which is stronger than SSBE which is SSB and Super Vegeta combined. Goku black in the manga also went through SSJ and SSJ2 before Rose and even made a more in depth explanation about rose saying it's different from blue in thar it's just Zamasu's ki interacting with the body rather then SSB which is god and SSJ combined. Goku in the manga also tells everyone the truth about the T.O.P. Oh in the DBZ manga Trunks says that Gotenks defused due to the timelimt and the next page is Gohan half way done with the 1hr awakening ritual, also in the manga Goku never shows Goten and Trunks SSJ3 so when they unlock it they think it's a new form. See different timelines and Toriyama himself even acknowledges them as different timelines/continuities and he and Toyotaro consider the manga the most cannon because they had complete control and the dbs movies use the manga characters because Toriyama writes them and forces the team to follow his movie scripts exactly as written. So as you can see you have absolutely know idea about what your talking about whereas I who has seen literally everything in dragonball as I do with things I grew up with or really like and several DB TH-camrs can attest to the differences I just listed. Now Xenoblade X-3 (nice name by the way) you have a goodnight.
While OG has a special place in my heart, I gotta say... the remake is far better paced overall. The original has the usual pacing problems that affected the entire Frieza arc, and the build up is just too long, to the point of being distracting. Particularly the moments between Krilin's death and Goku snapping. You end up screaming to Frieza "Just finish him off already!!". In the remake, on the other hand, the build up lingers just long enough to feel Goku's anger, but without over staying its welcome. However, the remake lacks Goku's yell. Yes, it's true that's closer to the manga, but the scream was the one addition that elevated the scene and made it even more iconic than it already was. If the remake added the yell while keeping roughly the same pace, then it'd be pretty much the definitive version.
Didn't the video game Ultimate Tenkaichi(i think) also remake the scene? I guess, you didn't mention it cus it was a shot by shot remake of the Anime version?
I fucking love Takahashi but I love the original more because of the hair that’s what I see super Sayain one as when The mutation is used for the first time not as the super spiky hair like we see in Super Saiyan Sayain 2 or a little bit of perfected Super Saiyan
So this is one of the very VERY few times I actually dislike Toriyama's choices on a splash panel. The angle is really interesting (view is Frieza's POV) but Goku's hair looks weird and the line of his body when he's standing also looks a bit forced? Stiff? Posed maybe. While imo the build up is very good in the classic scene, the characters look better in the modern version. Then again, I am a big Yuya Takahashi fan. I'm subbed to his YT channel after all! ED: Oh yeah, so I never considered the beam a mistake. I look at it as an artistic choice to show the viewer the path the attack took for dramatic effect and that as it reaches the target it speeds up so fast it leaves almost an after image. Compare how in a lot of 80s animation car head lights left a kind of square/blocky after image for dramatic effect.
I don't understand what Toei is waiting for to continue with Dragon ball Super. Masako nozawa won't live forever and this year she will be 86 years old! If we assume that the new series airs this year and lasts at least 3 years, it means that masako will be 89 by then. Will she still be able to play Goku by then? Japanese fans are not going to accept another voice for the character (neither am I).
Kazenshuu has the credits for each episode of Z and the entire series in general. Additionally, animators like Sato, Kan'no and Ebisawa have pretty distinguishable styles so there pretty easy to pick up. However, when I'm unsure I'll check out dbanimators website, he has a really good eye and is quite knowledgeable about the series! Highly recommend if you're interested in the animators that worked on Dragon Ball. dbanimators.altervista.org/dbrewatch-8/?doing_wp_cron=1610955260.1038520336151123046875
I think the new one is better animated. My problem with modern dragon ball is how it looks like plastic, and feels unrealistic. Dragon Ball is not a realistic show but to me atleast it feels like its better with less shading
Apologies for taking so long to get to the actual transformation! After watching the special I thought beginning from the initial buildup would be a nice place to begin and so likewise I would therefore start from the same place with Z. However I completely underestimated how much FILLER there was with Z 😳. So I added the chapters feature so you could navigate easily if you wanted to get to the main transformation 🙂
interesting how you went with Z instead of Kai
@@FlocksFigs Yeah I wanted to keep it consistent with the last video/comparison which also looked at Z. The original episode is also a classic which is why I stuck with it :)
It’s a pay day for them bro no one’s getting tired haha
Wonder if the voice actors get tired of redoing these scenes in anime remakes and new dragon ball games.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing, it certainly can be a monotonous line of work
@@forgottenrelics1197 i will say the remake cuz it looks like the graphics from dragon ball super
Probably do
For as long as dbz yeah but at the same time you relive these legendary moment
I imagine they get paid well enough to suck it up
The OG just fits perfectly with its gritty and brutal atmosphere while the new one isn't really that bad it's just too modern like plastic.
I hate when you people use plastic to describe modern Dragon Ball. Its so overused to the point of cringe.
@@supermysticsonic2 Yeah, to be honest, It doesn’t feel like a critic anymore, just like a joke
@@supermysticsonic2 If it didn't fit with the overall design and style of Yamamoro then folks wouldn't use it probably.
@@supermysticsonic2 😂
And where are we supposed to compare to paper metal rock plastic look the most similar so people are going to compare it to plastic simple as that point blank.
The moment of rage just before the transformation was complete IS the moment that made SSJ so iconic imo!
In the remake the smoke kurilin leaves behind is just grey instead of red in the original, it's a detail that really made the difference to me, in the original that cloud of blood really made the scene that much darker
even though the art style of the original is iconic, i really do feel like the new one takes good advantage of being digital art, because with digital its much easier to preview animation as youre making it, the animation in the new one looks more precise. im loving this series forgotten relics!! i hope you also look at the animated remakes from the ultimate tenkaichi videogame, if you didnt already
Great idea! I was never really aware of those remakes until making this video but I could continue this and perhaps make it a series🙂
New needs more vibrant colors. It looks like greasy plastic. Goku looks gross to touch
No
Only noobs like it I'm an original and I hate the new style
FINALLY! AN HONEST REVIEW, NONE OF THAT "new one bad, old one good" SHIT
There is nothing wrong with praising the Faulconer soundtrack. I agree with you that the piece used emphasized every little moment of that transformation making it all the more dramatic. The way the song goes from sad/somewhat calm to more intense as Goku's rage builds fit so well. Not to mention that the main chord kept repeating throughout the transformation and didn't complete itself until goku finally transformed. When I think of super saiyan in musical form I still think of that song.
Yeah man it's a classic and very well put!
I thought you died
I don't really know which one to choose, it's hard for me, the dub soundtrack was more iconic, but the original made scene feel more dark, the only negative was that we heard it many times previously. Ehh, I'll go with the dub also then.
I love both. The original is a classic, well paced. The new one has a "click" moment that I really digg.
Agreed!
Excellent work as always. And also thanks for giving praise to the Faulconer soundtrack, it still surprises me how many people dislike it
Thank you man for watching the video! And yeah as I much as I love Shunsuke Kikuchi work, there is something equally chilling about the Faulconer soundtrack🙂 . I think both deserve equal respect! Although I can't help but wonder that if Kikuchi composed tracks like Cell's theme or the SSJ3 theme, would fans instantly start praising it?
Just focus on the millions that love it ! 😉
The new one isn't bad but it's still a victim of that bright plastic look. It doesn't matter if something is HD, if it's all pretty colors and stays flat it's just not impressive. The original along with its extra build up is leagues better because of this, the artwork is detailed and fantastic, with the coloring while dated fits the mood perfectly. We don't need bright colors to see what's going on the dark tones are supposed to be that way. Everything about new DB artwork is so pointy and sharp and while that does look crisp it just feels too superficial like it wouldn't hurt to round out some of the art. I miss the old days of Akira Toriyama design, this new age just feels like it's meant for cheap mass production to milk a franchise.
Honestly some of the skin tones where fine, it was more so the highlights as well as Yamauro's style of shading that gave the more rigid look.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Not to mention Bruce's music really made it popular in the first place. It was so epic. Without it and the yelling goku, this entire transformation scene is dull as hell.
@@ColinOfDaventry Sorry to say I'm not a fan of the Bruce score. Not any of his music.
@@ColinOfDaventry Didn't the transformation become iconic before the Amercian dub? It already was famous in its home country
@@Darth1Marik how look at the gohan anger theme or vegtas majin theme or ssj theme or ssj3 theme
The important aspect to note about the new one is that although it is made by Yuya Takahashi, it is apparently heavily corrected by (or to fit according to the modern DragonBall character design of) Tadayoshi Yamamuro. It makes one wonder how an original Yuya Takahashi sequence would stand when compared to the orginal.
Going of the genga (what little of it there is available) he seemed to be on model so it's hard to say exactly how corrected he actually was. I think we would've seen a major change if he intentionally ignored the character sheets or if the special had a different character designer. Though it's hard to say if the style we saw in 114 was something developed overtime since his earlier work on modern dragonball or if it was always his approach to drawing Dragonball🤔
Interesting that the Original sees Goku’s aura as a burning Flame
But the remake sees goku’s rage as a lightning
The original still gives me chills even rn everytime you replayed the transformation mixed in with your voice it still gave me chills every single time that’s how iconic that moment was and for ever will masaki is the goat
I've always thought that filler is a fairly nebulous term, so thank you for your very nuanced take on it. Honestly I think for something like DB/DBZ, without a thorough guide like this, there is no real way to gauge at a glance what is filler or not.
Also I gotta say how I think you shouting out artists at the beginning of your videos is so commendable. Considering how much art theft unfortunately goes on, the fact that you shout them out for no other reason than to help with them on the grind, is baller dude. Top bloke.
I’m really glad you’re channel is starting to blow up. You deserve it for having such amazing content!!
Thank you man it's quite humbling.
Freiza’s attack switching from a ball to a beam was something I’ve noticed before but I always figured it was a way to show how fast it was going. You see the attack in wide angle lead up shots with a lot of ground for it to cover. But when it hits Piccolo it’s a much smaller area. Like when a car is driving past you, you see it just fine on the approach but right in front of you it’s just a blur.
I like the new one when it comes to that shot of goku staring at frieza after transforming
Top notch content man
Thank you man I appreciate it.
The enviroment / atmosphere of Krillin's explosion is really good on the new one
Nice analysis 🔥👍
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :)
completely agree with the faulconer take, the part with his hair changing mixing with the music.. it all comes together to make something amazing and iconic.
Back at it again with the amazing in depth review ❤️
Thanks man🤠
The original has a special charm to it
Yea it does
@Raheb it's called looking better then the new one
@@pingaspearce9403 huge difference between the style of 90s and 201xs
I'm usually quite partial to original JP soundtracks and voice acting but the best version of this transformation for me is the US dub with the US soundtrack, the moment he turns SSJ with that scream marking the exact transition and the eyes going blank is just perfect and the best transformation scene ever.
Especially in the moment of the transformation, the original is far, far better. The raw emotion, the explosion of rage, power, it's incredible. The art was rawer, the effects well thought out. It does extend things too long to get to it, but the thought behind each moment is much better. The remake is just a flashy showcase, but it misses the substance.
Thanks again for featuring me this week!
Ayyy man no problem!
Imo the remake version is less expressive, at least make the eyeball disappear when Goku is transforming
Most underrated TH-camrs
I agree to all of this. And I actually didn't remeber all of this
6:30,the purple might be done for...dramatic effect.
Its always nice to see something great about the new one despite the Tadayoshi modern style.
Yeah I thought so to originally however the fact that it switches back after a bit of dialogue makes me wonder
great vid as always, i didn't get to watch it the full way through yesterday, but honestly i went into it thinking i'd hate the modern version, and whilst the art style is still shit compared to og, the effects on Kuririn and Piccolos death are very sleek.
Imagine being in charge of drawing the first transformation daum that must’ve motivated the hell out of the artists it looks so fun honestly minus the deadlines they had 😅
So glad I found your channel man, I absolutely love your videos
Takahashi has god-like art and it shows with the side shot of Goku's veiny arm, but I can't get myself to like the modern Yamamuro art direction that animators have to base their models upon.
I hate how artificial the whole show looks. In the past it's almost as if the characters were made of flesh and bones, despite having more rough and primitive animation tools.
I loathe the day when they switched to digital art. It works for independent artists who have time to refine their works, but animations have gotten so much worse overall (not only in Dragon Ball) that I can't help but jump onto the boomer-like criticism and say "it was so much better back in the days".
And I know it's not bias, I know it's not nostalgia goggles. There is an animation analysis video where Vegeta's Final Flash scenes are compared, and Z has so many more transition effects, proper model consistency and so on.
You Never realized how impactful these scenes are till you watch em with no audio and still tear up lmaoo
I love Yuya Takahashi's art style and I think DBZ and DBS should've like this.
Fantastic Bro Need more videos like this
Thanks :)
*Akira Toriyama* is indeed the Author and Illustrator (but not of the third) of all three Dragon Ball (DB, DBZ, DBS) I was wrong to think so. I am however personally a fan of *Yuya Takahashi's* take on Akira Toriyama's art
Yup that dudes a beast. He should have did all of super
hey, a demonic spirit has possession of your account, does it? bet it been attempting to ominously link you with it, right?
she playing the wild card game, only the demon is pretending to be in that situation.
Yamamuro’s style is beautiful when done right.
My only gripe is that Dragon Ball at this point is an iconic franchise. It deserves top tier animation for every episode of Super. I concede that that’s easier said than done, *but* it’s undeniable that Dragon Ball content is essentially a license to print money, and high quality animation would really bring in a lot of fans that have been put off from the plasticky look
The Broly movie proves this
If the animators weren't rushed, most of the show could've looked better, like the first 3 episodes, most of TOP looked good at least.
Again, I have to give it to the original for how it plays out, special mention on the expressions Goku makes before going Super Saiyan along with the loud roar. Also I honestly did not notice some of the errors on Z until just now.
I'm well aware Dragon Ball Z had some episodes with really bad off-key animations, but Super has never topped the kind of animation we saw in Goku vs Vegeta (Kaioken x 3 sequence), or Vegeta vs Recoome, or SSJ Goku vs Full Power Freiza (right before Namek blew up). The artwork was super detailed, gritty, and bloody beautiful.
Never topped? I hope that's a joke
I love how at the time of me watching this there is a single dislike and like 200 likes
First of all, welcome back and I would love for you to do another video on masunaga ,I love his art in cell arc and boo arc,his art is more appealing than Yamamuro's, to me he is a legend then and now, please and stay safe
original anime adapt = makes me literally feel his emotion and the moment of transformation i am so invested by the build up i feel like im transforming with him its so intense.
remake of anime adapt = its shorter so im honestly not invested at all . While the art is more polished it takes away from the look of exhaustion making the situation feel less important . the transformation was so effortless it made his emotion seem less along the line of losing people in his heart and more like he had coffee spilled on his favorite shoes . it isnt a rush explosion that stays constant its just oh pop im stronger.
I mean that's how it was in the original manga, the transformation was quick, with no build up and no scream also.
@@jasonone8726 thats a book this is visiual not only are they speaking theres no space constraints and theres time to fill the execution done for dramatic effect is vastly better then pop done lets move on
@@alexispryde5415 Doesn't matter what it is, it's how it was done, it's a faithful adaptation, the Z anime just did it much differently, good differently.
@@jasonone8726 thats literally the weakest excuse - there are things done in book form that do not translate to the same effect in visiual media and vice-versa example it - literally every show or movie done to book 100% no fill no reduce have become resounding failures called dry rushed and confusing . second example if they took infinity war from the comics at 100% recreation not only would people pop up that you never knew but the entire movie would be over in 20 mins on a constant jump from fight to fight literally nobody wants that . this is a classic case of you have no idea what it really means to say you want it 100% manga translated - final example - keep in mind that the creator himself made it with the intent to draw out the emotional effect and when asked said the original convayed his intent. so not only is your point arguing against the reality of the situation its literally against the creator himself . i realize it takes effort but really taking a look at what it is you are asking for is important .
@@jasonone8726 also note - the version that you call better is also called - dry ,rushed,empty.boring,and confusing at points . so.... do you want it to be sucessfull to bring in people and subsequently continue or do you want it to open to mid to low reviews near everyone doesnt like it and it fails to dye on the vine . mind you the creator was so pissed he came out of retirement to fix this .
Dang this is like AnimeAjay but with more reach. I don't think ajay ever covered anything outside of super in this kind of detail. Props.
DBanimators tho
Thank you! Although I do believe he did a breakdown on the original Broly movie which was very well done so although rare he has delved outside of Super! And yes like Crazy Panda said DBanimators has some great videos on Z although I only wish he made more😃 Highly recommend his channel :)
The transformation itself is done very well in the remake but it always seems like that's the main focus of that scene, in the remake. Nothing else, that is to say everything outside of the transformation sequence itself, out does the original animation nor does it enhance the manga in my opinion.
imo, the manga is the best. cant really beat the expressions, and honestly i dont know how they are going to animate that, for example, small detail like white/blank pupils, really adds to the desperations, fear, restlessness, and anger of those characters of goku team. and probably cant really do that because they cant just randomly change the eye color, maybe they could, i dunno, i would like to see that. another is like goku's sweat dropped indicating that he's upset/troubled/worried etc. and pronounced black strokes/lines on gokus eyes. really sells goku's face from being helpless, and getting reaaally angry. i was like "oh shit frieza, you dont wanna do this...dont push it!" when i read it as a kid. but of course i give credit to the OG DBZ and the remake to prolong the scene as the source material is quite short.
No
To be honest the the orginal anime has a better building up of the moment then the manga.
@@-_-Copycat-_- it wasn't meant to be a build up in the manga. It was meant to be a snap
The original for me. The remake looks plastic.
@LD it really does
@King Chance
They love it, but they can't say they love it more. It like a wife to them, but they like what they see.
@@capo_gambino1359 Imagine actually thinking modern dragonball looks plastic because it has more detail.
The tingling in the back was too strong LoL
facts hahaha
Wondering if you could ever compare them to the Ulimate Tenkaichi scenes, they reanimated tons of iconic scenes for that game so would be interesting to see your take on the differences
Yo I love this video. Maybe the best one yet.
The original was🔥
I can never unsee gohans feet under piccolo now..... *sobs
@@jeffsher 6:36
I like the new one
the switching of the hair is my favorite
4:33 🔥🔥🔥🔥 DBZ art direction
Original of course
Bro i will sing praises for the faulkner soundtrack. It made some of those scenes
I will never not see Gohans foot under Piccolo now
I always thought the ball that hits piccolo turning into a beam was part of the attack. Like the instant it hits him it became like a piercing beam that shot through him in both directions. Freeza did have some unique attacks. Or it was a beam the whole time but only became visible after it hit him because of the speed of it since they didn't have much time to react to it.
Ay I have been following the featured artist for a while preety cool to see him
I love your videos! Can you do a breakdown of DB Legends Artstyles and give some more info on the artists?
Imagine if Frieza killed Gohan
idk if he would transform since only reason he went ssj is because krillen died twice so you can't wish him back
with the same dragon balls
Same thing will happen 🤗
To me the original is better if only for one simple reason. The first time seeing Goku snap and go super saiyan was one of the coolest moments from the whole run. With the new one it doesn't have that surprise and cool factor that the original had.
As long as they don't look like plastic im fine with it :)
True
Original is definitely great, but for me they are both quite equal in terms of build-up.
I liked how they changed it so Piccolo took the beam for Goku.
The yell was a fantastic edition.
And the Funi dub Bruce background music enhanced this scene BEYOND belief!
But for the first time one of the ONLY drawbacks is the style choice. Immediately you can see how AWFUL Krillin looks at the start.
The stylish aura was quite amazing to see. The "pwik" moment where it clicks for Goku was really well-done, an actual balance between source material faithfulness and taking liberties.
But what I hate is that new hairstyle that they're using for SSJ. Where it's SO detailed, with the yellows looking gross and saturated yet too dull at the same time?
The original ssj style has ALWAYS been my favorite. Where it's a softer yellow for the brightness, with a sorta orangey-yellow shadow, often being more yellow than orange.
The original will be on-top because the struggle it showed for Goku obtaining the SSJ form. And the fact his eyes go white and then he lets out an EXPLOSIVE yell is just.. 👌. It's what made this scene ICONIC.
Usually filler or changed material isn't as good as the manga. But the fact Akira just breezed through it felt so lackluster when I first read the manga.
For the first time I actually quite enjoy both almost on equal footing. With the original, of course, having an advantage.
The shot turning into a beam is a simple animation decision, to give that emphasis and drama to the scene at hand.
22 years watching DBZ and I never noticed Gohan’s feet in that Piccolo scene
Why is there a video clip of Kim Jon Un at the beginning of the video? lol
Please would you do a review on dragon ball super episode 16 interms of art which was supervised by shuichi iseki
Idk why people hate on the Bruce faulconer soundtrack in my opinion it fit perfectly with the tone of dbz.
@Alex McDonald People still use that as an excuse of it being "bad" when its usage wasnt executed in the best way at times. I disagree with the Ginyu Force theme not fitting at all.
@Alex McDonald Because they are at the end of the day an elite fighting squad of the biggest asshole in the universe. It helps the story when you remind the viewers that a threat is present.
They are a "parody" yet I see them beat the crap out of a Saiyan whose an asshole who we all assumed was a beast, a broke the neck of a child so easily. Plus, they were accompanied by silly music anyway.
I don't agree with his assessment of the music, or the gohan scene, but everything else is spot on!
The original is way better to me. Especially when he finally transforms. Without that, it feels wrong.
take my opinion with a grain of salt, but i feel like goku vs frieza would really shine with keisuke masunaga, what with his fast and furious approach with the dbz fights.
now back to the main video, i like both. when the ssj transformation is in play, i feel like goku's rage is more expressed in the original one, but you cannot deny that the effects on the remake is superb, from the background in piccolo being shot, to the effects when krillin blew up to the seeping yellow aura when the transformation takes place. i also like how the death beam was shown as if it was almost instantaneous and sudden. all in all, i prefer the remake due to the more superb effects, but you can say what you want. i have no right to judge you, and you have no right to judge me.
You should have also compared it with the remade Ultimate Tenkaichi cutscene
Sato brought Toriyama's art to life
as much as i love yuya and i love that guy! i just cant stop fangirling over masaki satos style.
This isn't really Takahashi's art though, Yamamuro corrected him.
Both but for me personally the older one cuz the right we saw that art more after training so ssj was trained to only look like that but also in strength
The reason he did match it too the manga is because the anime and manga are different timelines hence why both goku's are different ages and why the anime and manga have slight and sometimes drastic changes like different dialog, transformation, and how interactions so he was doing a remake of the anime's scene not the manga's version of the scene.
No, English dubbing just decided to change dialogue. They aren't different timelines
@@zelohendricks51 They actually are all the difference are in the JP dub I've watched manga Goku is older and in the Cell arc ya know how in DBZK Vegeta didn't go ssj when going the distraction shot for Gohan and Goku, also the manga showed that Goku was clearly using Astral projection when he touched Gohan's shoulder and then told him to him his combined power and they shot cell into literally space none of that happened in the anime like at in both dubs also in dbs Goku is smarter he also trained and found a way to combine Grade 4 ssj with SSB to make MSSB after the U6 tourment which is stronger than SSBE which is SSB and Super Vegeta combined.
Goku black in the manga also went through SSJ and SSJ2 before Rose and even made a more in depth explanation about rose saying it's different from blue in thar it's just Zamasu's ki interacting with the body rather then SSB which is god and SSJ combined.
Goku in the manga also tells everyone the truth about the T.O.P.
Oh in the DBZ manga Trunks says that Gotenks defused due to the timelimt and the next page is Gohan half way done with the 1hr awakening ritual, also in the manga Goku never shows Goten and Trunks SSJ3 so when they unlock it they think it's a new form.
See different timelines and Toriyama himself even acknowledges them as different timelines/continuities and he and Toyotaro consider the manga the most cannon because they had complete control and the dbs movies use the manga characters because Toriyama writes them and forces the team to follow his movie scripts exactly as written.
So as you can see you have absolutely know idea about what your talking about whereas I who has seen literally everything in dragonball as I do with things I grew up with or really like and several DB TH-camrs can attest to the differences I just listed.
Now Xenoblade X-3 (nice name by the way) you have a goodnight.
While OG has a special place in my heart, I gotta say... the remake is far better paced overall. The original has the usual pacing problems that affected the entire Frieza arc, and the build up is just too long, to the point of being distracting. Particularly the moments between Krilin's death and Goku snapping. You end up screaming to Frieza "Just finish him off already!!". In the remake, on the other hand, the build up lingers just long enough to feel Goku's anger, but without over staying its welcome.
However, the remake lacks Goku's yell. Yes, it's true that's closer to the manga, but the scream was the one addition that elevated the scene and made it even more iconic than it already was. If the remake added the yell while keeping roughly the same pace, then it'd be pretty much the definitive version.
DAMMIT! I can't unsee Gohan's feet under Piccolo now LOL
great
thanks👍
where can i watch the remake
Didn't the video game Ultimate Tenkaichi(i think) also remake the scene? I guess, you didn't mention it cus it was a shot by shot remake of the Anime version?
you should have put the super saiyajin page on the left.
I fucking love Takahashi but I love the original more because of the hair that’s what I see super Sayain one as when The mutation is used for the first time not as the super spiky hair like we see in Super Saiyan Sayain 2 or a little bit of perfected Super Saiyan
The falconer soundtrack is awesome, I don’t get why people hate it
Holy crap man, you should be hired for "Quality Control" by Toei.... Lord knows they need it... 🙄
Nah if I made a mistake then I would get harassed by fans on twitter like the AOT staff lol
@@forgottenrelics1197 Oh yeah man, that's a good point lol.
No because piccolo didn't die he got that wrong
Original will always be the best.
So this is one of the very VERY few times I actually dislike Toriyama's choices on a splash panel. The angle is really interesting (view is Frieza's POV) but Goku's hair looks weird and the line of his body when he's standing also looks a bit forced? Stiff? Posed maybe. While imo the build up is very good in the classic scene, the characters look better in the modern version. Then again, I am a big Yuya Takahashi fan. I'm subbed to his YT channel after all!
ED: Oh yeah, so I never considered the beam a mistake. I look at it as an artistic choice to show the viewer the path the attack took for dramatic effect and that as it reaches the target it speeds up so fast it leaves almost an after image. Compare how in a lot of 80s animation car head lights left a kind of square/blocky after image for dramatic effect.
Both are not good for me i like the later Z Artstyle or the end of Dragonball classic artstyle more.
I don't understand what Toei is waiting for to continue with Dragon ball Super. Masako nozawa won't live forever and this year she will be 86 years old! If we assume that the new series airs this year and lasts at least 3 years, it means that masako will be 89 by then.
Will she still be able to play Goku by then? Japanese fans are not going to accept another voice for the character (neither am I).
nice
Maybe the background is purple or pink depending on time of day :)
That would make sense although it switches back to pink within the same scene before going back to purple, kinda odd🤔
How do you know which frames belong to which animators???
Kazenshuu has the credits for each episode of Z and the entire series in general. Additionally, animators like Sato, Kan'no and Ebisawa have pretty distinguishable styles so there pretty easy to pick up. However, when I'm unsure I'll check out dbanimators website, he has a really good eye and is quite knowledgeable about the series! Highly recommend if you're interested in the animators that worked on Dragon Ball.
dbanimators.altervista.org/dbrewatch-8/?doing_wp_cron=1610955260.1038520336151123046875
@@forgottenrelics1197 Good eyes, then.
I love the remake. I wish they redid the entire series in this style. The original is cool, but we’re in modern times. Things change
6:01 u haven't been the same since you first saw that 😔 ( what's on the TV)
we need remake of kami fuion with piccolo
I think the new one is better animated. My problem with modern dragon ball is how it looks like plastic, and feels unrealistic. Dragon Ball is not a realistic show but to me atleast it feels like its better with less shading