Shida's artwork is more appealing and I think his timing is smoother than Ohara. Every time I see Ohara on the screen it reminds me of Uchiyama but just more dynamic and polished.
Ohara crossed the line in 17/Piccolo fight for me. I hate quoting TFS but those gut punches are looney tunes. It's so over the top even for DBZ it takes me right out of the scene.
Shida's drawings had more impact in his old work on Z and dragonball. His timing was so different. In Super his work is on 1s and this sometimes makes it feel floaty and weightless.
8:47 I'm noticing a pattern where Shida would draw the overall character shape in a semi circle with their attacking arm being closer to the screen. Very similar to the cut her did in the Goku Black arc where Goku Black was spamming ki blasts at Goku and Trunks.
I don’t know how to explain but. Shida’s work feels like a circle, and Ohara’s feels like a triangle. They are different shapes and offer different things. I love the flow and smoothness of Shida’s work, at the same time I also love how punchy and impactful Ohara’s work feels.
1:00 😂😂, I noticed O'Hara for being in the OG series I think Shida had better animation but O'Hara has getter Impact if thag makes sense... another Fantastic video 🔥🔥
@@specialnewb9821 yes its beautiful, and the blonde hair, ya I love every seen, especially the ssj goku one on namek, his hair flowed so beautifully, kakarot is a very beautiful game
Ohara is pretty great, I like Shida's older work more as his newer work stands out too much for me from the motion to some of the way he does his art/lines. I really love Ohara's Majin Vegeta art, the hair motion and some of his Goku stuff, the perspectives and facial expressions feel very solid and nicely detailed. Shida's old work is amazing
Also @ForgottenRelics next could you do a analysis on the promo for the new DBS movie? I think it would be really cool if you compared that teaser and the dbs Broly teaser.
Can you like a breakdown or analysis of the animators and their styles who work at each specific studio on Dragon Ball/Z like those at Studio Cockpit, Studio Seigasha, or Studio Last House? Like those studios each have a collective animation style as a whole or do each animator working there have a style of their own?
Thanks! And yeah I might make a video on it although still undecided. However AnimeAjay did a great video on it recently, recommend checking that out if you want to know more about it in the meantime :)
So masunga I'm with u there There's just something about that ssj2 goku vs kid buu fight that's visual appealing Especially when he was powering up in the beginning
Watching Studio Last House episodes was confusing to me b/c the three animators from that team drew similar character models. I knew there were some frames that look better than others, but I thought they were drawn by the same animator. Now my eyes can spot the differences easier now. To break it down simply to strictly art work style. Ohara is two steps above Uchiyama and Shida is two steps above Ohara. Shida is tier 3, Ohara is tier 2 and Uchiyama is tier 1. When it comes to animation I'll take Shida even though Ohara is a good animator as well. Uchiyama is a decent animator too, but his art work lacks key details and is below average looking too often.
@@forgottenrelics1197 Can you do a animation breakdown of Goku training in space for Planet Namek? The footage is shown at the 8:00 of the video. The animation in that scene great.
This makes me curious as to how artists’ styles are influenced by the peers they work with and the people who supervise them. Like how Ohara or shida would have turned out had they been working for studio junio or seigasha
you know seeing this channel really does highlight why the dragon ball haters annoy me "buff guys standing around and screaming" "dragon fights are bland and not as good as this trash I watch" this channel is active proof of how good shots and animation in dragon ball can get alongside fight choreography I genuinely wish your channel got bigger since it would help change this mindset from the people how only saw dragon ball as 8-year-olds once and never again.
Shida definitely stood out the best of the two, Ohara never really delivered and you could tell when an episode would get really good based on the style of artwork. Majin Vegeta Vs Goku for instance, one sequence was stellar animation while the rest looked subpar. Most of the was Oharas work.
Also, why does Uchimaya always have to heavily correct others art that turn out (usually) for the worst? Those uncorrected Gengas were really impressive and stunning.
In my personal opinion, I think Ohara has a lot of potential. if he worked on Dragon Super and on One Piece, he would have most likely improved as an animator and artist.
O'Hara is just the opposite of Uchiyama. More polished artwork. Shidas work is smoother and always has been and It's always on model and so cool to watch timing is perfect. I'd say Shida has better artwork but their animation in the Namek saga basically on an even level. But afterwards Shida was better. Though I still love Ohara
Did Ohara did the Key animation of Jiren vs SSB Goku when they were clashing fist through out the tournament vanishing and then they reach the sky did a bit of combat and then Jiren punched Goku in the Gut in episode 109?
Ohara has good impact as you said, but I HATE how he drew the characters. Weird, lumpy muscles, the way the arms or legs were posed looked awkward. Elongated or crooked faces(look at Super Vegeta vs semi perfect cell), and really triangular, pointy feet. Every time I see his work, I always get really irritated and wished that corrections were made so those episodes looked better.
It was a little disappointing, part of me was still holding out that it would be a 2d film lol. However the model for Goku itself looked quite nice so that's a positive. Overall I'm still interested in the film but I'm certainly not as excited with this new approach.
@@forgottenrelics1197 Thanks, I hope it turns out to be something you can enjoy. I think Japan has made some great strides in their ability to do cgi compared to even 5 years ago. Leaving aside my opinions on Shintani which you already know, lol, I really like the subtle feeling of depth in colors and shading particularly of the clothes. I am not quite so hot on the animation itself. I know it's probably an attempt to make it look more like traditional but it looks a little jerky, like it's missing frames. ED: Teaser on the official movie site looks smoother. 2022dbs.com/
I'm a little tired of all the Shida praise. Yes, the man is amazing, his artwork is very polished and the movement is fast and smooth... but nowadays Shida is pretty much a living meme, always recycling the same tricks (snaking beams, shaking heads, stacks of i frames) over and over again, across multiple shows. That's not bad per se, but it generates a trend where fans overlook other skilled animators because 'they are not Shida', as they are not as recognizable. It's infuriating to see people watch amazing scenes from the past, like Shimanuki's beam stuggle, and say 'Shida would have done it better.' P.s. bad english, already know that.
I created this video simply because Ohara doesn't get enough praise and I thought it would be a fun comparison between two of the top animators from studio Last House, that's all.
@@forgottenrelics1197 oh no, you misunderstood! My bad, I was not referring to you or your video, in any way or form. This was just a thought brought by the type of comments I use to read under many sakuga videos. Shida is overexposed. For a reason, sure. But he's not the end-all be-all of animation, and I think you can agree with this statement.
I despise the snaking beams. He didn't do that in Z, but just spams it in Super. It takes away from the power of the energy blasts in my opinion. Not to mention his camera work currently. I definitely prefer how he animated in Z than Super.
i really don't like naotoshi shida's animation. there's a lot of "spectacle" behind his animation but it doesn't usually carry any weight and things that should feel really huge, don't.
Man, this is the reason why I hate super, too much ATATATATATA animation if you know what I mean. The OG dragonball had even many amount of martial art moves than super. They need to rehire these animators and pay them a minimum, they are both good.
Both Ohara and Shida worked on super lol. His scenes in partciular were massively popular. www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/30016 www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/47784
@@forgottenrelics1197 yes, I know, as I watched your content, I just learned from it lol. But still, I want more of this kind of animation of Shida in super rather than "ATATATATATA". Anyways thanks for the info.
SHUT UP,PEOPLE JUST NEED TO SHUT THEIR MOUTH SUPER IS GOOD! AND WE CAN ALL ENJOY IT! Stop being nostalgic,i still prefer the Old AS,also whats the hate on super especially with shida,yes its distinct from anyother animator but if you say it looks bad or worse than Z,then you are out of your mind know the difference b/w Artstyle and Animation! Z>super >Db > Gt!
Shida's artwork is more appealing and I think his timing is smoother than Ohara. Every time I see Ohara on the screen it reminds me of Uchiyama but just more dynamic and polished.
Ohara crossed the line in 17/Piccolo fight for me. I hate quoting TFS but those gut punches are looney tunes. It's so over the top even for DBZ it takes me right out of the scene.
Ohara is the scaled up version of Uchiyama. Shida is the scaled up version of Ohara.
@@specialnewb9821 Dragonball has done wonky shit before so don't act surprised.
Nope keisuke Masunaga is the best.
I really dont like Ohara's art style because it resembles Uchiyamas
I do like his animation but not his character designs
Honestly I think they’re both really good animators but I lean more towards Shida honestly
Shida's drawings had more impact in his old work on Z and dragonball. His timing was so different. In Super his work is on 1s and this sometimes makes it feel floaty and weightless.
Nope keisuke is the goat
He overanimates a lot as well, his works always remind me of that infamous part of the Pain Naruto fight
Mystic Gohan punching Super Buu was God tier impact
8:47 I'm noticing a pattern where Shida would draw the overall character shape in a semi circle with their attacking arm being closer to the screen. Very similar to the cut her did in the Goku Black arc where Goku Black was spamming ki blasts at Goku and Trunks.
Underrated youtuber!
Honestly the only Dragon Ball youtuber I actually watch still
Wow thank you! Glad you're enjoying the content. Funny enough I watch barely any db related content either haha
I don’t know how to explain but. Shida’s work feels like a circle, and Ohara’s feels like a triangle. They are different shapes and offer different things. I love the flow and smoothness of Shida’s work, at the same time I also love how punchy and impactful Ohara’s work feels.
1:00 😂😂, I noticed O'Hara for being in the OG series
I think Shida had better animation but O'Hara has getter Impact if thag makes sense... another Fantastic video 🔥🔥
haha thanks!
Are you going to talk about “dragon ball z Kakarot” animation because I think that would make a good video, you can talk about most of the Cut scenes.
Idk, I bought the game but I still haven't got around to playing it lol
@@IIIISai Vegetto v. Super Buu has some really good movement too
@@specialnewb9821 yes its beautiful, and the blonde hair, ya I love every seen, especially the ssj goku one on namek, his hair flowed so beautifully, kakarot is a very beautiful game
I hate its not a QTE segment
Ohara is pretty great, I like Shida's older work more as his newer work stands out too much for me from the motion to some of the way he does his art/lines. I really love Ohara's Majin Vegeta art, the hair motion and some of his Goku stuff, the perspectives and facial expressions feel very solid and nicely detailed. Shida's old work is amazing
I personally like ohara's skin shading, if shida and him worked together in a dbs episode, it would be perfect.
Yeah imagine that...
I mean they were both on the Special but Ohara was on 109 and Shida was at the very tail end of 110
@@El_Mince bit too late friend, also ohara's animation didnt stand out well today or ever will imo, but who knows :/
@@turbo-vi2hh Sorry I just had to respond
Shida is like ohara, just with better art
Also @ForgottenRelics next could you do a analysis on the promo for the new DBS movie? I think it would be really cool if you compared that teaser and the dbs Broly teaser.
I personally feel that they will correct most of the animation when the trailer or movie comes out.
Can you like a breakdown or analysis of the animators and their styles who work at each specific studio on Dragon Ball/Z like those at Studio Cockpit, Studio Seigasha, or Studio Last House? Like those studios each have a collective animation style as a whole or do each animator working there have a style of their own?
Thanks for something interesting to watch before I call it a night! Zzz
No problem!
thank you
No problem
Excellent video! Hoping to see a video from you about the new animation and what you think about it
Great video as always! I would also like to see your opinion on the new dragon ball trailer!
Will you do analysis videos on manga chapters sooner or later?
Probably not, those videos didn't do that great and I still haven't finished the moro arc lol
Ohara is skilful but he has a knack for making characters look like they are from the Simpsons
6:42 the correction here is such a shame!!
It is, the extra expressivity would've really elevated the scene. Unfortunately there are stacks of examples like this 😬
SOOOOOO GOOOD, BANGER VIDEO! SO INTERESTING!
We need a video about the teaser of the new dragon ball super movie, cgi and dragon ball don't match. btw awesome video as always
Thanks! And yeah I might make a video on it although still undecided. However AnimeAjay did a great video on it recently, recommend checking that out if you want to know more about it in the meantime :)
Respect for both, I also agree to Shida, very cool
Shida will always remain King.
Whoever Drew Buu Saga in the Beggining of the Fight of Kid Buu I like him the Most
So masunga
I'm with u there
There's just something about that ssj2 goku vs kid buu fight that's visual appealing
Especially when he was powering up in the beginning
Watching Studio Last House episodes was confusing to me b/c the three animators from that team drew similar character models. I knew there were some frames that look better than others, but I thought they were drawn by the same animator. Now my eyes can spot the differences easier now. To break it down simply to strictly art work style. Ohara is two steps above Uchiyama and Shida is two steps above Ohara. Shida is tier 3, Ohara is tier 2 and Uchiyama is tier 1. When it comes to animation I'll take Shida even though Ohara is a good animator as well. Uchiyama is a decent animator too, but his art work lacks key details and is below average looking too often.
Yeah it's pretty easy to arrive at that conclusion considering how heavy he was with corrections.
@@forgottenrelics1197 Can you do a animation breakdown of Goku training in space for Planet Namek? The footage is shown at the 8:00 of the video. The animation in that scene great.
This makes me curious as to how artists’ styles are influenced by the peers they work with and the people who supervise them. Like how Ohara or shida would have turned out had they been working for studio junio or seigasha
Ohara, that surname seriously seems like well respected in japan (or in Japanese history)
Ohara is so underrated
you know seeing this channel really does highlight why the dragon ball haters annoy me "buff guys standing around and screaming" "dragon fights are bland and not as good as this trash I watch" this channel is active proof of how good shots and animation in dragon ball can get alongside fight choreography I genuinely wish your channel got bigger since it would help change this mindset from the people how only saw dragon ball as 8-year-olds once and never again.
First and great video didn't think you'd put a video this late.
Yeah it took like an extra hour to upload then usual aswell as export. Although in my timezone it's only 1:30 pm haha
@@forgottenrelics1197 oh for me its 10 : 32
Isn't ohara the villain from the lorax?
bruh 😭😭
*me awake at 5am*
You at like a reasonable time prolly:
Shida definitely stood out the best of the two, Ohara never really delivered and you could tell when an episode would get really good based on the style of artwork. Majin Vegeta Vs Goku for instance, one sequence was stellar animation while the rest looked subpar. Most of the was Oharas work.
Where is the scene in 2:47 from? It looks amazing!
It's from Dragon Ball Z movie 13 :)
I get Masayuki Uchiyama's work, mixed up with Tai'ichirō Ohara lol
Also, why does Uchimaya always have to heavily correct others art that turn out (usually) for the worst? Those uncorrected Gengas were really impressive and stunning.
Most likely to create a consistent look visually through an episode, regardless it's usually unnecessary and most times a downgrade.
Nice video, Ohara is definitely underrated. Perhaps if he worked under a supervisor with more appealing corrections, he’d be better known.
In my personal opinion, I think Ohara has a lot of potential. if he worked on Dragon Super and on One Piece, he would have most likely improved as an animator and artist.
O'Hara is just the opposite of Uchiyama. More polished artwork. Shidas work is smoother and always has been and It's always on model and so cool to watch timing is perfect. I'd say Shida has better artwork but their animation in the Namek saga basically on an even level. But afterwards Shida was better. Though I still love Ohara
I didn't know it was the same Shida that worked on Super...damn!!!
I consider ma self early
It's strange that in the episodes their art was worse than it was in the movie clips.
They must have had their work drawn over or something.
So basically it was Ohara who did key animation and Uchiyama just corrected or did his artstyle.
I wish he could have his old art style but with his modern animation style
Did Ohara did the Key animation of Jiren vs SSB Goku when they were clashing fist through out the tournament vanishing and then they reach the sky did a bit of combat and then Jiren punched Goku in the Gut in episode 109?
He animated some of their first fight. I’m almost positive he animated a few shots of super Saiyan and super Saiyan 2 Goku vs jiren
8:52 What series is this tiger man character part of?
Ohara has good impact as you said, but I HATE how he drew the characters. Weird, lumpy muscles, the way the arms or legs were posed looked awkward. Elongated or crooked faces(look at Super Vegeta vs semi perfect cell), and really triangular, pointy feet. Every time I see his work, I always get really irritated and wished that corrections were made so those episodes looked better.
Ironically, a lot of those bad scenes were because of Uchiyama's corrections
Have you ever done a Toriyama episode?
6:45 7:23 At this part I hate that uchiyama corrected this part.
@ForgottenRelics Do you think Shida will be working on the new movie?
Doubtful unfortunately
My wish is natoshi shida vs yuya takahashi
Keisuke Masunaga is the best art style in dbz
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Any comments on the movie teaser, or not enough visuals to say anything?
It was a little disappointing, part of me was still holding out that it would be a 2d film lol. However the model for Goku itself looked quite nice so that's a positive. Overall I'm still interested in the film but I'm certainly not as excited with this new approach.
@@forgottenrelics1197 Thanks, I hope it turns out to be something you can enjoy. I think Japan has made some great strides in their ability to do cgi compared to even 5 years ago.
Leaving aside my opinions on Shintani which you already know, lol, I really like the subtle feeling of depth in colors and shading particularly of the clothes.
I am not quite so hot on the animation itself. I know it's probably an attempt to make it look more like traditional but it looks a little jerky, like it's missing frames.
ED: Teaser on the official movie site looks smoother.
2022dbs.com/
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Do you think supers animation/artstyle would’ve been a lot better if they had more time. Also, do you think super has better animation then Z?
For sure :)
I wish Shidas timing and camera work in Super were like they were in Dragonball....I just can't like it with all that camera movement.
ohara did the animation of goku running to fight number 19??? duuude i love that animation, thanks for telling us who did it
Yep he's behind a lot of great moments! And no problem :)
Shida is better
5:02 amongus
pain
@@forgottenrelics1197 loved the video and the sus made it even better B)
What was Ohara's work in Super?
He did a short cut between Toppo and Goku aswell as some other short fights. He contributed key animation in total for 8 episodes.
@@forgottenrelics1197 I had no idea, cool!
I’m gonna be honest I feel like Ohara would be as good as shida if he left studio live and wasn’t following the art style of uchiyama
Last house not live
@@rukminikannan9779 oof thought I said last house my bad XD
In my opinion, Shida is one or two steps ahead
If Ohara left Last House, he will be joining Studio Cockpit because his shading and his drawing fits well with Masunaga's standards.
that scene where Goku kneed cooler convinced me that whoever made it, is the worst animator of all time.
I'm a little tired of all the Shida praise. Yes, the man is amazing, his artwork is very polished and the movement is fast and smooth... but nowadays Shida is pretty much a living meme, always recycling the same tricks (snaking beams, shaking heads, stacks of i frames) over and over again, across multiple shows. That's not bad per se, but it generates a trend where fans overlook other skilled animators because 'they are not Shida', as they are not as recognizable. It's infuriating to see people watch amazing scenes from the past, like Shimanuki's beam stuggle, and say 'Shida would have done it better.'
P.s. bad english, already know that.
I created this video simply because Ohara doesn't get enough praise and I thought it would be a fun comparison between two of the top animators from studio Last House, that's all.
@@forgottenrelics1197 oh no, you misunderstood! My bad, I was not referring to you or your video, in any way or form. This was just a thought brought by the type of comments I use to read under many sakuga videos.
Shida is overexposed. For a reason, sure. But he's not the end-all be-all of animation, and I think you can agree with this statement.
I agree with you Shida is getting overpraised. People need to watch other animators who also did a Good Job in Dragon Ball.
I despise the snaking beams. He didn't do that in Z, but just spams it in Super. It takes away from the power of the energy blasts in my opinion. Not to mention his camera work currently. I definitely prefer how he animated in Z than Super.
@@sashamaiuolo1357 watch hisadas work
i really don't like naotoshi shida's animation. there's a lot of "spectacle" behind his animation but it doesn't usually carry any weight and things that should feel really huge, don't.
not great after hearing about the shit of the new movie coming out. this has ruin a legacy of a great anime. cgi doesnt work for db
Uchiyama was just the worst
Man, this is the reason why I hate super, too much ATATATATATA animation if you know what I mean. The OG dragonball had even many amount of martial art moves than super. They need to rehire these animators and pay them a minimum, they are both good.
Both Ohara and Shida worked on super lol. His scenes in partciular were massively popular.
www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/30016
www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/47784
@@forgottenrelics1197 yes, I know, as I watched your content, I just learned from it lol. But still, I want more of this kind of animation of Shida in super rather than "ATATATATATA".
Anyways thanks for the info.
agreed Dragon Ball need more adventure parts instead of just fighting. which is why I like fillers sometimes such as Gohan filler in Super.
@@Waqas_Khan02 That was tried with GT and people hated it.
SHUT UP,PEOPLE JUST NEED TO SHUT THEIR MOUTH SUPER IS GOOD! AND WE CAN ALL ENJOY IT! Stop being nostalgic,i still prefer the Old AS,also whats the hate on super especially with shida,yes its distinct from anyother animator but if you say it looks bad or worse than Z,then you are out of your mind know the difference b/w Artstyle and Animation! Z>super >Db > Gt!
Ohara’s art and animation is generally terrible. It looks so stiff and off model.
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shida is better