Can LSV Take Over Legacy with Orc and Taxes?
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Orcish Bowmasters is breaking Legacy, and LSV's seeing just how far it can go in a new Death and Taxes list!
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Hey LSV, round 3 opponent (Painter) here! Good games, my keep in game 3 definitely felt ambitious (especially knowing wasteland was a possibility) but it's reassuring to hear you evaluate the hand as fairly strong. I feel very fortunate being able to see how this played out from the other side and definitely learned a thing or two. Pleasure playing you and looking forward to potential rematch(es) down the line.
GGs! close games for sure, and I totally would have kept that hand in your shoes
Karakas, Orc, hand disruption, aggressive white cards?
What is this, a LSV team vintage cube draft? ❤
LSV playing these grindy decks is a great Magic lesson in and of itself.
He's a pleasure to watch.
@53:48 Why not just vial in the Solitude on their turn and then Yorion on your turn? Deals with both Masters in a Counterspell-immune way.
Legacy is great at the moment!
I guess Lorien Revealed doesn't beat Yorion revealed
A question I have: in m1 g2, wouldnt there have been a moment before the lorien revealed got cast to yorion and flicker the kaldra compleat for the living weapon trigger to pop again?
Also would have gotten a Stoneforge trigger
ik you literally mentioned it, but shouldn't you be better off with evoking 2nd solitude at 25:30? don't know if they could deal with 4th creature
Why risk it? Why exile a card from your hand? He already enough threats in play that it was either boardwipe, double removal spell and/or die to there own ring.
Is there a reason this list doesn’t seasoned dungeoneer? Just doesn’t fit with the disruption plan? I feel like the clock and flicker synergy would work and it’s just a really good card too
I was just coming here to say the same thing. Even without any relevant creature types, it just seems great
Initiative is dangerous to drop against delver/murktide/storyteller, and DnT is already quite good at grinding. Seasoned Dungeoneer also isn't tutorable. Passageway Seer and Trailblazer's torch are tutorable, but xJCloud (whose list LSV is playing) tested them and cut them with the conclusion they could become good options later. He wrote an entire article about this on minmaxblog.
@@kleinapple4201 thanks for the insight! That makes a lot of sense, yorion is already such inevitability I can def see how initiative isn’t needed
that game 1 :D
woulda been pretty sick in r1 before they timed out if they flashed in exarch, untapped a land and jammed a twin with t3 in play.
Nice Orzhov Stoneblade deck
👍
The Slack notifications were so triggering haha
Like 2 min in for the greedy 1-land keep 😮
It's Halfling Price Taxes
Around 20 minutes in you debate the usefulness of casting solitude vs vial and the next turns you pass without using your mana, is there any particular reason yorion is bad here? It seems decent to flicker stoneforge and kaldra even vs karakas and verdict but maybe I'm just missing something
who need to cast spells, let your opp lose life on its own and gg i guess xD
Matches like that first one are I why I wish it was feasible to implement something like a chess clock in paper magic. It will never happen, but a guy can dream. If a match goes long, the onus to close a game and win should be on the person who is taking more time.
This version seems worse than monowhite. Bowmaster is strong, but the wasteland proof mana base and the rishadan ports are more important. Moreover, I am not sold that 80 cards is better than 60. This deck needs to vial on turn 1, and to draw its combo/graveyard hate on turn zero. More important than having yorion on turn 8, when it may often be a win-more, as this deck already has a great late game.
80 cards is absolutely the better version. There's a few great articles written by top performers of the deck that explain why better than I could in a TH-cam comment. I'm sure you could find them easily if you searched for it.
Yorion decks are so inconsistent cause their size I definitively would love to see a 60 version of this deck
As long as Yorion is legal, it’s suboptimal to play 60 card Taxes. I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve played a Yorion deck and thought 80 was inconsistent - that’s just Magic variance at play.
There are so many ETB effects in this deck that having Yorion to flicker them more than makes up for that disadvantage.
It was only a matter of time until Legacy became yet another format where decks were just piles of bland, recently printed cards that are clearly worth more than 1 card of value but which don't really do anything interesting, and every game is just grinding it out.
Anyone remember when the creatures were really old because WotC would never print something as efficient as Nimble Mongoose or Wild Nacatl or Goyf today?
> piles of recently printed cards
> something like 23 cards in the 80 card deck were first printed in the last 10 years
hmmmm
also, no? what era of legacy would that even be. Nacatl was 2 years old when we got delver, delver was less than that when we got deathrite, then peezy, then not too long til mentor and tarkir delve creatures, etc. Good creatures have come into legacy at a pretty steady pace for a very long time
Nothing harshes my boner like the phrase, “they cast the second The One Ring.”